/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Nothing. She's perfect.

>>29390162
Male collabs

your third world shithole getting internet and smartphones enabling you to spread your verbal filth here

Whore

>>29390162
she started to pander cat lovers

>>29390284
Then why is she the least popular EN? Sana doesn't count anymore

>>29390288
Indeed

>>29390392
I'm not sure she's below Kiara yet.

>>29390162
She's apparently the most beautiful EN member and the males are gonna mating press her hard

>>29390162
Nothing really.
She's still being her unityfag self and got her projects coming along, really the only hiccup was her trip to US, which threw a massive spanner in her schedule

>>29390470
Look at the recent VOD views

>>29390162
Severly needs to be spayed then she'd be alright.

>>29390587
VOD views don't matter.

>>29390658
they do anon.

>>29390658
>ad money doesn't matter

>>29390714
No they don't. Any retard can just inflate that number by streaming twice as long.

>>29390658
If I had to put them according to vod views
Gura>Ina>=Mumei>Kronii>Mori>Fauna>=IRyS(Fauna gets more vod views but IRyS gets more ccv) >Amelia>Kiara>Baelz

>>29390162
>Turns into a slut for Roberu
>Becomes Mori's +1 to her hijinks and talks to IronMouse
>Pretends she cares and starts trying to coddle her chat about talking to MALES after everything
She's just like her senpai, a retard through and through hoping everyone memory holes her past whore-ification in the desperate attempt to keep her fanbase

>>29390791
no you can't retard. The audience is not going to sit down and watch 4+ hours streams if they are not good.

>>29390791
They do anon, even if you take vods of similar lengths, Kiara gets better views. That said I am not here to numberfag. I was just trying to prove your point wrong

>>29390897
Talking with a man doesn't make you a whore.

>>29390860
ina is that fucking high? seriously? why?

Nothing's wrong with her. She's absolutely adorable and very entertaining

>>29390162
your birth

she prefers dicks over numbers. which is acceptable as well. as long as she is happy

>>29390658
>>29390791
Okay let's look at their superchat earnings then

>>29390897
as much as I don't like Bae, don't even compare her to Mori motherfucker.

>>29390980
Stockholm syndrome

>>29390334
but thats enough about you

>>29391029
She's being groomed by your Mori to be her +1, IRyS stood her ground so now Whori is doubling down on the rat

>>29390910
You fucking retard, it doesn't matter if they leave, they already counted as a VOD view. Any fucking retard that watches for 5 (FIVE) seconds already counts as a view. The longer you stream, the more randoms who come into the stream inflate the VOD viewcount (despite not being active watchers)

CCV is the only relevant measure of popularity.

I think you all Bae haters should kill yourself.
She has not done anything as offensive as Mori or anything.
Worst thing she has done is collab with IM because of Mori and I feel that IM is not a trustworthy person

>>29390980
>>29391066
It's insane she gets that many viewers without being entertaining but EOP zoomers love "comfy" streamers. Baelz chill streams always do better than her high energy streams.

>>29391003
When they have no rrats, the threadreaders turn into numberfags.

>>29390980
She's been inclining for some reason

I think Bae is cute, so nothing wrong

>>29390162
Your parents didn't abort you

>>29390288
Get a girlfriend and do off collab with her. Just because you're shut in piece of shit it doesn't mean the vtubber artist has to be as well. Improve yourself. And before I get quoted by people who think they're fucked. Well. Quit making excuses join a gym lose some weight and hit the weights if you want to. Sick and tired of ugly ass and fat fucks making excuses and not doing anything about their situation.

>>29391182
This.
I don't even care about Homo collabs. She should have not collabed with Iron Mouse

>>29390162
Bae just doesn't seem the same after her month long marathon and giving up her cat. Maybe she's been streaming less? But I haven't been counting. Her zatsus are usually entertaining though.

>>29391182
>>29391268
So you guys are saying that you all will prefer a Homo Collab over an Iron Mouse collab(the most wholesome person in the world)

>>29391149
I watch VODs exclusively.

>>29391329
>(the most wholesome person in the world)
Back to your thread.

>>29391322
She's been busy behind the scenes on stuff

She's a loud annoying chink zoomer. She also shot all chances at GFE or Parasocial by lusting after Homos from the get go.

