/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp/
>https://vtuber-ch.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://www.hololyzer.net/2j3j/
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

I want to suck on shion's cute little nipples

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>102,804: Salome (Nijisanji)
>98,858: Miko (Hololive)
>80,300: Hololive (Hololive)
>48,428: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>34,981: Toya (Nijisanji)
>34,650: Subaru (Hololive)
>30,662: Noah (VSPO)
>29,136: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>25,175: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>21,812: Kobo (Hololive)
>20,850: Haachama (Hololive)
>19,697: Fubuki (Hololive)
>16,452: Choco (Hololive)
>15,593: Lize (Nijisanji)
>15,132: Gatchman (Indie)
>14,988: Nui (Nijisanji)
>13,842: Vox (Nijisanji)
>12,844: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12,665: Noel (Hololive)
>12,599: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>12,279: Watame (Hololive)
>12,132: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,958: Furen (Nijisanji)
>11,464: Lamy (Hololive)
>11,450: Ike (Nijisanji)
>11,191: Chloe (Hololive)
>10,396: Met (774 Inc.)
>10,214: Fuwa (Nijisanji)

>>25582213
Desuwachuds... we were supposed to beat the holobronies not lose to Gura's record...

>>25582272
>JUNE 2022 GOLD
1) Salome (Nijisanji) - 97,905 - Resident Evil 7
2) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696 - 4th anniversary totsumachi
3) Salome (Nijisanji) - 96,226 - GTA V
4) Salome (Nijisanji) - 94,165 - Resident Evil 7
5) Salome (Nijisanji) - 102,804 - Resident Evil 7

>PER COMPANY
4x: Nijisanji
1x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
4x: Salome
1x: Haachama

2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
104x: Hololive
43x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
12x: Miko
11x: Kuzuha
8x: Salome
7x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu
2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

Looks like Salome's sub growth is slowing down since she's failed to get 50k subscribers in a day for 3 days in a row now.
We'll see how the curve progresses in the following week.
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/user/DDF9A8E9E4553EC5_89b54c

>>25582349
She'll still hit 1mil by the time of the IPO

How do we cope desuwachuds?

>>25582349
Desuwachuds... not like this

it's crazy what they had to do to replicate her power

When did Kuzuha become the most popular (sub-wise) in Nijisanji?

>>25582135
Good point. It's interesting that IRyS can be so low on the overlap and have comparable numbers to the mid holoENs. I guess we'll see what her stats are like the next time she streams

>ctrl+f my oshi last thread
>6 results
>nothing relevant
>close thread
good day lads

>>25582477
Months ago.

Desuwachuds... we were supposed to beat Gura...

I don't feel so good desuwachuds..

>>25582138
Pomu said before nijisanji even opened auditions that she wanted to join nijien and make them more known in the west

Is anyone even gonna stream tonight?

>>25582571
>>25582511
>>25582364
>>25582403
>>25582310

Are we being raided

>>25582604
Desuwachuds... how could this happen?

why are you trying to bait people that are obviously larping, they just switch sides

>>25582614
mOOna

>>25582629
Shitposters put some posts on this thread for grudgepost later on?

desuwachuds... we can't let holobronies have the Gundou codes

>>25582614
en night or jp night

>>25582641
2.6k for freetalk because people have nothing better to do

desuwachuds... we can't let Ace get executed

>>25582511
I don't get it.
Wouldn't Salome still be getting 1mil faster than Gura? It hasn't even been a week since her debut

>>25582679
EN, next 4-5 hours.

>>25582629
it's just the same cooldown retard spammer as always

>>25582604
it's obvious she can't free advertise the competitors openly
anyways i doubt she switches sides like luna unless nijiEN really fuck it up

>>25582349
There's only so much JP who watch vtuber, she'll never reach 2M without the overseas deadsubs

>>25582739
Nope

I can't believe we're not going to beat Gura desuwachuds...

Don't reply to the spammer just report and move on.

>>25582739
nope
cool branch
you should learn jp, i already started

I don't get it, wouldn't it be easy to prove that the majority of her chatters are bots by reading through and comparing the comments made in chat? Someone should do it.

>>25582781
What's wrong holobrony, can't handle the desuwa?

If you guys are debating whether Salome's numbers are real or botted, why don't you just look at her presence in the Japanese social medias?
Take Kobo for example, I heard she was almost always trending whenever she streams, in Twitter and Facebook. Her hashtag in tiktok reached 140M views (Gura at 700M). Some clips about her in her native languages also reached hundreds of thousands of views compared to the average ID vtubers.
Judging from that, Kobo is 100% not botted, you can't manipulate social media presence unless you're a multi billion dollars company or a government.

How about Salome?

We were supposed to beat Gura's record desuwachuds...

>>25582810
Bots wouldn't chat unless you designed them to for some reason (chink spammers ect). While they *could* do that, it seems kind of pointless, if they are bots they're mostly likely completely silent.

>>25582888
Uh, but if the bots boosting her don't chat that makes it completely pointless to determine whether or not she is botted through analysis of unique chat overlap data.

Desuwachads... we're not going to make it are we?

>>25582845
No one thinks Salami is 100% botted, just that she has a core of bots that has boosted her into popularity and made people interested to come and see her to see what the hype is about.

>>25582604
but the only thing they've achieved is making nijien more known in japan and added more garbage cross-branch collabs to jp
look at oliver's sub count

>>25582946
That's true. Her overlap data is extremely weird, so maybe some of them are the "chatting" type so the chat will have appropriate speed. Who knows? I'm not convinced either way. She has a lot of suspicious stuff around her but if they are botting her they're doing a really good job to keep it semi-plausible and covering a lot of tracks, unlike the ham-handed Luxiem stuff.

>>25582845
>https://getdaytrends.com
We did that already. We searched for her trending tags and found out she had never hit #1 trending, the closest she got was less than Laplus by miles. She never went viral on Twitter, she has never even gone trending again since.

>>25583010
they got a decent chunk of viewers even without luxiem
Still, I think Salome's done more for overseas brand recognition at this point. I hear a lot of desuwa lately

>>25582946
It will still create a bizarre distortion of the data. For example, the number of unique chatters being much fewer than on other streams with less CCV

>>25583010
There's more to NijiEN than Luxiem

Another holomem confirmed a bot

>>25583138
Compare Gura's chat metrics. She had half of Salome's CCV, but sometimes had more than triple the number of unique chatters. That is clearly, obviously absurd. A disparity of 6x unique chatters? What the fuck?

