/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24185116
They could be
>scrubbing past works, events, personal references to weed out sex offenders/nazis/koreans
>coaching the hires, giving them voice training, et al.
>wading through (international) red tape hell at the whims of racist Japanese fossils
>not actually be planning to do StarsEN at the moment

Nobody said Cover has to push out the gens right away

They're seeing that the male market is basically just Chinese women which obviously won't work for cover so they are rightly pumping their breaks. A starsEN would flop so hard and probably hurt the girls brand in the process

>>24186277
I dunno, just find it kind of weird it takes them 8 solid months to get this done

Any regular job posting can be filled in less than 3, even in talent work

There's a desire to get things done, no?

>>24185116
They can't find someone who's mentally stable enough wanting to do this job.

>>24186609
Doubtable, all the EN girls are unhinged to some degree, do you watch streams?

>>24186649
I 100% agree with you but doesn't it become a problem when it's a guy who does it instead ?
A girl acting all menhera is sorta cute but a guy doing so is, you know.

only 4channers applied so they had to educate them how to talk like normal humans

>>24186277
>coaching the hires, giving them voice training
roru rumao. Definetly not this, because that would require Cover to actually do something, and learning from past mistakes.
At least for the EN side, there's not really any great teaching or guidance they provide, it's basically just "here's your free iPhone, now fuck off and work on your own...", leading to the sort of unpreparedness ("lol scuff haha EN curse, nothing we can do about it, amiriteguize?") and arkwardness we saw in too many talents' first days that the thought of Cover providing any sort of formal and thorough training behind the scenes before debut can be dismissed as laughable

>>24186277
It takes time to finish models too

>>24186886
Isn't Jerma Menhera 24/7 and one of the top streamers?

I could list off other male streamers but once again my response is, do you watch streams? Sitting at your PC playing games and talking to 15 - 24 year olds for hours at a time isn't exactly a rich and fufilling experience

>>24187180
Yeah now that you mention it most male streamers are sure fucked up, I just had that delusion of having a based one with his shit together that could entertain chat and be mature.

>>24185116
They didn’t set up EN2 auditions immediately. Council auditions were February to May, and you had roommate graduation announcements and graduations from the moment auditions closed to a week before debut. I think the Vsinger auditions started a month or two earlier, but don’t remember when they ended.
Male auditions have been accepted from the start, so I’m guessing it’s a lack of the type of applicants that Cover is looking for in that case.

>>24185116
Do note that for a while now Cover has, at least for the main branches, switched to a more steady "rolling / always open" audition process.
So you don't get the limited-timeframe casting call style auditions of the past, where you could easily track the time spent from first roundup announcement to closing of the audition period to eventual debut (for example "We're looking for a new gen, apply from [X] date until [Y] date, 2 months later", and then 3-6 months after that is the debut, so you can extrapolate from that the whole process took 6-8 months in total).

Nowadays you can basically apply at any time, there are no artificial cutoff periods anymore, just send your stuff in and if they think you're worthwhile, you get put on a waiting list to hold until they think it makes business sense to release their next gen (for example, new batches come in a roughly annual cycle). The "downside" of this that you can't as easily track when someone has likely applied and for how long did they have to wait in the process. Could be that they applied 12 months ago, could be that they applied just 3 months ago

>>24187245
Bruh

After 3 hours of sitting alone in your room, talking to a scrolling wheel of emotes, some weird shit is going to leak out

>>24185116
>Gen 1 we’re successful streamers
Mori was a musician/ animator who had streamed maybe 3 times total, Kiara was an ex idol/cosplayer, Ame was a 2view and Ina was a gacha artist.

>>24187512
So what the fuck is taking them so long then

>>24185116
>it takes them nearly 8 months both times to pick a group of 5 people? What gives? What exactly are they looking for?
this is your brain on A C C E L E R A T E

>>24187682
Males have different standards from women. A clumsy, talentless girl can still be cute. A clumsy, talentless guy is off-putting.
So we're looking for a charismatic guy with a four octave vocal range who can impersonate anything from Mickey Mouse to Britney Spears with the ability to make Apex Predator solo and past breakdancing experience. Also must be happy with 500 viewers max and the corresponding income that comes with it (after cuts)

No would willingly subject themselves to be part of Holostars.

>>24188081
I'm like 80% there why did I have to have a mental break down fucking 2 months ago jesus fucking christ

>>24187682
As for "why is it taking so long?", you have to consider what Cover is IDEALLY looking for. They're probably holding out for / expecting their highest aim to get the magical can-do-it-all superman:

