/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp/
>https://vtuber-ch.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://www.hololyzer.net/2j3j/
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>25953411
I'm not a feet guy
BUT

>mumei spikes to 9k then loses 2k
holobots???

So early for the # ?

>>25953334
Only cucks preface everything they say with "This is just my opinion". I have the opinion I do because it's right, it's your job to prove it wrong girlyboy

>>25953334
Opinions are reflective of your perception of reality, and all people think their perception is factual because thinking otherwise would be the same as questioning your own sanity.

>youtube see twitch icon
>Susan is not happy

Name a bigger wasted potential

>>25953482
People seeing if she had anything interesting to say, probably went back to Kronii or went to sleep.

>I have a Twitc-
>stream dies
I swear the AI is picking this shit up

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>78,179: Salome (Nijisanji)
>73,014: Hololive (Hololive)
>67,077: Ryushen (Nijisanji)
>61,486: Ryushen (Nijisanji)
>48,242: Momo (Nijisanji)
>45,341: Lui (Hololive)
>24,106: Subaru (Hololive)
>23,575: Gura (Hololive)
>19,388: Alban (Nijisanji)
>18,752: Shu (Nijisanji)
>18,409: Shion (Hololive)
>17,563: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>13,943: Watame (Hololive)
>13,811: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>13,797: Laplus (Hololive)
>13,670: Kobo (Hololive)
>13,450: Sana (Hololive)
>13,427: Ange (Nijisanji)
>13,384: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>13,311: Vox (Nijisanji)
>12,583: Gatchman (Indie)
>12,418: Koyori (Hololive)
>12,261: Lisa (VSPO)
>12,169: Lui (Hololive)
>10,850: Reid (Neo Porte)
>10,087: Kanae (Nijisanji)

>>25953482
Connection dropped.

>>25953648
>JUNE 2022 GOLD
1) Salome (Nijisanji) - 97,905 - Resident Evil 7
2) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696 - 4th anniversary totsumachi
3) Salome (Nijisanji) - 96,226 - GTA V
4) Salome (Nijisanji) - 94,165 - Resident Evil 7
5) Salome (Nijisanji) - 102,804 - Resident Evil 7
6) Watame (Hololive) - 77,793 - 3D birthday live
7) Mio (Hololive) - 46,701 - 1 million subs karaoke
8) Salome (Nijisanji) - 114,132 - 1 million subs celebration yakiniku
9) Iroha (Hololive) - 124,349 - 3D debut
10) Salome (Nijisanji) - 71,690 - English study
11) Salome (Nijisanji) - 78,179 - Resident Evil 7

>PER COMPANY
7x: Nijisanji
4x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
7x: Salome
1x: Haachama, Iroha, Mio, Watame

2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
107x: Hololive
46x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
12x: Miko
11x: Kuzuha, Salome
7x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Mio, Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Okayu
2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>25953482
susan killed it

About HoloALT, I have no qualms of it being popular due to the box but I want to iterate that the only reason why Genshin was super popular in its first few months was that it was shilled/advertised heavily and still does so now. Not sure if most of their budget is put into their marketing campaign, but I believe so.

Why does that elf tranny in Niji have like 35k?

>mumei gets lag
>views drops natuarrlly and start recovering after a while

>nijien gets lag
>gets a new ccv peak

>>25953624
>You
Kek i had to

>>25953634
>Spend millions on Ludwig
>Kneecap vtubers who regularly get 3x his audience every single day and over 20x his audience combined over all streams

>>25953761
Hololive has free marketing, they just play it onstream. Obvious you can go beyond that, but it significantly alleviates marketing costs to have such a built in advantage. If they want to be really cheeky they can give other vtubers permission to play it as well.

>>25953746
Specifically, Mumei just announced her twitch channel, and then Susan immediately bonks her

>>25953045
>>bans them from playing Rust when its the hottest thing in the JP streamer scene
Moomers just revealed they recently got Rust perms

>>25953790
if you haven't noticed nijijp has been doing a 24h relay, that's why they had all those entries yesterday and today

>>25953717
>Salomi getting gold again
OH NO WHAT DO WE DO HOLOBROS she no longer botting and still owning the shit outta the idols !!!

>>25953848
Google has gone for shiny new things over established things in its own ecosystem for a long time now

>>25953848
Yeah YouTube Gaming is retarded, they should have just went all in on Vtubers instead of spending money signing mid tier Twitch streamers.

>>25953913
The question is can they join that big streamer discord server and vc?

Filian got into the top 200.

Nijibros, how does it feel that your IPO will get less money than Susan will shill out to get Sykkuno streaming on Youtube?

>>25953936
What are they doing a relay of, singing? Would be kind of cool if Holos did this, instead of just doing it by branch, have it stretch across everyone so you can fill in the time. Is Niji EN part of the Niji one?

>>25953992
I thought that wasn't a vtuber.

>>25954036
it's just variety shows as far as i've seen

>>25953992
>323k subs
>150m views
istfg are japs really that allergic to subscribe button?

>>25953982
Hololive and Nijisanji aren't going anywhere. Youtube wants a piece of the Twitch pie. Maybe if Holo and Niji threatened to move then YouTube might do something, but they literally never will. Hololive and Nijisanji have too much non gaming and music content.

>>25953482
she mentioned streaming on twitch and susan immediately killed the stream
didn't Z like normal just a slight spike that's hidden by how quick the stream came back

>>25954022
That Susan is retarded (and I say that as a holofan)

>>25953761
Hololive as the algorithm by the fucking balls, it can go trending whenever the fuck it wants. Their Genshin clone will have a marketing budget a fraction of Genshin's and probably still manage to become a serious rival if its just not total dogshit

Mumei back to 9k, nice.

>>25953985
Definitely not, they don't want to risk someone saying else nigger and causing an epic yab for their company.

>>25954130
Ponpoko is a special case, she and Peanuts are host type vtubers who only get massive views when they host giant events and collabs.

