/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>23456592
I don't know whether I should be concerned or not.

>>23456643
you should be bery concerned

Didn't Sony already massively fail with vtubers? Why are they still trying?

>>23456643
It's fucking Sony. You should very concerned indeed.
>>23456740
They did.

>>23456592
At least it's Sony (Japan) and not Sony Commiefornia

Sony owns verse-n too

>>23456740
She successfully made her way to my heart

what happen to versen

>>23456592
So Sony just wants to have multiple vtuber groups without helping in anything right?

>>23456592
PRISM of all things?
I guess it makes sense, of the small corps they're the least yab filled and have some decent talents. Could be worse but feels a bit late for Sony to do much with them.

I'd love to see some love hit the gen1 girls though.

I can forgive Sony for everything, because they gave me Itsuki.
And she is live right now, watching Violet Evergarden and munching on snacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW5TIzsBIO0

>>23456643
BUY PINACOIN RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SHOOTING FOR THE MOON.

>>23456990
ITSUKI LOVE

>>23456643
Here is what happened the last time SONY got their kike hands on something

>Be Sony
>announce new vtuber branch backed by proper corpo money
>immediately forget it exists and let your talents flounder as 2views
>wait a year for small corpos to start shuttering
>buy prism
what is the plan here

Well if this is what it takes to get Meno to be able to open memberships so be it.

>>23456592
What ever happened to their 50 Vtuber project?

This is actually Sony Music third vtuber project. They have Verse, this and they also opened a chinese agency with bilibili last year, the one that Kagura mea is part of

>>23457144
It flopped

>>23456974
Nanamona..... ;_;
I failed to protect you.... sorry....
but don't worry i am watching every stream from you i never missed once....

>>23457063
To be fair that's mostly her fault.
I feel for her since she was young and inexperienced, but at the same time content creation restriction like this exist in any creative field and is something you need to iron out well in advance.
A lot of artists have to stop drawing anything publicly once hired for example because technically "anything they draw the company owns"

>>23457206
https://vee-official.jp/news/post220429/
they just wrapped up auditions yesterday.

>>23457287
Too bad nobody cares. Kaguya Luna is doing better than anything Sony will ever be able to shit out.

>>23457084
>>23457297

The only way this makes sense is if they start loading some of those 2Views into PRISM Project and use that brand as the launching point.

Does that mean they won the small corpo war?

>>23457649
They lost because Sony has some of the worst contracts in entertainment.
Talent will get fucked over, you do not want to sell your soul to Sony.

>>23457649
No, they lost it. This is selling out. It's over.

>>23456592
will the ENs get the Kaguya Luna treatment?

>>23457506
does it take a lot of effort being this retarded all the time?

>>23457746
>>23457747
Therefore, graduations imminent

>>23457458
I like her. Just saying she made a blunder and then cried about what's a fairly basic (albeit bullshit) contract.

>>23457789
>graduating when you are locked into a year+ contract with sony owning all your assets
lol good luck avoiding those lawsuits
It took Kaguya Luna 2 years fighting the law to get out and she had to completely give up Kaguya Luna

>>23456990
I love Itsuki so much

>>23456643
Honestly Sony is the absolute worst company that could possibly acquire a small vtuber corpo. It really doesn't get much more dire.

>>23456974
That sheep is really cute, and it helps that she sprinkles a little English here and there.

>>23456592
This is Kaguya Luna all over again. Kek. They never learn.

Verse_n is still active,

what are you guys talking about.

it's kinda sad and makes me insecure that Cap passed the baton to someone else we didn't know.
but at least we can sure Cap wouldn't be doing this without careful consideration to the company future.

>>23457746
Remember that they killed Micheal Jackson. That should tell you everything.

>>23457084
Well isn't PRISM willing to collaborate with Verse? So I can see why they'd catch Sony's eye. On the other hand we don't know if other EN focused corpos were approached or not.

>>23458173
Honestly I think Prism and PC are the only two EN corps that are in decent enough shape for Sony to approach. Everyone else is too small, except Tsunderia who is a fucking dumpsterfire right now

Please subscribe to Nanamona, she's very cute and crazy and can speak fluent english.

>>23456643
Remember VERSEN?

>>23457287
Anything they draw the company owns if it is made during working hours?

Anyway this is the experience most people would get from a big corporation.
The structure is optimized to let a group of sociopath get rich while the people at the bottom producing real value are getting destroyed and forced to produce value at a high frequency while the managers in the middle make a lot of regulations to show how important they are at being parasites for the really productive elements of the company.

They key for creativity is freedom and a creative activity requires a lot of freedom which they will never get from a corporation.
It's a common mistake for young people to think that they still need the support of big corporations to make it and to get acceptation in this internet age where you can do almost everything remotely with only one laptop.

Big corporations will get more and more competition from individuals who can scale their operations through web automation.

>>23458246
Isn't this the sheep who did core keeper with an open lobby?

>>23456592
>Luna
>VERSE
>PRISM
They can smell the money but they'll never get it.

Apologize.

>>23458173
not just willing, they did collab.

>>23458290
I agree corporations need to get out of vtubing and indies need to get giant. Vtubing will continue to be stale as long as hololive vshoujo and nijisanji are around.

so did they just abandon those girls they hired? Cringe and gay

>>23458246
tell her to get out of sony and I will

Oh no no no phase bros, this won't affect us! We have to overreact!

Seriously though, pmaru-sama didn't poison the EN scene against Sony so maybe there is a chance.