>>29391329
Unironically yes. People think she is wholesome and all but if we go by what happened in the Nux case(I still don't like Nux, but here the man is innocent) she lied how she talked to him before and what all to save the face of her company.
Before that, I had no problem with Iron Mouse. But after this situation it's obvious no good VShojo members are there

>>29391329
Yes. I will rather have her collab with Homo En than watch her collab with VShitshow members

>>29391149
>CCV is the only relevant measure of popularity.
This. I find it weird how people still argue against this. My oshi isn't necessarily the top of either metric (VOD or CCV). But even I can admit that CCV is the most relevant statistic since Vtubers are literally livestreamers - the key word is in their damn job title. So if people aren't willing to tune in to watch someone live, because it's either too long, too late, crappy game etc. Then you're clearly not popular enough for them to care enough.

>>29391329
With out a fucking doubt anon. Without a fucking doubt

>>29390162
>shit mic near debut which made her already annoying screaming even worse and filtered people early on
>Whore
>Debuff games and inconsistent streaming times
>Bad entertainer by herself
>debuff laugh

>>29391657
anon let me tell you something.
Some of the viewers get culled when considering CCV for holo En as Hololive viewers are from NA and their channel is set from Japan

She's boring, like most of holoEN. Also Aussie voice debuff. Male collabs don't matter since she made it clear from the get-go that she is a fan of the Homos.

>>29391329
Yes, all my homies hate Vshojo

>>29391663
>>Bad entertainer by herself
Is this true? I admit I never watch her. But she seems pretty lively, as far as I know she can sing pretty well and has varied stream ideas. So what exactly makes her a bad entertainer solo?

>>29391434
>>29391486
>>29391552
>>29391658
>>29391821
Kill yourselves. Bae will be disappointed in calling you all her viewers as you hate on her friends

>>29390162
You were born.

>>29391329
>(the most wholesome person in the world)
Lmao. Ironlung is a conwoman.

>>29390897
A lof of girls did male collabs and don't have that problem.

>>29391949
>cry more
I will never support VShojo. I am not even a tribalfag as I watch Vtubers from Nijisanji JP, En (Selen and Rosemi), Kawai and Phase connect as well.
And VShojo is the worst group

>>29391930
Watch her VA-11 Hall-A playthrough, it's good time.
Bae's not a gamer, so the simpler the game the better so she's able to better interact with her chat.

>>29391255
>seething this much over two words

>>29390162
>from "leader" of council to 2views of council
RUMAO RUMAO

>>29391255
I'm not reading this
Go back

>>29391949
buu huu nigga

>>29391949
No.....

>>29390162
its simple
she's not gura
i do note this flaw is not exclusive to her
the one major fault in all other chuubas is that they are not gura

>>29391949
Her only friends should be holos
Except Mori

>>29391329
I really think Cover should be banning all collabs and interactions with Vshojo since their JP branch debut which made their intentions of poaching talents very clear. The Bae/Mouse collab was way before that though, so I won't hold it against her.

>>29390714
ccv and superchats matter, VOD views do not

>>29390162
>Names males before she even debuted.
>Acts like she is talking to toddlers all the time
>Started by speaking both english and japanese despite barely having any japanese viewers, which filtered out a lot of people
>Constantly screeches like a fucking retard and is not very pleasant to listen to in general
>Collabs with males
>Part of the Mori gang
>Chinese

>>29391949
>waaaah please like vshojo
No

Bae has always had terrible VOD views if it's her alone. She works better in collabs to bounce off.

>>29390791
It's actually much harder since you are actually capped at how many views you can give to a singular video in a day. Likely to prevent inflated views for music videos by one individual.

>>29391149
I think you are a retarded numberfag because you don't even know the rules of youtube. It takes a minimum of 30 seconds and you have to actually watch the ad to count as a view. Also, that notion has been countered by many situations that prove that wrong. Subaru hits 20~25k live viewers consistently with her free talk but if you actually watch the VODs they barely just get to 200k views within the month but most of the time don't hit it at all while streaming games actually net her more views over them even with less live viewers. Subject matter matters most for the longevity of video unless you stream a lot to counter it since most videos die out in popularity within the first 2 weeks with rare chances where it resurges in views later on.

Also, the platform is youtube where streaming isn't actually the main draw because it may be hard to believe but people actually watch VODs as well as many edited content videos uploaded daily. live viewers might give you the headstart but they dont' always get the most VOD views and that's even excluding music videos. This is true also on the large scale of music videos where something seems like it has a huge lead at first but loses to the music video that doesn't have the huge views at the start but a steady number of viewers later.

