/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>23110338

>>23110338
Shouldn you have books on
entertainment and improv
theory of fun
games
visual design
creativity

Peter Sotos of course.

>>23110338
Oi, what happened on my suggestion of Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky?

>Idoru not present

>>23110559
Well suggest some then
>>23110904
Notes from the Underground feels more apt as a representation of the viewer, rather than Crime and Punishment's focus on consistent delusions of grandeur

>>23110338
What the fuck that's actually a good list for understanding vtubers as a medium, Schmitt's there for the tribalfaggorty I guess?

>>23110443
Fpbp

>>23110338
There's no critique on pure reason? I thought I had already suggest that in the last thread

Unironically read anything that talks about the insides of the wrestling business

>>23110443
This french whore needs marriage correction for all the shit her people did

>>23110338
You forgot to add Mein Kampf, probably the most important book that anyone should read

>>23111092
Why would CPR help you understand chuubas at all? If anything I think The World as Will and Representation with it's heavy emphasis on aesthetics would be a better addition to the list

>>23111233
*blocks ur path*

>>23110338

I looked up one of these at random, Simulacra and Simulation, on Wikipedia. I understood the individual words, but that's about it. I guess I need an example or something. Or I'm just not smart enough for this shit. For the record I also failed at reading Ulysses. But I understood Stand on Zanzibar once I got into the flow of it.

So, what is the meaning of this list? Will the works listed help me understand why I like vtubers, or certain vtubers? Will they help me to become a vtuber, or a better vtuber? Why are any of these books being recommended?

>>23110338
No The Four Loves?

>>23112091
Everything here besides Fanged Noumena (schizo book thats actually very enlightening but a cancer read), Simulation and Simulacra (one of the hardest postmoden books to understand), A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do (written by David Foster Wallace, an author who's style is really hard to get into) and Phenomenology of Spirit (A novel by Hegel, a famously difficult to understand writer) should be readable to the average person.

>>23110338

>>23112091
>Will the works listed help me understand why I like vtubers, or certain vtubers?
Yes.
>Will they help me to become a vtuber, or a better vtuber?
Yes.
>Why are any of these books being recommended?
Here's the thing anonchama, learning how to think about things and live with that knowledge is one of the best ways to improve your life. It's the age old question dead white european men have been asking themselves since time immemorial. Asking yourself questions like
>what do our emotions and feelings mean
>where do they come from
>what can they tell us
and seriously thinking about them are a good way to find out the things about yourself you wouldn't even think about on a regular daily basis. These help you become a better vtuber fan, and a better vtuber as you know more about yourself, and thus know better how to interact with others

>>23110338
throw Philip K dick Valis into the mix

>>23112707
>gnostics
no

>>23110338
I've read most of those and come here just to falseflag and tribalpost and I don't even watch chuubas anymore so I'm not sure about your belief.

>wether
shit book about some faggot that couldnt even kill himself

>>23112814
just learn japanese lol

>>23111431
That company is exactly the reason that madr me recommend that book

>>23112091
>I understood the individual words, but that's about it. I guess I need an example or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6oekXIQ-LM&t=438s

>>23110443
fpbp

>>23110338
Huh, this list is actually good. I'd definitely add more fiction though, stuff like Phillip K Dick and the Culture series.
>>23112091
Wikipedia sucks for philosophy, their retarded editors ruin everything. Use Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy instead.

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>>23113447
touch grass

>>23113601
I did, it was wet and muddy, wouldn't recommend over philosophy

>>23110467
based, ESLs gtfo. english board

>>23113601
Ok, now what?

>>23113601
why

>>23113601
Consider you had patience to link so many posts, it's clear you need to touch grass.

>>23110338
Michael cat's book is enough

everyone on 4chan eneds to read confederacy of dunces

Now I think about it isn't this site kind of hive mind?
Not the kind where we are one person but the kind where everyone fulfils specialized role

>>23111102
Got any good books on the topic?

>>23110338
>hegel
wasn't he a commie or something? baka desu

>>23112598
ah fuck i wanted to post that.

>>23110338
kek. you cant learn anything from that hypocrite hegel or that autist benjamin today. honestly vtubers are much better than them.

modern western books suck shit. all of them are woke and the books pretending to address woke dont even show any pragmatic solutions to it or a new paradigm model. the west is finished. read some japanese shit instead of those dysfunctional ancient western garbage.

