/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

men are not women

>>28977196
Lurk more.

>>28977196
LMAO I bet nijikeks hate her so much

>>28977314
Nope, her model and twitter seems to be getting decent traffic and positive comments. There was a couple threads in archive. She's just friendly which is normal for a latino.

>>28977196
>why are nijis being so supportive
Because Hololive stooped to their level and now there's no distinction between the two, meaning that the only advantage Hololive had, which is idol culture, has been destroyed.

They're leeches. They saw the bros get 40k for the debut and are desperately trying to get some of that cake.

Imagine if Lazulight started being replyguys to Myth.

>>28977314
Nah, I'm glad she's nice. I have nothing against Hololive's chuubas, only their fans.

>>28977196
It's a front. Open hostility is unsightly

>>28977445
Nope that's not what I saw in nijien thread

>>28977196
Considering a number of them have surface level insight to Niji, my bet is that they are Holorejects

>>28977574
Rent free faggot

>>28977540
I'm willing to bet hard cash Niji debuts will destroy HomoEN numbers.
Noctyx had 60K last time. And this time people are actually hyped for the chicks.
The homoENs barely gained any subs post debut. If this was holoEN or HoloID they'd be sitting on 250K subs minimum post debut.

>>28977586
/NijiEN/ has had twice it's usual IP count for the past week. I wouldn't take that as indicative of much.

>>28977676
If that makes you feel better, I guess.

>>28977676
Proved his point, holocunt

You know that they have always been supportive of holo in public right? The reason why people are so mad about 'all out war' is that it exposed them as snakes. Heck people would be less mad if they were openly hostile against holo since the beginning.

>>28977695
Debut numbers doesn't mean anything
Noctyx got massive debut numbers, so what?
They flopped in the end
The most important thing is consistent CCV

>>28977695
>I'm willing to bet hard cash Niji debuts will destroy HomoEN numbers.
You are, but your profit rate would be abyssmal. You realize these are fucking Holostars, right? Their JP branch was mogged day 1 by NijiEN. The women.

>>28977196
I mean, I'd want ALL OUT WAR over this cringy shit but eh, I'm not gonna become her anti because of something insignificant like this.
(Actually all out war isn't exactly what I want either, I just want them to be separated and do their own things, like the top HoloJP and top NijiJP, anything is better than smaller vtubers trying to leech off the big ones, unity would be the best but it's simply impossible between Holo and Niji)

>>28977540
They can't leech from people less popular.

>>28977817
The all out war thing was very clearly about the companies competing for the same talent pool by having auditions running at the same time. Stop being retarded.

>>28977314
Nijikeks are promoting unity in their subreddit

>>28977911
I'm not arguing noctyx is better. I'm pointing out that they're doing worse than Noctyx did and are therefore dead on arrival. Then pointing out that the new niji branch actually have people excited about them so there's no point for them to leech, there's nothing to leech.

>>28977196
This girl in particular is a big fan of male chuubas apparently. So it's just her geeking out over them.

>>28977196
We're ready for war, are you?

The real ALL OUT WAR is between Holostars and Hololive

>>28978230
>ignored the kino nijiEN karaoke to watch the homoEN debut
she is a holobrony and probadly a holoreject

>>28977196
I've got nothing against the talents just the Hololive company.

>>28977445
>She's just friendly which is normal for a latino.
I'm latino and I disagree, I'm not friendly.

>>28978544
Her rm had no interest in hololive or anything unrelated to fujoshi/yumejoshi interests. No way she would apply to hololive over nijisanji.

They want the D. Everything else is irrelevant.

>>28977695
>Numbersfag sounds like a schizo arguing with his own shadow using buzzwords
Everytime

>>28978639
Normal Latinos aren't on some burgerkek site watching chuubas, no?

>>28977911
CCV also means nothing to Vod Views.

>>28978156
You do realize that Noctyx had Luxiem's success as backing while HolostarsEN have...Who?
That's the thing. EN audience doesn't watch holostarsJP and even if they did the JP side is very weak in comparison to Luxiem

>>28977196
Debut leeching

>>28978735
Normal latinos also aren't vtubers, this thing isn't popular here

>>28977540
But anon... It's the Nijis who have the bigger numbers. They're just all newcommers debuting around same time, so naturally both groups gravitate towards one another.

>>28978156
Anon Noc rode on Lux's coatails and then squandred it.
It's actually in the air what this new wave is going to get for its CCV and VOD views. Most likely why its a mix-gen for EN since its a good way to generate buzz.

>>28978639
im latino and pretty friendly tbhdesu

>>28977196
These gross whores better stay the fuck away from my pure boys

>>28978717
>>28978807
>>28978958
Let's have this conversation 2 months from now. They're uproar 2.0. Branch dead on arrival.

>>28978898
How do you know that Nijis have bigger numbers? They haven't even debut yet

>>28979060
They have bots. It's a guaranteed 50k-100k

>>28977196
newfag

>Newly debuting vtubers cheer each other on
>It's somehow bad
Holofag and Nijinigger both fear unity. And social interactions, apparently.

>>28977314
Nijibros are unity chads, NijiEN fujos are scum.