>>23457800
It wasn't just that. They obviously tried to force her to produce a content she didn't want to while denying her what she wanted. Typical corporate politics that ended up with Sony losing a golden goose.

>>23458290
>during work hours
The way contracts are often worded is that even in your free time it's theirs because you were "inspired" by the work you were doing thus blah blah lawyer speak, its theirs.
And good luck competing with their lawyers.

It happens in many fields like art, singing, even programming sometimes.

But the main draw of corps is safety. It's hard to be independent and extremely risky. Working under a big name secures you some safety if it's successful and guarantees work.

>>23458308
Yes, please watch her she's a good girl.

>>23457022
DOGECOIN IS WHERE MY MONEY IS AT

>Be snoy
>Hire a brilliant japanese girl who can speak fluent english
>Region lock her streams to japan only

I still feel kinda bad for her, she had potential, and got cunt punted by raw greed.

>>23457649
>Does that mean they won the small corpo war?
No. Just the founder.

>>23458644
who?

>>23458644
You mean Sally?

>>23458242
I wonder if Sony tried to buy Tsunderia prior to Slug QQ'ing but the lazy-ass CEO just flat-out didn't get the eMail.

>>23458678
Probably Amaki Sally from 22/7, they decided not to turn them into vtubers and went on with the typical idol route instead. Most of their contents are Japan only, it's a very stupid move, they have oversea fans that fly to Japan to meet them. Sony is very fucked up sometimes.

>>23458524
There's a safety and then there's Sony. Nothing new they did in decades was actual success. They always found a way to fuck something up.

>>23458787
Ps5 is good.
That spiderverse animated movie was pretty good too.

>>23458368
What for? I never Anti'd but I also don't think she saw this coming. I think she just didn't fit well enough.
...that or the "she lied about her age" rrat is true.

they'll buy Hololive/Nijisanji and you will like it

>>23458524
Safety at the cost of mediocrity.
If you play it safe you will never make anything of value and will regret it one day.

Corporations are built to extract the maximum amount of value of their slaves.
If people realized they had the status of a slave while working they would think twice of joining.

The japanese working culture is a bad fir for these life destroying machines.
The only way to win is not to play or to work the minimum amount to not get fired.

These unhealthy companies are propped up by the negative interest rates created by the Japanese Central bank making it easy for them to get free money while not producing anything of value.
An increase of interest rates would allow these companies to go bankrupt and clean the system out of the sociopaths who control the unprofitable corporations.

https://youtu.be/7Q9ouDgec1s

>>23458904
Niji sure, but Hololive is actually saved due to China being in a permanent butthurt state

smells like jew

>>23458928
Some people just want to live in a house not in a van. That's not a bad thing and if you work the corporation right you can still make things you want in addition to things they want.

Unrestricted freedom sounds great but it also more often than not ends up with you just quitting and working at McDonald's because you never found success and started going down wrong paths.

I'm getting a Stepford Wives vibe from the talent right now.

Everyone but 4channel seems to like the idea though.

>>23458369
Mind linking the stream?

>>23459011
However, Japanese corporations failure to adapt to changing markets because those at the top tend to stick to the tried and tested. That approach may not necessarily be compatible to future changes.

>>23457862
Sony can't magically change your contract without you signing it.
>lol
Retard.

people here would talk about how kson was doomed and irrelevant after becoming indie and how restrictive it is to work in a company at the same time
who the fuck cares, let’s just wait and see what happens. If it burns it’ll be a great spectacle at least

>>23459078
The talents aren't going to shit talk Sony bro. And most npcs just see big company = good without knowing the history behind Sony and vtubers.

>>23459078
Because only people here are old enough to remember what Sony does.

>>23459172
>no new id
We already know it burned. We already know how Sony operates.

>>23459134
Naki
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9YkUEUxvntA
Nanamona
https://youtube.com/watch?v=V3SRR3rhcfc
there. I even posted the versen pov.

after witnessing how anykara treated their oversea branches, I don't really think they are any better than Sony, Anykara definitely a black company.

>>23459172
>Kson
Uh if anyone can still survive big on her own, it's her. Was anyone actually worried about that? However, she misses out on the stage performances as an indie.

>>23458378
I think we are going to see more big indies in the future, as it's the new form of being an e-celeb in Japan.

Hololive has a strange market with a form of first mover advantage overseas, but this type of advantage doesn't always last and their Japanese company culture is a bad fit for western target audience.

One thing I would be curious to see is how long someone remains a fan of a brand based vtuber agency, and what they switch to later if they leave.

>>23456592
why does sony keep wanting to get into vtubing arent they rich enough already
why do they care that much about virtual streamers

>>23459363
But Yagoo is savvy enough not to let that happen, right?

>Luto ERPs with an entire XIV server
well. it was fun

>>23459172
>one of the biggest names in vtubing made it on her own
huuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Now compare that to a literal 1view that makes 0 money retard

>>23458904
>>23458969
bilibili might buyout niji once the IPO happens (8th June IIRC). at least zhang buying out niji would be somewhat unpredictable, and I can follow any tubers that quit due to being based racists

>>23459406
The entertainment industry is obsessed with control. The greater the control, the greater the profits.

>>23459406
It's not about money it's about monopolizing every form of entertainment

>>23459406
it’s a growing platform where their they can promote their games, music, shows at the same time, easily worth a investment consideration

>>23459432
So long as he doesn't announce a hololive NFT project I would say yes.

>>23459011
Reminds me of Pewdiepie leaving his education to sell hot dogs to his former friends at university while working on his channel.