Unless you hacked into their account to know how much they make, you are making educated guesses on missing data and fragmented data to prove who is more successful just like you are doing now. Someone could make less or more than the next individual based on the accumulation of where their profits lie like superchat, membership, super thanks, ad revenue, merchandise, sponsorship and so on combined. Maybe get your head out of isolating it to only just streamers and look at the bigger whole of youtube. There are plenty of top youtubers more successful than vtubers without even relying on things you are arguing over and they aren't all streamers. Unless there is a massive leak, it's all a dick measuring contest but it's visibly hidden and you can't inspect from less than 5 meters away. Maybe that might be true if this was on twitch but on youtube, the answer is much more muddier.

>>29392913
>Chinese
I get everything else but she doesn't act like a chink

>>29392172
we all knew fauna was the leader from the getgo

>>29390980
Shes consistent, her subs actually watch.
Those are two pretty good reasons

>>29393037
>She's consistent

>>29392913
>Reads threads

>>29392979
>She works better in collabs
No she doesnt. Almost all council members are better than her in collabs (minus Sana, but even she kinda redeemed herself in this graduation collab spam).

>>29390162
for me, it's the fucking timezone

>>29391193
Zoomers need loud and fast. Thats why they are called zoomers.
I'm sorry your baby brain cant slow down and has to have keys jangled in your face to keep you happy.

I don't give a shit about all of the moronic meme reasons like THE MALES or SHE EXISTS AROUND MORI or whatever bullshit.

The honest answer is just that she's not very entertaining on her own when playing games, and her strongest content is her zatsus which themselves are not anything particularly outstanding. It feels like she doesn't have any core staple of content to build her channel around and doesn't seem to have any promising avenues that could fix that.

And I know someone is going to bitch about "well but *I* find her entertaining!" but the reality is that the wider audience doesn't agree with you. She's just not a big numbers draw when it comes to her humor, personality, or ability to commentate with interesting material while playing games. The fact that 95% of her presence in the collective fanbase's mind is just her relation to other Holo members like IRyS should tell you more than enough already.

>>29393113
Ina had a bunch of health issues that made her take breaks after a VERY long time, and was pretty consistent up to that point.

>>29393113
She does also tend to stream at the same times for roughly two and a half hours

>>29393184
Idk how old you are but it's obvious you can't read or lost the ability to read. Zoomer EOPs LIKE "chill/comfy" streamers for some reason. After a long day of work if I wanted to chill I'd jack off and go to sleep. I like streamers that put in an effort to be entertaining and engage with their audience.

>>29390162
Her design isn't pastel colors, which is actually a big departure from the established hololive aesthetic. That lead to hampering her right out of the gate.
Also she really hasn't found the niche that suits her personality. At heart she's more of an Ina-type streamer instead of the zoomer rat she feels obligated to be.

>>29392172
Omega strikes again with his retarded lore. She was already hamstrung trying to play into the chaos role when she's normie as fuck. Why he thought appointing a leader was a good idea is beyond me and he did it again with the blue homo who is now lagging behind. Gen leader is a curse

>>29393224
Counterpoint, you are wrong, there are tangible reasons for her decline
Bae is a debuff queen who constantly overlaps others, constantly changes timezones, goes on breaks and does JP weeks
If she did none of this, she would incline hard

>>29393574
Wasn't Kiara supposed to be the designated gen leader as well? The curse is real.

>>29393421
This information on EOP zoomers came to you in a dream.
I'm saying you're talking out of your ass

>>29390162
Nothing went wrong, My Baeby rat is a cutie and a genuinely sweet girl

>>29393613
But I'd rather Bae be happy.

Very inconstent stream quality. Sometimes it's kino, sometimes she just phones in.
Her Japanese streams are actually a huge debuff. You're letting both EOPs and JOPs on the ground.
Too zoomer for the traditional Holo audience, too safe for the actual zoomer audience who will watch NijiEN instead.

>>29393613
Drop the fake rat voice too. Her normal voice is sex and her actual personality is closer to a meek mouse than a rat

>>29393643
The problem is when it's written into the lore without considering who is a natural fit, which develops over time. Myth have no leaders and they in fact fill the role by each bring something to the table

>>29390969
Real!.

>>29390162
She's not White

>>29393224
This is sad to read to be honest. I don't have anything against her, but it's just an unfortunate feeling because on her debut I really thought she would be the most popular one. She oozed charisma and was pretty confident. But in the end it didn't equate to much.

>>29393643
The only exception is La+

>>29394521
Lui is more of a leader / mother figure of the group. Lap is just a goofball.

>>29391255
Are you okay with ugly and fat people who did nothing wrong becoming collateral damage for your hatred? Do better.

>>29390980
Behind Gura, Ina is the most "anime". More people are starting to realize the retention value of that differentiation from normal streamers.

...
>plenty of drama with other holos to shitthread about
>choose sexrrat instead
Have shitniggers really this out of material?

