/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>26185381
>Vtuber music fucking sucks.
>Kayfabe is retarded.
>Donating money is dumb, they already making money doing their job, buy mech if you want something because at least you actually got something out of it.
>Voms is only group where all the members are likeable people.
>Holo vs whatever big company is just DC vs Marvel or Console war shit for weebs
That all I got for now.

>>26185381
>Suisei is not as good a singer as everyone says she is, easily being outclassed by Risu and AZKi
While this is true, she is cover's cashcow and one of the main attractions due to her charming personality and influence over retarded JOP and EOP mediocre audience. Therefore, she's being pushed more than the rest.

>>26185796
Only 2 of your takes are Understandable, the rest is just caused by your shit taste

>>26185381
only SEAfaggots rate Risu

>>26185381
Unpopular but all valid, besides the last one(stop outing yourself like that jewbeat).

Here's an actual unpopular opinion:
>I think vtubers should be allowed to date and even talk about it on stream

>>26185381
>>26185796
These are all extremely popular opinions on this board, like I see them repeated so often they could be the norm rather than the exception.

didn't read

>>26185796
>>Holo vs whatever big company is just DC vs Marvel or Console war shit for weebs
based.
>>Kayfabe is retarded.
cringe.

>>26185381
I think Ollie is flawed but her heart is in the right place since she is a genuine Holofan, if she wasn't so menhera and had better behavior/less yabs she would be one of the best. I agree about HoloID being HoloEN but better.

I unironically watch and enjoy the Holostars, even some of the less popular ones. I hope Aruran or Temma becomes fluent in English someday.

I don't mind unicorns at all as long as they don't actively become antis, but I am disappointed in unicorns who don't call out the unicorns who do become anti and attack others.

I don't want StarsEN, I would prefer to have some fully bilingual StarsJP members instead.

>>26186255
Only SEAfaggots have taste then.

>>26186285
I think Calli could actually be an EN Suisei if she didn't act like such a disrespectful idiot all the time. When she's not making a huge ass of herself, then fighting people and doubling down when people call her on it, she's actually not that bad.

>>26186255
Listen to Risu sing Stellar Stellar live then listen to Suisei do it. It's so obvious who's better.

>>26185381
>None of HoloEN hate each other your just projecting.

>>26185381
>Suisei is not as good a singer as everyone says she is, easily being outclassed by Risu and AZKi
Suisei herself says that there are better singers than her.

>>26185381
I mean, there are 'unpopular opinions', and there is just being a retarded.
Calli is goddamn awful at singing. She's improving, but still like, bad. When she joined she was easily Noel tier. Noel is charming, at least, and knows she sucks so she makes it cute. Just watch singing live, especially at Suisei's birthday concert and it's APPALLING.
And AZki is amazing, she's technically superb. Her and Suisei tough competition for best. Just that Suisei has the amazing voice buff and power for days. Risu is too unpolished. If she took it seriously, she could be best.
I guess that's my unpopular opinion to people without ears.
>If Risu took singing as seriously as Suisei, she'd be the best in Hololive.

>>26187874
but hoshiyomis will say otherwise

>>26185381
>I hate Nightmea because watching a desperate unwashed woman try so fucking hard to win dick triggers my cringe meter. Rui-nee is obviously the superior choice.
>Nip chuubas are superior to EN chuubas in every aspect, even in the whore department. There's nip chuubas who review sex toys for men/women, punishment games, vibrator karaoke, vibrator Jenga, aphrodisiac review and loads more. EN whores can only talk about period shit and their boyfriends while watching YouTube videos. The one that is on Chaturbate does nothing different compared to the rest of the site.

The Hololive vs. Nijisanji dichotomy is retarded and every tribalfags should jump off a cliff.

>>26186531
>Listen to Risu sing Stellar Stellar live then listen to Suisei do it. It's so obvious who's better.
I do vote for Risu too but if it's about Stellar Stellar then Suisei is better. Because that is Suityan's song so she's very familiar with the notes and stuff, and Suisei had a way better training than Risu.
But Risu will mog Sui if she can get a proper vocal training.

>>26188124
>Risu is too unpolished. If she took it seriously, she could be best.

Are you actually brain damaged? Honest question. Or maybe you're just deaf.

>>26188430
That's what someone with actual brain damage would say. Risu is the definition insane talent. She lacks polish. But even then, she's easily a top tier in Hololive, just under the likes of Suisei, AZki, Moona and Sora.

>>26185381
>HololiveID is HoloEN but good (aside from Ollie)
Except Kobo.
Holo ID is EN Lite, attracting the same pool of fans but making fewer numbers and revenue. To the point of they reclined at the same time as EN reclined.

