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26961497 No.26961497 [Reply] [Original]

My older brother was a Talent Agent in the 2000's and was a former PR manager, he's very redpilled about celebrity bs and always mocks me for watching vtubers (boomer fk won't understand 11 years age gap after all), but we had a very interesting conversation earlier regarding root communities.

I talked to him earlier about everyone malding about Calli and was laughing at the same time because of how funny that shit was. Out of all the people I know he was the most intelligent, so I was kind of surprised when he said "That's a bad look for her, they should do something about that." I was confused because I always believed the meme the, "it's just a bunch of schizos, nothing will happen, she'll be fine"

He then elaborated to me how they used to promote talents, and handle controversies. The following is basically my understanding of his boomer rant. When it comes to talent and making money out of them, you don't look at their talent exactly, if talent was all there is to it then why do we have so much talentless hacks? The reason is simple, it's the personality and the talent that mixes together to form a story (narrative), those are what the fans come for, those are what the fans pay for, holding a piece of that story (cd, album, merchandise etc.). That's why they want the talent to succeed, and why they gladly throw their money at them, look at Kanye people love him boh because he's talented in their eyes, but especially because he's a real OG rags to riches. So this vtuber fella you're talking about, sounds like her supporters are buying the same story, and If I was her manager or producer I'd be working my ass off so that image is preserved.

>Inb4 thanks for your vlog

I know it sounds like I'm sucking my bros dick, but I just really wanted to share this gay discussion we had earlier, since it implies that the more Calli ruins her image, it doesn't matter how much proof she has, she'll never fly again.

>> No.26961739

>>26961497
She’s ruined her image plenty of times and has been fine. Vtuber fans are a different beast and will stick with the talent no matter what.

>> No.26961791

>>26961497
>the more Calli ruins her image
Do people outside this board even care? /vt/ isn't a good indicative of the public opinion, yt comments and reddit are more accurate for Hololive

>> No.26961873

>>26961791
No. Nobody outside of here cares. /vt/ just loves drama and hates Mori.

>> No.26961882 [DELETED] 

can i rape pomu now?

>> No.26961962

>>26961739
Tell that to Matsuri

>> No.26961997

>>26961791
>Do outside of vt care about this particular topic?
you can check the YouTube comments on her stream for a start to know what people think about mori own words.

>> No.26962008

>>26961497
Wiggers can't ruin their image.

>> No.26962042

>>26961739
Sunk cost fallacy.
A lot of people buy a cd or two and if they decide they hate the artist its like "oh well, 40 dollars down the drain"
These vtuber faggots are donating THOUSANDS, they don't WANT to see the fact that their pink woman is shit, they literally blind themselves so they don't have to come to terms with the fact that they've given all of their money to a person who is literally trying her hardest to destroy their hobby/passion

>> No.26962069

>>26961791
People are doing damage control everywhere. But people are criticizing her on Twitter, youtube comments and even reddit (with positive updoot).

>> No.26962081

>>26961791
People are mad at her outside of here as well

>> No.26962095

>>26962069
I've seen nothing but dramafaggots here.

>> No.26962148

>>26961739
Like Rushia literally getting exposed as having a boyfriend and yet her whales still moved on to support her new life

>> No.26962149

>>26961791
>vt isn't a good indication

EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, his retort was bland and simple, "Those who hate you with passion, enough to sabotage your career could've been people who support you with zeal and help it grow, so make sure you try your best to minimize your critics"

From what I'm getting rn, even if /vt/ is not the general population they're the most passionate ones, and that's usually enough to turn the tides.

>> No.26962277

>>26962149
Did /vt/ at any point help or destroyed a vtuber?!

>> No.26962301

>>26961497
Your bro needs to keep with the times, it seems that PINKWOMAN is beyond his comprehension

>> No.26962413

>>26962277
A single superchat from /here/ caused an entire week of shitposting and Mori hate here and elsewhere.

>> No.26962430

>>26962148
I think the sunk cost fallacy is just a small portion of it, I think they just really prefer to subscribe to a narrative in their head about a person they hold dear to them. It's suddenly finding out that your father who you look up to is a rapist, you'll be in a long denial phase first before you accept it, and it usually is harder to accept when there's a fk ton of you circle jerkin each others cope.

>> No.26962515

>>26961739
like the cuckbeat janny

>> No.26962579

>>26962149
We are the single most active point of vtuber discussion and your brother is correct on the macro and micro level. And your brother is right, schizo antis and resolute fans are just two sides of the same mentally ill person. What you should really do is take this as an opportunity to see behind the curtain, this whole business is exploitative.

>> No.26962643
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>>26962277
I wonder

>> No.26962692

>>26962301
I'd say otherwise, if Calli was working for Marvel, Disney, etc. I'd say he's wrong; the fans don't feed people who work in those company the investors do (BlackRock).

But Vtubing is a different case, I'd say it's traditional, an industry where your entire career is dependent on the fans, I'd say Calli was right to be scared earlier about her new songs bombing, because the sweet summer child is starting to see what she's becoming, or truly was.

>> No.26962732

>>26961497
This is common sense. You shouldn't have needed your brother to teach you this.

>> No.26962761

>>26962277
/vt/ is not a single entity

The people that post here in aggregate have a huge influence on careers

>> No.26962934

>>26962732
It was more of a discussion about this really >>26962149

People say /vt/ doesn't matter including me, until he started ranting about schizos that will turn you into John Lennon

>> No.26963116

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say a "tough" rap persona is difficult to make work with hololives image

Her "clapping back" at antis is so fucking counterproductive that "condom money" superchatter is probably so happy mori still remembers him longer than any deadbeat

>> No.26963168 [DELETED] 

>>26961497
Anon... There's a reason what Cuck is Cuckbeats second name.

>> No.26963215

>>26962643
>before
>a mentally ill 2view
>after
>a mentally ill 2view with a schizo fanbase
Sugoi

>> No.26963267 [DELETED] 

>>26961497
The thing is Mori's image changed a long time ago. If any deadbeat still believes the "dork femcel that made it through pure willpower" image she had in the beginning, I would call him delusional.
I would say Mori is becoming more of an icon against "le evil incels and idol culture!!1!" or whatever

>> No.26963358

>>26961791
Youtube comments are shitting on her too, even her members.

