/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

t. Newfag

>>2508275
But Nijisanji doesn't have wages and a lot of them couldn't care less about making money as can be seen by some not having memberships or spending way more money on their streams than they would ever make with them. A lot of them also mention how they just do this as a hobby and that's why they have other jobs.

>>2508275
Ogey

I see reddit dog, I sage

>>2508275
Not really, no.

>>2508275
>why did they commodify-
I stopped reading there because the only people that say this kind of shit are idiots and children.

>>2508275
vtubers were always corporate retard

>>2508275
>WHY DO CONTENT CREATORS WANT TO MAKE MONEY THEY SHOULD JUST MAKE CONTENT FOR FREE WAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2508275
i swear if a thread died because of you

>>2508275
>capitalism bad

As soon as corporations saw that streamers make a lot of money it was only a matter of time before they began curating and hiring a group of people and selling them to the audience like kpop stars.

>>2509914
unironically yes

>>2508275
https://files.catbox.moe/quupug.mp4

>>2508275
so many words... get a job... kid... damn...

>>2508275
minority opinion you have there

>>2510283
I raise you a Sora

If you want indies to succeed, then support indies and reward them for doing "not wageslave" things, retard.

I want to sage but I don't know how to.

Is this one of those cope mechanisms where you're defensive for your indie and think they have soul or whatever buzzword but you're the one keeping them from being successful because of a sense of entitlement? They'll earn the bare minimum so they'll only give the bare minimum. Unless they're doing it for a hobby, they are in it for the money as well. They'll bounce when they feel it isn't worth it anymore.

>>2508275
If you want indies to succeed then stop watching the corporate vtubers and start making threads for your favourite indies dumbass

>>2508275
You posted this thread before anon, shut the fuck up.

>>2509492
Pretty sure he posted the same thread before only last time it was pitched as "Vshojo is better because they aren't corporate" (Like shit) he even made the same "It makes me uncomfortable" point

>>2508275
99% of indie chuubas exist only because they have the illusion of becoming famous like the hololive and nijisanji chuubas, otherwise they wouldn't even try. The difference is that "corporate" chuubas follow the company's ethic unlike indies who don't have any morals, they literally just want one thing and it's fucking disgusting.

>>2508275
Ogey, but also rrat

i only watch niji jp and holo jp and some jp vtubers picked by tamaki. others are just boring. indie vtubers especially western ones arent creative at all. they end up following what niji or holo does. except for some actual challengers like virtual gorilla. hano playing ac games was good but she couldnt keep playing such kinds of games

Vtubers were born corporate (Kizuna Ai) and taken to its current format of live streaming also by corporate (Tsukino Mito).
It goes hand in hand. Innovation requires money.

im sure these faggots always bringing "corporate vtuber bad" bs are jealous and lazy american vtwitter cunts who are virtually western centric nationalists despite self proclaiming as anti capitalism/pro diversity progressives.

the funny thing is that the american comic/cartoon industry is destroyed by these lazy woke twatter faggots. the moment they took over the industry and the mega corps like marvel, dc, cn, disney, they quickly turned into massively pro-mega corp hacks. nobodys enjoying their low quality woke trash.

>>2509032
This was actually what youtube was like in the beginning, newfag

>>2515359
Ah yes, the glorious good old days when the only people trying could be counted on one hand with half of the fingers blown off.

>>2508791
Goddamn the more I hear abou niji the more cucked they seem

>>2508275
Shut the fuck up you're jealous

>>2515312
I can't stand indies, they all are following corporate formulas for everything. Except western cunts try to emulate holos without any attempt at avoiding non-stop coomer pandering most of the time like a normal arbys streamer.