Her CCV is also a natural recline after debut, whereas Salome inclines on RE 7 part 8.

>>25583355
lui is a hag so seems like something she would enjoy

>>25583383
picrel, meant to post this

Just, think about it. Twice the audience and Salome has 1/6 the fucking chatters. This is plainly fucking unnatural

>>25583454
Desuwachuds... we were supposed to win...

>>25583454
A lot of "chat" is just emote spam. I wonder if part of this issue is she doesn't have member emotes yet and the non-vtuber tourists have no natural inclination to spam stuff either.

Desuwachuds we were supposed to beat Gura.... not like this

cool bot roleplay dude

Desuwachuds... we aren't going to be able to handle it

>>25583550
This was on debut week and Gura had a lot of tourists as well coming into her streams. That argument doesn't apply, they're the most natural comparison and yet Salome has less chatters on her Zatsudan than Gura did even though Salome supposedly had more than three times as many people in her chat.

Fuck, how far am I supposed to strain my suspension of disbelief, are all of these viewers also non-Twitter users? Is there an invisible audience of people in Japan who watch Salome's streams, but don't use the internet at all otherwise?

updated debut charts
you can see what filtered people
kobo numbers are funny for a different reason
lauren spamming apex is the most similar to salome's chart

I am pretty new to /vt/. I can guess that mods are pretty slow on this board, right?

>>25584043
Gee, what clued you in?

>>25584043
Outside of Hololive Global, mods are very, very slow.

>>25584080
sometimes on some boards they can be at times both fast and slow. Was just wondering if they always so slow here.

>>25584111
I see. what a shame

>>25584111
Even in global it really depends on the time of day. Yesterday dox fucking archived.

>>25583454
https://mercury.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/livemegami/1654477871/699-999
>#699
Is that you?

>>25584317
I ain't clicking on that shit

miko wwe

>>25584480
Shockingly high retention rates. Also way higher numbers of unique chatters than Salome, even though these are probably also tourist heavy streams.

>>25583945
Where do you get your unique chatters?

>>25582756
i dont think you understand that when pomu said that, NijiIN still was NijiEN and anycolor didnt open auditions for the current nijien.
>>25583117
Salome seems like Lulu in the west so far on non-niji jp fans. lots of fans but a lot of them dont branch out outside of her

>>25584770
download raw chat logs. count unique author.id.

>>25582272
HoloEN as dtrong as always

>salome ruined /#/

It's up to Luca to beat the green whore's peak or that stupid bitch is actually going to get gold with fucking 8k

What kind of content can Vtubers steal from Flesh Streamers to expand their repertoire and get more popular?

>Biohazard part 7
>7159
Anon..
https://vrabi.net/video/9RUaxQXQzwc

>>25578369
Your misunderstanding of that is that people watch long form videos more or less. Having a bunch of long form streams doesn't really do anything for your channel at all. Rather, watch time on the channel is what makes or breaks payouts, in particular from YouTube premium users since there's so many of them, but very few individuals/organizations to share the pie since payouts are based on who you watch and for how long.

The true buff is the short content since the user base is more likely to watch short form content more than long form content, and willingness to watch is what makes your channel get spread to more users by the algorithm. After that, the long form video is used to rack up watch time like mad to squeeze as much from the Premium payouts as possible.

Ad revenue doesn't factor into the video length formula at all, and that will always be more effective on short form content than long form content since there more chances to trigger ad impressions on it unless you go out of your way spam ad segments on your VODs to try and squeeze as much of each VOD as you possibly can.

>>25585249
>>25583454

>>25585249
vrabi is probably using live chat log.
i'm using the archived chat log since i'm comparing to other archived logs

Was Hololive's panel on Dokomi a success?

>>25585676
Full house, some people couldn't make it in. So yes.

>>25585676
Susan sent Youtube Security to the convention in order to cull the number of attendees to the panel

>>25585773
Is this holocaust?

I don't understand anything that little shit Miko says but I tune into every WWE stream because their funny as hell and hearing a little munchkin screaming in the background enhances it for me.

>>25585676
Given how fast they sold out the convention tickets it was already a success but the performances were good too

>>25585815
I like this anon, can we keep him?

VSPO's Kurumi Noah has been in a pretty close subscriber rivalry with Nijisanji's ROF-MAO unit channel for a while now.
I find these close battles between channels that are both growing pretty interesting.

>>25583550
JP can just kusa/grass spam. Emotes arent that necessary when kanji can basically function like an emote

>>25586074
The current rrat is that her viewers are entirely stream illiterate and not only don't watch Vtubers, they don't watch any streams at all

Ame twitch 3.8k opening rn

>>25586273
most guerilla stream ever. When did twitch add subtitles?

>>25586161
>cant write nip
>doesnt watch streams
Holy fuck there are 100k+ numberchads watching desuwa every night!?

>>25586273
Remember barely 1 month ago when everybody here was talking about Ame, doomposting, concerfagging and she's been solocarrying EN for the last month?

Salome is already gaining quite a lot of attention from EOPs. Low-tier HoloJP clippers are also subbing Salome as well.
Thoughts on this?

>>25586788
>quite a lot of attention
>Low-tier clippers
Pick one

>>25586469
Are you the schizo that namesearches Ame ITT like a retard? Cause Gura is the hard carry in the branch even with her relatively small amount of streams.

>>25586888
No? I'm just tired of not having any streams

>>25586888
Kiara, Fauna and Bae (though Bae was really bad this week) has also been streaming a bunch so he's probably just an uppity teamate. Like fuck dude even during her vacation Kiara still found time to stream.

Just back from an 8 days vacation from /vt/
Anything noteworthy happened from 29th till now?
# thread still spammed with a lot of desu wa shitposting?

>>25586862
But the main thing is that her shtick and numbers are attracting EOPs. This will slowly encourage big clippers to sub her.

Chammers is having a collab with Nene tomorrow, if she manages to get good numbers with it I will kneel and never doubt her again

>>25587019
double blonde

>>25586926
It looks from this chart like there aren't actually a dearth of streams on the EN side, more like there are just enough JP holos to carry fill out the difference.