It's a life choice.
But if someone chooses the security of a slave they should not be surprised when they are not allowed freedom.

>>23459363
Corps will always have a place.
HoloEN will eventually die out because they sucked at hiring talents. All their streams are a bore fest.

I really hope nijien dies too because God damn they have the worst culture I've ever seen. Even twitch streamers are better than that shit.

But indies just can't compete with things like merch and concerts. There's just too much initial cost investment that random nobodies can't match.

>>23458904
I can see Hololive being acquired by someone like Bushiroad down the line.
Thought it would already happen last year when they had some crossover collabs

>>23459363
What do you mean "new". Indies were always big thing in japan.

>>23459619
I'm not surprised bigger corps are avoiding them.
Streaming is an endless yab machine, for a small streaming company that only sells to streamfags it can be overlooked. But larger companies actually care about public image and brand and streaming can easily make them look bad.

Vtubing is at its most bland and boring right now because of corpos. vtubing will never evolve unless people stop selling out and remain indie

Well, this turned into a 2view indo cope thread quick. Nothing of value lost.

>>23458246
How often does she speak in English? Does she stream in jp primetime?

>>23459359
to be fair to Kson, I don't think "stage performances" (as in, the traditional Hololive idol song and dance stuff) was ever her main goal or dream (she's not exactly a big singer nor did she ever make moves to be especially known for her music or whatever), so she's probably not all too sad about missing THOSE.
It was more about doing wacky stuff in 3D streams for her, plus being together with her company mates, I'm sure she misses that aspect of the previous job, but if any indie is in a position to rebuild (for example, set up her own 3D stuffs) some aspects of that, it's her

can you please not harass the girls about this? it wasnt their decision

>>23458287
no
fuck

>>23459321

the hilarious part about this is : Naki doesn't know at all when she's streaming this. that Nanamona is part of Sony corporation.

she mentioned it a few streams later that she just realize that Versen is a Sony project

>>23459619
Bushiroad is happy enough sponsoring Hololive events. That company is more interested in selling product, rather than acquisition of entertainment companies. It is simply not what they do.

>>23459172
the only people saying she was doomed and irrelevant are tribal holobronies. >>23459834
keep sucking the corporate boot idiot

>>23459877
Are you one of the girls?
Is there an exit clause in the original Prism contract?

I seriously recommend you use it, don't sign a Sony drafted contract.

>>23459323
how ironic that they're supposed to be a zoomer corpo yet still adopts ancient nip managerial methods rumao, maybe sony told them to adopt it when they bought the shares

>>23459751
>kizuna ai, a corpo, invents vtubing
>tsukino mito, a corpo, invents streaming and L2D vtubing
>hololive, a corpo, invents gfe idol vtubing
All major landmarks were invented by corpos.

Except for chaturbate vtubing, that was just Mel.
I guess at the end of the day the only hope we have outside corpos is the porn industry. I can't wait for personalized in-home vtubers you can hire who can control smart-sex machines to pleasure you

>>23459862
https://youtu.be/-Nsvs4939dI

>>23459937
I mean, they acquired New Japan Pro Wrestling, so getting into entertainment content unrelated to their core business (card games and mobile gacha, I guess) wouldn't be totally out of left field for them, and there's a lot of synergy and crossover potential with Hololive. Bushi has experience with idol production stuff, the fanbases share some overlap (normie weebs willing to shell out cash for cute anime girls), and something like a Hololive idol gacha game is an obvious no brainer that would print money like no tomorrow

>>23459563
There are ways to automate your goods and even for events there are new developments due to the Covid online streaming which caused a boom in the streaming services.

You can get Pixiv factory to completely automate the process of making your t-shirts and other goods and to sell them to customers through booth.
For voice goods it's even easier as you can sell it directly on a few sites with no shipping overhead.

For the live event part this may still need a more democratic solution, but I saw small live events being done on Twitcast, and even with VR on Cluster.
This part needs more development, but there could be a lot of money to make by making a generic scalable solution.

The advantage of indies is their reduced costs. They don't need to sell millions in goods to be profitable.

I think the current groups are profiting from a big wave of interest, but this interest is not something which usually lasts very long.
When something new comes to attract more attention they will be forgotten.

Prism Project needs to be fucking destroyed for letting Basedny get their grubby SJW hands into the VTuber industry. How the fuck did Pippa and Sakana let this happen? Pippa has connections to Vee and other rational Youtubers who are anti-SJW and would help prevent the company from being bought by Californians, and yet here we are. The only choice left is to treat them like zombies and blow their brains out so they can't be reanimated, otherwise Basedny will inevitably get ahold of Hololive and start censoring VTubers like Mori and Kiara.

>>23459707
vtubers are relatively new.

>>23460275
>Sony Music Japan is literally a different branch from what he’s talking about
whoa anon calm down

>>23460067
yeah, I don't know where that guy is coming from imagining there ever was some mythical better past where all the major players in vtubing were "indies" (or you'd have to stretch the definition of "indie" more than yo mama's asshole to reach that conclusion).

Vtubing was corporate right from the start (no surprise, given the upfront investment costs, especially in the past). The first four "heavenly kings", for example? All had company backings with production teams etc behind them

God fucking dammit, why must everything I enjoy be ruined by fucking jews?

>>23459363
I think the new meta will be various new and old Touhou singers and various other niche fandom musicians becoming vtubers and revitalizing their fanbases in that way.

Fuck me what horrible news. They just sold out to the literal blackest corpo there is.

