/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>23408737
LUST!

Touhou memes?

Starting!
https://www.twitch.tv/nadechama

>>23409655
Does this qualify?
https://twitter.com/BarmyBrock/status/1520159978916614144

Will the Touhou Man come?

>>23409536
I don't know. Maybe?

I wonder if her wants include the proportions...

So Nade 1.0 was sans-serif, Nade 2.0 was serif, and Nade 2.1 is cursive?

I'm very confused as to what she's talking about right now.

>>23413050
Someone probably asked her "you're a streamer? what do you do?" and she started thinking about it.

>>23413419
Seems like you were pretty close.

>>23413050
My turn. She's talking about eating legos now

KongouVT in chat now

>>23415414
I will never forgive him for making Carol disappear

>>23415414
Who?

>>23415592
Malechuuba who's definitely doesn't lurk in /weeveetee/.

>>23415592
resident 2view groomer "vtuber"

>>23415889
it's been such a long time since we last had to worry about groomers

RATE

>>23416456
Finally managed to catch a stream / 10
Comfy drawing stream with some deep topics I had trouble following. Looking forward to her ASMR stream tomorrow

>>23415592
I've seen some of his streams and collabs before, didn't seem too bad. Granted I don't know much of the story of what >>23415562 is talking about, only snippets, so I won't judge, he's just coming in and enjoying some Nade.
>>23416456
She's been thinking a lot, pondering what can help make her stand out as a vtuber, a bit existential maybe? She'll figure it out eventually I'm sure, these sorts of thoughts can be tough to sort through. Art was cute though.
>>23410086
Oh shit, thanks for the archival of a great moment.

>>23416456
Nade's been pretty existential lately.
Sounds like she wants a stronger brand/selling-point beyond "VTuber", with "ASMR VTuber" being one possible route she's looking into. Even though people keep telling her she has god-level zatsu skills, she doesn't consider that a viable brand.
Right now she doesn't consider herself particularly good at anything. Or rather, she's good at some things (like dancing) but she can't bring them over to her VTuber persona easily.

>>23416456
Sanae has big boobs/10

Nade said she should be getting the rough art for her new model from the artist soon, and that it will let her move forward with other art assets since she'd have something to show to other artists.
She seems to be trying to figure out what she can be known for as a vtuber. I think it ties back to the identity stuff she's talked about before, and figuring out who you are. She wants to find something she considers herself good at, and that other people can recognize her for. Hopefully she can find what she wants within the ASMR medium.

>>23418041
doesn't she want to be an idol and likes singing?
why isn't she trying karaoke vtuber route

>>23420137
Doesn't think it's worth doing something on-stream unless she can do it well. She's done karaoke a total of... twice I think? And one was unarchived. Her singing was muffled because she didn't want to bother other people in the house.

>>23416456
The conversation got really messy surrounding where Nade wants to take her vtubing. She's on the right track by asking the question, but I fear there's a misunderstanding of what role the terms subjective and objective play here. It's down to each viewer (the subject) to experience what they consume and individually come to like it or not, hence the term. Obviously, there will be areas where quality can be considered objective or at least have near universal consensus but there are going to be decisions you have to make that can't be measured like that. It's akin to genre if you were writing a book, choosing between a grounded historical setting or something more fantastical, for example.

Two ways to go about this are to find out what will appeal to the largest group of people, or to make the kind of content she likes and hope enough like minded people exist and are able to find her. I prefer the second approach because even though you only have yourself to go on, you should be able to understand your own preferences very well and make something that appeals deeply to the kind of person you are and, in theory, appeal on a deeper level to those who it resonates with as well.

Going for broad appeal is essentially the numbers game and I think everyone in chat understands that, at least on an intuition level. So I then think it threw everyone off when she asked about what's popular. Like the nuances between a witch and a mage it's difficult to compile a useful response in time to keep up with the conversation. The differences between what can be considered best practices and chasing trends can get complex and will be different depending on what you want to do. Obviously you should be aware of what other people in your field are doing so you can see what works and what doesn't. And obviously you should strive to make the content that makes you, as a creator, happy instead of chasing trends. But there's an ocean of discussion to be had about everything in between. I just hope she came away less confused from this, rather than more so.