>>28979060
I based that on pre-debut subs of both

>>28977695
I don't disagree that Niji debuts will probably top the StarsEN debuts in CCV, but your Noctyx point is shaky at best. People tuned into those because Luxiem did so ridiculously well everyone wanted to see the new boys. Then they flopped. Hype is built by your predecessors setting high expectations. You can only do so much to hype people up yourself because people don't know you yet. To give you an example: Luxiem is Diablo 2. Everyone loves Diablo 2. Then they announced Diablo 3 and the hype was massive. It's gonna be Diablo 2... but better! People flocked to it so hard that the servers broke for a week. It broke records as the fastest selling video game. Then people realized it fucking sucked and stopped playing it. Noctyx is Diablo 3.

>>28977196
women and men are not the same. hell starsjp and nijijp males have collab together serval times before

Well do we have to bring out the pics again Nijiniggers?

>>28979257
How new are you? Holo and Niji has a long history of collabs and friendships older than either companies, if anything HoloEN - NijiEN relations are the outlier.

>>28979133
What are you doing in /vt/ if you don't like free drama?

Wait, Don’t tell me Nijifans are happy about beating Homostars? I mean how retarded can you all be? This is HOLOSTARS. It will be embarrassing if they dont beat them

>>28979420
I'm a holochad and I'm happy that nijis are beating homos. Hope the branch dies.

>>28978993
Anon Altare is set to get 100K subs by the end of next month if not at the end of the collab tomorrow He's nearing 500K vod views on his Debut and almost 100K on his first cover song. All of this with no real buff, as he's not getting the Hololive Brand but the Holostars brand. The girls helped but it was diminished,
Magnai is not that fair behind, and the only thing he didn't do is a cover song, which probably would put him neck to neck with it.
They aren't Dead in the water they are ridin the wave brah

>>28979060
You can check their subs anon. They are higher than HolostarsEN before debut.

>>28977196

Only Holobabs are tribal console war autists.

>>28979392
What fucking friendship? It's one-sided at best. These guys praised Holo from time to time but you can bet your ass that Holo are looking down on these guys and they'll never interact even on twitter.

>>28979627
Just like Production Kawaii have 10 times the subs of Phase Connect with have lower or the same amount of ccv. Bots.

>>28977445
>>28978639
>>28978735
>>28978885
>>28978959
Latinx*

>>28977574
based
nothing wrong with Hololive vtubers but their community is numberfagging, toxic and cancerous

>>28979505
>500K debut
Damn, that's almost half an ID debut.

>>28977196
just wait until someone leak the niji discord server

>>28980105
As if nijiniggers weren't like that too.

>>28977196
Honestly I imagine they saw how hard their senpais fucked up and decided to put active effort into being the opposite of them.

>>28980105
same but nijisanji

>>28977464
>Hololive
>advantage

Niji is already back to being #1 in Japan.

>NijiEN livers starting to get discontent with management
>HoloEN having issues aswell such as Sana and Iyrs
>All out war despite the chuubas being friendly
Maybe she meant Anycolor vs Cover being the war, war forced by 2 corporation by their own greed and all the chuubas being caught up in it.

>>28980276
Now post Holo's revenue

>>28977196
People don't get it. NijiEN6 isn't sucking up to the StarsEN because the stars are more popular (that probably won't be the case). They're sucking up to the boys because it's a possible in to a Holo-adjacent collab, which is practically impossible for a NijiEN with actual HoloENs.

>>28980300
Anyone without severe autism could tell that was obviously what she meant. She made that comment right after the two companies announced their auditions within a day of each other.

>>28977445
Wasn't there drama, that she watched Tempus debuts instead of Fulgur unarchived karaoke?

>>28980340
Hololive is not releasing official stats since they are not on stock market but they are worth about a billion yen in total assets. Not even close to Nijisanji.

>>28980423
You mean they are networking for the future like most people in shared fields.

>>28980456
>drama
People were shitting on Iluna for being the wave that will kill NijiEN due to normalfags, not watching the karaoke was just more fuel to that fire rather than being the reason it started

>>28980456
Few autists shitposting 99% didn't care.

>>28980423
They're being friendly because it makes both sides look good and the animosity between companies largely on exists on this board for schizophrenic indonesian children.
>>28980456
No one cares, she can watch whatever the fuck she wants.

>>28980426
>>28980300
Isn't fucking management in that discord with them? Wouldn't that be EXTREMELY STUPID?

>>28980536
>not releasing their profits publicly
>somehow I know that they are valued 1 billion yens

>>28980597
NijiEN literally has a Discord channel devoted to bitching and whining about Hololive. Of course, HoloEN probably has no animosity, I doubt they've ever really discussed NijiEN in depth.

>>28980105
/jp/ Nijiniggers were the OG numberfags though

>>28980340
anycolor is a public company so we know their revenue but cover is private so nobody has a clear idea and any info you find online is most definitely false or outdated.

>>28980690
>NijiEN literally has a Discord channel devoted to bitching and whining about Hololive.
It says gullible on the ceiling.

>>28980670
They have a private discord without the staff, anon.

>>28980670
No, its their own private discord they made. Management has no hand in it.

>>28980687
Literally check wiki.

>>28980536
>they are worth about a billion yen in total assets
That doesn't sound right, Niji literally get 2.7B yen in profit here >>28980276 it's probably billion dollar, not yen.