Also Subaru and Koyori are stream monsters, if there were a Subaru and Koyori in EN3 you probably would find a way to dislike them

How much money will ame make from this twitch stream

>>25586273
5k now, does she get on the twitch tally?

>>25587019
speaking of chammers did she finish editing her live yet?

>>25583454
wow look at that variance
and then look at Salami kek
sloppy job China

>>25587097
Disagree. Most ENs have under 15 streams in May

>>25583945
Fuck the chatters, this shows clearly that viewer numbers should vary much more widely than Salome's constant 90k baseline
run the standard deviation on these (minus debut stream) and compare with Salome, I'm curious

>>25587191
Japanese don't chat though, it's in their culture to enjoy the show quietly though.

>>25587191
Yeah that's also weird. Normal streams fluctuate depending on what's going on in the stream, or the topic. Salome has no fluctuations, its always 90k floor

>>25587108
Doesn't twitch takes 50 percent cut?

>>25587341
see >>25584480 for Miko's WWE stream as another point of comparison. Still more unique chatters at lower CCV average

>>25587341
not talking about chatters but viewers

>>25587097
Of course it's easier to fill dead hours with more people, but according to that graph the average amount of streams for JP members is 18,3 having 4 members who have streamed literally 2 times and the average time amount for EN is 14. That's without taking into account the amount of hours streamed and at a first glance, you can see the amount of hours streamed by JP members is way higher.
Besides, most of the times there is a triple overlap in the EN side leaving a lot of dead hours before or after those streams. If they haven't got people enough to stream so much time, they should (or managament tell them to) at least try to avoid overlap as much as possible

Salami's 90k viewers? All me.

>>25587175
Yes
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1533460956642017281

>>25587490
That's easier to do with 6 gens +Gamers. EN3 can easily save EN for (you) just by having someone who streams 12 hours every other day and another who streams 6 hours every day on the hours no one else claims.

>>25583240
>pic
Overlapping with what?

>>25587490
HoloEN are too prideful to seek out strategies from 4chan. Only NijiEN are smart enough to do this.

>>25587175
dude, she literally streamed yesterday

>>25587384
Depends if Cover cut a deal with Twitch or not.

>>25587655
fungus...

>>25587634
Audience overlap. This is from Pomu's MGS3 stream yesterday

>>25587826
Yes, but overlapping with whom?

>>25587826
>>25587881 (me)
Is it EN/JP overlap? Holo/Niji overlap?

>>25587881
It's the percentage of that stream's chatters that have been seen in other chats

>>25587339
wouldn't that be dependant on the average? i think relative stddev would make more sense

>>25587881
All the other channels listed in the graph

>>25587881
>>25587931
Chat overlap. This is a new feature that was added to Vrabi a couple of days ago.
https://vrabi.net/video/Bdwz4yYrtT8
Scroll down. You may need to refresh once or twice to get it to load.

How does Twitch donation work? I don't see money being sent anywhere.

>>25588046
I think you buy bits from amazon and then donate those bits.

>>25588046
You buy bits and then send them to the streamer.

>>25588046
It's mostly in the form of gifted subs

Ike, Luca, please do a fucking guerilla. Don't fucking let this green bitch win a gold when she doesn't deserve it

Ame top dog in twitch RN?

>>25588323
Guy named roflgator is 400 viewers ahead of her at the moment

Who is this Nox person doing a Jackbox collab and why does it say they only have 5k subs?

>>25588357
Not anymore

>>25588381
Niji VR talent who streams on bilibili, but they have a Youtube channel as well.

Is Fauna getting gold today?? OMG I'm going to Squeeb!!

Why does Maximilian Dood have such a low CCV anyway? I thought he was one of the biggest fighting game streamers on Twitch?
Like, getting 7.4k CCV on a Sunday night is very disappointing.

I assume Twitch doesn't give a shit about tag abuse?

>>25588393
> 3rd and 4th are not vtubers

The absolute state of Twitch

>>25588323
Yeah

>>25588505
>sub 10k
>twitch no youtube cull
reclining...

>>25588582
>didn't tweet it
>didn't mention it
>literally relying on people who subbed to her prior to the stream start

Amelia Debuffson

>>25588582
You are a weird person

>>25588486
They only care if you mess with the LGBT tags.

>>25588582
She barely gets 10k on Youtube for her karaoke anon.

>>25588425
Kill yourself

>>25587339
here's the %RSD without debut
Salome 18.4%
Gura 26.2%
Chloe 40.2%
La+ 31.5%
Lauren 31.9%
Lain 46.7%
Kobo 33.7%

Looking at the other lower RSD does say something about having consistent time slot for debut week/month.
Also fuck long streams. Gura and La+ were doing 1hr streams and clearly has better retention.
Salome to some extent is implementing all the suggestions that >we have proposed itt to get high numbers. take an emptier slot. stream on the same time everyday. no SC reading. minimal zatsu. spam the best game buff.

>>25588486
> ADHD tag

WTF what are these for?

>>25588486
Nah. Mizkif and xQc use the vtuber tags, so they won't do shit about it, unless >>25588660

>>25588496
Weebs eternally seething.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dQe_gdk4wA

>>25588660
Sasuga woke company

So is Shoto not streaming or is he just not using the Vtuber tag?

>Block Game is getting an update
This means numbers, no?

>>25588706
I guess if you want to watch or avoid watching someone with ADHD who speaks fast or something.

>>25588687
So /numbers/ is the one behind Nijisanji's success? Why do people keep doubting us?

>>25588687
So she's an absolutely garbage streamer?
>take an emptier slot.
Dead timeslot, shouldn't have anyone showing up without hype
>stream on the same time everyday.
This one is good, but also irrelevant.
>no SC reading.
>minimal zatsu.
These are actually bad things, regardless of /#/ stupid opinions.
>spam the best game buff.
In what world is the best game buff RE7 Part 8? This is just stupid

>>25588854
He's streaming on YouTube. 4.3k viewers right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAgAxWQMkys

>>25588687
>spam the best game buff.
>RE7

>>25588873
Depends on server staff, it took Hololive 6 months to update their server

>>25588687
>Salome to some extent is implementing all the suggestions that >we have proposed itt to get high numbers. take an emptier slot. stream on the same time everyday. no SC reading. minimal zatsu. spam the best game buff.
Almost like she has somebody to direct her career unlike other vtubers when debuted

>>25588923
>>25588957
The VoD views for her RE7 streams are going down gradually. The last 3 haven't even hit a million views yet.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgIfLpQvelloDi8I0Ycbwpg/videos

The worst thing about Salome is that she's streamed RE7 8 times and hasn't finished it yet, holy fuck bitch, all RE games besides 4 and 6 are a one sitting game, just end it already I want to see her doing something else

>>25588957
horror game is buff in general unless they're bad at the jump scare. how else do you explain chillia games? they're not watching for the game content. they're there for the reactions and boss fights.