>> No.26963417

>>26961791
Most people aren't going to go as schizo as people here but lots and lots of people outside of here recognize she did something incredibly stupid and irresponsible

>> No.26963470

>>26961497
Is your bro hot? Post his dick

>> No.26963500

>>26962277
We have saved many dying 2views.

>> No.26963686

>>26961497
And what other family members do you have living inside your head?

>> No.26963737

>>26963470
He's 39, don't be gay

>> No.26963779

>>26963737
I'm 33 and it's only gay if balls touch

>> No.26963806

>>26963686
Sadly only me and my brother, parents died years ago, glad I have a sibling

>> No.26964193

>>26961497
Mori got the universal deal right after the lean yabe.
Short of Mori getting caught with weed in Japan itself she'll keep getting away with it. What your brother doesn't know is how obsessive these communities can be. Just look at Rushia. Her whales just moved from here to there. She came out practically unharmed.

>> No.26964416

>>26961497
Interesting

>> No.26964557

>>26963215
>>26962643
Don't shitpost with my daughter

>> No.26964657

>>26961739
>>26962042
This. Vtuber fans are mentally ill or incredibly lonely.

>> No.26964722
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>>26964557
She's never coming back

>> No.26964809

>>26961497
Does your brother think they all secretly have boyfriends too?
Honestly, I don't want to know the answer.

>> No.26964851

>>26964193
She's anxious for a reason, if the albums flop it's gonna be a doozy for her and future contracts.

>> No.26965964

>>26963358
Yep, a lot of comments with a lot of likes are calling her out under her new music celebration stream.
It's not normal, even for Mori.

>> No.26966069

>>26965964
Is /vt/ botting the comments section? Where have all the yes-men gone?

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26966264

Guys, I'm not sure it's looking too good for Mori...

>> No.26966336

>>26966069
One of them is literally replying to every comment and defending her.

>> No.26966408

>>26966264
Holy shit, fking with Gura is scary. Her fans would turn on her in an instant if our little Gura was suddenly put in harms way.

>> No.26966460

>>26961497
>Calli is ruining her image by doing foolish/crazy shit
>LOOK AT KANYE EVERYONE LOVES KANYE
Nigga.

>> No.26966524

>>26961497
>malding
stopped reading there twitch subhuman faggot. kill yourself

>> No.26966634

>>26966264
zoomers really are the worst generation

>> No.26966677

>>26966264
Sadly she don’t read comments

>> No.26966719

>>26961497
Well, that image is still preserved.

>> No.26966748

>>26966264
Most of these are literal concernposts lmao.

>> No.26966782 [DELETED] 

>>26961497
Part of an appeal of vtubers is watching anime girls do stupid shit (Nina's pl was absolutely right back then), plus there weren't so many deluded sinps in the 00's as now, so she'll be fine.

>> No.26967015

>>26966524
Malding was a term that originated in /v/ in early 2012, I know you're new but you probably shouldn't try to look cool when you're bad at it

>> No.26967076

>>26966408
If any amount of harm comes to Gura I am 100% ready to go full schizo.

>> No.26967100 [DELETED] 

>>26966782
>sinps
I meant simps. Also, the most hilarious thing in this case is the fact two biggest vtubers in the world are in some airbnb rave while Kiara went to fucking maldives.

>> No.26967255

>>26962692
did her latest songs do bad? I haven't kept up with her "music" since I dropped her as my oshi like half a year ago

>> No.26967515

>cuckbeats saying "GURA IS AN ADULT" to deflect all responsibility from Calli
Okay? Leaving an adult alone unconscious at a party where people are doing drugs is still shitty.

>> No.26967658

>>26966460
Kanye isn't an idol.

>> No.26967699

>>26966264
Extremely based
I hope cumbuds can take down Mori

>> No.26967702

>>26967515
"drugs" was legal weed.

>> No.26967734

>>26967015
the fuck it was nigger

>> No.26967771

>>26967515
So is a woman going around without her husband or male family member.
Disgusting fucking whores both of them

>> No.26967793 [DELETED] 

>>26961739
Cuckbeat jannies can only deleting threads so much. Without it her yab went out of control a long time ago

>> No.26967827

BREASTFEED QUIZ?

>> No.26967860

>>26967702
At an EDM rager?

>> No.26967910

>>26967860
A house party. With less than a dozen people.

>> No.26967925

>>26967255
>I dropped her as my oshi like half a year ago
There's your answer

>> No.26967924

>>26966264
I hope Mori gets fucking Rushia'd by Cover for endangering one of her coworkers

>> No.26967995

>>26961791
People who actually watch stream will always be affected more than /vt/, they just stop watching and left no complain, giving damage control department no chance to bring them back

>> No.26968063

>>26967910
Can you back any of that up?

>> No.26968122

>>26967924
She WILL get away with it, like she always does.

>> No.26968123

>>26968063
Not without getting banned but I did my reps and saw the pictures. I would guess 7 guests+Mori and Gura.

>> No.26968151

>>26967702
weed don't get you 'trippin' dawg unless you are a child

>> No.26968217

>>26967924
You know she won't.

>> No.26968218

>>26968151
Mori calls alcohol "lean".

>> No.26968238

>> 26968123
So in other words, you made it up.

>> No.26968291

>>26967910
>less than a dozen
>multi day party
>people are spilling out on the street

>> No.26968305 [DELETED] 

Unironocally based
Cumpedos deserve to have their Oshi streched by chad and tyrone

>> No.26968318
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>>26967076
>he's not going full schizo already
This could finally be the rrat that ends Mori

>> No.26968572

>>26967924
Not a chance. Mori is a way bigger deal than Rushia because of Universal.

>> No.26968601

>>26968318
If a holomem expresses concern then it could actually be.

>> No.26968630

>>26968122
I feel that Callie won't be ever punished for her actions but rather have a similar fate to Matsuri tier of irrelevance in long run, she already is putting everyone into "Concern mode" and most likely will diss this critics in her next song.
Is her childish behavior that will finish putting her in 2 mil subs with 1k live views.