>>29394468
That’s because she practiced her debut over and over again. She’s quite strong when she has project at hand to refine. However her improv skills are hot garbage.

>>29394521
La+ is a joke character. She's basically the incompetent loli "leader" stereotype you see in anime.

>>29394741
Ina is boring. Gura is not
Ina lacks personality. Gura does not
Don't make such retarded comparisons and try to put it under the umbrella of "because anime"

>>29394756
Ever wonder where all the Bae unicorns went?

>>29395098
Never were any

>>29394653
I see La+ as the unification element of the group so sort of a leader, everyone bullies her equally and she asks for it with the whole loli commander bit. Not to mention she busts a fucking rug on those 3d streams and probably has the irl respect of the other mems by being the best "idol" of the group

>>29393023
No, you didn't. During debut most of /vt/ dismissed Fauna as "low energy and ASMR not for me" and never watched her again until like her Hitman streams.

If the implication is that you think this is a bae-unicorn created thread....then that is a lonely path of futility.

>>29390162
she havent choped my dick off with these chompers

>>29395571
We knew it in our hearts, not our minds

>>29395045
Do you realize that Gura is only pushing over the top normie memes all this time, while doing the most generic uwu anime girl voice ever? How is that not boring? The only thing she's got going for her is the loli model and the singing voice.

>>29395571
I watched her spore streams at the beginning and realized that she will be one of the best in the gen. I wrote Mumei off at the start tho'.

>>29390969
ovaries make you a whore.

>>29395213
Not anymore, they're now just threadreaders.

>>29394676
Excuses. You just love whine and moan and does nothing about your health and weight. What you're going blame your eating habits on? Depression? Thyroid? All which have treatment for which you chudcel won't get because you love being a miserable self loathing piece of shit.
If your parents were able to fuck why can't you?

>>29390162
>What went wrong?
>Your dad forgot to pull out

>>29396258
She had me at NotPickle

>>29390162
She's just not interesting. All she does is react to whatever is immediately occurring in-game. Either she lacks the wit/creativity/life experience/knowledge/whatever to draw interesting parallels and connections to other things or she's so afraid of exposing anything about herself that she just refuses to do so. Fauna is the complete opposite of her in this regard, which is why she is rightfully inclining and surpassing her...

>>29396696
No matter how many blogposts you make, vtubers will always be under the threat of forced graduation if they get exposed for being whores. Cope

>>29396696
I'm just calling you out for being a hypocritical and shitty person. I'm not even close to being overweight, let along obses. Stop projecting, landwhale.

>>29395571
>never watched her again until like her Hitman streams.
Actually got me. I thought the bald thing was really endearing.

>>29390162
Nothing, unless you're a numberfag.

>>29392990
She speaks cantonese

>>29390162
Voice debuff
Banter debuff
Male debuff

>>29393643
It's ame the normal human amongst myths.

>>29390162
You

>>29390162
Too sexy. Can't spend one living second without being mating pressed

>>29390745
Compared to superchat revenue ad earnings are like piss in the ocean.

> scream at every single thing
> "bruh"
> boring at collab

>>29400917
I know she is chinese but she doesn't have chinese related yabs so I don't see it as an issue.

>>29390162
your existence

>>29390162
cucked the owl

>>29411630
the sideways vagina is the ultimate chinese related yab

>>29411630
She doesn't t shave.

>>29390162
Bae antis are pathetic man
Atleast WATCH streams to get your material

>>29393643
No Amelia was the leader of Holomyth. The opening videos are narrated by her and from her POV. The whole lore was that Ame was a normal human detective who had discovered the other mythical creatures

WELP....there goes future SNOT collabs...oh well, we can only hope Calli graduates now.

>>29390162
She is not Hololive material personality.
She would do much better in Nijisanji unironically

Nothing went wrong, this zoomer rat is perfect the way she is
Maybe look in the mirror sometimes OP, you might see a walking mistake

>>29411970
>pubes
>yab
no fags allowed

>>29397619
>>29393224
Basically these.
As an exception I enjoyed her Mio collab, because in Japanese she can't just say "bruh" and "oh mah gaw" and has to think about what she says.

>>29412026
Nobody watches Bae, not even to anti her.

>>29390162
nothing, getting /vt/ threads like this means she's doing things right

>>29390392
after today´s collba with mumei i can understand some reasons. She is too loud. She also tries really hard to hype up the situations... sounds like fake reactions for clippers. Also her sense of humor is a lit bit off. She gets too concern about stuff she should not even care.
She is just a kid... it is expected.

