/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24227720
Go back

>>24227796
OP even addresses us as chads, and you just decided to be a rude moron
Thanks, Nijinigga.

>>24227720
>>24228081
You have more luck in reddit, thank you

>>24228081
shut the fuck up nigger

>>24227720
Don't do a presentation on VTubers; it's cringe as fuck. Our kind will never be accepted by mainstream society, so stop trying.

>>24227720
>many missing new members.
how old is this pic?

>>24228352
i'm tentatively hopeful it'll turn out well, but thank you for the concern anyway

i appreciate any of the help i can get

>>24227720
>>24228352
If OP's country is popular with anime culture, I think that's fine, but OP might get a few laughs from the class. If OP is somewhere that despises anime and loli, that is a bad move.

>>24227720
>Back when Haato was a cute weirdo instead of generic edgelord
>Back when Aqua played other games than just Apex
>Back when Korone and Okayu didn't reveal their full power to the world
>Back when Gen 3 and 4 were hungry to get all the fans they could get around the world
>Back when Civia was the 100% EN Holo on Youtube and was unironically more entertaining than most of HoloEN during their debut months
>Back when Artia was actually pretty funny when she dicked around on Twitch and wasn't labeled an anti by secondaries
>Back when ID could do whatever the fuck they wanted, Moona could stream FF14 without permissions
I miss the laidback days.

Average hololive fan:
>has never watched anything but hololive

Average Nijisanji fan:
>has watched hololive, nijisanji, and all the smaller corporations. And chose Nijisanji over all of them.

>>24229468
Tsunderia... Cyberlive...

>>24229468
Very smart to generalize fanbases as if there isn't hololive fans wary of other vtubers and niji fans that exclusively watch niji

>>24229468
Kawaii...

>>24229622
That's how average works. He's not wrong.

>>24229468
All other companies are irrelevant, Hololive is everything. Glory to Holokind.

>>24229622
Risu is my pshi but I also watch Luto, Pippa, and Rosemi. Just finished Lutos anatomy stream actually and like always after a luto stream im gonna go fap to her. Take care lads.

A demonstration of how fucked up the vtubing industry is. Especially hololive.

In Hololive, the agency has direct personal control over all their talents. They can manage their affairs, control what they say and do. This is far different from the Hollywood movie industry, in which talents are under contract, and can move freely between studios and agencies, rather than being under the direct control of a studio. The clearest example of this: in Hololive the manager is the boss of the talents. In Hollywood the talents are the boss of their manager.

This is sort of an upside-down relationship in the vtubing industry, which only serves the benefit of major corporations like hololive, and does not benefit the consumer. In a world where these agencies did not exist, vtubers could form friendships with whoever they want, stream with whoever they want, do whatever types of streams they wanted. This type of free-environment used to exist in the vtubing world, before the major corporations started buying up all the talents and centralizing them under themselves. They have basically claimed a monopoly on talents. If you want to collab with Pekora, the only way to do so is to get accepted into hololive. They have a monopoly on Pekora now.

They have basically taken this free-range world of vtubers, centralized it under themselves, and then erected barriers to monopolize them, while extracting a tax on their earnings.

This only works because the fans are such tribalists and numberfags that will rally around a brand name or symbol.

>>24229468
Champion's fans might not know all contenders. But contender's fans definitely know the Champion.

Just sayin'

>>24229683
Average on hard data or average based on "eh I just feel like it based on /vt/, trust me bro"

>>24229784
ogey

>>24230051
rrat

>>24229932
Seems like a good way to get blind sided by an upset.

>>24229784
In some cases its kinda prohibited to have female vtubers collab with male ones due to an onset of a growing unicorn problem as of late. Especially one that has in part already claimed a major one a few weeks ago.

>>24229784
Pros and Cons.
There are a lot of chuuba with freedom done stupid shit.Only a few chuuba can utilized freedom correctly.
Monopoly does reduce competition and quality of products. (other things are arguable but not this)
I also think the profit cut might not be fair to corpo chuuba, but who knows? maybe it does

>>24230139
Nah, you might know Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan and few greats. Do you bother to check all players? Most don't.

Not sure why you mentioned upset though, I'm just sayin things.

>>24230276
>There are a lot of chuuba with freedom done stupid shit.Only a few chuuba can utilized freedom correctly.
Then the chuuba with brain will thrive and the stupid ones will fail. Is this a bad thing? It's survival of the fittest.

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>>24229784
In general, "brand loyalty" is something that only benefits a corporation, and never benefits the consumer. That's why it's stupid. People are acting irrationally and tribalistically, to their own detriment.

>>24229784
You should be glad JP was one who did the monopoly.
Imagine Vshoujo's the one who monopolized the vtuber industry.

/vt/ probably won't exist in the first place.

>>24229784
that might be how it works for big hollywood superstars but if you are a smaller you sign with a talent agency and basicly get the same treatment as the chuubas

>>24230523
On thing that I've noticed is there is lots of time when Hololive often has no streams whatsoever. Or the streams they do have are really dull.

Like, I remember when Sana was doing some awful astronomy review stream, at the same time as the great Nijisanji mario kart collab, which was so memorable that people still talk about it today. Or when Ame was doing her sponsored stream, at the exact same time Selen was fighting for her life in a $100,000 tournament against pro-players. Or when Mumei was having some boring-ass chatting stream, at the same time Miori Celesta was doing her epic karaoke collab with Yuna for the last time.