>> No.26968664

>>26962095
go to the "gura met calli" reddit post and sort by controversial

>> No.26968668

>>26968291
It was a birthday party that day.

>> No.26968698

>>26968572
This, money talks

>> No.26968723

>>26968318
I'm not a vindictive cunt that wants to end someone's career because of a DEEPLY fucking stupid mistake. I'm a vindictive cunt that's afraid for the safety of someone I care about very much.

>> No.26968744

>>26966264
>It's on purpose at this point
Mori didn't do it on purpose, it was her sister's fault.

>> No.26968818

>>26968291
Mori is desperate to sounds cool. She's very insecure, that's why she tries to talk like an African American.
I'll bet it was 10 friends hanging out having some drinks, maybe smoking some weed. Some normie took a bong rip or an edible and couldn't handle it and was tripping balls (all of which is legal in CA). Some people steppe don the patio for fresh air or to smoke a cig. Maybe some electronic music playing on a shitty Bluetooth speaker.
Mori desperate to sound cool:
>Full on rager
>Speakers do be bumping
>Tripping balls
>Etc
The party was a nothingburger but them getting location doxxed isn't. Mori should be graduated

>> No.26968821

Cover burned all of HoloCN to the fucking ground. Mori's not invincible because of the Universal shit.

>> No.26968834

>>26968744
She could have told her sister to fuck off

>> No.26968939

>>26968744
She knows her sister so yes it is Mori's fault.
She also didn't put a stop to it as soon as it happened so that makes it her fault if the other part doesn't.

>> No.26968967

>>26967658
I'm just wondering why this retard brought him up.
Kanye is only still relevant BECAUSE of his yabs.

>> No.26969016

>>26968744
She shouldn't have given her sister the means to get in at all.

>> No.26969188

>>26968821
The matter is not IF but WHEN will Mori cross the line. What will be needed for the bitch to get on her head that this behavior is self-destructive, unprofessional or whatever. What kind of yab is she is going to push?

>> No.26969214

>>26966264
Good thing Mori doesn't know how to read

>> No.26969222

>>26968818
They were doxxed? How? I see some replies here saying it's cause of a photo she posted. Is it atleast deleted?

>> No.26969296

>>26969222
>Is it atleast deleted?
I don't know if its true but it's the type of thing you would only need to put on the internet for an hour, maybe even less.

>> No.26969388

mori knowingly and willfully endangered the privacy of one of her coworkers and she should be terminated for it.

>> No.26969404

>>26968967
I think OP meant that black people like Kanye because of what he represented and at the same time he's talented to them. I don't actually think he's saying Kanye is a perfect analogy for a vtuber it's just his brother I would assume is trying to make a point

>> No.26969414

>>26967995
Exactly this, when I left Pomu's membership I didn't go anywhere to read or post stuff I just left.

>> No.26969422

>>26961497
>Making predictions about a brand new market where a huge component of the fanbase doesn't even speak english or live in the USA
The fact that he doesn't take vtubing seriously should already give you an idea of how much to value his opinion

>> No.26969437

>>26969222
a certain someone's possibly blood relative might have maybe posted a 6s video of the supposed house and allegedly the plausible people in it, but i will neither confirm or deny it

>> No.26969518

>>26969388
This. Whatever Rushia did can't possibly be worse.

>> No.26969592

>>26969518
it's actually alarming that her whole channel isn't already wiped clean.

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26969619

Thanks for your vlog, king. Your older brother is lucky to have such a cocksleeve.

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26969670

Rules for thee but not for lean.

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>>26961497

>> No.26969808

>>26969422
Life isn't black and white buddy boy OP's brother could be both right and wrong

>> No.26969852

>>26961791
A decent chunk of responses worried about Gura and the off-collab site with people trying to figure out where they were. That's why you see the people who keep calling other posters acting like it was nothing 'Jeremy'. There was one autistic schizo named Jeremy who spent hours replying to any concerned reply or mad reply with 'Go back' or 'Take your meds' on the stream VoD.

>> No.26970203

>>26962277
Mori keeps making songs to "own" the haters. Also, a 9/11 meme from a general here literally made some vtuber chick go on a rant and retire.

>> No.26970274

>>26966264
Mori doesn't read comments, and has her superchats pre-filtered. If anything negative does somehow pass her sight, she immediately will take another week off to punish the people who actually still watch her.

>>26962149
This is true, in a general sense, but what your brother may not understand is that VTuber fans, idol fans, KPop fans, etc, are NOT your typical fan in a sports or music sense. An abnormally high percentage of them are "ride or die" fanatics who will stick with their idol no matter WHAT shit they do.

>> No.26970748

>>26967910
Per her own words, it's an EDM rager where people were drinking at the curb. Does that sound like a house party to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQF46f6e9NY
>8:55
>"there are people outside and on the curb chillin with them alcohols"
>9:25
>"there was a rager going on, like full on edm like blasting out the windows"
>"I was like yo... we're gonna kicked out... it was bad"
>9:55
>"[repeating friend's words]'anyways I'm tripping balls right now', and I'm like alright that's great"
>12:15
>"I think she's fine right now, she's in a room close to me, away from where the speakers do be bumpin"
>"So I think she's fine, she's just like, 'nononono that's cool, I'm just gonna sleep', so she's sleepin"
>"but i dunno, she could be up to some other... shenanigans, who could say?"
>"I dunno I broke away so I could do this"

So Mori left her asleep alone at an out-of-control rager and has no idea what happened to her

>> No.26970882

>>26962732
I fucking wish common sense were that common.

In the other hand, people being dumb gives us spicy shit like today's drama, brought to you by yours truly, Calliope Mori.

>> No.26970983

>>26967924
If Cover doesn't fire Mori, fans will make their life miserable.

>> No.26971076

>>26970748
I saw the pictures. Like 7 people.

>> No.26971165

>>26969414
That’s the flipside of turning everywhere into hugboxes except /here/ and even worse places. Sure, you get rid of the schizos, but when the only places to criticize a vtuber are places where everybody needs their meds, most people decide not to say out loud what their issues are and just leave silently.

