/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

can you blame her?

Its ok i hate hololive too

>>25785143
What made you think she hates hololive? Considering all the yabs and her overall attitude, it seems that she simply doesn't give a fuck and continues to do her own thing. You could, of course, argue that this attitude has infected some other members or has the potential to do so but that's about it.

>>25785143
Deadbeats

Because Yagoo wouldn't let his friends (TT) be sexfriends with the entire holo roster

why does OP like cock so much?

>>25785143
Hololive was just supposed to be a joke sidejob for her, that blew up beyond all expectations, now she resents the fact that she's gotten famous for being the big tiddy corporate anime girl "Mori Calliope" character, instead of [herself] as the original artist that she thinks she is (and in her "scene", hiphop, there's a big emphasis on "keeping it real", so that especially chafes her). She's incompatible with idol culture and the traditional japanese entertainment mindset of being a cute girl who's supposed to serve the fans, she's just another entitled western bitch at heart who can't deal with restrictions and is just cynically using Hololive to build clout for her true interests, ingratiating herself with and being admitted into hanging out with her favorite twitch eceleb cliques (but the transactionalism is mutual anyway, as those ecelebs are just using her for clout as well and only deign to include her now that she is "Mori Calliope" the 2mil subs vtuber from the most popular agency Hololive, and not just [herself] the random no-name ngmi bedroom artist anymore)

She let vshojo in holo so she’s doing a good job on destroying hololive

>>25785143
Because she doesn't. You just hate her and need this rrat to justify your irrational hatred to yourself.

>>25787905
That was Kiara

>>25785654
this. fuck op.

She is nothing without HOLOLIVE

Some might say she's like flea inside of a dog's ass. The truth is they don't like her because Mori be stealing the girls attention from them.

>>25787237
>hanging out with her favorite twitch eceleb cliques
Is TT really that though? I think she only become friends with them because how small the group of english speaking internet creators who live in Japan. I doubt she was fan of any of those three stooges content.

>>25785143
If she hates it so much why hasn't she quit?

>>25787905
Holofags fear vshojo

>>25785143
>the members stream where she said she isn't planning on graduating anytime soon thanks the the UMG Contract
>the UMG album
>recent tweets talk about finishing an EP recording
>takamori showing some signs of life
>the rrat of her helping on an MV for the fucking One Piece movie
cope and seethe

>>25785143
You mean this one?

>>25790702
Universal deal

If you were mori, you would feel her current situation is ridiculous.
rm's new song has 1.7 million views on YT, and all the rights belong to her.
meramera, on the other hand, got only 2.3 million views and the rights belong to cover, even though she was forced to work with a talentless Jap!

rm invited to conventions all over the country and the VIP passes are sold out!
mori, on the other hand, there are still tickets left for mori's live shows!

Interestingly, the more the Japanese element disappears from her, the more successful she becomes.

>>25790872
Why are doxxbeats line this?

>>25785187
>>25785216
>>25785654

If she hates Hololive so much she should really consider leaving to join GeekXPlus. However she soons forget the fans love Calliope Mori which is all Covers doing, not her self created rapper character outside of Hololive

>>25795095
which is why I believe she's gonna be the first one graduate in HoloEN to focus on rm. Or maybe you know we can get another Azki situation but Mori was never interested with idol cultured or even Japanese culture in the first place. The day her rm is bigger than Mori will be the day she leaves Hololive.

>>25800812
are you saying she'll never leave then?

>>25790872
>>takamori showing some signs of life
Takamori belongs in the trash. I have invested too much attention in the Chicken independent and loving it arc for it to flare up force that fat alcoholic back into that.

>>25785143
She doesn't.

Because her popularity as a Hololive member skyrocketed and got her a bunch of deals and opportunities while at the same time being more restrictive. Meanwhile her actual rapping career is nothing by comparison. It almost completely died off years ago. She's stuck playing a character to stay relevant.

>>25803343
I never understood why she never become full time animator. She is genuinely good at that.

>>25785143
because they won't let her play metal gear

>>25785143
projecting much OP?