>>2508275
Bro liking indies is cringe bro, don't do that bro

>>2508275
>being independent means you're original
No, being an indie means you have to act as a whore to survive. Follow the popular trends, beg for the lowest common denominators... Indies in the contrary are the ones who are less creative and thus same-trash due to the nature of the entertainment industry. People here are not interested in the celebrity culture of the west, where "indies" are all repeats of repeats where the same archtype replaces the other in the slow moving zeitgeist of pop culture, the professional under the company must be distinct and synergize well with the rest of crew, making sure that any who audition and enter are unique maintain a constant state of quality rather than just falling out of the limelight as one that attracts more media attention replaces the person as usual of other kinds of entertainment industries.

>>2508275
>>>twitter
Start vtubing "just for fun" yourself then you commie

>>2515704
To be honest, I really WANT to like indies. Since independent theoretically would mean more creativity and freedom. I don't think its necessarily the indies fault things are like this, but more that we are in a era where there are only two mega corporation controlled platforms they flock to.
A lot of people unironically liked Melody's CB streams because the platform allowed her actual freedom to be different despite it unironically being a coomer platform. In fact we have 0 complaints about those except from actual retards.

>>2515985
lol typical american perspective. cover is a japanese company. you are saying like "why is the anime industry dominated by japan". which is pointless as fuck.

the reason why you have to delude yourself into believing japan is evil is simple. its because none of you americans make things happen or you just lack creativity or just are fucking lazy.

>>2508275
It was actually inevitable

>>2515359
That's why we need unprofitable, venture capitalist funded techbro websites, so that we can #smashcapitalism. Are you with me, brother and/or sister?

I agree OP. Vtubing content has gotten so stale and safe that it needs to change. At the end of the day Money and Views will always be more important to a company then Quality unfortunately.

>>2516157
>why don't artists give me free stuff
>no, I won't do it for free

>>2516273
total retard.

>>2516285
to be fair, japanese indies straight up rig/draw/model their own shit and even put together hardware sometimes if they are starting from the bottom.
western indies dump a load of money commissioning everything and complain that everyone is busy before they shill themselves and get to flooding their viewers with thoughts about having sex with them

Can I interest you on indies who mostly do it for fun?

>>2516361
>western concept of doing it for fun is to just do it and have fun using it as a excuse for why everything is shit
>japanese concept of doing it for fun is to do it and autistically kill themselves in pursuit of a quality that is satisfactory to themselves
No thanks.

>>2516330
Good for them, undeniably

>>2516313
Nice Argument. I swear most of the people on this board are shills with how you defend a corporation that dosen't give a shit about you

>>2508275
>people are more successful than me
>they obviously have no personality and are superficial, and just trend chasing
anon, get a job

>>2516405
shill! You are not immune to le propoganda! Corporations don't care about you, why don't you support my failed 19th century totalitarian philosophy instead!
>inb4 n-no, I'm not a tankie, and human rights are a bougie invention anyways!

>>2508804
>Everything I don't like is Reddit: an emotional child's guide to arguing on the Internet

Loads of indies do the exact same thing as Hololive / Nijisanji, just to less viewers. Most indies who stream rather than make short videos are either singing or playing the same FotM games or Among Us. There are plenty of corporate vtubers who have more soul than most indies out there. I mean, they were scouted or won auditions so they must have some proven entertainment value to someone.

>>2516405
>He thinks we actually believe they care
Anon, it's bullshit like that that pushes people towards professional Vtubers to begin with

>>2516330
exactly. these lazy faggots like this tard >>2516405 dont even know cover and ichicara hire a bunch of indie tier artists/3d modelers/manga-ka/animators etc. without such relationships with the individuals in other genres, the japanese vtuber scene cant even start.

its the product of the whole otaku industry. cover and ichicara just organise it and finish it up in line with their vtuber standards. the first issue with americans would be that if americans really have such a rich and multi-layered talent pool.

Do they really get paid wages? I thought they just get a cut of the donations

>>2516388
Behold, the Doer of Reps. The CEO of Seiso
https://youtu.be/wfJCE2tMMjI

>>2508275
>Anyone feel uncomfortable following corporate vtubers like holosluts and nijisluts?
No lol. Just you.

>>2516513
Literally proving his point

>>2516479
ok but which holos would you fuck?