>>29412938
This

>>29412917
*/vt/ doesn't watch Bae
Good for her, atleast there is one holo this shithole didn't latch onto

>>29390162
>went
>Implying something was ever right

Zoomer humour is just trash memes, has no longevity

>>29390162
Schizophrenic schedule. She can't stick to a time, and goes on regular breaks, so she never built a sizeable core audience.

Ollie copycat from the start. Unityfag that cannot even unite her genmates. It's fine to have oshi but she's playing favorite too much it's unprofessional (collab with rio was hard to watch). She got the best design because she doesn't have anything else to offer

>>29418172
>>29418490
Both these honestly. Not even considering the Stars thing, she's just uninteresting to me, like Ollie.

>>29390162
Voice filters me. One minute she's being cute the next she's stabbing my ears out with the shrill HAAHHHH she does. Same issue with Mori. Someone needs to teach these girls how to use the audio settings.

>>29390162
She's fine, have YOU ever considered the rope though?

>>29419237
yes, that fucking voice is what irritates me the most

>>29419355
Get filtered you tinnitus cunt

>>29396696

None mentioned weight and their health. You just assumed that they are all overweight because... they are on 4chan?

You are literally seethnig over an idiot's comment. If anything the one who projects his issues here, is you.

Gym is nice and all, but before you say not to anti-depressants, you might also want to check a psychologist for these kinds of bursts.

>>29391255
>tfw got fit & worked my ass off to go to a good school/get a good job to help get a gf
>still have an ugly face & am autistic so I'm still a virgin
Just work on being likable bros, the only girls into buff spergs with $ are ones you don't want to be around. Join an improv club or a band or something, the "just lift bro" thing is a waste

>>29390162

I like her small tits.

>>29391255
Based

>>29393613
The difference is that the blue homo actually feels like a leader. He drives collabs and is in the chat of literally every single one of his gen mate's streams, I don't know when the fuck this guy sleeps

>>29391255
I think it's more about the mindset, getting fit helps you become a better and less bitter person from my experience so i can see where you're coming from.
Everything starts with a change, including taking steps to becoming a less shitty human being, something that most schizos on this site could do if they weren't irredeemable.

>>29390658
>>29392842
holy cope
go to /#/ and educate yourself

>>29391149
>CCV is the only relevant measure of popularity.
No they are not. JPs for example have 95% of their audience in japan so they get high CCV when they stream at japanese prime time. Meanwhile EN has their audience spread around the globe and about half of the people are asleep when they stream. That is the reason why Guras VOD views are much higher compared to Pekora who gets 40k CCV but far less VOD views compared to Gura who gets about 25k CCV.

>>29390162
For me it's her over exaggeration on a lot of things, i like bae but even i sometimes go you said it 3 times Bae we get it

>>29413087
ISnt Moomers even louder? Bitch can go from 0 to 900 and blow out eardrums when she was talking at whisper volume one second ago.

>>29420312
mumei's voice is simply more pleasant.

>>29390162
Plenty of potential but unfortunately built her character wrong

>>29390162
Loud, annoying, constantly screeches, cringe shit jokes, a try hard, constantly interrupt others and lusting over Homos way too much.

The only reason she gotten this far is because she is being carried hard by her sex model.

>>29390162
Nothing went wrong really, unless you are talking about numbers.
This rat doesn't really care about em and brought down the mother of all debuffs upon herself and is on track to becoming Ame 2.0.
>Doesn't stream in a consistent timeslot, always jumping around all the time
>Will ALWAYS overlap strong EN girls like Gura or some big collab
>Refuses to spam buff content and instead would rather play obscure VNs until she finishes them
>Jumps on FOTM trends too late after the hype is dead, look at Holocure and Stray
>Inexplicable breaks all the time which kill of interested viewers.
>Most collabs are not on her channel but on other people's
>JP week, nuff said, probably the worst idea ever done by an EN, wouldn't pander to her KR fanbase who y'know ACTUALLY watch her and are a sizable portion of her fanbase.

Bae can get back on track and incline if she uses her brain, that's literally all she needs to do instead of being a dumb rrat
She needs to take some lessons from Fauna and do the same thing she did, find a consistent timeslot, settle in on it and avoid overlaps whenever she can, stick to this for months so she can build up a solid viewer floor otherwise she will never build up a loyal fanbase.
Fauna had a median for 5k for her first 5 months and she did this consistently for months until she got a decent viewership and started inclining.

She also needs to focus on her strengths, gaming isn't really her strong suit so she should do more Febaery-esque style gimmick streams and karaokes and zatsus disguised as minecraft

>>29420312
Mumei can be loud once a while but with Bae is constant nonstop screeching and screaming for her.