>>25589049
RE 7 isn't a one sitting game if you're only playing it for 1 hour at a time.

>>25589040
But the CCV is high as ever.

>>25588923
>>stream on the same time everyday.
>This one is good, but also irrelevant.
You're fucking retarded, anon. This is the most relevant part of entertainment media. If you want people to watch you, make it is easy as possible to follow you to the point that it becomes a habit. Streaming at the same time, on time, every time makes it so that people will always know when to come watch you since they will adjust their schedule for that particular point in time if they can afford to do so.

>>25588923
SC reading is what killed chloe's momentum. it's only good if you are farming SC/gachis and don't care about building high avg CCV
zatsu is good if you're doing 1hr stream only. that's what La+ was doing. same with subaru with her saturday zatsu. she usually only does 1-2hr.

>>25589112
Chilla games have boss fights?

>>25589418
they have big jump scare. the boss fight is with yourself

>>25588923
SC and Zatsu are major debuff for tourists.

>>25589339
I don't give a fuck about how it affects CCV. If it tanks CCV, then CCV can drop to sub-1k for all I give a fuck, streamers should interact with their chat and read superchats

This is the one thing I will never let numberrot take away from me

Salome peak CCV 102k, total chats 47,095
Peak CCV to total ratio of 2.17

Mio peak CCV 16k, total chats 20,842
Peak CCV to total ratio of 0.77

Also, Mio's stream was shorter.

Holobros status?

>>25589599
No one cares. Don't bother replying to yourself

>>25589599
This post is going to get self-replied in about 20 seconds

>>25589575
This is damning, plug this into a chart, source your data so we can confirm it, and also can you grab a few other examples for comparison?

>>25589599
Seething

>>25589559
The real reason why SC readings dip so low is because they're for paying customers only.

>>25589490
>>25589559
This. Tourists might get you CCV but unless you convert them to loyal followers they'll go do tourism somewhere else.

People hate SC donors and Members but they keep the lights on, they buy your merch, and they do the uncountable little things that make it worth it like making hand letters, buying a flower stand, putting your name on times square, and so on.

>>25589575
Jesus Christ, Salome audience is JP heavy so they don't chat as much.
Hololive streams tend to have EOPs in the chat to stink up the place.

>>25589944
So your argument is that Salome, despite clearly having a massive bandwagon here and elsewhere on the EoP side of the Vtuber following, has less EoP tourists in her chat than Mio does, when they're both JP Vtubers anyway? Is this actually what you're saying?

>>25589944
総スパチャ金額:76,055円
英語コメ率:1%
メンバーコメ率:56%
平均毎秒コメ数:3.15
最大同接:7,677人
Data from this stream (Mio's) >>25589575
So, what's the next excuse?

>>25589944
What I've heard is that her humour is very hard for EOPs to understand

>>25589944
but how come Salomefags keep telling us she's gone international and gained an EOP audience?

Please understand. Japaneze comedy folded 1000 times

>>25589944
/jp/ is back that way, faggot.

Can one of these useless NijiEN bitches raid Shu already

>>25590099
only Mito has higher YWNBJ aura than Salami

Y'all do realize that keeping suspecting Salome's numbers in here will gain nothing right?
There's no brave soul who dares to do break containment so why not just enjoy the numbers

>>25588947
He peaked at 5.6k CCV.

>>25589944
Can someone compare Salami's chat with Lamy's? Lamy has the lowest EOP% on her chat.

If only yt gives us viewers list for a stream like twitch, itd be easier to see the real retention filtered by non chatting, watch time and present in every stream to lead to a conclusion of bots. Unique chats are unreliable.

>>25590576
That'd be the best way to be sure, there's lots of room for doubt at the moment due to YT loving to hide as much info as it can.

>>25590565
I posted Mio's stream here
>>25590049
1% english comments

>>25590487
How can I enjoy number when my side is losing? Faggot

>>25590705
seething like a retard is your best option?

>>25590487
There's literally no fun in talking about numbers that aren't real. If I can't trust the numbers, what's the point in discussing them?

I watch Salome and never chatting in her stream because typing on mobile sucks

>>25589711
That sounds autistic as fuck. Here's a shitty spreadsheet taking the 3 holos and 2 other nijis that were around the same length of streams. Source is vrabi.

>>25589599
Seething and knees broken from kneeling

>>25591029
Oof. Another point against salami

Behold!

>>25591272
gorira...

>>25591029
So viewers are phone only. Either viewfarmed or legit people watching her on phone while doing something else.

I'm not sure what the implications will be for vtubing in the future: does this mean going for the full tourist base is the way to go? Will people on the mall see salome and decide to buy a juice based on her figure? Is she going to be promoting shit unrelated to vtubing? Will she appear in games because she's top of mind? Will other vtubers who take the gachi/fans route become outdated and die out? Or will the Salome model go away once the new hot thing appears and takes the tourists away?

I was a bit confused until I realized this looks a lot like The Rigger

What do we think of Salome's strategy of short 1 hour streams every day instead of longer 4-6 hour gaming/singing/spacha reading sessions every other day?

>>25591433
The problem with Salome's model, assuming they are real viewers, is that she has low engagement relative to her viewers. She's already falling off on VoD views. Any change in the formula will filter her audience, she isn't resilient because tourists will remain tourists until converted into gachikoi, they're unreliable and disloyal.

>>25591579
Unreliable, we still dont know if those are her real numbers

>>25589575
ive always known that salome's viewers are mostly watching from TV which you cant comment on btw

>>25591433
Gura is an organic internet phenomenon, cultivated from established fans from her roommate with years in the scene and the hype from the pre existing hololive fanbase on top of a stellar debut week+taiwan yabe. Salome is artificially produced hype.

