/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Moving to niji or holo next?

>>22531331
Char would thrive in NijiEN

>follow superior small corporations to stick it to big vtuber corpos
>small corpos managed amateurly
>can't wrangle actual retarded unprofessional chuubas, they cause chaos and leave
>corpos eventually fold
>big vtuber corpos still popular
ok then

>>22531331
She isn't graduating, just stepping down from a management role it seems. If she was going Niji/Holo she would just graduate the character.

>>22531331
I hear Holo takes in people who stream once a month.

>>22531567
People have spent all of this time shilling their small corpos when it's just black/lack-luster companies, dramafests and grooming circles culling each other while desperately trying to comb through the shitty twitch/YouTube algorithm to come out on top of a saturated market. Quite sad to be honest. It's why I just pick and choose the hidden gem streamers in the rough but never actually step too far into the mud and commit to one of these companies. There are indies who've been better off as of late

>>22531572
>stepping down from her roles as staff and talent
>and talent
>not graduating
Did she clarify this herself?

>>22532446
Yes. Going indie, staying on as an advisor. Will still do gunpla streams when she feels like it.

>>22532275
I mean we kinda need new players and to break the vtuber monopoly, and as much as indies are awesome, can they really break the superpower that is hololive? I mean some big indies make up vshojo bcuz they need a brand to grow for

>>22532446
>>22532631
https://twitter.com/hoshinochar/status/1515160341629399042

>>22532446
yes

>>22532651
>monopoly
?

>>22531331
>Char
>Hired by anyone ever again
Look mate, I like Char, but she can only move between Tsunderia and indie, nobody else is gonna be hiring her, she makes Sana look like a regular streamer and has no motivation at all

>>22532672
YOUVE BEEN ON BREAK SINCE LAST FUCKING YEAR.
YOU SHOWED OFF YOUR NEW MODEL AND BARELY STREAMED SINCE.
Fuck you Char. I liked your streams.

>>22532631
>>22532672
>>22532688
Interesting. I’m still curious as to what prompted both departures to occur at a similar window of time.

>>22532898
Char was planned for a while now.
Urara was sudden and for undisclosed personal reasons.

>>22531249
phase bros literally cant stop winning

>>22532898
Urara got hired by Fishman who's giving her a proper salary
Char's contract simply came to an end but she might as well have graduated a year ago and nothing would've changed

What was the big yab that caused all this?

>>22533066
One's a mystery but sudden, the other was planned for a while

>>22531567
If a small corpo doesn't incline in half a year stop watching them

>>22533066
Nothing. Char has been "burnt out" and not streaming for over a year now.

>>22531567
This is what you EN shitters will get. Even indies only exist to build resume for Hololive

What the actual fuck just happened. BOTH their managers quit at the same time? And all of this happens at the same time as Lumi drama? What is happening?

>>22533211
Black company, please understand

NijiEN is next, Phase Connect's time is now.

>>22531249
>Jack
Does anyone else feel weird seeing your name on shit that isn't to do with you?

>>22533211
Being a talent AND manager is pretty much being an indie plus working for others. It's like those "be your own boss" sales deals.
It's similar to most mods, editors and streamer staff being minor streamers themselves.

>>22532651
Hololive is basically untouchable to them, Niji is never really going to be frightened, and the myriad third element of that tribunal are still out of reach. I have my doubts that the smaller corpos are going to be able to swing their weight around and have impact until at least one can eclipse the others handily, and without a gorillion yabs accumulating upon them.

>>22532651
>monopoly
Vshojo gets higher views than anyone not named Gura and manjisanji mogs HoloEN hard in revenue

>>22533148
Oh. I heard shit was happening with other indies so I assumed this was related.

>>22533669
Vshojo is also itself mostly just IronMouse and Nyanners, and Nipplebrothers are similarly front-loaded.

>>22533669
>in revenue
in monthly SC

>>22532688
The after a break shit is hilarious she hasn’t streamed herself in fuckin ages

>>22532651
Hololive is in a to big to fail state, you'd need something insane to break that, Nijisanji gets by, by being so huge in Japan and being able to carve out a niche for itself due to that brand power.
Some company coming out of nowhere to change that? You'd need one hell of an investment and a plan and I don't see it happening, if anything you're gonna see more of what Phase Connect did, chuubas moving to corpos while still keeping the models.

>>22531249

>>22532651
>Monopoly
F
Repeat economic class and actually pay attention to what monopoly means

>>22534010
Vshojo gained enough profit that Veibae able to redebut with whole new model and everything. It cost her $60,000. If VShojo is only Mouse and Nyan, then how she can collect that much capital for redebut?