>>29420710
I disagree, I think she hasn't been nearly as loud as you making her out to be, her last two chatting streams were extremely chill.

>>29420793
Don't tell em
You actually watch streams so they wouldn't relate

>>29390162
Nothing went wrong, you have to be an objective piece of shit to hate on Bae
This girl is probably the kindest girl in Holoen along with Ame and just a very nice person overall with a genuine love for Hololive and streaming.
She's pretty cute too so that's a plus

>>29390162
The filthy blood in her vein. It made her do despicable things

>>29420793
I don't really care what her solo stream is like, if you like it fine by me. You do you but she ain't for me.

But in collab stream she is horrendously horrible, especially with the minecraft stream. I still remember last time when Gura and Ina was talking and she constantly interrupt them by talking to herself loudly and then continuously yelling and screeching until no one else is talking but her. And today too, with all her constant unnecessary yelling and screaming made the IDs hardly talks and scares them away one-by-one.

>>29421182
Don't drag Ame to her level. Ame is a hard worker and a good leader that is not outshining her members. Maybe likes homo but still professional about it. Ame built her brand well early on too so her fanbase are strong. They're not the same

>>29421627
Actually the ID were talking plenty, they really seemed to enjoy their time and found the mindbreak bit funny. She didn't "scare" them away one by one, Zeta's electricity died, Kaela had a promise to Gura so she logged off and Risu stuck with them.
I don't even think you watched the stream anon, maybe stop reading threads for once.
Mumei was also much louder for be than Bae during that stream so I have no idea what you are on about. Bae was mindbroken for like half the stream and quietly mumbled to herself while the ID girls attempted to cheer her up

The Gura and Ina collab is so fucking ancient, Bae doesn't ignore her collab partners anymore and actively tries to engage with them since she has more experience playing a game and talking at the same time now.
This is not to mention that every non-game collab Bae is in is pretty fun

>>29422510
I never talked about leadership you cunt, the hard worker part applies to Bae to
It does not change the fact that I was talking about her being a genuinely kind and sweet girl which she is, so is Ame in that regard.

>>29390162
I don't hate her, but she's part of the Mori crew, alongside IRyS who I also stopped watching because of it, so I have absolutely no interest in her whatsoever her Miori collab was pretty fun though

>>29420605
I like that you seperated the actual streamers goals from the numberfagging.
Stuff like JP week was definitely a passion project, but I thought it was generally a good time since she was doing regular streams alongside it most days.
With Bae doing KR convention I think she has a big chance to build that existing fanbase that she has so i hope that's a good time for her.
Games wise I think she's getting their, she's not a predominantly a gamer so stuff like cyberpunk that's open world rpg definitely overwhelms her so she's not interacting with chat a lot, but she's definitely found her groove with slower games like Va11halla and Stanley parable where her reactions to the character/s is what the driving force behind the entertainment, also co-op horror games are great.
I think bae creatively is in a real good place, she's just hit some speedbumps so she has to keep getting back up to speed.

>>29420605
Probably the most accurate assessment of her current state ITT, I agree with most of what you said.

She also had a couple of projects in the works no? if she also works on completing those, they could pay off
I also think she should pick up horror games as a staple since Bae's reactions are really fun and viewers want to see her piss herself.

You are all trying to read tea leaves when the reason why she is reclining relative to her peers is that her stream times are inconsistent. This is the biggest detriment to any streamer wanting to gain more views, the algorithm prizes consistency as do viewers that can schedule around her streams.

>>29422858
I think she has a big project coming up, she has already started being more consistent already and this month was pretty rough for her with long periods of breaks

For me Bae is endearing but I don't watch her, since around her Bae month. She sweet, but too loud, she will just scream something that can just be said. Wish her well but just not for me and thats ok.

>>29390162
Her voice. It's grating. Plus the obvious over reactions to things.

>>29420605
Good points anon however I must also add that her streamer room is close to being finished after which she will have a slew of new content such as handcam, ringfit and VR dance streams that she can do.

>>29391255
inb4 this is actually Ame lmfao

>>29422551
Anonchama, I did watched the stream and it was clearly Bae's constant screams and screeches that was so loud that even 4 of my coworkers was wondering what the fuck I was watching during my break and I wouldn't be here complaining on /vt/ because of it.

If you think Mumei was louder than Bae out of all the people, I suggest that (You) should watched the stream with the sound open this time anon because clearly you haven't. And if you think that Bae didn't scare them away with her childish behavior, you are clearly too naive my boy.