>>23418041
>Right now she doesn't consider herself particularly good at anything.
Part of the problem is that streaming is already a specialization of video creation. So she's asking for a specialization within a specialization at this point and if the keeps going she'll end up putting herself into a very small box. Hosting a lively discussion the way she does is already similar to a talk show with a lot more audience interaction. I suspect she's too zoomed in onto what she's doing and can't see the forest for the trees anymore.

>>23419520
>identity stuff
Being able to define your content is important for determining steps to advance said content as well as for promotional purposes (the so-called elevator pitch). But self identity is a mental trap because it does not exist. Nade can be an ASMRtist as a hobby or an occupation but she can never fully define herself as that alone. For example, at this moment I can show her to be more of a touhou doujin artist than an ASMR streamer. She's demonstrated significant knowledge of the Touhou story and is a capable enough artist to draw her own model. She could surely produce at least a passable comic were she to pick up a pen and draw one. In contrast her previous attempts at ASMR have seen her unintentionally switching back to zatsu style discussion and what were supposed calming sounds made against the mic often come in far too harshly. (Sorry, Nade. Here's hoping the new mic helps turn things around.)

>she's good at some things (like dancing) but she can't bring them over to her VTuber persona easily.
I wonder why she isn't more interested in body tracking. The equipment for it would be in the same ballpark as the ASMR mic. Is it maybe because she's less familiar with the tech than with ASMR?

>>23416595
If anything I say above is still confusing, it's probably a sign that I'm off the mark or misinterpreting something so take my words with a grain of salt.

>>23420137
>karaoke
My one wish.

>>23421500
I agree
when she asked "what's popular" that appeared like a red flag
like I don't think that's the right approach to vtubing one should have

>>23422120
My thoughts are that she was asking more about "what works." Or what's shown to work because it's commonly done and tends to have a good audience reaction. It sounds like she's trying to branch out, starting with ASMR, so she's looking for some quality examples she can shoot for, rather than wanting to seek content that appeals to the lowest common denominator. I guess, keeps sending her those ASMR examples. Maybe link to a specific time code or use youtube's clipping feature if you can find something in particular to highlight so she doesn't have to watch the whole video to get the point. She did initially phrase the question more widely than just ASMR, so if you see any other content examples you think may be worth a try, it'd be worth it to send her that too.

>>23421500
She's sometimes made these "what's popular" questions in the past, and whenever she considers them I always think back to the Fall Guys stream. A lot of popular content involves first time playthroughs, and she is not the type to show anyone her first playthroughs of things. Karaoke's a dream that might always remain one considering her setup.

>>23423619
>Karaoke's a dream that might always remain one
Thinking about this hurts. I care about quality but at the same time I just want to hear her sing for us, I don't care about the quality. Hearing her sing makes me really happy.

>Fall Guys
This game's responsiveness is pretty awkward, presumably to make it so even skilled players still get knocked out a lot. I wish she would play more 3D platformers, or 3D games in general, specifically ones that don't have bad controls on purpose.

>>23421500
>So I then think it threw everyone off when she asked about what's popular. Like the nuances between a witch and a mage it's difficult to compile a useful response in time to keep up with the conversation.
It's become harder to give Nade in-depth feedback since she stopped coming here. Twitter requires you to keep things short and 100% positive, and doing it on-stream means you can only talk about a very specific topic for a short time without putting a lot of thought into it.

Sometimes it feels like Nade is frustrated by the lack of useful, thought-out feedback she's getting, as opposed to "we like everything you do, so your choices don't matter". But there aren't any good ways to give it.

>>23418041
>Or rather, she's good at some things (like dancing) but she can't bring them over to her VTuber persona easily.
>>23420137
>doesn't she want to be an idol and likes singing?
>why isn't she trying karaoke vtuber route
I think Nade's decided to keep that part of her life separate from her vtuber identity. She said herself that she can't bring her real life stuff onto her stream.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1471125245?t=1h5m45s
I think she has good reasons to want to keep things separated too.

