/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Nobody applied lol

>>2955221
After IN graduates, probably. They just launched a new KR wave too.

Its all a hoax. Nijisanji doesn’t exist. All of it is fake. In fact, this place doesn’t exist. I don’t exist. You don’t exist, anon.
Wake up. You have to wake up. Wake up.

There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no NijiEN.
No but seriously, the fact that they're taking their time is a good sign, but if they take any longer than may I can see it being too late for the EOP audience what with all the new Holos coming up.

>>2955275
The longer they wait the greater the chances of Hololive or some other company steals their thunder. The market is already on the downswing as fadchasers start moving on to the next big thing and if they wait much longer there is a decent chance they are going to make a big wet flop instead of the boom that they need.

I'm starting to believe the narrative that they are playing a game of chicken with the vsinger.

>>2955221

Niji EN will have like 15-20 "livers" so thats why its taking their time

>>2955293
What is the next big fad?

>>2955293
Also they need to get in before everyone has the state approved sterilization micro chip vaccine and will be forced to work 12 hours a day again.

>>2955447
Oppai loli

Four months is too soon. I remember HoloID2 audition were July-August and they debuted in December.

>>2955742
We're talking about niji here, they need 30 new chubas every year.

>>2955742
August to December is four months, bright spark

>>2955293
Australia just had 78k attended a football game, the EU allowing fully vaccinated American tourists, and big companies like Netflix and possibly more like Crunchyroll, etc are joining in the vtuber industry. Its over for NijiEN if they delay it further.

>>2955742
Dunno why everyone thinks it should be so soon. Look at the KRs they just announced, those were auditioned back in October last year. That is a full 7 months to debut.

>>2955949
The difference is Nijisanji already dominates the Korean market, small as it is, while the EN market has competition up the ass. They need to strike while the iron's hot.

>>2955966
I'm not commenting on when it would be most advantageous to launch. Just pointing out how long it has taken another group of auditions to end up being actualized as an anchor for expectations.

>>2955293
>>2955940
This

>>2955742
HoloEN was almost 4 months.

>>2955940
Honestly don't see big companies as much of a threat to the established order. All the outside companies that have tried to get involved with vtubers in the past have more or less failed to do anything noteworthy. Bushiroad launched vtubers, nobody watches them, Square Enix has vtubers nobody watches, Takara Tomy has a vtuber nobody watches, TV stations in Japan have picked up vtuber groups and got nowhere with it. The only one I can think of that has really been notable is probably Suntory Nomu but she isnt stealing the market or anything.

>>2956013
The counterpoint is that HoloEN, ID2, and Gen 5 all took about five months from end of auditions to the debut, so that's the timetable most people expect

>>2955742
HoloEN was almost 4 months.

>>2956114
Perhaps Niji just takes longer to prepare their groups than Holo does?

>>2956109
Well there's goldship, but her success probably has more to do with being attached to the meme game of this season than anything else.

>>2955221
NijiEN here. We were supposed to debut a couple weeks ago, but the project was scrapped because the members were already hitting on NijiJPs. I got caught trying to lulu Lulu's lulus, and I'd do it again!!!!

>>2956136
I think being part of a big company that is throwing money around and trying to muscle their way into your attention is kind of the antithesis of what people are looking for in vtubers to begin with. It's like youtube content where people want the creators to seem "authentic" but on steroids because the connection is much more immediate. If you slap some big corporations name on it you are already on the back foot with trying to convince people of becoming invested in you like that.

>>2956121
they also debuted during the peak covid lockdown last year which helps them incline greatly. See Q3-Q4 for all streaming platforms twitch, yt, fb.

>>2956357
What does that have to do with what >>2956121 said? are you ok anon-kun?

>>2955447
Horsepussy

>>2955835
I don't know which outdated meme gets brought up more often, Kizuna Ai's different seiyuus or Niji continiously pumping out chuubas.
Their last JP wave was in August 2020 and they were 5 members.

>NijiEN Doku.
Now I want Count Doku as vtuber.

>>2955221
>doku
Yes, nijien is poison

>>2956514
And how many others there were in that same year?

>>2956653
13 which is a huge step down from 2019 (44 chuubas)

>>2956653
7 total. What people are thinking about when they are talking about pumping out is the 44 they launched in a year the year before that or the 50+ in the before that.

>>2956712
Oh its 8 total I miscounted.

>>2956724
Didn't Meifu also debut last year?

