/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>27329340
This is just sad

>>27329340
A corpo that doesn't restrict freedom and lets her keep all of her sub/dono that she earns, but still provides the support that a company can with sponsors, merch, legal support, etc.

>>27329340
the difference is that the second big company isnt a black company taking away half of the money you earn, modding your antis and isolate you from every friend you have for chinks

>>27329507
>isn't a black company
>auditions

>>27329450
This is a glorious day of celebration*
ftfy

>>27329503
Don't forget she keeps the IP and VShojo just takes a cut when they produce an event.

because fuck you jannies for nuking the OG thread

>>27329625
>ignores every valid argument to cope

>>27329503
>Joining a californian company
>Doesn't restrict freedom
Good luck with that.

It's clear that vshojo doesn't restrict their talents in any way as far as their content creation. In fact, I would be interested to see the terms of her "contract" with vshojo, because it's clear that in this case she's way more beneficial to vshojo than vshojo is to her.

>>27329340
She did it for Rushia
Aloe is next

>>27329340
She's dirty liar. Simple.

>>27329340
She was just as stupid as some of her fans who thought that Kson would equal Coco just like that. And we all know that went. This is her last grasp to relevance. I don't blame her for it, it's just sad.

>>27329340
Money.

>>27329340
Don't forget breaking her promise of never joining another company again

she doesn't have the SOUL needed to walk the path of indie

hololive fanboys won't be able to control their seethe and bomb kson and rushia's debut with hateful comments

vshojo will see this and post about it on twitter, riling up the twitter army and condemning hololive fans

hololive's brand image will take a huge hit and their girls will start flocking to better pastures (like niji or vshojo)

don't @ me

>>27329902
???
She has beasically the same amount of subs as Coco did before the graduation announcement and still pulls in almost as much in superchat revenue.

Have you seen Vshojo streams? They don’t give a fuck what the talents do, and don’t force their talents to pedal the latest Japanese gacha.

>>27329340
TALENT
FREEDOM

>>27330168
And how does that make them any better of a streamer? They're all lower of the pack chubas anyhow. MUH CREATIVE FREEDOM

>>27329340
VShojo doesn't NOT
>forbid her from showing her real self / roommate on screen or social media account
>forbid her from talking about overly sexual matters, or collab with R18+ streamer (i.e: Melody)
>requires her to submit her contents plans through checks
That's a lot more freedom than what Cover offers. It's not like Cover's relatively more family-friendly image is bad - just like how mainstream shits aren't bad - but it's not Kson style and it was throttling her.
She left Hololive in good terms, though, and spent her own precious resources (time and money) to protect Cover unpromted. Holofags should at least keep that in mind before attacking her.

>>27329340
>says that she leaves because "big corporation limits her possibilities"
When did she say it?

>>27330298
It's not a matter of being a better streamer. It's a matter of being able to do whatever you want (as long as it's within the streaming platform's rules). Not everyone chases after numbers and popularity.

>>27330298
All the hololvie streams feel son sanitized and safe, the can’t even play a game without sucking 3 different corporate dicks first, the constantly runout of things to play and end playing Minecraft again it’s boring.

This sends a really discouraging message to all indies out there. If even Kson with all her success thinks she's better off joining a corpo than remaining indie, why should you even try?

>>27330298
>And how does that make them any better of a streamer?
It doesn't. That's the beauty of it, though. If they're shit, they're shit and will sink or swim of their own merits. You can say they're bottom of the barrel as far as quality all you like, but the fact of the matter is that they have been and will likely continue to be a commercial success.

>>27329340
>vshojo
>big corpo
??????

>>27330135
Let's say that is true, why is she so irrelevant?

>>27330507
>>27330508
Tell us how was Kson after her departure? Did her streams become better? Was she able to do everything that she wanted and were all of them great? Was all of the shit she was doing kino?
Remind me how was her 3D Debut?

>>27329340
Vshojo is not big.

>>27330655
it is a corpo no matter how much they brand themselves as a group of "independent" streamers

>>27330392
You aren't not retarded

>>27330723
Clearly she isn't irrelevant. You're spouting nonsense here because you want her to be irrelevant.

>>27330581
>You can say they're bottom of the barrel as far as quality all you like, but the fact of the matter is that they have been and will likely continue to be a commercial success.
That's not the point though, Coco left as she felt she was constricted with what she was able to do, when she left she actually became much shittier.
Also if anyhow Kson was a "commercial success" then why did she backpedal and went and suck up to VShojo?

VShojo are literal whos in the V-Tuber world.