>>23456592
>Crunchyroll
>VerseN
>now Prism
really?
>>23459477
seems like you're right

Who's the biggest Prism girl? Like Phase has Pippa, Kawaii has Nene, Cyberlive has Emma, but I don't really know anybody (relatively) successful from Prism.

>>23460338
I don't think you can reach him, he's way too deep in the delusion of his own imagined intelligence.

>>23460370
Not enough people fight back. Most of them are complicit.

>>23460355
Eilene had a grass eating company?

>>23460424
Shiki

>>23460424
Luto. Shiki used to be big but she reclined fairly heavily and is now the queen of dead subs.

>>23460424
Shiki and Luto are some of the biggest smaller corpo vtubers.

>>23460424
Technically it's Shiki, but she just got really lucky with YT algorithms. So Luto.

>>23458988
>>23460370

>>23457084
Verse isn't really their project, they're just collaborating with the other company which is the one managing it.

>>23456979
It will just be like 774.inc

>>23460424
Should be Shiki and Luto. They usually hang around 100-150 ccv pretty low, even for a small corpo..

>>23460067
>>23460355
I enjoyed the 4 king era and pre recorded videos more then this era. corporations also ruined that era with the AI clone situation and Luna's situation. corpos are just bad in general is what im saying

>>23460287
Kizuna debuted in 2016, soon to be followed by many. Utaite were a thing almost decade before.

>>23460672
Yura has the same ccv too. Yura has a big JP presence now thanks to Kson

>>23460566
>says its sony funding it
>says its sony making it
>says its sony doing the auditions
>says sony right on their trademarked designs
>its not sony
You shills are fucking embarrassing

>>23456592
>They will assume responsibility for the main management and production for PRISM Project.
Captain is out?

>>23460275
Holy schizo macaroni, Anonchama, are you so stupid that you mistake Prism Project for Phase Connect, by any chance?

Otherwise your question of "how did Pippa and Sakana let this happen" (who are Phase Connect) makes no sense, and even if it did, what influence would Pippa and Sakana from Phase Connect have to prevent a deal of the unrelated Prism Project and Sony?

>otherwise Basedny will inevitably get ahold of Hololive and start censoring VTubers like Mori and Kiara.
?? Mori and Kiara aren't anything that comes to mind when you'd think of "edgy/anti-sjw/right-wing" vtubers, they are pretty much as bland, normie-compatible and mainstream as everyone else in Holocorp. What would there need to be "censored"? (In case you forgot, they are already tightly restricted by Cover corp in the first place).

And Sony buying Hololive, eeh, they have their fingers in so many other pies already. But if you want to already get pre-angry about things, at least direct your ire at the person actually responsible if that happens, Yagoo and the other current shareholders/investors of Cover, who'd use that opportunity to cash out.

>>23460398
i like the anime streaming monopoly, it was hard considering 2-3 anime streaming platforms. crunchy is all we need now.

>>23460933
>crunchy is all we need now.
You need to learn how to use the internet instead of supporting shitty companies.

>>23460933
Crunchyroll is a failing platform. Their CEO quit this month

>>23460808
https://verse-n.com/en/
>Creative Direction: maxilla
>©Sony Music Labels Inc. & Helixes, Inc.

https://twitter.com/helixesinc

At least look around for a bit first.

>>23460933
That was referring to Hime (orange ninja mascot) not the streaming service

>>23460825
The one at the helm cashing out, a tale as old as time. How much do you think he got paid?

>>23460787
Has it really been 7 years? oh god...

>>23461069

>>23459078
Even the prism discord is losing it, no one is stupid enough to think Snoy is a good idea

>>23461069
>©Sony Music Labels Inc.
They only copyright the vsinger's song if I'm not mistaken. The talent and their stream contents are managed by Maxilla and sponsored by Mouse.

>>23461039
i like to throw some money at starving artists even when companies take most of the cut
some of us can relate more to this then others

>>23460808
Sony is not funding it, they (maxilla) have to pay Sony to produce song for their vsingers. (i speculate that this is why their vsingers Alba and Oto-chan has shit 3D model when they debuted due to budget restraint. Now they mostly used their png to stream) And the shit thing is the copyrights are owned by Sony.
I don't understand Japan sometimes.

Guess I'm a PRISM anti now
Thanks Sony!

>>23461143
And maxilla is a creative department of Helixes.

>>23461128
I put groomercords on a level above Twitter and Reddit.

>>23460787
It feels as if it happened yesterday.
This new vtuber concept was created by her desire to connect with the world, and to start a new life with a different identity where she could be her real self.
All the drama was caused by the opposition between her original self and her real self when she had to face the bad management of a corporation.
She managed to overcome her issues and heal, and the result was her taking a pause once her initial goal was reached.

I wonder in what form she will come back, and what her future dream is going to be.

>>23461349
It might be a live2d, my bad.
>>23461382
What's next? You are going to tell me Sony own Helixes Inc.?

>>23460566
At best its the same shit they pulled with Luna.

>>23461069
This is fucking marketing agency and ideaguy central, holy shit.
From maxilla site:
>We maxilla is a creative agency/visual production based in Tokyo. From strategic planning to music video, we dedicate our souls to design idea through various types of output forms.

The only thing helixes does over maxilla is talent management.
No wonder Verse is completely dead in the water.

>>23461478
I think they do have fans in Japan.

>>23461599
Tons of fan apparently.
The Phase Connect JP girls literally get better numbers than them.

>>23456643
This is great news for the girls:
> Access to corpo money and resources.
> Unlimited permissions for all Sony games.
> Any of the girls wanting to sing now has access to many resources in the music industry.
> Karaokes for all Sony owned music can monetized.