>>25954176
>if its just not total dogshit
That's the big question tho
Making a decent genshin (or rather craftopia) clone is no easy task

Conflict?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAws_I0JGI0

>>25953913
Rust perms are pointless without being able to interact with more popular streamers, nijisanji will incline heavily in Japan because of server perms while holos are going to be left behind yet again

>>25954036
Last time they did a relay Susan decided to cripple their views to 25%

>>25954036
best way to explain it is, imagine if holo did the mikkorone 24h stream but did every hour on a different channel
i have no idea about nijien

>>25954279
NIGGA IS 8PM AND 9PM

>>25954110
What, like prerecorded content or is it live skits? Honestly this seems like something hololive could easily replicate

The paper bag emote is cute, but the facial expression is too small for the chat

>>25954368
number bunny comes back straight into a funnel

Kronii 15k

Kronners 15k get

>>25954036
this relay is made by the ex seeds guys (niji's former variety streamer branch) not really the whole of jp

>>25954415
You think that's a coincidence?

>>25954473
>>25954472
people really wanted Minecraft Kronii

>>25954036
Variety streams. Singing, cooking, quizes, etc. Most stuff on 3D. It's a mix of streams and premieres too which helps

>Is Niji EN part of the Niji one?
No. The relay is for SEEDs 4th anniversary. SEEDs is a separate group on Niji (the ones on pic related)

>>25954103
/lig/ VTuber.

Elira's karaoke seems to have done decent (for a female) but the peak is like a 2k Z.

Kronii is back, huh. Taking her rightful place as a 15k steamer.

>>25954539
yashiro looks so funny in the middle of that

>>25954561
If you remove the raid 10k is probably what she would get naturarlly.

Mumei took away her gifted tier?

>>25954609
heh
steamer

>>25954539
>Stacking 4th anniversary, endurance/relay, variety stream, Collab, and 3D buffs all at the same time

And it STILL loses to Salome's RE 7

>>25954609
>Being the most promising member of Council
>Start streaming regularly
>Start streaming decent games
>Get good numbers
color me surprised

>>25954679
even after getting shilled by her on twitter

>>25954698
Kronii really didn't want to be the biggest member of council. She was probably banking hard on Mumei taking it from her

>>25954609
Just a reminder to everyone that Kronii has hit 10k 6 streams in a row and 3 of those were fucking cuphead and megaman. People seriously love Kronii

>mumei is going to change her timeslot

>>25954638
Yes, I got a gifted sub the other day and I can watch member videos

>>25954738
Her tourists are worse than useless for the industry.

>>25954839
JP MOGGED

>>25954839
Elira 10k

>>25954297
>Leeching

>>25954770
Earlier than usual?

>>25954922
yes, she wants to have a bedtime and reliable routine for her Animal.

>>25954770
Morning streams please

>>25954036
It's not the whole JP. It's exSEEDS 1, the first wave of SEEDS when the branch existed before being merged into JP. They are doing a 24 hours stream in commemoration of 4 years of their group.

>>25954279
Just look at the time anon. Its not that hard.

>>25954922
She wasn't specific (or I missed it), but she wants to stream earlier. I just hope she doesn't try to take Gura's timeslot, those who tried that didn't do well.

>>25954759
>didn't want to be the biggest....
Not that again. EN really needs some leaders who can accept the 'burden' of being the fan-favorite

>>25954279
its not even on the same timeslot
why are you so stupid?

>>25954130
ponpoko still doing the short video meta. they get 100-300k vod views on those most of the time. they stream like twice a month at most. and occasionally they do the big collabs that gets them high ccv.

>>25954759
unfortunate part for that is I just think Mumei is somehow more bland than Kronii with a worse voice to boot.

>>25954839
pippa incline

>>25955071
>I just hope she doesn't try to take Gura's timeslot, those who tried that didn't do well.
On the other hand, nobody tries to fill Gura's timeslot when she is missing because of that

>Mumei losing to Fauna
oh how the tides have turned in Council

>>25955237
pretty sure everytime ive seen her reco'd to me in past few months shes always 400~ range. is that really an incline

>>25955278
>Kronii, Gura, Mumei stop doing Karaokes...
Its like they dont want numbers

>>25954768
Kronii has a fantastic model and is easily the most natural entertainer out of all of HoloEN. She would be able to make it as a meat tuber quite easily with her comedic timing and sense of humor as long as she isn't hideous.

>>25955293
50 person increase is big if they can keep it.

>>25955268
Well, Fauna did that today and got 12k, pretty good. The problem is when Gura is actually streaming.

https://twitter.com/kawaiiOfficial5/status/1535637982941696002/photo/1

>>25953942
>she no longer botting
Kek. Ever watched her en pandering stream?

>>25955462
didnt they just publicly execute one of their girls

>>25955462
I'm worried. EN3 is just around the corner, this shit will get crushed

>>25955496
She was leaving anyway.

>>25955423
Fauna is inclining on borrowed time. When Ina comes back she's going to go back to getting overlapped again. It's a tough spot between Ina at 5 and Gura at 8 plus Ame randomly sometimes in that window too.

>>25955524
thats an audition anon, not a debut

>>25955524
This is the audition, they're at least several months out. Also, despite how dumb /#/ can be, predictions of approximately when the next gen drops haven't been too far off the mark. Lots of people guessed Nov for Gen6 and around Holofes for ID3. I'm going to second the thought that EN3 is gonna drop late June/Early July.

Will EN ever have anyone with as much drive to succeed and get big numbers as Koyori?