>>25591614
This is what I've been thinking. Even devoted fanbases tend to dwindle over Time albeit slower. In contrast tourists are super fickle, just like memes, they burn like wildfire and go away just as fast.

>>25591788
It MAY be true, but you're talking like one of those fart-huffing intellectualoids from reddit.

Does anyone truly believe in IPO scam? Or that she'll disappear once she hits 1 million views? Read a bunch of the latter yesterday.

>>25591433
>>25591788
Nips wouldnt care, they are likely to buy her merch anyway along with a new jp male gen. Theyre like iphone users.

>>25591917
1 million subs I mean, sorry me dumb.

>>25591579
Length and frequency is fine.
>>25591614
She has a late night anime model than a streamer or idol model than depend on interaction. People buying anime waifu merch proves that this can be done. But I agree it lacks resiliency. I doubt it can survive a yab the way that others can. Gachikoi defenders are a plus. Fuck unicorn haters

>>25591029
can i get comparison from sango & rikiichi chat. i'm curious on how usual JOP chat behavior compared to salome chat.

>>25591917
i don't think there's anything illegal going on, but she's certainly artificially produced, probably with an entire team behind her managing everything. it feels fake. still, i don't believe in any bots. perhaps a viewfarm for the very first stream to help build hype, but that's about it

>>25585078
Personally, I wish there were more trivia show content outside of collabs and main channel stuff for holoJP. I wish Holos played Geoguessr. I think it would preform well and add more variety to their content

Actually I feel like Vtubers already have better and more content variety than most flesh streamers. Most of them just react to videos, or play video games. Holos sing, they do drawing streams, they hold concerts, they do multilingual and learning streams, they play way better variety of games than most twitch streamers, they do ASMR and other pandering type stuff, even cooking streams

Only thing I can think of Vtubers never do is outdoors content, and that's almost impossible.

I wish Fauna would play SAP already.

>>25592079
In the sense that Chloe was artificially produced until she decided money was more important?

>>25591895
I'm not. It's natural to question everything. Artists or streamers dont get instant fame and cult from the get go. If you're telling me a gastroscopy test and an ojou kayfabe beats a shark kid singing ride on time with the 'a' punchline in terms of debut hype, then i would think you're stupid.

>>25592110
>outdoors content
Chinga tu madre tried it, and doxxed herself in the process. Melody and Ironmouse did it too. And Polka.

>>25592187
>Ironmouse
but people told me she would die if she left her room?

>>25592110
>Only thing I can think of Vtubers never do is outdoors content, and that's almost impossible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TCX_F1OArw

>>25592215
The last three did similar things, mainly getting others to have an iphone with them making it so the "vtuber" was the one touring the place. Connor did it for Mouse.

>>25592110
>Outdoors content
I don't remember her name atm but didn't a chuuba do some camping stuff? Or going outdoors in general?

>>25592187
Just do video contents rather than streams just like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUCXMmBWV8

>>25592140
Chloe or holox wasnt artificially produced retard. Like edengumi, everyone was waiting on a new jp debut for more than a year. Plus, it was a shotgun debut, anniunced and debuted closely.

>>25591917
I am willing to believe she has 20k bots. No more than that though, I think her numbers are mostly real.

>>25592140
Chloe decided security was more important. You'd rather have a consistent paycheck than one that fluctuated wildly, right? Gachis are safe money.

>>25592110
>outdoors content
>impossible
Original desuwa begs to differ https://youtu.be/hd8O9Q8Ughc

>>25592292
Everyone was claiming she was "the perfectly produced chuuba" for the first few days as she did all the right things like horror game stream, singing, eop pander, etc. Then dived off a cliff for money and sc reading spam. I distinctly remember the praise she got for all this saying it was artificially produced.
>>25592299
Yeah fair point, think she mentioned going for money in her debut too.

>>25592225
This is super cool. Why isn't this kind of thing more common among holos who already spend large amounts of time in and around motion capture studios for events? If they put out stuff like this instead of shorts when they weren't streaming

>>25592299
Nah, around 40-50k. For an re7 stream, its believable to get 40-60k but not 90k. Above 60k is events level.

Eh?
Risu guerilla dono freechat stream got the same number as elira freecht?

>>25592064
Sango
Peak CCV 9033
Total Chats 6157
https://vrabi.net/video/7ZhNyP9W8Cc

I don't see any Joe streams that have chat stats available.
Duration 0.32 hours
Chats/hour 19,240
Peak CCV to Chat rate ratio: 0.47

>>25592532
That's more than she had on her debut

>>25592456
Iirc if you send her a pic of your bike she'll shop herself onto it and comment on it.

>>25592169
idk man it is true that cults are not built instantly but instant fame do exists and can be successfully reproduced if you have enough resources & luck. and i think her name have more impact in debut success (hook) than her kayfabe (sinker)

>>25592456
Fuck, Kanaeru makes AR content like that on his own time and he makes one of them at least once a month, with voicing.

Cover can't spring to have staff help make good prerecorded content like that for their talents? They already make greenscreen videos and shorts

>>25592532
Thanks anon

>>25588323
>hear Ame is on twitch
>assaulted with unblockable, unskippable ads that you can't get away from even by switching streams
God I fucking hate twitch

>>25592800
They sent polka skydiving to shill merch

>>25592280
Why no one else does this?

>>25593123
because corpo vtubers would get doxxed immediately

>>25593175
No, I mean get someone else to do the tour, and just sort of ride alone

>>25588442
He's up to 15k now

This conversation just makes me wonder why the fuck Pekora's shorts suck so bad.

>>25593205
The Legend of Polka

>>25588969
they have to make sure the mod for traveling between servers works with the new version

>>25592281
azuma lim rides her bike and camps all over japan
riro-san (convert) is an actual hunter. he still does his daily camp/outdoor cooking short video. occasionally use his vtuber l2d to collab with other or play his hunting game.

https://youtu.be/92OkhRiUDZk
What's with haachama and collabs lately? She's been in so fucking many, this past week alone she collabed more than she did on the entirety of 2021

>>25593537
Graduation incoming

>>25593537
She's trying (and succeeding) to bring her channel back from the dead.

>>25593537
Summer break from university, obviously.