>> No.26971304

>>26961791
This is where people go to let out their real opinions.

>> No.26971591

>>26971076
>believe me anon I saw the pics

I'll take Mori's own words over cuckbeat delusions

>> No.26971802

>>26971591
She lies all the time though, the pictures are reality.

>> No.26971879

Real question is, how much of a sausage fest was it?

>> No.26971892

>>26970203
What was the meme?

>> No.26971941

>>26971879
Mostly woo girls and one gay guy.

>> No.26972001

>>26971591
Moris a loser and tries to make herself sound cooler than she is. It was a small gathering.

>> No.26972029

>>26971941
Since you're definitely the gay guy, show us pics

>> No.26972064

>>26971802
actual pictures are reality, cuckbeat claims about unsourced pictures are delusions

>> No.26972068

>>26972029
The gay guy was the guy with his shirt off.

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>>26971892
https://twitter.com/Cimrai/status/1505373599489789953

>> No.26972105

>>26972064
Do your own reps.

>> No.26972131

>>26970748
Why did she bother saying any of this? she had to know what she was doing.
>I'm tripping balls
>up to "shenanigans"

WHAT WAS SHE THINKING? If i was bringing an introverted friend to a party of strangers I would be checking up on them every 30 mins or so

>> No.26972260

>>26972071
Kek that's tame as fuck for 9/11 memes. I've seen twitter do way worse ones to people and they laugh it off.

>> No.26972272

>>26972131
i could impregnate gura 28 times in 30 minutes

>> No.26972279

>>26972068
lets see

>> No.26972358

>>26972071
Kek, imagine not being able to take a joke.

>> No.26972373

>>26966264
Aww you didn't even bother putting me in the screen as well, I had a decent amount of likes as well...

>> No.26972386

>>26972105
impossible since mori/gura wouldn't and haven't posted any pics, and family members made their social media private a while ago

>> No.26972446

Something I haven't seen ANYBODY bring up in all this shitposting is that:
It's an AirBnB. Gura's room probably has a lock. If she wanted privacy she's got it.

>> No.26972458

>>26961497
Your brother comes from an era before 4chan as a social media community and the malding is only on 4chan and its satellite communities. 4chan doesn't matter. Nobody cares about what anon malds about. When it starts overtaking reddit and Twitter then they should look into it.

>> No.26972646

>>26972446
It's an interior door in an American house rented out as an AirBnB. The lock wasn't keyed and could be unlocked with a penny.

>> No.26972672

>>26972458
Why don't you check Twitter or Reddit before making posts like this

>> No.26972701

>>26970748
I wish this was true but Mori is such a fucking poser who doesn't know shit and wants to be "cool" (to middle schoolers) so bad I can't fully believe it. But as long as it hurts her career I am happy.

>> No.26973241

>>26972646
>The lock wasn't keyed
How do you know?

>> No.26973266

>>26972071
Didn't she quit because people were editing her IRL face on loli porn?

>> No.26973348

>>26973241
In America a lot of the doors are shitty. If it doesn't have a deadbolt any flat and stiff object can be used to pry open a locked door in most houses.

>> No.26973487

>>26972446
also anybody can just knock on the door and Gura would be autstic eanught to open

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>>26973241
Interior doorknobs are cheap with really shitty locks. You can open most of them with a penny or butter knife. Some can even be opened with a thick fingernail or just pressing on the lock and twisting.
Even if you were to put a deadbolt on the door, unless it's a solid wood/metal door with a matching frame, somebody could drunkenly shoulder-check the door and probably get in anyway. Maybe even by accident if they're drunk/strong enough.
Considering CA has such a bad problem with "Party Airbnbs" that they had to write a special exemption in electrical regulation to tax the shit out of the owners, those houses are probably either made of every cut corner they can be, or have awful upkeep.

>> No.26973757

This drama isn't real. It's manufactured. They do this shit on purpose. You are being exploited.

>> No.26973963

>>26961497
>kanye
>rags to riches
OP you're the real boomer, you zoomer retard.

>> No.26974399

A house party!!??
She's lucky to be alive. I wonder how many remaining limbs she has now.
Shenanigans!!!??
Was Gura doing phentanyl, spitting on the Bible or performing abortions?

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>>26973757

>> No.26974492

>>26973757
are they in the room with you right now, bro?

>> No.26974494

>>26973757
Next you'll say the Montreal Screwjob was a work.

>> No.26974527
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>>26973757
>>26974452

>> No.26975811

>>26973757
>Mori, pressured by universal, needs a bigger sub growth than what she is seeing right now
>Decide to yabbait subs by including the largest vtuber she has access to in a dumb drama
Calliope Jewri, I kneel!

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Gawr Gura the vtuber from Hololive EN

>> No.26976627

>>26964809
Yeah and they all bang each other if they don’t

>> No.26977365

>>26969388
And not just any coworker, but one that got previously doxxed to hell and back. I don't even care about goomba but that shit clearly left her scarred.
If mori wanted to ruin her own life that's one thing, but to have her shit splatter over someone else is a serious dick move. That's the real issue to me

>> No.26977460

>>26972672
I did. Maybe you should look at the front page of the communities instead of being linked directly to the threads.
One in every 100+ posts isn't anything worth talking about.

>> No.26977807

>>26973266
Nah, they did loli commissions of her model.

>> No.26977894 [DELETED] 

>>26961497
>mori posts cuckbeats
posts roommate ep about how she should care fot her fans and job more, but its hard
>mori collabs with jp a bunch
releases capsule and signs with japanese label
>mori gets gura raped
muh new song about being a villain

Your brother is absolutely right about narratives, but lives in the past were people weren't mentally ill.

>> No.26977915

>>26977365
Newfag here what happened? I've heard her parents got doxed or something not sure what happened?

>> No.26977981

>>26977365
Exactly. If it was just Mori alone, everyone would make fun of her for a while, but ultimately not care. Bringing Guta into this involves not only chumbuds, but pretty much all other fans too, since there is a good chance that she will pull this shit again when someone else is visiting.