>>29390162
Everything after her debut loading screen, which was kinda cool.

Take your /v/-tier garbage post back to /v/

>>29396174
>and the singing voice.
Her singing isn't even that good, Anon. Sounds pleasant, but isn't even the strongest in EN and certainly not in Hololive as a whole.

>>29424200
>ESL
>Threadreader
>Provide examples from stream vs "Just trust me bro! you are naive!"
Yep checks out
One of the rare times Risu joined VC and actually enjoyed herself, really shows who the threadreader is here.

>>29390162
You can only mating-press so often until it gets boring

Everything went right
Best Council member behind Fauna, very fun to watch and super cute, the only critique I have is that she struggles with game commentary, that's about it.

Bae’s still too young. She was kind of cringe in the collab, completely ignoring mumei to draw out her mind break joke, while mumei was setting up jokes for her.

>>29419585
Hook me up with the how to be entertaining and likeable guide when you find one anon

>>29392341
>Bae does not leak on somebody else's bed.

>>29419608
Too big.

>>29390162
I love Cheese, op is a fool

>>29390162
too tight and warm

>>29429617
Bae's jokes were better.

>>29390162
>What went wrong?
For someone that is all about chaos, she is completely off the definition of it. If I wanted to see Chaos than I would just see Hachama or Pekora on a good day. Bae is going about this schtick a bit too safe.

>>29419585
>the "just lift bro" thing is a waste
NGMI

>>29391329
I do not my bae getting near the cum shot eyes whore

>>29429722
Just get a hobby bro. Everyone knows that nobody with a hobby is unlikable.

>>29390162
She doesn't have an identity, same as Kronii
>Idol
Irys
>Entertainer
Gura
>Rapper
Calli
>Zatsudan
Kiara
>Artist
Ina
>Doodler
Mumei
>ASMR
Fauna

I thought Kronii and Bad might team up to do Voicework skits, but they dropped that almost instantly.

>>29431001
Omega's retarded lore completely kneecapped her. Bae might be the nicest girl in EN so making her chaos was stupid.

>>29390162
>BRUH
>OH MY GAWD

>>29431448
Her accent is legitimately cuter the less american she tries to force herself to sound.

>>29390162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqPzDDG0kEE

Some of you guys take this shit way too seriously. On par with drama niggas on twitter.

>>29431373
Arguably the tamest girl in EN aside from her loud voice.
>too dumbfounded when encountering innuendos to be fake
>can’t deal with yabs on stream
>reportedly shy irl

I enjoy it when she has someone to bounce back but can’t watch her when she’s alone.

any members of Bae here? Isnt Bae the leader of holo council? She doesnt act like it. At least, not that ive seen. She also doesnt act like a chaotic rat either. Shes just a chill funny streamer. Its like she has the wrong v tuber model, or rather, the wrong lore.

>>29432722
What the fuck is the "bruh sound effect"??

>>29391193
>Baelz chill streams always do better than her high energy streams.
I still can't understand why HoloEN assigned Bae's RM as chaos incarnate when her PL is clearly a chill chuuba

>>29392172
>2views
2views = 10-99 viewers (2 digits of viewers)
Please learn how to use the term properly

>>29435430
Bae isn't the leader, apparently it's a switch between her, Mumei and Fauna depending on the occasion.
Bae and Mumei tend to work together off-stream
Anyways Bae is not chaotic but she certainly acts like a rat pretty well.

>>29439392
Shut your whore mouth bae
you dumb cunt

>>29420090
hmm this makes too much sense to be a 4chins post

>>29390162
>Extremely loud and annoying
>Cringey zoomer humour
>Constantly yells and screeches or make stupid retarded noises for attention
>Ollie 2.0

>>29391255
with that he will have no reason to watch vtubers and comment on 4chan, those things are for losers lol.

>>29441688
>Carries today's collab with funny setups for scenarios

>>29420090
But is American prime time not comparable to Japanese prime time? EN streamers should have an advantage with such big reach, including the Americas during their stream hours.

>>29390162
Nothing, Bae and Mumei are the only Council worth watching

>>29398027
>Stealing content is endearing
okay

>>29391322
>giving up her cat
What happened to her cat?

She has human ears

>>29441976
She gave her away to some Family friends who are experts on raising cats because the cat's health was deteriorating as an adopted stray and inheriting hereditary diseases from her mum

>>29442087
Ah, that sucks

>>29390162
What are you talking about? she's only getting better
Today's collab would have been a bore to watch if not for the Mason shit she pulled. Her solo zatsus are pretty damn fun now too.