* TWITCH TALLY OF THE DAY *

- 11-Jun
> 20,477 : Ine (KR Isegye Idol)
> 17,396 : VIichan (KR Isegye Idol)
> 12,567 : Shoto (EN Indie)
> 9,666 : Jingburger (KR Isegye Idol)
> 9,058 : Lilpa (KR Isegye Idol)
> 8,192 : Ratna Petit (JP Nijisanji)
> 8,137 : zrush (CN Indie)
> 7,397 : RPR (EN SCARZ)
> 6,760 : Shylily (EN Indie)
> 6,172 : maoruya (KR Indie)
> 5,621 : Nachoneko (JP Indie)
> 5,019 : Kaga Sumire (JP VSPO)
> 4,041 : Zentreya (EN VShojo)
> 4,041 : KSP (CN Indie)

Comments here
>>25934194

>>25955524
The same 100 people that watch the others will watch these, Holo wouldn't effect it. Also if they're just now doing auditions that lag time will put them months after Hololive En3/Niji wave En 18 or whatever

What is going on with Ame? I managed to catch a couple of Elden ring streams at work recently and the views seemed really low. Is that game just not popular enough anymore?

wtf is this?!!! i bet they're gonna tell the sponsor that they legitimately got 7k on her stream.

>>25955695

>JUNE 2022 TWITCH GOLD
1) VIichan (Isegye Idol) - 15,498 - Vocaloid WC React, Naver catchup
2) Gosegu (Isegye Idol) - 14,571 - VR Chat - tween model showcase
3) Ine (Isegye Idol) - 14,343 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup
4) Lilpa (Isegye Idol) - 16,556 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup
5) Kris Yim (Board of Trustees) - 19,915 - Black Mesa (Twitch main page)
6) Jingburger (Isegye Idol) - 15,804 - Voting in anime OST championship
7) Shoto (Indie) - 12,513 - Playing Unpacking
8) Ine (Isegye Idol) - 22,248 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup + The Spike
9) Gosegu (Isegye Idol) - 14,832 - Poolside VR Chat
10) Nimu (Indie) - 21,050 - Among Us, Zatsu (7,501 before Raid)
11) Ine (Isegye Idol) - 20,477 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup

>PER COMPANY
8x: Isegye Idol
2x: Indie
1x: Board of Trustees

>PER STREAMER
3x: Ine
2x: Gosegu
1x: Jingburger, Kris Yim, Lilpa, Nimu, VIichan

>>25955680
No, ambition and "tryharding" seems frowned upon on the western streaming scene.

>>25955707
She's boring and sperges out at her chat trying to get her to do anything interesting because it's "backseating" when your viewers tell you to stop doing majorly boring shit for hours at a time

>>25955707
Streams too erratically and all different time slots to build a consistent audience.

>>25955707
shes on part 900 of a game most holos have played out and she never plays it at a single timeslot so anyone who wants to keep up with her run needs to both catch it at primetime or ass end of the night for NA because fuck consistency.

>>25955707
Elden ring has run its course yea. Everyone's not only finished the game, but everyone and their mother has watched someone finish the game at this point.

can albitch birthday beat chicken birthday?

>>25955680
Stream monsters shouldn't hard to find, right? Scout for 2views with the most consistent streams and the most amount of hours?

Amelia is a lost cause. As long as she's bringing in enough membership money to buy her weed she's happy getting blitzed and streaming garbage

can albitch birthday beat chicken outfit?

>>25955901
Easily

>>25955720
What happened on this?

>>25955680
>KOYORIKOYORIKOYORIKOYORI
OMG MY FAVOURITE PINK ONAHOLE AHHHHHHHH I LUB HER SO MUCH

qrd why'd Kiara make a german channel? just for german content? will it get views

>>25955680
I'll be real with you, you fags here would hate having a Koyori if y'all get this mad about minor overlaps

>>25955680
yes

>>25954022
Wasn't that Twitch's fuckup since they misspelled his name as Sukkuno in an official e-mail?

If someone in EN3 tries to bring back Reddit Meme review, will it help them or ruin them?

>>25955901
probably Nijimale audience for anything that isnt a standard stream is like 500% increase in audience turn out plus multipliers for whoever shows up and since its a birthday thats probably going to be almost everyone if not all of nijiEN

>>25955918
Two pretty big (for nijiEN) streams raided at almost the same time
So now it is the biggest NijiEN shill stream lol

>>25955969
stealth anitisemitism of course

>>25955862
>stream like crazy because it's the only way to make a living at it
>almost burn yourself out but keep going because you're starting to incline
>apply for Hololive, get noticed because of your hard work and upward trend
>accepted
>start streaming as a Holo, instantly make a fuck ton of money
>do all the stuff you wanted to like move, go on vacation, medical procedures ect but couldn't because you were poor
>offered a bunch of non-streaming opportunities like con attendance and music production
>streaming declines dramatically

The circle of life.

>Chicken releases a Renai Circulation cover
>Gets mogged the next day by Gura and Shion
Chicken can't catch a break

https://youtu.be/FxI_i6Myhm8

>>25955745
Find and easterner with good English

>>25956037
that's why you go for the ones that stream a lot because they're slightly menhera and starved of attention, aka failure hags

>>25956015
Help, if they actually stick to it. Meme reviews are consistently popular but everyone is too lazy to do it weekly or even monthly. Ame and Haachama were literally the worst two people to pass the torch to, in terms of honoring commitments, and Kiara already has her own show.

>>25956085
Hags seem to be the ones putting in those long hours

>>25955680
An HoloEN explicit numberfag would be the most hated vtuber out there
Kiara is still hated for a few times
Mysta is hated even tho now one gives a shit about NijiEN

>>25956037
I think the real solution here is to live stream the house hunting, vacations and surgeries.

>>25956037
shut up shut up shut up!
Let a man dream damnit.

>>25955901
who the fuck is albitch? ike is the one with birthday today

>>25956037
That's why you go for Idolfags who have a childish dream of being loved and worshiped by thousands of people, Idolfags will learn harder into the Hololive image than anyone else because they they have autism

>>25956069
Doesn't exist. If they do it's because they're American and just live in Japan (i.e. IRyS type people).