>>23119339
>>23119648
Rent free.

>>23110338
Most of these books are above the intellectual paygrade of the average user of this board.

>>23110338
I'll do you one better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
this should be required watching before anyone makes a single post on this board

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>>23110338 holy shit these types of comment just show you the people you're dealing with here. There's no way anyone will read picrel. Good post though anon

>>23123223
Nigger if we were interested in reading books we wouldn't be posting on 4chan now would we?

>>23123268
>>>/lit/
no you're just too braindead

Here's an actual, non-retarded video series you can watch. It's essentially an accessible, popularized version of column 1, row 2, Walter Benjamin. Probably the most relevant is episode two, as it's about women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDE4VX_9Kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1GI8mNU5Sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7wi8jd7aC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jTUebm73IY

>>23123507
>/lit/
>reading books
You're new here I take it?

>>23123268
No one tell this anon that /lit/ exists.

>>23123223
massively dumb woke nigger believes the 80s postmodernism garbage like baudrillard is worth reading today. as i said, these books dont even function today. can you beat woke by reading these. no. you cant make any new critique or story and socially get attention without pandering to woke fucks and woke media

vtubers are much better since they can be fun or interesting without woke trash

>>23123647
Its okay, you don't have to read anything but your math homework.

>>23123647
Have fun learning everything from Steven Crowder instead of reading, it'll definitely work out and you'll "beat woke" someday.

Asya by Ivan Turgenev shoss a good example of a Gosling.

>>23110338
What a weird way to come out of the closet.

>>23123923
you arent even selfaware of living in the postmodern world baudrillard randomly described back then, consuming the copies of copies with totally deconstrutcted/relativised zero cultural values . the west is fucked, is a postmodern cesspit full of literal cretins like you.

Who's willing to bet this anon >>23123647 says "clown world" without a hint of irony?

>>23124182
>we inhabit the bleak world baudrillard described
>baudrillard is completely useless and irrelevant, you cant learn anything from him
Pick one.

>>23124392
he and all postmodernists like derrida are useless today since none of you can objectify the current state of the western society as the postmodern society. you woke fucks would just believe "its a different society from our (woke) society" because you are already too braindamaged by woke. woke is the postmodern fucked up state with absolute relativism, but you cant accept it for the ideological and religious moral superiority reasons.

funnily enough, woke fucks in academia believe postmodernism is some moral standard they should practice kek. so they try to randomly deconstruct everything like CRT. the westerners have become like cokeheads in outer space.

>Plebbit spacing
>all lowercase
Leave him be.

>>23124884
>>>pol
go back to your board

>>23124182
Ogey

>>23123552
I assume you mean that in a "these books aren't the books I like so they dont read at all." kind of way.

>>23125130
>everything is politics. everything thats now woke is wrong.

as i said, this is why all of these books are literal trash today. if its not woke, you cant even make a point in society.

of course i however already know woke cretins cant take any criticisms since you are as reactionary and religious as chrisutcuck far rights. postmodernists actually predicted the end of the western civilization, but couldnt predict such premodern religious moral faggotry and puritanism is reproduced and becomes the principles of postmodern society. they wouldve been blown away if they knew it.

>>23110338
Fanged Noumena is actually pretty terrible. It's almost entirely shilled by people who have never read it, just the Meltdown essay. Both that and the equally terrible K-Punk book made me realize that Urbanomic is a shitty publisher that was more interested in cashing in on the acc craze than in doing anything interesting.
If you actually care about this stuff you're much better going back to original CCRU material, (which, as a collaborative project, included more than just Nick's perspective on shit), and if you're interested in where it went after the Warwick era all the action was on blogs. Hyperstition, xenosystems, and the main 2017 U/Acc-era stuff being the most relevant. If you absolutely must have a book, the #Accelerate book is unironically better than pages of literal keyboard smashing.

>>23110338
+Accursed Share, Simulcra and Sim, Society of the Spectacle, Walter Benjamin
Obviously Pynchon, Hegel, Dosto, Goethe are worth reading but I don't think they're needed to understand /vt/ psychology. Pick related would be essential though.

