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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*>https://playboard.co/en/>http://ikioi-ranking.com/>https://vrabi.ml/>https://www.vstats.jp>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-rankingHololive sites>https://holo.poi.cat/>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html>https://trackholo.live/en/Nijisanji sites>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly>https://twitter.com/2434rankings>https://twitter.com/2434subscriberTwitch>https://sullygnome.com/>https://twitchtracker.com/>https://stats.roki.sh/Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp
>JUNE 2022 GOLD1) Aki (Hololive) - 72,2512) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,6963) Fubuki (Hololive) - 48,4854) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 56,6075) Miko (Hololive) - 98,8586) Watame (Hololive) - 77,793>PER COMPANY5x: Hololive1x: Nijisanji>PER STREAMER1x: Aki, Haachama, Fubuki, Kuzuha, Miko, Watame2022 GOLDS>PER COMPANY108x: Hololive38x: Nijisanji7x: Neo Porte2x: Indie1x: Kizuna AI Inc.>PER STREAMER17x: Pekora16x: Aqua13x: Miko12x: Kuzuha7x: Subaru, Hal5x: Kanata, Marine4x: Suisei, Toya3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu2x: Aki, Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa1x: AI, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Fubuki, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Watame, Vox, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta.
>JUNE 2022 TWITCH GOLD1) VIichan (Isegye Idol) - 15,498 - Vocaloid WC React, Naver catchup2) Gosegu (Isegye Idol) - 14,571 - VR Chat - tween model showcase3) Ine (Isegye Idol) - 14,343 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup4) Lilpa (Isegye Idol) - 16,556 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup5) Kris Yim (Board of Trustees) 19,915 - Black Mesa (Twitch main page)6) Jingburger (Isegye Idol) 15,804 - Voting in anime OST championship>PER COMPANY5x: Isegye Idol1x: Board of Trustees>PER STREAMER1x: Gosegu, Ine, Jingburger, Kris Yim, Lilpa, VIichan
Honeypot thread
>>25659918oh the irony
https://twitter.com/hakuikoyori/status/1534074710174351360https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1534081680054530048https://twitter.com/7216_2nd/status/1534090779832238081Documenting these hololeeches for posterity, help me collect them
>>25660234Nijiseethe
>>25660105>>25660155It was obvious they weren't on good terms. Hololive was just way too restricting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G14ML-3guWU
>>25659918S U C C E S SB R E E D SJ E A L O U S Y
>>25660237I'm sorry anon, you've got a terminal case of tribalist brainSymptoms include seeing congratulatory tweets as offensive and no longer understanding jokes
I can already tell from the OP this is going to be the worst thread of the month
>>25659997Nijiniggers have always been their own worst enemy. Back when vtubing started booming in early 2020 they fucked up hard by deliberately telling new viewers to fuck off to protect their walled garden and ended up making Hololive way more popular as a resultNijifags would actually mass report Nijisanji clippers back then So as per usual they'll take the mask off, reveal how repulsive they really are and end up turning people away yet again.
>>25660143>She's supposedly getting huge amounts of new viewers every streamProof next thread?You are thinking about chatters, not viewers. People who sent messages in chat - that's what the pics posted here were about (you can't see her viewers without them interacting with the stream). Those are just a tiny part of her viewers (~10-ish%) and don't really represent the whole
Seaniggers should be permaban from this site. Especially flipmonkeys
>>25660127im talking from a streamer perspective. growth comes from the sotries that a streamer make. The goals he/she has and the way he improve herself and his content. debuting with a gen helps with those sotrylines as you can see realationships change and growth in a long timespan of years.Salami doesnt have that, but then again her style of streaming is not like most. Less zatsu heavy, more gagbased and also shorter. As some have said is like wathcing a comedy anime.>>25660118well that is in part becasue she has acutally such a strong keyfab she cannot and will not have any control over his fans without breaking that ilusion.So any retard can attach to her.
>>25660315im sorry you are this tribalist anon
>>25660280It's like these faggots have never watched her member streams where she complained that Holo's idol culture was too toxic and restrictive and that them stopping her collab with Melody was the straw that broke the camel's backOh right. Holobronies in/#/ don't even watch streams
>>25660308Koyori's tweet is straight up leeching though
For fucks sake, is this really the only thread?
>>25660308You know how ironic shitposting is still shitposting?Well, ironic leeching and leeching disguised as congratulations is still leeching. They would never acknowledge a 2view, they're leeching on to the biggest thing in town to get some of those sweet tourists
Salomefags make almost sense as kuzuhafags. there are some salome fans in here bt i bet most are just shitposters using her like they used vox
You faggots complain about thread quality and tribalism yet you'll make a thread with a picture like that and expect the quality to still be good. Absolute dumbass behavior.
>JUNE 2022 GOLD1) Salome (Nijisanji) - 97,905 - Resident Evil 72) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696 - 4th anniversary totsumachi3) Salome (Nijisanji) - 96,226 - GTA V4) Salome (Nijisanji) - 94,165 - Resident Evil 75) Salome (Nijisanji) - 102,804 - Resident Evil 76) Watame (Hololive) – 77,793 - 3D birthday live>PER COMPANY4x: Nijisanji2x: Hololive>PER STREAMER4x: Salome1x: Haachama, Watame2022 GOLDS>PER COMPANY104x: Hololive43x: Nijisanji6x: Neo Porte2x: Indie1x: Kizuna AI Inc.>PER STREAMER17x: Pekora16x: Aqua12x: Miko11x: Kuzuha8x: Salome7x: Subaru6x: Hal5x: Kanata, Marine4x: Suisei, Toya3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta
>>25660264dude one of your talents is literally trying to leech off a NijiI don't really know what to say
>>25660315>So as per usual they'll take the mask off, reveal how repulsive they really areThis is already happening, half the tweets about her hitting 1m are people shitting on other chuubasIt's literally this thread except worse and there's more of it
Thank you salomates!
>>25660404>>25660409
Salami to the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
>>25660390All nijifans are bitter tribalists willing to cheat to win. Vox and Salome prove that.
>>25660409dont try to reason with it anon, it literally posts the same thing to everything niji related
Good work nijiniggers, you have successfully filtered at least one holofag from continuing to watch her.
>>25660237>Congratulationsvs>NijiEN living in HoloEN twitter replies after debuts.Koyori looks like a retard though.
>pic is Holobronies in this thread right nowCope seethe and dilate faggots
>>25659918>>25660308>>25660315>>25660390>>25660414>>25660435>>25660438we were innocent goy, it was the nijiniggas that did it not us!
>>25660338You need a superstar for a solo debut. IRyS is a supporting character so of course that didn't work
>>25660359Well of course we don't watch Rosemi's member streams, we're holofags remember?
>>25660438No one gives a fuck about you anon
>>25660414>>25660390>>25660338now that i think about it. Solome keyfabe and 1hr streams does put her in disadvantage to control or have a good comunnity.
>>25660414>on other chuubasOnly Holos, which is well deserved. People didn't shit on VSPO or Neoporte or VERSEn, for exampleIt's called karma
>>25660438SUCCESS BREEDS JEALOUSYShe's literally getting 10k subs per hour. Your one view means nothing.
How does Salome get 100k viewers a stream even for normal games? I don't get it. I watched her and she seems like a normal talent. What am I missing? Is it bots like vox?
>>25660315>>25660414Who knew they could be more toxic than early chumbuds?
>>25660328It's a sample of the whole, chatters would also be the most likely to stick around/ most dedicated.
What's so bad about Hololive being the underdog again?
>>25660359(You) don't watch streams. If (you) did, you wouldn't try this angle
>>25660438kek letting anonymous users on a basket weaving forum make a decision for you
>>25660468>pic is Holobronies in this thread right nowOh, no.... anything but this.....Anyway, sauce?
>>25660482Does she have good interaction with her fanbase?
>>25660505HOLOCOPE
>>25660414I know this is hyperbole and exaggeration, but it's even funnier because I know most of this thread can't even read Japanese.
So today she'll break 100k+ views from people wanting to see how she acknowledges the milestone, right?
>>25660438Damn, she is going to be really sad to get a median of 93,999 instead of 94k now
>>25660493Uh, bro. you forgot to add the smalldog image to your post
>>25660485Hololive is always magnanimous in victory, it's a shame that Nijniggers have such a deep seated inferiority complex they act like this.
>>25660438Don't worry, thanks to, Hololive talents shilling, Salome will get more holofans soon
>>25660533200k CCV!
>>25660533Most likely. If she can't reach 100k with 1m buff, she is reclining
>https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000092.000044525.htmlSo VSpo is now a sister group of RIOT MUSIC, Aogiri Highschool, and some others.Honestly I can't believe VSpo is corpo now. But they should be able to get everyone in 3d for events with this change.
Yup, 50 posts in and this already the worst thread in /#/ history, even worse than the Millie botting one.
>>25660493If you have to ask, you'll never get it. It's unironically an IQ filter because the humor is very layered and it's like watching a performance. But hey, maybe Hololive is more your level, enjoy your bottom of the barrel yuribait and waifu pandering.
>>25660527there isnt SC reading or anything really meaningful zatsu wise during most streams.not even sure if she would do memebership streams.
>>25660500And that chart already shows that her viewer retention is growing since debut.While still having a 90% tourist audience.
>>25660364>>25657355
>>25660570>I can't believe VSpo is corpo nowThey were always corpo tho? A small corpo, but one nonetheless
>All these tribalistic holo responses>The OP pic>Its Nijifans shitting up the catalog!
>>25660527Not really. Format is too short and she's mostly doing the kayfabe.
>>25660570Anon, Vspo is already corpo before this...
>>25660527she mostly creates her own comedy, chat banter is very rare. From watching her streams, the usual case is that she looks at chat maybe once every 30 mins or so.
>>25660308>tribalist brainWhile>Op is literally tribalist
lol
>>25660505>>25660528
>>25660485They've been shitting on holos since holos were literal 2views and their main competition was the likes of 774 and .LIVE, I still don't understand where this specific seething comes from
>>25660597>>25660618And still you faggots choose this one instead of make another
>>25660617So Ai Kizuna/old style vtuber but it's livestream?
>>25660597Did you miss how the previous thread got progressively worse as Nijiniggers started posting?
Salome mindbroke #'s
>>25660402Usually we migrate to the less tribal op, but no other thread was made this time, so we're stuck with this one.
uh guys, how can I shit on Salome without sounding salty?
>>25659940>JUNE 2022 GOLD1) Salome (Nijisanji) - 97,905 - Resident Evil 72) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696 - 4th anniversary totsumachi3) Salome (Nijisanji) - 96,226 - GTA V4) Salome (Nijisanji) - 94,165 - Resident Evil 75) Salome (Nijisanji) - 102,804 - Resident Evil 76) Watame (Hololive) – 77,793 - 3D birthday live>PER COMPANY4x: Nijisanji2x: Hololive>PER STREAMER4x: Salome1x: Haachama, Watame2022 GOLDS>PER COMPANY104x: Hololive43x: Nijisanji6x: Neo Porte2x: Indie1x: Kizuna AI Inc.>PER STREAMER17x: Pekora16x: Aqua12x: Miko11x: Kuzuha8x: Salome7x: Subaru6x: Hal5x: Kanata, Marine4x: Suisei, Toya3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta
>>25660527If she tried to actually engage her audience, they would get filtered. That's part of why they're so garbage, because they really haven't been filtered at all, and they have no respect for polite behavior
>>25659918This is going to be a wonderful thread, I can already tell
>>25660597What if I told you the OP poster and the "Nijifags" were one and the same? These threads have a major shitposting tourist problem.
>>25660584>Enter thread>Immediate bot cope
Why is it that SEA posters have such a fanaticism for Nijisanji?I mean, I get the numbers are big, but can't people just celebrate in peace?
>>25660637Didn't realize Niji slipped to 3rd place behind VSPO
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/v6oexa/hyakumantenbara_salome_has_hit_1_millions/
>>25660553You're more likely to see her new-to-vtubers fans moving to Subaru and Miko based on the chatter overlap than people abandoning the box they're in.
>>25660683Nijifans are celebrating in peaceIt's the Holofags shitting up the thread
>>25660665>If she tried to actually engage her audience, they would get filtered.I don't understand this mindset. Wouldn't the opposite happen because she panders the audience?
>>25660591>>25660611But now the indie feel will be gone
>>25660661You if you say "bots" "nijiseethe" and "fotm" enough times you might come out sounding sane.
One day she might reclineOne day she might not trendOne day she might even retireBut never forget the one that single-handedly broke you, /#/
>>25660579She hasn't been streaming that long so her retention should be very high but it isn't..The problem is that she doesn't keep many of the people that watch a stream but somehow gets a huge amount of new people that come from the ether.
>>25660683I don't know, every fucking time I see an ESL ITT, it's always a holofag
>>25660646Pretty much. Added ojousama roleplay also makes a lot of comedic situations funnier, because even when she's screaming her tonsils out she sticks to kayfabe.It's almost artificial, like an actual anime character.There has been like ONE instance where she almost broke, in her 3rd stream I think she let out a ”あ、やべ” and chat was FLOODED with people pointing it out, but she never slipped again.
>>25660716The casual tourist doesn't like Zatsudan or superchat reading, since they don't pay or care about hearing the talent's opinions or about their day
>>25660468God I wish I was a Holobrony
>>25660750It's fascinating the amount of seethe we've caused to a specific group of Indog discord trannies
>>25660661It's impossible, people will declare you are just mad about numbers because of the contextI do have an actual criticism though, she leans on video game streams. They're lazy, lowest common denominator content, above only reacting to viral videos (which you can't do on Youtube anyway). Her one attempt at zatsu was nothing special. This largely also applies to Pekora though
>>25660716She's get a more loyal audience, but the V-hating tourists watching her would get filtered.
So anons, who's winning gold today?Thankfully that dumb bitch haachama decided to make it a premiere so she can be thrown in the garbage where she belongs
>>25660637>Care about medians and meansForever-2nd-rate mentality
>>25660683All the Nijibro posts I see are completely fine, we are celebrating big numbers in the numbers thread like what we're meant to do. Meanwhile holobronies attack us at every turn unprovoked, like in the OP of this thread. And then they have the audacity to claim to be the victim.The holobrony cries out in pain as he strikes you.
>>25660689I wonder how the merge will affect the ranking for Brave Group and VSPO rankwise.
Chocosen 6.6k, I kneel
https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1534084895429074945I don't get it. Why is YT not exposing her for botting?
>>25660761>that come from the ether.*that catch up with VODs you mean
>recycling Vox bait with Salome nowBut her face is not as annoying so, it's an improvement
>>25660789>she leans on video game streams. They're lazy, lowest common denominator contentIf they're the lowest common denominator content, when why can't Hololive do it and succeed in the same way?
>>25660765I do think she has played or at elast aware of most of the game before hand. Even with chat help which she doesnt see a lot she doesnt get that lost nor does she waste time on looking at the enviroment in games. it is more a play/act than it is a normal gaming playtrough.
