/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2723697
no, because they're playing characters. on the same level as shipping characters from a live action show

>>2723697
Sure, Vtubers are just real people using an avatar to stream that every once in a while like to act as their avatar.

I wouldn't say so. The yuri aspect is usually very hammed up and ungenuine so it's easy to separate the characters from the real people behind it.

>>2724103
How about cases like Crossick where it is know they are also a couple irl?

>>2724124
If they broadcast their relationship publicly I don't think they mind being shipped, but the lines definitely get blurred there. I guess it depends if you're interested in their roommates or not.

It's different because all shipping content is shipping of the characters. Real people don't look like this. If you ship real people you would ship the roommates instead.

>>2723697
No, I think of vtubers as characters. Is shipping anime characters the same as shipping their VAs? While vtubers are closer to the real person than anime characters are to VAs, there's still enough of a distinction to make them separate in my mind.

>>2723697
I personally don't see it as shipping real people, but I think there is enough proximity between the character and roommate that I can understand how it might be weird to push ships onto the chuubas.

Some Japanese fanartists consider it full on RPS, they'll post the shippy fanart on a separate account where they have the people concerned blocked.

But some chuubas themselves roll with the ships their fans have for them, I suppose it really depends who you're talking about.

>>2723697
Vtubers aren’t real people anon

>>2724124
Crossick is an extra special case in that it is difficult to separate Sukoya and Tomoe from the person behind the avatar since their lore is pretty much just who they are irl so outside of using different names they are never really acting at all.

>>2724188
It's not quite as separated as it is with say shipped anime characters and their VAs though. With vtubers they're usually live and streaming is in some way a window into the roommate's life. They're there in real time going through their daily routine, maybe eating snacks/drinks, taking bathroom breaks etc., and that connects them to the character much more directly than one they simply recorded lines for in a studio, which were then patched onto the animations by someone else later. And while people don't usually ship the roommates *directly*, they often include implied stuff going on behind the scenes.

Even in your own example arguably the biggest Kanacoco clip is the one where Coco is crying on stream and Kanata's roommate comes into the room to comfort her and end the stream. That moment is only meaningful because of what's going on behind the camera, while Coco the character/model is just floating frozen from the disconnect. And that's far from the only example of the ship leaking into real life, see Matsuri etc.

>>2724687
Just saw Roberu irl I dunno what you're talking about

>>2724934
I know all that. It's still shipping the characters. Vtubers happen to work like that where the characters overlap with a real person. These things that happen "behind the scenes" aren't really behind the scenes when they become part of the characters the way Kanata and Coco living together and supporting each other has. Those candid moments are part of the character's life and when you see manga about it that artists draw, it's all done in character. That's my main criteria: how do the artists represent the ship in the work.

>>2723697
It's a very thin line to tread with vtubers. I hate when shipping makes two characters act out of character (e.g. Mori would never act like fanfiction writes her out to be), but I also dislike when fanfics or art blatantly ship the roommates (e.g. these two vtubers NEED to move in together, etc.).
The distinction is clear in my mind, but I understand why it might not be the same for others. Still, I have most English-speaking corporate vtubers blocked because I wouldn't want them to come across my tweets by chance, especially if they egosearch.

>>2725402
I don't even disagree that it's ultimately a ship of the characters, not the real people, but I do think the connection between the two is a lot deeper because as you say actions of the real people and facets of their lives can become a part of their characters to the point they're nearly inseparable. That's why people often cite Crossick as a "canon" ship, and if it were ever confirmed that Kanata and Coco were actually dating/sleeping together that would hugely impact the ship dynamics in a similar way. And further if they ever broke up/moved out IRL that would translate heavily into how the ship is portrayed if not crash it entirely. The roommates may not *be* the ship, but they have immense power over it in a way that arguably no other character creator does.

They're characters to me but I still don't want the streamers to ever see my stuff if they look themselves up so I have them all blocked.

I also don't mention my ships in chat because I'd rather the shipping and the actual streams remain separate (and also because that's just cringe).

>>2725427
>>2725743
>blocking chuubas so they don't see your posts
What kinds of things are you posting, anonchamas...

>>2725664
after a while a lot of the ship is left to the fanwork creators too, some chuubas barely speak to each other but still get ship art.
there is also cases where the ship would collab a lot in the past but they interact less over time, and yet the volume of fanworks remains the same.