>>25803169
Beware, if takamori goes under again the chimken will crash hard.

>>25804075
Unlikely at this stage since it was the Chicken who killed it in the first place. KFP and Deadbeats embarrassing her in front of her Mom about Mori was a step too far. If they start collabing more outside of this week to a degree they did before she left Japan, then the red flags are raised.

>>25804075
If anything she's less interested in it than Mori is.

>>25803431
Probably because animation isn't a high income job, unless you're doing commissions on your Patreon.

>>25803431
She said it was because art was more of a passion for her. Just because you're passionate about it doesn't mean you want to do it as a full time gig.

>>25785143
she got her success in the form of a monkey's paw wish

Never understood why incels hate this woman.
If anything, she should be an inspiration to them. That no matter how fat, ugly, or cringy you are, a man or woman somewhere wants to fuck you.

>>25800812
The UMG contract locks her in for 3-5 years. What you're saying here is no one will graduate in the next 5 years.

>>25804075
Chimken has done well enough for herself in the time since takamori was kill almost a year ago. She's not setting new records, sure (but tbf, not like she was before, and takamori didn't really help her either, plus everyone else has kinda plateau'd as well) but she's stabilized on her relative level, is in a much happier place both figuratively and literally, and (just like Mori) has found other people to hang out with she vibes much better.

She's in no mood or need to make "takamori" a serious thing again, there's no motivation (see for example the relatively reserved and low enthusiasm they have in the offcollab, compared to how excited Kiara was for other girls' potential visits), so there's no real chance of takamori "reviving" (and of course inevitably crashing) again. Most likely they just go back to mostly ignoring each other for months and mostly just hanging out with their different actual friend circles instead, just like the months before leading up to the visit.

Because they rejected Milky Queen 3 times.
>Myth
>Vsinger
>Gen2

Gen2 hurts especially because the 5 they picked are utterly horrendous. Such an incredible step back, an unmitigated shitshow from start to finish, the lore nonsense, the talent's lack of likeability, the talents lack of interest in actually streaming, the talents lack of charisma or talent, what a disgrace.

>>25804187
> it was the Chicken who killed it in the first place
Is this the new KFP revisionism?
A "you're not dumping me, I'm dumping you" cope?

>>25807759
She's beautiful .

>>25785143
why do you hate hololive so much?

>>25807787
nta, but if UMG cared enough, they could either "buy out" the Mori Calliope character to separate from Cover completely, or do some kind of sub-label organizational/legal reshuffling shenanigans that puts her on a more focused "vsinger" track instead of the standard hololive fulltime "streamer".

(not saying this is likely or that I wish it to happen, btw, just laying out that some potential exit scenarios before 3-5 years are possible)

I was surprise to see people still try the takamori ship here, with their own threads and whatnot.
Gurame is more dead than Takamori since an attempt at a Gurame thread usually just have around 20 posts and all involve it being dead

>>25807797
I know very little about Milky other than she knows Mori's roommate and got snubbed in the holo auditions
would Milky do a better job?

>>25807930
There is no chance UMG would put up enough money to do that. There is no chance any company could. It would be easier and far more cost effective to buy Cover than to buy a character.

>>25808035
Yes, she's very talented. She lives in Tokyo and has extensive experience (nearly 4 years) vtubing, as well as working with Japanese companies in the entertainment sphere as a vtuber/idol/singer/voice actor.

She is fluent in japanese, a Native English speaker, plays guitar and sings very well. The very fact that she is a 3 view and talentless hacks within hololive make bank proves once and for all that Connor from Trash Taste was actually fucking right about agency signal boosts.

>>25807989
>with their own threads
It is just for the current collabs to be fair like the Pavonashi threads were.

>>25808193
Stop shitposting and start the stream Mori. You're 9 minutes late.

>>25807799
NTA, but in the end it's probably a little bit of both.