>>25660792I agree, Nijisanji should graduate every single Liver who isn't Salami. They only need one, and it's number 1
>>25660810It depends if they're all counted as Brave GroupVSpo will still operate independently, just like aogiri
>>25660825Who are these people who watch a single 1-hour stream live, then are never available in that time slot again and have to catch up on the vod
>>25660672I'd believe you if the second post wasn't the meme tally that specifically excludes Salome and was made by holofans.
Thread narrative the past few days went from>Salome is botted and her growth isn't natural and soon she'll die out at 10k views, cope nijiniggersTo now>Please stop guys, tribalfagging is actually bad why are you bragging about numbers?This general from the very beginning was numberfag and tribalfag territory.
>streams over 10k so farSkinny day so far
>>25660792Immediately graduate all Nijis other than Salome.
>>25660716they are they to watch an act. they dont care about everything else.given the twitter behavior i HOPE is a temporal thing or her fans are gonna be really annoying since she cant call them out without breaking the act.
>>25660868Graduate all Holos for not being Salome
>>25660868They are harmless, so it wouldn't matter if they are, or aren't there. People are going to pay attention at the top anyway.
This bitch is botting, Milord has way more activity.
>>25660851Normal people? I watch maybe 30 minutes of streams every day when I'm eating or about to sleep and no more than that. I don't give a fuck about dead hours because I'm at work or doing my own shit most of the day. Sometimes I'll be up there catch a stream live and sometimes I won't be.
>>25660891Yagoo never stops being a savirofag anon, he is that loveable.
>>25660864Haachama's anniversary is a premiere so she won't be counted and her watchalong will do shit numbersMio has a chance with the one million enduranceBut I wouldn't be surprised if Salome started early today
>>25660862What the fuck are you talking about. This thread has just been bogged down with absurd amounts of shitposting for the last 6 hours because of salami hype, there hasn't been any serious attempt to argue with them because they're fucking shitposters
>>25660862BUT HOLOS ARE LOSING, YOU CAN'T BE MEAN TO US WHEN WE LOSE
>>25660821Any second now...right?????
>>25660683They are seething cause holo never gave them attention
>>25660825Is there any proof of that? Her VOD views have been decreasing. If they were sticking around and watching they should be much higher.Where are all the new chatters coming from? How can she consistently have so many people new to her stream that don't watch anyone else?
Oh boy, this cute KR catgirl is getting 5k+ again.
>>25660922Yagoo is a model that should be a CEO instead. He needs to manage this company better.
>>25660854lol, implying it wasn't a fucking nijinigger that made that tally just so he could act offended by it. You're so fucking obvious
>>25660838Because they all also do other things (zatsus, karaoke, and worse of all, superchat readings) that filter people who just want to enjoy a video game by proxy while half paying attention to someone yelling over it
>>25660821Okay bros, here's how Hololive can still win. Nijisanji will fold any second now, it was all a prank.
>>25660952Fucker, he is better than Riku who willingly cuts underperforming streamers.
>holo will never a gold ever again>holo will never get a 100k stream ever againYou got your 1 year holoniggers. It's our time now.
Unity is the answer anon
>>25660505>BeInG aN uNdErDoG1!1!>AGAINHuh? Are you too retard to read graph or cocky because a single girl?
>>25660838Becasue the girls dont want themwell rather they dont want them to FORM THE MAYORITY of their respective fanbase and want to do variety fo content.
>>25660948I don't know why but somehow I'm not surprised NijiKR actually more successful when they merged into main branch
>>25660838you mean like Mikos WWE streams?
>>25660948I said it, Niji is taking over the markets again. Salome will take care of JP. Vox the Asian / CN / TW. Now even KR Nijis are inclining again.Holo has... what? ID market? Maybe a dying Western market too?
>>256609480.05 salome..
>>25660979Uh huh, and he is going to waste all of that money he made during HoloFes to save his dying company.
>>25659918* YESTERDAY'S FINAL TALLY*>77,793: Watame (Hololive)>30,450: Tsukasa Tenkai (Indie)>28,960: Miko (Hololive)>26,650: Laplus (Hololive)>17,424: Tamaki (NoriPro)>16,187: Botan (Hololive)>16,031: Mio (Hololive)>15,632: Kanae (Nijisanji)>15,538: Shion (Hololive)>15,325: Towa (Hololive)>14,646: Kaede (Nijisanji)>13,249: Noel (Hololive)>12,688: Okayu (Hololive)>12,350: Fubuki (Hololive)>11,872: Haachama (Hololive)>10,557: Reid (Neo Porte)>10,221: Koyori (Hololive)>10,031: Kobo (Hololive)
>>25660965Makes sense, so she's basically a live let's player without any of the other extra stuff streamers do. I can see the appeal honestly, I used to watch only LP's. Still do mostly, mixed in with some karaoke.
>>25660792Any actual Nijifag would care about the state of the rest of the company. Stop falseflagging you transparent retard.
>>25660961Ah, so the posts that respond with Nijiseethe must also be nijifans.The posts that try to call out bots must also be Nijifans.Everything in here is just Nijifans.Please stop with the boogeyman posting. Its clearly obvious that those people are not niji fans, at all.
>>25660661Well you could spam "IPO SCAAAM" without a brain.Or we could actually analyze the incidents so far.> Riku announces IPO> Gets told to solo debut a talent> Audience is told that she's a "delayed debut" but even some of their own livers are surprised by the suddenness of the debut> 29 min debut and wacky hijinks give an excuse to "go viral"> first wave of hype is manufactured like always, but it catches on, and becomes real afterwards> Youtube specifically excludes her from sub culls and CCV culls, giving her a smooth-ass curveYoutube uses culling as a way to restrict what people see, because unlike twitch, they're a far more general platform. EN was culled in December 2020 because that was around the time of the Election and they needed people out in the streets for their charade.So pretty sure someone who already had stocks in Nijisanji, someone VERY high up in the chain, came up with this idea in order to inflate their stock. The question is going to be whether it's to sell and cash out, or to bait certain big companies into buying their stock.There's definitely some moves being made in the background, gonna be fun to see where we're going.
>>25660821OH NO NO NO
>>25661018>he made during HolofesAnon-chama, Holofes was a colossal failureWhy do you think Holos are desperate to leech off of Salome right now
>>25660821>>25660938>>25660967Same poster btw.
>>25661018What is this stupid rrat? What the fuck are you imagining Cover is spending their money on here?
Brutal
>>25661064
Botted viewsBotted likesBotted commentBotted trendBotted fanartBotted cosplayBotted SCBotted hype
>>256608212 MORE WEEKS!
>>25661020Can't we just have more fat tits?
>>25661041It's true though. The only people here are retards acting like bigger retards and pretending to get mad at each other. Nobody here is expressing a genuine opinion.
>>25660948The JP start to give em a chance like Bora, i kinda happy seeing suha finally can grow again, last man standing and i hope he stay for long time
>>25661046Even if this is true, it's cope until you can provide more evidence (stock numbers moving in very odd ways) or something that's actually a smoking gun (someone leaks something from internal memos). That's just how it is.
https://twitter.com/1000000lome/status/1534061811901014017CAN'T STOP WINNING
>>25660821>>25661071fucking destroyed
>>25661018>Dying companyHololive earns more than 3 times the revenue of Nijisanji. It's not even a contest, in business terms Hololive blasts Nijisanji so far out of the water in every metric that Hololive is Coke and Nijisanji is their offbrand Aldi knockoff
How many for her tonight?
>>25660948im sure people will ditch her after she finish her drawing streams.
It's kinda sad because she has to retweeted the stream rules around few hours before hitting 1mil, yet all hell still broke loose.
>>25661078Not even a good edit.
NijiFes is going to be a bloodbath in here I swear. I remember when HoloFes3 happen and everyone is watching the stream while no one was talking shit about Niji.Hopefully, Nijifans will be the same.
>>25661122No but Nijisanji wins gold, you're coping if you think anything else matters, Peak CCV is everything and will make Nijisanji a superpower by 2020
>>25661122>Hololive earns more than 3 times the revenue of NijisanjiDid you just fucking miss the data last threadI swear to god these threads
>>25661146How the fuck do I screenshot any better?
>>25661125Isn't that the art from a Holo artist? I know it. It seems like many Holo artists are drawing Salome as well.
>>25661034I wasn't talking about "state of the rest of the company", because it's beyond what >we can get from data available publicly. I was talking about public perception. How new fans, returning fans, or potential fans will be looking at the group. People are going to look at the peaks, not the averages / medians. Do you think normal people care enough to look up on Holo or Niji's averages and medians? Have you ever seen Youtube, or JP news platforms saying anything about that? No, people are going to care about big / biggest numbers. That's why Salome / Niji is current online social phenomenon in JP.Hololive has 10k median CCV? Cool, where are the tweet post from JP news sites or YT about that? Are all sponsors going to look at /#/ or datamine Vrabi to calculate monthly CCV?
>>25661071Heh
>>25661046>EN was culled in December 2020 because that was around the time of the Election and they needed people out in the streets for their charade.lmao okay holobronies are QAnon drones. makes sensehe lost btw, get over it.
>>25661161>Net profit of Nijisanji this year: 1.2B yen>Net profit of Hololive from the previous year: 1.7B Who had more members again?
>ITT: shistposters pissing on an ocean of piss pretending to defend either side while just stoking the "flames"In reality there is no flames, they're essentially talking to themselves and people are talking around them
>>25661151They will shits on Holofans. I can already imagine that
>>25661161The data that clearly indicated Hololive was absolutely destroying Nijisanji in revenue? Yes, we all saw it. We also saw the extensive catalogue of your company's misdeeds and maltreatment of its talent, as well as the terrible corporate policies that steal 90% of the earnings from the Livers.
>>25661185companies dont work ONLY on perception.otherwise koshien would make niji number 1 trought the rest of the eyar.
>>25661064oooh nice try but sorry
>>25661161I don't agree with that anon, but "data last thread" isn't up to date either. Don't think we have this year (2022) reports yet, unless I missed something
>>25661140This is the curse of the biggest numbers. You get an absolute tard audience ( see : xQc, Jun, et Al).Unless she explicitly lays down the law ON STREAM (which will filter her audience) it will never get better.
>>25661235Niji has been, and IS number 1 in JP throughout the year, though? You can try to compare amount of big sponsorships in JP. Holo had 3 or 4, while Niji had dozens
>>25661246We don't have full 2022 data from Cover yet (3 quarters of data got posted for Nijisanji though, as well as the first bit of 2022).
>>25661185Yeah, and the current public perception is the absolute fucking travesty that is desumates on twitter right now. It's a really good look for the fanbase of the new most popular Vtuber in the world to act like fucking rabid animals
>>25661125170k
>>25661229anon that data is missing other shit as well as being up to date. >>25661246hell, the IPO is actually a great opertunity to see the logistics once they open up
>>25660961Stop acting seiso anon, we all know how bitter holofan are to nijifan from this site or outside of this site, like srs
>>25661293Did Cover get scared of posting theirs?
>>25659986Go here >>25657355
>>25661140>>25661260It's the same exact situation as with Gura. You can't get a fanbase that big that fast without picking up a huge number of retards who think being subscribed to someone on youtube means they are part of that success and need to gloat about it
>>25661046There's definitely some sort of foul play going on here.The timing with the IPO and all the other coincidences just don't sit well with me.She's also a complete statistical anomaly in terms of where her viewership comes from and goes when she finishes. I don't doubt that she's popular, big numbers beget big numbers, but she's not a 90k+ streamer.
>>25661317they are private
>>25661071Wait, what's going on with those dates? I don't remember everyone's debut dates exactly but Subaru sure as hell didn't debut in 2020 and Watame is a few days off too.
>>25661284This is just wrong. Nijisanji hasn't been number 1 in japan in years now
>>25661284Then, name the JP sponsors. As far as I know, It's mostly CN or non-JP sponsorships.
>>25661321yeah but desuwa doesnt have a way to filter this reatrds. that is the issue
Only one (1) hololive stream out of the 9 that aired has reached 10k btw, and that 10k is by the leech koyori from her shitty morning show where she; as you might have guessed, leeches off of other members.
Koyori Z'ing, sawtoothing and underperforming her baseball usual numbers
>>25661330how is it wrong though? shit like youtube japan sucking them off all the time should be telling.hololive are just global monsters.
Salome trending
Salome is going to have a special place on the daily lists from now on. She's going to drop down to 1k CCV and every day she'll be strung up and laughed at as an example of the time Nijiniggers got too cocky just like they did with Leos and Edengumi
>>25661355Two. Kronii beat 10k
>>25661125Her stream tonight probably can break her previous record
Any Salome 'fans' shitting on mito or other niji female stream? Just like how chunbud back then
>>25660661Cant. On the face of it, Salome is gold. The most suspicious thing about her numbers is that they came out of nowhere. They should have indicated a new market or another pandemic lockdown. But she’s almost as Japanese as Mito and her graphs are too normal to be bots. All that can be said is that she’s an amazing outlier even for face streamers
>>25661368It's been debunked numerous times. '1# in Japan' is a classic Nijicope, well known and heavily mocked for how often its touted and how wrong it is
>>25661368becasue twitter pages are handle by interns
>>25661330If by "years," you mean "2 weeks," then yeah, Hololive was above Nijisanji in Japan.
>>25661398The only people I shit on are those who have been making bot claims. And you know exactly who you are.
>>25661358Leeching whore, no one cares about her.
what the actual fuck is this dude's problem with koyori, literally has been calling her a leech for like 2 weeksalso, for all the retards about the tweet, watch streams, the whole joke is that she used "desuwa" during the entire stream back in february
>>25661358pfft, what a weak Z, watch this
>>25661423botted google trend
This thread currently only has 48 IPs, as others have already pointed out this schizo has been larping on both sides and samefagging, was even caught on a previous thread.
>>25661423>Google TrendsHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAI missed you Google Trends anon
>>25661423Good old google trends, how I missed you. Welcome back, nijitard, we missed you
>>25661368>how is it wrong though?The fact that Hololive has been more popular in Japan for years now? Hololive sold 5x the doujins at C99 than Niji
>>25660577>To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Hyakumantenbara Salome. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of endoscopic medicine most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Salomes nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterization - her personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodanya Volya literature, for instanse. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Hyakumantenbara Salome truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Salomes existential catchphrase "Desu Wa" which itself is cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Rikus genius unfolds itself on their computer monitors. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Hyakumantenbara Salome tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only. And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
>>25661423>google trends anoni see we have the full buffet of copes today.
>>25661423>Google TrendsOh, hey. How you've been, man?
Less than 24 hours left before the IPO public sale starts and total strangers buy a part of Anycolor. How's it looking boys
>>25661423too much cope
>>25661423>The google trends Nijifag is backI see you finally stopped hiding in shame
>>25661185What sort of unaware retard makes this sort of post?
>>25661452She didn't need to mention Salome
To think, after all this time>NOBODY LAID CLAIM TO RUSHIA SLOT!Come on! It's free real estate
>>25661457Those are literally heartbeats.
>>25661470>muh pornSo Hololive is only good for cooming, good to know. Oh wait, I can just use Genshin doujins for that and they blow Hololive out of the water.