>>22531249
Real life agar.io but with chuuba corpos

>>22532651
Holo is currently looking like iPhone. They are not going to fall easily and they are completely existing on their own timeline.
Currently, both HoloEN and Holoid are inclining and JP is stabilizing as much as numbers indicate.
Small Companies could become Mi or Samsung or whatever the fuck they want. But they are not going to surpass Holo. Even among Big three of current vtubing. Holo is abnormal force compared to Niji and Vshoujo.
Nijijp has difficulties to break 10k without Kuzuha, NijiEN is living under the momentum of Males, and Vshojo exists on twitch but they are losing to new Korean talents.
Well, everything grows and designed to change so Hololive will fall but Hololive's fall means the era of Vtubing is over or enter into the new stage.
surpassing the Hololive means entering into the new era like how Hololive did.

Imagine if other jobs were discussed like /vt/ discusses chuuba corps
>Did you hear? Mike quit the Mom's Diner.
>Holy shit, wasn't he manager? They're finished without him.
>Yeah man. Why are they even in operation anymore, anyhow? They'll never beat McDonalds.

>>22536400
I mean isn't that basically true? At least that's the impression I got from Hell's Kitchen.

>>22536579
Fuck I meant "Kitchen Nightmares" but you get the point

>>22536400
Tsunderia lost both managers in a week though
Who even is managing them now?
Cyberlife imploded and collapsed on itself when their manager ghosted them and disapeared

>>22536708
There's staff that isn't front-facing like Urara and Char were.

>>22531249
>more passive role behind tsunderia
So actually graduated as talent """""manager""""" to go full corporate faceless back office manager huh

>>22536785
She's training us new managers.

>>22536400
Dude when the local breakfast restaurant changed owners I talked with my friends about it and yeah we said shit exactly like that. Same with what was the best Chinese food place in town. Your analogy is terrible. People talk like this for businesses too, like the management for Twitter or Amazon or what have you.

>>22536785
She's training the new managers.

>>22535823
>It cost her $60,000
I never argued that their individual incomes aren’t of note; I’m speaking more-so to if they were to vanish tomorrow, whether it’d be a major blow to their brand or not. I’m not going to say Veibae doesn’t have equivocal impact, but she’s certainly caused rifts throughout her time that would play into lessening that impact.

>>22536865
>us
Are you renewing the contract Mio?

>>22533198
>t. EOP westoid

>>22535823
Isn't Vei mostly coasting off her association with Sodapoppin?

>>22533017
>Fishman
Who?

>>22535823
That's about what Watame's new MV and orison cost. Watame is another drop in the bucket for Cover.

>>22536400
I heard Disney is trying to buy Fox. Maybe we'll get X-Men and Fantastic Four in the MCU.

>>22537288

>>22537459
>MCU brainrot
Explains holobronies a lot.

>>22537485
/vt/ - Hololive
/v/ - Fortnite
/a/ - Boruto's Dad
/d/ - Futa
/tv/ - MCU
/int/ - The United States of America
/tg/ - DnD
/his/ - Rome
/mu/ - The Beatles
/g/ - Windows

>>22537517
>/g/ - Windows
Since when?

>>22536400
Yeah it's the other kayfabe industry: pro-wrestling and they talk like this all the time a wrestler sells out or buys in.

>>22537312
Add to that, Marine's Unison was 100k.
Watame alone funded an entire album with MVs and a concert from one merch run.

>>22531567
last i know small corpo that actually "a corpo" was holo pre-taiwan shit. now all small and indie corpo are all black company shit. . nothing good happen to them

>>22532881
Yeah, I actually watched her when playing the alien game as my first small chubba streamer. Then she kept complaining about work all the time and that filtered me

>>22536274
I was thinking the same thing

>>22536708
My suspicion is that they running out of money to pay proper manager so they lay off the two managers and use one of their own for cheaper manager role.

>>22531249
Neo Zeon agency when?

>>22538830
>Char's Counteragency

>>22538859
Garma vtuber when?
death of garma vtuber morale speech when?

>>22533373
only if you're here to kill chaos.

>>22536929
Nope, Veibei gain enough akasupa for herself. Showing that every VShojo can stand on their own. Please don't compare her to Mousey, Mousey is a phenomena.

>>22537312
That's because Watame got merchandise profit, something that Veibae doesn't have. Also Watame gained it after gaining enough fans. Don't downplay Watame's effort

>>22538945
What about the members that are less talked about like Silvervale, Zentreya, Hime, and Froot?