>>27330955
She got incentives by joining, either that or actually a manager's position. Why else would she appear in person in AX to do the promo?

Coco died once when she left Holo, she died again when she went to VShojo

>>27330392
Anon, stop being reasonable, you should be foaming at the mouth like the rest of this shitty board.

>>27330742
Not everything she wanted, she was streaming on YouTube and not backed by an agency anymore. But now she is.BTW thank you for admitting Holo streams are boring.

>>27331032
wasn't one of them the most subscribed twitch streamer or something like that.

Who the fuck cares about content, vshojo offers you lawyers against the onslaught of copyrights and that's more valuable than all the freedumb you get

>>27330556
This is what interests me. I really don't think she needed this, but I think she /wanted/ to. Kind of in the same way she was essentially a brand ambassador for Hololive EN, she wants to be a brand ambassador for vshojo JP. I don't like touting her as some kind of vtuber mother theresa, but I would not be terribly surprised if she did this as a way to open up opportunities for people she knows.

>>27330062
better pastures like not being able to break 1k on gaming streams like the niji girls? lmao

>>27329503
Nice joke.

>>27331130
it's bait, anon. bait or very strong amounts of cope

>>27330392
Her content is the same as its always been. If she needs freedom, she's not using it.

>>27331116
And how would she be a better streamer that she is now in VShojo a corporation? Kson was boring after she left Hololive, even her 3D debut was shit.

>>27331169
>I don't like touting her as some kind of vtuber mother theresa
That's exactly what you're doing

>>27329340
She likely left because she was tired of chinese bots being a constant factor in her job. "Creative freedom" is just the PR spin.

>>27330135
But she isn't Coco my dude
Coco was amazing, she is just Kson and even if there is nothing bad with that, I will prefer always her Coco's Persona

>>27331315
kek this, no one is stopping her, the fact is she needs more viewers and donors, it's all about $

>>27329507
>and isolate you from every friend you have for chinks
Yeah Nijisanji sucks.

Was there a non-compete clause in her contract with Cover because I find it odd that this announcement happened literally 1 year after her graduation. Her work around was that she would remain indie for that 1 year and formally announce she joined Vshojo after the time was up, even thought she was already selected from the start. I could be overthinking this but the the timing of the announcement just seems to fit to well for that purpose.

>>27329507
>isn't a black company.
>That whole nux debacle.
Now I think you are being disingenuous.

>>27330062
Nigger

>>27331116
A reminder that Coco went from having the highest views in Hololive to some of the lowest.

>>27331353
I know, and I don't like it. It's hard to ignore some of the implications though, especially given the the obvious voice at the end of the lore video.

>>27331458
>Was there a non-compete clause in her contract with Cover because I find it odd that this announcement happened literally 1 year after her graduation
This seems like the most likely explanation, though the timing is too on the nose.

>>27331092
Of course she's going to go if she gets paid, who wouldn't? But how will that make her streams any better? Coco died along with her when she left.
Kson is Kson, as she was before she left Hololive, a nobody.

>Kson joined Vshojo
>Vshojo collabs with Niji all the time
>Niji/Kson collab
Oh shit, can't wait to see this board burst into flames yet again.

>>27330392
>forbid her from talking about overly sexual matters
You guys seriously thinks this is ok, actually it's amazing that you need to put restrictions on a woman so she doesn't act like a fucking whore. It's like they are animals that can't think.

>>27330392
>>27330926
Fuck, I meant "does NOT". Don't know how that turned into "doesn't NOT". Probably a case of midday brainfart

>>27331724
Hope she has fun, by this point she's already irrelevant.
What? She's going to collab with people she's not familiar with? Kino?

>>27331724
Don't forget Haachama..

>>27330507
>Not everyone chases after numbers and popularity
Tell that to JP indies. See what happens.

>>27330392
I don't disagree with your points except for
>Creative freedom
What creative freedom? Her content is shit. Typical react shit, building model kits and just chatting, nothing even remotely comparable to the shit she did as Coco.

>>27329340
>vshoko
>big corpo
Gotta love tourist season

>mfw this is finally what causes cover to ban collabs with vshojo

>>27331501
She never had "the highest views" outside of her meme reviews and those remained relatively popular until the end. I'll admit that her AsaCoco was kinda fucked around the time of the hanging Kanata shit, but that's about it.
Her normal contents were always only mid-tier, number-wise, among Holo.

Oh what could have possibly convince her to join?

>>27331972
>vshitjo
>not a big corpo
They're worth over 11 million dollars, Anon.

Joining Vshojo was the only move she could make, the taiwan shit made her a pariah with other japanese companies.

