/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>29705305
>That means either Marine has the power to just do whatever she wants
No shit, she's one of their highest earners and a veteran of black company work
She knows her worth and they can't bully her down like they did Haachama

how can one woman be so based

>>29705431
You say that, but didn't Coco leave because she didn't get to do whatever she wanted? And she was THE top earner. So, yeah, I don't think that means much.

>>29705530
If you believe rrats they didn't like her because half american.

you can blame Vshojo for brining literal chatube whores in the industry. a few years ago Cover didn't have to micromanage every collab. I miss holomens collabing with indies on the regular.

>>29705530
weak woman pls understand
marine is strong woman, coco weak

>>29705305
I hope corporate sponsorships never pan out so the girl's powerlevels stops getting gimped and they can finally have fun while the suits tear their hair out.

>>29705530
Coco was looking for any excuse to go solo
She hasn't done anything new or original in the year she left Cover

>>29705530
Marine is smarter than Coco and better at bartering.

>>29705305
What would Cover even be able to do about it when Marine paid for the video herself?

>>29705676
She barters with her body

So Cover has more talent freedom than Nijisanj. Ok got it.

>>29705530
highest in superchats =/= highest earner.

>>29705530
Don't the talents have to pay for most, if not all, of their content themselves?
Maybe CoSon was only interested in the money and bailed when she was at her peak?

>>29705530
That's what Coco implied. But unless Cover were stopping her making takoyaki and building gunpla I have no idea what she was so passionate about she decided to quit. Maybe it was just a buildup of small things that eventually turned her sour.

>>29705305
>it's pretty safe to say that most of the talents on both sides are unityfags
This is known.

>>29705759
Its weird that Anykara is going back to being black company tier ever since they went public.

>>29705836
Coco kept crossing the line constantly, to the extent where she basically had to ask for permission to breathe since she proved to management that her own judgement couldn't be relied upon. Neither side were really in the wrong, she was just a vshoujo shaped peg in a hololive shaped hole.

>>29705530
Has kson even done anything since leaving since leaving that she couldn't have while maintaining Coco + kson?
It doesn't really seem like she did anything novel except join Vshojo as competition. Isn't that the only thing she's done that she couldn't have done with "Coco" being active?

>>29705530
There is no contradiction here. They were restrictive with Coco and then she left and they lost all that money, now they aren't going to make the same mistake twice so they give the other girls more leeway now.

>>29705908
Everytime a company goes public they turned to shit, no exception

I assume it's Toko specifically who can't sing that, since someone like Gundou can be very explicit and detailed with sexual stuff

>>29705305
>1. If I'm understanding this correctly, it's pretty safe to say that most of the talents on both sides are unityfags
This has always been the case you stupid fucking newfaggots even before this dogshit board was created.

>>29705530
>THE top earner
>metric is SCs

>>29705759
What? No, if anything Senchou is implying it's the same but she doesn't give a fuck and does what she wants

>>29705305
It's because most of the girls are absolute pushovers with no self-worth and the higher ups work hard to keep the mantra that way. You can hear how they sing the highest praises that they're allowed to still remain in the company when in reality it's them carrying all the leeching suits in the company. Marine is one of the very few that dares to go tooth and nails against the higher ups to push through what she wants and I wish more of the holomems would put the shitters in their place.


Also tribalfagging is retarded. Always was and always will be, literally the same as console wars from 7th graders.

>>29705305
Retard, the talents were always unityfags. https://youtu.be/D9699zGTOBk

>>29705913
I get it. I'm just bitter she left instead of moving some of those projects to her own channel. It's even weirder when she's had roommates of hololive talent on her stream.

>>29705305
Cover needs to loosen up. Sexualized content isn't as controversial as they think. Maybe with this, they'll start to ease up on it and Mel/Choco can get popular again.

>>29705305
>1. If I'm understanding this correctly, it's pretty safe to say that most of the talents on both sides are unityfags. It's pretty much just the corps and fans that are at war.
Always have been

>>29705908
> Expecting copro to prioritize livers over shareholders after going public
Roru, Rorumaro

Nijibegger/leech thread

>>29706007
I thought so too because Toko's image is really clean and almost can't be connected to anything lewdthat won't stop me from lewding the cerberus though, but you just know how tribalfags will twist it

>>29705699
refuse to publish it/officially endorse it.