Mori "killed" it by disinterest or not wanting to play into it anymore (seriously, Mori is probably the least suitable person to try to have a yuri ship with; they didn't check their actual compatibility long enough before they decided to play-act out this gimmicky "relationship" they were both not good enough actors for to make it work) and neglecting/ghosting Kiara after she left Japan and they didn't have the physical proximity connecting them anymore and Mori became too busy with work and her other actual friends again.

Kiara "killed" it then insofar after she was the one who made the public announcement finally that yeah, this isn't really working out and we kinda dropped it, after the audience already noticed and commented on the fact that takamori hasn't really done anything together for a long time and what could be up with that.

>>25808313
Mori killed it by being utterly shit at tsundere act, all she could do was emotionally abusive behaviour that was beyond cruel to Kiara. Many took it at face value and felt offended that Kiara was treated so harsly by her genmate and supposed friend.

>>25785143

I don't think Mori hates hololive at all. She loves me as long as she's streaming!

/vt/ on their way to complain about male collabs and vtubers having bfs

>>25785143
RENT


FREE

it's like her words are eating at the back of people's minds even though she "apologized"

>>25811534
>yeah dawgs I still think all that idol shit is cringe as fuck, but after getting bukkake'd with akasupas just for playing a big tiddy anime girl character I totally "changed my mind", trust me bro!

Did she just talk about eating weed chocolates on the stream?

13.5k watching mori+kiara karaoke. Isn't this low by EN and JP standards? How the fuck did they manage to recline so bad? All those "yabs" from Mori seemed mostly childish shit only dramaniggers would care about but it seems some actual fans were filtered as well...

>>25811534
Cannot believe she tweeted this.
How can you be a cuckbeat and read this
So all the rrats about her hating hololive are confirmed true, by her, for her first year
But NOW it's totally different guys, Jesus
Imagine this as your oshi

>>25812400
go back to your incel discord

>>25787237
Based and truthpilled

>>25785143
It's over, anti-Mori chudcels.
Orange bird has restored /vt/'s love for Calli.

>>25785143
BLACK
COMPANY

>retweeting her boyfriend's post
aww how cute

>>25813238
talking about Hololive here babe.
not brave group or nijisanji.

>>25812939
the wigger of nippon will make kiara hateable again. the collab was architectured by the eggs

>>25808035
milky is an actual muscian

>>25815806
So is Mori. Singers and rappers are musicians too.

>>25816405
mori does not compose music, milky does

>>25787237
It must wound her pride to know that no matter what she does, Mori will always overshadow who she is behind it.

>>25816625
do you really think shes aware enough to know that?

>>25816540
and look where it's gotten her.

>>25787237
Interesting how the antis end up agreeing with Connor after all.

Hololive is the only reason this bootleg Otep is famous.

Her music fucking sucks. The novelty that it's a le anime girl is the only thing that carries it.

>>25822899
>Disgusting SEAniggers
How about you look at numbers and many people actually listens to it and beats most holos, doubt you can do that though

>>25825449
learn english bug

>>25787994
Unironically this.

>>25823084
context for this?

>>25829510
https://twitter.com/calliopemori/status/1531251712165482497?t=60I593vTnO7aI4s4Ms1PMQ&s=19

>>25830822
kek.

>>25830822
I'm even more lost, who is that? What happened?

>>25831807
Sydney invited Karen to her wedding in England, the only reason Karen she went to Austria because it was along the way. Considering Kiara's schedule was marked as gaming streams leading up to her new outfit, it was probably last minute notification for her.

>>25832086
But you are saying this like we didn't know about or Kiara didn't know about it.
Mori when she announced her coming to Austria literally told her that she is coming because she is in EU area anyway.

>>25832200
She said she wanted to go in July with Ame. Is it July? Did Ame turn up?

>>25823084
>posting your own cringey superchat
>that will never get read
Why?

>>25832258
You have literally never watched a stream? How do you thread read this hard? Not a single thing you said is true.

>>25832200
why are we acting like Austria is right next to GB? It's like saying "hey I'm coming to Texas so I thought I'd swing by Florida to visit you" it's still a pretty big expression of wanting to see someone

>>25832432
Nigga, it is like 2 hour flight.
>it's still a pretty big expression of wanting to see someone
I never said it wasn't.