>>2725664
Yeah there is a deep connection because of how vtubing works. It depends on how you see the character/roommate division. If you don't see them being as distinct then you will see it as shipping real people. My perspective is that the vtuber's character is a separate idea from the roommate's self and while the roommate's life does play into it heavily, they are not one and the same thing. Eventually the vtubers will graduate, the roommates will move on in life. The idea of the character will remain, maybe some people will keep shipping it afterwards based on completely fictional ideas, and the ship content that has already been created will be crystalized as a fictional reinterpretation of real events. That's how I'd want things to turn out in the end.

>>2725817
My content is worksafe I'm just autistic.

>>2725817
Considering Ame is my oshi and what she's expressed about shipping, I just ensured that she wouldn't see anything related to that from me. I like seeing Ame get along with her friends.
I also agree with >>2725743 in that I prefer keeping the shipping and the streams separate.

>>2725817
not sure about hololive, but for nijisanji it's expected etiquette to block the livers involved, regardless of whether you're posting sfw or nsfw content

>>2726287
It's a relatively novel concept for many western fans, especially those that are new to watching vtubers.

Yes, because vtubers are real beings.

u just kinda gotta be really lonely and gay and VERY friendless emphasis friendless

>>2726287
it's also expected to not use official tags/oshimarks, and to use codes rather than actual names when talking about the livers.

I think aggressive shipping like the takamori fanbase is creepy as fuck. Going as far as shipping their roommates.

>>2723697
Not exactly the same, but it's pretty close since VTubers are personas of the person behind the screen. Not 100% distinct, but also not 100% the same.

>>2726579
>Going as far as shipping their roommates
Please tell me that you’re lying

>>2726556
>>2726322
yep. It always shocks me to see full on yuri shipping art in the holo girl's tags since I'm so used to nijisanji fans keeping that kind of thing out of sight.

>>2726579
Takamori really just embodies everything bad about shipping doesn't it...

>pretend to be a very specific persona when in front of a camera
>pretend to like people more than you actually do when collaborating with them
>willingly feed fans the idea that you might like each other, completely intentional, for the sole purpose of driving up engagement
>people are somehow supposed to not do it

What's next, you think Pekoland is real?

>>2726579
Takamori fans are the worst because Calli and Kiara have the worst fans anyway

Official chart

>>2726693
I'm glad I'm not alone in that feeling.
The newer fans sometimes seem like an offshoot of kpop twitter stans, which has warded me away on more than one occasion.

>>2726693
Is it really shocking when the chubas like seeing it and will retweet it at times?

>>2726837
>new fans
Not everyone that doesn't block is a new fan when it comes to chubas that don't have that expectation. Accept that not every chuba's fanwork culture is the same.

>>2726837
I wouldn't go that far. Things just work differently for different fanbases.

>>2723697
Shipping vtubers feels like a subset of RPF, but usually not as invasive.
Still, it would probably be a good idea to not do it anywhere the vtubers involved can see it (on their streams, mentioning it directly through Twitter/Marshmallow, etc, just use common sense).

>>2726868
I guess it's different for every liver like >>2727061
said, but still it is interesting. I think a lot of female livers don't mind some light yuri shipping, but het ships and bl tend to toe the line. In my opinion, it's just more respectful to keep any ship art out of the liver's sight, but that's just me.
>>2726837
I don't think tagging certain kinds of ship art is necessarily that bad, but I do think it must get irritating for the liver when fans start spamming their chat or sending marshmallows asking for more ship collabs. at that point I think it is reminiscent of kpop fans, or at least very young people with no boundaries

>>2726693
As other have said it really depends, even within yuri pairs in a same company.
Lize and Ange block mentions of the ship in their chats.
Tomoe and Sukoya buy H-doujin about themselves and voice act fanart.

>>2726906
>>2727061
I suppose I'm resistant to being too overly enthusiastic about shipping, despite enjoying a lot of fanworks that come from it, because I dislike when people prod streamers themselves about shipping (not exclusive to vtubers).
It's bias on my part, but you are right, it is different for each fanbase.
>>2727598
Perhaps it would have been better phrased as younger fans who aren't yet self-aware about boundaries.

If my oshi doesn't want to be shipped then she should stop smooching her platonic friend on stream.

>>2727789
damn crossick is in a league of its own as always

>>2728070
What, you don't kiss your bros?

>>2728498
No, I don't fondle their tits either.

>>2725162
In the cafeteria?

>>2728746
>he doesn't kiss the homies
What are you, gay?