>>27330392
The very existance of kiara, mori, sana, masturi, mel, noel negates your whole point 1

>>27330507
>he said this as she is joining a corpo from being indie

>>27332093
They hiring non-chuuba? I can clean and cook.

>>27332124
>Joining Vshojo was the only move she could make
Or she could've just remained an indie. Was there really any reason for her to join another group aside from being a money hungry whore?

>>27329340
I was stunned that she'd join Vshojo, what a traitor to the Indie Vtuber scene.

>>27331961
"Creative freedom" there didn't mean being innovative. It just meant "I can do whatever I want without management breathing on my neck".

>>27332063
She did right after debut and was competitive with Pekora and Aqua, newfag.

>>27332111
Has more to do with how they're managed, they are very different from Hololive

>>27332255
Resources. Vshojo was always a losely affiliated group of people that where popular on their own, bringing them together just gives them more legitimacy and access to resources for merchandising, promotions and other things.

Also the fact that she joined vshojo a year TO THE DAY after she left Hololive is really suspicious, she was contractually banned from joining a different corpo for a year. If that's the case then she could have this whole thing worked out even before leaving Holo, and this could really hurt her credibility as well Vshojo's, if they're out there literally trying to poach talents while they're working for other corpos, this could get pretty ugly.

>>27329818
Aloe Delta whoryness on twitter fits perfect for Vshojo

>>27330392
This. If she wants to have streams with her boyfriend she should be allowed to.

>>27332204
I think he means the corporate account.

>>27332204
NTA, but I don't remember them doing that intentionally on their main accounts, though?

>>27332374
Sorry, I meant to say "AS IF she was banned from joining for a year". I'm not stating that she was, just guessing.

>>27331315
no permissions autism, no middlemanager overhead, that's already more than enough positives.
Freedom doesn't have to be huge creative events, nobody was letting her build gundams on stream in hololive.

>>27332374
they announced it at the anime expo which coincidentally happens today. lmao you guys are crazy.

>>27332303
>debut buff
Anon, you should wait a month or two before judging a VTuber popularity and numbers. Look at her numbers from around April 2020 onwards

>>27329340

MFS Even paired her debut with another angel-like vtuber.
Its over for Kanatan....

>>27332474
>nobody was letting her build gundams on stream in hololive.
Oh shit wow those streams were really great huh, really fucking creative, made for real great content.

Could you fags keep this to one thread? My comfy generals are moving a thousand miles an hour.

I feel betrayed honestly

I think I'm gonna take a few days off from chuubas because I really cannot process this

>>27329340
Vshojo is pretty much a leech corpo that picks up preexisting popular vtubers. All their big talents Nyanners, Vei, Ironmouse had thousands of viewers before joining and probably would have done just as well because HoloEN opened the floodgates for english vtubing.

>>27332555
>debut buff
Look at the rest of 4th gen. You newfags are tiresome.

>>27332625
your point?

Vshojo lets the girls do whatever they want for better or worse

>>27332474
And yet people like Haachama and Ollie are building shit on stream. Consider necking yourself.

If anything, this is feeding more into the legacy and legitimacy of Hololive. She wouldn't have this much fanfare if she wasn't a Ex-Hololive member.

>>27332625
It's not a matter of being innovative or creative. It's not even a matter of chasing after numbers.
It's a matter of being able to do whatever the fuck she want. If she want to show her ass, she can do it. If she want to build gundams, she can do it. If she want to mock dead people, she can do it. If she want to say "Fuck Chinks", she can do it. That's what it is about.
She simply didn't like having to go through several rounds of management checks everytime she streams something unusual.

>>27329340
but see this "big corpo" is a disaster that's just like the garbage she kept trying to be when management wasn't making her have standards. you faggots loved how she was always being a crass trainwreck, so her joining gigacuck's collection of crass trainwrecks should thrill you.
>>27329507
cover isn't a black company, you memespewing retard. if they were a black company then the likes of ayame and sana who have very few hours streamed would have been fired and blacklisted by now and half the girls would have died of overwork. you wouldn't know a black company if you worked for one.
>>27329744
>y-you're c-coping!!
what is he coping with? the fact you're an idiot?

>>27332881
she can do all that without joining vshojo

this enrages me to the core, hololive gave these women everything and now they happily jump onto a rival company, as I thought only through intense restriction women stay loyal, i understand muslims

>>27332881
And how did that fare for her during her Indie times? And how does that change now she's going back to being a corpo? Her streams were less interesting then, what makes it more interesting now that she'll be in VShojo?

if vshojo is already a company, do they have to ask a permition for the games ? Or do they just play whatever ?