>>25661382botted
>>25660577>You simply lack the intelligence to understand the incredible depth and rich nuance of these video game react streams, unlike me, a certified genius with a very large brain
>>25661410>debunked>nijisanji has a Twitter topic>YouTube Japan shilling nijis 24/7>this garbage >>25661423At some period hololive was more popular but for the past 5 years? Fucking lol
>>25661398Nope, and i don't think anyone gonna attempt to (unless they anti)https://twitter.com/nurunuru_unauna/status/1533026869645570049?t=06Mt-AiSaCwF5bGyiDz3Kg&s=19
>>25661386Did she? Oh I didn't see it, then 2 put of thr 10 streams since I didn't count it.Wow... Friend will hit 10k, Chloe gold possibly and haachama 10k maybe on the watchalong I guess? But I highly doubt it, I'm not expecting big numbers from her today anyways, 20k max.Then after haachama the possible 10ks are botan, mio, kobo and Noel with a possible candidate being watame
QUESTION; is the stock ticket for Anycolor a public one, the way people can see their stock rising and falling with time?That would make numberfag even funnier! a /vt/biz crossover kek
>>25661490Going to short it. I'm betting hard on Anykara doing a pump and dump
>>25661516People are still trying to get back home and are on the train
>>25661461>>25661464>>25661484>>25661488>>25661496I actually have no clue who you're talking about, but if you have anything better that shows Hololive outdoing Nijisanji on the home turf, I'd like to see it.
>>25661518>Retard doesn't understand doujinThe absolute state of tourists.
>>25660862Baffling post
>>25661515she didn't tho, which actually makes it kind of a diss
>>25661516Uproar...
>>25661516>Niji at the topI feel sorry for holobronies now
>>25661559Stop using google trends like a retard.
>>25661452Mentioning Salome wasn't necessary, an obvious leech koyofag and she's absolutely seething about the fact that Salome hit a million in two weeks while she barely hit 500k in the time frame she wanted and ended up sobbing and getting pity subs from itJP Kiara through and through
>>25661482>>25661528It's okay, most Hololive girls never even graduated college so you'll fit right in
>>25660730As long as Brave Group doesn't shit up Vspo with crypto and nft shilling, they'll remain the same
>>25661588It's easier to read and follow than whatever signs and symbols your schizo ass is seeing.
>>25661588too late
>>25661593She didn't mention Salome though, she made a joke obliquely referencing her since she's in the news today. Nobody except people already reading Koyori's tweets would even see it
>>25661608I can only hope they don't. That would really be the end of vtubers for me.
I have gone through the trouble of manually hiding every post that looks like a shitpost as the thread grows, and I only now realize there isn't a single post in this thread I haven't hidden. Good job. Keep up the hard work.
Well I gotta sleep now, bros. I promised myself to never visit /#/ because of how retarded it has been lately but the 1mil sub for salome made me have to check it out. May the seethers forever seethe and the ojouchads keep expanding.
>>25661593literally getting mad in your head and transfering that to her, you schizophrenic fuck, get help
>Google Trends schizo pretending it's the first time he's doing it
>>25661571she did, she didn't say her name directly but she did mention Salome
>>25659918* TWITCH TALLY OF 06-JUNE *> 15,804 : Jingburger (KR Isegye Idol)> 15,151 : Lilpa (KR Isegye Idol)> 14,016 : Jururu (KR Isegye Idol)> 13,095 : Kris Yim (EN Board of Trustees)> 12,229 : Ironmouse (EN VShojo)> 11,789 : Ironmouse (EN VShojo)> 10,658 : Veibae (EN VShojo)> 8,071 : Zentreya (EN VShojo)> 6,970 : Shylily (EN Indie)> 6,503 : Amelia Watson (EN Hololive)> 6,467 : Haruka Karibu (EN Indie)> 6,140 : zrush (CN Indie)> 5,509 : Roentgenium (KR Parable)> 5,025 : KendoMurft (EN Indie)> 4,910 : ZilverK (SP LA RATIZA)> 4,418 : Chihiro (JP Nijisanji)
How do we save ***a...
>>25661599Nobody mentioned hololive anonI guess with your brain being so large there's plenty of space for you to let them stay in there rent-free though
Do faggots think that “haha google trends isn’t that good” is a good gotcha or someshit and still held on that angle for numerous number threads?isn’t that shit hard data too? Is it because anything that shows nijisanji is in fact popular hampers the some of the delusions that fags conjure up about nijisanji?What have these threads turned to
>>25661660>JUNE 2022 TWITCH GOLD1) VIichan (Isegye Idol) - 15,498 - Vocaloid WC React, Naver catchup2) Gosegu (Isegye Idol) - 14,571 - VR Chat - tween model showcase3) Ine (Isegye Idol) - 14,343 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup4) Lilpa (Isegye Idol) - 16,556 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup5) Kris Yim (Board of Trustees) 19,915 - Black Mesa (Twitch main page)6) Jingburger (Isegye Idol) 15,804 - Voting in anime OST championship>PER COMPANY5x: Isegye Idol1x: Board of Trustees>PER STREAMER1x: Gosegu, Ine, Jingburger, Kris Yim, Lilpa, VIichan
>>25661559
>>25661559Just wait until Cover's anual report leaks so that we can compare it against AnyColor's. If there's anything that proves how dominant one is over the other, it's going to be that.
When did Hololive start to get more popular than Nijisanji in Japan?This video was made in October 2020 and Niji is clearly more popular.https://youtu.be/NxQjDcGZYcg
>>25661678compare using individual streamers name and see the difference.
>>25661678This is a holoboard so get used to it
>>25661637>>25661649She totally didn't mention itLike how haachama DIDN'T mention Salome here, right?https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1530384642314235905Holowhores leeching like they've always done, keep coping fags
>>25661678No, it's because google trends are a fucking jokeSeriously, stop being retarded and stop using google trends, or we'll keep laughing at you
EN3 doko?
This Nari Yang chick is just a better cuter Nyanners without the baggagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pknFoB2_2II> WELL ANONS!?
>>25661046Her numbers just make no sense to me especially put in the greater context of Nijisanji. Nijisanji is notorious for slow as fuck sub growth. One of the biggest talents in the company (Toya) just has like 600k subs after YEARS of activity. Mito, one of the icons of the industry hasn't even hit 1 million yet despite being active for over 4 years.It's baffling and there is no doubt that there is some numbers manipulation going on. Your post makes a lot of sense.
>>25661368Youtubejapan also sucks off Hololive a lot, what's your pointthere's even shit like this https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1486519339863973889 Holostars must be huge in japan too I guess
>>25661709quality company vs quantity companyyou can't compare one to one
>>25661730get help
>>25661712not anymore
>>25661709>>25661732So we’re also going to ignore the niji Twitter topic and the YouTube Japan clearly having favour with niji instead of holo too?What sort of shit do you faggots actually want? Are these number threads or dick measuring contests between holo and niji
>>25661751So you admit that Nijisanji isn't a quality company? Irrelevant. They still make less money, even on their 'home turf'
>>25661678>isn’t that shit hard data too?lol no. It gives you nothing. Unless you can explain the numbers behind the trend it's just a line, it means nothing.
>>25661751Nijisanji has both quantity and quality anon
>>25661742no
>>25661678No, I work in marketing, google trends is actually terrible in a lot of ways and especially for what that retard is trying to do with it (compare talent groups with huge numbers of members, with non-English names that have to be romanized, where a random subset of them are flagged as topics)
>deletedhuh, wonder which thread they got him in
>>25661695>Touhou gets more doujins than One Piece. This proves Touhou is more popular in Japan.>>25661697That wouldn't say anything about the state of the competition in Japan, would it?
>>25661778Huh? WhatThe cope lolWhat quality are you talking about? 3 view?
>>25661778Is that why barely anyone watches them?
>>25660237Being a good sport is being a leech according to nijinigger.Please dont measure holos with your standards.
>>25661773yeah I don't watch Niji. But they have a different strategy priority quantity over quality. At the end of the day, it's the total revenue that matters
>>256618002views never learn
>Hololive goes on a break>NijiEN worming, IPO announcement, Solo debut vtuber who reached 1M in under 20 days>VSPO was acquired and merged>Neo Porte is handled by Hal who's associated with TSM and CR>Vshojo to announce JP branch soonThoughts on the new #'s arc?
>>25661774We want you to acknowledge the facts and use real data
>>25660993tribalfag thread
>>25661832It's pretty interesting to say the least.
How did Salome avoid all he culls?
>>25661284>Niji is number 1 in JPAnon, this isn't 2019 anymore. Nijisanji hasn't been #1 since about the middle of 2020.
>>25661832outside solome the rest seems like a wet fart.
>>25660414Any examples??
>>25661707huh no one can answer this?Why didn't these people know about Hololive?
>>25661746Compared to the constant shilling that nijisanji gets? It’s not even a contest.If anything a good point of contention you retarded numberfaggots could’ve brought up was hololive cup noodle shit that one vid YouTube Japan did.That’s a good thing to use.
>>25661774That's just arbitrary favoritism from whatever intern runs those accounts anon, what does it have to do with numbers
>>25661774>Are these number threads or dick measuring contests between holo and nijiWe all know for a fact that Salome's performance wouldn't be nearly as controversial here if she was a Holo.
>>25661863dude it's 2020
>>25661802Are you really trying to imply that Koyori's wasn't leeching when she literally shills her own stream?I'll give you FBK and Matsuri, but Koyori too? No.
>>25661838All Hololives big hitters are on hiatus except Miko.1. Marine - Out2. Pekora - Out3. Miko - Still going 4. Suisei - Out
>>25661707This video is pretty fucking telling too yet fags here ignore it
>>25661795It might if we can get a income breakdown by region.
>>25661524Incredible the bots are making fanart too
Haachama delayed the anniversary stream to 9pm to not overlap Chloe's announcement. Considering Koyori and Lui also have announcements this week, are they really going to rush holoX 3D to have them do two debuts a week?Now Chammers getting overlapped by Kanata and Matsuri
>>25661832>>Hololive goes on a breakDid Hololive forge that businesses are supposed o be competitive. Their rivals didnt.>Thoughts on the new #'s arc?DONT SLEEP
>>25661852Actual bots don't get culled. Youtube's culling mechanism is so bad, it does exactly the opposite of what it's supposed to do
>>25661876it's October 2020 and Hololive was more popular than Niji at that time according to this guy >>25661853
>>25660577Kek look at this nigger goWhy are nijibronies so cartoonish?
>>2566138220k tweets? That's it? Gura gets more than that just by saying something dumb on stream, lol.
>>25661852Same way the chinks do. Now that I think about it, it does seem likely that the chinks are behind this
>>25661883All four of them barely hold a candle to Salome thoughHow does it feel knowing that you need to sum up the ccv of your 3 biggest holos to make up a single Salome?
>>25660862Damage control as always. Quite funny anyway.
>>25661894It's just a premiere
>>25661868So now it’s arbitrary favouritism? Fucking hell my sides.You could’ve used fucking sponserships as a counterpoint as hololive gets more high profile ones. Where the fuck did critical discussion go.
>>25661896One talent does not make a company.
>>25660821Youtube doesn't like bots retard, that's far too obvious.Their way of pushing something is more subtle. Recommendations. You know how certain VODs or certain videos just don't seem to go away from your recommended tab, despite how much you click "stop recommending me this shit"?Yeah. For every sane person that doesn't click it, there's 99 retards who do, in order to see what's the big deal.That's how they push something. Initially anyway. Once it crosses 1M, numbers beget numbers, and it will be much easier to spread it, especially to people who may not be interested in that type of content, but might be drawn in by big numbers. The "Youtube is run by Pajeets" narrative also serves to hide this very system.I mean really. They have the ability to detect and dictate what millions of people see, and you think they're just... not gonna use it?Do you seriously think that Hololive getting recommended all across the English speaking world right around the time everyone was staying home(Miko), and around the same time that a Black Dude was being worshipped as a Saint (Miko, again), was what - "just a coincidence"?So silly you folks are, not even able to connect the most basic facts in front of you.
>>25661883>allSubaru?Also doesn't really matter. The box has absorbed the viewership.
>>25661852One of the excuses can be that Youtube themselves are sending in bots to boost her popularity. It's all a big conspiracy. So long as the tribalfags can avoid facing the truth they will keep pushing their fantasies in order to extend their cope like it is their own lives they depend on.
>>25661897>Implying bots are all that's left subbed to everyone, Gura included.Would actually explain her deadsubs, kek.
>>25660390She's at least female, so it's plausible that at least some people do watch her. Her thread is also much more active than the normal Nijisanji JP thread ever was. Vox also does have unironic fans but they mostly stay in their own thread and do stuff like write erotic gay fanfiction.
>>25661852Vtuber fans get culled because they subscribed to 20 vtubers all at once and then try to use multiview to up their oshi's ccvTourist normies won't' get cullled because thye dont do any of that
>>25661707Yeah, clearly, the 20 people they interviewed and representative of the entire industry. Also, if you really want to go by that video as the be all and end all of popularity, I guess that means Kizuna Ai was more popular than both Niji and Holo in Oct. 2020. Yeah, that is a totally legit video.
Its not SEA primetime Why # become trash ?
>>25661894She didn't delay anything though, she was going to air it at that time since she put the frame upAlso for some reason haachama tweeted about chloe's announcement and said to make sure to check it out because it's exciting... She never really does this so I wonder what's up.And Kanata already tweeted that she won't be streaming and instead shilled haachama, along with miko and azki yesterday.As for Matsuri, she'll probably move her frame later like she did last time and even if she didn't I don't think it'll be inconsequential, although this board won't shut up about it
I wonder how chart anon feels about his charts being used to just bait 90% of the time... These threads get so much unimaginably worse during SEA hours.
>>25661707>October 2020Hololive overtook Nijisanji January 2021
>>25661971Fake anger over fake cringe. Fake hype about fake drama. Fake shock for fake drama. This is the dumbest shit you could do. Nothing but Empty arguments and samefagging.
>>25661981>She never really does this so I wonder what's up.She's returning to the box
>>25661967Kizuna definitely had a more popular brand than both Niji and Hololive
>>25661971>330 posts>64 unique posters
>>25661932You're talking about Twitter topics and trend categories - which are assigned by hand - and tweets from Youtube's PR account. These are both just whatever that company's social media intern feels like doingTo put this another way: Astel is the only vtuber to get a happy birthday tweet from Tenga, by that metric he must be the biggest vtuber on the planet
1 million 20 thousand omedetou
Salome 1.02M subs
>>25661709>Don't use google trends it shows you nothing and is useless and isn't true>Except when you input the keywords that put out something I like. Then it's 100% true and real
>>25661987>I wonder how chart anon feels about his charts being used to just bait 90% of the timeI suppose the feeling would be>at least it is well supported bait backed by data which is a big improvement over>streamer X is totally mogging streamer Y>no he isn't>yes he is
>>25661398>Salomekeks>knowing MitoThey’re JP chumbuds who dont even know that Salome is part of nijisanji. Nijifems should be fine. I hope
>>25662024Yes, actually. Stop coping retard
Go go Salome!
