/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>28761147
You're supposed to love your oshi.
Doesn't she have magic?

>>28761147
It all felt fresh and novel because that's when you were getting into it. This is like how everybody thinks the best pokemon game is the one they played when they were 7.

Nothing will ever beat endlessly looping 2Snacks EEKUM BOKUM when it dropped.

>>28761147
because vtubers are not pushing the medium and using it to it's fullest extent, they are just normal streamers and ethots with an avatar.
3D should become the standard, live2D is fucking soulless.

ITT: newfags outing themselves

>>28761260
>2020
>smol smol turtle

>2022
>lol Ina's back is sexy super funny right

where did it all go so wrong

The MAGGENING

>>28761147
Aside from the big Graduations, JP still feels pretty much the same to me since ~2 years ago. EN has gotten ridiculously lazy tho.

>>28761423
Fuck you magfrog poster.

>>28761147
Things feel more fresh and novel when they're new to you, that's just how that works. This reminds me of that other thread where people are acting like anime suddenly became boring in the last 3 years. No, anime has always been like that, you just grew out of it.

Gura is the only one left still with the magic touch
Vtubing has gone to shit because of the way the popular indies act all lewd making it the cool new meta so everyone else has to do the same, even nijisanji, fucking cringe. Let's hope the new holostars can help bring some of the magic back.

The magic feels gone because you're jaded and eternally /here/
Been watching vtubers ever since Kizuna Ai played Superhot. Magic's not gone, you're just a faggot

>>28761423
>saves vtubing
>heh nothin personnelle

>>28761627
>lets hope holostars can bring some of the magic back

>>28761277
3D is better than live2D, yes, but it's not the answer. We need to return to pngtubing. Girls who succeed without the crutch of a model actually develop enough talent to be worth watching.
Shouts out to Inksiee on Twitch. She has live2D now, but she didn't lose the talent.

>>28761637
you know she wasn't the first vtuber. 7 yrs ago british graphic designers created the idea of layering characters in photoshop then animating them in Adobe animator and Facerig was the first tracking app not Vtuber stuff actually. I see people gatekeeping all the time saying it was invented based on japan anime.. lol no. They actually took the exact same techniques and took it to live2d which is a japan software being used already for animation of 2d. And since Vtuber has blown up Live 2d has had like 6 updates to keep up with the demands. It was never fuckin created by japs. . remember this.

>>28761788
Literally who asked. I didn't say anything about who invented what, I just said -I- started watching vtubers since Kizuna Ai started, and still enjoy it
Retard

>>28761277
What the hell are you talking about? Pushing what? What could they do more?

>>28761277
I think this post really hits the nail on the head. streaming in general naturally trends towards "authenticity" related content which is interpreted as have no filter by the mindless drones and whores. vtubing needs less authenticity and more performance/character. Korone is probably the best example of vtubing done right

>>28761208
>2020
>New, fresh, talented chuubas debut with good relationships
>Companies see the profit and start mass producing chuubas
>Bar is lowered so much any schizo could get into the industry
>2021-2022
>The fresh and talented chuubas burn out, their relationships worsen, they get into more and more yabs, their creativity erodes
>Companies keep mass recruiting chuubas with zero talent just to meet numbers
Everything going mainstream always loses the magic than when it was niche and when it was in the control of actually skilled people. There are still entertaining chuubas and gamer chuubas. Focus on them and you'll find the magic back.

>>28761147
>2020
fuck off, holoEOP

>>28761941
full 3D tracking at home, something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMS6zofOIPk
more concerts, dancing and gaming things like ring fit or just dance, but will a full 3D model instead of some wobbling 2D image.
add in props that react to the model, objects in the vtubers room that are tracked and it will make for better streams.
and like >>28762107 says, more of a character and or performance, i don't give a fuck about some bitch droning on about her mundane life or repeating the same overused meme again and again while barely playing a video game.

>>28762311
>i don't give a fuck about some bitch droning on about her mundane life or repeating the same overused meme again and again while barely playing a video game.
we are lucky to get that, so many of these new vtubers are just reacting to shit, and not even interesting shit, absolute bottom of the barrel normie meme compilations. its sickening

>>28761147
I mean, how long can "basic bitch streamer girl plays basic games for a few hours" be fresh and novel, until the only added unique gimmick of "...but she does it with an ANIME AVATAR!!" loses all its luster?

Also, disillusionment and boredom is a general effect from staying in any medium too long after the initial first time honeymoon period wears off and the reality sets in of how you've basically have seen everything and 99% is just shit. It's the same thing when you grow over or out of anime or gaming and become a jaded old fuck.