So now vshojo is an enemy of chinks?

>>27333509
Based. I will forgive pink cat's sins.

>>27333509

>>27331700

>Muh creative freedom
And she was an indie before, surely indies have more creative freedom than corpos (even if said corpo is Vshoujo)? Literally nothing stops her from streaming whatever as an indie, so why join a corpo at this point?
It really was a matter of money wasn't it? Merch gives a fuckton of money compared to just supas, and an indie will struggle handling merch for themselves. And would you look at that, the whole point of why Vshoujo was built was essentially to make merch for a certain group of streamers.
Hope you are looking forward to buy your newest Kson badge or whatever.

>>27333098
more like they made hololive, tard. they were the two biggest earners.

>>27330392
Her content is worse now, and she'll be collabing with sjwshits from vshojo. Can't wait for the horribly unfunny react content collabs with Ironlung and Pinkcat.

>>27330392
>>forbid her from showing her real self / roommate on screen or social media account

she even showed herself on stage at anime expo right after the announcement.

https://youtu.be/59oLLINHTFw?t=498

>>27331889
>haachama just recently made a twitch account and collabed with ironmouse
she knew, she's strategizing for an eventual kson collab

>>27333068
>>27333110
Yes, she can do all that without joining VShojo. However, joining VShojo doesn't hurt either. VShojo will also provide her manager who doesn't tell her what to do, but take care of her needs nonetheless (she has to hire a manager currently). They provide her easy access to merch supply chains as well (her attempts at merchs weren't really that successful).
So, why not?

Nijifags seething because kson rejected nijisanji to join vshoujo.

>>27329450
FPBP

Hell, where's the horn chart when you need it, I'm sure we're at level 5 at best

>>27333682
>Think that SC matters
roru roru rumao

>>27334036
>It's not even a matter of chasing after numbers.
so it is

>>27334131
most SC and biggest sellers of most merchandising. these two brought millions to cover. cope.

>>27334110
NijiEN would literally implode if she joined Niisanji, they dodged a bullet.

>>27334036
This is exactly how I've seen as well. She wasn't making money off merch and brand deal would do wonders for that.

>>27333682
>they made hololive
They HELPED make it what it is, they didn't exclusively make hololive, even Haachama inspired Kson, Hologirls propped her up and she did them as well and Cover provide them the tools to work with, this is all a give and take.
SC is nothing compared to what they earn with their other revenues such as merchandise, this was even stated by Yagoo himself in a recent interview.

>>27329507
>he second big company isnt a black company

They worked with charities that embezzle money. Vshoujo is 100% a black corporation.

If I had the choice between success as an indie or success as a corpo, I'd probably choose the corpo. Especially one that doesn't take any of my money.
Self employment is stressful as fuck. Streamers "burn out" all the fucking time cause they just don't know what to do anymore. Having management that can offer guidance and tell you to do this or do that offers a layer of ease.
Not to mention self employment taxes are a bitch, though I don't know if being an employee of VShojo helps in that regard or not

>>27334197
She was scouted by nijiJP.

>>27333682
>gen 3 and gen 4 members made hololive
>despite Fubuki, Miko and Korone getting insane momentum in 2020 wich led to scatman, nigga and eekum bokum as the biggest influx of new fans
>on the other hand coco brought EN and the biggest influx or normalfaggots
really made hololive for sure

>>27334036
So it's all about numbers after all huh? Not about creative freedom.

>>27334292
Do you think it matters with her baggage from the bugstate?

>>27332410
>>27332412
Irrelevant.
Cover does not ban them from doing whatever fuck they want or showing face or whatever body part.

>>27334486
that's why cover copyright strike every single video with them faces on youtube.

>>27334486
Why aren't they doing it then?

>>27334574
stalkers

>>27334574
And why would they do it though? What's the incentive? For schizos to get them?

>>27329340
Reminder that hololive nuked their chink fanbase for her. They should have kept them if she was going to be a backstabbing traitorous bitch.

>>27329340
>leaves the wwe of vtubers
>joins the aew of vtubers
its okay, I guess

>>27329340
V-Shojo obviously gives a lot more freedom than Hololive.
V-Shojo probably also gave her a huge signing bonus.

>>27330392
This for fucks sake, it's not complicated.