>>29705699
They own the Marine character, so at the end of the day anything done with that character is their call.

>>29705530
Coco mysteriously stopped having sponsorships after the yab, and somehow managed to get them on her own as an indie after she left. She was forced into a position in which she had to leave. The shit about creative freedom or whatever is an excuse, her content since leaving is exactly the same as before minus the gunpla.

>>29705305
Why do all the hologirls have sidebangs now?

>>29705305
NijiJP good, nijien bad

>>29705759
Do you even watch the clip?

>>29706667
>Toko's image is really clean
Lmao? She's quite notorious for being a leech over there. I remember she was buddies with Gibara but abandoned her when the latter got ostracised by the clique. She then went on to latch herself back to Lize and Ange and then Suisei while ignoring Hero/Chigusa.

>>29705305
>yagoo: Marine-chan, i don't know about this song and video, might be too lewd, how about we brainstorm something el....
>Marine: Ill let you fuck me, we can go to that love hotel you like.
>yagoo: .....Ill get the song approved this afternoon

>>29706365
I think it's more on YT not allowing sexualized anime contents

>>29705530
Because Coco is a foreigner.

>>29706791
>>29706175
Cope. They still let her and then they caved into the Holosummer demands.

>>29705305
> has the power to just do whatever she wants

That's hot asf
Fuck cover management

>>29705431
What did they do to Haachama?

>>29706914
You can rrat absolutely anyone into a leech, it's the most meaningless accusation you can throw at a vtuber.

Ryuushen sung Ahoy and some of Suisei's song just fine a couple week ago.

>>29705305
Most of the main players in the JP vtuber scene have known each other longer than these companies have even existed. Of course they aren't at war.

>>29705305
That song reminds me of those american artists who can only sing about sex and genitals. I don't think many japanese vtubers would be interested in singing it themselves unless they are as slutty as marine.

>>29705699
They've fucked her over before on stuff she's paid for. They're not above it. I think the threat of the girls going indie has loosened the reigns. You see it with Haachama too.

>>29707358
nothing

>>29705965
>>29706302
A lot of people on this board don't realize how much stupid shit happens behind the scenes at Cover. They need to get permission for everything. Managers micromanage their entire lives. They have retarded pointless meetings constantly. They have old retards breathing down their necks every stream and they bitch at them (aka "bonking") after stream if they did something not advertiser friendly. And then there's constant off-stream work, vocal and mocap recordings and dancing/singing lessons and who knows what else. Bitches are getting fucked up vocal chords even though you only see them talking for a couple hours every day.

None of that shit was around when Coco applied in 2019. There were no permissions, spontaneous collabs were allowed, management was very hands-off other than having some basic restrictions. You could just stream pretty much whatever you wanted whenever you wanted. That is the environment that Coco signed up for. She just wanted to create funny videos, make friends, and play video games. And then over a year and a half her dream job turned into a corporate nightmare, and all the fun was sucked out of streaming.

That's what Coco meant when she said her and Cover had were going in different directions, that they had creative differences, and that Coco wanted to leave so she could smile. Cover is a corporation that puts making money first, while Coco just wanted to have fun. So she left, and now once again she can stream whatever she wants whenever with whoever without filing paperwork and sucking her bosses dick first.

>>29706365
Cover doesn’t give a shit about sexual content, it’s because YouTube kept banning Holos which is why Erolive died.

>>29708001
You still need to have permission from the company that made a video game to stream it in Japan, or use anything someone else created, that at least isn't a Cover thing. Fair use does not exist in Nihon, the only reason parody doujinshis even exist there is because the companies themselves choose not to pursue the individuals that do them, because those artists will probably be part of the system someday.

>>29708058
youtube doesn't seem to care about this though?

>>29708001
>Cover is a corporation that puts making money first

Its more like they care about their idol agency image mroe than anything. You gotta remember they literally gave up on their entire chinese branch and the chinese market in general for coco.

>>29708001
1. The permissions. The reason permission autism is a thing now is because a couple of holomems literally nearly had their careers ended because of Japanese copyright issues. They aren't anal about it for no reason, it's because it literally nearly ruined the company.

2. "Pointless meetings" we literally cannot say they are pointless without knowing what the meetings are for, anon.