>>25956137
>I think the real solution here is to live stream the house hunting, vacations
Luxiem is already ahead of you..

>>25956136
Kiara is hated because she has a nasty personality, not because she's a numberfagger.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3n5uGu18FoCy23ggWWp8tA/videos
>Mumei's animation ended up getting a lot more views than her streams
Some VTubers are just better suited for short uploads than streaming. I mean that's how she got big in the first place, but they decided to just hire her as a streamer for some reason.

the only problem with hags with autism is that they're not that popular, they tend to filter people more than not

>>25956228
That's how Gura got famous but she's a perfectly fine streamer most of the time.

>>25955868
>Numberfag calling other people "lost cause"

>>25956238
Where are there non-hag stream monsters?

>>25956037
>offered a bunch of non-streaming opportunities like con attendance and music production
They can just say no, you know ...

The actual perfect sweet spot for passing Hololive auditions is being an aspiring Idol that failed to get into the game before slightly aging out of the range where you could hope to get accepted, as well as having streaming experience with vocaloid covers and minecraft gameplay.

Try to refute me.

>>25956485
Ame is autistic and has no idea how to say no

>>25956462
i dunno, most brats tend to just be awful with stamina and scheduling, hilariously gura is actually the closest you're getting, and you see how much people complain about her breaks

>>25956514
>The actual perfect sweet spot for passing Hololive auditions
is someone that has overprepared

>>25956015
reddit meme review only worked because of Coco and JP dynamic with dogshit memes back then since half the fun was Coco trying to explain really really fucking bad "memes" to JPs, a new one would probably have to be formatted differently.

>>25956514
so Gura and her "I wanna be Miku" autism then

>>25956238
Korone and Fubuki are two of the most subbed JPs? Marine is ascending to hag status this year too

>>25956514
not a lot of people who fit that

>>25955680
EN3
5 Koyos
Believe

>>25956646
Not to mention Botan is the most popular Gen 5 and also the haggiest by far

fucking twice

>>25956725
Also, Coco and Rushia

>>25956893
So is the Z caused by a sudden drop in viewers? Or is it the thing that causes a sudden drop in viewers?

A bunch of smaller channels that accelerated in growth recently have begun to slow down again.
The reasons are pretty much:
Nijisanji ex-KR Seffyna - Hasn't uploaded a Mechaffyna short in a while
Nijisanji ex-KR Nari Yang - Already finished her big drawing with all the Nijisanji members
Neo-Porte's Minase - Hasn't done another collab with ENs since the first one with Shu and Shoto

>>25956992
the Z as far as we can tell it's caused by lag, and it's the latter, the Z causes viewers to bleed out for a couple of mins until it fixes itself

>>25956992
It's a thing on YouTube's end that results in the word Z spike.
If you get lagged because YT servers are having a fit(sometimes unnoticed) it causes whatever algo they use to calculate CCV to FLIP THE FUCK OUT and give you the Z.

is there a magical girl holo?

>>25957079
Nari was never going to keep her views, they were straight up tourists wanting to see the nijis being drawn.

> until it fixes itself
Niji literally never recovers their views though which is strange

>>25956992
She popped off when she sang chandelier and massive amount of views came in and quickly left

The hype for Hololive this weekend is quite massive, do you think it will translate to another week of incline in viewership for the girls?

>>25957115
>>25956992
It's an N

>>25957166
shion

>>25956485
Moris rm can pull in over 40k for a con appearance before merch sales and attendance fees.

>>25957193
whoops second half was meant to quote >>25957115

>>25956711
You'll get 5 Sanas and enjoy it.

>>25957239
Yeah, but she WANTS to do that
What I mean is that Holo girls can just opt for streaming and not doing anything else (See: Early Peko)

>>25957166
Not in the sense of >Ordinary Schoolgirl/person who transforms no. Shion is a straight up dark magician so it's not quite standard magical girl fare.

>>25956049
>an unannounced upload of a recording from a live performance vs a fully produced cover

>>25957204
They aren't done yet. This just wait for Chloe in 3D, then the rest of HoloX over the rest of the month. There will be more announcements. Things are accelerating towards a big event and then another massive announcement, you can tell

>>25957204
Speaking of hype, Hololive new PV is actually spreading to many non-vtuber web communities, I’m actually surprised

>>25957212
Z and N are essentially the same shape at different angles anyway.

>>25957336
For example?

>>25957295
Perhaps. But doing events is good for the box. If you acted like early peko, you would end up with a fanbase like Nousagis

Why did Ghost City Tokyo blow up the way it did?

>>25957336
It's basically anime, and it has people who can actually sing this time.
Like, show it to some random anime fan and they'd probably ask "Cool, when is it coming out and is it 1 cour or two?"

>>25957373
You can go on Twitter to see, I saw a few tweets saying that they don’t watch vtubers but the PV looks good. Most are from EOPs though since I can’t read Japs.

>>25957166
rushia

I keep seeing people babbling about EN3. Are they really just around the corner? Or is it just horseshit rumors?

>>25957166
i think nene is the closest you're gonna get

>>25957445
released at the same time as Yoasobi's new song

>>25957497
Same shit was happening with ID3

>>25957463
For example?

>>25957497
it's just people overdosing on copium

>>25957445
>Released on the same Day as YOASOBI released a new song and got tweeted out by Ayase showing both songs
>Ghost City Tokyo is pretty popular
>Suisei's cover is pretty good

>>25957497
ame going on break usually means new gen debut
it might be stars en instead of en3

>>25957497
Cover doesn't so official gen recruitment announcements anymore so who knows. They have a 24/7 application open so they will just pick 5 talents at any given moment and debut them.

>>25957497
If you actually had a visual timeline of hololive new generations releases and other events, you'll see they use a certain cycle for these kinds of announcements, and EN3 would logically be the next big one. ID3 came even though that branch were borderline 3views, there's no way EN won't get a third generation

>>25956049
It will mog fever night isn't it...