>someone with a well-documented public track record of professional content-creation experience, ideally going back years so they can see you're "serious" and yes they will also take into account how high your previous subcount is and rank people accordingly
>who also has outstanding qualities in some creative or performance field (singing, voice acting, illustration, editing, music production, dancing, etc.). And no, they probably don't consider your amazing elite gAmINg sKiLlz on which you built your whole personality or identity around to rank as highly as you think. It doesn't matter how many sick headshots you can do, if you have no other redeeming qualities and are just a boring husk with a shit voice you'll always lose to someone who's maybe a worse gamer but actually entertaining and sounds better.
>since you'll be mainly doing livestreaming, you'll need to have an engaging, entertaining, likeable personality that can captivate audiences for hours on end (also the main target audience is FEmales, as confirmed by the job description of the new EN males manager, so what YOU (male) consider entertaining will probably differ from what they're looking for)
>ideally you're also already fluent in japanese, for easier collab integration with JP Stars etc. So... have you done your reps?
>your past is free from any yabs, controversies, and you're mentally stable enough that you won't cause them any trouble down the line
>and last but not least, you're actually serious about Holostars itself, you are familiar with them and know what to expect (for example, you know and are ok with the limited "segregation" from the girls, and aren't going to throw a fit over it or try to subvert it) so you don't have to be told everything but can be trusted to actually want to grow Holostars and are not just looking (yes, not even as a sneaky side "benefit", but rather not at all) to just get closer to the girls.

Now, whether they actually FIND enough of these superpeople that check all the boxes, to actually fill a whole gen with, is another discussion. Probably not, and that's part of the holdup that's taking them so much time. Either they wait in the hopes that enough of such superskilled unicorns do eventually still come around, or they will have to lower their standards one by one (if they're not outright postponing or cancelling the project altogether) to find enough "least worst / best of the rest" people to get a gen filled.

But it stands to reason, that if you are such an amazing super man that you check all the boxes, why the fuck would you even consider applying for Stars in the first place? Most likely you're already a successful streamer / content creator (if you really have all those skills and talents, and you're not, there's likely something rather wrong with you), and Stars would probably only be a downgrade.
(And then it always circles back to the last thing on the list, you actually just want to get closer to the girls, and that is exactly the shit they probably want to avoid as much as possible, and the motivation of at least 90 percent of the shitters that are applying and need to have their garbage applications filtered out)

>>24185116
My bet is that they open the auditions but that doesn't mean they want to read them yet. They're just saving them for when they need another gen

>>24189593
Can't they just find like, 3 guys?

>>24189593
Amazing post, everything you listed is pretty clear and really well sorted out but there's one point I'm curious about : "(also the main target audience is FEmales, as confirmed by the job description of the new EN males manager, so what YOU (male) consider entertaining will probably differ from what they're looking for)"
Do you mean they expect Males to BFE females ? Talk about shampoo ? Diet ? Tv shows ?

>>24186561
It’s probably down to a lack of quality applicants, or crazy fucks that want to get into Holostars EN just because they want to collab with the girls, or think that it would even let them in the first place.
But even then it’s hard to say if it’d work. If you’re a male why apply to HoloStars over NijiEN, or even just making it on your own as a streamer/content creator? Less restriction on what you could play, too.

>>24191519
Everyone always says "bro they'd just make their own content!"

I literally got off the phone with a guy I went to college with and he's like, "Yeah i'm running my own 2 businesses, I do medical billing and vehicle leasing" and I just was like.. Okay.. good for you..

Mother fucker was hitting me up for networking and all he could send back was usagov jobs after I sent him the info for business loans from the corp I work for

MY POINT IS, A CORP IS A NETWORK

THAT'S WHY PEOPLE WOULD APPLY

FOR THE NETWORK, EVEN IF IT'S JUST WITH THE DUDES

>>24191748
Yes I'm sure any content creator with the skillset mentioned above would jump at the idea of joining a corp with the implied rules and regulations, already established male fanbase hating your guts and the cut on all donations by the company.

Be cover open auditions get 50000 useless applications from retards. Have to trough all of them to find the 5 good ones.

>>24192098
>already established male fanbase hating your guts
Seethe more
>cut on all donations by the company
If money was all that mattered I would have gone into day trading

>>24192244
>Seethe more
I honestly don't care much about the whole Vtubing industry, only joined this board half a month ago and already packing up.
>If money was all that mattered I would have gone into day trading
Doesn't explain how networking with a weeb agency is worth it when you could make your content without them anyway and when they also limit the type of content you can output.
Again I'm talking about a person talented enough not bottom of the barrel JPG editors.

>>24191189
"female targeted" doesn't exactly mean "be exactly LIKE females", just that being a male that appeals to females is a higher priority than for example the average western dudebro streamer who just appeals to other males -> Hololive already has the male audience locked up well enough with their female talent, they don't NEED for Stars to also target a male audience to bring in more male watchers, instead they want Stars primarly rather to round up the female audience segment that was previously underserved by Hololive. (most Hololive girls have a male/female audience ratio of around 90/10 or more, for Stars(JP) it's much more even).

As for "what do they expect?" (i.e. how would the males look like and how would they behave?). The baseline assumption should basically be that they try to replicate what StarsJP is already doing, as this is a "safe" model that Cover is already familiar and comfortable with.