>>25832432
she took a 2 hour flight so she wouldn't have to pay for a hotel in a new country. Oh and kiara was there I think

>>25832916
they spent two days together retard. She bought a hotel room anyway so it wasn't saving money. They literally spent two days drinking Aperol Spritz, sitting in a hot tub, and having hot lesbian sex streaming on youtube together

Takamorist cultists on suicide watch. The funniest part was Mori trying to stoke the dead embers of that shit only for Kiara not to fall for that fat alcoholic's tricks

>>25816540
>mori does not compose music
Neither do any of these people.

>>25833143
>TakaMorist
Is this a schism from Catholicism or something?

>>25833143
I don't know but to me it seemed they had their fun. Obviously the old takamori dynamic should never come back and it didn't.

>>25833182
all university musicians(the ones in that picture) have to compose at least during their education. Also mori doesnt even play any instruments

>>25834133
no they don't all have to do that

>>25834133
>all university musicians(the ones in that picture) have to compose at least during their education.
No, instrumentalists are not expected to compose in most conservatories. In the rare instance they are, you would not believe how many just get a composer friend to do it for them. They don't have the time for that when they would rather be practicing every waking hour.
>Also mori doesnt even play any instruments
The voice is an instrument. Any self-respecting singer will tell you that.

Let me use a different example. Paul and John did the composing work between themselves with The Beatles. Were George and Ringo, then, not musicians during the time on the band?
Syd, Roger and David did the composing for Pink Floyd. Were Wright and Mason not musicians during their time on the band? I could go on, but you get the idea. You're conflating musician with composer.
Look, I get it. You hate Mori. But you're twisting yourself into a knot just to discredit her.
>something something cuckbeat
I'm indifferent to her. Yes, she is a retard. But saying that a singer and rapper isn't a musician flares up my autism.

>>25835486
>The voice is an instrument. Any self-respecting singer will tell you that.
I really don't listen to rap or much of any music really, is mori's singing considered good or bad or just meh?

>>25835822
listen to it yourself
she lacks a lot of what makes an artist stand out
she currently does well because a pink anime girl sells her music and does cutsey stuff on stream

>>25831807
>>25832200
https://archived.moe/vt/thread/25785143/#q25830822
my orange bird cant sustain another cucking like this

Mori the fatto whalo
man ahoy the harpoono

>>25808313
>>25808371
Yeah and see how Mori's actions are rewarded by giving her higher CCV and views than Kiara, because Takamorifans are mostly deadbeats.

They are likely offended at Kiara, because she ended the ship, because Mori can do no wrong apparently

>>25837742
Why are you making rrats about fanbases? Like for fuck sake this boards obsession with deadbeats is getting stupid.

>>25838631
don't stop them, it's kinda fun to read

>>25785143
She doesn't. She's said countless times how much she loves Hololive

>>25785143
https://files.catbox.moe/lq4d3e.mp4
imagine being deadcuck

>>25822291
>Antis think Mori is a talentless hack
>Connor thinks Mori is a talentless hack
THEY ARE

>>25816625
>>25817072
I do wonder what she honestly thinks sometimes. I imagine she stopped caring and just wants to cash in now.

In the end her rap career never really took off, she’s just an anime comfort woman now.

>>25787237
Based truth post.

>>25790702
Money

>>25800812
Will she even still be relevant in 5 years?

>>25822291
I don't think anyone really disagreed with him, the problem is the person he was describing was her and she thinks it's about everyone but her. That's why she thinks it's a nothing comment, if she realized it's talking about her she would be eternally assblasted about it. That issue is the divide between her fans and her antis. Her fans agree everyone else sucks and she's great and her antis like everyone else and hate how she treats and views them. If she weren't in Hololive she wouldn't have those antis because nobody cares how a competitor treats Holos.

>>25842646
Maybe or maybe not. Who knows how long Hololive keep being relevant.