>>25593537
Graduation hopefully, along with her shitty Gen

>>25588923
I'm baffled how come you haven't killed yourself yet, retarded faggot

>>25593275
she's not creative enough

>>25593700
meds

>>25590099
Yes, most of her jokes are not N5 shitter friendly

Is there an equivalent meme to 'You have to be very high IQ to understand Salome's humor' in JP?

>>25593959
newfagchama...

>>25589944
>Mio
>Large EOP audience
rumao

Damn HoloID is getting really good at not overlapping and passing viewers from one stream to next. Risu ends 5 minutes after Kaela starts and a lot of her viewers moved over to Kaela's stream.

>>25582810
no one wants to "prove" anything, they just wanna shout BOTS at Salome since it will distract from Luxiem's far more weirdass graphs.

Gura might hit 4 million on the 4th of july

>>25594601
USA
USA
USA

>>25594495
Looking at graphs is productive. Honestly, I was hoping there would be some kind of definitive proof one way or the other by now, and that we could use the data to figure out how her success could be replicated.

90k likes in 2hrs
https://twitter.com/1000000lome/status/1533649482482880512?t=A3b4hqeJAf9BLEIhIGtxnA&s=19

her ccv is justified

>>25594661
Retard

>>25594661
>Twitter likes
>Meaning anything
Remember Gibara's likes?

>>25583383
Niji audience is normies who don't chat and sometimes don't even have a fucking youtube account you moron, how many times has it been spelled out here already?

>>25583454
and this graph again, it's good data but you're making all the wrong conclusions from it.
Check her retention from debut and you'll see a mostly natural recline, but every stream after that has increasing retention for uniques.

>>25594661
How many replies?

>>25594729
This is the most ridiculous cope yet. In what universe do you think Nijisanji viewers don't have YouTube accounts lol

>>25594758
https://twitter.com/1000000lome/status/1533649482482880512

>>25594729
Fuwa had 5 times the amount of chats per hour relative to peak CCV that Salome had. Pretty sure he's a Niji.

>>25594830
Twitter users that only watch YouTube for the VTubers they like. That's why a lot of VTubers have more Twitter followers than subscribers.

>>25594847
I mean replies as in they post a message replying to the tweet. I don't see it in that image.

>>25584043
Kaela 3k damn, her median is strong.
mods are really quick during SEA hours in banning anti SEA posts for racism or offtopic and letting them spam here.

>>25594729
and the excuses nijiniggers come up with get more ridiculous with every passing day

>>25594729
>Niji audience is normies
According to niji general it's the exact opposite and Hololive is the normalfag company, lol

>>25594899
This becomes more and more ridiculous the farther you take the concept. No, in no universe is this a thing. Go back to claiming they're all anime watchers, please, you're being retarded

Holy shit, Gura is barely streaming yet her sub-growth is still among some of the fastest in the industry

Here(>>25543406) is a list of users that chatted without overlap with other checked streams. see if you can find any possible stream that intersects with Salome.

Some large streams(>>25549175) were already checked but still no overlap found

The list was provided by the same anon as >>25583945


You can also try using https://wesave.chat/ to see past chat history for the user.

>>25594872
You can't compare her to other Nijis, don't you know she's tapping a whole new market? I wish someone would compile every single excuse and justification and the counter arguments for them into a single post already. I hate time loops

>>25594601
Dead subs

KS almost 104k USD now. There's some people really pushing their oshis now. Curious if Kawaii will do another reveal of the current top 3 before the KS ends to try and get a final push going.

https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1533674240628727814
nani?

>>25594661
No, it really isn't. Niji twitter is fucked and you can find 30k likes on sub-1k Vtubers tweets. We have proven that she never trended on twitter after her debut day, she is not viral on Twitter no matter how convenient that would be as an excuse.

>>25595104
nijiseethe

>>25594979
>fastest sub growth
>diminishing VOD views
Why?

>>25589575
can you fucking retards at least compare with Kuzuha or something instead of holo vs niji whose audiences have very minimal overlap?

>>25595044
A new market who doesn't chat?

>>25595130
Kobo is a chad and fucked your Oshi

>>25594966
You don't know how Japanese VTuber fans work, retarded idiot.

>>25595211
Okay. What proves you know what the hell you're talking about then? Where do you derive your credibility?

What does 5ch think about Salome's success? Do they think she's botted?

>>25590027
Salome has EOP clips you retard, and clipfags will never watch streams. Especially at fucking late JP prime time hours.
Back when there were no EN chuubas you could see a lot of EOPs on JP chats, but nowadays that's no longer the case (and the ENfags from those days have blended in with the JP audience and will only come out if called to).

>>25595167
I compared her with Cammy and Fuwa here >>25591029

>>25590178
clipfags exaggerating as usual

>>25595266
They're laughing at this thread

>>25595266
5ch is in fucking flames as their generals explode into anarchy in the wake of rampant trolling by salamifags. Their rrats are even dumber than ours

>Open numbers thread
>CTRL+F "Ame"
>4 results. Nothing relvant
Good.
>Close thread

If you want to see actual viral vtuber phenoms you look at Gura and Kobo. If you want to see fake manufactured hype you look at Salome.

>>25595274
So your argument is that this applies to Salome, and not Mio, because...? Anyway, we proved that Mio had 1% EoP in her chat at best, so it's a fine comparison.

>>25595276
that looks about right for a tourist heavy stream that doesn't have memberships enabled yet.

>>25595276
you should find something with similar CCV and duration, things may not scale linearly
Here's the closest example i can find
>56k ccv
>50k chat
>2.5h
https://vrabi.net/video/5dm8YgPumP8

>>25595044
>You can't compare her to other Nijis, don't you know she's tapping a whole new market?
you can, check >>25592532. both recently went viral among JOP & got some JOP tourist. sango shares lot chat with salome

>>25595361
share some rrats/sc

>>25595167
Does someone have that graph on Salome's CCV affecting other streamers? Both from Niji and Holo that is, from what I remember she didn't have much of an effect on cutting views from Holo, only the Niji big names like Kuzuha and Kanae

>Holocope, Holobrony
>Nijicope, Nijinigger
>Horseposting, Selenposting
>Fubuki Copium
All of these posts are NPCs.

>>25594925
almost the usual moona's MC numbers.