>>2956748
Yeah the question was how many others were there. So you have the Serejo 5 which were already mentioned and 8 others.

>>2956127
Then they are set to lose then

>>2956804
I don't think anyone in their right minds has ever expected them to win?

>>2955966
>>2955949
The time is totally normal. Nijisanji in the past before 2020 actually had much less time. It was audition in a month and debut later on, at least for overseas branches. This seems to change because now there's a lot of time between auditions and then the debut. So I'll say it's May/June debut.

>>2956804
Lose what? We're not betting on racehorses here

>>2956851
Thinking about it logically you have a company with mixed results on overseas expansion launching into a market where they have a very small presence. Compared to a company that had already established the by far largest english speaking vtuber fanbase before the idea of EN was anything but a meme. I know which group I would put my money on to be the most successful out of the two. It's possible that Niji could blow up but slim.

>>2956514
Love niji but the cast was always so dauntingly big. I've only gotten into them piecemeal because of that.

>>2956804
No one right in their mind is imagining NijiEN to be more popular than holoEN. But they can still be sucessful on their own, for sure.

>>2956514
>Their last JP wave was in August 2020 and they were 5 members.
This is the weirdest thing about this whole NijiEN preparation. Does this mean they fully committed opening this EN branch? Then why so long?
I remember when Niji ID, IN & KR opened and this is not the case.

>>2957289
I don't think its all that related. EN wasn't even announced until December. Those debuts in August were probably in the works since near the start of last year.

>>2956706
>>2956712
Yeah, and they haven't announced their vtubers for the first half of the year. Even in 2020 they already would be debuting but nothing so far. I guess they are slowing down in JP.

>>2957289
Those debuts from 2020 were from earlier auditions. I don't think it has anything to do with NijiEN, even more when it was just announced in november and then auditions opened in december. With that said, Ichikara was doing auditions and debuting vtubers in like a month before, but they changed since 2020 with KR already opening auditions in nov of that year but the new gen only announced in this month. So yeah, I think there was some internal change in there regarding this. Plus they need to set up the things for EN, contract managers and do a lot of stuff for the branch itself, I think

Reminder that all overseas branches are managed by the same retard. Don't expect anything.

>>2957448
What do you mean? Ichikara has advertised for managers for both the KR and EN branches.

>>2957481
General manager that does all the brilliant decisions like expanding to India or buying failed Korean company is the same for all branches. Local staff is different but if he could hire competent people Noor wouldn't even exist.

>>2957548
You forgot the shitshow that happened with Niji Taipei and Niji Shanghai (VEgo).

>>2957548
good. All foreign branches should stay nothing than a meme branch. I really hated when HoloEN appeared out of nowhere and they were overshadowing the main branch already

>>2957548
I'm not sure they are local staff. They were specifically advertising for an English Project Manager and KR Project Manager on the ichikara recruitment page as far back as when the auditions were announced.

>>2957610
Actually when the EN auditions were announced they were looking for a manager for the talent. It was after that they added a project manager too.

>>2957591
Go back to /jp/.

>>2957448
Big if true

They need more time for Deron to improve her english and the new cowboy outfit.

>>2955949
Wait hold on if they take the same time to do NijiEN as they did for KR they might end up launching at about the same time as HoloEN gen 2 and end up going head to head.

>>2955949
>full 7 months to debut
>launching at the same time as HoloEN2
These motherfuckers better pray Nyanners grace their asses or they are absolutely fucked.

>>2965663
why do you think holoen2 will be then? don't really follow them enough to know if there is anything official announced or is it just speculation based on previous audition to debut timings?

>>2965720
HoloEN2 auditions closed in March, debuts will probably be around July-August.

>>2965720
Cover's turnaround time from closing of audtions to debut is around four months, judging from EN1 and ID2's, and EN2's audition ended in March, which puts their debut time at july/augist. That's also about when NijiEN will launch if they keep up with the seven months schedule.

Let's be real. Weebs either hate Niji or they don't even know Niji exist. The company know they're going to waste resource for nothing if they debut NijiEN, so they probably scrapped it already. Hell, seeing how they don't even pump out new JP member anymore, they're probably done with this vtuber stuffs and are preparing to shut down the whole thing when it's not profitable anymore.

>>2965847
Starting with "Let's be real" and then immediately proceeding to not being real is a real posting faux pas, anon.

Wouldn't be surprised if something happened behind the scenes and there isn't going to be an EN branch anymore

>>2965847
>they're probably done with this vtuber stuffs and are preparing to shut down the whole thing when it's not profitable anymore.