Things might change though depending on Kobo. If she can maintain her ID fans and will be able to make more revenue while her EN pandering genmates stagnated and declined in revenue, the ID management might recruit a full gen of ID pandering talents for ID4, thus ending the era if EN pandering for Holo ID.

>>26185381
>HololiveID is HoloEN but good (aside from Ollie)
Ollie did a lot of shitty things but she is a good entertainer. I dont know who is objectively better than her. Kobo is just Indo Gura on steroids that appeals to turbo normies (several Indos confirmed this for me because I dont understand their language). Other than those 2, the rest of ID is pretty average. This depends on your personal taste obviously but you cant convince me that Reine is better than IRyS for example or that Zeta is better than Fauna.
Risu is my favorite one but she barely streams so...yeah.

Streaming is an inferior medium, if Hololive released pre-edited videos there wouldn't be a need for clip channels in the first place

>>26188152
No, the ones that say that she's the best are threadreaders and globalfags. Hoshiyomis admit that there are better singers than her.

>>26185796
>Vtuber music fucking sucks.
Totally true
vtuber music has very low standards. if it wasn't for the number i would throw my phone every time i hear vtuber's songs

>>26189040
The problem with streaming is that almost everyone streams the same thing in a similar manner. It gets boring real quick.

This Enna schizo needs to just walk into a busy street already

Vtubers that let dead air take over their streams are immediately mediocre in my eyes and anons claiming that not talking is a positive are retarded as fuck.

>>26185381

>I think vtubers who giggle over and over are extremely annoying.
I don't know how people can sit through 30 seconds of Selen's streams. Bottom denominator normie shit. Props to her for being able to keep up that energy though.

>Suisei is not as good a singer as everyone says she is, easily being outclassed by Risu and AZKi
Suisei is a hella good singer. Her cover of Kakusei blows the original clean out of the water. But Risu, she's something else. Suisei is superb, but Risu is incredible.

>HololiveID is HoloEN but good (aside from Ollie)
Yup. Sad that Ollie flopped so hard despite having one of the strongest and most promising debut streams ever.

>Calli would be a good vtuber, maybe even the best, if she actually treated this profession with respect and acted with dignity
She definitely has had her wholesome moments. I dunno about ever becoming the best since she often does not know what to say (and falls back on her cringe shit), but she could at least conduct herself better.

>>26185381
>Calli would be a good vtuber, maybe even the best, if she actually treated this profession with respect and acted with dignity

Honestly Calli should just quit while she's ahead I fucking hate her.

Mori doesn't give a shit when it comes to being a chuuba. Only using hololive as a front to spread her shit music that only a wigger could come up with. If I wanted to listen to shitty rap I would pay a crackhead to mumble random shit before I'd listen to anything she produces

>>26191797
A Karen flow + J-pop influences make her raps sound very weird. Her April Fool's tracks are ironically not as bad if you can ignore the shittiness of the voice changer she used.

>>26188411
>le vocal training
Vocao training is shit if your songs are shit. Shit genre, no soul.
Suisui's talking voice > Suisui's singing voice

>>26186291
>I think vtubers should be allowed to date and even talk about it on stream
vshojo whores do that already, go watch them if that's what you want

>>26194639
What's Suisei's genre?

>>26186291
>>I think vtubers should be allowed to date and even talk about it on stream
Go back Ollie

>>26185381
>Vox was an entertaining chuuba before the incident
>Noctyx (bar Fungus) isn't nearly as bad as this board paints them as
>Calli would likely be a better streamer and did more things if she actually got the Persona 3 perms
>Gura's content is just okay. Not amazing, and not absolutely horrible, but if no one else is streaming, I'll catch her streams.
>Gura's ASMR is easily one of the best in Holo, and it's a travesty she rarely does it anymore.
>Coco carried JP Gen 4, and the group dynamic just hasn't been the same since she left (fuck the chinks)
>Nina isn't nearly as bad as this board says she is. She can be a little dull, but nothing genuinely atrocious.
>Melody lost all her SOVL when she switched to the 2D model. I understand that using the 3D is likely more work for her, but the 2D just doesn't have the same magic for me.
>Risu is the single most underrated singer in Holo

>>26185796
>Kayfabe is retarded
Anon?
>Donating money is dumb, they already making money doing their job, buy mech if you want something because at least you actually got something out of it.
2views indies only got big money from donations no?

>>26195583
>>Calli would likely be a better streamer and did more things if she actually got the Persona 3 perms
Fucking how?

>>26188411
>Suisei had a way better training than Risu.
wut
she's self trained
unless I misunderstood your ESL ass post?

>>26195583
>Calli would been a good vtuber if she wasn't a wigger and just a chill tomboy like we all thought she was.

>>26185381
>>Suisei is not as good a singer as everyone says she is, easily being outclassed by Risu and AZKi

Suisei's not the best singer but she's done the best to make a name for herself as a singer. AZKi suffered from not being fully Holo for a while and Risu is Risu lol.