>> No.26978087

>>26966408
Gura and ame have the most schizo gosling viewer bases.
To give an example the ame astel incident, which resulted in ame in making a concerted effort to never talked about any the things she actually likes ever again because of how badly her viewers reacted

>> No.26978186

>>26978087
The what now?

The only thing I know Astro is that he donated to Ame once and that was it.

>> No.26978217

>>26978087
That's just not true. She fangirled on twitter over Shien's 3D stream and even has his mascot in her current office. Ignoring homobeggars and cucks doesn't mean she hides what she likes.

>> No.26978232

>>26977915
Gura used to let slip several seemingly innocent roommate tidbits on her streams which led to her, her family, and even a previous employer get doxxed.

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>>26972071

>> No.26978409

>>26973241
>how do i know you are not american

>> No.26978419

>>26966264
That first one knew mori better than mori.
She says she's an adult but acts like a desperate teenager

>> No.26978505

>>26978314
hehe shork

>> No.26978547

>>26978186
He donated, she fangirl'd and asked him to come back again , and then people went schizo mode attacking astel for a week, she later apologized to him and said she wouldn't bother him anymore

>> No.26978672

>>26961497
Mori's the drama magnet, and every brand needs that. Otherwise it gets built up somewhere else. Like last month when Mori was quiet, and people started calling Fauna a witch. There will always be someone the drama focuses on. Mori's unironically the best one for it.

>> No.26979047

>>26967771
Nice larp, but an orthodox SEA muslim wouldn't be awake at like 2AM WIB. Gotta rest properly before your morning prayers inshallah.

>> No.26979056

>>26978672
She becomes a liability once she involves other talents with her shit, and that's exactly what happened.

>> No.26979141

>>26966264
it's n-nothing burger...just forget about it already...

>> No.26979763

>>26969222
Her sister posted photos on her Instagram story

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>>26966264
>Even TonyBones, one of Mori's loyal pay pigs, is shitting on her
Oh nononono Cuckbeats not like this

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I hate Mori so much dude

>> No.26980549

>>26961497
As a former Cuckbeat, your absolutly right OP. I was invested with Mori from day 1 because I really liked the underdog story (also her model hits all my tastes), but as soon as I noticed she started to get more and more egotistical I started to slowly lose interest in her. When the Connor yab happened I lost all respect for her. I even super chatted to her regularly because I convinced myself I was giving my money to someone who really needed it, but man do I fucking regret it because now she's just a fucking cunt

>> No.26980556

>>26961791
/#/ has been tracking her slow decline for a while. Mori barely has an audience watching her and her songs are doing worse and worse over time, hence the view begging in her latest stream. She's fucking herself over, but the effects are happening slowly

>> No.26980597

Mori was with Gura for two days and is already creating drama. This seems like a nothingburger but I really do wish she would just go away so we never have to deal with this shit

>> No.26980617

Mori, I know you're /here/ and read these threads.
I love your music, and I'm one of the few that loved it even before you were Mori, but if this is the kind of shit that happens between you dropping tracks, I never want another one ever again. Supporting your music ain't worth supporting the rest of the shit you got going on.
I thought being retarded on purpose was supposed to be out of fashion?

>> No.26980802

>>26980549
props to you for having the self-respect to jump ship. blows my mind that there are people still watching her

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>>26966264
Tranny jannies I know you deleted my fucking reply to this post for no reason it's a fact TonyBones is a well respected deadbeat and him being mad proves that this isn't a nothing burger

>> No.26980898

>>26980549
She really should have been an underdog story but she's too easily manipulated. Look at how her sister so easily managed to get her to do something so stupid and think about what the TT fags have been telling her about Hololive for the past 2 years.

Mori was never able to give it her best because she got poisoned against idol culture from day 1.

>> No.26980947 [DELETED] 

>>26980117
>>26980829
why delete those posts?

>> No.26980955

>>26980802
>replying to yourself to compliment yourself about how big your sick is for no longer watching a VTuber
Why though

>> No.26980959

>>26980829
Cuckbeat Janny in absolute shambles lmao

>> No.26980992

>>26980556
No they haven’t. Why are you lying about easily verifiable shit.
Also
>#
>knowing anything

>> No.26981007 [DELETED] 

>>26980947
Tranny janny who is a deadbeat gets upset when you point out how shit Mori is

>> No.26981043

>>26972701
Mori really is the embodiment of a poser, isn't she?

>> No.26981046

>>26962081
Containment breaches don't count lmao. When all of these people on reddit spouting RRats first posted here its clear its just /vt/ still lmao. Same for the youtube comments.

>> No.26981060

>>26980992
Yes they have, the data clearly shows it.

>> No.26981075 [DELETED] 

>>26981007
Help Help I’m being oppressed.
Is there anything more pathetic than this kind of whining?

>> No.26981234

>>26961497
That's just the standard old showbiz rule. Maintain the illusion at all times.

>> No.26981554

All of this 'cause she throw out a party in her house and gura happened to be there? rent free

>> No.26981668

>>26981060
...so, where's that data?

>> No.26981702

>>26981554
not rent free, airbnb

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>>26980955
Because you're delusional

>> No.26981815

>>26980992
all of hololive is in decline and has been for a while

>> No.26981852

>>26981554
>She
No her sister. The people there were total strangers to Mori and already drunk before she arrived and she involved Gura into it.

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>>26981075

>> No.26982314

what happened with mori this time?

>> No.26982418

>>26982314
>mori allowed a party to be thrown at an airBNB which is explicitly against their terms of service
> by allowing said party to be held at the same airBNB that mori, gura, and possibly other myth members will be staying at mori has compromised the security of the location and put them all at risk of doxxing and stalking
> mori admitted that drug use was present at said party by recounting events of a guest telling her they were "tripping balls". By exposing fellow talents to this mori risks not just her own career but guras as well. japan does not take drug abuse lightly.
> after having established all of this mori supposed that gura may be up to "shenanigans".
> mori broadcasts all of this to the public
> mori's sister posts location tagged picture of the party to instagram

>> No.26982449

>>26982314
>>26970748

>> No.26982504

>>26982418
Put into such succinct form its a very juicy yab

>> No.26982733

>>26982418
>>mori allowed a party to be thrown at an airBNB
Mori allowed her sister and her BF
what they arrived to was a party that was already happening
stupid decision, knowing the type of person her sister is, but you're starting with a falsehood

>> No.26982778

>>26982733
mori knew her sister wanted to throw a party. she knew and she gave her the house code, that's indisputable. That mori's sister endedu p inviting way more people than mori thought is moot.