Funny you should say that, just as they debut a new KR branch, and opened up auditions for the next KR wave.

>>2966412
Well, currently, HoloKR doesn't exist. They need to get good streamers to their side right now because no one would join Nijisanji if there's better choices such as Hololive.

>The fuck is going on?
Nothing until NijiINs graduate.

>>2966617
Kind of crazy how all the small companies that are too small for you even to bother to using them for bait manage to make new hires all the time when not only Hololive but also Nijisanji exists isn't it?

>>2965774
lol no, it won't. It's going to be in August-September

>>2966617
Amazing how you say that so seriously when people keep joining Nijisanji.

NijiEN is a myth.

Are they really trying to wait out VSingers debut?

>>2955293
If anything, Cover's waiting for NijiEN's debut to gauge further interest in Gen 2, and especially StarsEN, since there's no notable male EN V-tubers to set a bar of success so far.

>>2966617
Hololive is a retirement home of washed up streamers who have the upper hand with stacked resumes. Younger people have no chance and will go to Nijisanji.

>>2957255
How many is too big? Let me guess, more than 50.

>>2972434
>Younger people have no chance
Explain Mori and Kiara?

>>2972434
>stacked resumes
>ame

>>2955221
>doku
I think you meant 'doko' or better yet, 'itsu?'.

>>2972946
Anything over 40 becomes too big. If Hololive were smaller, the Homos would get more attention but there's so many girls to watch already so the guys are bottom on the list of desirability.

>>2973300
>Anything over 40 becomes too big
So what do you do if you're a growing company and hit the number 40?

>>2973300
That doesn't make sense. Niji is too big by your standards but they have both males and females at the top end.

>>2957255
I don't think even the chuubas themselves can name every 2434 member.

>>2973405
You're not wrong, probably. Maybe some can name all their co-workers but that's not really on the job description.
If someone shows me a character I can tell if they're in nijisanji and then name then (most of the time), but I probably couldn't name every one from memory.
Almost like 2hu.

>>2972981
Young as in under 23. There's several Niji members who are still in school.

>>2973696
Ollie and Haachama for a recent and old example

>>2973340
Encourage some people to graduate or split them into different groups and rebrand the girls that have stagnated.
>>2973367
I'm thinking of the EOP and Western market. Males don't get much love outside of JP audience. The Homos have a few dedicated kaigainiki but other than the APEX bros, Niji's males are pure fujobait.

>>2973696
>Ollie
>Haachama
>Shion
>Matsuri
>Ayame
>Risu
>Lamy
>Nene
>Okayu (when she debuted)

>>2973867
how old is ollie???

>>2976843
Who knows, she said she's forever 17 on her debut, but her alleged roommate also claimed to be 17 back in 2020 when she debuted, so she should be 17-19 if you believe her

>>2973867
Forgot Sora.

>>2973774
Wrong

>>2973300
Holostars debuted before gen 3 and weren't getting anything. It was when there where around 20 members.

>>2973774
>>2973300
Or you could just not be a dirty DD? Nobody is forcing you to watch everyone in a company.

https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1386892862126575618

>>2972242
That'd be the most retarded decision they ever made and I hope they aren't doing that.

>>2973049
She has like eight years of streaming experience, that's fucking stacked even if her numbers aren't great

They need to make people think Nijisanji=Hololive somehow for them to survive. Because right now, vtuber=Hololive, other companies literally do not exist to most people.

>>2984760
On top of being the tech-geek and a good FPS player, picking her was the right choice.

>>2988096
When Alternative hits, oh boy, do they need more than just a miracle to survive. Well, unless, alternative became a disappointment.

>>2988096
>Source: my ass
Niji is still more popular in Japan and Vshojo is pretty popular in the west.

>>2988586
Someone post the Google search analytics

>>2989189
which one?

>>2977705
Sora is a fucking oldhag, don't tell me you believe in the old joke where people mocking Soratomo back in the day of the old virtual youtuber thread of /jp/

>>2989189

>>2989558
Sora's real age is close to or exactly her chara age. Sorry if you believe that supposed doxx is actually her.

>>2957548
>but if he could hire competent people Noor wouldn't even exist.
I Only know a little bit about Noor, so what did she do to be incompetent?

>>2984433
the gift that keeps on giving

>>2990534
Be Indian

>>2989189
The only one that matters

>>2989189
Looks like you hit a sore spot kek
>>2989299
>>2989626

>>2955251
I can't wake up

>>2956229
then why are indies not more successful then vtubers from companies like Niji and Holo?