>>22531249
Why are people leaving Tsunderia? What is the fish man promising them?

>>22539040
They actually gained a lot of income as well. If you see clips of Zen, Froot and others you can see the money keep coming in.

>>22531249
Phase will become bigger by swallowing smaller corpos

>>22536316
>Vshojo exists on twitch but they are losing to new Korean talents.
How are these related?

>>22531249
I don't really see that much of a future for any of the small corpos. Sure pc could have a shot at being the biggest one, but their main draw is a notorious loose cannon. Tsunderia is carried by 1-2 people too.

>>22532672
I thought Sayla was supposed to be the one who was never around to in a show not Char

>Trusting any Deikun's to be reliable
Never once

>>22532651
The 3 big corps will remain on top forever, and nobody will ever come even close to third place. The most that could happen is a change in position between them.

>>22541332
I mean in about a month's time they will be adding 8-9 talents if you include lumi and yuri. PC is growing talents slow, but it is stable.

>>22536400
/sp/ talks like this
I knew Everton was going to be relegation contender once Carlo moved to Madrid

>>22539040
Hime might as well not exist. The other ones make plenty of money even if they aren't mouse tier. They probably make the equivalent of what a dozen or more of these small corpo talents make.

>>22541332
I'm worried about VOMS. The whole team is carried by Pikamee alone. Them being small indie team means they don't have enough capital to make variations like cover song, original song, stage performance, etc etc

>>22541599
Isn't GYARI loaded though?

>>22541599
I've seen 1view indie come up with cover songs and originals. She's not rich either. Works as a teacher.

>>22540466
>>22541588
Good for them I suppose? For some reason no one talks about their streams on this board, is there a reason for that?

>>22541599
VOMS is fine. They're not going anywhere. They're so hands free they probably have literally no employees or fixed costs outside of the talents and gyari. I think they're not even really a company just a doujin circle of sorts.

>>22531249
char is the haachama lookalike right?

>>22541765
Vshojo is hated here outside of their general. Part of it is just a bandwagon, part of it is justified.

>>22537517
>/int/ - The United States of America
>/mu/ - The Beatles
rumao

>>22541576
Yea but with /sp/ front office changes/player movements often can be directly tied towards major decision making changes which often can result in such drastic changes of fortune especially with top tier players moving to other teams.

>>22541782
>people were betting on chama to graduate forever
>her clone graduated first

>>22536316
>new Korean talents
i need an explanation on that

>>22541765
Typical spergs hating on VShojo because of "slut" excuse. I mean if people in this board already losing their mind when Mori talk to Connor what do you think their reaction is with VShojo being more openly sexual?

>>22541679
It can be done if she did it all by herself. I mean Suisei drawn her own character including learning to rig her model when she's still Indie. She also made her own songs as well.

>>22533373
Somewhat, but not nearly as much as hearing my real name said because a character happens to have the same name.

>>22541936
He's referring to Isegye Idol

>>22542479
you mean this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgSXAKsq-Vo

>>22533373
take your meds jack

>>22542598
Yeah that's them

>>22541576
who are the Messi and Ronaldo of vtubers?

>>22544843
anya and petra

>>22531249
who

PHASE CONNECT LOVE!!!

>>22549623
why the FUCK is tenma so fucking small?

>>22549623
Is Tenma really that small?

>>22540622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-06ki92PyVY
>>22541599
Gyari can sell VOMS to Sakana in a partial buyout where he keeps the rights to use and sell voice clips for his music.

>>22551537

>>22551115
Tenma fills me with great lust.

>>22532631
>when she feels like it
so never?

>>22554298
Will we ever see the cardigan?

>>22551537
>>22551115
You want a lolibaba, you get a fucking lolibaba.

>>22555404
Sensei, draw bikini for her please.

>>22532937
wait, slugma is gone?

>>22532898
She has a full time job as a software engineer anon. I dont understand why people on this board dont realize that after two years sometimes people move on from jobs

>>22536708
Other talent confirmed theres non public managers and staff

>>22532898
char left to be able to openly talk about the thing she said after the graduation tweet

>>22541332
Do you guys realize how low the fucking overall operating costs of these companies are...

My favorite small corporation is Tsunderia. They have my favorite talents and I love them. But in terms of the management of the companies, I think the ranking is like this.