Reconsider what you originally wanted to get out of watching vtubers in the first place, and look around if someone still delivers what you enjoy (given how many vtubers there are nowadays, chances are there will be at least a few that match your tastes, especially if you're willing to expand your horizons beyond what's already popular. Or if you feel nothing anymore, just drop it altogether and move on, no shame in that, it's your own limited lifetime and there's no point wasting it sticking around in something you don't enjoy

>2019/2020 tourists """"reminiscing""""

>>28762198
Cope

>>28761147
>2020 spike
>fresh and novel
Go hang yourself with a rope you goddamn newfaggot. You're a part of what went wrong with Hololive and I'm glad that you don't find vtubers fun anymore. Good fucking riddance, kill yourself.

>>28761308
>>28762198
>>28762772
vtubing before hololive was complete drivel, kazuna AI was boring and so were the other forgotten popular ones back then. it was rightfully overlooked

>vtubing before hololive
>2020
dumbass

>>28762873
Lol you're literally larping as an oldfag

>>28761147
>Nothing will beat the 2020 spike where it all felt fresh and novel.
2020 is when it got flooded with EOP newfags.

>>28761147
Personally, vtubing lost most of its "magic" already in the 18/19 meta shift away from short produced skits.
Nowadays "vtubing" is basically just livestreaming with an anime avatar. Take away the avatar and it's 99% indistinguishable from normal livestreamers (playing games, just chatting, reacting, etc., the 1% difference is reserved for the few vtubers who still actually care to put some effort into playing into their character lore that sets them apart from being just another irl girl livestreaming).

The earlier shorter video style was more enjoyable, because at least some conscious effort went into producing the skits, i.e. people took care to think of and edit them into an actually entertaining product, and they were short enough that they didn't overstay their welcome.
Compared to that, while the streams today might be much longer, they feel so much less effort, it's mostly basically just unprepared vapid bitches turning on their camera and "Hi, I'm [basic samey vtuber #258], today we're gonna play [fotm game everybody else plays]...." and then it's just hours of lame unengaging gameplay reactions.

>>28761147
>viewer fatigue
>watering down of the hobby / degradation of the fanbase / mainstreaming
>golden era of holoJP pre-holocaust gone (currently on a silver era thanks to the promise of hololive summer coming back)
>golden era of HoloMyth gone
>golden era of Lazu+sydia gone
>golden Coco +Pekomoona/minecraft era gone
>exploration-foundational era of EN indies gone (currently on a silver age regarding the vtubers, but thread wise /wvt/ reached schizo rock bottom for a long time and most vtubers bailed)
>golden era of Tsunderia gone
The only ones currently on a golden era are Phase:Connect
I have no data regarding JP indies

You fags can be quite hilarious sometimes.

>>28763283
>golden HFZ era gone, though not as degraded as most other things, just lack of streams and new hype
>golden VOMS era gone (magnet gone, pika new model, reacting to shit on twitch)
>"golden"(better at least) era of vshojo gone (vei bored and boring +boyfriend, nyanners lack of streams +boyfriend, melody stagnating, mouse carrying the whole company)
>vshojo meta pushing big and small /lig/gers towards whoretubing
>nijiEN increasingly filled with tiktok SJW zoomers

>>28763191
This.
.Live and Nijisanji pretty much sealed vtubing's fate into becoming nothing but another way to stream.

>>28761277
I agree. When I first got into vtubing I got excited about the prospect of anime girls but in a "reality tv" type format, having all these personalities interact.

Instead we got twitch streaming 2.0, the collabs are just rare treats

>>28761147
You joined a hobby already in decline as part of the normie influx.

>>28765024
What are the alternatives? Should I just become a COBOL programmer?

>>28763283
>>28764044
for the positives:
>miko general incline and leadership + wrestling niche
>FBK chinkspam under control
>matsuri apparently inclining?
>happy chammers, and full of ideas for uni summer break
>kiara with an EN reversed trajectory, gets better with time unlike the other holoENs
>hololive summer back
>pomu and selen as soulful as always
>ironmouse carrying vshojo
>PhaseConnect golden era (pippa mastering her niche, tenma is a top quality vtuber, uruka is great, lia redesign, lumi+yuri poached, gen 2 was good)
>L*l* is back, her new model is wonderful, and she's as good of a vtuber as always
>some good EN indies inclining without relying on twitch whore meta
>significant amount of niche retrokino 2views

anyone got that comic about how a hobby gets more mainstream attention and starts to change to appeal to more mainstream people, effectively alienating the original loyal fanbase?