>>25835822
she has a few good qualities that aren't quite enough for her to rise above "mediocre"

>>25807601
>Art is her passion. But it is too hard and doesn’t make enough money.
>Music is her job. It’s easy to write trash lyrics in a couple of hours and sing over someone else’s hard work for major dough.
So she does it for money.

>the person he was describing was her and she thinks it's about everyone but her.
rumao

>>25811534
Why fight against it when she confirms it in the tweet?

>>25811734
Timestamp?

>>25842666
I don't think Connor meant anyone particular and just used Hololive as an example because he probably was still assblasted that how much management was cockbloking him from the 1on1 collabs.

>>25842778
It’s called poetic irony.

>>25785143
I don't get it, I don't even think she hates holo, which is what's frustrating, she's just completely indiferent I think
It's like watching some holywood studio making an adaptation of your favourite anime or game or whatever, it's that level of indiference I think. They go and make a presentation that seems like it fits but just don't really care and just do their own thing.
I unironically see cali as the netflix adaptation of vtubers.

>>25842896
She is his only reference point and his entire rant only applies to her. Now the second part could apply to all of EN and even some JP's but the entire thing only works for her.

>>25843102
>She is his only reference point
What about Ollie?

>>25833143
Please stop calling Mori a fat alcoholic, I can only get so erect

>>25785143
I don't know OP, maybe check the archive.

>>25842896
>>25843102
If he wasn’t talking about her, even though I think he was, Connor’s only point of reference for his claims at the time was Mori. Who he would have already been friends with and talked to multiple times at that point.

I think the real rrat is that she said that to him and he was parroting it. Which is why she was so defensive about it.

>>25795095
Her RM song is 4 months old, is the first of the "my real feelings" EP, and the her return after a hiatus. The other 3 haven't cracked a mil.
In the meantime Capsule is at 3.5M and Mera Mera is 3 weeks old at 2.3M.

>>25843596
>I think the real rrat is that she said that to him and he was parroting it. Which is why she was so defensive about it
She knows she is lucky though and didn't have anything to do with skills.

>>25843690
Right, which is why she would say that to him. That she didn’t know what she was doing, exaggerated on her resume, made bank right out the gate, and was never in any danger of failing because she got in.

>>25843756
Well to be fair, she also though EN was never gonna blow up like it did and though it was gonna be just a side job.

>>25787237
Seems like the fairest summary of what's happening

>>25787237
This could be a good copy pasta

>>25842666
>If she weren't in Hololive she wouldn't have those antis because nobody cares how a competitor treats Holos.
If she weren't in Hololive and were still just the previous unknown ngmi indie rapper slumming in a shitty apartment in Japan, you know for a fact she be right there jealously seething at "those fake and cringe idol vtuber bitches living the easy life, ugh why do incels throw endless money at them just for acting cute, while I, a ~real artist~, am struggling so much for recognition? Bwuh, not fair!!!".

And you also know for a fact that the main thing that made her change her tune (see tweet, "I used to hate idols, but now blahblahblah I really love them, believe me, teehee") was that now she's on the opposite side and finally on the receiving end of the akasupa firehose too. When she says she "loves idols now", what she really means is that she loves the MONEY that it brings in for her now

>>25846527
Worth noting as well that it took a holofes that she was part of for her to say it, ignoring beyond the stage or any other big concerts like bloom or gen concerts for her to say it. It's incredibly insincere

After last unhinged rants i think she should just graduate. She already made enough cash to live comfortably until her next endeavour. She doesn't want to be big tittie anime girl Any more.

>>25846728
I'll have you know, she said it at least 50 times during each of those other events that she herself wasn't part of at the time, but this time since she also was part of it she felt the need to clarify publically.

>>25842847
Too lazy. She was talking about chocolate made from cabbage from the underworld.

>>25846728
Looking at it cynically, you can also read that tweet as a pretty transparent and blatant attempt to fish for sympathy and farm goodwill with some sappy appeal timed exactly when everyone was still on the afterglow high of Holofes, in order to rack up goodboi credits that she can cash in later on her next inevitable fuckup. It works on the braindead normie fanbase that eats up every pile of shit that's put in front of them

>>25846527
You say that that but she never had any tweets or anything about vtubers outside of that one line about idols in her song.
>>25846728
That isn't the first time she said that though.