So (mostly) prettyboi twink designs, nothing that would look out of place in a fujo vn. Basically nice guys, with cute mannerisms or a slight rogue-ish streak. Not afraid to dip into some BFE or fujobaiting if that's where the money is.
There may be of course some minor adaptions to the basic formula to accommodate cultural differences for western tastes, and if they did their homework and analysed "what is a successful EN male vtuber?", take some notes from NijiEN as they had already established themselves as the market leader in that specific niche first (just like HoloEN girls wrote the book for female western vtubers and most other girls just try to roughly copy that), but of course because of Hololive's specific delicate model they don't want to upset completely you shouldn't expect as much interaction with a potential StarsEN as they have male-female mingling in NijiEN

>>24186277
>>scrubbing past works, events, personal references to weed out sex offenders/nazis/koreans
Don't think that's possible if you are dealing with men.

>>24192543
Thank you again for the very informative reply, I hope they somehow manage to get what they're looking for even if it seems a bit far fetched, I'm wishing you a good day.

>>24192543
Luxiem numbers tank when they collab with the girls, so gender segregation would be mutually beneficial in that scenario, but the flaw here is that the NijiEN males are reliant on Chinese audiences, and Hololive is persona non grata in the Chinese market, so that model might not work.

Anyway, if they're indeed getting released, i just hope they get the chaddest models with ripped muscles and chiseled jawline.

>>24193178
>Luxiem numbers tank when they collab with the girls, so gender segregation would be mutually beneficial in that scenario
I agree, at least from a pure cold-hearted numbers perspective (which of course disregards whether the males and females actually just WANT to collab because they're friends, fuck the numbers).

How that shakes out in a potential StarsEN - HoloEN situation remains to be seen. In NijiEN we have the "crazy" situation that the males are actually pulling bigger numbers than the females (crazy because it goes against our conventional wisdom of the last few years that, barring a few exceptions, female vtubers always did better than male vtubers, and certainly within Cover where the biggest female talents make fuckhuge numbers, whereas the "biggest" male Holostars can barely touch even the lowest female Holos numberswise), so the not-unreasonable default assumption for most people was that this pattern would just repeat with StarsEN (having much lower numbers than HoloEN).
NijiEN's male success may have shaken that belief a bit that it's not a simple natural law that's always true, but their case may also have some individual specifics (for example like you said, they unexpectedly found their fanbase to be made up largely be chinese females, a feat that probably won't be repeated as easily by a StarsEN, and for Niji being a different company with a different model than Cover the audience expectations for male-female interactions are different in the first place)

>>24193824
so are you that femanon who wanted to teach people how to beat Vox?

>>24191189
Just look at Roberu.

>>24189593
>>24192543
>>24193824
The interesting part about these replies is that it also shows what the selection process for female talents already is like.

>>24194082
no, I'm just some dude funposting.
But that sounds hilarious, I'm gonna check the archives to see if I can find those posts and how schizo they are

>>24193824
>(crazy because it goes against our conventional wisdom of the last few years that, barring a few exceptions, female vtubers always did better than male vtuber
Except they didnt, the niji boys have always been bigger than the girls in JP, EN being the same is no exception.

Gender segregation wouldn't work for EN stars, people aren't as schizo about that shit plus you'd be repeating the same mistake you did with the JP stars, if Uproar taught me anything is that EOP attention amounts to fuck all for the stars, segregating the EN stars would also open up the girls to "WHEN YOU COLLABING WITH ???" all the time, and if they ignored that they'd look like huge cunts.

EN stars would be a mistake, Nijisanji beat them to that market and Hololive is built entirely on the back of gachikois and other assorted sad lonely losers, mixing in EN men there wouldn't go well.

>>24194219
I mean, for the female talents, because lots of them have already debuted, we can with kind of a good confidence guesstimate what their selection process was. Because we can just look at the "products" that came out of this process (the debuted girls), and see "mhm yes, so they picked girls with such-and-such talents and qualities, which means those things must've been important for them and what they were looking for".

With Stars(EN) we obviously don't have anything to go off, yet (duh), so without first-hand evidence to base our theories around, we can only try to construct second-hand tangential evidence, for example
- past patterns, i.e. what Cover did with Stars(JP), the only nearest reference point we have, how those are modeled, targeted, who they do appeal to, how they behave. And what could (or should) Cover potentially change in their approach for a western audience
- other male vtubers for comparison, NijiEN males with their breakout success being the obvious elephant in the room here, and how far Cover might be willing to take notes and emulate that, or (because NijiEN male success had specifics that are unlikely to be repeated) how they want to differentiate instead
- wishful thinking and shitposting, which covers the whole gamut from they will all be total brooootubers and my favorite popular eceleb or irl streamer will totally get in, to they will all be the faggiest aidshomos that'll constantly suck each others dick and fail in obscurity

>>24185116
Retard, all stars shit is slow as fuck. If you actually gave a shit about the holostars you would know that. I don't think that there will be an en branch this year, if there is an en branch at all.

>>24194445
StarsEN is fucked either way.

If they force themselves into mingling with the HoloENs, the idolfag unicorns will reeeeeee hard. And that's probably also a big part why it's taking so long - Cover has to sift through heaps of garbage applications of talentless mouthbreathers who don't care / don't know shit about Holostars itself and only think that they can use it as a way to get closer to their Hololive oshis.