>>25956021
Smart. Sponsors care about numbers the most but most of them don't have time to look deep into numbers for shilling streams, so this is a good way to give them incentives to sponsor more streams

>>25957497
Timing attacks anon, TIMING ATTACKS!
To be clear, its more like the signs are there like they were for ID3 and Gen6, and the timeframe fits. If EN3 isn't coming out within the next month, the next realistic timeframe to debut them won't be until much, much, MUCH later in the month with how cluttered August and September get.

Has any Holo post Sankisei discussed their reactions to getting into Hololive?

>>25957497
EN3 is likely in next 3 to 4 weeks ill say otherwise only other logical spot it could go is last week of July. If its not that then it could be as far out as the last week of September at the earliest if not those dates.

if HoloEN3 and waveEN6 happen at the same time
how will be you reaction?

EN3 is coming guys... I can feel it...
it's g-gonna save holoEN!!

>>25957672
Amelia talked about her interview once, she said she was talking about how she didnt know how to sing or speak japanese or something and interviewer basically told her she has alot of time to learn how to do that stuff later which basically confirmed her getting in. I dont remember much about how she reacted though since it was so god damn long ago.

>>25957665
>>25957724
You know I think you guys are right. I just never thought about it till now but everything would make sense for July.

>>25957497
Is mostly because council does literally nothing so the wait feels longer and people go ''Well...it's about time don't you think? EN3 when?'', when myth was having multiple unity collabs and EN projects the fandom wasn't this impatient

>>25957797
how will you be reaction (?)

>>25957497
Probably because Anime Expo is right around the corner and right after HoloX finishes their 3D debuts.

>>25957898
that would be godlike timing

>>25957797
I will member all of them as soon as possible no matter the flaws. I just want something new.

>>25957797
>>25957880
my reaction be will ok

>>25957873
>Is mostly because council does literally nothing
Council has streamed more than anyone not named Ame in the past 3 weeks.

>>25957854
I know Ina is still dead tako but its time to move on

Twitter profile jumped from 6.5k followers when I last saw her, to 40.5k overnight
https://mobile.twitter.com/you_kururu

>>25957797
Depends if Wave6EN is mixed (most likely and what the split is.
Like, if it's a 4/1 Male/Female then it comes down to if it's another Lain situation or if the lone female can hold her own.
Also depends if they're another batch of English Speaking (North America(CN)) or not.

>>25957934
No, it would be strategic timing that should be expected from whoever does the planning over at cover. There are people who's entire jobs are to think of shit like this years ahead

>>25957579
lol, people actually think Ame has anything to do with new gens? What is she going to pay people in her discord to recruit for Cover or something?

>>25957797
Depends if Wave 6 are all girls or all males

>>25958050
no it's just the pattern so far. she always goes on leave when there's debuts

>>25958050
just a shitty meme since she goes on breaks and stuff sometimes happens when she does. Council debut'd during her break. I think HoloX did aswell and Rushia got executed during another one.

>>25957987
>streams
10 kusoges per week doesn't leave a mark in their ''hololive journey'', it's been almost 1 year and council is just original songs and anniversaries

>>25954279
More like masterful planning to take the funnel from a huge 3d

>>25958142
That's because there's no EN office and they can't go to Japan. If an EN office is set up then suddenly that shit becomes a lot more viable

>>25958142
The fact that you think that EN3 will suddenly change that is absolutely adorable, honestly. The only reason why Myth did any of those stupid ass VR streams was because their desperation for 3D. Every single thing they've done was desperation for 3D, and the only reason they could get anywhere was because of Ame who has been doing this shit for longer than any of them combined. The best you'll get is a carbon copy of something myth already did as a base, and then you'll whine that it's not unique enough. Because apparently the April fools council wasn't unique enough for you either.

You fucking retard.

>>25958142
what can council do, they dont have someone to push VR shit like Ame. No music holo like Mori. Ina has art but like thats her defining trait which Sana could have leaned into but didnt. Council is literally just a bunch of Guras but not as viral.

>>25958240
it's not about 3d. Myth had new stream ideas, Council doesn't, that's all people are complaining about.

>>25958332
>Ministry and the April Fools wasn't a new idea (for EN)
Nah fuck off idiot.

>EN Office
Is this a new form of cope? I've seen this brought up before, how would that help at all?

Is there any viable career plan for Melissa beside trying to do the same thing Suisei did?

>>25958349
2 ideas after a year lol

>>25958310
i mean, fauna funnily enough is the one that gets to have her own thing, specializing in asmr and all

>>25958405
And Myth only fucking had VR after a year.

>>25958401
Join Hololive

>>25958448
How would that solve the issue that made her leave Nijisanji?

>>25958448
Key, why would Melissa settle for a 2nd rate company?

>>25958425
Actually I'll take this back, I forgot about their first April Fools with the shitty Walfie models. So 2 for 2. Except Myth has done nothing new except abuse VR the entire time since.

>>25958543
Anon, the reason why Melissa left Nijisanji is because of her selfish needs instead of understanding the nature of the work. No one in the industry will care for her.

>>25958361
First of all, main channel content, which expands and reinforces the holobox. 3D Shorts gives another form of content for all the talents. It also lets them do concerts and other events easier.

Really, a surge of EN concerts/game shows/popular shorts would basically make the whole branch experience another wave of growth, especially on the back of a new generation bringing in fresh interest

>>25958425
Mori had the fan contest right after debut.

>>25958565
Because your "first rate" conpany didnt give a shit about her smartass

holy fucking shit, Elira has been holding 10k for a 3 hour karaoke that's still going

>>25958603
She left because Nijisanji were a black company which has no respect for their talents. Cover will make deals and compromises unlike Anykara, she might actually be able to negotiate something.

>>25954279
Chloe is going to use the new raid function to send her 3D live viewers straight over to Pekora. Easy 100k+ peak for two streams.