>>25594601
It's actually depends if she mentions her subcount at all in the next few weeks.
If she says she wants 4m for her birthday, she WILL get people to sub to her for her birthday and she'll be at 4m by June 20th.

>>25595387
This. There's organic growth and there's IPO scams to make things hotter than they are.

Salome has amazing numbers already, she probably goes toe to toe with all top holos, they don't really need to inflate them her more for the IPO

>>25595387
manufactured and yet at least 6 holos already mentioned or referenced her in their streamed
How many Nijis talked about Kobo?

>>25595522
Nearly none. There was some other calculations done on the total CCV of all streams at the time Salome ended hers, and it eventually came out that when she stopped the total CCV dropped by 90k, her audience completely disappeared

>>25595606
Wow, it's almost as if people have fucking eyes and pay attention to the fastest growing Vtuber in all of history. Use your brain

>>25595387
Keep huffing em brother

>>25594979
>yet her sub-growth is still among some of the fastest in the industry
not this year in fact all holos but ID3 are slowdown

>>25595612
Into thin air? Unbelieveable!

>>25595655
lmao none of them talked about her numbers
some of them even said she's "very entertaining" or "amazing"

>>25595658
Why did you use this image when it was predicted ahead of time you would do so less than 10 posts above?

>>25595694
Anon...That's just generic praise. They didn't even have to watch her to know she says desu wa so they can compliment her.

Get that 4k Kaela!!

>>25595676
Now post Kobo next to Salome

>>25595741
you know more about them than themselves?
Kyori(?) or someone from HoloX literally said she watched a Salome's RE stream found it very entertaining

>>25595676
>Nabi lost 1k, did she do a yab or something?

>>25595431
if we're only looking at EOPfags, yes.
I'm NTA, but Salome still has heavy retention from her initial tourist audience since she's pretty entertaining.
We all speculate that it will recline over time as she settles down and tourist attention is grabbed by some new thing (probably whatever next wave Niji debuts).
Tourists obviously don't chat as much and may not even have a YT account so comparing chat speed of such streams with established streamer chats (who have memberships and a devoted audience who will have much higher % of chat per user) is quite retarded and will give you no useful conclusions.

We've had this exact same argument countless times, even back when NJU was happening people were pointing out the slow chat of Niji vs the super fast chat of Pekora outfit reveal like fucking 5 year olds thinking they're smart for calculating 1/2 + 2/3 = 3/5.

Lauren's debut is probably the closest comparison but even that falls kind of flat because Lauren LOST his debut tourist audience after being revealed to mostly be an Apexfag bringing nothing new to the table. But the chatters won't reflect that because TOURISTS DON'T FUCKING CHAT.

what the fuck happened to nijien?

>>25595858
on haitus

>>25595266
Both they and the Taiwanese think that it's real and we're either retarded for overthinking it or that we're coping.

>>25595865
Male rushia pls undastand

Salome is botted, it's as clear as day..

>>25595865
And that's with the Z spike, would have been only 11k otherwise.

People think that Salome's chat is full of bots, can you read the chat?
When the stream lagged, they said it's lag
When she let her fridge open, they immediately talked about it
If haft of her chat is bots, wouldn't they keep spamming the same thing?

Wait a minute.
Noctyx came out in February and it's June already...
Is this the longest we've gone without a new NijiEN wave?

>>25595863
ok shill

>>25595969
I mean half of her chat IS spamming
> おハーブですわ
regardless of context.

>>25595863
What the fuck are you talking about. Her retention is garbage, over 40% of her audience has never watched her previous streams before.

We've compared her to other JP streamers, you want to dismiss this data as bad because it's an established streamer. We then show you data from debut streams, with comparisons across multiple talents, you say it's not fair because the numbers on stream length aren't close enough and they aren't in the same company. We show you the numbers of people in the same company, with the same length of stream, and you end up fucking ignoring it completely.

You're so far off base it's not even funny. Use real data, it concussively proves that Salome has fucked up numbers.

>>25595910
Not even the Jap think she's botted?
Kek this place is just coping then

So tourists don't chat, don't like, don't have YT account, don't engage....What do tourists do really, aside from contributing to CCV?

>>25595865
>5000 dollars
Nothing?

>>25595865
unironically he is inclining his normal stuff used to be below 10K just when he's view farmed his stream hit 20-30K ,
in other note mysta still struggle hits 10K when he doesn't do "buff stuff"

>>25596051
popularity = sponsorships = brand recognition = more sponsorships

>>25596051
Subscribe, apparently? Since her subs are also going up. But shouldn't that contradict the idea they don't have YouTube accounts?

kaela 4k get
nice

>>25596051
They do provide ad revenue...

>>25596026
>I mean half of her chat IS spamming
>> おハーブですわ
>regardless of context.
not really
https://youtu.be/9RUaxQXQzwc?t=1707

>>25596084
A farewell stream is not a normal stream you retard

>>25596123
Why the fuck are you just linking her stream? Use actual fucking data you idiot

>>25595985
Wouldn't be surprised if it was, what are the chances Niji and Holo are holding off announcing their next Male Branch until either one gives in first? If it was a female branch Holo wouldn't care since they still dominate on that front but they'd need to play more carefully if they're announcing the StarsEN branch, mostly because they wouldn't want to have their thunder stolen by Niji announcing a new male wave right after.... But that's just my middle of the night thoughts

>>25593439
It was the former, thank you so much.
https://youtu.be/accpg7546Fc super comfy content right here.

>>25596156
>I mean half of her chat IS spamming
>> おハーブですわ
>regardless of context.
regardless of context
are you mentally retarded?

>>25596045
In general they won't suspect any botting, except that one time during CCVID where they claimed holo is botted because people use holodex and such.

>>25596128
do you believe fujos care to become it a "buff stream" now ? he needs to bow to them more before they forgive him

>>25596188
Are you? Back up your statements with more than anecdotal evidence. You just linked a stream and expected people to take that as an answer to a question about chat distribution, what the fuck is wrong with you

Am Holobrony, the unique chatters metric is horribly botched. You're relying on either Vrabi (known to randomly stop counting uniques) or you're trusting Susan to not randomly cull people from Live Chat when you try to parse the replay. You're also trying to conflate audiences that have wildly different engagement metrics - when comparing stuff like covers, you can have competitive or arguably superior engagement with significantly worse VoD performance. For eaxmple, Suisei's Ghost City Tokyo is barely ahead of Ina's Nai Nai in likes, and is LOSING in total comments and comment likes, but the VoD is closing in on double, and weekly VoD is apparently almost triple.