>> No.26982803

>>26982733
She allowed the party by not throwing them out. She knew about it before Gura arrived

>> No.26982810

>>26966748
Only womenchildren consider caring about someone's career and reputation as concernfagging.

>> No.26982845

>>26961497
>"it's just a bunch of schizos, nothing will happen, she'll be fine"
retard.
it's like being a tranny at this point, every cell of the matter says "calli is wrong" even if cuckbeats lie about it

>> No.26982886

>>26982418
That's just the bare facts
it's more about the general vibe than what literally happened.
>Mori ruins the "super best friends" keyfabe by prioritizing her real life family and friends over her gen mate
>Mori thinks anime and vtubers are for dorks, and that partying with drugs and alcohol is so much cooler
>Vtuber fans are mostly shy introverts, so a story like "ha ha I unexpectedly dragged her to a party where she doesn't know anyone and then left her to fend for herself" brings up bad memories
Do you remember the TTRPG session with ina's character where Mori was basically torturing her by forcing her to stay at a frat party? This is what we're imagining her doing to Gura, but for real

>> No.26982903

>>26982418
Even ignoring her culpability in creating the situation she could have easily avoided a yab by not talking about it on stream and we all would be none the wiser. Or better yet she could have just not streamed at all that night, oh but then she couldn't have her song released after party.. once again she proves that literally nothing matters to her outside her own immediate interests.

>> No.26982923

>>26979763
MorImouto is an enemy.

>> No.26982934

>>26972458
>4chan doesn't matter.
4chan consists of normal people who don't have constrains of identity for correctspeak

>> No.26982959

>>26982803
no, she did not, that's not how English work
she allowed it to continue (seeing as her only other option was calling the police, which would completely ruin Myth's plans), on the demand that the guests pipe down and don't go upstairs
when it appeared like some may have tried, they were kicked out, assumedly by the same sister

>> No.26982981

>rushia gets fired for endangering her coworkers
>nothing happening with mori
where is the justice?

>> No.26982987

>>26982934
>4chan consists of normal people
kek

>> No.26983014

>>26982418
>> mori's sister posts location tagged picture of the party to instagram
does anyone have the Instagram link or pic? not the location but it sounds pretty bad and i would be interested to see

>> No.26983017

>>26981060
So post it then
Put up or shut up

>> No.26983018

>>26982981
give it a few days

>> No.26983057

>>26982987
Yes, you'd be surprised how degenerate and evil the regular person is when nobody is watching

>> No.26983070

>>26981772
>inspect element doesn’t exist

>> No.26983078

>>26981043
guess so, not from any hard places like bronx or southie, vtubing despite not really being into the anime stuff or any sort of nerd. She should just go independent.

>> No.26983088

>>26983057
sounds like you're projecting anon

>> No.26983106

>>26982981
It took a while for Rushia to get fired too. The wheels of justice turn slowly.

>> No.26983121

>>26983078
Southie ain't been hard for minute kid

>> No.26983125

>>26966264
god damn i can FEEL the graduation
i will actually celebrate the day i never have to see or hear from her again

>> No.26983160

>>26980898
>what the TT fags have been telling her about Hololive for the past 2 years
This. They even tried to convince kson to ignore her members and fans and stream however she liked. They have an issue with people that listen to their fanbase since they don't. All 3 are making really good money with Youtube and have a paycheck from Geeks+ so they feel no need to keep a fanbase but vtubers have to keep and grow their viewership. If JP fans don't like facecam then Kson only does them on rare occasion on YT and almost exclusively on Twitch(JP fans aren't on Twitch).

>> No.26983238

>>26982418
I've been saying all along she would gone by the end of summer 2022 but I thought it would be graduation and not termination.

>> No.26983319

>>26982886
That sounds really shitty for Gura. Mori knows she has struggled with substance abuse. That not what a "Homie" would do.

>> No.26983330

>>26983160
Ironic weebs actively try to poison the scene with western eceleb faggotry, that's the core reason people hate them being anywhere near hololive and why people hate mori for giving them an "in"

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>>26983238
>>26983106

>> No.26983371

>>26982959
>she allowed it to continue (seeing as her only other option was calling the police
Or you just say "parties over, everybody fuck off" like a non pussy. Imagine thinking the only options are being a total pushover or calling the cops.

>> No.26983374

We all know if she pulled this shit with a JP talent the graduation announcement would have already happened. Suisei fans would leave her in a ditch (as an example). She's incredibly lucky the EN management is probably a bunch of empowerment shitters

>> No.26983381

>>26982981
They are looking into this right now. I hope Gura's manager is taking this shit seriously cuz I know Calli's manager spends her time diminishing her yabs to the JP bosses.

>> No.26983422

If this is the same bnb that myth is gonna use for the big off collab. Then that means there’s potential for even bigger drama which will be funny

>> No.26983424

>Mori is finished says increasingly nervous man for the 100th time today
Nothing will happen, Mori will not be affected by this.
>But the data, the decline
All of Hololive is in decline so your point is moot.
>>26982981
Rushia got fired for violating her contract, a colossal difference.
I know you guys are desperate for something but this ain't it.

>> No.26983426

>>26982903
god this. why in holy hell would she say any of this shit? It's actual malice at this point

>> No.26983471

>>26983106
JP fans would have already forced cali into retirement, EN fans are too pussy to force covers hand

>> No.26983505

>>26983424
Mori violated her (airbnb) contract, she's finished

>> No.26983526

>>26983374
If it happened with Reine or Kobo she'd be 6 ft under by now.

>> No.26983540

>>26983330
It all boils down to "misery loves company"/narcissistic rage. It's not enough that they need to deal with the miserable state of their entertainment. Everyone else's entertainment must be just as shit as theirs. In the name of "justice" and "giving entertainers freedom" and all that BS, of course.