3. "They have old retards breathing down their necks every stream and they bitch at them" you're right on this one.

4. "constant off-stream work, vocal and mocap recordings and dancing/singing lessons and who knows what else" Anon, this is normal for singers. This is the difference between them and other companies, is they're trying to achieve mainstream success in Japan through their music, hence having to practice like an actual musician.

>>29708001
You know, voices in your head telling you things, is a disorder. Even if, it was true, whos fault would that be? lmao

>>29708001
Boohoo I have to stream shitty games and record music every now and then . Fuck off dude even call center agents put up with more bullshit and use their voice more than these cunts . The permission things sucks but it’s a trade off , anything else is just bitching

>>29708001
there's no point anon, most newfags are worshiping Yagoo, and don;t even know how hololive worked in 2019-2020,
all they know is the reality they are forced to live now, cause all the shit you mentioned is the baseline for them

>>29708327
>they literally gave up on their entire chinese branch and the chinese market in general for coco.
They lost it the moment the yab happened. They just tried to cut their losses early but there was no way for them to re obtain the chinese market after that.

>>29708317
Until they do, like always. Theres many channels doing tos breaking shit, that only gets banned after months.

>>29708748
Retard, read the replies. Also Niji is the only black company among those 2.

>>29708001
So basically Kson was a lady bitch and didn’t want to put effort. Now the fat rolls she has gained make sense.

>>29705305
>1. If I'm understanding this correctly, it's pretty safe to say that most of the talents on both sides are unityfags. It's pretty much just the corps and fans that are at war.
You spend FAR to much time in this shithole if you just now realized this.
>>29708903
Shut the fuck up retard, you have no idea what a black company is and neither Cover nor Niji fit the bill as of yet.

literally 33 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/makaino_sub/status/1553785714802065408

I think it's pretty clear that Nijisanji, for whatever reasons, doesn't want certain things to happen between Holos and Niji. Even though in the past it seemed like they collabed a lot, they're the ones blocking Niji EN and Holo EN collabs and not letting Toko sing Marine's song.

>>29708001
Nice narrative you push there, tatsunocuck. Too bad you made it all up.

Dumbest post in this dumb thread.

>>29709225
You dont know about niji then :)

>>29709366
You can always count on Lack Family

>>29709366
oh wow saying a song is good on a sub account is totally the same as making a cover

>>29707528
The problem is Marine's newest orisong is really lewd, both the MV and lyrics. Ahoy can't hold a candle to it in terms of lewdness

>>29705305
>It's pretty much just the corps and fans that are at war
So Niji/Holofags are corpo bootlickers that don't actually care about the girls?

Calling people clipfags is an insult, especially with translated clips. But many anons in this thread aren't even willing to watch a fucking clip and just make shit up...

>>29709841
Its probably more about their perception of the other company and that they are not "worthy" of interacting with their side.

>>29705305

>>29705305
>Marine asked Toko to sing it, and Toko told her that if she did Nijisanji would get angry.
God, just imagine if she agreed on it. I am getting hard just from thinking about it.

>>29708286
Like literally 99% of Japanese game publishers give out blanket permission for everyone to stream their game as long as it isn't monetized by a corporation. Permission autism aside from like Atlus games isn't a thing if you aren't in Hololive/Nijisanji/whatever.
>>29708327
>You gotta remember they literally gave up on their entire chinese branch and the chinese market in general for coco.
That was the correct business decision. Regaining the trust of the chinamen would require them to fire Coco, Haachama, and Yagoo, and doing that would irreparably damage the company in every market outside of China. They lost those chinagacha sponsorships but HoloEN was like a month old and Gura had more subs than the entirety of HoloCN combined. Cover bet on the winning horse.
>>29708555
>>29708623
>>29709040
>>29709486
I am sorry that you were personally insulted by me telling you why Coco quit. Consider taking meds.

>>29705530
she got bullied out of the company by chinks. imagine still buying the cover (lol) story about freedom.

>>29708317
You forgot about Banpire and Choco sensei's losing her monetization?

>>29710204
>me telling you why Coco quit
Where? Your fanfic doesn't count.

>>29706667
huh so Nijisanji force their livers to fit a "role"?
this is a new rrat

>>29710204
They're bootlicking sea tards. No reasoning with them.