>>28980724
Are you claiming the screenshots were doctored?

>>28980767
No, I'm saying you're a retard that will believe whatever you read on here.

>>28977196
twitter interactions mean shit

>>28980763
>numbers from Q4 2019
Extremely outdated, like the anon said

>>28980763
Do you realize that that data is likely to be outdated? The last time they gave a report was in 2020.

>>28980767
>venting channel
That what it is, not sure how your mental gymnastics got you to thinking it was something else

>>28977196
who cares about either of those anyway?

>>28980851
...And what were they "venting" about?
I promise you there's no chance HoloEN has a venting channel where they talk about NjiEN. I'd bet $1000 that Gura probably couldn't name a single NijiEN by full name.

>>28978081
The Niji’s have been trying to bring that sub Reddit back from the dead, but when Reddit is 47% Americans and your fanbase is mostly from South East Asia, it’s not going to Work. There’s a reason Hololive sub Reddit has more activity. More burgers.

>>28980670
No, Nijisanji officially uses Slack for work. That Discord channel was made by the livers themselves.

>>28980925
>...And what were they "venting" about?
The gay one was literally venting about being depressed in that same pic you tard

>>28980925
>has a Discord channel devoted to bitching and whining about Hololive.
meds, they have things to complain about other than hololive

>>28977259
fpbp

>>28980925
>Gura probably couldn't name a single NijiEN
What does that even prove? Gura is a disaffected self-saboteur that can't even be assed to tell her viewers when she's taking a break, much less acknowledge the outside world in any form.

Management is literally the only ones intent on preventing the 2 EN branches from collabing, pieces of shit

>>28980968
Mysta isn't the gay one, I think the gay one is Uki. Mysta is depression boy

>>28980925
They can vent about plenty of shit in a general venting channel, including Hololive. That doesn't mean it's a channel dedicated to bitching about Hololive, like you said.

>>28980767
Even in that screenshot you could see people talking about other shit. The conversation veered into Mysta having a menhera meltdown right as the screenshot ended.

>>28980925
Gura probably can't name even half her own company.

>>28981065
Recent evidence indicates it's probably coming from the NijiEN side. Why? Who knows

>>28981065
It's been a year, what the hell are they still afraid of?

>>28977196
>mexican monkey spic trying to leech from holo
These nijiniggers are pathetic

When will holobronies stop projecting their toxicity onto other companies? This is getting out of hand.

>>28981257
The Pomu birthday message thing seems pretty bunk after Pomu just did an entire stream commenting on Hololive merch, directly referencing their streamers by name.

>>28979206
i hope wave6 is diablo immortal

>>28981329
The other clue is the Ollie collab getting canceled. HoloID isn't under HoloEN management, and there's clearly no company-wide ban since HoloJP collabs with nijis sometimes.
The common factor seems to be NijiEN.

>>28981293
As shit as they are, plenty of Nijifans can be toxic little shits, too. Tribalfaggotry is a problem on both sides.

>>28981401
Isn't the simplest explanation that NijiEN specifically is banned?

>>28981452
... by ID management? Why?

>>28981474
Company-wide. NijiEN has been ok collabing with every other corp but Hololive, and Hololive is the one they stand to gain the most from, why the fuck would the block be coming from Niji's side?

None of the stars are replying back because nijishills are already on standby waiting to flood shillposts on the holo subreddit with the tiniest justification.

Posts like >>28978081 were attempted in the Holo subreddit as well. If that was allowed, any random 2view could be shilled on the Holo subreddit once they replied to some random Holo tweet.

"All out war" is very real, it's just not being fought publicly.

>>28981415
>we didn't start this fire
Yeah, both are deep into tribalfaggotry, hell we do it within our own ranks very severely. Just from our perspective holofans are worse due to that fact we tried to be peaceful when NijiEN came about initially and were met with disdain and hatred because we existed. In our eyes, this tribalfaggotry is a result of Holofans constantly shitting on our oshi's, not that it justifys it though.

>>28980105
>numberfagging
you should actually go to /#/ and see how numbernijis actually act

>>28981728
/#/ is literally a hololive circle jerk, tf you are talking about?

>>28981728
Here let me take something for the NijiEN OP
>Reminder to ignore bait, shitposting, samefags, discordfags, numberfags, tribalfags and falseflaggers.
We fucking hate numberfags with a passion, they don't care about the chuubas other than to shitpost with them.

>muh bots
That's how you know they from /#/ therefore just wasting time arguing with them

>>28978993
English makes a big difference anon.
HomoJP were simply rehashing an existing one, but there's a new audience in EN.

>>28981602
>None of the stars are replying back because nijishills are already on standby waiting to flood shillposts on the holo subreddit with the tiniest justification
He replied literally to this tweet. Can you please try to talk about something that you know and not what voices in your head tell you

>>28980766
It's on wikipedia from their 2019 financial report. 780 million yen total assets. They are probably much more today but still nowhere near Niji.

>>28981841
>>28981801
again, go see for yourself. are you trying to claim that the numberfags in that thread are just holokeks larping as nijis just for tbe sake of numbers? i would believe it but that's ridiculous.