>>25661971Not enough bait in the catalog to draw them out
>>25661987Who's fault do you think it is? Since the literal creation of this thread, irs been about shitting on nijisanji, it got to the point where people use kobo for some reason to shit on vox, why are you people complaining now? I personally don't like shitposting and never did, I enjoy the threads in the dead hours after jp is done and before EN starts, but you people have no right tk complain after all the shit that you've done, you've even rinsed my fucking oshi for no reason whatsoever, why is there a Gen 1 schizo now? Why was there ever a Gen 5 schizo? Why do people use kobo to shitpost to thr point where all of her fans have become insufferable to me? And to many people too, a lot of people get turned off by her because of how her SEAnig fans act
>>25662024are being retarded on purpose?
>>25662039The saddest part is that people didn't even think about Mito and Kanae
>>25660948Does she stream in Korean or Japanese?
Saw someone posted it, the JOP literally make a list for Salome to conquer lol.
>>25661707Was this before or after Anycolor had to shamefully take down all their claims of being the world #1 vtuber agency?
>>25662039Already beat shion
>>25662024>>25662035No, google trends is just 100% useless for vtubers and similar nichesIt only works for big western-centric queries with a small number of terms where google have appropriately grouped things into topics, like if you want to compare interest in baby shark and justin bieber or something
>>25662039I'm so tired of you trend hopping faggots.
>>25662054>why is there a Gen 1 schizo nowThere isn't. There is a retard trying to get "internet clout" by becoming a pretend schizo
>>25662054No one cares about the opinions of someone who tolerates Nijisanji. You're either the enemy or you're an ally, and it looks like you're an enemy.
How is Salome a Gura killer when Gura herself is dead already
>25662039Almost like I can hear the barking.
>>25661314You can't even name ONE incident that Holofans caused with Nijisanji talents outside of this fucking site.The discord leak, Luca's retarded copyright music thing, all of this if done by Holos would cause them to get SWARMED by shitposters up to and including spamming their comments, dislike bombing, and sending them SCs about it.Holofans mostly just prefer to stay in their lane when possible.
>>25662085And you say it’s 10% useless for vtubers because you said so?You need something more convincing than that fucking cope anon.
>25662024So /jp/ is behind these shitposts?
>>25661922Pretty sure all of them have higher ccv peaks than Salome. iirc all 4 has 140k streams in their resumes. Not like it matters when there's foul play all around, Salome could schedule a karaoke and they'll boost her ass to beat Gura's karaoke peak or go above 140k to beat some biggest concerts. At the end of the stream, nijishills would say that's the best performance they've ever had when peak 120k gura sang 10+ songs that were actually good and mindbreaking for the scene at the time. All records are rendered useless now because of the suspected boosts that it becomes so tiring.
>>25662098Let us know when she gets to 4mil.
Sorry Kanae, the top perch is for those with wings only
>>25662061Of course not. Why should they care about Nijisanji?
>>25662085>>25662114oops I meant to say 100% but you get the idea
>>25662123>Care about sub *only*, one of the most vanity statsPfft
>>25662114Anon, like six people within a minute of each other jumped on your neck and laughed at you for pulling out Google Trends. Just accept the L and look for some real data to support your argument
>>25662113If anything it's more likely that Holofans doing that to Holomems more than Nijimems
>>25659918holoseethe>>25659940oh it's you kamitsubaki faggot, stop using the old copypasta you fucking idiot
>>25662063>Gura not on the listEven the Nijinigs know some walls are too high for them
So, just confirming, Salome has dethroned Gura as the fastest-to-1M VTuber, yes?
Why don't nips question her numbers or are we being fed nitpicked posts from 5ch?
I'm still salty about Patra being denied gold last time. What about today?>Patra lewdsonegai?
>>25662086>In numbers thread>So tired of numbers being posted?
Is that what /jp/ was like in 2020?
>>25662039Jesus this is so pathetic. As if the talents got axed just because another youtuber got more subs than them.
>>25662177Yes I guess
>>25661423so this is what triggers the holonigs in /#/ the hardest, huh...
>>25662177By a large margin
Hololive should start getting a new super star in case Pekora fucked up her throatIt's been like 3 years since gen 3 debuted right?
>>25662178Nips are a lot less bitter than /#/. Most of the posts questioning Salome's numbers /here/ aren't convincing either anyway
>>25662201If by trigger, you mean trigger lols, yeahIt's sometimes pulled out ironically as a joke, we all laugh at it
>>25662186no, even they weren't this mentally deranged
>>25662159What L, I’m talking about shit that we can use to gauge shit, the entire purpose of these threads.Are you meaning to tell me that hololyzer, something known to get shit wrong or a fucking company that got billions of users by the balls.Unless there’s something more reliable, please tell me
>>25662178no one is questioning her numbers5ch, twitter or YouTube
>>25661452So....Koyori is going all hipster 'I desuwa'd back before it became mainstream'? Still not a great look anon.
>>25662061Salomebuds dont know anyone from nijisanji
>>25662159>The other monkeys beat the shit out of you for trying to climb up the ladder and take the banana. Clearly you're in the wrong.
>>25662204Anon, there's no such thing as superstars that succeed on debut guarrenteed. Salome isn't a superstar, she's just some random Vtuber than because viral
>>25662210>Nips are a lot less bitter than /#/Tell me you know nothing about Japanese fans without explicitly telling me you know nothing about Japanese fans. Their schizos make the most insane people here seem like model citizens.
>>25662063>No kizuna ai>only holosDefinition of rentfree and small dog living on pagpag suddenly getting a good meal
>holobronies trying to push the narrative that salomefags are the same as chumbudsFucking wow
>>25660946well of course.New fans watch old VODs to catch up --> Old VODs have INSANE numbers.They don't need to watch new VODs as much, since they're "caught up" and will watch it live.
>>25662114It's common knowledge in the marketing field anon. I'm not going to write you an essay about itThe way they group terms into topics means you can't reliably use it to compare things unless they're something really huge (like election candidates). It's only useful for comparing interest in something to itself over time
>>25662063Can't wait to see how toxic is her fanbase will be
>>25662250Yeah, that is a massive insult to chumbuds to be compared to those trend hopping faggots.
>>25661368oh my god you don't even know the nijicopego do your reps before posting retardation, you absolute newfag
>>25662250You're not even actually a salomate, because if you were you'd know what she called her fans. You don't watch streams, you're just a bandwagoning shitflinger
>>25662236What's a superstar then?HoloX had like 160k people watching their numbers and after a week, they only had 30-40k left
>>25662227>what a funny coincidence, someone got popular using a joke that i also did a few months ago>you fucking leech, who do you think you arealso, "not a great look?" where do you come from
>>25662235Google trends is a black box. We have no actual data and no knowledge of what the line is actually representative of. Unless you can provide the actual data behind the graph it means nothing, it's just a line with nothing backing it up. It's not data, it's a meme.
>>25662237And yet they understand their own market and can see Salome's virality and don't doubt her numbers like the N99 retards here, really makes you think
Reminder that youtube knee capped ASMR chuubas for this.https://twitter.com/YouTube/status/1216450683588624384
Can Salome be the foundation for a new Nijibox? Like, Holobox is still too strong though.
>>25662288Yes, which is a reasonable level of success. Salome's success is so fucking retarded that /#/ consistently has bot rrats about her for exactly this reason, because she isn't talented enough to deserve it
>>25661064Anon.I am (You) now.
Why do symbolic numbers mind break numberfags? We could clearly see Salome reaching this point days ago, there's nitbi gparticularlt special about 1 mil even in nijisanji, yet holofags and nijifag alike are running amok here as if something insane was achieved out of nowhere
>>25662225>>25662210>no nips are questioning her numbersThis is not possible, at least give me their take on the situation because there's surely one or two of them being data analysts since they made numberfagging sites.
>>25661852Culls don't seem to be a thing anymore, as they didn't effect ID 3, Ridiculous, or Salome. We don't know if they're just gone forever or it only applies to MCNs. We'd need to see a reasonably popular vtuber debut outside of Holilive or Niji to test that. The last one was Miko Cat and she wasn't culled either.
>>25661832the japanese scene is so much more interesting than the EN scene...
>>25662323ok but how is she not a superstar?
>>25662300>The same retards who didn't understand CCVID was a thing until a week before it was fixed can't tell when a stream is bottedI belieb it. Japs are bad at numberfagging
>>25662321Hololive is still too strong. Nijisanji would need like 10 more Salomes to even begin competing with them in any meaningful way if we are being honest.
>>25662324LITERALLY NO ONE HERE GIVES A SHIT, NOT EVEN YOU
>>25662324>there's nitbi gparticularltU ok there anon?
>>25661965Why are tourists subscribing in unprecedentedly high numbers.Popular Niji members that have been active for years don't even have 1 million yet.This whole situation just doesn't make any sense.
>>25662323yeah talent = numbers, this is why avatar is the greatest movie ever made
>>25662179I don't think there are streams today that can beat this unless king started or something like that, don't see anything on the niji side as for the holo side, mio has a chance I guess? and maybe kobo?if patra had hit 25k though it'd be a guaranteed gold
>>25662324I will tell you a secret. They are shitposters who don't care for vtubing but care for numbers and shitting others
>>25661107Yeah I'm waiting for the buyers as well, since that will be public. Gonna be fun to see who was behind this, and whether they were baiting someone or selling out.The IPO is Tomorrow iirc?
>>25662061Except her surpassing mito has been mentioned all the time over the internet
>>25662358Chloe announcement should top it
>>25662321No. Salomes whole appeal is that she's a Hololike. Trying to send people to Hoshikawa, Gundou or the other Nijiwhores would be a disaster. There's a reason Salomes youtube page has zero mention of Nijisanji anywhere on it.
>>25662337I disagree. Japanese chuubas suck and the fact that the japanese viewers are willing to watch somebody like SaLAME shows me that they have no taste. Thank god for HoloEN.
Meanwhile mio is going for 1M endurance tonight kekSad day for holos, need some endurance to get them subs
>>25662335ID3 is culled
>>25662374I absolutely forgot about that even though I said a few posts back that it's chloe gold
>>25662372In that particular image, doofus
Alright I had my fun and I'm going to sleep. Probably made a few hundred posts today, enjoyed shitposting with you faggots. Don't seethe too hard, I've never watched Salome and never will, but this thread makes it way too easy to false flag.
>>25662338Because she isn't. She went viral because of some shitty stunt during her debut. Give it another week or two and she will be a sub 10k shitter.
>>25662355i know what you're trying to say but it actually is though
>>25662392>least retard holobrony
I'm loving the seethe. I waited 2 weeks for that and its been amazing.
>>25662375Niji beat Cover at their own game. Gotta love it
>>25662321Depends on whether her new fans, which supposedly are mostly tourists, would react well with the Niji chuubas. Remember that most go to her because of her kayfabe, which is not really done by most Niji and even Holo chuubas.
>>25662127>>oh no don't look nijiniger noooLuca can't passed 6k in 7 hr ae....he
>>25661198yeah yeah he "lost" but somehow is alive and well despite being public enemy no.1 and "losing power", after which most people who go against the system usually get a "heart attack" or a "car accident".Don't worry, Biden is still the "president" ;)
>>25662177She's probably one of the fastest channels to 1M besides people who were already celebrities like Jack Black, official media channels, or mercenary acquisitions with pre-existing fanbases like Ludwig, TattooMan, and DrDisrespect.
>>25662404>2 more weeksyou can't make this up
>>25662355You realize what thread you're in right anonThis is literally the containment general for people who watch charts instead of vtubers. The vtuber equivalent of getting hyped for the box office returns of Marvel movies
>>25662400Anon, there is no distinction between pretending to be a retard and actually being one. People will just wait you out and then resume conversation after you left
>>25661323Remember that one anon who was defending her mentioned MADs and Animations coming out just a day or two after her debut?Almost as if they were ready and waiting for her?Yeah.First wave hype is pushed like this with certain creators. The rest will "follow the herd" so to speak.
>>25662404Can I really believe that?
>>25662400pretending to be retarded makes you worse than actual retards
>>25662323Anon, since the dawn of popular streamers, not one of them became an instant virality straight through the gates. Her debut was underwhelming when compared to popular clips that made streamers popular as they are now. Ninja was popular because everyone liked his fortnite gameplays and wacky winning montage. xQc was an overwatch pro and he has retarded moments due to adhd that made him entertaining. Jun/hikakin were retarded, wacky and stupid that made the japanese love them after years. Now, all the nijifags here are telling me that she was entertaining enough just through kayfabe, language humor and a gastrocopy test to earn a 90k median through all of her re7 streams? Yeah, no, that's highly suspicious and up for questions/debate. Even more so when there's a clear motive (IPO) nearby.
>>25662413Imagine the state of these threads when she starts passing old guard Holos like Miko.
>>25661905And you know how Twitter "trends" have such tags with low viewcounts yeah? Totally legit stuff.Someone is pushing her, HARD. Someone with a lot of hold over both Youtube and Twitter. Exciting times.
>>25662186If every other vtuber was in Holo's current position and Salome was Hololive then yes. And people still think gatekeeping was the wrong answer.
Why did Salome get such a huge initial boost to views with no marketing or build up to her debut? It's very suspicious.
>>25662392That isn't "ID3 being culled". Viewer cull is on the viewer side, not the streamer. In that sense Salome is also "culled" because some of the people watching her won't show up, and we'll never know how many. She almost certainly will never do a poll because, well, you know. I assumed the guy talking about cull mean debut sub cull, which ID3 did not get.
>>25661398Mito is not even 900k so she's not really considered something to overcome, just a speed bump.
>>25662420Isn't it tiring to always pretend to be the victim?
Holy shit I feel so light headed playing RPG for 10 hours straightSo I see she did it huh? The thread seem calmer than I thought
>>25662465Report it to a regulating authority with the proof compiled in the previous threads. If they find Anycolor or Salome as foul play, then everyone can laugh at their fall. If nothing happens then nothing happens.
>>25662475Anon, based on current trajectory that's a foregone conclusion and I'll even be bolder: she might beat both Pekora and Marine to 2M.Actually her numbers are in such a trajectory now that what would ACTUALLY shake this thread would be if she slows down
>>25662480She says desu wa. You need a very high IQ to understand the popularity of Hyakumantenbara Salome
10k+ ccvYesterday>niji 2>hololive 13
>>25662179possible since all the big ones are taking break at the same fucking time againtonight's schedule is dead as fuck the only stream that can possibly break 20k would be Mio celebration>>25662374everyone already know what the announcement is it won't attract touristsjust look at gozaru's numbers before the funnel
>>25662499Nobody cared. The illusion of malding was nothing more than a couple of shitposters doing overtime and responding to each other over and over with cheap bait
>>25662478Yeah, it's clear that with the IPO announcement that Riku is out and Nijisanji has some big deal corporate big wigs running the show now. They are throwing around their influence hard right now.Honestly it just makes me want to root and support Hololive even harder than before. Fuck everything that is going on with Nijisanji right now. It all feels dirty.