>>25596221
so that's what went wrong?

As soon as SEA hours, the defense for Salome starts amping up. How come SEA countries have this fanaticism for Nijisanji?

>>25596231
You said regardless of context.
You don't have eyes? Read the chat at that moment

>>25596264
Baffling post.

>>25596281
>I mean half of her chat IS spamming
おハーブですわ, regardless of context.
>in this context that didn't happen
>i-it's doesn't count
kys already

I am here once again because dead hour broke /hlgg/
This place really ended up the only place where you can have normal discussion, minus timeloop

>>25596338
I don't know man, Nijisanji SEA fans are starting to line up.

>>25596338
>normal discussion here
ruro, rumao even
what happened in hlgg? are they doxxposting again?

>>25596259
They don't, they just hate productive discussion, so they actively do what they can to ruin it. Acting like contrarians and defending Salome is the best way to do that currently, and they refuse to do so in an intelligent fashion because that would actually be worthwhile discourse.

Why else would they go out of their way to build weird arguments off of retarded statistics like google trends, Twitter, and fanart, even if none of those things even actually support their argument? It's because they want to waste our time and piss us off.

>>25596259
>As soon as SEA hours,
holy retard

>>25596338
but anon, >we timeloop every single day at the same hours

>>25596386
Yes, but the question here is why? Why be contrarians to support the "top dogs" that are Nijisanji and Salome?
If they want to be contrarian, shouldn't they go for the underdog, which is Hololive?

>>25596338
More or less, Salome is still making people angory, which is weird at this point because she's not culling viewers from anyone... If she was culling Hololive or Niji I'd get it but it feels like she's on her own thing 100% with a ghost ship audience

>>25596446
No, because they're bad faith debaters. They aren't being contrarian to support a side, they're being contrarian to poison the well so no one can talk about anything without it being mired in shitposting

Is this thread the only place that keep saying Salome is getting botted?
5ch? 2ch? Reddit? Twitter?
Has any of them said anything?

Curious and possibly retarded question but how hard is it to believe that Salome is just setting a brand new precedent?
We've seen a lot of anons say she's unprecedented because of X Y Z but what if this is the future to be expected with chuubas?

>>25591496
Some look like Espada/Arrancar

Nothing wrong here

>>25596523
Short answer yes.
TW and JP both think we're either retarded and thinking too hard on it, or it's all cope.

>>25596523
I'm convinced it's just false flaggers saying it's bots
We've already seen what botting looks like and this ain't it.

>>25595865
where is the bot nijibros? i thought nijisanji invented an ultra advanced bot that can bypass youtube culling...

>>25596522
If anything, can Anykara replicate this strategy from here on out?
Cover will likely keep the same strategy since the Holobox makes everything more stable.

>>25596578
they all went to shalome

>>25596043
nibba, this is live chat

>>25596523
https://tanuki.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/livemars/1654481987/426-999

>>25596364
>>25596373
>>25596435
At least that shit only last for a few hour, at like you said "at the same hour everyday" so it's predictable
I almost find it scary how shitposting always IMMEDIATELY stop 1 hour after JP primetime even with Salome around. Then the thread become a wasteland

>>25596373
Blaming each other for EN laziness again and complain about everything EN do

>>25596637
what are the replies saying?
gg translate doesn't help

>>25596522
The future of Vtubers is audiences larger than xQc's appearing from nowhere, with no causal link to any discernable source, no overlap with any other streamers or data trail to indicate they exist at all, with lower relative engagement on Twitter and Youtube? If your response to this kind of incongruity is to do everything you can to deny the rrats as cope, then your priorities are wrong, because it means you're ignoring the reasons why the rrats exist at all.

I'm just so fucking sick of people pretending nothing is weird here.

>>25596665
That's because it's midnight for SEAniggers. They have to get up early and pretend they were decent people to their coworkers

>>25596637
so it was the real hololyzer guy that posted /here/ yesterday?

>>25596707
None are responding to it as far as I can tell. The screenshotted post is basically just saying that we're talking about it and that's it.

damn is kaela a 4k streamer now? that's crazy

>>25596726
uh but I thought right now is SEA hour? >>25596259

>>25595503
I still don't get this chart. Why is Salome only 44.1%?

>>25596707
I'll tell you right in a second. I'll do them all at once

>>25596705
>Blaming each other for EN laziness again and complain about everything EN do
lmao, that's it? we get that here too but it blows over fairly quickly, i guess because it's just not interesting to talk about compared to other stuff. what else is there to say when most of them are on break?

>>25596757
kaela should keep streaming at this hours

>>25596707
two anons were laughing at it

>>25596707
They're probably laughing at this guy >>25583454

>>25596707
some of them said you guys are useless stupid gaijins, and the data are wrong because it's 3K less, blablabla...

>>25596833
>EN gold is really going to Fauna with 8.6k
I didn't expect much from HoloEN but c'mon NijiEN

>>25596707
>>25596793
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>Nice board with a proper discussion

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>When you see the serious ones, they look so cute when they are making a big fuss about it in the unthreatening situation.

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>It's really funny to see some of the sugarplums going crazy and suspecting manipulation even out in the open.

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>After confirming Holoan, there was a decent lesson

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>Those who try to expose the injustice of their enemies end up exposing the injustice of their allies.

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>4chan foreign nikki under Goddess Holoan
>That's right, it's a Q Anon's cave.

>>25596911
>That's right, it's a Q Anon's cave.
We made it QAnon bros. Btw is that a niji or holo thread?

>>25596870
>>25596911
I mean it's the Niji thread why would they say she's botted? If Holofags there don't care then it's probably a nothing burger for them

>>25596911
>That's right, it's a Q Anon's cave.
kek

>>25596911
>>It's really funny to see some of
>>Those who try to expose the injustice of their enemies end up exposing the injustice of their allies.
Sasuga wise 5ch ojisan

>>25596243
tried to bargain between two opposite sides ends lose respect from both basically the whole reimu situation and how he addressed