>>25958791
This isn't me coping, because if it's real I'm happy for her, but I don't even know if it's legitimate or if Youtube knows what it's doing with her stream anymore

>>25958807
lol imagine holojp raiding anyone

>>25958807
God, that would be fucking hilarious. Can you imagine the seething

>>25958836
it seems pretty legitimate, it's just that she got raided twice and her karaokes are HoloEN level

>>25958889
>she got raided twice
She got raided once.

>>25958565
Being in Cover
>you get the rights and big cuts from your songs
>you'll get the budget from Cover and support from industry connections
> your co workers would help you promote your songs
>being in Hololive also means getting collabs with Suisei and Mori
>After you graduate, you'll get a sizeable number of fans who would remember and support your
I dunno, being in Hololive seems better, they get to keep all the money for OGs without being signed to a label

>>25958617
Do ENfags really give a fuck about concerts

>>25958914
oh, I mistook a Z for a raid

>>25958918
NTA, doesn't it depend on how much you pay for your own productions? If you pay 80% of the cost you get 80% of the profit? iirc that's how it's been talked about by the talents themselves, they pay for these things out of their own pockets

>>25958889
Quality of singing doesnt matter at all for how many viewers your karaokes will get

>>25958310
Overall EN needs more holos to create interesting cliques within to keep people watching. Council may have a lack of talent but I don't think Cover would make the same mistake twice. Look at Holox to what Gen5 was. They went hard in the paint to make sure they didn't get another flop. Everything is on time and punctual for HoloX to succeed.

>>25958543
The Holos have some clauses where they can own their crafts. Hasn't Polka tried to sell her weekly program right to Cover?

nice website hiro

>>25959029
I know for some like Noel and Ame, people tune in for SOVL but explain Miko and Pekora?

>>25959029
Yeah it does, there's a reason Ame/Fauna/Kiara don't get great karaoke numbers, or Moona get 10k and Ollie gets 1.5k. It's not the only factor, but it's a factor.

Does salome stand a chance tonight desuwabros?

>>25958930
Yes
t.enfag that watches the JP Lives, bought tickets for Aqua and Suisei's Lives and Holofes

>>25958565
True, that's why she left Nijisanji.

>>25959115
What's she doing? I don't think she can beat a 3D.

>>25959115
>Sunday debuff please understando
But if she wins gold it is not because she is superior but because your oshi sucks desuwa

>>25959081
no, just hologram circus
polden is just her having fun

>>25959017
Whatever how it works but it seems that songs are in favor of the talent themselves. If that's not the case they won't make a lot of songs.

>>25959143
You already watch vtubers you're not really the demographic they need for expansion. That guy was talking about concerts bringing in new people or lapsed fans and that's kind of debatable.

>>25959106
They're Miko and Pekora doing buff content.

>>25959057
>Kronii literally sitting on 15k viewers
>Fauna actually hitting 11k

'Council is a flop' Says Increasingly Nervous Man For The Tenth Time This Year.

>>25958930
I only watch EN for streaming content but tune into any Holo concert events and even bought holofes tickets this year.

>>25959215
They make songs as a vanity project, most of them lose money on it.

>>25959219
why does buff content get low views

>>25958918
>>25959017
>>25959215
This makes me wonder. Does Suisei straight up pay for all the shit she does in order to actually own the rights to it?

>>25959216
That's...fair, It appears I missed the point of the question.

>>25959225
Let's see Sana and Bae's numbers.

>>25959219

>>25959017
Cover gives a budget, the talent pays for the songs themselves but they're at least managed by a team who does their songs. Since the talent is paying for the most parts, they get to earn their keep and Cover earns a small cut from the revenue.

>>25959273
Suisei sold the rights to her character to Cover a while back

>>25959216
I'm sure it would at least help bring in tourists and lapsed fans. It would at least bring the whole EN Holobox together into one place, which is something sorely EN needs

>>25959273
I can't believe i have to say this for the xth time, but Suisei basically asks her manager to get X, Y, and Z for her songs and doesn't worry about the costs or budget for them nowadays.
Yes, she owns the rights to them.

>>25959300
Mori, Kiara, Ame?

>>25959225
>reading comprehension

I said Council lacked talent. Gen5 was a flop in terms of it being dead on arrival consisting of only 4 members.

>>25959219
explain

>>25959273
>all
Based on her behind the scene story about her album, nope.
>>25959322
Source on this?

>>25959322
That's just straight up a lie. You said this in a past thread and were called out on it then, you failed to prove it and you're stil saying it

>>25959106
Miko isn't a bad singer at all and her karaokes usually get 15-16k which is pretty good.

>>25959271
>>25959309
Not him, but how are these "low" when they are around their median?

>>25959184
>Sunday
>debuff

>>25959394
>Miko isn't a bad singer at all
lol

>>25959365
Ah shot, she talked about her album Costa and I missed it? Damn.

>Comparing archived karaoke to unarchived karaokes
o
fucking
gey

>>25959416
It'll be a debuff if she loses. They'll say whatever is convenient to their narrative

>>25959322
Wrong vtuber. That was Kuzuha selling his character to AnyColor.

>>25959398
>>25959394
around their median, when it's supposedly buff content?

So how can Anykara beat the hype of HoloALT, HoloEarth and Holo3D?

>>25959446
unarchiveds are extremely rare on holojp, it's why people always accuse them of always having the same setlists

>>25959348
Better than those two, except maybe some Kiara RPG streams vs Bae with no overlap (rare).

>>25959184
next you'll excuse is that everyday is a debuff

>>25959446
post some holojp unarchived you dumb fuck

>>25959464
Luxiem 3D

>>25959464
A yab

>>25959464
Salome 3d

>>25959464
Release 5 more waves. They just need to accelerate harder, do a big event to drive their stock price up, and then dump it after 6 months like they have always planned to do.