>>23422120
>>23423619
I think Nade's going about things the wrong way. If she wants to be popular then the better strategy would be trying to get in early on new trends rather than trying to catch up to what's popular now. Though I'd rather she just focus on things she's passionate about and that she enjoys instead of trying to chase popularity. That's why I'm excited for the ASMR, from what she's said it's actually something she watches, and she seems pretty excited about starting it.

>>23423619
>and she is not the type to show anyone her first playthroughs of things.
That's always been a headscratcher to me. As an idol fan she obviously knows how watching someone's journey of improvement is a big part of it, yet she doesn't want to share those beginning parts with us.

>>23424328
>I wish she would play more 3D platformers, or 3D games in general, specifically ones that don't have bad controls on purpose.
Since she has a capture setup for her Switch now, maybe she could play one of the 3D Mario games on stream. I think they'd be good places to start out.

>>23424779
There's always marshmallow.

>>23424328
>Thinking about this hurts. I care about quality but at the same time I just want to hear her sing for us, I don't care about the quality. Hearing her sing makes me really happy.
Same. It feels like Nade is holding back with her singing, to the point where I can't get a good feel for her actual skill level. I want her to use the streams as an opportunity to practice and get more comfortable with it. Coco was a god-awful singer and knew it, but she managed to climb up to an acceptable level by doing karaoke-stream grinds.

Nade love

>>23424914
>There's always marshmallow.
Does Nade even read those when she's not having a Q&A stream?

>>23424914
>I think Nade's decided to keep that part of her life separate from her vtuber identity. She said herself that she can't bring her real life stuff onto her stream.
>https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1471125245?t=1h5m45s
Incredibly vague. I should have expected as much. This could mean no more karaoke, dance, or handcam streams, or it could mean merely that she has to keep from sharing certain stories with us so as not to reveal her exact location.

>capture setup
Hasn't the delivery been delayed for a really long time? I would have expected her to at least tweet about it if she didn't tell us on stream.

>>and she is not the type to show anyone her first playthroughs of things.
>That's always been a headscratcher to me.
She thinks we won't like watching her when she's frustrated at the game. I like Nade for Nade by now but I suppose she may have a point when it comes to more casual watchers. There's a certain attitude I've seen where one expresses frustration in an entertaining way, though it's self deprecating in a sense.

>>23428352
She says she does. In which case she isn't responding to them directly so it's hard to tell.

>>23421500
>I wonder why she isn't more interested in body tracking. The equipment for it would be in the same ballpark as the ASMR mic. Is it maybe because she's less familiar with the tech than with ASMR?
IIRC the camera-only tracking turned out to be surprisingly decent as long as she had a proper backdrop set up, and the main obstacles were timeslots and her family being around.

Maybe it's in that sweetspot where there's just enough jank that she feels like she needs proper tracking gear, but at the same time it's too small of an upgrade to justify the expense?

>>23431764
My hope is that we start to see prices come down on VR gear. The higher end tracking solutions look pretty good as is, and we're even starting to see devices that don't require base stations. Hopefully lower prices lead to mass adoption which in turn leads to rapid advancement of the technology due to the new demand.

>the main obstacles were timeslots and her family being around.
Has she considered soundproofing her bedroom and moving her streams back there?

The Touhou Man is drawing VTubers right now. Hint hint.
https://www.twitch.tv/walfas

>>23433479
Did he draw Nade or talk about the Touhou Man incident? I must have missed it.

>>23434164
He might if there are darklings in chat

>>23408737
Cute

>>23434164
He's doing it!

>>23433479
>>23438329
Touhou Man drawing White Nade with a flat chest...

>>23439847
>>23439603
Cute

>>23439847
Oh that's cute. Hope he wasn't pressured too much into it. Nade's gonna freak.

>>23439847
Seep looking cuter