>>2508275
>We are living in a world where people don't understand the concept of doing something without any imminent monetary gain.
How old are you? 10?

>>2508275
>making these girls chase after trends and success formulas instead of doing whatever they want to do just for fun.

That's what all streamers do, you fucking retard.

>>2516531
You have to pay wages if you employ people. Donos don't suppliment a payment in a corporate/any other professional enviroment

>>2516530
Why are you bringing up Americans for no reason? All im saying is the the big vtubing companies have gotten stale. Why do most people sperg out when people rightfully criticize something?

>>2516574
It's not like Cover is forcing them to do thinks anyway. More often than not they just follow each others lead

>>2515704
It's even worse when the indies in question are part of larger circles of vtubers, and they have to asskiss the bigger indies to get viewers. It's the saddest, most pathetic circlejerk I've ever seen.
To answer >>2508275 's retarded question however, it' s because the corporations refine the experience into a mirror sheen, Gololive especially. Lives, weekly anime shorts, big projects, no fucking peepeepoopoo jokes ad nauseum.
You would have a point if Hololive was on top solely because their big corporation had infinite marketing budgets or were stifling out the competition, but that isn't the case whatsoever.
They are on top simply because they are offering a more appealing experience. As it turns out, being guided and restricted from doing stupid shit occasionally has this result.

>>2509976
/thread
The 3D Idol culture was already bottom of the barrel trash now we have one for 2D as well, great.

>>2516531
Hololive gives them a variable salary we don't know the details of yet (because no bitch will leak the details other than the first check isn't as high as they expect) including one right when they start, also lets them have most of the membership money and apparently 50% of the donations.
Considering you get the feeling every single member of hololive outside of homostars is living a 1% lifestyle you already know they are being treated bizarrely well for being under a corporation.

>>2516622
>Have gotten stale

As opposed to coomer bait Twitch Vtuber no. 48754?

>>2516576
t. a retard who knows literally nothing about business or corporate structure

>>2516630
Woops I wrote 50% its 30% of every donation.

>>2516639
They're both just as bad as each other.

>>2516624
it's really as simple as
>friends playing game
>oh hey, sounds fun, I will start playing game!
>suddenly, everyone playing game d'jour

>>2516568
OP almost certainly is a communist, so 10 is pretty on the mark. If he self-identifies as socialist, he's likely 12 or so, so we can cut him some slack

>>2516639
Not him but Anon, something can be shit without a good alternative you know.

>>2516657
Nope.

You can't supplement a payroll with tips.

>>2516702
>You can't supplement a payroll with tips.
I thought this was the standard in the USA

OP is a faggot

>>2516513
clap clap

>>2516752
...It's literally not, you fucking nip. You have to pay the bare minimum, on top of tips if there are any. Otherwise it's indentured servitude

>>2516752
When I worked a tip job, the wage during when I was working and capable of tips was unironically 2.75, with +4 dollars per every delivery since they wanted to keep me at minimum wage If I wasn't making tips, but everyone was giving me tips so I was making bout 20-50 dollars a hour, since I could get multiples of the delivery charge by taking more than one with me at once.

>>2516622
Because most of these whiny complainers are woke Americans. Euro vtubers are super rare and those speaking Spanish dont complain like you because they arent spoiled like you and their main issue at this point is about their language. Like they sometimes have the thread. Inb4 you are a spic. Im not.

>>2516628
It sad i really vtubing would be something interesting. Now its just Idol GFE garbage for r9k fags that have nothing better to spend their money on. and are to pathetic to actually change their lives in a good way

>>2516809
You know you don't have to watch hololive, specially not the ones that take the idol shtick seriously (mainly 3rd gen onwards).

>>2508275
Does OP have any recommended indie vTubers? If not, shut the fuck up.