The company doesn't have a future after 6 months because by then Riku will be a rich man worth 300 million dollars

>>25959460
Yea, median is not a baseline. If you are getting above your baseline, then it's a buff. Some buffs are greater than others.

>>25959508
>>25959493
That's the fucking point. If it was unarchived it'd bring more numbers, but JPs don't fucking do them and it's the same fucking setlists so it's not really a buff content.

>>25959493
That's because they always have the same setlists. There must only exist about 60 songs in the Japanese language total.

>>25959551
They have to pay if they want to expand their song pool.

>>25959464
$11 X 10

how the fuck is kronii staying at 15k holy moly

>>25959604
That's the power of minecraft

>>25959460
This is not the median no? Its the average ccv no?

>>25959519
>EN branch
>getting 3D

Not until after they are sucked dry and begging for content upgrades 2 years from now.

>>25959551
that's why i love korosan, she always has weird shit, it's a shame she can't sing but you're there cause she's fun

>>25959632
Rosemi member stream said that the venue for NijiEN3D has bee decided.

>>25959677
Bullshit.

>>25959677
>rosemi member stream
must be true then

>>25959438
Not directly but she said she asked for a budget increase to add brass instruments to one of her song.

>>25959627
>>25959537
yeah I think it's average ccv, but how is karaoke buff content for Miko and Pekora? I've never seen them get high numbers on it

>>25959677
To add to this, she will be doing a public blowjobs for the NijiJP male vtubers.

Mel is about to get her first million view cover song

https://youtu.be/tftbi551s8Q

so, nothing would stop Salome's gold today?

>>25959732
Okay, now I actually believe it. That sounds like something Rosemi would do

>>25959747

>>25959464
NijiFes 2022
Salome 3D
Voltaction
>>25959519
Luxiem 3D before Lazulight 3D will trigger a drama

>>25959768
man, you're really desperate for (you)s today, here, have a pity one, it's on the house

>>25953936
I thought they killed the SEEDs branding after the merge.

How much would setting up a studio for 3D in the US cost actually? And do you think Gura has enough money by this point to front most of the cost by herself?

>>25959797
>nijiEN
more like raidCN

>>25959538
>Towa getting 20k+
>Suisei getting 40k+

>>25954816
They help spread word of her out, which increases the chances of people staying to watch her.

Where's the real number thread and tally

>>25959936
what happened to Mumei's stream? connection issues?

>>25959936
Superchat reading really tanks your numbers

>>25959831
A lot. No.

>>25959936
If that useless whore would've raided Mumei or even just ended her stream earlier Mumei would've hit 10k, but no she's a selfish bitch who holds 5k people hostage time and time again

>>25959968
>>25953913

>>25959831
Well, the location matters most. Everything else is how much they are willing to dedicate themselves to upkeep a studio. It's not cheap and probably not a viable option for them.

>>25959831
You could set up a shitty one for pretty cheap imo but no one in EN would have the technical or practical skills to do it

>>25959936
Reveal peak
Normal stream
Normal stream with late overlap and SC reading
Normal stream with disconnect and SC reading

Off topic but since it's dead hours, do you guys know any good sites that provide free pdfs on learning skills like programming languages, microsoft office, mining data, math software etc? To make it relevant, I want to contribute in #s.

So now karaoke is not a buff for holojp and only a buff for holoen? When did this opinion form? I thought karaoke was a buff for all branches

Sana joins, will numbers go down?

>>25956015
not unless they know enough JP and are extroverted enough to invite multiple JPs.
Coco's show had the most shit tier memes but it was advertised that way and the laughs were mostly from JPs getting confused or laughing at cross language memes.

>>25960047
>Location + Building costs
>Having the people to help run things
>The equipment costs

>>25960141
i'd argue it's barely a buff for either unless you're known for being good at it

>>25959831
Depends on the location, the space and the room quality. You need to contract / hire some staffs, too, which is not cheap if you want them to perform at professional levels. The room itself costs around $40k / month.
You will need props also. $80k / month is a generous estimation. Annual cost would be around $1M.
Instead of setting things up, it's cheaper for now to just fly the girls to Japan or have them set a home 3D.

>>25960217
>being good at it
please explain this: >>25959029

>>25960104
open.edu
openlibrary.org
but mostly stackexchange and yt

>>25960263
Thanks

>>25954297
this cope again

>>25960203
For example, I'm almost certain Cover's studio most likely has 3-4 full-time associates running the place.

>>25960141
It's not that much of a buff for many of them. They do it a lot, it's always the same songs, there's a dozen of those streams, with same said songs, every week, and it's archived. None of the JPs get 2X their normal CCV like ENs for unarchived sets, except maybe Suisei.

>>25959973
that's what happened to whorca she had a lot of potential but she decided it wasted when she just went for milk gachikois

>>25960141
Karaoke's a buff, but the buff is highly variable on both how good of a singer you are and how well known you are for singing (be it for how SOVL you are or how good you are), and how often you do it.
Example: Noel is pure SOVL and is well known for it. She also doesn't do it very often so it's a pretty big buff for her.
For Miko and Pekora, they aren't really well known for being great singers, and they also aren't particularly -great- either, so not much of a buff.

real tally doko

>>25960259
It's bullshit, singing quality DOES matter, but it isn't the ONLY thing that matters.

>>25960334
>>25960353
so I guess numbers doesn't depend on quality of singing but the rarity of it?

>>25959493
>>25959551
Here is the number of songs Suisei had sung on her karaoke including the genre breakdown.

did gura really hasn't at least retweet the AltPV that she's literally featured in? fucking how???

>>25959831
She's had like 20k members for over a year, plus her merch which accounts for far more money than superchats and members do, she's at least got a couple million dollars to burn. If she wants to set it up in some location with low prices, she probably could fund an EN office by herself.