>> No.26983547

>>26973757
Exploited out of what? I'm shitposting at work.

>> No.26983566

>>26983471
Take the lead then, what we do boss

>> No.26983567

>>26983356
She literally doesn't and proves it on a regular basis. Vtubing and idol culture is lame to her and her antituber buddies. she's extremely self centered so everyone else must feel the same.

>> No.26983587

>>26961791
>yt comments and reddit are more accurate for Hololive
You are aware people have criticized her on both of those sites, not just for this but during the Connor saga as well, right?

>> No.26983671

>>26983422
Gotta find a new place now.
>>26983424
Okay, Cover employee.
>>26983567
When I saw her unable and unwilling to kayfabe weeks after debut I knew she was going to be the anti-vtuber. Her references to reaping and scythe swinging have always been tongue in cheek and ironic. It should've been Milkyqueen.

>> No.26983711

>>26983422
If she does anything remotely similar to this with Ame, it will be her last mistake.

>> No.26983752

>>26983671
>milkyqueen
she's also a c*nnor dickrider so careful with that monkey paw

>> No.26983767

>>26983160
>>26983330
It’s honestly pretty fun that the TT guys had basically no drama before until they started to get involved with vtubers and their shitty malicious behavior became more public

>> No.26983781

>>26983088
a different thing is that you're clueless about your capability of snapping into rage, that doesn't make you good just naive

>> No.26983814

>>26983752
I wish someone would give cdawg false rape allegations and end him already

>> No.26983851

>>26983422
They're legit retarded if they don't get a new place now and also management if they're not breathing fire at them to do so

>> No.26983885

>>26983160
I think the TT guys are just resentful at Holos for how quickly their success came

>> No.26983906

>>26983424
I'm pretty sure endangering and potentially doxxing your coworkers falls under breaking NDA

>> No.26983939

>>26983057
god you sound like a 12 yo whos been in this site for 4 weeks

>> No.26983948

>>26983906
>potentially doxxing
>potentially
no potentially about it now, it's happened. the address was found.

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I still love that these are all the most upvoted comments on that VoD.

>> No.26983979

>>26983906
Depends if they want her out the door or not

>> No.26984033

>>26983767
They've always been known and hated on /a/ that's why people were doomposting before she went on the first podcast. People knew what they were about and were rightfully worried about them trend hopping into the vtuber scene

>> No.26984100

>>26983885
What tipped you off? It's not like they make any effort to hide their hateboners

>> No.26984281

>>26966264
Lol lmao

>> No.26984301

>>26983939
you're retarded if you don't think I'm right
do you talk like a fucking autist in real life?
nigger

>> No.26984309

>>26966336
Post it. Sounds hilarious.

>> No.26984400

>>26968664
all the controversial comments have been deleted lmao

>> No.26984420

>>26984301
forgot to say cope and seethe and ogey

>> No.26984526

>>26984033
Oh I didn’t know they were hated on /a/ they seemed to be well liked everywhere else so I assumed a didn’t give a shit since anime fans normal shit on mothers basement or digibro

>> No.26984536

>>26970983
Sure. Chumkeks got nothing on deadkeks.

>> No.26984580

Don't care, Mori still my oshi

>> No.26984608

The saddest thing is how so many of her greyname fans just rushed to defend her ignoring any issues of Gura possibly being uncomfortable or at the very least the safety of her identity considering Mori's "family member" and "significant other" know she's a vtuber and could inadvertently cause Gura to be doxxed.

>> No.26984668

>>26984400
Can’t think on Reddit just like and agree with all the popular content just consume

>> No.26984682

>>26983965
Anyone who seemed more concerned with Gura than Mori got mass disliked.

>> No.26984700

>>26961497
TL;DR BITCH MOTHERFUCKER

>> No.26984727

>>26984682
Isn't that proof that Mori's own fans are in the camp of 'that was real dumb of you' then?

>> No.26984780

>lol let's go to a hotel and suck dicks

>> No.26984828

>>26980549
falseflagger

>> No.26984845

>>26972672
>zero trending topics
oh nyo

>> No.26984865

>>26969670
In REDACTED's case, she panicked and started throwing internal memos and company employee names at some drama channel in order to try and save her own skin from dealing with heat from the bf notification drama.
All reaper did was usher shark into a side room to hide her from her sister.
Not the same.

>> No.26984895

>>26984727
no?

>> No.26985036

>>26981815
>And other hilarious jokes nijiniggers tell themselves

>> No.26985057

>>26983319
>Mori knows
I don't think she even knows all her senpai's names

>> No.26985070

>>26984400
Good riddance lmao. You know it was all people from a containment leak from /vt/ shitting up reddit. Bandwaggoning isn't allowed on reddit lmao and that's exactly what was happening

>> No.26985104

>>26984865
You're right, the reaper was much worse.

>> No.26985111

>>26961497
mucho texto

>> No.26985121

>>26983057
>>26984301
I always act civil and respectful though, even on 4chan. Because what I say here could actually hurt people.
The only exception is when talking about Mori though. She really needs to stop drinking stupid bitch juice.

>> No.26985147

>>26983587
Holofags are Mori antis. What happened to one big family haha

>> No.26985171

>>26985121
Mori did nothing wrong

>> No.26985179

>>26968630
what acc happened to matsuri? in terms of just feeling like she fell off a cliff in relevance

>> No.26985211

>>26985057
Huh funny you say that ehrn she's collabed more with JP the most out of EN.

>> No.26985282

>>26985179
Deflecting Deadbeats

>> No.26985291

>>26985057
She does now after getting caught not knowing who suisei is same with with kornii and sora

>> No.26985339

>>26985291
What the fuck. You're making shit up.

>> No.26985362

>>26985211
Newfag doesn’t know calli didn’t know a single jp before joking and got caught not knowing who Suisei or sora were

>> No.26985436

>>26985362
Who cares about irrelevant JP shitters

>> No.26985453

>>26985147
We always hated EN.

>> No.26985495

>>26968664
>[deleted]
>[deleted]
>[deleted]
As expected from the biggest hugbox in the internet

>> No.26985515

>>26985362
Who gives a shit about jp?