>>23461763
So? You said they are dead in water.
I rebuked and said they do have fans, I never compared them to anything, I just wanna prove that they are not dead, like zero fans kind of dead.

>>23459861
it varies week to week but she does 1-2 streams a week in US prime time hours and 3-4 streams a week in JP prime time hours. she does a pretty good job alternating language depending on the flow of chat

>>23459323
>>23460014
Their overseas branches barely made any profit you retards. If anything they gave a lot of time for that.
What the ydid also isn't "ancient nip method" but what a company does when a branch isn't doing well for years, either shut it down or merge the entire thing

>>23461805
None of Sony vtubers ever got this much despite working under the label. The best they can hope for is being forgotten and not used like a corporate accessories.

>>23461879
Thanks anon, i’ll try and catch her jp primetime streams.

>>23462002
>they gave a lot of time
Yea they gave no support and let them rot with alot of time indeed.

>>23457649
lol, lmao even
PRISM is gonna dying before Tsunderia officially goes out of business

>>23461831
even the deadest of vtubers have at least 100 subs
do you think they got 100 fans according to that? what the fuck is wrong with your corpo shills

>>23462033
NijiID had more official programs and events than even EN has had so far. KR was mismanaged from the start but that wasn't the case with ID.

>>23462033
are you saying that letting them use the Nijisanji name doesn't count as a lot of support?

>>23457649
They now have Prism Shogun. It's the Vtuber Sengoku Era.

>>23462128
That's actually a humiliation to the KR members.
If you are Korean you will understand.

>>23462033
Yeah, gave no support, no, imagine. ID never had anything, just many ID events, sponsorship, merchandise and a lot of things in 2 years. KR I can understand, most of the management from it came from 541 anyway, but ID? EN? Please.

If you call anykara a black company you might need to look at wactor with what they do or react which has more graduated members than active ones.

>>23462128
lol
lmao

>>23462128
ID had and EN have it. KR always has been a mess. So you and the other anon dont really know what you both are talking about.

You watch Nijisanji ID?
Seriously?
I don't even know they exist.

>>23462128
Ah yes the nijisanji name support, where you get a grand total of 9 viewers

>>23462163
After the coco situation and censoring haachama and the culling of thousands of videos lost to time do people really think hololive is any less of a black company then anykara?

>>23458783
God I fucking hate Sony so much. Their managers need to be hung. Backwards fuckers like this region-locking internet content need to suffer. That shit doesn't need to exist in this day, it's fucking dumb.

>>23462273
Yeah, I'm sure all of the EN and JP who get 100k in less than a month get it because of their efforts.

>>23462329
>EN
Those whores already established their fanbase before they "debut".

>>23462273
>>23462128
>>23462033
outside of a non-nijisanji thread having the retards talking about it, what do you even count as support?

This is how I know that PRISM is dead now
You had a good run not-Gura. With any luck you fucked off outta there before they stole your assets

>>23462329
Truly hololive is a amazing company that lets their talent get away with streaming once a month and milking fans of their money and then insulting them. Yagoo is such a amazing guy am i right everyone?

>>23462364
Ahhhh yes, makes total sense. They had less than 200, 100 viewers and somehow they got 15k watching their debuts with lazulight alone. Makes total sense anon!

>>23456592
It's all part of fishman's plan. Sony will crash Prism and Phase will be there to pick up the pieces.

>>23456643
Remember Kaguya Luna? Sony acquired her and then she disappeared forever.

>>23460067
>>kizuna ai, a corpo, invents vtubing
lol

>>23462506
This is true tho. Who else is recognized as the primogenitor of vtubing?

>>23462567

>>23462567
lol

>>23462506
im sure the other vtubers and agencies appearing after her and the industry beginning was just a coincidence

>>23462467
she became part of Sacra Music, a subsidiary of SME (Japan). you can't just talk about Sony as a blanket entity, their entire structure is intentionally designed around divisions and subsidiaries having a high degree of independence

>>23462671
Nobody gives a fuck. The first and final word comes from the top, which is Sony.

>>23462654
>invented
lol

>>23462671
High degree of incompetence, you mean.

>sony shills invading the board desperately trying to defend their company
Why waste your breath? You'll get better results on reddit,they eat up all the shit.

>>23462609
Eileen? She's a pngtuber. If you would want to go by that then internet historian would fall under vtuber too.

>>23463020
You mean annoying orange, who still as much as it makes /vt/ seethe, is a vtuber by all definitions

>>23460387
>new meta
You mean the meta that happened back in 2019-2020, I guess.

>>23463084
No, the one that would truly take the cake is Max Headroom

>>23459461
They're only releasing like 20% of all shares, making a hostile acquisition impossible.
Anycolor will only be sold if Riku decides to sell it.

>>23458969
Isn't that all the more reason to buy Cover and clean house to turn it into a more China-friendly company?
That's how the Chinese usually operate, they're very pragmatic when it comes to business. Nijisanji is already in Bilibili's pocket but they want access to the Hololive audience again and the easiest way to do that would be outright buying them.

>>23463646
>he doesn't know
Not anymore. Nijisanji is going public now

>>23462157
The remaining KR members leech JP harder than their ancestors leeched the semen from Japanese balls. They don't care about humiliation.

>>23463869
>The remaining KR
You know some of them are not Korean right?
The rest are forced to kowtow to Japan to continue streaming.

>>23463761
Anykara is owned by Chinese.
They are forced to shutdown their virtual prostitution business because the Chinks shareholders are angry.