>>28765439
(that said, femanons were always here, the real cancer is failed EOP normalfags in general, who came from reddit/discord/twitter)

>>28761147
Everyone was expecting talking 2d waifus, but many of them become thots over time. Holo successed cuz they prioritized purity with idol and love their fans, but more and more holos are going astray from that

>>28766410
it's almost like 80% of women are whores and can't act seiso for more than few weeks-months

>>28765773
the influx hololive newfags from 2020 were the tipping point

>>28761147
because you only watch hololive and it's been declining for over a year

>>28761147
Have you ever felt a period of time when you first enter a hobby where everything is so fresh and magical? This doubles when most other people you interact with are also starting as well. You're just having annoyances stack up

>>28761147
fix your life then.
hobby still has kino shit being delivered every day

>>28761147
The fads don't stay long enough sadly, nothing in 2020 has actually stuck and was good, literally the most memorable things so far are rushia's graduation and Sana's graduation, nothing more

I don't get the people who want produced and scripted skits, why don't they just watch anime instead?

>>28768731
Who do you think got into vtubers 5 years ago in the first place?

I don't get the people who want to watch streamers with avatars, why don't they just watch normal streamers instead?

>>28765354
>significant amount of niche retrokino 2views
Honestly the best part.

>>28761147
Because you are seeing the transition from idolshit into streamers and musicians who use an avatar.

>>28768990
I also watch regular streamers. Although lately I am more into chuubas.

>>28768990
I also do that, I don't see much of a difference between the two whereas anime is superior in every way to Kizuna Ai's style of vtubers.

>>28764044
> pika new model
Fucking hell, the new model gives me the creeps. I barely watch her anymore

>>28761147
Your probably watching vtubers that aren’t HoloJP. The end goal for vtubers should always be to do 3D lives every once in a while for the fans. Those actually show dedication to their fans unlike just sitting down and playing games.

>>28766410
that's a /r9k/ corruption of expectations already (and /a/ would call you out for the 3DPD)
OG prerecorded videos weren't like that. If anything they were seiyuu/2.5D tier.

>>28768990
I got bored of watching Lirik and Aris they never really change they are doing same thing for years it has vibe of boring ordinary job that you used to like but got completely burned out but can't quit since pay is great. I'm not really interested in other streamers since 95% of them are zoomers that only play Warzone or LoL/Valorant or Apex (fps games are always more fun to play by yourself rather than watching unless they are like csgo pros)

Like all entertainers.
There is a shelf life.

>>28770213
> The end goal for vtubers should always be to do 3D lives every once in a while for the fans. Those actually show dedication to their fans unlike just sitting down and playing games.
Not everyone cares for the whole typical japanese song&dance idol routine (the songs are usually just pretty trite jpop anyway, the dances are unimpressive), or they actually really cared mostly for the stage performance aspect, they'd be better off just following actual irl idols, instead of streamers with anime avatars who do the whole idol routine basically just part-time every once in a while in between months of playing minecraft and apex.

People forget that the virtual part of virtual youtuber was actually part of the kayfabe. Kizuna Ai was presented as an AI producing content for Youtube. It's because she was an AI that she was a VIRTUAL youtuber, and not because she was a 3D model.

>>28770350
This.
Hate the whole streaming meta, it brought a degeneration of the medium into little more than just another avenue of parasocial exploitation where ethots with an anime avatar play baby games for hours while getting superchatted by lonely men who think they are their pretend girlfriends.

It should've just stayed at wacky characters making funny 5-15 minute skit videos, and not just basic bitch ass livestreaming with a different coat of paint.

Stop reading threads and go back to watching streams. I saw people saying this same shit right after kino streams like Mikkorone's latest one, or Holofighters.

>>28770213
3D lives are good but are just a subset of cool things they could do. The problems is most are lazy bitches who get into the bandwagon hoping to make easy bucks and striking gold in a big company. Or they had passion and burned out.

Currently the most enjoyable vtubers are the ones who love what they do because they are weirdos, and it shows.
It's like the game industry, old passion nerds vs new corporate, manufactured flavor of the month, target audience analysis games.

>>28772061
>lazy bitches who get into the bandwagon hoping to make easy bucks
and of course thats why the lowest effort shit is on the rise
>parasocial pandering (easy money)
>low effort easy game (low effort)
>flavor of the month game (numbers)
>twitch whore meta (subset of pandering)

>>28761147
It felt fresh and novel bc it was, youre in it for 2 years now. Its all just slow incline for now, be happy and support your oshi until it starts declining, that shits gonna be depressive

Just let go already, if this doesn't bring you any joy anymore stop coming to this board and move on, find something else.

>>28761592
Nah man, it's just because of the isekai troupe was milked to death for the last 3 years.

>>28761592
>you just grew out of it
nigga I'm still going through my backlog and some old animu are absolute gems I enjoyed a lot. It's not a nostalgia or a meme "growing out of it" kind of thing.
Anime beyond 2012 just became boring for a variety of reasons, including >>28773139. Mostly because there are less anime originals (I liked Vivy's Fluorite Song though) and loads of isekai/LN adaptations playing too safe with the same tropes. And corner cutting 3D, though that's bearable.