>>25841878
Nope. She hates the company. In her other job account during surgery she was bitching about money being good but not making her happy and that she wishes she could take it back due to friendships lost due to said working environment. It was the same video where the term applebitches came from.

>>25846987
> She hates the company
Well can't exactly blame Mori for it. Cover is a incompetant even for Japanese company.

>>25785143
She's a living contradiction, not that surprising she also hates the thing that saved her

Imagine liking her "music". It same as eating shit.

>>25848112
She has good songs but it isn't anything amazing.

>>25790334
People here actually don't know what twitch is at all. Ame, Gura, and Kronii are far more "twitch" than Mori ever will be. Twitch is just a scary buzzword for things you don't like same as 'reddit'.

Honestly unless Kronii is shockingly ugly I think she would do extremely well on twitch. She's basically made for it.

>>25822899
>bootleg otep
Anon, my sides. The original one was bad enough

>Connor hates Mori
I belieb this rrat

>>25846987
Why would work environment cause loss of friendships?

>>25847058
But that's not why she hates it, if anything that's the one part she likes (her manager).

>>25785143
I just don't like TT. If she wanted to hang with them, just do it as DD. Now the character from Hololive is linked to them.

>>25849243
She had something going on prior joining hololive. When she joined she alienated herself from them. During the whole thing with connor where she laughed at a fanart of deadbeat being cucked by connor and had to apologize she went back to her DD account to vent. It was here where she said that selling out for money isn't the way to go and that she lost contact with some people because of things she wouldn't go about because of her contract with hololive. She even went as far as having her mods ban anybody who mentioned hololive during that stream.

>>25849308
>if anything that's the one part she likes
Them being incompetent?
>>25849438
>just do it as DD
I think that is the plan from now on maybe.

>>25849658
I think she though that her becoming popular and making shit load of money would make her happy and when it didn't she doesn't know what to do.

>>25822291
No one ever disagreed with connor, it's just easy to bring up anti-hololive statements to cover in order to prevent collabs, it's gatekept veibae out spectacularly

>>25842739
>>25846987
>>25849658
>waaaaah money doesn't make me happy even though I earned more than enough from incel unicorns who I hate to leave society and never work again for the rest of my life :(
why doesn't she just give it away then? I am sincerely asking this. why is it always richfags that complain money brings them problems?

>>25849243
Seek work someday and find out.

>>25850836
>why doesn't she just give it away then?
You mean the money? I don't know.
>why is it always richfags that complain money brings them problems?
I mean it does most of time it does but in Mori's case she just though it would make her happy but it didn't.

>>25785143
she's a wigger who just wants to promote her shitty rap music and is in it just for the money and fame

>>25849825
Because she had to sacrifice a lot of things for the money she thought it would make her happy. I used to love mori because if we're being honest if you were to walk in on her at a public place out of all the girls she'd be the one to greet you. However ever since the whole connor thing she hasn't been the same. She allows schizos to live in her mind rent free a little too much which then end up ruining her overall performance because she is now an irate idiot who is disruptive can't keep up with the other girls conversations unless is a topic she brought in first and overall i don't mind her drinking shes a grown woman and can do what she wants but sometimes she drinks too much to the points slip ups happen here and there. Which gives morons like the op the insensitive to create ban bait threads like this one.

>>25852149
They're e-celebrities. Venomous gossip comes with the territory.

>>25852188
It does but Mori should know better not to give in. The moment you become a any type of media figure your freedom of privacy is gone. I just wish she grew a tougher mind and stop allowing imbeciles get inside of her head.

>>25852664
I don't think she was ready for this kinda attention and unironically probably prefers those times when she used to have smaller audience.

>>25807797
I’ve been watching her lately and she’s not that entertaining compared to others on twitch, most of her fans are probably from Mori anyways