>>28981415
Toxicity on its own isn't that bad, its the audacity of their projection that bothers me. Holofans project their idol culture onto Nijisanji even though that's not what Nijisanji is about. That's never been what Nijisanji's about. But Holofans will still whine and complain the moment any liver does something that doesn't meet their retarded expectations. They want Nijisanji to be just like Hololive, and will bitch and bitch until they get their way.

To make matters worse, they have the audacity to cry foul the moment Hololive begins to emulate Nijisanji. They don't see the hypocrisy, because they're spoiled children who've never been told no.

It's been proven that NijiJP is so inferior to the point that if they're dumb enough to collab with Holo, they'll lose viewers, so no reason to ban them, same with ID. But for NijiEN, that isn't the case, they're not even 2 years old yet, there's a chance that Holo will lose something by collabing with them, so Cover choose to ban the collab, the safe route, rather than going all out war route, and there's nothing wrong with that. Pomu can cry all she wants, she isn't gonna get to leech Kiara.

>>28981944
They are soooo behind Niji in profit, it isn't even funny. Retards here think that Cover can afford to get better rigging and models, when they were small corpo until recently. They are currently investing money in tech, so they are cutting on L2D models

>>28981265
My rrat is that there's some people high in the chain of both companies that have a personal vendetta against each other for whatever reason, and they're using the their talents to play out their little bitchfight. They force management to deny collabs and prevent talent camaraderie with each other purely because they refuse to let their respective company boost each other

>>28980670
Nope, they were using their official Niijsanji Discord accounts in a private server without management oversight.
Yes it is hilarious.
Yes, they still haven't bothered shutting it down.

>>28981968
ahhh yes the good old "it's cover blocking collabs with niji".

I want them to be united, so tribalfags from both sides can go kill themselves.

Piece of shit nijiniggers are trying to cloutchase because their debuts has been dogshit disasters LMAO

DIE NIJINIGGERS FOR STARTING THIS WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE

>>28981954
Again, we hate numberfag, don't care if they're nijifans or not, they're fucking cancer. They get told to fuck off regardless of context. Numberfags are a blight that shitpost for entertainment, not saying there isn't nijifans there just that numberfags are a blight.

>>28981968
>It's been proven that NijiJP is so inferior to the point that if they're dumb enough to collab with Holo, they'll lose viewers

LOl. LMAO even. Hololive was on top for a while but now they are getting fucked even in ccv, the only metric they generally had over Anykara in the last two years. Revenue and income wise Cover was never on par with them.

>>28977314
Only Holofags hate unity and support, Nijifans unironically like other corpos or talents grow

>>28981257
China, it's always been China.
This show was in November 2021 btw, right after Kiara's first Pomu collab request got rejected (where she was reluctant to name which side rejected it, despite having no qualms about shitting on EN management).

>>28982218
Here is your top talent getting mogged by Salome. Have fun.

>>28980035
Kill yourself commie

>>28982135
why are you happy about this goofball, you will never see a cent of that money

>>28982135
Niji shits out new wave of streamers every other week who all need managers who need higher up managers, staff etc. It's more likely that Cover has more money per member than Niji.

>>28982327
Yes retard this is why they are allowed to collab with Vshojo who now have the Taiwan Dragon. Stop coping everybody knows it's holo management banning collabs with their main competition.

>>28982316
i don't think nijis hate unity. just hate unity with niji and vshojo. if VSPO was streaming with holos all the time no one would care

>>28982218
>STARTING THIS WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE
Too bad Nijisanji never started shit, and your gaslit propoganda can't see that

>>28977196
>pomu's potaku collection review
>she names all the holos when she sees them
>kept saying Amelia is cute
>showed some ayamefag's schizo collection
Idk bro, seems like things are tightening up on Holo's side but loosening on Niji.

bonus:
>also showed some guy's gun collection and read his message about wanting to produce and sell his own guns

>>28982188
Niji's management probably don't want the collab to happen either, since you know, they'll lose viewers to Hololive if they collab. The difference is NijiJP's management never do their jobs while NijiEN's might be blocking Holo collab for their own good.

>>28982465
That anon coulda made it less cringy if he said he was a gunslinger cats fan

>>28977314
/NijiEN/ imploded because the new gen were watching the debuts instead of an unarchived karaoke.

>>28977196
ALL OUT PEACE LMAO

>>28982411
Niji streaming model is completely different. Niji managers barely do shit and let talents do pretty much everything they want. Cover works more like typical Idol company with strict rules and shit.

>>28982333
>Throws shit on the wall 100 times
>It sticks the 101st time
Congrats I guess

>>28982367
>why are you happy
???
Talk to voices in your head less, I am sad that peoples expectations from Cover are too high

>>28981474
... I just had a very weird idea for a rrat... hear me out.
So back during the HoloCN era, Cover needed local Chinese management personnel in order to assist the HoloCN girls with their streams and events and stuff.
During the Taiwan yab, these personnel tried to spread FUD among the CN girls that they would get to keep their models after graduation, which was never the plan.
After nuking HoloCN, all of these personnel (either one guy or several, whoever were involved in the shitstirring) were obviously Blacklisted by Cover, and since they pulled out of the Chinese market, they no longer had any reason to work with them.

What if... one of those folks (or even the main guy behind HoloCN) got into NijiEN management and is in a prominent position? What if that's the reason for the company-wide blacklist of NijiEN?