>>25661559> Nijicope #11 Google trends (>>1787083 <span class="deadlink">>>1784574 >>2871777)</span>
>>25662505>she might beat both Pekora and Marine to 2MI think it's almost guaranteed with both of them on break and not coming back soon. Salome is also going to get a boost from hitting 1M and breaking records, you'll get a lot of tourists coming in.
Can't anyone here check out the quote tweets from Fubuki congratulating Salome.The whole thing is filled with many making fun of Fubuki right now it's not even funny anymore. That girl has enough harassment from the Chinese already.
>>25661987this is the thread culture you numberniggers cultivated. now that your tribe is getting its ass kicked you can't cry about it, so either cry about it or fuck off.
>>25662465>>25662480>Hmmmm, how can someone have [big number] when majority have [smaller number]? I am very smart
>>25662532Today primetime is going to be fun. Odd Salome will get more tourist today just to hear her talk about 1 Million
>>25662504This. Why don't bronies report this to YouTube or Niji investors?If your arguments are reasonable then they should take you seriously
>>25662544Nice try with your humblebrag zhang
>>25661778> #04 Nijisanji has SOUL/Quality (>>>/jp/31465719 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/35484805 >>>/jp/36325406)</span>
>>25662480The weirdness of being a solo debut that people thought was a joke explains some of it. How people who don't watch streamers or vtubers wandered into her debut is a little less clear.
It's actually hilarious watching the "people" in this thread who pinned their entire mental wellbeing for years on the vtuber company they watch having more viewers than their competitors get absolutely crushed.
Holoshills fear the google trends.
>>25662538Honestly I didn't saw this coming. Well at least that will spare them the Holo vs Holo battle, I don't want to see PekoMari of all people being pitched against each other
Shouldn't Cover just open up to big shot investors? Anykara did and they fucking incline.
>>25662582Why? Half of those posts are falseflags set by you, and the other half are flaseflags set by some other asshole
>>25662555For all the hype around Salome she's only just barely managed to make it past Miko twice and the rest of the Nijishitters are wallowing around below 10k.
>>25662186>Is that what /jp/ was like in 2020?No, for two reasons:1. Hololive slowly crept past Nijisanji in popularity. There was no need for shitposts or coping because it took years and everyone understood why it happened2. Nijisanji fans were seething about Hololive back when they were literal 2views for whatever reason, it wasn't even sour grapes from their growth that led to the tribalism
>>25662505I mean, people expected her to smash the time-to-1million record, yet look what's happening to the board now that it actually happened.
>>25662582See this >>25662516We are fine. Hololive is #1 by a long shot so we don't feel threatened at all. We are just wondering where these Salome faggots are coming from and if they are even real.
>>25662582based Watamenumberfag, they're even worst than the console warriors on /v/
>>25662599RetardSalome incline because of her own talents, not because of the investorIn fact they get investor because they are inclining, not the other way around
>>25661869not really, if Cover was going IPO, suddenly did an unprecedented solo debut that got insane numbers, holofags would be the first to call it out.
>>25662465you got to admit though, showing your own gastroscopy test for the whole world to see is quite unhinged I do get where you're coming from, but if the folks down at 5ch aren't even suspicious of her numbers then I guess we should just accept that she is an extraordinarily well-received VTuber in JP.
>>25662599No, that would be the quickest way to run the company into the ground. They already have investors, but being publicly traded is a bad idea unless people just want to cash out.
>>25662615So all of the hatred shown here is just them trying to get back at Hololive then?
>>25662620Of course they're not real, Salome is a fucking JP. No one here is Japanese, it's nothing but larpers jumping on a bandwagon because it's cool to be an asshole apparently.
>>25662054>all of her fans have become insufferable to meWell then the problem is within yourself. Only a handful of Kobo fans acts like that, they shit on here, catalog, ID general thread, and even their own /ehe~/Most of her fans or ID fans in general are okay but you choose to generalize and hates her before you even bother to check her.You're as pathetic as them, you have the potential to be like them once you found your own toy.
>>25662599>Should've Cover just let the chinks buy big slices of their company on the open marketAbsolutely not. Enjoy your vtubers being turned into CCP shills.
>>25662651>Liking and watching a vtuber is being an asshole nowWell shit, sorry man
>>25662620>Care about anything other than the topPfft
>>25662620I already do a survey post here and there's no unironic Salome fan herePeople here only care for her number
>>25662564Because they know their evidence isn't enough to prove anything. Anons on 5ch don't even believe she's botted. TW anons are laughing at people ITT and calling it all cope.If the evidence was really enough, someone, whether it be the anon's here, or on 5ch, or anywhere else, would have submitted it all to a regulator and they would have been the judge.Nothing has been submitted and if it has, no one has mentioned it.
>>25662644Anon, for the past years, streamers had done even weirder things than that, eventually getting them banned, clipped for history to see. That's the thing about 5ch, I don't get why they aren't questioning it. Do they live in a bubble or is their streamer scene that underdeveloped?
>>25662685You aren't a real salomate.
>>25662650No, it's just people shitposting for attention. There aren't many actual Niji JP fans and they mostly stay in their own threads. If Vshoujo suddenly started getting 50k viewers you'd find "Vshoujo fans" coming out of the woodwork everywhere to shitpost.
>>25662615No the reason is that was barely Nijifags on 4chan and general being general, you can't post about other companies without getting your posts deleted. Fans of the 2 companies may hate each other but generally there were not many big warsThe company war only got big when NijiEN was created
Looking at the streams right now, why is Kanae the only one having over 10k? Why didn't the new audience watch more Niji?
>>25662178Not a very "suspicious" culture in general.Same reason they buy whatever Nintendo sells even if it's dogshit from a customer perspective.They leave their laptops and shit lying around and there's an expectation that it'll be there when they get back.Perks of living in an actual first world country I guess.
>>25662544Any attempt to leech from Hololive should be mocked and treated with disdain
>>25662687You say as if Nijifag didn't make the same argument back then...
>>25662613funny that right after my post someone posted the perfect response to this cope >>25662556
>>25662615>Nijisanji fans were seething about Hololive back when they were literal 2views for whatever reasonoy vey we dindu nuffing, it's all their fault we wuz kicked out of 109 boards!
>>25662650Mostly yes. They've been shit on for so long and this is their first big opportunity to sink the boot in themselves. Saying "get back at" is a bit of a misnomer though since as >>25662615 pointed out Nijifags hated Hololive even back when Sora was trying to claw her way to 20k subs. They just attracted that kind of audience and the fact they've been a distant second for so long has really hurt their mental state.Keep in mind the most virulent Hololive antis are strong Nijisanji fans
What's gets me is that with all Salome posting is Mikos WWE arc getting 90k viewers is somehow going under the radar. It's fucking amazing for a chuuba that old to be getting that sort of number but no ones really talking much about it.
>>25662703I find it telling that you feel the need to discredit evidence with 'they're laughing at you on 5ch, you're so pathetic for thinking about things' as if that means shit to us
>>25662593This, this so much. It was kinda getting boring having Pekora and Marine dominating daily with the only things breaking the monotony being whichever other Holo had a 3D/announcement/hosted collab. Salome now presents a narrative of a looming dominating presence for the Holos to have to compete against that they haven't had in over two years.Maybe in a few months I'll be as tired with Salome domination as I am with Pekora and Marine currently but for now in the present, I am loving what Salome presents to the competition.
>>25662727And Niji suffered for a while. Now they have returned and taken back their throne
>>25662608>EVERYTHING IS A FALSEFLAGdo holobronies really?
>>25662705I don't see much point in proving that I watch her stuff be here you are anyway
>>25662743If your evidence is so convincing then why don't you sent them to YouTube or Niji investors then?
>>25662480The huge initial boost isnt really suspicious. Its keeping those numbers that make no sense.
>>25662744Well, maybe a little bit too big of a competitionBut I was mostly worried that people would use Marine to shit on Pekora or the other way around
>>25662039The total views are in line with their subs except for Ayame and Suisei kek.
Anyways, to finally clear the google trends stuff up. Because the anon calling it a black box triggered me, when it's no more of a black box than how Youtube calculates CCV.Topics = google combines all the search terms they feel are similar across languages.Search terms = Any searches that include the specific string.So the chart that google trends anon posted ONLY shows that more people specifically search using a string that includes "にじさんじ” more than "ホロライブ". Some people just use にじホロ, some people just use individual names, etc. You can compare the topic and search term for Nijisanji to see how useless the topic is. You can see it very clearly fromhttps://trends.google.com/trends/explore?gprop=youtube&q=%E3%81%AB%20%E3%81%98%20%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%20%E3%81%98,%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96,%E3%82%8B%E3%81%97%E3%81%82And because I know some people are going to go the extra mile to be morons, the number you see on the chart is the percentage of the maximum that ever appeared on the time range you select.
>>25662741Why? Salome can get 100k for RE7. Any number under 100k is worthless now, the floor for regular gaming streams is now set as 90k for all Vtubers.
>>25662650I doubt many of the old Niji tribalists from those days are still here. If they are they'll still be on /jp/, they wouldn't be seen dead on this board>>25662709Obviously the vtuber crowd on here was tiny back then, but they would seethe about people posting hololive in the vtuber general (note vtuber general, not niji general) even though talking about 774 or whoever was fine.If we're being honest I think they were just trying to ape the JP Niji fans' behavior because they desperately wanted to be Japanese
>>25662743Then do something with that evidence? I said it before, submit it to a relevant party like niji investors or YouTube and we will ALL see what happens.If you truly believe the evidence is conclusive in pointing out fraud, then show it to people that it matters to.
...oh man. Throughout my numberfagging days, most of the time numbers have correlated to quality. If something was good, it'd have numbers. If something didn't have numbers, it would usually be either not that good, or just "decent".For the first time I seem to be experiencing the disconnect between numbers and quality with this absolute kino of a song.
The big question is will Cover have anything in the future.Hololive Summer might be the biggest chance to take back the fame. Or releasing the alpha build of HoloEarth to the public might be good as well.
>>25662687>Care about anything other than the topI'll use a baseball exampleMike Trout is the best player in baseball and yet the team he is on (Angels) haven't made the playoffs in years and are currently in the midst of a 12 game losing stream. They suck because despite having the best player the rest of the team sucks, the front office sucks, and the coaches suck. Contrast this with the Tampa Bay Rays. They don't have a single superstar on the team, yet they have been one of the best teams over the last couple years. They even made it all the way to the World Series 2 years ago.Having a balanced team that compliments and supports each other is always going to beat out having a couple superstars trying to prop up a bunch of shitters.Mike Trout (Angels) = SalomeShohei Ohtani (Angels) = KuzuhaTampa Bay Rays = The Holobox
Which vtubers do you watch?http://poal.me/9tjjgqhttp://poal.me/9tjjgqhttp://poal.me/9tjjgq
>>25662615>>25662738we dindu nuffin, we wuz innocent. the nijiniggas jumped our crew first cuh
>>25662186Global and cumbuds were annoying but this is worse. Well at least this time they don't spam Holo's chat yet
>>25662764Trend Hopping faggot
So, just so we’re clear since I keep hearing niji niji niji in thread everytime salome does somethingHow many nijis have actually inclined in subs since her debut? How many have increased their views? ccv? Just curious. Because everytime she’s talked about it’s centralized around niji but I don’t even think niji has actually gained anything
>>25662823Don't bother, these shitposter won't listen to reasonJust let them have their time, it will at least spare the thread from the timeloop
>>25662823Let me use basketball to show how dumb you are.People care about Steph Curry, no one gives a shit about the rest of the Warriors. That's why they got big, because of Curry.
>>25662321Anon Salome doesn't even feel like she is part of Nijisanji. She is out of the box right now.
>>25662113>Holofans mostly just prefer to stay in their lane when possible.Until the Line crash with nijisanji, just look up false eye video about salome and read the comment selection from top to bottom and you Will always find that one comment trying to manipulator people to hating nijifan with so many like, even i as nijifan always see this and its honest sad that nijifan can't say anything good about their own vtuber without asshole getting trigger for a fact that, they celebrate for nijisanji and not hololive
>>25662846narihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVC4Dq9AEqY
>>25662808>>25662766Salome can get away with botting, why the fuck should I report it?I couldn't care less about whether or not Nijisanji is botting. I just hate people arguing without data, and decided to use data to shut them up
So...what would happen if Niji fans spam Mio's chat today? Would it happen?
>>25662796this is a holothread and numbers that make holos look bad are just black box/chink/bots/false data
>>25662843>You don't watch her!>*Show proof*>T-trend hopping faggotI don't what to say anon. I don't think it's my responsibility to apologize for liking something however. Hope you get over it soon.
>>25662813Sad...I'll give it a few listens as well anon. I don't watch Roboco much but I have similar feelings with regards to Mel.
>>25662800The Hololive fanbase at that time was already really big though.I mainly talked about the Hololive and Niji generals on /jp/. There was some hatred but both fanbase generally didn't really care about each other, especially on the numberfagging side, it's mostly holo-holo rather than holo-niji
>>25662156zzzz
By the way, anyone gonna comment on how Kanata completely changed her style of content now? Now she is pure coomerbaiting
>>25662863>Klay Thompson>Draymond Green>Andre Iguodala>FUCKING KEVIN DURANTYeah, you are dumb
>>25662873You aren't a nijifan lol, you're a bandwagon hopping trend follower
>>25662898>Would it happen?Likely not
>>25662898No.
>ホロは2019年末まではにじさんじと仲良くコラボしまくってたくせに>にじさんじより強くなった途端にコラボしなくなって>そんでサロメが現れてからはまた擦り寄ってくんの最低だよなNijibros please forgive us..
At this point, can we say Nijisanji has a bigger fanbase globally, or the court is still in Hololive's favor?
>>25662887Well that means your evidence isn't convincing enough then
>>25662930perish
>>25662898>3.5 years to get 1MWhat a failure
>Debut solo>Crush all numbers and numberfags>Break mainstream news>Acknowledged by senpais and rivals from other companies>Set new record> 1 million tweets is her introducing herself againThis arc is the best arc
>>25662899You are what you are. Liking popular new things basically outs you as nothing but a mindless shill
>>25661078>>25661237>>25662322Same poster btw. All me.
>>25662936I don't know. How is NijiEN?Because so far Salome only show us that they have a big JP fanbase
>>25662930kys
>>25662936still Hololive, Niji could be bigger in Japan but I'm not sure about that
>>25662936Niji is bigger ceiling for events but for daily streaming Hololive has a much larger footprint.
>>25662958They don't, it's all tourists and they're all just there for her
>>25662948And what if I continue enjoying her years beyond?
>>25662883>One single streamok anon
>>25662620She's being pushed on Japanese Youtube recommended, and does not go away.Every single one of her streams.There's a reason her audience is NEW for every single stream.And of course, no sub culls or spiky graphs.Question should be, why is Youtube pushing her? Who is behind her?Is she a coded message for something that's about to hit with the Japanese Royal Family or something?
The only thing that can make Salome bigger is having xQc react to her. I wonder what he would think since she is beating his viewership.