>>27334571
>why does cover copyright strike dramatubers and doxfaggots clipniggers
Holy fucking retard
>>27334574
Yeah mori totally doesn't show her fat ass and face around
Yeah kiara totally doesn't take selphies with kfp at convections
Both totally do their best to hide their vtuber identities.
>BUT THESR ARE NOT THEIR OFFICIAL ACCOUNTS!
Cover could have made them sign an exclusivety deal that would have prevented them to do anything outside hololive.

>>27334804
much more FREEDUMS than being indie fook yeeah

>>27334375
Her version of creative freedom is risquée stuff. She also wants to conflate the in the flesh with the vtuber.
So it makes sense for her to leave, and it makes sense for others who want to stay, to stay.

>>27334767
Hololive is a black company

I remember when keeki called herself kiara realized the opsie and everyone had a good laugh kiawa included.

>>27335054
>doxfaggots
those are public videos that were available to everyone on internet or were aired on television. that's not the definition of doxxing.

>>27329503
Your a Chris Chan level idiot if you think vshojo doesn’t take cuts and is that nice

>>27329340
american freedom(tm)

As coco
Streams are fun, cool concepts like asacoco news and drug , cool design

As Kson
Streams are Boring , design is ass, no cool concepts or lore

She got freedom but at the cost of being a boring chuuba thats why i gave up on her.

>>27335487
The Kson design looks cool IMO, but I agree her streams are boring now.
She needs cute girls to play off of so that she can be "edgy", even though she's not really that edgy. Her streams with Pikamee were good, but her streams with Melody were weird. This is going to be a disaster.

>>27335160
>risquée stuff
Please do elaborate, what sets her apart to a twitch whore streamer by then? How is this any better?

>Hololive in shambles and getting worse
>Everyone else thriving
Good time to be a fan of anyone else, bad time to be a holobrony

>>27330392
Literally everything Coco made before graduating (Asacoco, meme reviews, green screen skits, 3d lives) were more creative than whatever she does now, also
>creative freddom
>showing her ass on strem
>being a whore
what insane creative freedom you have there

>>27335655
Take your meds from time to time

>>27335696
Was probably more about the money

>>27335604
And that's what made Kson Coco, she was able to bounce with other Hologirls comfortably and the girls with her, their interactions and stories alone were entertaining, she stood out because her character shone more when with the girls, the girls supported and helped her with her ideas.
She was Coco when she was in Hololive after she left she was Kson.

>>27330392
>literally was an indie vtuber, so she had literally nobody stopping her from doing whatever she wanted
>JOIN A COMPANY FOR TRUE FREEDOM!!!!!
what kind of logic is this?

>>27331423
Coco worked better because of the contrast she had against the other members. She would be a chaotic character and the other more "seiso" members would bounce off her trying to stay in character, creating funny moments. I'm not saying she's gonna be irrelevant or her channel is gonna die, but you need contrast in comedy.
In VShojo she's gonna be another character that says motherfucker.

This is why you should groom 2views. They'll never leave you and they don't have the luxury of doing things you dont like or they risk losing their only viewers.

>>27336167
"hololive lives rent free" logic

>>27336181
It's like a Manzai, you need a tsukkomi to your boke.

>>27329340
Holofags are seething knowing the akasupa sc queen is going to sweep hololive off the earth. Wait until rushia non compete clause is over start to get on your knees and start begging for mercy.

>>27332739

Well, YES, that's the fucking point Anon. VShojo only says "we handle the sponsors and the merch, take a cut from that and you do whatever the fuck you want and keep all your donos and subs and shit". That's a good deal for big girls that can wipe their own ass but don't want to get scammed on merch or mocap studios or manage sponsors.

>"big corporation limits her possibilities"
You know this is the only thing I dislike about her leaving. Her possibilities were limited because of her own actions and she knows it. And I am not talking about the Taiwan incident

>>27336332
Mofos get less sponsora than nijien

>>27336422
She fucked herself over that's what she did, she had all the leeway she could ever have, they let her do what she wanted, she never went over with management to check things, she fucked up, then after management decided to put a leash on her, and then she started complaining.

>>27336300
WHAT LUSHIA IS DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE

>>27335946
Lets face it, even under Cover's cut it probably was not enough for her lifestyle. Her "return" probably saw the highest in-pocket revenue she has ever gotten but since then even numberfags don't see her on SC charts. I wonder how well twitch went for her before she decided to join.

>>27329340
REMINDER:
>vshitshow won't protect her from the chinks and other antis
>vshitshow won't provide her with any management when she needs it
>vshitshow let their talent yab and not tardwrangle them when needed
kson basically sold out here. Instead of being a strong and stable indie, she chose to glue herself to nyanners, veibae, melody and quite possibly rushia the real life needy streamer

Anything vshojo could offer her, SHE HAD THE MONEY TO DO IT HERSELF.