If they keep to themselves (or are only approached by the obvious cockchasers like Mori for a one-off pity collab so she can "own the haters") they will flounder in obscurity just like StarsJP. (also twittards would raise unnecessary drama about "muh sexism why no interaction?" but despite all their screeching and virtue signalling on social media they also still won't actually support the boys with their views and SCs etc that actually matter)

The fujo market is already taken by the first-mover NijiEN, and StarsEN would only be a latecomer playing catch up. People are still coping that "i-it's only chink fujos, it doesn't m-matter anyways!" but it's the biggest target audience for male vtubers (and not channer dudes, so their opinion is worthless in that regard anyways).

And the only male vtuber type that is acceptable for channers, the mythical "Brotuber" they always imagine and say they would totally watch ...doesn't really exist anyway, at least in the west. The type of people here that are drawn to becoming a male vtuber in the first place are overwhelmingly mentally ill obnoxious faggots, there are no "bros" to be had

>>24193824
The conventional wisdom isn’t that female vtubers will always be more popular than males, as the other anon said, males dominate NijiJP. The conventional wisdom is that there’s no western market for male vtubers, and Luxiem relying on Asian audiences means that it hasn’t been fully disproven yet. There doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm among the girls for male collabs, even among those who have already done it, and they generally do a good job of ignoring the type of people who post about getting rid of “toxic idol culture”, so I wouldn’t doompost about that.
>>24194874
My personal wishful thinking would be that it would either be all boomers, or full-nepotism hire with Papa Shark and Brother Watson or other girls’ fathers, brothers, uncles, nephews, or cousins.

I just want a guy that can sing well and loves early 90s to mid 2000s grunge, alternative, and rock.

>>24196009
Same

>>24195199
I'm not convinced that there's no "brotuber" in the west, I just don't think that people actually want to watch this mythical brotuber figure. I wouldn't be surprised if there are already hundreds of "brotubers" that nobody watches because there really is no market for it. Maybe the anime avatar is a turn-off for most people, maybe the gamerbros who'd watch the legendary brotuber would rather just watch a female vtuber, relegating western male vtubers to a female audience. But who knows? I'd love to be proven wrong

>>24196840
Online bro has always been the meta for western youtubers and streamers, the point is that it's not very compatible with male idols or anime avatars and brotubers are just gonna lose to facecammers who already have a monopoly on the niche.

>>24185116
>What exactly are they looking for?
Guys that are talented in something and are not creeps that want to get closer to their oshi.
Which eliminates like 99,(9)% of applicants.

>>24196840
"brotubers" (in the west) mostly don't exist because there's simply no "need" for them, the market dynamics of the audiences just doesn't add up.

There are already more than enough traditional dudebro style facestreamers, so that male audiences (because female audiences don't care for "brotubers" anyway, it's almost exclusively a male wish fantasy) who want a "bro" can already watch those - and they already are, as Twitch etc streaming charts show no shortage of dudebro streamers.
No one in the male audience is "waiting" for a bro-Vtuber, as if it's a fix they couldn't get elsewhere. If they want the bro-experience, they would already just watch the many normal bro-streamers, and the venn diagram of people who "want to watch a bro streamer" and "but he also needs to have an anime avatar!" has very little overlap.
And again, the female audience who watches male vtubers doesn't really care for "bro-tubers" either, they are watching them for a different reason, so the type of male vtubers that appeal to them will also be different than what 4ch considers an acceptable "brotuber"

With female vtubers, they at least had a purpose for male audiences that fulfilled a previously underserved market niche. Men who wanted to watch female streamers BUT also not want them to be the typical twitch thots that were previously pretty much the only option. Female vtubers, especially corpo-restricted ones like the relatively seiso Hololive, offered them a welcome reprieve, girls behind the avatar who had to rely more on their natural cuteness and entertainment quality, instead of just being vapid rl cunts whose only talent was letting their tits hang out of a low top.

>>24187027
they have a lot of models premade anon, do your reps

I actually like the Niji males it's cool having guys who talk about anime and shit

Bumping.

Dead thread

>>24202838
The fuck do you want the discussion happened and now it's over

>>24185116
They actually think about their talents unlike the Nijitroons

>>24203281
Exactly, that's it. That's why the Holostars males are so successful compared to the Nijidudes.

>>24188081
> A clumsy, talentless male is off-putting...
Mysta...
I still love you

rejected at phase 2 interviews anon here

they're looking for idols and that's it. you don't need godly skills at anything in particular. maybe being slightly above average at singing and able to hold a note. aside from that they're looking for someone they can 'produce' if you know what i mean. ama ig.

>>24203870
Interesting.
What do you think you lack that they reject you though?

>>24203922
energy, straight up. i'm in my late 20s and don't have the energy of someone in college anymore.

>>24203987
I see, but a worn out uncle is very much appealing, why are they blind...
Cheer up anon

>>24204049
>worn out uncle is very much appealing
from what i gathered during the interviews they made it sound like streaming was maybe only 1/3rd or so of what you'd be doing. they implied a lot of the work you'd be doing was creating more product while not streaming.

>>24185116
If they get 10k applications and they spent that entire 8months going through them that's still 40+ applicants per day, and that's assuming it's just a one time thing. The applications just keep coming in constantly.