>>29708317
> youtube bans are inconsistent
thanks captain obvious

>>29709040
Oh she's already deflecting on that. "It's American Fake food!" "I'm just getting Thiic" When it's her just lazing around and double fisting burgers without Kanata to keep her on a diet.

>>29705305
>That means either Marine has the power to just do whatever she wants or they're loosening up restrictions.
Probably both. What are they going to do, pull a Rushia or Coco on yet another pillar of the Hololive community?
What does she care? She can just go to Vshojo and they'll fall over backwards to make her happy.
I'd like to say I'm hopeful that the hololive girls getting more freedom to do what they want will make things more entertaining..
But I'm sure they'll just decide to make anime girls as insufferable as real women.
Fuck it, I'll find a new hobby. I like the idea of sassy 17 year old Marine giving the finger to the suits and doing what makes her happy at the time. I can enjoy that until fully programmable AI waifu's show up and just play video games with me.

>>29710022
They're worse than clipfags

>>29710023
Why would Holo not be worthy to interact with Niji? Niji literally doesn't have shit to brag about whatsoever

>>29710165
Fuck now I really want Toko to sing it

>>29710313
I actually quoted Coco's exact reasoning she gave in her second to last member stream, combined with a few other tidbits she mentioned over the last 6 months or so of her career.

>>29705530
Coco antics caused real problems, a lot of people lost their job because of her, that's why she was blocked to do anything

>>29705305
Also, Cover let Kiara send a birthday message to Pomu
It was a NijiEN's management decision to not allow Pomu to show it on stream. If Cover was the one blocking interactions Kiara wouldn't have sent it.

>>29710816
A lot of people will lose their jobs because of Marine's whoring video. It will turn away many potential fans and hurt their growth.

>>29708001
trying to push narrative eh ? permission shit is from japanese law why would you blame the company for it when they literally almost got nuked because of copyright strikes and bitching about recording and lessons, seriously ? only member who focus on music doing it regularly

>>29710322
I might be mistaken, but I think it's like how Sora being the biggest representative of seiso won't sing stuff like Ahoy!

>>29708001
>while Coco just wanted to have fun
she just wanted money and have her ego over the roof, being the n1 supperchated holo and praised as a genius when she was not, distorted her intentions

>>29705305
Why are people still surprised about Nijisanji blocking the collabs which is apparently because they don't want to anger their Chinese fanbase?
The management as well as the fans would criticise the talents themselves every time they brought up Holo names onto their streams.

>>29710923
nope, these are the winds of changes, you cant notice it because you are left behind

When reading some of these posts you'd be excused for thinking that some anons don't even read what the OP is and just see certain keywords and assume this has something to do with Kiara not collabing with Pomu

>>29710940
>trying to push narrative eh ?
>permission shit is from japanese law
Did you just accuse me of making up a narrative and then confirm what I said was true the very next sentence?

>>29710849
Just like how Cover let Rushia send personal video messages to her top donators, right?

>>29705305
>After she released her new mv, Inui Toko, Rindou Mikoto, and Hayase Sou reached out to congratulate her behind the scenes
Why behind the scenes? Are they not allowed to talk in the open?

this literally isn't even a clipwatcher thread this is a pure threadwatcher thread fucking hell

Mind boggling how hardcore bronies and tourists treat this as a thread worthy event.
They're not at war, retards
They can be friends and congratulate each other

>>29705305
>marine's new song combined with toko's SEX voice
ah
I want it

>>29710756
You are retarded then. First, she never applied to Holo as a streamer, she applied to be a manager, which is ironic. Second, she graduated because she despises idol stuff and wanted to be a titty reaction streamer.

>>29710484
how is admitting to it deflecting?

>>29710165
It's so far off Toko's image, I get the feeling she was just reaching for a funny excuse here. It'd be amazing if she did cover it, but Toko seems to be at best subtle when it comes to sensual stuff. I doubt Nijisanji would stop her from doing it, especially since the SKB-bu exists, but Marine's song seems way out of her comfort zone.

>>29712221
It's a thread with potential for interesting discussion co-opted by shitposters. /vt/ isn't very good for discussing vtubers.