Phase after stealing Lumi and Yuri is just that strong. It's literally just because Pippa is that good. Prism would be lower than Tsunderia besides the recent drama, because they often have trouble getting permissions for things. But recent drama has lowered Tsunderia. And in last place is Cyberlive which is becoming a disaster. Losing talents to Phase and mismanaging everything.

>>22555952
DID YOU JUST TANK PRISM AT 2 LMAOOOOOOOOOO

>>22535379
Talk about obnoxious fuck self inserting themselves everywhere

>>22556275
Aggressive shilling from pc cuck this is the work of their new schizo pet

>>22556458
They really got a toxic baggage from that acquisition. Dude's been poking all the corpo trying all things to stir shit up.

>>22555813
They aren't dying soon but they aren't going to incline majorly either.

>>22531249
the absolute state of Tsunderia

>>22555952
I'd wait until gen 2 of phase comes out honestly. If they flop like Prism gen 2 and the company has to fall on the shoulders of Pippa I don't think that's a good place to be.
>But Lumi!
Got relevant playing niche games that can't appeal to a wider crowd, and I heard she's even moving away from playing /vst/ games so she's losing what made her different and now risks becoming another face in the crowd.

>>22558870
>But Lumi
Do they really think they hit the jackpot with that one? Until she completely severe her pet doxxschizo, Phase is operating on a net loss

>>22560555
Well, I guess the fish cannot be that stupid, can he?
Phase already forced the two mod rule

>>22558870
Lumi unironically lost a shitton of /vt/ support way before the "drama"
Also
>Lumi
>/vst/
SHE FUCKING SUCKS AT RTS, 4X, ANYTHING /VST/ RELATED
Also everytime she say how much she likes rts and 4x i can't help it but DYRBI to myself.
She used /vt/ to get some initial boost to get out 1view hole but other than being goal oriented smartass bitch she is just another face in the crowd

>>22531249
>Gets the perfect Quattro outfit
>Never streams so she never uses it

>>22531249
>Have a 10/10 model
>Was one of the few actually entertaining small corpo vtubers
Even though she had legit reasons on why she couldn't stream much, it still sucks she never got to see her full potential.

>>22561234
Wasn't she a sjw bitch?

>>22561490
Eh I wouldn't know if she is since I just check her channel once every 4-7 months, but I just automatically assume everyone EN chuuba are SJWs.
The ones who don't show it are either apart of Hololive where they have strict rules against that shit or a /here/fag trying to pander.
As long as she's not like Bao who's constantly dramafagging for SJW virtue points then I don't really care.

>>22561490
>>22561797
I think it’s safe to assume every woman you encounter is afflicted with mindrot of any given variety. Yes, even those that claim to not be. Her becoming vocal about *THAT* should be a good indicator that this hobby is jam-packed with menheras.

>>22556458
It's funny because I dont like Phase but would agree they're pulling first right now. But they have to use all management to reign in the pipkin. Prism should be dead fucking last with it's insane membership cucking.

>>22562754
>Prism should be dead fucking last with it's insane membership cucking.
It's almost as if cucks with expendable money are much more common than you think. This whole subgenre should've taught you that.

>>22562754
>Prism should be dead fucking last with it's insane membership cucking.
Care to elaborate? Heard this a few times but i havent seen any examples.

>>22564902
They have sub requirements for memberships to open. Meno who has been with the company for more than a year doesn't have memberships yet. I think the requirement was 30K before they lowered it to 15K recently.

>>22565130
Meno should just graduate desu

>>22564902
>>22565130
This and it was only lowered after people spammed Cap's maro. The girls should open membership the moment they can it's free money. The dude is an idiot and thinks using a carrot on a stick with the girls will make him a sucsess.

>>22564595
It's almost as if people bitching about cucks aren't even spending any money to begin with

>>22564595
That has nothing to do with management actively cucking its talents out of membership until they get 30k subs you smoothbrain

>>22532651
>Monopoly
Look up the dictionary and try again. No one is stopping you from watching 2views forever to "stick it to the man"

>>22558129
Company needing infinite growth or else it might as well burn itself to the ground is very American mindset.

>>22536929
no one should rely on an association to sodapoppin. Didn't Artia have some association too before having some hard falling out with him?

Fishman is making his move, phase will be in competition with niji in a year. Shame about the jp sode though.

>>22535823
>It cost her $60,000.
and it looks like shit, this is why you shouldn't give women large amounts of money. Other people will take advantage of them.

>>22532651
Monopoly means there are zero competitors, nigger.
Just because manjisanji is shit doesn't mean they aren't competitors.