>>25662774Yeah, somehow keeping an extremely close CCV to debut is ridiculous. Keeping even 1/3 of your debut CCV is a huge accomplishment since only a handful could do that.There was no build up to her popularity, straight out the gate she kept it up.She also somehow brought in a whole bunch of people who don't watch other vtubers immediately on debut when no one else has done this. More than that though, all of these new people are subbing to her and only her.Why are these new people deciding to give her a sub when tourists are the least likely to do this?
>>25662615>>25662650>>25662709>>25662738You guys know that JP is archived right?>>/jp/thread/S186382151/300 posts being shitposts about x vtuber passing y vtuber in subs is not "hatred". The entire split started because fans of Hololive kept chatposting about streams and asking questions clearly showing they had 0 clue about Japanese.
>>25662615>>25662738lol.
>>25662976I'll believe you're a real fan when you're the only fan left. That's what you get for liking FotM
>>25662936? I mean, Salome's extremely popular that's true, but her popularity is quite heavily concentrated in JP currently.
>>25662936definitely nijisanji, HoloEN is only big in poor countries like the Philippines whereas nijiEN is popular in super powers like china and canada.
>>25662930Even nips figured that out...
>>25662823This is actually a fantastic post that explains the situation perfectly but most people here are too sissy to actually get sports so it will fly over their head.
>>25662986>Who is behind her?Youtube Japan
>>25662930They killed 27&JK and think they deserve a second chance.Actually shameless.
>>25662936Niji:>CN / TW>JP>KRHolo:>ID>Dying Western marketI'd say Niji win
>>25662971Holy cope. Is this still what Holofaggot think after the mogging Salome gave you all?
>>25663002Anon, that's a thread from before hololive gen 1 debuted. I don't disagree that everyone was cool when it was just Sora
>>25662930They're about as aware as you are.Which isn't good.
>>25662323I always hate this "talent" term, if people having number = talent, then some of nijisanji vtuber would be bigger that they are now, its always about luck and not about talent, if talking to chat = talent then vtuber would be bigger that 4m sub
>>25662824Yeah there's barely anyone in here, like 12 people probably 5 of which are just posting on cooldown.
>>25663025it will immediately stop working if you switch to basketball
>>25662936You have to be braindead to think Niji has the bigger fanbase globally. Gura has almost 4m subs. Many don't tune in to for streams, don't even watch vods, or are literal children, but that's still 4 million people that once upon a time decided to sub. There is no disputing that Holo has reached more people globally than Niji.
>>25663003a bit extreme but alright. How is anything allowed to exist if being liked when being new is a bad thing? Should people just not watch the first season of a tv show and wait until season because they are otherwise a "trend hopper"?
>>25662930> collabing with Niji usually resulted in nijifans spamming your chat or talking shit under your twitter tag.> niji and several other JP companies stopped Holo collabs after the chinkout to keep themselves save.> They are somehow blaming HOLO for thisNijiniggers are almost as worse as chinks.
>>25662936>>25663042Tourists.
>>25662936Where do these giant retards come fromHow can you even possibly conceive that niji is bigger globally? Hololive has the biggest EN vtubing scene by a mile, the biggest ID vtubing scene by a thousand miles, the biggest JP scene that nothing even compares to, and to top it off, a KR scene that while not the largest by any means, has garnished clips in the millions and has a fucking song sung by Gura that’s reached over a million views. How can you possibly think 1 person who’s fanbase is completely centralized in just Japan is somehow making a company the most global vtuber agency
>>25663042KEK. Holo chose wrong. Literally all the market that are worth nothing as far as ad revenue and merch sales are concern
To this day I still don’t understand the mindless hate between Niji and HoloIt’s all so dumb
Reminder: This is what Salome's 100k CCV is worth, compared to Vox's 10k and Chloe's 12k.Salome>9k Superchatshttps://playboard.co/en/video/9RUaxQXQzwcVox>15k Superchatshttps://playboard.co/en/video/PBb9YtkPBV0Chloe>14k Superchatshttps://playboard.co/en/video/wo-tD47me1o
>>25663002most of the flipniggers who post about "holofans getting bullied" don't realize it was newfags and eops getting bullied by oldfags.
>current stand Will today be a mythical sub 20k day?
>>25663087wait until season 2*
>>25663002>The entire split started because fans of Hololive kept chatposting about streams and asking questions clearly showing they had 0 clue about Japanese.Basically any /jp/sie reacting naturally to getting invaded by EOPs and newfags means that they only acted that way because they hated Hololive and love Nijisanji and not because they were /jp/sies getting invaded by EOPs and newfags. Or so /vt/ interprets it.
>>25662930Actually I am curious, why do Holo's have less collabs with Niji now? When did it start? Was it when they began to shift to having an idol group perspective?
>>25663087Only start liking things before or after they're popular, yes. Starting to like something at the peak of its popularity is the same as saying you're just there for the numbers
>>25663092>Nijiniggers are almost as worse as chinksAnon, Nijikeks ARE zhangs
>>25663097Who? Did these literal whos get to 1M in 2 weeks? No? Then they aren't worth shit
>matsuri will overlap haatobut I thought they made up? I understand it's a premiere but I'm sure festival will have some class to push it an hour later, right holobros?
It's so tiring lately, when there's a niji intern here deflecting all of the arguments with>Report it to YT or niji investorsSince they know we can't, and those guys won't listen to 4chan>Salome is popular in JapanWhen her numbers isn't funneled to other niji streams and that all the nijis aren't experiencing an influx or increase in subs and ccv despite salome bringing in a new audience. 4 years into the scene and only 2 4 year old vtuber reached 1M, then comes another vtuber who got to 1M in 14 days>5ch or TW sites aren't questioning it because they believe it is trueThe bot rrat was of course stupid, but her growth should be up for debate at the least. How many shills are there in every site to deflect any topics questioning her growth?
>>25663002yeah sure, just a coincidence that Holo OPs and even some holo posts were getting deleted in the leadup to the split.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxyU9RmlqyYNumber prediction for Chloe's karaoke plus announcement?
>>25663111Nah, Chloe's announcement will easily get that
>>25663092>collabing with Niji usually resulted in nijifans spamming your chat or talking shit under your twitter tagBased oldfag
>>25663111nope, chloe opened up to 7k peopleplus announcement buff, that's at least a 25k stram
>>25663111Where's KING when you need him? Apex clearly represents vtubers more than ASMR.
>>25663126it shifted when they started getting numbers and they abandoned old friends.
>>25663126I am always curious about that Pekora collab with the Himawari girlWhat exactly was it? I have seen a lot of people talked about it and how Pekora can save Himawari
>>25663100>>25663116
>>25663126>>25663128
>>25663100As in all cases, when 13% of posters commit 50% of the shitposting... you have to look at the common link.
>>25663126It started after the taiwan yab. Nijisanji is dependent on China so they stopped collabing with Holo so as to not piss off their Chinese masters.
>>25663102Who gives a shit about chump change SCs? If we assume sponsors pay $1 per ccv per hour, then someone like Salome would rake in $100k per hour
>>25662823Baseball, baseketball, football, and presumably soccer are all quite different. There's only so much 1 good player can do in baseball since their ability to interact on any given play depends on them either batting or being part of the active play area in the field. Pitchers are important but they don't even play every game. In basketball having 1 good player is immensely important since they can be involved constantly. Same with a good QB in football since they can be involved in upwards of 30% of plays.
>>25663148I'll only address this one.>They know we can't, and those guys won't listen to 4chanGive it to someone that has even minor influence then? Hell, give it to a dramatuber like Korekore who's big enough and can actually do something.Why can't you do anything with it? Seriously there are so many people you can possibly report it to.
>>25662917Lel, Nijisanji is more like current Mavs than Dubs
>>25663126>Was it when they began to shift to having an idol group perspective?Anon, the whole industry distanced from Holos after the chinkout, it became a “holo or china, pick one”.
>>25663126Because they can't leech off them anymore, as soon as Salome came along they showed their true colours again
>>25663111Isn't Salami streaming today?
>>25663126https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX9kuXL0ZhM
>>25663152Yes anon, clearly these schizos represent the best of the fanbases.>>/jp/?ghost=yes&search_op=all&search_int=dontcare&search_res=post&task=search2&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_del=dontcare&search_username=best%20of%20cute&offset=144
>>25663126hololive is jewish in nature like >>25663233 implied
>>25663206This is the most blatant bait (you) have ever written. Actually, just, fucking wow, this is a high level falseflag
>>25663237I don’t know honestly. I don’t even follow her schedule. Sometime her stream count for tomorrow, sometime for todayEither way she will get gold today or tomorrow, it’s 50/50
>>25663237Yes. Easy 200k with the 1M buff and EOP buff
>>25663126Retards will say it was the Taiwan yab, but there was already a decline in NijiHolo collabs after Holo started experiencing rapid growth because of Coco, Nigga, and Scatman.
>>25663208Because the data is unreliable due to the way YT works at the moment. We only have unique chats, but a viewers list like on twitch could easily prove the bot rrat easier.
>>25663207You still need good teammates even in the other sports. How many titles did Michael Jordan have until the Bulls decided to put a team around him? None. How many titles did Lebron have before he took his talents to South Beach and surrounded himself with a super team? None. How many Super Bowls does Aaron Rodgers have despite winning a million MVPs? Only one.
>>25663207>Baseball, Basketball, American Football, and presumably Footballfixed
>>25663273It wasn't jist nijiholo >>25663164
Ah so we also have collab beggar now? >Something is bad because they aren’t collating with other company
I'm actually interested in Vshoujo Japan. First in whether or not they get KSon and then in whether they try to stream mostly on twitch or youtube. I don't see any easy way to integrate it with regular Vshoujo, when Vshoujo itself isn't even very connected, and none of them speak Japanese.
>>25663273it's literally because there were more holos and in-house collabs are easier to setup and it's the explanation that's been given every timethat's it
>>25663208I don’t know exactly what you guys are talking about but KoreKore just recently received a guy claiming to be harassed by Holo girls, and his proof was literally the voices in his head. I don’t think going from “saw it on 4chan” to “saw it on KoreKore” would make any argument stronger
Can Riku save Luna, Matsuri and Robocco?
>>25663311that guy sounds like me
>>25663303No fucking way Kson join. She got out of a corpo once and you think she will just join another corpo?
>>25663316If save you mean harass and destroy their careers, no because Yagoo won't let it happen
>>25663246>Holo vs Niji is actually a proxy war between western jewery and sino jewery
>>25662918Kys bitch, i'm nijifan since Sasaki and Belmon romance arc!
>>25663273There was also a decline in Hololive stream time and internal collabs after Holo started experiencing rapid growthIt's because they were spending all their time doing vocal coaching, dance practice, recording, rehearsals, etc, so if they did have time to squeeze in a collab it would be whoever they could get with the least effort, usually a genmate
>>25663208The sad thing is they did listen to us during CCVID because this thread had it all worked out long before everyone else, but the quality of this place degraded so much over the past 5 months with now being spammed by baseless bot accusations that they'll never trust us again if these retards go away and we dig up a new trend (that's actually real)
>>25663316Lol noRiku got his own girls to save
>>25663129That's rather dumb, it seems. If you like something then the circumstances around it are secondary. You shouldn't have to avoid what you like because of appearance to others, especially those that have no part of your life. Whether you think I am a trend hopper or not is not going to make me lose any sleep but I am just curious of the argument you would present. I guess I will always in my lifetime be a trend hopper to you, anon.
>>25663311>LunaWhy would he want a traitor back?
>>25663316try saving the rest of your fucking company first
>>25663311That was merely an example, there are others that have a louder voice than "the voices of 4chan".
Nari is having the motherload of all inclines and all you fags care about is coping about salomes numbers.shes at 6.1k right now
>>25663325Vshoujo isn't much a corporation. You own your own assets and keep your own earnings. I'm not sure they'll do that on the JP side though, since they're not indebted to investors and need to make more income. They might just debut a whole wave/gen of traditional vtubers which they own the complete rights to.
>>25663316cover is a black company, look at the discrepancy between roboco and Pekora and you'll see that the company just eats up each others viewership. nijisanji in the other hand has everyone watching 3D streams.
>>25663316matsuri should graduate along with her shitty gen members
>>25663237Yes but she will count for tomorrow unless she starts early (which is very possible today)
>>25663206
>>25662981Come on now, the jap just found her
>>25663352This is wrong, We have quite a lot of data, and we can get more. The problem with Salome and the bot rrat is that we literally have only had a week to build up evidence. If we had like a month to work out the data we could probably prove it true.
>>25663382get better bait retard
>>25663376Either way I can’t see Kson joining it. What kind of benefit would they bring to her? She is already pretty stable and I can’t imagine joining Vshojo would boost her much
No big event tonight?
>>25663371stop shilling her in this thread, go back to your thread you retard. she doesn't deserve these numberniggers
>>25663325Vshojo is basically outsourced management and merchandising for indies, which I'm sure she's already done like literally every streamer with an audience that size
>>25663316>LunaLmao
>>25663316>LunaKek
>>25663371I asked earlier if she streamed in Japanese or Korean and did not get an answer. If she's streaming in Korean, on youtube, and getting that number it's impressive. Less impressive if it's twitch. Completely irrelevant if she's streaming in Japanese. It's good for her personally, but has no real meaning or implications beyond that.
>>25663418Big events today are Chloe announcement, haachama anniversary (but it's a premiere so it won't count) and mio 1M enduranceOf course there's also Salome's first stream after hitting 1M but that will be after midnight
>>25663418There’s SalomeAt this point not like any big event gonna beat Salome. It’s insane, it’s like her number just adjusted itself to specifically beat all big events
>>25663407The real question is, are you going to do anything with it? Or give it to someone that can do something with it? Or is it going to just rot here forever?As long as nothing is being done, it will continue to be called cope, especially because people like to tout that this is a hololive board and these are hololive threads.And no, I'm not dismissing said evidence, I just want something to be done with it once it's all compiled.
>>25663418salome(maybe), haachama (premiere sadly), mio and chloe
>>25663418Me and my friends are going to sacrifice an animal at an altar to speed up Pekora's return.
>>25663309We even had Tamaki literally say on stream that he'd still do more holo collabs but the scheduling is just too difficult with how busy they are now
The chinks at NGA must be laughing right now seeing tha state of Hololive
>>25663316>Lunalol>RobocoHer number is higher than half of Riku's roster>MatsuriYou can take her
>>25663496Today mark the 30th day since Pekora officially announce her breakI only know this cause there’s a bunch of nousagi drawing comic everyday until her return. Man I love being in the same fanbase as these people
NOOOOOOOOOO! MY PATRA GOLD!
>>25663102https://playboard.co/en/video/PhGYWJOgDXs>771 peak CCV, $5.4k SCHmmm it's almost as if those two stats don't correlate
Is there any tribalism between Asmongold, XQC and Ibai?