>>2993729
Did you not bother to read the reply chain?

>>2989189

>>2993729
Do you search it wrong on purpose?

>>2988538
Alternative is basically DOA because the only contracted project it had exploded

Wouldn’t be surprised if they just dropped the idea. It’s wayyyyyyyyy too late anyway NijiEN should have been here by December

Well we obviously know they won’t get the numbers of hololive here, but what would be some (numbers) estimates? I don’t think it’ll be an abysmal failure but who knows

>>2994206
This. I think Nijisanji was already cornered by Hololive in the english market since the beginning, the only real chance they could have would be by somehow debuting asap to go head to head against HoloEN gen1 during their "recline". That would mean covering the many dead hours holomyth leave behind, pushing for genuine group interactions and collabs, and maybe not being a bunch of solo autists like the holoEN girls.

>>2994529
So the only way to beat Hololive is to adopt the hololive method?

>>2993962

>>2994635
Hey if you can't beat them

>>2965663
kek

>>2965720
>why do you think holoen2 will be then?
one year anniversary of EN1

HoloEN probably debuts in July. I believe they wouldn't want schedules to clash in May and June. May had Hololive Alternative, and June is Gura's birthday and possibly another song from Mori.

>>2973774
Nijisanji was already doing it by separating talents into groups such as SEEDS or GAMERS. It lead to countless drama and management being a clusterfuck so they merged everything

>>2996953
But now you have a formless mass where outside of one or two standouts most of the talents blend together so I wouldn't say it's an improvement.

>>2999362
Hololive is the exact same thing though. Only a handful of chuubas like Marine, Aqua, and Pecor really stand out.

>>2994206
What a waste of time that would have been. No one seems to even care or ask though besides here, so quietly canceling it makes sense, unfortunately.

>>2999465
But they can be easily broken into generations so you can get to know a small group of them at a time and slowly spread around the entire company as they collab and participate in big events. You don't have those easy breakpoints for the Nijis so getting into the nijis is much more daunting for the casual follower.

>>2999815
And what disability prevents you from watching small group from Nijisanji?

do EN numbers mean anything if they dont buy merch or attend events

>>3000880
They superchat a fuckton, 3 out of the five EN earned more in six months than half of holoJP did in 2 years and the other two aren't earning pocket change either.

>>3000880
>dont buy merch
As soon as they figure out that $20 import fee and dealing with the import office is a major debuff, I expect merch sales to go up.
>attend events
What events? The only one doing anything is Kizuna Ai and that got debuffed by the WuFlu.
Kiara is going to participate in some German Eurocon, so we'll see how that goes.

>>3001466
For sure, I know plenty of people that would buy a lot of merch if it wasn’t for the $20-30 shipping cost.
Kiara has really been pushing for Hololive to get involved in conventions.
I wonder if Nijisanji will do something similar as well.

>>3000670
He's not talking about himself specifically. People like labels, groups, and branding. If you divide them up, a lot more people are likely to get into them by groups. Niji is broken into groups too, but it's not focused upon/put into the EN wiki beyond what year they debuted.

On the flip side, you do get people loving one group and hating the rest, but that's not a major problem for Holo yet since JP barely has 25 or so people. Even then you still have schizos going around spamming "gen 3 is the best and the rest suck", or even people comparing JP to EN.

>>3003052
Easier to remember everyone when you group them by gens.

>>3003171
Nijis after SEEDs are officially grouped by their debuts. BLUEs, VALZ, Meifu, Orihimeboshi, Mananatsu, Selejo and such.

>>2999362
Only one or two standouts? Man, there's way more than that.

>>2955447
Teledildonics

Literally next month faggots, and then second batch 1-2 months after.

>>3007871
and then the third batch 1-2 months after that

>>2976843
She has two younger siblings, the youngest of whom is just finishing the high school-equivalent. She’s probably been dead (stuck at 17) for about 2 to 4 years.

>>3007871
>>3008030
Accelerate

>>2993962
Anglos don't give a fuck about 2434.

>>2993880
Because women by themselves are fucking retarded and need to be told what to do. I want them to be indies and work by themselves but not spout their propaganda.

https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1387260592545701889

>other exciting stuff
Finally?

>>3021564
exciting stuff

>>3021564
Hopefully

>>3021564
How long is Golden Week?

>>3025012
Until May 5