>>24203922
what kinda questions did you get
like what it about

>>24204140
Lmao.
They want to make a Weiss style boy band.

>>24204190
>If they get 10k applications and they spent that entire 8months going through them that's still 40+ applicants per day
they don't go through all the applications. they have some filter that cuts away most of the fat.
>>24204213
a lot of it revolved around projects that i wanted to do beyond streaming. i had prepared the generic replies to include shit like voice packs, a song cover, sponsorship deals with other companies and the usual. they asked for any samples i'd worked on in the past and how much experience i had with those.
>>24204297
don't know if it's a boy band they're looking for but definitely looking for someone they can manage into mulitple roles.

>>24204140
Hm I'm curious what those side jobs are
Will you consider coming to NijiEN? I think they lack a calm & composed mature man

>>24203870
They’re only looking for idols? If that’s the case than StarsEN would be a massive flop, there really isn’t a demographic for that in the west or even arguably JP.

>>24196840
To an extent I’d argue that there already are two bro-tier chuubas. One’s Selen who’s a girl but more or less the best bro out there with her bantz and game choices due to being a tomboy, and the other is in some cases Vox. He panders to fujos like there’s no tomorrow but he really shines in horror discussions and collabs, he’s got a lot of charisma and discussions with him can be a ton of fun to listen in on.
The best summary I’ve heard of him was by some anon a few threads back, saying Vox is that bro you have that occasionally strips naked in front of hordes of thirsty women. It’s a bit odd but he’s still a bro at the end of the day.

>>24204375
>Will you consider coming to NijiEN?
i put in an app with them but didn't even get a view.
>>24204383
>They’re only looking for idols?
sorry its not the best way to put it but i didn't know how else to phrase it. think about the people who work idol like jobs and how much drive and energy they have. they're looking for someone who can showcase that drive and energy.

>>24204476
>i put in an app with them but didn't even get a view.
What do you think made Nijisanji skip you while Hololive gave you a chance? Is it just keywords you forgot to include that got you filtered out of Niji auditions?

>>24204383
What if Yagoo doesn't care about markets and is just a big fan of chuuba idol culture and Hololive is just his pet project to see what kind of chuuba idol will come out of every country?

>>24204476
Nijihate
Jokes aside, will you continue to re-apply? I think there's still a chance, rooting for you bro

>>24204545
The odd thing about that anon's description of the audition process is the EN girls have always insisted they are NOT idols and aren't held to the same standards. I wonder if they decided to change direction with Stars or if now the girls are being considered idols too.

>>24204383
>there really isn’t a demographic for that in the west or even arguably JP.
There's kpop which all the underage girls are crazy about. I'm convinced the EN stars will just be a bunch of fake kpop guys straight out of Korea or China who speak moderately passable English.

>>24204476
The Holostars have:
>a show
>original songs
>voice packs
>concerts
>lots of merch and promos
>etc
It isn't just streaming, that's really just a part of it. They have a whole brand and the streams are part of the brand. This is also why they make a lot more money than the average anon /here/ thinks they do. They rake in a fuck ton of money by constantly pumping out merchandise every single month and their fans eat that shit up.

>>24204476
That’d be interesting to see if there is such a person in the EN vtubing sphere. Quite frankly I’m not sure if such a person even exists outside of streaming or regular content creation.

>>24204545
I could see it. I see some people here think that Holostars is just Yagoo’s pet project and that’s why he’s not that bothered by it.

>>24204537
couldn't say.
>>24204600
nah. getting rejected at that point made me realize that i'm the one that's not a good fit for the job.
>>24204719
>EN girls have always insisted they are NOT idols
sorry i fucked up when i used the word idol to describe it. i meant it more in they want someone with a lot of drive so that they can properly manage the talent into the projects they have. i didn't mean idol in the sense of a japanese idol you see on tv.

>>24204190
I would assume that they don't spend the same time looking over each application carefully/individually. Like in every other business, it's probably that a majority of applications can be more or less instantly filtered and thrown into the garbage because of some obvious glaring fault or lack, cutting down the number of chaff quite significantly because you can often determine in mere seconds if someone is or isn't worthwhile enough to take to the next process step.

>if they find something in your written app that they don't like / find not enough of the stuff they do like, they will not watch your video
>if they click on your video, but see that your previous subcount doesn't meet their arbitrary standards, they will not even bother to watch it further
>if they watch your video, they will close it at any time if they find something they dislike. They simply don't have the time or need to sit through imperfect garbage when they have mountains of (probably also garbage) other applications to review. Could be as harsh as even just three seconds in when they first heard your shit voice they immediately nope out and chuck you in the bin
>only if you passed all the initial screening filters they would even think about putting you on an actual interview list, where you have only more opportunities to embarass yourself and flunk out because you couldn't hold a conversation or didn't have the particular skills or vibe they're going for

>>24204827
Bro...Are we losing a potential kino chuuba here

>>24204804
>It isn't just streaming, that's really just a part of it. They have a whole brand and the streams are part of the brand.
exactly this. but i guess they had more ambitions for the en stars or whatever they'll end up calling it. the interview really didn't talk about streaming at all. at that point, it's kind of assumed that you're a competent live streamer and entertainer and the focus was more on what additional talents you brought to the table. i fucked up not doing enough research on that but i also don't really have much experience other than livestreaming and mediocre singing. if anyone else wants to get there have a big list of projects you want to do with examples of what you've done in the past and who you've worked with. numbers and livestreaming experience are the bare minimum.

that's where i probably fucked up the most. i'm just not the 'complete package' talent they're looking for.