>>23110338
Justify your book choices, OP. I can understand why you'd pick Baudrillard and Benjamin, but not the others.

>>23124884
>he and all postmodernists like derrida are useless today since none of you can objectify the current state of the western society as the postmodern society
Literally everyone does, that's precisely the point, everyone of them criticizes the current state of the world as the postmodern world
> woke is the postmodern fucked up state with absolute relativism, but you cant accept it for the ideological and religious moral superiority reasons
No, postmodernism isn't absolute relativism that shit's been around for way longer than postmodernism and most postmodern writers aren't actually relativists, actually most of the writers people tend to label as postmodern or the ones that self identify as postmodern critique the postmodern state of affairs like Jameson, but people doesn't read them exactly like people just say that the Frankfurt school tried to destroy western culture when actually they were all (except maybe Marcuse who was the only actual marxist of the group) actually trying to show how a consumerist society and late capitalism would destroy western values and reduce aesthetic value to consumer value.
It's true that "wokeism" is a postmodern problem, mostly about profilicity and brands in a heavily interconnected capitalist society, but it's precisely that why you should read people like Jameson, Fisher (his Capitialist Realism, not his other shit) or even Baudrillard to understand what the fuck is happening at least.
This game has some nice videos comparing wokeism to civil religion and talking about prfilicity and art in a postmodern society and how it's fucked up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnUqrF9mAA8
>>23119339
No, he's and influence on Marx and Bakunin but there were plenty of right wing hegelians, his philosohy offers a pretty flexible frameworks that can be adapted to both sides, he himself was a protestant that proposed Christianity as a good universal moral framework and wasn't necessarily against a rational monarchy.
>>23112091
Ulysses is harder than almost every book here though, the only exception is the Phenomenology of Spirit.
>>23119648
You can always read analytic philosophy anon, there's some very good practical philosophy there.

>>23128143
Not OP but obviously Debord deserves to be on there too, this shit is the definition of a spectacle. Schmitt for tribalfagging. Bataille for the insane economy of superchats, memberships, merch and so on. Eliade's "Sacred and Profane" is obviously on there because of idol culture, seiso obsession, etc., but arguably Durkheim would be a better fit there. I assume Hegel is included out of an understandable desire to shove Hegel into everything, but the Phenomenology doesn't really fit at all, if I had to pick some Hegel to include it would obviously be the Philosophy of Right.

What a bunch of bullshit. This is all you need.

>>23128893
Wrong

>>23124884
A large part of modern politics is nothing but simulation. You have right wingers who believe that child blood drinking vampires rule the white house and left wingers who think a run-of-the-mill republican (in terms of actual policy) like Donald Trump were literally Hitler. Similar patterns emerge with regard to the question of COVID and what to do about as well as the war in Ukraine, with both sides fiercely entrenched in their hyperreality on Twitter.

So what book is a good primer to philosophy?

>>23133144
ready player one

>>23110338
notes from the underground and gravity's rainbow are the only thing worth reading on that list

>>23133144
The answer is always the Greeks

>>23133371
But everyone today can understand the concept of something without experiencing it

>>23133144
If you need a book, Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy. A lot of it, especially about Kant, is wrong, but anyone can read and understand it and his passion is infectious.
That's not really the way to learn about philosophy though. Just read articles on the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, both topics and authors, and find something you're interested and start reading more about it. Secondary sources are often going to be easier and more engaging to a noob than primary sources. Also >>23133371 is correct, particularly Plato, who can mostly be picked up and read without any background.

To remind JP-onlies who is really in charge.

>>23133144
Philosophy is worthless because the best Philosopher's books didn't survive. But you can at least look up and read anecdotes lesser philosophers had with Diogenes.

Pretty solid list. May I ask OP to elaborate on what you meant by representation of the viewer in Notes from the Underground here? >>23111052 Kinda get the other books on the list but not this one. If we're trying to get something adjacent to a schizo viewer mindset then I'd rather suggest The Idiot but some characters and situations from Crime and Punishment work too.
Pynchon seems like a weird pick too.
Also I'm sure there should be some JP authors on the list, and I immediately thought of Mishima but I probably won't be able to properly explain why, might be too ESL for that.
>>23123647
>baudrillard is worthless because you can't beat woke by reading him
I laughed so hard that I spilled water all over my fucking desk
>>23128893
This would be a nice addition to the list.