>>29435430
I was but dropped her after she talked to us like children about the stars

>>29413087
The ID Minecraft stuff was unfortunate, she'd obviously seen it before in clips and wanted to reproduce her initial genuine reaction.

Bae is getting bait threads now? she must be doing something right if that's the case

>>29431448
rerely use >NOICE

faux strayan
faux bogan

>>29441839
>Bae
>Funny

>>29442656
Yes she was? in today's collab?
Gonna cry?

extremely loud in collabs(pls stop screaming for like 5 seconds)

>>29443125
Bae has NEVER been loud in non--game collabs
Watch streams nigga

>>29393224
This post is a punch to the gut, because it's actually the truth and not just an anti shitpost.

>>29394468
To be entirely honest with you, the "confidence" you saw at debut was pretty transparently fake in my eyes. If you watched the Homostars debuts, it's similar to Axel's. It's the "be loud, and fake it till you make it" approach.
Of course, if it fooled you and most of the audience it worked, so I can't really fault it.

>>29394653
Yeah, Lui is the tardwrangler, which equates to actual leader in practice. Most of HoloX are self-driven though.

>>29441839
>Bae
>Funny
Ogey

>>29390162
Honestly, her voice irritates methe most. Also, she can't banter and clueless about everything.

>>29395571
Yeah. Fauna is popular on /vt/ right now so most of her fans want to claim they always knew she was going to be great, but if you rewatch her older content and compare with the new, she has actually improved a lot.
Not that she was awful or anything, but the difference between debut and around January is stark. She really stepped up her game. (It's one of the reasons for her incline.)

>>29390162
I like her
Bae a cute
OP a fag

>>29443400
>She really stepped up her game. (It's one of the reasons for her incline.)
What's the actual formula for a Holo to incline?

>>29390162
Honestly, her voice irritates me the most. Other than that is she can't banter and seems to be clueless about everything as she fails to read the atmosphere of the room.

>>29390539
sloppy seconds, everyone /here/ already has

Never got the extremely loud complaint personally
She is pretty chill in zatsu and she only really struggles in game collabs
It's like most people here decided to watch that one SNOT + Bae minecraft collab where she was super loud and just based their entire opinion around that stream

>>29419237
She's like the double whammy: Annoying fake voice like Kiara, but also randomly yells out like Mori.
I've heard Bae's natural voice and it's beautiful. Her temperament too, she seems to be a calm girl that puts on fake enthusiasm because she feels like it's needed. What a waste.

>>29443672
I think people that dislike her may not understand that they just don't like her commentary or content and the loudness thing is a really easy trait to point to for their displeasure.

>>29420090
That's actually a fantastic point. I've always been puzzled over the differences between Pekora and Gura, but this explains the differences.

>>29443672
I think that's most likely it honestly, a common sentiment in this thread is that she lacks banter and is clueless about stuff which can be easily disproved if they were up to date with her streams and watched today's collab where she WENT on in at Mumei.

>>29420312
Mumei's problem is mumbling to herself incoherently. That, and her zoomer audience who spams the psychopath emote to show off how cool and edgy they are.

>>29441840
not everyone have the same free time scedule all over the english speaking globe , USA is spread along 1 large land mass there's like 4-5 timezones in there right?

>>29423328
Voicing your opinion is not reading tea leaves, anon. We're all potential viewers here. I sincerely wanted to like her because I think she's a talented singer, but her on-stream persona filters me.
Sure, a more consistent stream schedule would help, but it doesn't make the other smaller factors less interesting to discuss.

>>29393421
>Zoomer EOPs LIKE "chill/comfy" streamers
They literally don't. I doubt zoomers even bother to watch VODs.

>>29443548
That would depend on their situation. Generally speaking I agree with the others that you want a consistent stream schedule with consistent quality across the board. Build a loyal audience who tunes in every single time.
In Fauna's case, she did this but also got over her initial nervousness and found the courage to banter and make dumb meme references on-stream. At the beginning she was seiso to a fault and it filtered people because they found her boring.
But like I said, it will be different for every Holo. Fauna always had zatsu talent, so she never really needed to improve it, just allow it happen as she opened up. Perhaps if Bae pivoted into something different where she could let her natural strong points shine. (But yes, a more consistent stream schedule would definitely help Bae.)

>>29390162
I like her, she's pretty cute and funny

>>29443869
I watched today collab and it just seemed like she's unintentionally ruin Mumei joke. Maybe this is what zoomer enjoy but to me? Damm girl really doesn't know how to banter.

>>29445574
I watched it too and it just seemed like she was creating setups for Mumei to bounce off of, most notably the Mason bit