>>24204719
Going the K-pop route probably would be the way to go, the girls go crazy any time they see a Niji male sing Korean songs.
I think future StarsEN talents will probably have one hell of an uphill battle though. If they aren’t dealing with crazy gachikoi or unicorns from HoloEN, they might have to deal with the crazy K-pop fan base.

>>24204827
playing along with your larp for a minute:

What questions did they ask you? What questions did you ask them? You talked a bit about what their "expectations" were, did they explicitly make that clear (as in, they openly stated their plans about what content they want the Stars to produce, etc.) or is that more of a subjective gut feeling? How would you describe the interview atmosphere generally, did they feel kind of slapdash and unprepared, or did they have a professional demeanor? Could you relax and joke with them, or did they have a rather disinterested, formal examination?
Also, who interviewed you (what was their position, male/female, westerner/jap/other?)

I assume you won't bother applying again, so please talk as openly as you can and no need to hide behind "b-but muh nda, muh future chances..." (or if it is just a larp anyway, be as creative as you can).

Also, were you a streamer/content-creator previously (and what style/content did you do, if you can say as much without exposing yourself), and will you continue your personal streaming/cc stuff now that Holo didn't work out?

At that point it'd be faster for them to just hire already trained idols and just teach them what being a weeb and streaming is like.

>>24205042
You sound like you'd be a better fit for Nijisanji, shame they didn't watch your video.
They have plenty of dudes and girls in EN who are more down to earth and not aiming for the standard Youtuber variety content grind. Of course that also means streaming for longer hours but if you prefer streaming over working on side projects then it'd be ideal.

>>24205090
I think stars EN could work, there are plenty of unicorn women out there and fujos who actively resent seeing women interact with their kpop husband. Luxiem has a lot of problems with those crazy bitches, I'm sure they'd be glad if Stars EN took those women off their hands by pandering to kpop. Maybe they won't be as successful as the girls but they could be 1-2k CCV streamers, which is perfectly fine.

>>24205247
>At that point it'd be faster for them to just hire already trained idols and just teach them what being a weeb and streaming is like.
Seriously if they "just want someone who can sing" why not go for washed up idols like Kiara?

>>24204719
>if now the girls are being considered idols too.
Wouldn't ve the first time, Gamers, iirc, was supossed to be more gaming focused but they still ended up getting dragged into the idol side of the company.

It's funny how interviews are looking for so many things but the true things that matter are only
Can you pander
Can you fujobait
Can you make females head over heels over you even by pissing

>>24205247
male "trained idols" don't really exist in the west (anymore? in the 90s and 00s you at least had the manufactured boy bands where you could draw some cultural expectations about what female-targeted entertainment males would look like).

They would have to take some Jap males, or someone else with an existing active "male idol" culture (so they know what it looks like and there's enough of a potential talent pool), and train them up to speak english.
It's a tough ask, because lol japs speaking english, but it's probably faster than finding enough males in the west who know how to behave as a male idol

>>24205499
Idk the west produced little shits like justin bieber so there definitively is a system in place.

>>24205231
>What questions did they ask you?
mostly about what additional projects i had experience with and what i planned to do with them.
>What questions did you ask them?
nothing outside the usual of how they support their talents. stuff about remote work logistics.
>did they explicitly make that clear (as in, they openly stated their plans about what content they want the Stars to produce, etc.)
no whatever projects they wanted produced, they asked from me. they didn't tell me anything that they had planned.
>is that more of a subjective gut feeling?
don't know what you're asking here
>How would you describe the interview atmosphere generally, did they feel kind of slapdash and unprepared, or did they have a professional demeanor?
professional ig. i tried to crack jokes and they'd chuckle a handful of times but it was mostly sticking to the interview aspect.
>Also, who interviewed you (what was their position, male/female, westerner/jap/other?)
they just introduced themselves with their name no mention of a position. it was over voice with no webcams either direction so i couldn't tell you what enthicity they were but they did have an accent. idk what this question has to do with anything about the process.
>so please talk as openly as you can
there's nothing to say. i wasn't a good fit for the position. plus they didn't tell me anything so it's not like i have insider secrets to leak or some shit.

>>24205303
thought about it. bummed out by no views but some insider talk about it being the hanamori circlejerk put me off so i don't see it as any loss.

>>24185116
I'll give you a hint, they're looking for someone that isn't (you).

>>24204719
>EN girls have always insisted they are NOT idols and aren't held to the same standards

Eh, they keep it purposefully vague (because the label "idol" also comes with some expectations they may not be completely comfortable with), or using the ambiguity of being an idol or not situationally to whatever suits their current needs the best.