One simply needs to read the Zohar to get a full appreciation for virtual YouTubers.
But of course, before you do that you also need to read the Tanach, Moses Maimonides' Guide for the Perplexed, the Sefer Yetzirah and the Sefer HaBahir.

>>23110338
who is the smartest chuuba

>>23135000
>>>/v/lobotomy

>>23135220
>Nothing Found
i dont get it

>>23135000
Imagine reading all that shit instead of skipping right to contemporary post-Lurian kabbalah. There's even moderately relevant groups that do that and don't have to hide in the esotericism ghetto, most notably Tiqqun.

I'm sure someone has written a nice study about Petrarca & Laura, and Dante & Beatrice. Petrarca's Sonnets would probably be a fine addition in and of themselves though.

>>23135376
I think both kinds are worth reading, but I also just genuinely enjoy reading scripture and commentaries a lot for someone who isn't even an Abrahamist. I was mostly just suggesting the most needlessly verbose route for laughs.
>>23135220
Why didn't you send me to /x/ instead? I can't say your joke makes much sense

>>23135328
>>23135600
>They don't know about 4chan's specialized Kabbalah research group
It's not an allegory

>>23136126
You're right, I don't. Are they all hardcore Xeno and Fate fans or something

>>23136594
Entire plot of Lobotomy Corporation is ripoff of Kabbalah, if you bother searching /v/ and /vst/ archives you will find a ton of discussion of Torah and various other books relating to it and the philosophy itself
Do note that most of it happened before Library of Ruina got released
Some guys that are still visiting the threads probably took part in them, or at least remember the links

>>23136594
Will the jewtubers make references to it?

>>23128893
This book isn´t all uuoh, thiirsting over litkle girl it´s about a pedo manipulating a girl and causing truoble in her lifge.

>>23133144
It depends on what you want to get from reading. A lot of people say "start with the greeks" and while that's correct if you're just interested in certain topics or want answers to something that's bothering you you'll probably be fine just reading about that and not bothering with the whole history of western thought, that's for people that seriously want to dedicate themselves to study philosphy an professional philosophers. Most often than not you'll be fine reading some general introduction to a topic, say, metaphysics or ethics, going to the SEP or IEP and checking the bibliography. SEP's pretty good because it's edited by actual professional philosophers and have articles ranging from really broad to really specific (see for example: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-idind/).). If you want a REALLY easy introduction to some common problems in contemporary philosphy, things like Russells's The Problems of Philosophy, Nagel's What Does it All Mean and stuff like.

>>23137014
Ah, okay. I'd never heard of either of those things before.
>>23137271
I will eat my own balls if they do. Zionists...

>>23137851
>thiirsting over litkle girl it´s about a pedo manipulating a girl and causing truoble in her lifge.
and how is this not /vt/ require reading?

>>23110338
>no Gibbon's decline and fall of the roman empire
fucking idiot, how are you supposed to understand chubbas without it

>>23110338
holmes or lovecraft would be a funny.

>>23110338
Reading a book is like debating someone, but they talk for 10-20~ hours straight, and you are never allowed to respond.

>>23139943
God damn, do you really feel that way about books? You can win the "argument" by closing the book and never reading it again, at least.

>>23139943
have you never taken a higher education class in your life

>>23139943
/lit/sisters are books a parasocial relationship?

>>23140545
Werther is

>>23138256
Considering how people tend to idolize Misaki, the message would fall on deaf ears.

>>23141146
>the message
what message would that be?

Is this the poseur general?
Have sex, VIRGIN!

I don't think people are ready for when roommates get replaced by algos

>>23142442
I want to have sex with Hoshikawa but that's impossible so I'll keep being a virgin forever

*enter thread
*no Art Of War or Math Book
*leave thread

>>23142753
Why would you need Math to understand vtubers?

>>23142673
I both feel like a dope for not posting this myself and am surprised it took this long for it to get posted here.

>>23142951
Pls understand he's a filthy otaku who needs to validate his non-existence knowledge

>>23127436
ah son of a bitch

>>23143305
>math
>nonexistent
try again