>>23460067
At the very least, those were new and relatively small corpos that grew alongside vtubing and by large dedicated themselves to it. If a soulless behemoth of a company enters the picture, likely to go "we know better" and drive whatever they touch to the ground, it's a bit different.

>>23463869
>>23463982
KR has been mainly doing JP streams since 2020 retards...
>>23464030
Riku owns 43% of the shares, the other two chinese companies own less than 15%. and as >>23463646 says, they didn't issue all of their shares as IPO, only part of it

>>23464030
https://twitter.com/hirokawa_style/status/1519562723440590848
Not sure what that has to do with them going public

I'll believe that Sony does good in the vtubing scene when they actually do it. Reputations are earned and Prism is not in the best place with Sony if we go by reputations alone.

>>23456592
PRISM CHADS KEEP WINNING

>>23464155
>Riku owns 43% of the shares
He also owns Skyland Ventures, which owns enough Anycolor shares to bring his total ownership to over 50%.

>>23464325
People have warped opinions of these giant multinational companies. Their reputations are pretty much randomly built off who they hire for these positions, usually through outsourcing. Sony is just a brand and their management will likely be people who worked in the music or anime industries and have minimal experience with vtubers, not the same people who worked on Kaguya Luna. Whether they're obsessed with climbing the corporate ladder or average salarymen just trying to do their job well is a total crapshoot but it's possible they luck out and get chill management that give them autonomy as long as it doesn't upset the higher ups or risk lawsuits.

>>23464155
>KR has been mainly doing JP streams
yeah that sounds pretty retarded

>>23464402
>Riku owns Skyland Ventures
Sauce?

as a prism fan I unironically think this is good
I was afraid the company would stagnate to irrelevance, maybe the money and opportunities presented to them now can change the course

>>23464382
Captain got bailed out by Sony. Also, males would probably be coming soon

Soon

>>23464948
just like versen
and kaguya luna

>>23464969
How does Prism stay in the red but Phase makes money?

>>23464969
>almost a year ago
>no males
It's as if the winning move is not involving males tho.

>>23464969
>Japanese management allowing girls to even breath the same air as the boys
kek

>>23465053
If ever, Hololive would be the big juicy target.

>>23458242
PC isn't very "professional" despite being a legit company. I don't think they can handle suits the same way Prism can.

>>23465147
What is Nijisanji

>>23456592
That jt. Vtubing is kill

>>23465165
I could see them going after Niji as well, though Holo would be their main target

>>23465147
Sony is californian

Prism will now be one of the big three now
bow down to Hololive , Nijisanji and Prism trinity

>>23456592
I will never forgive them for what they did to Kaguya Luna.

>>23465346
>Getting the Tsunderia girls inside Sony-Prism was Slugma's counter to the Fishman

>>23464682
like the first wave of English vtuber fans, the nascent Korean vtuber community was comprised of people that watched vtubers because they were interested in things Japanese. some members joined because they wanted to be Korean vtubers while others joined because they wanted to be Nijisanji vtubers which meant interacting with the Japanese branch that they were watching and inspired by. the fact that the branches biggest claim to success came from the gen that spoke Japanese right out of the gate (Bora), it was clearly a sore spot even internally considering the whole Ara thing was driven in large part by nationalist resentment for members primarily using Japanese.
the Korean vtuber community was pretty small at the time NijiKR launched and while it's growing its not that much larger now. even today outside of Woowakgood's vtubers like ISEGYE IDOL (Woowakgood is the largest non-esports streamer in Korea), it's still pretty small. breaking 1k viewers is considered a huge accomplishment for Korean vtubers.

>>23465346
Prism is a dead man walking the green mile under Sony

>>23460067
Mito did not invent any of that, come on now. Both were widespread already when Nijisanji debuted.

>https://youtu.be/oP44Sr5u-F0
>https://youtu.be/W2sJTgVVxCA
Both of them are graduatinfg in the next 3 months

>>23458783
I'm subscribed to the Fujima Sakura YT channel, I actually got the notification she did a livestream and was pissed I couldn't watch it. Fuck Sony.

>>23458928
All the best chuuba content in the past 2 years has come from hololive, what are you smoking?

>>23459619
Holo is partially owned by the talents (FBK having the highest shares), so any sellout decisions will need to go through them as well. And idk I think holos are mostly satisfied with how the company is going.

>>23456592
RIP PRISM, I liked multiple of their chuubes even if they don't stream when I can watch them

>>23467598
>Holo is partially owned by the talents (FBK having the highest shares)
There is no source for that.

>>23459619
Hololive is too big to be bought by Bushiroad. Even Sony would have to drop in the big bucks to even get their board to even accept an offer.

If anything, a merger of equals is more likely to happen.

>>23467410
My condolence

>>23467762
Ever wonder why FBK got kuro persona. She is the shadow manager. The cold, calculating one in the holo triumvirate.

Why would she do that?

>>23456592
oh cool prism is dead too. Now I'll just wait for Kawai's death so I can finally stop watching vtubers.

Can Sony really be as bad as PRISM management already was?

>>23468061
What would you realistically value Hololive at? Usually it's some metric like "x multiple of annual revenues" (including goodwill and growth projections etc).

Is information about Hololive/Cover's total finance numbers publicly available somewhere?

From my armchair economist position I would estimate a realistic acquisition price being somewhere in the high tens of millions$ (or low hundreds of millions$ if they find the right idiot willing to overpay that much). Which is certainly not nothing, but also nothing a multi-billion dollar company like Bushi or especially Sony and similar media giants wouldn't be able to afford if they really wanted to.