They joke around about being "not idols" when they want to do their entertainment stuff beyond the "traditional" idol image song and dance stuff, but of course they also want to be seen as idols when they do the explicit idol stuff, for example appearing in a Holofes concert on stage and being adored by fans.
Overall, the "mechanics" of the underlying business (basically earning money by building parasocial emotional investment of the fans who want to see their oshi grow in a developmental journey, culminating in big celebratory events like stage concerts etc.) is still pretty much the same as set out in the basic "idol blueprint", only the specifics differ because of the chosen medium (for example the HoloEN girls content spends more time on playing video games than on just song and dance performances of traditional rl idols, because that's just easier online)

>>24205850
Then why was I directly contacted by people on the inside?

>You don't have proof!

I don't have to provide it, dear anonymous internet user, entertain the idea for 10 seconds.

Hell, entertain it when all I can tell you is my streaming capability was already inconsistent and I displayed basically 0 talent

>>24205553
I'm too old to know if there's still a system in the western entertainment industry that produces such male "idols" for a female audience. If yes, sure it would probably make the most sense to recruit from there, as then you at least have a higher chance of getting people who are at least trained in the basics of how to appeal to females. (instead of relying on applications from streamers/content-creators instead, who mostly don't know shit about appealing to females).

Maybe the Disney media complex still produces such male talents? idk

>>24205578
>thought about it. bummed out by no views but some insider talk about it being the hanamori circlejerk put me off so i don't see it as any loss.
That's just a holobrony rrat, it seems more like their audition process is just flawed since I've heard a lot of anons weren't getting views on their auditions. Considering people like Fulgur or Sonny managed to get in against all odds it's just about luck I guess.

There is something going on when 2views like Shu and Uki managed to get in with very minimal upfront personality but it seems more like the Hanamori group just know how to get their foot in the door due to having friends who did it before and could give them advice. All the members of Hanamori have experience working on covers and side projects, working in a group environment and maintaining professional atmosphere, etc. If the 2views in Prism or Phase Connect auditioned for NijiEN they'd probably get in easier too. I doubt management is actually giving them favorable treatment just because their friends work there.

I guess we'll see with the next auditions now that Tsunderia and Cyberlive fell apart. If at least one or two of them don't resurface in NijiEN I'd be quite surprised.

>>24206098
I have no clue if they still produce that type of talents either but by tracing back how the guy came about or just lurking around art schools dedicated to singing / dancing / theater they'd probably have more chances of finding what they're looking for instead of roaming through the unwashed weeb masses.

>>24205578
>mostly about what additional projects i had experience with and what i planned to do with them.
Did you have any good plans on what you wanted to do (content, projects) when you got into Stars? Obviously your answer didn't convince them because they rejected you, but what was your answer? You said you were a little unprepared for what they were looking for (they wanted more of a focus on performance stuff?)
>nothing outside the usual of how they support their talents. stuff about remote work logistics.
any interesting tidbits to share from their answers? What did they say? Were you satisfied with their answers, did it sound like a place you'd be happy to work at, or could you already see potential trouble signs?
>no whatever projects they wanted produced, they asked from me. they didn't tell me anything that they had planned.
Ok, so they didn't tell you "we want to do [this and that] project, so we need people with [this and that] skill" and it was more like "so, tell us what YOU want to do with us..." (see also first question)? Shame that there's not much insight we can glean from that regarding what kinds of future contents and projects they plan to deliver with ther StarsEN, but did you at least get enough of an impression to make an educated guess?
>they just introduced themselves with their name no mention of a position. it was over voice with no webcams either direction so i couldn't tell you what enthicity they were but they did have an accent. idk what this question has to do with anything about the process.
Just wanted to get an idea how the branch was going to be managed, for example if it's a JP staff remote controlling from Cover HQ or if they actually hired some westerners as directors for their western branch. We often meme about the HoloEN branch lacking in corporate support structure and it's interesting whether the company learns from past mistakes and actually improve their handling of the foreign branches. So from what you're saying, the staff was ESL at least.

>there's nothing to say. i wasn't a good fit for the position. plus they didn't tell me anything so it's not like i have insider secrets to leak or some shit.
Oh well, that's disappointing but expected. Sounds boring and not juicy enough. As an aside, just to gauge the relevancy of the meme of "most dudes applying for StarsEN actually don't know / don't care about Holostars itself and think they can just use it to get closer to their favorite Hololive girls instead", how much did you know/care about Stars before? What were your motives for joining? Did the topic of Hololive (females) ever come up during the interview, whether by you or the interviewer?

>>24205578
To squash a specific rrat about Hololive scraping audition videos: how long did they watch your video and how many times? Also, how long after your submission did they contact you?