>>2516933
Have you tried watching Vshojo? They are all the best indie vtubers to ever exist on twitch, poggers 5head

>>2516790
>he doesn't know
>also doesn't even know what indentured servitude is.
I'm just going to stop this in its tracks. Anon, there is a payment model in which you are paid less than the minimum wage and the balance is covered by the tips you make. However, if you do not make
the balance through tips, then the company pays the balance (directly or through other means). This usually never happens though, as this is usually employed in societies/industries with very strong tipping culture. It is done to both prevent their employees from having overinflated salaries and so that they can adjust the prices of their goods/services for the customer to not have to spend too much money due to tipping, keeping the company's price/demand charts intact.

>>2516952
>vShojo
>indie

They lost that indie status upon joining that company

anyone ever notice how all the distinctly western vtubers are devoid of producing new content?
>Koopa Troopers
>Nina shilled via pekora image layouts and hololive traits
The only group that isn't super bad about it is those south african catgirl vtubers.

>>2508804
Doge has been reclaimed and redeemed. Just exercise caution.

>>2516834
>implying there's anything wrong with "the idol schtick"
Idolfags are vile cancer, but idol culture is actually a very good thing because it is functionally the opposite of things like Twitter/tumblr woke culture.

>>2508275
>making these girls chase after trends and success formulas instead of doing whatever they want to do just for fun
have you seen Anya's channel?

american vtubers only complain except for those in holo en. although it goes for every other american genre. this shit is the result of woke/cancel culture. theres a reason that cover which is a japanese company is doing well even in the western market. americans cant adopt meritocracy anymore.

>>2516537
>Does not make excuses and works hard to improve
>Avoids crude humor, uses innuendos in a refined way
>Supports her friends any way she can
>Is an embodiment of many typically hololive values
>Lovely voice and high chat engagement.

Give her a chance today!

>>2508275
the only thing i don't watch are vtubers in english, holoEN, vshojo, indieswhores on Twitch, is like watching anime dubbed, and that's something wrong in an elemental level

>>2520033
No, I don't plan to go to arbys anytime soon, sorry.

>>2508275
>But these big corporations turned vtubing into a fucking wageslave job
>who is Kizuna Ai
so why did you not watch indies when the boom of indie vtubers started?
oh that's right, you can't understand japanese

>>2508275
>Anyone feel uncomfortable following corporate vtubers like holosluts and nijisluts?
Just in my pants.

>>2520079
>arby's
>Europe

>>2515522

There's really not much advantage to join Nijisanji as a talent. If you're good enough to get huge in Nijisanji, you could almost certainly get big as an indie

>>2516537
The way her body bobs up and down and slightly tilts and turns to the sides is interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a live2d model rigged like that, is her upper body being tracked or just her head?

>>2508275
>read an article about vtubers and decided he was an expert

>>2516788
Next-u meme.

>>2516788
Ne Ku Su To Meeeemu

>>2524514

Have you never seen a Holo?

>>2515359
>newfag
Nigga everyone knows youtube was like even your mom, stop posting

>>2522706
Eh, you still get a decent boost in popularity, Ichikara does work as a bridge between the talent and other parts of the entertainment industry and starting as an indie requires some money and/or tech skills which is not really the case starting with an agency.

>>2508275
indie's are more fun to support since you have a bigger impact

>>2508275
>commodify
Wanna know how I know you're underage?

>>2524952
Their shoulders don’t move up and down individually like that.

>>2508275
have you watched peko

>>2543079
no

>>2543079
yes

>>2552283
>>2543560
fuck you

american vtubers just fucking suck.

amerimutts always only complain

I mainly follow VShojos and indies. You can make money off donations while also doing content that you feel like.

>>2516625
>but that isn't the case whatsoever.
Nigger, Botan debuted with more than 100k already subscribed, the marketing power is really strong.
There's a reason indies need to asskiss more succesful ones and appear on streams before debuting, because if nobody knows you exist nobody comes watch a proper debut.

>>2516809
People point at Kizuna Ai and all but when you think about it, she was never a proper idol, she always was very crass and snarky compared to the idol image we normally think of, and then she exploded into mainstream after her first "fuck you".

>>2516361
Holy shit they no longer look atrocious. I'll check them out sometime.