But she would have to pick out somewhere like Alaska, because if she did it anywhere within California for example the price would shoot to absurd amounts. I just looked at a list of 'cost of living/value of 100$' across the US, California is the worst on both metrics, and Alaska has a major airport and is closer to Canada and easier to get to and from Japan. It's the ideal location imo

>>25960359
You lazy sack of shit, scroll up.

>>25960403
Nothing is ever just 1 factor. Rarity helps. Quality helps.

>>25959779
How come Niji special events sound so weak compared to Cover making a Hololive game?

>>25960450
I only see one that includes bots and some twitch one

>>25956992
it's a local server issue, multiple times the z has coincided with lag on stream for some people while others were fine.

Ike trending.

>>25960485
Oh fucking cope more you shitposting faggot.

>>25960413
How am I supposed to read this? 691 songs?

>>25960413
> vtuber
Those are her own songs, aren't they?

I find it funny with the raids being abused by NijiEN, their viewership is still low compared to HoloEN and HoloID.

>>25960512
Shut up newfag, if you were a numbers connoisseur you would have seen the test streams for the bots months ago and seen the predictions on how it would be used.

>>25960478
Because they haven't mastered the hype cycle and don't care about strengthening their IP

>>25960505
>71k
would be interesting to know if chunks of it are bots or spammers

>>25960485
Be the change you want to see.

>>25960603
It's been around for the last few days, I won't work if its easily done by other people either.

>>25960433
If I make a million dollars I don't want to waste it on something dumb. Rather pay a few thousands bucks to fly to Japan a few times a year.

SEEDs at 4, HoloALT at 9

>>25960433
If they can get a partnership with Valve, they can use their office for 3D.

>>25960505
No one here gives a shit

>>25960505
Ike seems to be preparing for a sololive as well as an EP, expected to hit iTune top 50 soon.

>>25960505
fake? I saw nothing from the trend.

>>25960563
kobo isn't the whole branch

>>25960591
Niji stuff always trends, it's the topic thing they have.

>>25960657
>24 hours event
>acts surprised that it trended longer

>>25960657
you mean the relay that has been going on all day has more engagement than a 2 min pv, next you're gonna tell me longer streams get more SC and watch time or something

>>25960657
HoloAlt happened like a day ago and SEEDs is an ongoing stream. How the hell isn't SEEDs number 1?

>>25960681
>>25960591

>>25960642
Take the list, remove Salami, redo the numbers, repost it. There you go. Maybe you'll get 3-5 (yous) so it might be worth the 3 minutes of editing.

>>25960726
Not enough bots.

Polka used to do Karaokes pretty frequently and had god tier song selection in them

>>25960505
Nobody cares. They are the most hated group of vtubers on this thread. Stop talking about them.

>>25960353
Miko has improved a lot but she's still not on the level of top holos

>>25960674
>sololive
>EP
Funniest joke of the day. He's someone who doesn't have any prior experience of performing or making official songs on top of not having a 3D.

>>25960740
Pfft
Okay, that's a good one

~700 ccv waiting room Pekora

>30 hours ?

>>25960740
> third worlders
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, RUBBISH

>>25960744
Again if someone else can do it, I won't.
Even as a kid I said to myself "why learn to clean up after myself when im just going to get a maid to do it as an adult"
I don't have a maid for obvious reasons but I live by the same logic.
Also, on a different note, seen a few mentions of raids, is that implemented on YT now?

>>25960795
Guaranteed 10k at least.

>>25960740
this confirms that nijiniggers are actually subhumans

>>25960795
funnel from holo main ch > orca 3D > peko, so at least 100k.

>Rust
Nice timing, Mori

>>25960649
It's really not cost effective anymore and it will become more impractical as the EN branch expands, especially if they want to do their own Main Channel content or more spontaneous 3D shit.

JP does 3D so much more often and so much more easily, just flying out to Japan every time you want to do a concert is part of why EN is so anemic imo. Granted that would be Cover paying the costs and doing the hiring, still should be done

>>25960740
Salome will join Ike's birthday so it's going to be fun

>>25960795

>I bet more than 471k coco

>>25960923
nice tits

>>25960848
Be a nigger elsewhere, faggot

>>25960848
>Again if someone else can do it, I won't.
Burden of prove.

compared to HoloALT trending

Kaela 4 streams on the 11th, working on her second one of today.

>>25960663
>Partnership with Valve
Where did this come from?

>>25960795
Pekora is reclining so maybe 20k

>>25960961
You mispelled king

>>25957987
I think the major issue is that Myth had a shitton of variety content throughout their first year, including all of Calli's songs, Kiara's Holotalk, Ina art streams, Ame's VR stuff (and her lived2D asset streams) and Gura's English singing + memes.
We also had Calli's TTRPG (RIP) which have a bunch of content from the CHARACTERS in the campaign, which was like having a temporary addition of 2-3 members (whose characters were different enough from their base and a few NPCs).
In comparison Council has so far only done the same things Myth has (songs, unarchived karaoke, other normal streams) and haven't really broken new grounds (closest is Fauna's Tierlist streams, and Kronii's VA stuff, but it doesn't have the same impact).

>>25960927
NA is just too big
unless they can all move to the same location it's always gonna be a nightmare to do 3D live

>>25960979
compared to SEEDs trending

>>25960923
Guess HoloEN Rust collab? Expectation?

>>25960927
You can't do "spontaneous" 3D with people living randomly all over North America. It's a plane flight either way, just a few extra hours for Japan.

>>25958401
she's going on an irl journey apparently

>>25960740
Pretty much confirm the bot farm rumors

>>25961052
100k easy. Gura is popping off.

>>25960923
I don't get why she talks about disliking her tits and then uses art like that. I don't get it, but I do love it.

>>25961022
This is buggy, I'm from Canada and I saw Seeds trending this morning.

>>25960979
Largest pulls are HoloEN debuts. They got trending in EU and AU.

>>25960979
Looking at size of africa and SA again, why are they underdeveloped again?