>>24206710
>what was your answer?
voice packs, boyfriend scenario, covers, sponsorships. that was all.
>any interesting tidbits to share from their answers?
sounded very corporate. the usual we have staff who can help you later type of answers.
>did it sound like a place you'd be happy to work at
this was going to be 100% remote so that never came up as a thought for me.
>did you at least get enough of an impression to make an educated guess?
nothing. like i said they didn't say anything and the interview revolved specifically around what projects i had in mind, what experience i had and how i planned to do them.
>how much did you know/care about Stars before?
i knew they existed but i'm eop so i never watched them other than the biggest clips.
>Did the topic of Hololive (females) ever come up during the interview, whether by you or the interviewer?
never.
>>24206755
>how long did they watch your video and how many times?
they watched just under 2 minutes of the 5 minute clip and it was just once.
>how long after your submission did they contact you?
i got the email asking to schedule an interview two and a half weeks afterwards.

>>24206959
ok ty, I guess that's all and there's nothing more interesting to come.

Anything else you want to say about your experience, that hasn't been asked yet, or a common misconception about the StarsEN application process that you see rratted about here and want to correct?

Otherwise imma let you go if there's nothing more interesting for me to ask or for you to say. Good luck with whatever your other future endeavours are, my dude

I feel like watching indie vtubers instead after reading this whole thread.

>>24206959
Come to think of it, do you know how many rounds are there for a candidate to get in in total?

>>24208259
>do you know how many rounds are there for a candidate to get in in total?
no idea. at least 2.

Why do these replies seem similar. It's almost as if the guy rejected by StarsEN keeps making these bait threads to rant

>>24203535
nah, mysta is a gay bait. gay sells, so it doesn't count

>>24206959
So the most prevalent theme and impression from this interview process (assuming it isn't just a larp anyway, but let's indulge for a minute) is that Cover is basically placing a high importance on self-reliance and self-sufficiency. They're looking for people who are so experienced, so professional, that they have already done entertainment projects in the past (so can be trusted to know how to do it again on their own without needing any help or prompting from the corpo) and people who have already their whole content production strategy planned out for themselves.

Basically they're looking for people who can do everything themselves, so Cover doesn't need to spend any additional effort on doing anything for them and they can basically manage themselves, and the company can be as lazy and little involved as possible (while still reaping their benefits and skimming profits from their work).

No surprises so far, on the one hand that's just basic business sense (and you have to consider, what Cover actually mostly provides for it's talent is not technical support or content support, but rather just "access to their platform and an audience" and you are mostly on your own with what you make out of that opportunity then afterwards), and larp or not, tracks with our outside observations from Cover management policies (or lack thereof) for their talents - they basically do fuckall for you and if you want something done, you have to do it yourself - so they're selecting for people who actually can and want to "do the doing" themselves, and not need to be handheld like little new babbies who don't know what to do and need everything explained and done for them, but can start producing professional content right from the getgo.
It's reasonable to assume this raising of hiring standards for talent is a lesson they learned from their earlier days when they had much less clout so they had to take in people who were much less prepared or had less drive and thus turned out to be floundering duds in the long run, so they try to filter and select more for motivated and capable go-getters in future generations instead.

>>24205850
I did find the proof! Make your best interpretations of the evidence I can provide!

https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/21498057/#21507440
This one involves a discussion between I and someone else, mostly in code, we speak about making art etc, mostly pointless, but evidence for me that someone is aware I'm /here/.

https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/21903162/#q21904181
In this thread there's discussion of Yagoo assuring the community they are still searching for candidates for HoloStars, I make a point earlier in the thread that I had applied, deleted my vid, and in a show of fortitude I upload my application video and introduce myself at the start (catbox is still up! It's bad but it's evidence a**x exists) Someone confidently says "I'm in! and don't come back to this site once accepted"

https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/21935701/#q21944259
In some weird ass thread I offer up my contact info, another person correctly guesses a**x, and after triple checking everything my ospec is safe! With the info provided you can't find me via google! Meaning someone /here/ was following my 2view shit. Limited number of options if you know the regulars

>>24210139
>>24205850
Now the real question is, with my lame ass and piss poor content, what exactly would they be so encouraged by to follow me this fucking close?

>>24187245
Idiot.

>>24210139
>>24210406
Lets keep this going, I think I've got solid proof that someone "in" wanted to keep me motivated

For real

If (you) know who I am, my content was shit

Inconsistent

Mostly copied from other people or barely original at all

What exactly did they think was going to happen with a little boost?

>>24185116
It's one generation a year anon, how have you not realized this? Also, the debuts occur in late August and early September.

>>24187512
Ina was a twitch streamer, same with gura and ame. Kiara streamed on nnd and made videos for YouTube.

>>24205042
>examples of what you've done in the past and who you've worked with
Man, the more I read on this the more it seems their standards are genuinely too high, it's like they want some celebrity tv show host who can sing and dance and stream and who's a marketing manager and product designer and voice actor and and and etc.

>>24209866
Those are definitely pasta like this one >24189593, I've seen this replies everywhere when someone make a thread about StarsEN

>>/vt/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=Now%2C+whether+they+actually+FIND+enough+of+these+superpeople+that+check+all+the+boxes%2C+to+actually+fill+a+whole+gen+with%2C+is+another+discussion..

>>24225851
Wow that's really weird anon!

>>24185116
They're waiting for me anon. I haven't sent sent in my audition yet, you see. Sorry about that! (gomen, gomen).
I'll have it in by the end of next week. Me and my four underlings will probably debut in the fall. See you soon!