In each of these cases, thousands of people chose the inferior stream, boring their own asses off, not even aware that something far better was going on that they were missing. This is a clear example of how corporate loyalty is fucking people over, and giving the consumer an inferior outcome.

Ideally, the consumer would not religiously stick to a single brand-name, but judge all the streams and choose the most entertaining one. But that's not happening. Instead we have these religious zealots that will not watch anything that doesn't have the right brand-logo under the video. It's fucking insane.

Pic related is an example of how much fun the chats in the two streams were having.
On the left, is Mumei's boring-ass chatting stream with 8000 viewers. On the right, is Miori's fantastic, epic karaoke with 800 viewers. Who is having more fun do you think? Why are thousands of people choosing the inferior option?

>>24230482
The word upset in that anon's context means an unexpected contender or dark horse challenger, not an emotional state

>>24230521
Chuuba/person with brain is never a problem for anything.
Management and strict rules exist for a reason, its for the chuuba that isn't smart or disciplined enough to follow company policy.

>>24231021
Very interesting to compare a chill chatting stream to an high energy karaoke stream, as if they are on the same league with each other.

Get the chat from Mumei's karaoke and Miori's zatsudan and the images will flip

>>24231374
I'm convinced that 99% of the hololive fans had no idea that Miori was doing that stream. And if they did, they would have preferred it. That stream was fantastic, just like everything Miori does.

>>24231162
Okay then let the smart chuubas be free and control the dumb chuubas.
Oh wait, they're all controlled the same. No one has any freedom.

>>24231546
Very interesting that you consider that your flavor of blind fanaticism is better than blind fanaticism of the popular brand

>>24227720
leddit troon go home

>>24231021
>In each of these cases, thousands of people chose the inferior stream, boring their own asses off, not even aware that something far better was going on that they were missing. This is a clear example of how corporate loyalty is fucking people over, and giving the consumer an inferior outcome.

Here's a question. If brand loyalty has a strong brainwashing effect which makes people unable to compare products,

>where do the "Nijifans that watched all kinds of corpo" came from?

>>24227720
That's really outdated pic.
Also, are you really hoping vt would give good answer?

>>24229468
>Average Nijisanji fan
>only know Gura and Sana
>don't know Niji members outside of nijiEN
>know one or two chubas beside holo and niji, but never watch them

yeah, absolutely

GYARI made them and then fucked off for the most part

>>24231686
Well.
Living in society, following some rules do take away freedom.
Working with/under other people is even more so. Heck, in casual MMOPRG, you don't get decide everything in the team hahahaha.
Just be an indie and never collabs with people, then you get to decide everything.

>>24232418
I think freedom or strict rules is not the most important factor. The most important thing is working with smart and decent people.
Otherwise, you can have dumb rules or dumb freedom.

>>24232158
Most Nijisanji fans at least on here are Hololive refugees, they know about Hololive as much as Hololive fans.
With how much Niji fans talk about indies that could be joining them like the Randon thread in the catalog right now it's obvious they know more about indies. Let's not talk about small corpos because Hololive don't even recognize they exist while Nijisanji has collabed with them and even appear and modded their channel like Mysta with Shiki so lots of people know these small corpos.

>>24232772
>Most Nijisanji fans at least on here
Ah. So you've made your conclusions based on the sample size of the people on this board and then applied it to represent the entire Nijisanji fanbase. lmao

>>24233426
It's the only sample I know because I only browse /vt/. Go ahead and tell me how it cannot be true for outside as well. Tell me about the people whose first exposure to vtubers is some Nijisanji liver instead of Hololive, tell me they represent the majority of Nijisanji fan. You can't. They just don't.

>>24233825
I will not accept any generalizing assumptions you make wtihout any hard evidence to back up your claim. You can dress it up with all the talking points and words you want but all it boils down to is "uhh because I feel like its true". You've wasted your time from the jump.

>>24231546
Take a wild guess about what would Miori do if she gets called by Yagoo

>>24239279
>Take a wild guess about what would Miori do if she gets called by Yagoo.
Miori masturbates furiously.

You said wild guess.

>>24239513
based

>>24227720
>Presentation
Read Baudrillard, Barthes and Guy Đebor first

>>24228392
2020, 4th gen is there, but no Myth or ID 2nd gen.

>>24227720
*clap* next meme!

>>24229751
fag

>>24229468
Bruh, I started with Nijisanji and migrated to Hololive. Stop generalizing fans

>>24231021
Why are you comparing two different kind of streams? This is like comparing super chat reading stream with collab stream. People will chose whatever they want. Your logic is completely retarded.

>>24232772
>Claiming that niji fans are ex holo fans
Small brain moment.
Also I was Niji fans before migrating to Holo, I bet you don't have anything nice to say to me.

itt: failed numberniggers trying to claim anything without proof

>>24227720
What is this 2020?

>>24229784
Nice, that's awesome. I love the hololive format.

>>24227720
whack graph

>>24228916
Yea this. Haato trying to be cute tsundere will cleanse your soul, Mio & Subaru always organize entertaining big collab, fbk making fun & creative stream, How close artia with her fanbase, Risu having fun without reserve.

>>24227720
Faggot spotted

>>24229468
look at this tribalfag