>>23468061
it's not just about being willing, it's also about willingness to sell.
I never got the impression that Cover or Yagoo were in it to make money, so there's very little chance of them willing to sell the company, even with extraordinary amounts of money.
(and there are the JP laws about foreign ownership of Japanese companies to consider as well).

>>23465260
They're talking about Mindbreak BL rn and how being an asshole is hot so yeah
https://twitter.com/fujikurauruka

>>23469130
I value Hololive at over $500 Million USD. Unironically.

AnyColor is pinning for a valuation of around $350 Million. I don't know if they'll get it, but their profit margins are high enough that investors will try to bite on the possibly cheap stock to get themselves some easy dividend stock on the cheap. Hololive is another beast entirely. They have 1/3 of the talent pool, but bring in significantly more money overall.

Did I mention this is the conservative estimate?

>>23456592
Im not giving donations to a soulless mega corp.

>>23470030
I don’t give donations to hololive either

>>23470076
168 million a year vs 11 billion

>>23458783
you guys dont understand how huge of a fuckup sony was with 22/7 management. amaki sally WOULD have been kiryu coco 2 years earlier, but they made her stop uploading videos. a year and a half later, coco starts and vtubing explodes in 2020 instead of 2018.

they are worthless retards, through and through.

>>23470666
That confirms it. RIP Prism.

>>23457187
Fourth. There's also still the 50 chuuba thing called Project VEE, although nothing has come out of this yet.

>>23470199
What am I supposed to get from this comparison?

>>23471113
probably comparing Holo and Sony earnings but not sure what exact point he was trying to make, probably something like Holo will eventually sell out because buy out money too good.

Nia...

>>23456592
They will buy nijidanji anyway so they will forget about this 2view things pretty quickly

>>23471651
Being forgotten and left to their own devices is probably a better fate for the Prism girls than having black suits breathing down their neck 24/7.

>>23471195
I interpreted it as
>168 million with soul vs 11 billion soulless
Just shooting in the dark, though.

>>23470666
>they made her stop uploading video
I am still mad about this, I remember Sally said she has alot of ideas for her uploads but got stopped by the management. They are very hesitant when she said she is going to create her personal youtube channel but in the end they give her the green light but with condition that she needs to let them check her videos before she upload them on her channel.

I hope they pick up Melissa

>>23457063
>caused Kaguya Luna to graduate

I may enjoy their Playstations but I will never forgive them for robbing us of all 4 kings showing up at Oyabun's last live.

>>23457084
Classic business corporate tactic is to buy out your competition, harvest internal/technical staff, and integrate their features into your own competing products, compelling users towards your own offering. Or just to kill off a product so you don't have to innovate and compete.

>>23471778
I think it's possible.

>>23457982
Victor would be even worse but not by much

thanks doomposting tourists
no one has ever talked about prism this much
sony marketing already kicking in and working

>>23472602
>Talking about Prism
Yes.
>Talking about the girls in Prism
No. Not nearly enough.
Tsunderia, Cyberlive, and Phase yabs all talked about the girls 80% and the company 20% but Prism discussion is 40% the company, 5% the girls and 55% Sony and its history. Low conversion.

>>23472831
this is not really a yabe and unironcially 5% is a upgrade for prism here.

>>23465053
That would be an utter nightmare, I am not sure that vtubing has become big enough for the mouse to notice.

>>23465053
>>23473231
Already happening

>>23456592
Time to drop em

>>23469995
>I value Hololive at over $500 Million USD. Unironically.
Okay, this would be on the very high end of what I would deem realistic, but hey, I've seen enough outrageous deals that I'm not surprised by investors overvaluing stocks anymore.

>I don't know if they'll get it, but their profit margins are high enough that investors will try to bite on the possibly cheap stock to get themselves some easy dividend stock on the cheap.
Has Anykara even announced that they're going to be paying dividends? Usually a startup growth company rather reinvests all their earnings into more growth, and dividends is more a thing for companies who are already mature enough that they don't need or see more growth opportunities that need reinvestment and would rather pay out surplus earnings to shareholders.

>>23470199
>168 million a year
What is that number, and where can I review it? Is that Cover's latest annual revenues, in dollar? If so, not bad - also, the one source of income we can easily track publicly (superchats) is just a minor fraction of that, interesting another confirmation that the majority of money is actually made elsewhere instead (and how retarded and insignificant in the grand scheme of things all the dickwaving by noomberbrains over comparing superchat incomes really is)

>>23473744
>>23469995
How the fuck do people evaluate these companies to hundreds of millions? The fad is gonna die in 2 or 3 years. It can't survive for a whole 10 years especially anykara.

>>23460711
Honestly I always felt the AI clone situation was overblown. Looking back on it, obviously it's stupid. But it was the first time anyone dealt with a similar situation and their idea was that AI was a character not the seiyuu, so there's no problem having multiple people behind her since you could do the same thing for an anime or vidya character.
Especially in the older days when the content was all scripted anyways, AI was basically literally just a seiyuu.

a lot of numbers being thrown around but none of these numbers are out of range for a Sony buyout
SONY BANZAI

>>23465090
They're probably both playing with numbers.
Being in the red sounds better to gain support from fans.
Being in the black sounds better to potential investors.

>>23456592
What will happen to Naki?
Prison Project has become real?