You can hear it in Suisei's collab songs with Inui Toko, Inui mogs her in terms of ability. But Suisei has the work ethic, ambition, and canniness of an idol.

Suisei is the best singer in Hololive because she just is

>>26188152
she's fantastic and i absolutely adore her voice and i think she's very good at singing, but she's not the best singer in the scene by any means.

>>26185381
Suisei is outclassed by other singers for sure.

https://files.catbox.moe/4764hf.mp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOh3pyMZPPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQar1C5hac0&t=2100

>Gooba and Risu
>practice forever for a short Karaoke every 4 months
>OMG THE BEST

>Suisei and IRyS
>Regular singing streams, sing literally anything
>nail it with a mistake here and there
>FUCKING TRASH

>mori was really good for the first month or so, even if her music was shit

>>26196714
LITERALLY who

>>26196959
That's one of the great things about 4chan anon, learning about new things.

>>26195945
hololive in general doesn't have very good singers. Also the rigging is really bad.

>>26186291
Popular opinion if you’re some trannoid lefty on twitter, you’ll find plenty of your kind in EN indies and vwhorejo, just don’t be surprised when they all literally only care about hornyposting.

Gura's genuine scream is annoying

>comparing holos to who tier professional singers
this is some sad cope

Risu's voice doesnt make my dick hard
Suisei's voice does

>>26185796
>>Holo vs whatever big company is just DC vs Marvel or Console war shit for weebs

I think of it like Coke vs Pepsi. Sure, they taste different and everyone has a preference, but it's kind of a weird thing to get worked up over, even though people always do.

>>26198227
I can't take Risu's singing seriously because she can't pronounce shit properly

>>26185381
holoid is shit and by allah they should have not existed

>>26195718
Listen, I say this as someone who hates Calli.
Persona games take a fucking ENORMOUS amount of time to beat, with P3Fes taking ~80 hours, not including The Answer.
Now, even if she goes at the pace of about ~5 hours per stream, if her Elden Ring streams are anything to go by, it will take her a good 16 streams to beat it. Now I'm just going off of assumptions that she also presumably likes P4 & 5. Those games take similar, if not even more time to beat than P3. And I have a hunch she'll want to actually stream those games because of her campaign to get Atlus to allow her the perms (specifically for P3), thus putting more time into actually streaming and less time away from tummy hort, Trash Taste, and her shitty music.
It's a win-win scenario.

>>26198816
inshallah brother

>>26198736
DC vs Marvel same way but people still get worked up so it closer to that also like companies are comparable in how they handle things, Marvel always on brand, DC all over the place and more open to ideas, that's basically Holo vs whoever.

>>26195797
Basically this
Calli has a fucking god-tier model, and I'm not going to kid myself when I say that her zatsus are really nice to put on in the background, but her music and everything surrounding it is cringy at best and god-awful at worst.

>>26198816
amin brother
lets drink wine to celebrate

>>26185381
>Vtuber is just another kind of avatar and doesn't need to be anything else
>The "culture" surrounding vtubing is incredibly cringe, especially the random Japanese terms used by English-speakers
>Basing early vtubing practices off the idol industry in Japan has done far more harm than good
>Most vtubers who sing aren't very good at it
>Most vtubers don't have much of a personality

>Every Hololive streamer is boring
>Banning the tiddy dragon was a bad move glad she could bounce back, though

>The only real talent in Vshojo is Ironmouse
>The rest of the Vshojo "talents" are degenerate coomers who mistake being horny and loud for a sense of humor

>Shylily doesn't have a creative bone in her body and wouldn't have much of an audience without her avatar's tits, constant horniness, and parasocial behavior.

>>26188411
>if she can get a proper vocal training.
Typical risu cuck cope

>>26199618
why are you even here?

>>26200082
Thought I'd check it out, saw this thread.
This board is among the most autistic on 4chan. Don't worry, /g/, /pol/, and /trash/ are much worse. I won't linger

>>26199618
>The only real talent in Vshojo is Ironmouse
>yeah guys I'm "sick" cough cough so please give me twitchbuxs for my "medical treatments"
She's a degenerate like the rest of them with no talent.

>>26200082
its like, 90% of /vt/ doesn't even watch vtuber

>>26200319
She's certainly a degen, but she's also a classically trained opera singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdfW1wk8S4o

>>26186432
>I am disappointed in unicorns who don't call out the unicorns who do become anti and attack others.
Do you think any of the unicorns openly call themselves unicorns whenever something happens?
I'm an unicorn and i constantly shit all over those who go to far, but there is absolutely no point in me revealing that when i'm doing it since i will only get dismissed or worse, lumped in with them no matter what i say.

>>26200695

ASMR is only good for cooming.