>>28977196
>Two new vtuber interact nicely
>Somehow /vt/ think it's a problem
This place never not makes me laugh

>>28982218
calmest holofag

>>28982327
>Holo and Niji JPs and IDs continue to collab despite the taiwan incident originating from the JP branch
>Vshojo not blacklisted after the originator of the drama joins the company
I'd sooner believe the "Noor blocks collabs out of spite" rrat than the China rrat.

hololive is too scripted. it takes in a form of authoritarian christ cuckery trying to damage your soul. you are all fools

>>28982611
It just puts into perspective how much of a shithole this place is.

>>28982509
Not really, an actual implosion is much more severe, what you saw is just a continuation of doomposting. An actual implosion is awful and it last happened when people thought Luxiem was getting their 2nd outfits because of their new song teasers. Default state of that thread during burger hours is notoriously bad, SEA hours are unironically when the thread is comfy since SEAsisters are nice people

>>28982494
>since you know, they'll lose viewers to Hololive if they collab

It's the other way around you complete idiot. HoloEN is much bigger in the west so it's their fanbase that would be seeing new vtubers for the first time. NijiEN is in constant incline while HoloEN numbers are going down, why the fuck would Nijis be afraid? It's 100% Cover blocking it.

>>28982333
okay, now show her recent numbers numberfag. gura killer got killed by fucking gura

>>28981906
https://twitter.com/ScarleYonaguni/status/1550297659524595714

>>28982598
I can subscribe to this rrat, it also explains how hard NijiEN is starting to cater to the Chinese market

>>28982775
Can you explain this one /vt/sister

>>28982419
> Kiara allowed to send b'day message
> Pomu not allowed to play it
I don't recall Cover buying Anycolor yet

>>28982736
>debuff game vs buff game on return stream

LOL. Salome slaughters all holos with vod numbers Gura and Pekor included. And Pekora is hard carrying Hololive's ccv stats by herself.

>>28982723
>HoloEN is much bigger in the west so it's their fanbase that would be seeing new vtubers for the first time
True, but they'll never jump ship to Niji. Meanwhile Nijifags who know about Holo but have never tried watching them because they're tribalfags, get to watch Holo for the first time in that NijiHolo collab, they'll jump ship and become fans of Holo

>>28982869
>they will listen to this and claim that cover told them last minute to not play it

>>28982868
LMAO they obviously can't use mag to shill on the Holo sub, every comment will just be magging out.

>>28977314
/nijiEN/ spy here I can attest that the sisters and fags HATE Aia and Scarle for tweeting to tempus instead of liveposting about the unarchived branch karaoke yesterday.
Plus there's a storm of hate brewing for Kyo for being a normie react streamer and not a vtuber.

Everyone hating on Iluna is being pants-on-head retarded at the moment, seems like NijiUnity is a farce.

>>28982775
https://twitter.com/axelsyrios/status/1550838299337818119

>>28982946
>but they'll never jump ship to Niji

Proven wrong time and time again. Niji general is full of people who jumped ship. NijiEN's numbers are growing for a reason.

>>28982598
That's bullshit, but I believe it

>>28982946
Complete delusion. NijiEN has better streamers. HoloEN is still on top only because they secured the market first.

>>28977445
Scarle is asian

>>28982946
Nijifags ARE former Holofags you fucking subhuman. Holofags ARE jumping ship.

>>28981602
>None of the stars are replying back
OH NO NO NO

>>28982494
What retarded logic is this? The vast majority of the NijiEN girls' fans are/were fans of HoloEN. I jumped ship last year, a PomuTori, collab is not gonna make me drop Pomu Selen Elira and Enna and switch back to Hololive. The only Nijifans who have never touched Holo are the sisters brought in by Luxiem, and they're a completely different market. Idiot.

>>28982494
>they'll lose viewers to Hololive
Nonsense. Hololive is the gateway to vtubing, they're the first thing Youtube recommends you when you get interested in vtubing. Everyone starts out watching something Hololive-related. If you're a nijifan, it's because you're either already also a holofan, or you're done with that phase and left to find something different. The Youtube algorithm being how it is means Nijisanji doesn't get first dibs on fans, losing fans to others is a Hololive issue specifically.

>>28983211
>nails emoji
Oh he's a poof

>>28983245
Except if you got into vtubers in 2019 you were more likely to get Shizurin clips than Hololive, newfag-kun.

>>28982465
Some people keep grasping at straws for that birthday video message from Kiara that Pomu didn't read. But the thing is if there is indeed a collab ban from the Holo side is that management is likely unsure if they can show videos showcasing Holo Live2D withouth the VOD being taken down. That's probably how bad the block from the Holo side is.

>>28983105
Holy cope. it was nice before Luxiem, but after it got really shit. Blatant favoritism is really unpleasant, and endless collabs tired me out. I dropped Pomu, Rosemi, Elira and Selen because of this.

>>28982946
Former Holofag here, you are wrong. NijiEN is far better than HoloEN ever was. I still watch HoloJP but pretty much ignore EN outside occasional Gura or Fauna. Nijis are not only much better at games they also stream more and longer and their collabs are 10x better.