>>25663549patra will probably get bronze anon so you're free to post wonderful patra lewds if you want
>>25663431it's japanese and the stream involves drawing all the nijisanji membersshe already had one of these "inclines" before and returned below 1k
>>25663565
>>25663565Yes, face streamers on twitch have tribalism, and much like here it's a lot of people posting bait and memes and a handful of schizos who take it seriously
>Check Salome's sub count>It's now at 1.02mDid JPs unironically shout "ACCELERATE" in unison now? It's going even faster.
>>25663352The bot rrat started because Luxiem was having strange graphs starting April then it went on for weeks, it was no coincidence after that when they didn't even experience it before April. People speculated it to be farms from chink fujos, then even nijiJP got hit by the worm and most of the streams hit by the worms were clearly intentional or targeted e.g Sponsored streams, big 3D events etc. The rrat started because it was highly possible that the fujos were boosting luxiem, but then it evolved after anycolor announced IPO and nijiJP getting boosted by the worm too and now Salome with her unusual growth. What Gura did was getting new viewers to check and sub other Holo members too. Holos were getting 1M sub members every month till july of 2021. For Salome, the new JP audience that she brought didn't even sub to other niji members, nor are they increasing their CCVs. All Holos post-Myth had substantial growths that made the likes of Subaru, Suisei, Rushia etc top stringers for vtubers.
What was the CCV for Luca's stream? For some reason it's on my twitter trending but no one is discussing it here. I checked the VOD and it's like...100k for 6 hours. Kind of w/e. Why do mediocre things like that even hit trending, just because it's vtuber-related and I follow a lot of vtubers? I constantly get shit from Niji En males even though I don't follow a single one of them, or even any of the girls (had to unfollow Pomu/Ollie because it kept linking me to shit like Vshojo)
>>25663352Difference is that CCVID was quite immediately visible.Salome does not have "bots" but her viewer count is still suspicious a f.And Youtube isn't really culling her, so the only data we have is speculation, and the question of "why?".Which will most likely be answered by a combination of 3 things -1. Who becomes the majority shareholder once the IPO starts.2. Whether Niji stocks rise or crash a few days after the IPO.3. When something relating to the Japanese royal family comes out.
>>25663592Big numbers lead to bigger numbers
>>25663553Actually, they do. Salome's audience is extremely low engagement. Your link has extremely high relative engagement. The point was that her audience was basically worthless and in terms of actual value was paperthin
>>25663565Probably the same people watch the first two and the third guy is a mexican or something so it's entirely different people that speak taco.
https://youtu.be/lIdXGI2jSG8RED LAMY ALERT
>>25663245Not gonna address the OP getting deleted I guess.Thought as much.
>>25663590Holy fuck. I'm saving that, this shit should be the thread OP
https://twitter.com/un4v5s8bgsvk9xp/status/1534007690053099520?s=21&t=vMprqA49vJViubnIDMkQIQHe really do be posting barely finished storyboard and get 6 digits like
>>25663592Basically the whole nation is pushing her.It's way different situation compare to Kizuna Ai or Gura.
>>25663627Who cares about low engagement since she has the biggest viewership.Nijisanji is still at the top
>>25663608>1. Who becomes the majority shareholder once the IPO starts.Last I heard they're not even selling all the shares and Riku with his 50%+ shares will be the one true owner no matter what.
>>25663273Well yes, nijiniggers pretending to be holofans were attacking Aqua, Coco and several other top Holos at the time for various things, including the whole Abadango issue.To this day people still think it was Aqua's own fanbase that was attacking her when it was nijiniggers pretending.Same types who anti Chihiro btw, pretending to be her fan and shitting on other chuubas.
What's a good mobile game genre if Cover and Nijis decides to make one? A non comp story mode gacha game like Arknights/FGO, a competitive game like princess connect/shadowverse?
>>25663565I have never seen any actual tribalism between them. It all sound like joke>”L + You fell off + no one care + the hood watch Hassan now”>”Make better contents or I watch AsmonGOLD”
>>25663663Go to the streamer board with that.
>>25663706Rythm game
>>25663303>First in whether or not they get KSonthis is honestly the dumbest rrat I've ever seen on this board. even worst than schizo rrats.
>>25663407WHATFUCKINGDATAPost it then you fucking nigger, all you have is that one chat chart that doesn't say what you think it says then it's back to baseless shit like she doesn't funnel (at 1am) and number big therefore bots
This Chad keep drawing SalomeI love it!!
Another dayAnother mindbroken holobronies
>>25663725xQc is a Vtuber.
>>25662687OkNijisanji -kanae kuzuha salome / aliveNijisanji 200+ / dead Anycolor have 3 Vtuber member
>>25663685Yeah even YouTube Japan support herIt’s insane how this new Vtuber show up and gained the support of EVERYBODYMaybe having a mysterious background prevent her from having anti
>>25663703I feel like Anykara is the only smart company in the business. People here shit on IPO too much without knowing that money will create a better vtubing environment.
>>25663316Riku didn't save Luna for the two years she was with them, and she's getting some of her favorite sponsorships from Holo.You're retarded.
>>25663706Just a normal gacha game with some light combat elements.
>>25663685>Basically the whole nation is pushing her.China and their hate towards Hololive is second to none. Did A-Soul imploding made them angry and target Hololive because they were reminded that they left them?
>sub 1k waiting for haachamaactuak fucking flop
>>25663549Just post Patra lewds later. I’ll just be sad that Qpi will never be officially lewded in this thread
>>25663748He used to draw Hololive btw.
>>25662873Jesus man
>>25663765No shit it’s run by a young talented CEO who is a businessman through and throughEveryone acknowledge that
Anyone able to provide a QRD on what has happened to Flare of late? Her growth has become abysmal even compared to the other sickly members of HoloJP>Past 90 days>Flare 17k >Roboco 19k>Aki 24k>Mel 28k>Luna 29k>Choco 29k>Sora 33kI know she has long been the perennial loser of Gen3 but I don't remember her stagnating this badly when compared to her fellow low tiers.
>>25663549Just post the lewds. Salome already mindbroke that tradition anyways.
>>25663779Why is she doing it as a premier rather than live?
>>25663796I've noticed some Holo clipper channels switching over to being Salome clippers of late...
Chloe 25k!!
>>25663824>retarded whore does retarded things color me surprised!!this will be a sub 20k anniversary for the first time
>>25663814Then what does it make Yagoo?
>>25663703> 50%any sauce on this?Last I heard his share was 43%
>>25663706They are hell bent on creating a multiverse kind of world building so I would want them to go full VN like FGOFGO have been pushing the quality of their storytelling lately
https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1534132956306231296>bought KU-100>Susan banned ASMRKek
>>25663843Anon, some of the biggest clippers on YT are Holo clippers. Unless big channels like Sushi or Rizulix start doing Salome clip, no small channel would care.
>>25663846Kobo mogged
>>25663851I nice guy who want to hang around with his talentsYagoo being the test subject for Holo merch will never not be funny
>>25663796>>25663843>The exact same posts just replacing Luxiem with SalomeI hate you faggots so much
>>25663815I'm guessing Rushia's graduation and Pekora and Marine's breaks has kind of destroyed the outer halo of people who might become interested in Flare by proxy. Supposedly she's not even collabing with Noel much anymore. Her biggest spotlight is some group collabs and that's it.
Niji should play it smart, treat Salome as a new box and debut/internal-reincarnate/hire 11 other vtubers themed after constellations. once a month. Salome is scorpio btw.
>>25663873wait, ASMR is banned on youtube now? Since when?
>>25663873>>25663904loli ASMR is banned
Stinky gold then I guess but man is a probable sub-30k one going to feel out of place this month
>>25663851Not young for sure.
>>25663765>>25663814Their business model is literally being the Uber/Airbnb/etc of vtubersThis is a recipe for making a lot of money without a lot of effort, but it's also shitty and exploitative and the company basically leeches off the successes while doing nothing to help the flops
>>25663901I mean Shiraken was thriving…
>>25663815Sub purgesGeneral lack of interest in subbingIt’s not uncommon. Take a look at Nene’s growth and see the same thing. Pretty much everyone gets sub culled and it just happens to be that the ones who get middling growth in the first case can’t supplement the subs they lose. And the ones you listed never had a lot of subs to begin with so any push (choco with her 10 million collabs, sora with her birthday) is clearly gonna do more than someone in both a rut and having never been a standout for growth in the first place
>>25663908well a certain retard decided to make her anniversary a premiere kek, chammers why?!
>>25663796>>25663843> this rrat againsome things never change
>>25663846>Chloe 1/4 salome!!
>>25663937>haachama she's not getting over 20k anon
>>25663869I still think Council lore was such a half-assed attempt of being chuuni. Give a skilled writer that setting and he would make a whole novel out of it
>>25663914Anon, the communist-lite practice from Hololive is not going to get big money.It will encourage complacency when everyone is getting the pie.Nijisaji is unironically creating a competitive environment that will force people to innovate.
good numbers discussion, really productive and insightfuldon't ever let this thread trick you into thinking that's anything but a dump
>>256638461 gold
>>25663907Thats hilarious. I know ASMR is a already an easy way to get demonetized,so she really fucked up.
>>25663815Not the place for this but she was too much of a bitch in public and has been backtracking since
>>25663970Both have their pros and consI will say no more
>>25663868https://ipokabu.net/ipo/5032You would be correct, but just as a disclaimer, irl hostile takeovers aren't like silicon valley. Especially when he's not just CEO but still majority shareholder.
>>25663988Hololive feels like a dumpster fire these days.
>>25664020So does my dick after fucking your mum
>>25663970Don't know about you, but they'd still be getting more money than anycolor through that strategy and everyone has a nice job security at that.
>>25664020>>25664020Hololive died with Sankisei death
>>25664020why are you talking about your feelings
Hololive needs something big right now. Maybe the return of Holo Summer will do.
>>25663970What they're creating is the same competitive environment that existed anyway, except a company with millions of dollars of funding has inserted itself between the participants and the government to collect extra taxes
/#/ - Fanfiction General
>>25663970Yes, a competitive enviroment where the talents fight over scraps, many of them quit or have enemies within the company, and most of them eventually leave to do their own thing or join the competition using their experience. Your company is a Black Company
>>25663868>>25664008He owns around that much himself, yeah, but he also owns Skyland Ventures, which owns a further 7% which puts him at just about 50% when combined.
>>25663916Shiraken is on break until Suisei is back from her break. Should be in a week.
>>25663988qrd?
>>25664020Where do you faggots come from?
>>25664080So more money for them to invest in more vtubers. I don't see the wrong thing in that.Investors probably choose Anykara over Cover since Anyakar is much safer at this point.
>>25664073Hololive doesn't need shit. They're still wildly successful and more profitable than Nijisanji, this shit hasn't changed anything. Only the delusional faggots in /#/ thinks Gold means anything since Salome's fans aren't paying customers
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1534132853671628800sorry anons but kino is starting in 20 minutes, and honestly seeing the state of this thread right now, I'm just going to go and enjoy the stream regardless I'd advise you do the same
>>25664130considering that anykara constantly comes up with new shit and try to breakout of the vtuber niche which they've been doing great regardless, it's obvious why you want to invest in them.
>>25664112https://youtu.be/ppOu2U4SByQ?t=68It's literally when the stagnation began
>>25664132YOOOOO this is the kind of number I care aboutHow come no one ever done this?
>>25664130>Anykara over Cover since Anyakar is much safer at this pointBaffling post
>>25664116from here, half this thread is larpers starved of attention, what, you thought playing amateur entertainment manager was going to attract people with good brains or something
>>25664073Hololive Summer will never happen again anon. If it does, Cover would have to stream it on some other website since Susan will strike it for "sexual content" and it would only be limited to JP, which means they would lose a lot of EN and ID viewers. Plus they would have to make new 3D models for gens 3, 4 and 5, which is going to be expensive and Cover is pouring a lot of financial resources into too many projects, which is already a red flag
>>25664139until we get recent data from both companies as well as if and when cover opens their own IPO.it's nothing but speculation for the most part.
>>25664046Hololive died when Coco left.
>>25664182>Cover is pouring a lot of financial resources into too many projects, which is already a red flagplease stop trying to talk about things you don't understand
Wow this thread really go full /biz/ now
>>25664163would you rather have a company that constantly tries to innovate or one that still sticks to their popular but otaku niche?
>>25664182What the fuck do you think they're spending money on? No, I mean it, what in your peabrain is the rrat for what you think Cover is spending their millions in liquid cash on?
>>25664088>he also owns Skyland Ventures>https://skyland.vc/I don't see Riku
Goods Hololive Talent rich , Talent sell goods and get profit to VtuberNijisanji Company rich , Company sell goods and get profit to CEOsuperchatholomem received 50-60% from COCO (Before cut tax)>Talent rich Nijimem received 15-20% from Anycolor is paying a percentage of every stream for live2d licensing costs (Before cut tax)>Anycolor rich
30k
CHLOE 30K GET
>>256642103 or 4 retards shitposting on cooldown
>>25664163Don’t tell him that investors can invest in more than 1 company
i love that one of the threads is going cover is stagnant and is not trying anything while the other is cover is wasting too much money on too many thingsthe absolute fucking state of this thread
>>25664219I haven't since one single innovation from Anycolor in the past year other than them letting someone like Vox run free
>>25664257>The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”Remind me of this
>>25661660Oh amelia actually dusted off her twitch account for a random stream
>>25664219Anykara is literally exploding with controversy every other month, it constantly has talent leaving and bad mouthing it, it is always flagging in terms of numbers, it's extremely top heavy and always pushing out new talents who cannibalize the each other further, and it's always trying new stupid shit to fuck themselves over again.What about that is safe?
>>25664073>Maybe the return of Holo Summer will do.Unless they plan to stream 3D swimsuits everyday, that won't help much. They have 3 choices1. steal some of those 100k JP salome tourists by debuting JP7 (unlikely), or existing JPs returning to stream and attracting more tourists (like what Miko did)2. EN3 gets 100k new western tourists3. StarsEN becomes the new FOTM, getting fujos from all over the world to watch them
>>25663970>It will encourage complacencyThe company doesn't provide EVERYTHING you retard. Just enough to cover your expenses and put out the occasional song or some other form of content.Their system is set up such that the talents themselves have to put in money if it exceeds the company budget (big projects, big merch etc.) but in return they get to keep a bigger cut of those items.So if you want something bigger than usual, you'll have to pay for it.Anycolor doesn't even provide a salary, and you can bet that for the generic merch with zero talent input, they will get maybe 30% max as revenue.
did this bitch just cocktease everyone with a 3d announcement to show off new avatar emotes, kinda based desu
>>25664229What is this ESL gibberish? Both companies have the same compensation structure except for Hololive's base salary.
>>25664257No wonder why no one here is a CEO>Company not worth investing in because they are the 2nd on the market>People only invest in the tip top company
>>25663273Actually that started with Gen 3 already. Marine had her share of outside collabs but compared to previous generations they stood out as being super insular.
>>25664328They won't be here if they are CEO level rich
>>2566431710%~15% cut for the Vtuber on Nijisanji side. 50% iirc for the Cover side?