>>27333682
>made HOLOLIVE
LMAOOOO

>>27329340
She wanted more money.

>>27329340
This whole thing was never about creative freedom, or anything else, she just wanted to join Vshojo and had to wait for a year to do so because of the non-compete clause. But people will continue to blame everyone else for her leaving Hololive, because funny dragon would never leave her friends.

>>27336763
What's are the witch russia and the american salamander koko doing in the impact zone!

>>27334198
And Rushia cost cover more money then she made by them having to scrub her out of everything quickly, refund all the products and tickets to the concert.

>>27329340
Kson fucks black men

>>27335367
They got millions of investor money. They don't need no cuts.

>>27337351
Yes me

>>27337189
good.

>>27329340
She just wants to act like a whore in peace.

>>27337370
>don't worry, vshitshow doesn't take cuts, they just have to roll with whatever the investors want this week
even worse

>>27329340
What're these "possibilities" exactly?

>>27336167
Anon, she left Hololive for creative freedom. She joins VShojo for money, while still being allowed to keep said freedom. Is that not clear enough?

>>27335367
They take their cut from merch, events and sponsor deals.

Direct earnings from Twitch/donations are not touched.

>>27337704
Now I can do bathtub streams! Hell! I have creative freedom, I can do whatever I want, might as well show my pussy in chaturbate and make an OnlyFans.

>>27329503
If you're aware of the actions of vshojo staff having their "support" is the equivalent of getting Amber Heard's lawyers. I would entrust my safety and personal info to discord dox schizos before I do vshojo.

>>27337785
but she already had money, what more could she REALLY get?

>>27337704
My guess is she wanted to make a corpo for her JP friends and rejects, but decided to use VShojo instead.

>>27338132
The one thing that japanese corpos don't let women have.
Sex.

>>27338209
She gonna stream that as well?

>>27331130
You know how people make fun of Gura because she has dead subs, that's what those subscribers to Ironmouse were, the vast majority of them were gifted subs. Literally forced people to sub to her.

>>27329503
Vshojo takes merchandizing cuts, it's why the girls don't push it hard

Fuck

>>27337370
How do you think they are going to pay back investor money? Have you ever worked a day in your life? Or are you a smelly NEET

She just wanted to show her tits on stream. Can't wait for her to masturbate on chaturbate. Maybe she'll have lesbian sex with Melody

>>27335136
Indie freedom + corpo support, best of both worlds

>>27329340
https://youtu.be/3hILCw66sLU?t=165
I CALLED MY FUCKING SHOT!

>>27329503
Stop simping for Vshojo they are a bunch of snakes and woketards who think they're above others. Kson joining them is a mistake.

>>27338463
Oh shit is this what "Creative Freedom" is? Might as well create an OnlyFans since she's starved for money as well.

>>27338332
She still gets paid for them.

>>27338643
HOLY FUCK BASED
You just missed MiguelGato though

>>27338917
To be fair no one could have predicted that. 1 year ago.

>>27330655
It's the second biggest vtuber corporation behind Hololive

>>27338132
More money? Also, the indie's life isn't easy. Have you seen her 3D stream?
Vshojo would be able to provide tech, merch, handle professionnal networking, etc for her.

>>27332060
Mori in shambles

>>27338968
True, a menhara only shows itself once you're in balls deep.

>>27338850
My point is that it wasn't an organic growth, look at the twitch sub count ranking right now, she's not even in the top 50.

>>27339034
thats a strange way to say nijisanji

>>27339034
You have amnesia or some kind of selective memory? What happened with Anycolor?

>>27329340
>limits her possibilities
TL note: Coco just wanted to be a whore and cut Hololive out of her earnings. She didn't care if she distanced herself from the rest of the girls because she never viewed them as friends. The chinks placed their hatred in the right place but for the wrong reasons.

Does she live in America now?

I still believe Rushia will come back to hololive.

>>27335946
>Was probably more about the money
Most likely. She probably thought she could shoulder the extra workload if it meant keeping Cover's share of her revenue and then realized after a while that it was more trouble than it was worth.

>>27339616
>She didn't care if she distanced herself from the rest of the girls
she has a few holos on her kson streams and still live with kanata. cutting hololive was a smart move. staymad.

>>27338298
>>27338209
Hope kson and rushia will make a gangbang debut stream, only fitting as a welcome to vshojo.

>>27339930
Maybe Nyanners' boyfriend could help with that since anyhow getting cucked is what their fanbases' like.