>>29711548
>constant off-stream work
it's very clear you're trying to push a narrative because Coco barely do any off-stream work like most of holo member, only those who focus on music do it regularly and no one forcing anyone to focus on music or anything, there is Ayame there is Shion

>>29712416
>They're not at war
But they are? It's basically cold war, one wrong move from either side(for example, a male Niji talking about Holo, or top Holomems like Pekora/Marine trying to interact with male Niji) and war will break out, and it'll be a one-sided slaughter, with Holofags killing Niji and their fans.

>>29707138
>>29705759
what's the word for when you read a fact and concvince yourself it means the exact opposite of that fact?

>>29712693
>for my smile
I bet a chunk of that $11 million Vshojo had really put a big smile on her face.

>>29705305
>It's pretty much just the corps and fans that are at war
I'm becoming more and more convinced that it's just the fans at war and the companies are just keeping up the collab ban status quo so that they can cash in on both tribalfags and unityfags at the same time. If it was really about competition they wouldn't have been collabing with Vshojo and indies this whole time. They also would have unpersoned each other's talents like Rushia and Hitomi Chris to avoid exposing their fans to rival talents.

>>29713684
You have to also remember that these are both major japanese corpos, operating under the stringent japanese copyright laws. They need licenses and permissions from each other for every instance where each others' content is used, no matter how good their relations. There's probably a cutoff point for both where the benefits just aren't considered worth the time, effort and resources it takes to formally secure the rights, and the corpo would rather just do its own thing instead. It's not war, just business, but the vtubers themselves obviously can't say that part out loud.

>>29713684
Dunno about niji but in Holo's case its probably just business since they went all in on the idol stuff.

>>29705530
What exactly did she want to do so badly that she had to leave Hololive? She hasn't done anything of note since going solo.

>>29707358
Stopped her retard dual haachama thing because it is too gore.

>>29710204
>as long as it isn't monetized by anyone
fixed

>>29713684
In the early days of /vt/ I saw "discussions" where Holofags and Nijifags and VShojofags kept accusing each other's companies and chuubas of things that you'd think even clipwatchers and threadreaders would know to be false. Yet instead of flat denial these hardcore tribal warriors tried to explain away or around the accusations. So really, I wouldn't be surprised if most tribalfags on this board are just trolls trolling trolls, they've just managed to hammer out a commonly accepted narrative over the past year-and-a-half because people start believing lies if you repeat them often enough.

>>29712065
Probably just in hopes of not pissing off Niji management, since Marine just spoke about it openly.

>>29705305
cringe

>>29724352
>bumping from page 10
now that's cringe, OP

>>29705305
I think they misunderstood each other.
Cover wasn't pleased because of lewd content.
Niji would get angry because they don't want Toko covering holotrash, not because it's lewd.

>>29705305
>That means either Marine has the power to just do whatever she wants or they're loosening up restrictions.
Marine is arguably their biggest star right now, she can probably do whatever she wants as long as it won't get her sued and they will just pretend to not see.

>>29705305
>EN retard thinks NijiJP and HoloJP hate each other
Go back....but all the way back to when you didn't exist

>>29712794
It doesn't make sense since she only stayed in America for less than a week. She came into the country already fat. And it's because of those premade meal sponsorships she kept taking on.

>>29705305
>niji <has rules>
so much for the usual shitposts, eh faggots? everyone has a line to tow.
>>29706753
>mysteriously stopped
>mysteriously
>that time after the chinkout where asus was going to collab with hololive, not even with coco, and the chinks went over the head office's head to cancel it on behalf of the wumao
gee. it's almost like the zhang menace ended up making companies afraid of getting near her. the chinks are the problem, as usual
>t-they f-forced her out!
are you faggots still trying to push that NGA faggotry? get a grip.
>>29707358
they didn't "do something to her". they made her stop the original schizochama arc because youtube was getting mad about the whole "I killed myself then killed my other self then swapped our heads and" thing because youtube doesn't want stuff that comes off as promoting self-harm.
if anything, management saved her channel from her stupid desperation to stand out, as if she didn't already stand out with her own identity before the whole "I'm just gonna be a meme now" shit kicked in.