>>28764044
> meanwhile HoloJP still going strong

>>28774501
That's because of a few things:
1) the animes people remember are the best. Look at what aired in the old days, and you'll see that the majority is shit. Just like today.
2) The more you watch anime, the higher your standards become. The anime airing just now will be judged the most harshly by you
3) Following up on that, your opinion on anime you've seen before is positively biased, because you're applying your old standards to them. I've been rewatching a lot of anime recently, and there are some that I like more after each rewatch, and others that I just feel "meh" about. This is what makes the difference between anime that stand the test of time and those that don't.

>>28774982
This is too much of an /a/ cookie cutter response

>the animes people remember are the best.
yeah but I didnt watch all anime before, and I do the same now. As you said there's always been garbo, but the ratio that has went down is the good anime. Specially anime originals and experimental anime.
>higher standards
not gonna lie I watched shit like Elfen Lied before, but other than growing out of absolute newfag tier, I don't feel like my standards have changed much, I still look for the same themes and settings as before.
>bias
Well yeah I'll probably like more anime that is similar to what I've liked before. Though I'm definitely more open/invested in mahou shoujo and /m/echa than in the old days.

None of that changes the fact of too many safe plays in the industry, too many isekai/LN, not enough anime originals / experimental or wild things like Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. If they made more, I'd watch them.

>>28775570
and in any case, its not a "growing out of it" issue. It's a "change in anime type ratios to target a different kind of demographic" issue maybe. Like the isekai self inserts.

>>28775881
same thing as the game industry. You have old games made by passionate nerds with a story to tell, or a new, risky creative gameplay style as their vision. Then you have "we are too big of a corp for risky ventures, and funding is an issue, so make Generic Game 3: Remastered Edition (with nostalgia DLC skins) since we know its gonna sell"

You can have indie game makers, but good luck finding indie anime makers.

>>28763191
The difference between chuubers and normal livestreamers is that their appearance is entirely artificial, therefore there is a greater pool of people to select from. People who may otherwise be a bit too physically unattractive to be on camera but who have something valuable to offer in all other respects as an entertainer (personality, voice, etc) have a chance to get big. This advantage came into play during the beginning and as time goes on the chances of something big occurring again are higher than with normal streaming. Just be patient.

>>28776155
That's why manga is better. The entry barrier is much lower which means you can get stuff that's more diversified.

>>28776671
From what I've see from time to time, seems to be true.I've barely read much manga, I should finally get into it

>>28765773
Yes, we are the alphas. This is accurate.

>>28774501
That's what happens when you go from a time tested backlog to seasonal stuff

>>28775570
>yeah but I didnt watch all anime before, and I do the same now. As you said there's always been garbo, but the ratio that has went down is the good anime. Specially anime originals and experimental anime.
It should be pretty easy to verify if the rate of originals is actually going down. I'd say in the last few seasons it has definitely (and also, lots of sequels), but this kind of thing comes and goes.
For experimental anime, it's harder to measure what counts as experimental. I do remember that a few years ago there was frequently something a bit weird and new (I have good memories of Kagewani for example), and these days it's less true, but I didn't watch much anime during the pandemic.

>not gonna lie I watched shit like Elfen Lied before, but other than growing out of absolute newfag tier, I don't feel like my standards have changed much, I still look for the same themes and settings as before.
I'd say the same, but still, sometimes I rewatch stuff that I like and I don't like it as much. It's hard to realize until you're actually watching them, your memories of the anime and your reaction while watching it are different. It's also rare because most stuff I rewatch is stuff I want to rewatch, so I know it'll be good most of the time.

>Though I'm definitely more open/invested in mahou shoujo and /m/echa than in the old days.
Maybe it's a genre thing then? I don't know about anime in general, but for mecha and mahou shoujo it's rare to see anything, and even more rare anything good. On the other hand, as you say, isekai is in its golden age, which means most of it won't be that good.

>>28775881
>and in any case, its not a "growing out of it" issue. It's a "change in anime type ratios to target a different kind of demographic" issue maybe. Like the isekai self inserts.
Age is part of demographics. Even if anime doesn't change, at some point you will appreciate it less. Isekai self insert is new, but before you had harems in lots of different settings and it basically boils down to the same thing.
As >>28776155 said, anime has a high cost of entry so original/indie/experimental stuff will always be rare, by design. If you want more new fresh stuff you may look into mangas, or even web novels. Or try to watch more anime hoping to find a good one

>>28761229
Nah. The content was just way better in 2019 and 2020.
>CAMP
>Maidragon
>PekoMiko 3D Christmas
>AquShio Minecraft saga
>KoroMari Chou Aniki endurance race
>Asacoco & Watame no Uta
>Danchou Dark Souls