>>25664328>No wonder why no one here is a CEOmost of the people here can't even do basic math operations properly
>>25663988>>25664020
>>25664257They're not wasting the money if it produces results. HoloError tickets were sold out. HoloAlt had a grand reception. HoloEarth is showing progress, made a stress test for server a few months ago then opened up a recruitment for a server engineer recently.
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>>25664088He doesn't own it himself, but they provided the capital in his angel investing round so clearly he has an uncle or someone he can rely on there.
They're really rushing holoX 3D huh?
>>25664388OH SHIT SEGGGGSSS
I WILL HAVE SEX WITH THE 3D ORCA
>>25664404Not really. Gokisei's was faster.
They used to space out the 3D debuts 1 week
>>25664404nope. literally coming at about the usual time. even slightly slower than gen5 was
>>25664404>rushingthey waited longer than the previous 2 gens
>>25664073I don't really think they "need to do" anything, their model is working completely fine.Any audience that they lost to Salome is already getting filtered by nijinigger behavior and just coming back into the comfort of the box.HoloSummer is definitely being teased a lot though, but I guess the question is how do they make it actual content, other than just the members running around in Swimsuits.
>>25664229>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OWHHarj0WngPoor ceo his salary is lower than coco lol
>>25664327It's not exactly a secret that Niji plays favorites with events and merchIf you're not a breakout superstar you'll get a 3D debut where you stand in an empty room talking for an hour and some voice packs and that's thatIf you put up big numbers they'll drag you to a concert to sing over some hired dancers even if you just want to sit at home playing 10 hours of apex
>>25664404not really, its about the same amount of time Gen 5 (sans Nene) got theirs. In fact, its probably a little late if anything.
>>25664388>Getsu fucking youbi are you shitting me!? at this point they are just rushing the 3D debuts too hard.
>>25664073Hololive is completely fine. Only problem right now is that video game production is worse than its ever been and the best current gen console is the Switch.>>25664373Don't respond to me with that shit repetitive joke you fat fuck.
>>25664328Which is why everything that gets posted here should be taken with TWO HEAPING JARFULLS of salt, cause there's an awful fuckton of shitposting.
>>25664451>other than just the members running around in Swimsuits.that's enough for me
Cute slither girl with blue hair kuchisaki nerohttps://www.youtube.com/wnan24atch?v=swrRXnTg_B0
>>25664404I can see some big live like Bloom happen in the second half of the year
>>25664404Literally slower than gokisei
>>25664132o shitis this from some official site? or did they make the holodule public?
>>25664404Around the same time it took for gen 5 to get their 3D, so no. 3D is more or less an obligation for all JP holos due to the amount of 3D lives every month.
Just block Salome's channel on your youtube feed and filter her name in this thread. It's not that hard.
>>25664404HoloJP needs all the help they can get to remain relevant during Salome's reign
>>25664404>rushingmain talent doesnt need to succeed sidebranch talents
>>25664432>>25664439>>25664441.>>25664461I meant it in the sense that they're doing multiple debuts a week, with previous gens they only did one a weekAlso>Iroha debut on a day where Salome won't have an entry on the tally>Chloe debut on a day where Salome will probably not have an entry on the tally
>>25664492holoseethe
>>25664492I've never got any of her streams recommended to me. Only thing I got was that burger short.
>>25664360> 50% iirc for the Cover side?Only for company provided stuff with ZERO talent input.Their profit sharing is based on the percentage of talent investment. If talent funded 80% of something, they get 80% of the profits.> 10%~15% cut for the Vtuber on Nijisanji side.Source : Your ass.
>>25664492You could also chop off your dick, but why would you do that, faggot?
>>25664489This is from the English hololive fan wiki
>>25664328anon you're in a thread whose most activity centers around the imaginary prestige of having their company's vtuber get the highest CCV for the day
>>25664520Iroha's and Chloe's will be on different weeks though?
>>25664492Based
Chloe 3D won't fight against Salome because she streams at 23:00 Sunday and 0:00 Tuesday...right?
>>25664520they don't care about the fake medal anon
>>25664404Emergency 3D debut. Salome is just too strong
>>25664492Why should I do that? I don't hate the girl. I hate shitposters who using her for shitpost
Reminder:>Salome truly brought a HUGE audience for herself and herself alone.Here is a before and after>00:01 JST :: 355576 combined CCV>00:06 JST :: 262916 combined CCVNo funnel anywhere.
>>25664569I know but it's a funny coincidence
>>25664549Baffling post
>>25664388Theyre pretty close
>>25664580>emergencythey waited longer than previous gens
>>25664588>what happened to miko's 98k peak? where did the 30k went? why is her ccv at 66k right now?It spread mostly inside the box itself.Here is for Holo only, on the span in a full hour since Miko's peak>22:45 JST :: 153736 combined CCV>23:45 JST :: 150723 combined CCV
>>25664588Nijisanji doesnt have a box
>>25664586Well I hate her and will never watch her and I hate the shit posters. Knocking out two birds with one stone.
>>25664580It's because of Holo Summer on July
you know, I didn't care about Salome being the fastest growing vtuber in the history of the industry or having unreal CCV since in the end it means that my oshi will have more potential market for her music, but looking at the behavior of nijiniggers /here/ and on Twitter, I wish nothing but death to Salome and her fans
>>25664588streams after midnight don't funnel retard
>>25664565There's like three days of difference. And Lui and Koyori are also doing big announcements for this week. Lui's is during a birthday stream so it's probably not 3D yet though, however Koyori's is likely a 3D announcement for next weekend
>>25664404Gen 5 got it faster so they're actually behindthey should have release those in GW so the last few 3D doesn't need to be picture frames....
gura was my oshi but not anymoresalome is my oshi now. i am going to learn japanese for her.
>>25664657but they do, we literally have a name for streamers that rely on past midnight funnels, it's called the garbage collector strategy
>>25664657It's well documented that everyone in Japan has an extremely strict bedtime that coincidentally moves forward or backward an hour in sync with Salome's stream schedule
>>25663450It's not a premiere.
>>25664657Miko's stream disagrees. The stream watchers move to watch other streams, the overall number doesn't decrease much. With Salome, they disappear into thin air
>>25664674I believe the reason gen 5 got it faster because Bloom
>>25664675Based
BIG
>>25664652Butt hurt much?
>>25664542Source for that 80%?
>>25664675I guess T-series is my oshi.
Shut up niggers Haachama is starting.
>>25664586Any Niji content appearing on my feed is an instant channel block.>I don't hate the girlBaffling outlook. Nijisanji is an environment that has created the most toxic fans imaginable their accelerate business model has been a massive negative on the entire industry. I hate anybody who actively enables Nijisanji and if you are willingly working for them than you are enabling all the bullshit that goes with it. If you do that than I hate you.
>>25664675Leech
>>25664317>>Anycolor https://youtu.be/u2fGW5Lt9jw>>Hololivehttps://youtu.be/KwYsDj3SASw
>>25664710so they are doing reverse debut order?, next would be koyo's and her schedule has her making the date announcement on friday
>>25664733>>25664733Pewd is my oshiUnironically I literally grew up watching him
>PREMIEREHAACHAMA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Here's a topic away from IPO scam/Sal*me/Holo reclining timeloops,Compared side by side, why does Holo 3D model for their thumbnails looks more polished/consistent than Nijis? To me, I find them more anime-like recently, thinking that they've improved their 3D after testing it with stars.
>>25664675why are you in this small niche if you behave like this, go watch mr beast or something
I don't mind if Cover blows millions on HoloEarth or whatever, but I wish they shelled out to have more and better shorts made
>>25664713no, I didn't care, but now I do. congratulations, tribalfags, you made me jump over the fence. I hope each one of (You) kills himself
>25664746holy mental illness
>>25664793It's been like that for a while
>>25664350in her first year marine collabbed with natori, ran, haneru, patra, rion, tamaki, nobuhime, ui, nekomiya, nana, meari, lize, mishiro, ange, and more, and way more if you include bigger group collabs and interactions in smaller capacitiesmore recently though the only new collabs have basically just been warabe and coromin (formerly corona), but warabe was the editor on ahoy and unison so they've been working together forever anyway, and I guess there was also the group collab with mito and honhimaLooking at what happened to Marine's gaibu collab rate is a great way to see how much more insular hololive has gotten as a box in general.
>>25664746The best thing about Nijisanji is that (you) don't watch it.
>>25664718Polka talking about getting Cover to buy the rights to her song, which she had fully funded.
jesas wtf. another 5k ekg spike
>>25664793the harsher lines help, it makes the clothes on the bottom one look like amorphous blobs
>>25664746I actually watch a few Nijis, but their shitty Uber-for-vtubers business model and awful toxic fanbase gives me a default negative opinion of anyone streaming under them that they have to overcome firstI've actually wondered if this is why the Niji branding is conspicuously absent from Salome's channel despite being prominent on every wave since 2020
>>25664848It's because Nijisanji is a fucking minefield of yabs waiting to happen and you know it
>>25664848Marine also had no problems collabing with Rurudo or going to her old friend's anniversary as her roommate.
100万…2022/06/06 15時101万…2022/06/06 17時102万…2022/06/06 19時103万…2022/06/06 20時50分10k per 2h
>>25664856Yeah, i've heard about the circumstances about hologram circus. I was wondering more about the exact 80% figure you provided
>>25664823Cover is getting a server engineer, HoloEarth is doing fine. If a Holo joins with their model, moving and talking with it, then 10k+ others would join, overblowing the server. The way they could make money out of it is to sell cosmetics.
>>25664766No only that they are very clos in date. 4th gen was milked through the entire of he month
>>25664657Nijicope
>>25664793Maybe they started to pay more for their commissions. They had made good choices with that one company that made Pekora, Luna and Nene. I am glad the quality of Hololive is improving. But overall Nijisanji has the better 3Ds. Judging by a thumbnail alone won't help you.
>>25664871Thanks youtube.
So does Salome have Monday slot ?Or still 23:00 Sunday and 0:00 Tusday ?
>>25664793Hololive has had better 3D models for a while now. Where Niji excels is the props and overall AR tech. Hololive models are superior though.
>>25664904most of those are indies or 774s
>>25664871>HOLOBOTSAt least make it less obvious.
>>25664919Known to less mathematically inclined persons as 5k per hour.
>>25664746Baffling post anon.
>>25664674>>Gen 5 got it fasterAlso in Gen 4's case they too were supposed to get it faster but Corona pushed them (and Flare) back a month or so.
>>25664929it was gonna take too long that way, if they spaced it out like that, laplus was going to wait over 7 months for hers and it was going to happen in july
>>25664932>But overall Nijisanji has the better 3DsOnly the object tracking
>>25664956Decent AR tech doesn't seem like it should be that hard for Cover to just buy desu, that shit has been in development by many different groups for years and years
>>25665008Holofes was AR and was on par with any of the recent Niji AR stuff (because they're both renting the tech from the same companies)Really the only area Cover falls short is tracking objects people are holding, I'd say in other regards they're actually better now
>>25664932I beg to differ. Both are good but niji 3D quality differs based on how much they put their budget on the 3D or how popular the liver are while a Holo's 3D quality is mostly consistent. VALZ were hardly impressive, and the girls were okayish.
>>25665008They did hire somebody to do it for Holofes which is probably why it looked so good. If I'm not mistaken Crypton Future Media (The Miku people) were involved in the AR for Holofes 3.
>>25664848In her first year, outside her gen, Marine had 17 potential collab partners in the box>Gen1>Gen2>Gamers>Sora, Miko, Suisei and RobocoIt quite literally double after October 2020>Gen 4>Gen 5>ID1>MythThe chinkout didn't help but, as tamaki said herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX9kuXL0ZhMholos aren't with enough time even to collab outside their gens, let alone outside their companies
>>25664924I was generalizing from what she said there, and about Lamy's funding of her own Liquor thing (which was all her iirc).
>>25665037HoloFes was great but that stuff feels a little too costly to buy for just random 3D stuff.
>>25665037niji doesnt rent, they have their own tech
>>25664929Looks like something will happen in late June or July
>>25665047Hololive hires different companies for their models. How can you believe they are more consistent?
>>25665047Niji 3D models look like Endermen with thier long ass limbs and overall gangly frames.
>>25665079They're using the same cameras and tracking systems as everyone else anon, the only in-house part is the software
kek, there is a chance Haachama may snag gold after all. She's doing a watchalong of her ongoing premiere, but the audience will surely funnel to herself after that>maybe
Premiere 30K getYou should have streamed it live Haachama
>>25665078You don't need AR for random 3D stuff. Even Niji with their in-house AR only used it for concerts.
>>25665239This is....stupid. I think.
>>25665092Wait I thought cover were developing their own tech? I don't keep with these things.
Chammers will not beat any of her guests in this lmao
>>25665239Nofucking way she learn these tricks by herself. Someone must have teach her these numberfag tric
>>25665239kek didnt realise she was streaming too
>>25665280>>25665287I wonder if she was capable of self raid, like IRyS did with her song premiere
>>25665287what trick, she's literally sabotaging herself
>>25665255in-house AR is something I would think as a waste of money, it doesn't even turn into big profits after spending a lot of money for it. How many times did Niji made an AR concert/3D this year?
>>25665239I thought that too but she's going to need a godly retention for that to happen
>>25660505we will get holo summer backit's haram
>>25665342>this yearNone I think but the next NijiFes will use AR for sure>last year3-4 timesThey can also rent it to another companies/indies.
btw, you guys hearing this.....>nothingDespite the thread being absolutely the same (with the same shitty OP), the 2 or 3 shitposters went to sleep (or to work, or whatever) and the thread simply resumed as usual, discussing 3D and numbers.Goes to show how much effort that little band of retards have to pull to disrupt this thread for 30 minutes or so
>>25665329IRyS did some trick with the premier frame to make it work, not sure if she can or not.
I have been watching vtubers since Miko's Niggah and I will never subscribe too or watch a single Salome stream. I stay loyal to my girls and am not a trend hopping faggot like so many of you apparently are. No wonder society is collapsing.>DUUURRRR NEW SHINY THING
>>25665282At least a company called nanodes did the 3D modelling for the Vtubers listed on their homepage.https://nanodes.jp/works/
Don't let any of this distract you from the fact that the cripple tally currently only has 3 entries with just 2 ongoing or scheduled streams possibly joining them
>>25665282The 3D models are outsourced. Literally everyone does this, because it's not economical at all to hire in-house 3D artists who will spend 80% of their time sitting around with no work to do
>>25665414i would watch salome if she was good, but she's not particularly special aside from her numbersif niji ever put out someone really good I'll watch
>>25665430EN....
>>25665453ahh
>>25665430Who leads it?
>>25665430jesus what a fucking disasterwhat is wrong with anglotubers
>>25665499As of right now Kronii
>>25665401Meidos can genuinely do better, that's all I can say. And people should really learn to stop biting bait
>>25662375The final cope.... Salome is actually Hololive..... Incredible
>>25665414>Miko says n-word and trends>anon hops on the hype train to vtubingIs this bait or are you really not self-aware at all?
>>25665430EN3 PLEASE SAVE US
>>25665430at least the gold is in the actual tally this timeby like 100 viewers...
Mumei is a fucking debuff holy shit