>>29708001
I don't think you realize how lucky Holo was able to bounce back after the Holocaust, Seriously they were getting shit on from everyone, Even Mio who got suspended by Capcom ended up getting a sponsorship with them, Times change, Holo is too popular to let people run wild and the members know this (Subaru even brought it up)
It's sad but that's how it works when you get popular and into the limelight.

>>29710849
>Pomu

>>29710849

>>29705305
Ironmouse congratulated her on the song too, why won't Marine acknowledge her Vshojo peers?

>>29713119
10% of that money would make anyone smile everyday all year long

Niji Sanji and Hololive are not in conflict. It is each other's fans who have always been at odds with each other, and the members of the two organizations get along well with each other.

>>29705305
>it's pretty safe to say that most of the talents on both sides are unityfags. It's pretty much just the corps and fans that are at war.
Duh. This is something you figure out the instant you ever try to actually make anything yourself, you gain a huge amount of respect for other people that do it. Because doing anything, even something really poorly, is a shit ton of effort. So naturally anyone who has made an original song with a music video would congratulate someone on their own successful project.

>Even though Cover didn't like the video, they still let her do it.
I think it's more that Marine pushed the line to the point where managers had worries about Youtube possibly taking it down, or age restricting her channel, or something similar. Plus there's branding concerns, considering she partnered with Rillakuma in the song's debut concert. When she says "My management got angry" she mostly means she ended up creating more work for her support staff. But she was able to convince them it was worth it.

>>29708001
Too much of a newfag to remember the purge?

>>29712693
>she graduated because she despises idol stuff and wanted to be a titty reaction streamer
The only correct answer

>>29709383
The reason there are few collaborations is simply because the hololive is so busy that it is difficult to schedule them. From what I've heard in Japanese, not from a clipped translation, I think they just don't want to sing, using the company as a reason to turn them down in a roundabout way.
As for the decrease in collaborations, it is because the group has become so big that it is difficult to call on them as much as it used to be, as Inuyama Tamaki said about why he no longer invites many members of Hololive as guests, saying that he hesitates to invite them because Hololive is too busy.

>>29708001
https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4

This needs to be watched by every single newfag. The holocaust nearly ruined hololive

>>29705305
it means that cover allows for more creative freedom than nijizhangji

Why is Hololive so busy though? I mean, they use suit actors for their 3D lives so they don't even need to do dance lesson

>>29734766
I honestly don't think EN is busy - I don't know if JP is actually giving lessons, but he does get a lot of requests from companies, so I can understand why he is busy with recording and interviews.

>>29734474
There was no need to stage a holocaust on THAT scale. Cover managers cut off their own balls for no reason at all.

>>29707358
nothing. they cant touch hachama

>>29708001
source doko?

and coco applied for a manager position not streaming position.

>>29710816
The only thing that caused people to lose jobs are angry bugmen. The world would be a better place if the cockroaches stayed out of sight

>>29724414
You do know that Toko does shit with Suisei all the time right? They're really good friends.

>>29734474
And it was ENTIRELY their fault.
I fucking hate permissions but Cover knew they had to get them, they tried to fly under the radar for to long till got fucked and it damn near cost Mio her account.
And yes that shit affected Niji to, they literally had someone graduate because of their shitty perms, they started that more seriously after she came back.

>>29738465
one funny thing is that sasaki's had old kingdom hearts vids staying up until last fall
not sure how that went unnoticed
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34529519

>>29705804
Yep. For every buck coco made in acca, Marine (and fbk) made 3 fold in appearences and corporate dealings

>>29736459
Coco mem stream and Twitter
Do your subtle sarcram rep before read or watch

>>29708001
This is true
Coco was overworked and had half - paralysis state. Kanata picked her to hospital and she must rest for fucking 3 weaks without streaming.

>>29709486
It's not made up anon.
This situation made Coco stressed so much and made her shocked and had half-paralysised.

She must rest for month

>>29743372
>>29744321
Do you ever get tired of defending coco, eslfag?

>>29705305
Marine is a business lady who knows her way around the corporate world. Middle managers can't intimidate her like they do to Aqua, Pekora or Shion

>>29711105
I can see the talent themselves restricting to preserve their image (even though Sora was able to say motherfucker on meme review without affecting much).
Corporate mandated "talent image" is a first though.

>>29746349
>I never watched fbk's melt down stream right after coco's graduation.
gtfo newfag