>>23474066
They did absolutely fumble it. Even if you go with the "the vtuber is just a character, not the VA" copexcuse, people are still emotionally invested in the VA with the character and very sensitive to changes (so that even in traditional media like anime etc., changes in seiyuu for a character are done only very rarely and only out of necessity, otherwise avoided for as long as possible).

Ai's team could've communicated the intended changes much better (or even at all, instead of only playing damage control after the fact), or even introduced them as clearly distinct new characters instead of just sneaky "Ai clones", so the "they're trying to swap out our girl!" narrative wouldn't have taken hold in the first place. But alas, the whole project was mismanaged down the line and is now lost to the times of irrelevancy anyways and at best just serves as a learning lesson for other current/future corpos

>>23474281
It was certainly a fumble just not nearly as bad as people claim.
You have to remember it wasn't just them being jews, AI was extremely overworked at the time, this was their way of trying to keep the momentum while easing her workload.

They fucked it up and I'm sure money was the bigger motivator, but it wasn't nearly as bad imo as people make it out to be.

>>23474066
AI clones made me an upd8 anti, and I hope all corpos rot in hell.

>>23456592
Can't believe Prism Project died so soon. I guess only Phase Connect might survive in the end...

That reminds me whatever happened to that netflix corpo vtuber? I only watched one video because she was super boring

>>23474281
If the new actors had been introduced as "Ai's sisters" with their own names and designs it would have created Hololive before Hololive. Japanese management just too shortsighted as usual.

>>23460808
the word shill is really meaningless coming from retards like you

>>23456740
They (SME) own like half of niji so idk if that's a failure.

>>23458988
no no that's this
https://twitter.com/idol_corp/

>>23471778
HELL NAHHH! All vsingers know to not making deals with SME after the luna incident. Only niji still signed up with them since SME also handle their merchs

>>23464138
But that isn't really a thing? Nearly all of the current companies that take up the mindshare of vtuber fans were grown within vtubing. I think Ichikara is half and half?

>>23470030
Youtube(Google) takes 30% of all of your superchats

>nijiEN is selling out to Chinks
>prism literally sold out to Sony
>tsunderia dying and on fire
>kawaii project is showing their nipples on stream
I can't believe vshojo is the only thing saving western vtubing.

>>23478005
>>kawaii project is showing their nipples on stream
Wait...what?

>>23478047
One of the Kawaii girls was revealed to have fully drawn tits and nipples on her model and it was accidentally (lol) shown on stream. I don't have an image but I'm sure /pkg/ will provide you with one.

>>23456592
>Sony buys hololive
>Hololive gets a Playstation exclusive idol managing/rhythm game among other things.
>But hololive has to follow "global standards" and loses it's soul.
Was it worth it?

>buy big name vtuber
>run her into the ground
>debut your own agency
>no one cares
>buy another agency
>????

>>23478116
A plurality of models have at the very least a full nude mode. Not having that brings insurmountable issues to the task of obtaining new outfits. Live2D works by emulating the way real life clothes work by treating them as continuous yet discrete layers. By the same token breasts are a multitude of layers that move against eachother.
If you can stand Twitch, 2wintails goes over the process at least twice a week on account of being a major rigging streamer. Brian Tsui on YT does the same.

>>23463684
>Isn't that all the more reason to buy Cover and clean house to turn it into a more China-friendly company?
Buy Hololive to instantly remove 80% of the talents? Only IRyS, Council, PonX and ID3 would survive the purge due to not being part of the company at the time of the Taiwan arc, not to mention you'd inevitably have members leaving due to the purge
You really think skeleton Hololive could survive?

>>23478450
They'd just go over Twitter interactions and public statements with a fine comb in a way that'd put the average /vt/ schizo to shame and go from there.

>>23478392
Your oshi has nipples lmao.

>>23478286
Sony's global standards are pretty much Holo's standards already.

>>23478631
Not really they told chinks to fuck off and are still very much in favor of providing fanservise.
If basedny bought them you could look foward to the de-lolification of the talents, sakura miko being forced to apologize for saying nigga and likely forced to graduate, no more fanservise of any kind.
Basically Sony would think that somehow shining a light and apologizing for "mistakes" would make hololive more popular instead of inviting the canceling crowd in to destroy everything.

>>23467598
Nice rrats

>>23457458
I’m proud of her. The only former star to truly rise up again past her previous peak.

>>23457458
if Luna has a better career after Sony then why does it matter. If any of the PRISM girls can graduate and have bigger careers after attempting to leech off Sony then good for them.

>>23479338
Lunas PL was extremely popular and she was one of the biggest vtubers to ever exist. It's a bit different than the prism girls.

>>23459011
>Some people just want to live in a house not in a van
DOWN BY THE RIVER

>>23459979
you mean chinks and nijiniggers right?

>>23475790
I can kind of see the rationality behind it, everyone was tuning in just to see her. So making more of her would be the way to go, right? Still short sighted though.

>>23465090
Phase has higher numbers, more/actual merch and doesn't do stupid things like not unlocking youtube memberships until the talent has reached a certain size far beyond the actual requirements. I think even some of their gen 1 girls don't have memberships open yet.

>>23465337
You are retarded and wrong with your shitty half-knowledge, anon. Please improve.

>>23469708
>>23465260
Being professional doesn't mean that you never have fun and don't let your talents talk about anything except life insurance policies. That's a very childish and superficial interpretation.
Being professional means being qualified, reliable and efficient.

>>23458783
Sally is a menhera,even more so because she also suffers from california brain rot

ok

(((botflys)))
>>23460830
>>23478595

>>23458075
>>23458246
>sheep is really cute
no she is not, she needs another avatar ASAP