>> No.26985767

>>26984526
The only people that like them are the "omg have you heard of this MHA cartoon? yea I'm such a nerd teehee" normalfags

>> No.26986094

>>26983767
They've had controversies before like the charity scam and Connor being friends with a child predator.

>> No.26986296

>>26980549
Her story was always complete bullshit. She was never poor, she was destitute by choice. Even the person that supposedly turned her down and broke her heart is actually fucking her.

Never trust a thing she says. She's a pathological liars.

>> No.26986462

>>26985291
Suisei's sister. Calli had no clue who 'Anemachi' was on Coco's meme review last year. I'm certain she knows who Suisei is since they've collabed multiple times.
>>26985767
All 3 have original fanbases that were underage. Some have stuck with them like Ollie but others are newfag high school kids. Connor, in particular, is nicknamed 'The 93%' for having almost entirely female fanbase of western fujos.

>> No.26986772

>>26986094
Charity scam? Child predator friend? You mean joey?

>> No.26986896

Best thing you can do as a cuckbeat (I jumped ship 8 months ago) is become a Kronie watch her and Mumei almost exclusively and enjoy the Fauna and Gura collabs and your /vt/ life will become incredibly more enjoyable and you'll have the best oshi in EN

>> No.26986954

>>26966264
The only thing I look for are membership icons and how old they are. Last night there were a lot of Pink Skulls in the top comments all mentioning Gura. They're mostly gone now either deleted or dropped to the bottom. Mori talks about owning the "haters" but she's actually created a new set of them that hate anyone that goes against Mori.

>> No.26987067

>>26986094
I should have been more clear I meant in the sense of no real drama that has effected them in a real way. The charity scam, the flying colors, the noble drama, the idol mecha drama. None of those really seemed to effect them

>> No.26987161

>>26986094
I mean I’m sure Connor is a child predator so it makes sense he would have been friends with one

>> No.26987262

>>26969388
Anon knowingly and willfully would mean she throw the party herself and forced Gura into it.
Her sister threw it and didn't tell her about it.

>> No.26987272

>>26961497
>>26961739
>>26961791
Everyone already literally stopped caring.

>> No.26987324

>>26982903
Every time I start to forgive and forget her last fuckup she always does something new to remind me that she's a selfish thot that doesn't belong in hololive

>> No.26987363

>>26987262
she provided her sister with access to the house. the rest was the foreseeable outcome of that dangerous error. she is fully culpable and must be terminated.

>> No.26987538

>>26986772
They were part of a rugpull crypto & data mining scam that got exposed and shut down before any real damage was done. Of course they totally didn't know anything about it despite one of their girlfriends being on the board

>> No.26987651

>moron needed his brother to tell him that it's better to have more people like you than hate you

>> No.26987672

>>26984865
things mori did
1) violate airBNB terms of service by allowed a party to be held at the residence
2) expose herself and another cover talent to drug use
3) enable a situation in which the location of cover talents was compromised and became publicly known, endangering them and violating their privacy
4) slanderously insinuate one of their talents was up to no good at said party with drug use present
5) broadcast all of this information to the public as it was happening, exacerbating point 3.

You're right, it's not the same, what mori did was much, much worse.

>> No.26987772

>>26987672
>expose herself and another cover talent to drug use
The funniest thing is that this happened after the lean incident.

>> No.26987783

>>26962042
Now you understand how unicorn feel when bf yab happen

>> No.26987935

>>26962277
NijiEN female survived because of threads made in /vt/. Several /here/ chubba yab revealed and the backlash is strong enough to make some 2view retired

>> No.26988083

>>26987538
Don’t expect intelligence from their fans. There’s are the same people who claim that trash taste is independent despite all being sponsored to live in Japan by the company who owns bookwalker

>> No.26988510

>>26985436
>>26985515
People with standards

>> No.26988834

>>26987672
She admitted on stream that she was "tripping balls". How anyone can interpret that as anything other than her being high on drugs is beyond me.

>> No.26989313 [DELETED] 

>>26967076
Me too, no mercy for cuckbeat

>> No.26989311

>>26966264
there's a couple members but it's mostly greys. now whether or not those greys are membered to Gura is a different story. i also did see a couple comments say that most of those commenting were extremely new accounts but someone else can go verify that

>> No.26989516

>>26986772
Flying Colors Foundation I think it was called. And the pedo friend was Connor's I think. The fact that Connor did lewd voice lines as anime guys for people he knew were minors is sketchy enough.

>> No.26989587

>>26988834
Heavy amounts of copium and cognitive dissonance is required.

>> No.26989607

>>26982810
I mean to say they're not the "OMG WHAT A WHORE"-posts deadbeats want them to be.

>> No.26989629

>>26988834
She did, I heard it. rrat confirmed.

>> No.26989698

>>26988834
No, you don't understand, there were a bunch of guys with their balls out all over the floor and she was tripping on it.

>> No.26989714

>>26988834
I hear she also thinks Coolsville sucks.

>> No.26989945

>>26988834
Oh my god no let me clarify before I peace out, not actually “tripping balls…” just partying hard….I need to learn the actually meanings of some of these new age words lmao

>> No.26990560

>>26985147
I'm unironically a hololive daremo daisuki tribalfag, except for mori. She's literally the only member I've ever wanted to see graduate and she routinely reinforces that opinion. I honest to god would bring back the CN branch if it meant her getting the boot.

>> No.26994711

>>26989516
Notice of Connor also started sudden saying how much he loves milfs after that story came up again a while ago. Makes you wonder

>> No.26994918

>>26994711
>c*nnor gets outed as a pedo
>mori will still defend him
>deadbeats will still defend mori

>> No.26995510

>>26985121
>Because what I say here could actually hurt people.
Cringe. I would pass you for a reason that it becomes an habit, I'll give you that. Being disrespectful never makes you win an argument

>> No.26995621

>>26994918
Honestly I don’t even think it would sink connor bet he would be able to taiga or James’s Charles his way out of it

>> No.26998027

>>26994918
He's also rabidly anti loli so it makes him even more suspect.

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