>>28983339
Except we're halfway done with 2022, and my statement has been true for the past 2 years at least. Rin never even tried to capitalize on her 15 minutes of western fame, and the couple thousand people who became aware of her back then are nothing compared to the scale of the western vtubing scene today, for whom Hololive is often the only thing they know unless they actively go looking for the other corpos, indies etc.

>>28983036
Good job spy
Keep working

>>28982946
False
Maybe you've never visited the nijiEN thread ,its like a fucking GLOBAL 2.0

>>28978061
No. It's just a bit. Their life & career exists to entertain me. Same goes for the respective companies as a whole. Dance for MY entertainment, monkeys.
NEVER SUBSCRIBE
NEVER SUPERCHAT
NEVER MEMBER
NEVER WATCH STREAM
ONLY WATCH CLIPS

>>28982723
>NijiEN is in constant incline while HoloEN numbers are going down
Show me a graph

>>28982723

>>28983348
Could be something as simple as copyright issues. Cover and Anycolor are japanese corpos, we all know how anal they are about permissions, licensing etc. Pomu playing a full video made by Kiara, a Hololive asset, featuring her voice and model and everything, in a livestream monetized for the benefit of Pomu/Nijisanji/Anycolor, isn't actually kosher without an explicit permission from Cover/Hololive. If NijiEN weren't able to get one in time, they would've had to play it safe and prevent Pomu from playing it.

>>28984863
I doubt it's a copyright issue.

>>28977196
holostar =/= hololive

>>28977196
>supportive
they are leeching anon

>>28985047
Pomu really rolled with all of the Hololive stuff being shown and made things a lot less awkward than it could've been

They are more supportive of their competition that of their senpais kek

>>28977574
Nijifans who are frequent in 4chan have no right to call Holobronies toxic whatsoever. Your own fanbase didn't hesitate for a moment to call Towa a whore, Luca's cock sucker, bitch and other stuff, completely forgetting the fact that she was the one who went out of her comfort zone and saved his stupid ass. She was the one who had clean up his mess and not even one of you showed any form of appreciation.

>>28977812
>holocunt
the irony...

>>28986378
take your medications sir

>>28977196
>lets getit squad
Hes a nigger

>>28977574
this your fanbase?

>>28983312
Yes. Unironically. The man is bisexual.

>>28986597
it's morally ok to hate on Mori so I don't get what your point is

>>28986378
Nijis are the original talentless backstabbing whores, though. They're holorejects who form cliques, bully each other and harass vtubers from other corpos. Nijisanji is manjisanji, tranjisanji, and zhangisanji, and their fans are vile niggers with zero exceptions.
Holos are... something? And their fans are bronies, I guess?

>>28986597
Are you implying holofags associate with their discordfags?

>>28986864
Huh? I thought the timeline was that the Hololive girls leeched off of Nijisanji originally when Hololive was smaller, then detached when it started affecting their idol image.
Ironically a lot of Hololives current success can also be attributed to the efforts of Chinese translators which is hilarious.

>>28986864
Seethe harder faggot kek

>>28987186
Thanks for admitting you celebrate mediocrity, nijinigger.

>>28983211
Uh anon?

>>28986864
this post absolutely reeks of mental illness.
is this nijisanji in the room with us right now?

The "all out war" only exists on this board between my numberfags and SEAs with nothing else going on in their lives.

>>28987054
the hologirls "leeched" off the nijis when niji was more popular, they only really detached when they became more popular then niji

>>28986597
holy shit these discords actually exist I thought these were just folklore boogiemen that people used to shirk blame onto. that's fucking funny

>>28977196
If nijis can suck off the Stars and show holomerch in stream without getting graduated, then by process of elimination it must be an issue with Hololive EN management.

>>28978807
>have...Who?
HoloEN success? you fucking dumb? you think those 40k were women watching their debuts?
It was a bunch of curious holofags, fans with cocks you know?

>>28977196
Company wars exist only in the minds of the numberfags and /v/ermin that infest this board. Reminder that more often than not, the roommates are behind your oshi are all friends behind the scenes, regardless of the company they work for.

>>28979505
>as he's not getting the Hololive Brand but the Holostars brand
Regis 40,625 Live viewers / 13,283 Chatters
Magni 43,574 Live viewers / 13,880 Chatters
There was more nijiEN overlappers than StarsJP

>>28987779
If the Hololive and Holostars audience had any intersection StarsJP wouldn't be 2 views

>>28988508
To be fair Stars JP also chase specific niche audience, female otaku that buys merch. That type of audience actually don't really consume the main content but prefer going to events and buy plastics. These are the same audiences that buys everything Basara / Tales of but not their games

>>28977540
>40k
Anon you realize noctyx had almost 80k ccv right? I think the two holos that debuted last night were great, but don't think the nijis are after such low numbers.

>>28988508
We're talking EN, not JP.

>>28989213
66k is a far cry from 80k lol

>>28989213
The StarsEN are enjoying a temporary CCV buff from the holobox. I think they might actually beat ILUNA in debut numbers, NijiEN numbers are still tiny compared to Hololive, and there is no nijibox to boost them. They'll win in longevity, of course, as the holobox won't stick around beyond the first week.