>>27329756
Vshoujo has long established itself to be staffed by actual otakus, not by ironic weebs that just watch Japanese entertainment but with a completely American moral and shit on other weebs while denying being one. They tolerate Melody's hentai, and ironic weebs always hate non-western porn. That is in my opinion more than ample evidence that Vshoujo's place of residence does not matter and they will not restrict Kson.

>>27339616
Why are /vt/ niggers so obsessed with proving someone is a garbage person based on flimsy evidence and schizo fantasies?

>>27340409
>Vshoujo has long established itself to be staffed by actual otakus
Vshoujo staff are real otakus like fatlus localizers are real otakus.

>>27340737
unironically incels

>>27330392
>Vshojo allows its women to be crass whores in place of having a real personality
>this means it's better

>>27340931
>women act like women
Yes, that is better.

>>27340768
I'm not in the loop about Fatlus, does that mean Fatlus's localizers are not ironic anti-otakus?

>>27340931
>gachikoi anon discovers that seiso women don't exist and he was living in a lie created by the mainstream idol industry
gb2 AKB48, these girls are actually seiso :^)

>>27341216
Don't show him the list of idols that went into JAV after graduating, you'll break the poor man.

>>27329340
bahahha /vt/ meltdown all day today

>>27340789
I know that damn well... but why do they have to prove that someone is bad? That shit is just destructive to yourself. That shit is literally proving someone fucking hates you. Why this, when it could be something more like, I dunno, proving why your oshi does in fact actually love you?

>>27331769
women are just fucking vile, let them talk about whatever they want and they'll tell you their grossest sex stories during lunch

>>27339359
that shit isn't and has never been accurate at all. She has a live counter on her stream that shows she's at 15k.

>>27341313
Internet woman doesn't love you buddy

>>27336293
speak english motherfuckers, i dont understand

>>27341108
They go out of their way to inject American politics into Japanese games.

>>27335604
Her karaoke streams are just as good (right down to the same backgrounds/songs/dancing about), but in general yeah she's kinda underwhelming. But, well, thats what she wanted. She now gets to coast while earning almost as much money.

>>27329340
>Believing anything a woman says
Women need to be controlled or else they will betray anyone and everyone they can including their own unborn child.

>>27333406
Yes it is. Since they want to operate in Japan they need permissions now.

>>27335655
>a retard speaks
Small dogs need to bark the loudest.

>>27341513
The delusion still remains tho. It's the same shit but upside down.

I guess I finally reached the conclusion, it's just gachikoi pretending to fix their issues but only ending up doing the same shit upside down...

>>27335655
What if I like HoloEN, Vshoujo and WACTOR all the same? :^)

>>27329340
>says that she leaves because "big corporation limits her possibilities" and she wants to do more diversified stuff as an individual v-tuber
>joins another big fucking corpo
Maybe one big corpo is more limiting than the other corpo hmm?

>>27341700
>>27340768
That means Fatlus's translation staff is made of ironic anti-otakus. Which is not what I've seen on Vshoujo. Based on my Twitter experience, ironic anti-otakus think hentai is degenerate and view Japanese morality as backwards, bigoted and degenerate. I have yet to see such an attitude from Vshoujo.

>>27342983
Seconded. Each corpo is its own world. Save for counted exceptions (like the cartel that is the American health insurance industry), no two corpos in this planet are the same. Two chuuba agencies can perfectly different content guidelines and policies, one of them being more lax than the other. That is exactly the difference between Hololive and Vshoujo.

>>27330392
>forbid her from showing her real self / roommate on screen or social media account
Only on Coco accounts. They still let her be Kson concurrently and show herself whenever she wanted there. And pretty much any holofag who wanted to see that could find there way there since it was an even worse kept secret than Canan.

>>27329340
Same character arc as this guy. Just wait until she not only bankrupts Cover but also betrays Vshojo and creates her own company that redefines vtubing in her image. Only this time, there'll be no plucky MC to out bullshit her.

>>27329340
It's more of a group/union than a corpo. She's not joining as a brand-new talent, she's joining as an already established large creator.
They don't have managers or any official rules.
VShojo is essentialy just legal and marketing backing for those who are already successful so investors can make some cash on their merchandise and collabs.
A smart move I'd say.
Hololive will learn to treat their talents better. Losing two greatest money printers just like this, that's gotta hurt.

>>27340409
>staffed by actual otakus
That's why their employees are Western whores, right?

Hololive's popular because the girls act the way men want girls to act. Girls don't actually act that way. "Creative freedom" just means admitting you're a whore and not a cute anime girl.