>>26200475
>classically trained

She's doesn't have a singing voice just accept it.

>>26200475
I don't understand how she is supposed to be sick and apparently has to use breathing tube, but can do this

>>26186193
>Only 2
Name them, coward.

>>26185381
To change things up I'll make it music related unpopular opinions
>Both Suisei and Enna are divas and even though they have beautiful singing voices they ruin their singing by adding extra flares/filler, prolonging notes, etc. which is most commonly seen in celebrities singing the american national anthem. It is also why a lot of people with no musical experience consider them the best singers
>Mio has a very impressive range in her singing, only matched by someone like Azki, thus making her one of the most underrated singing chuubas. I'd argue she's one of the best in holo
>On occasion Elira has proven to be the best singer in NijiEN, but because she is a goofball and usually doesn't take it seriously, she is often overshadowed by her peers
>Mori is a good singer when she doesn't sing rap or doesn't try to sound "badass". Being a tryhard singer is a detriment for her

>>26203841
>1
i think neither of them overdo it as much as you seem to imply. besides, at least with suisei, even musically experienced people think her singing is good (it's why we have stellar stellar in the first place). of course this doesn't mean her singing is flawless (it isn't), but still, can't agree with you here.
>2
absolutely. mio is severely underrated, yes.
>3
many such cases. it's likely she simply doesn't care about her singing being seen as one of her defining traits.
>4
eh, i think she's just serviceable. wouldn't call her singing /good/, but definitely not bad by any means. i do agree with the other point though, her inflections are kind of distractingly out of place sometimes.

>>26198895
Calli already streams a shit load, it's something the deadbeats love to bring up as if it proves she likes the job. Instead she just spends it making terrible jokes and autistically playing shit like jump king for 12 hours, if anything getting to stream persona would have just made her worse EARLIER because people would ask her to stream anything else, and she'd have copped an attitude about that instead. Having a game she enjoys wouldn't have fixed anything because the problem is her, not her game choice. I don't really get your logic here, anon.

>>26195797
But she was always a wigger.

>>26185381
>people place too much importance on random skills like singing and drawing rather than the streamer's entertainment value
>CCV is just one of many indicators of success, it's not the be-all, end-all. look at the bigger picture and take everything into account
>you don't anti a vtuber cause they did something wrong. you anti them cause there's something about them that you DO like but you can't communicate the parts you dislike in a healthy and constructive manner. most schizos are former fans and goslings

>>26185796
the voms take is fresh
>corpo vtubers are carried by the brand and would never see any real success as indie 2views.
>all vtubers play on gfe (no matter what their fans say) just in different ways and any hard core vtuber fan is just a simp.
>vtubing as a whole is a niche fad and It will blow over within a few years.
>we will hear stories about how vtubers who made big bucks during this boom made millions and then lost it all due to poor money management or fraud.

It's kind of embarassing how much subpar content I'm willing to watch just because there's an anime girl in the corner
I wouldn't watch most of this shit if they were flesh or it were just their voice

>>26199618
>Every Hololive streamer is boring
every vtuber is boring as shit
>play video game
>sing
>release vocaloid "covers"
do anything else jesus christ. hardly any of these people are nearly charismatic enough to be entertaining when they're playing video games, and most of them are horrible singers. all they do is rehash ideas that have been done better by regular old facecam streamers and youtubers. their "covers" are carbon copies of the original songs and just barely qualify as covers. it's almost like they want to make as much money and get as much attention as they can while putting in the least creativity and effort as possible. people eat this shit up because of the anime facade

>>26207227
That's why you should only watch your Oshi/favorite.

>>26207355
Amen brother

>Famous male vtubers are going to kill this hobby, not with male/female collabs, their female fans are the issue
>People always sat that HoloEN is terrible, and it's true, but NijiEN is fucking horrible too, the difference is that HoloEN barely streams and NijiEN just pumps an insane amount of low quality streams
>Genki chubas are great but that doesn't mean that all the genki ones are good and all the calm ones are bad
>Taking breaks doesn't help the chuba, in fact is highly detrimental, management should limit the breaks to a minumum
>Heavy managed, highly artificial chubas are the best, women don't know how to do shit if they don't have a corporation behinds
>NijisanjiJP invented modern vtubing and they have the best chubas in the company, they just don't stream as much as they used, whith heavy management, they will overtake Hololive easily
>Salome isn't even in the top 5 Nijisanji streamers and I cringe hard when I see her being that succesfull

I'm fine with Ayame streaming however much she wants to, she entered Hololive when it was much smaller and streamed a lot for many months. It's not like you have to give her money while she's away

i like the hololive subreddit and fan discord

>>26209030
the fact that enna decided to take a 3 week break right when she was gaining momentum with creative and fun streams makes me pull my hair out

>>26207388
my oshi is korone and she's on break and old