>>28989380
Oh I thought it was 76k. Damn you're right, if it's ONLY 66k then I suppose they should be aiming for a fraction of that 40k pie after all. Thanks anon.

shitposting on this board used to be fun but StarsEN outright made it into /v/ overnight where discord raids by astroturfers shit up the entire board

>>28989515
>I think they might actually beat ILUNA in debut numbers, NijiEN numbers are still tiny compared to Hololive, and there is no nijibox to boost them.
complete fucking retard. Holostars never even reached 100k likes on their debut announcement. Iluna reached that number in less than 24 hours.

>>28981954
>i would believe it but that's ridiculous.
It's tho, you just need to ask one simple question about niji and they will go silent, there's a reason no one talks about niji stream when they have the biggest number that day but when there's a hololive event, the thread becomes a chat room

>>28989515
>I think they might actually beat ILUNA in debut numbers
Utterly delusional post

>>28986597
Seem like holobronies bot server to me

>>28987054
I mean yeah

>>28989585
>>28989631
Just watch. Noctyx got a huge debut CCV buff as a hand-me-down from Luxiem's success, but they pissed those numbers away. They were completely abnormal for NijiEN to begin with. ILUNA males will hit just below 40k, the girls will struggle to approach 30k.

>>28988380
>There was more nijiEN overlappers than StarsJP
Because there is more holoEN overlaps with nijiEN girl than nijiJP.

>>28989809
>making an obvious grudgepost for fucking stars of all things

>>28989748
numbers thread is the worst thing to exist on this site.
it only encourages shit like this. The thread shouldn't exist. Back in hlg most of the time numberfags were mocked, now they have a safe space all to their own to plan all sort of dumb shit in it with no opposition in it

>>28989809
NijiEN literally had a nearly 30k karaoke stream overlapping with Stars debuts. You're completely delusional.
I feel bad for Stars that people like you just use them as a bludgeon to shit on the competition when it just makes Niji fans less likely to give them a chance.

>>28989884
Genuinely not my intention, just a gut feeling. I'm a nijifag, but I'm not rooting for the failure of anyone. I just don't believe NijiEN is actually competitive against Holo-anything; they exist inevitably downwind of them.

>>28989961
This, it’s hard to tell at this point if they’re actually niji or stars antis

>>28990134
Im sure they hate vtubing in general

>>28989809
Debut numbers do not matter, like what you said for Noctyx but as well for Council. Iluma will still beat stars in debut numbers regardless. If we were talking about EN3 vs Iluma, then we're on an even playing field, but stars is a small branch and even this was the biggest thing to happen to them.

CCV in a month time is what is interesting and that's anyones game in stars vs lluma

>>28986378
>THE HOLOKEK
>chimps out like a monkey, gets BTFO, begrudgingly apologizes in a half-crying murmur before crawling back into his hole

>the NIJISANJI BVLL
>doesn't apologize
>quintuples down
>refuses to elaborate
>gets away with it

>>28977259
Based

>>28989748
Who said those are holofags?

>>28989930
Seethe about it, there's no rule against numbers, and if you lurked more and learned to filter things with your head, the place can have decent info.

>>28986864
Sanest holobrony I've ever met, it only goes down from here.

This thread isn't even about numbers

>>28984208
HoloEN numbers aren't going down but their growth has obviously plateaued
NijiEN is still obviously inclining

>>28990748
numberrot claims many

>>28990504
Extend this logic to everything then, nothing is said by Nijifags or Holofags, its all mentally ill schizos with nothing better to do

>>28990790
nijiEN is grinding slow and steady as God intents

>>28990879
/#/ isn't a dedicated general to any company though.

>>28990594
most ppl filter it and that's the problem.
but it won't stop those retards from organizing shit like mass reporting or botting vtubers
it has to be removed so they won't have a place
this board is about btubers not about numbers associated with vtubers

>>28990790
Sub growth is a meme thanks to Gura and Salome. VOD views and CCV are more relevant when figuring out if someone is plateauing or not.

>>28991110
They never organized anything. It's always one or two retards.

>>28989748
say that again without crying kek

>>28979060
Niji is a much bigger brand than Holostars. Surprises can always happen, but it's unlikely. Only HoloEN debuts mog NijiEN debuts.

>>28991042
They are definitely biased towards Hololive. They'll talk about Hololive stream content while it's happening, but when Nijisanji streams get big numbers they'll just shitpost about "lmao Nijisanji/Kuzuha/Salome mogging Hololive" without mentioning anything about the streams themselves, because they only want an excuse to shit on something and don't care about Nijisanji.

>>28977196
Why don't you ask the Nijis what happened, they're the one who said it

>>28991183
>Mass reported Noctyx pre debut for "botted subs"
>Reported Vox's ASMR
>Reported Uki's karaoke
>Botted Millie's stream to "prove" that Anycolor bots Luxiem
And a lot more I probably don't know about. What's up with the high concentration of retards in the numbers thread? Seems like it's a lot more than just one or two.

>What happened to ALL OUT WAR
exactly, these snakes are trying to clear that image off the company

>>28977196
Nijisharts really can't go 5 seconds without leeching, can they...?

>>28993362
>snakes
are you implying that its a bad thing?
if so, me too 2bdesu
t.nijinigger

>>28993498
>leeching from someone less popular than you

>>28993875
It's about the brand, Anon. Not the individual. And the new nijiniggers haven't even debuted yet. If they end up like the previous EN's they'll fade into obscurity within 2 months.