>>27340931
Tell me that you have no fucking idea how the japanese society looks without telling me that you have no fucking idea how the japanese society looks.

>>27329340
She's at her best when she is bouncing off other people. Writing was on the wall all the time. Still think she is moderately above average even at her best.

>>27346771
You're gonna make them mad for saying that, anon

>>27337863
If they actually have a ppgood merch setup then this isn't a bad deal.
Niji and Cover may give exposure, but their merch game is pathetic. Because staff makes their bucks from everythibg the talents do, they've grown complacent financially

>>27330062
It's hololive's own fault. They didn't control their shit fans and they treat their talents and fans like shit. Normal idol fans support the talents, holobronies are cancer who supports some 80 year old Japanese grandpa who doesn't even know what a vtuber is.

The "creative freedom" was a bs fake reason from the start. Once she went back to Kson she didn't do anything even remotely creative. Some of her Coco shows were at least different. All Kson did was camwhore shit + generic gameplay. Such creativity

>>27342983
What did Hololive limit exactly? They didn't let her talk about China? You didn't see her talking about Taiwan since she went solo, so wtf sis Hololive limit her with?

>>27346771
>Hololive's popular because the girls act the way men want girls to act
The mainstream idol fandom is on >>>/jp/ :^)

>>27353811
didn't let her say piss,shit,fuck,drugs, show off her tits and other stuff 12 year olds find funny

>>27329340
This time, she just not a leader of a group, but a whole branch. The progenitor of the new era of JPvtubing

>>27353686
You obviously don't watch Kson because you think she's just a 2D e-girl. I can assure you that Kson is creative, and is much more than that.

>>27354157
*clap clap* next meme

She is indie

>>27353811
Management killed Asacoco in the Morning because chinks tried to frame it as actually encouraging drug use. They blocked her from using copyrighted materials in meme reviews. She was blocked from collabing with HoloEN because EN management viewed her as being radioactive as if she could do anything to make Myth worse. And there were other ideas she vaguely talked about getting shot down by management.
HOWEVER, she ditched her new morning show after only a few episodes. She gave up on the meme review after only snagging twoish guests to it. She didn't even do a Florida man meme review with TMSK which I will never forgive her for. She hasn't even acknowledged HoloEN since she left so she clearly wasn't that hung up on them. And none of her other undisclosed ideas have come to fruition. Unless the big idea was dressing up like 2B and then shaking her bare ass at the camera. Hololive management still bad. Kson worse.

>>27353811
Pretty much any content she wanted to do has to get greenlit by management. Even collabs with people in your own gen have a lot of hoops. It's why she killed Asacoco and why the meme reviews were difficult to do.

She's not the only one who complained. Pekora wanted to do a project for her fans but management blocked her from doing it even though she was willing to pay with her own money.

COCO HATE
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>>27340737
>leaves hololive citing "restrictive management" as her main reason
>month long farewell with most of her coworkers bawling their eyes out at her leaving
>coworkers bawling their eyes out at her leaving
>coworkers bawling their eyes out at her leaving
>spends the next year as an indie with all her new freedom doing exactly the same shit she was before
>joins another corpo
>not just any corpo, THE cancerous western twitch thot corpo
Fuck.
This.
Cunt.

>>27342893
Deadbeat spotted

>>27354533
Then, why did she keep doing meme reviews as Kson? :^)

>>27354766
>THE cancerous western twitch thot corpo
gb2 >>>/jp/

>>27354975
No. Vsoapbox is literally everything wrong with Americans getting into vtubing. They are the worst case scenario that people were afraid myth would be. Enjoy your connor collabs and big brain political hot takes, also it's cool she's now coworkers with people that openly hate her "friends". Boyfriend announcement when?

>>27354912
I know you're fucking stupid but try harder.

>>27348991
yeah, can't wait for pink cat and other weekly roasting.

>>27354766
>made miko cry
>made watame cry
>made towa cry
>made kanata cry
>made botan cry
>made pekora cry
>made marine cry
>made flare cry
>made okayu cry
>made mio cry
>made korone cry
>made fubuki cry
>made akirose cry
>made haato cry
>made ame cry
>made kiara cry
>"lol fuck you I'm a vwhore now ^^"

>>27334800
Wouldn't Nijisanji Be the AEW of vtubers, being the closest competitor of Hololive (WWE)? Vshojo is more like the Impact of vtubers

>>27340409
they're starting to take on money from californian capital investors, it's only a matter of time

>>27355316
shut up schizo

>>27341550
you need a batman to your joker