>>28992506
>Only HoloEN debuts mog NijiEN debuts.
After Wave 6 that may not be true anymore. Council debuts didn't even break 100k and HoloEN's viewership has declined since then due to covid normies going back to work.

Kuzuha literally retweeted Coco's graduation stream.
Suisei literally promoted Raindrops in an interview she did for what songs she liked the most.
Marine and Ange Katrined collab'd with no problems.
Suisei/Toko/Hachaama/Hoshikawa both invited each other to there 3D/paid 3D lives.
Some of them have been long time friends since the NND days.

The only tribalism that exists is between the demented fans.

>>28994207
This. NijiEN really did attract a bunch of whimpering babies who feel like they're being persecuted because the evil other side has more viewers

>>28994052
The holostars brand is in a far worse position than nijiEN. These aren't holoEN girls, they are dude who can only pray to catch an audience.

>>28994122
>normies

>>28982263

>>28994207
>Kuzuha literally retweeted Coco's graduation stream.
but deleted cuz chinks

>>28994122
not even Nijisanji JP debuts get over 100k lmao.
Only has Holo has achieved this.

>>28977196
>OP only shows peace and friendship
>The entire thread is shitflinging and tribalism
Why are you guys like this?

Iluna has been drinking their juice.

>>28994423
Why do we consider Nijisanji competition again?

>>28994207
Unfortunately one of those demented tribalist fans got into NijiEN, treated their discord like the catalog, nobody had the balls to tell him how retarded he was being, and it leaked on stream
That sequence of events has made the schizos here substantially worse

>>28977196
I hate it. This bitch better stay with her otome games and let the brotubers alone.

But guys, if you are here you need to pick a side, you can't just like Hololive and Nijisanji at the same time, and no one else should be able to like both too! the mentallity of /vt/

>>28993220
Holy shit, take your fucking meds. I saw a retard trying to report things, and guess what? I didn't do anything because I don't care, and most anons there don't care either, the people that care are a loud minority.

>>28977196
The all out war was never between the talents, it was only between the compagnies. Livers and holomem always talked with each others on twitter. Some even want to collab with each others

>>28993031
>They are definitely biased towards Hololive
The majority of this board is a holofag.
>when Nijisanji streams get big numbers they'll just shitpost about "lmao Nijisanji/Kuzuha/Salome mogging Hololive" without mentioning anything about the streams themselves, because they only want an excuse to shit on something and don't care about Nijisanji.
Shitposters don't care about anything.

>>28980035
Callen a este imbecil porfa

>>28995315
Most of them don't.

>>28994423
>numberschizo chart
>straight up admits to doctoring BETWEEN holos
If /#/ serves any purpose whatsoever is that 'containment' threads are about as useful as using your kitchen to 'contain' a cockroach nest from spreading to the rest of the house.

>>28997785
?

>>28995315
It was never between the companies either, unless you think Toko snuck into Suisei's sololive without telling them

>>28997915
>>28994423
>/holonumbers/ thread's doctored numbers
kek, holotrannies in /#/ never cease to amaze me

>>28989802
Choco-sen used to be a honorary Niji back then lol

>>28999382
Can you read anon
The point of that chart is all of the hololive numbers are altered to be worse, some of the niji numbers are altered to be better, and hololive is still on top

>>28978639
I’m latino and while I normally don’t talk to people, if you start the conversation then I’m pretty friendly.

>>28995315
>The all out war was never between the talents, it was only between /vt/ niggers
Fixed.

>>28994423
>holobronies are resorting to using fake statistics in order to "own the nijitards".
absolute state

>>28977196
Kinda pathetic that NIJICHADS are more unity for the new holoboys than their own members. The chad support nijibros vs the virgin "I will never watch them" chicken

>>29000492
Those aren't fake statistics >>28999679

>>28994423
The second real data gets posted all the Niji fans in the thread go into automatic deflection and damage control mode
You know, NijiEN having a big Chinese fanbase makes sense because you guys sure act like the Chinese do online

>>28978639
I'm latino and if you come up to me and don't look like a crack addict i'll be pretty friendly back

>>28980035
Die of a heart attack

>>28977196
They're trying to leech.

>>28977196
Not like most of their senpai will support these poor boys. NijiEN would pretty much adopt them if they were somehow exempt from the NijiEN-HoloEN collab ban.

>>28977259
this

>>28977196
>What happened to ALL OUT WAR
never existed

>>28986597
oh no no no no niji"sisters"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V2VTyxLNeY

>>28977259
This. They're manjisanji.

>>28977314
>gossip-tier speculation
Do /vt/sisters really?

>>28977314
They should, it's free advertising for a group that should have been buried from the get go.

>>28983036
>he thinks Nijikeks are the ones perpetuating the all out war
lol, lmao even.
>t. regular /nijiEN/ threadreader

>>28989748
OH NO NO NO HOLOSISTERS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>>28993031
>definitely biased towards Holo
anon, HoloEN is the sole reason for this board's existence. You would think there's a bias towards the corpo that brought this board into existence.

>>29002011
>anyone who doesn't lick Yagoo's boots is a chink

>>29029498
Yes