>>22566333
Well yes, that's what companies are for. If you are content streaming to the same 20 people until the end of time you might as well stay an indie

>>22531249
This is why we only watch hololive

>>22569419
Sustainability isn't the same thing as growth.

>>22531464
Anon, she is female.

>>22569419
>if you have 500k ccv you're going to starve to death if you don't hit 600k next month because no growth
That's definitely how the real world works.

>>22531567
they refused to listen

>>22531567
This is why you should only watch hololive

>>22566020
>>22566072
>seething cucks
I rest my case.

>>22535823
>$60k
What the fuck? Aren't most Live2D models usually less than $10k?

Shame Prism is the blackest company because they have my overall favorite girls. Only consolation I've got is at least they don't get into drama, but I know I'm cursing them in saying that.

>>22535823
>$60,000.
She got fucking scammed lmao
women and their money kek
my grandmother wouldn’t make that kind of mistake

>>22576278
I unironically think she got scammed. Yes, her rig is very good, but if she spent time looking around at riggers instead of going for name brand, she would find way better riggers for reasonable price who could achieve the same result. Name brand is usually only good for art, but dropping an insane amount of money for name brand rig is not worth it imo. The average viewer doesn't care about the rigger's name.

>>22565130
>They have sub requirements for memberships to open.

>>22576760
Gen 3 girls were actively getting memberships unlocked before Gen1. The management is nonexistant and when it exists its retarded

>>22574791
They're talking about management idiot it has nothing to do with barons

>>22576915
Good on the talents for not seething like maniacs over this.
I know I would beyond furious.

>>22533654
Bigger small corpo chuubas are already gaining on some NijiEn members in subs. If they can get their shit together. Nijisanji as a whole isn't afraid because they can always retreat back to Japan, but for NijiEN there is a very real threat of them losing their spot to whatever company that comes up top of the small corpo wars.

wait Char is leaving? No!!!! My sex /m/angina

>>22560743
>/vst/
I watched Lumi when she used to play those games then she just stopped. Every time there's any discussion of x4, RTS or grand strategy in /vt/ Lumifags would parade her only of me to open her Twitch channel and see no games relevant to my interests in her recently played games. If you're in for Lumi and don't care what she does, COOL good for you. but don't shill me her when she doesn't play the games I was asking for.

>>22555952
Where would you put akioair?

>>22577003
I'm honestly shocked it hasnt caused infighting at all. All of the girls seem at the least professional with each other

>>22531567
the secret is that all corpos, from the smallest two-man band to the largest holo-wannabe, are black companies. But unlike the two or three big black companies they aren't too big to fail so they all crumble into dust eventually unless one of them manages to outlive the rest and become a third/fourth pillar swallowing everybody else getting caught in this bullshit.

Stick to indies.

>>22578170
Prism is the most "professional" small corpos as far as Japanese companies go, but that also means getting stuck in Japanese red tape and retarded ideas on how to organize a company. You can trust them not to explode in a yab though.

>>22577204
Subs don't mean shit if they don't come with money. Nijien rakes in like 2x the money of holoen who's all got 1m subs. Miori is almost caught up to nijien runts and earns barely 1k for big streams.

>>22578720
>Nijien rakes in like 2x the money of holoen
Anon...
SCs are the least important chuuba income

I feel like PhaseConnectfags are getting too cocky recently. Tsunderia was doing about as well as PC until the moment it was announced that Slugma resigned, and in just a few days the outside perception has gone from the company seeming completely stable to people genuinely wondering if they even have a future.
I get the feeling that when PhaseConnect does finally get hit by a major blow (and that is an inevitability) it's probably going to hit them incredibly hard. You really can't get too comfortable.

>>22578720
It's not about the money. It's their visibility to the western sphere, and subs are a representation of that, and so are inclusion to vtuber events. Money in the pocket of the streamer means absolutely nothing unless they throw it at ads or other ways to promote themselves.

>>22578819
Thanks captain obvious but everyone realized long ago that relying on Pippa as the face of the company will inevitably end in disaster. It's all about when.

>>22578819
up until Sakana's trustfund money runs out, I think Phase Connect will be fine

>>22555775
What could you be talking abo-
>I'm Gay.
Now we know, she wanted to be Slugma's Mistress.

>Have an official company status
>You must now deal with permissions
>You must now go through hoops if getting permissions would take too long
Thanks...

>>22580069
The newly-found power always comes at a cost. If any of the smaller corpos ever even had a chance at the big leagues, I’m absolutely certain they’d take it regardless of said exchange.

>>22532651

This thread died as soon as this was posted

>>22580489
>regardless of said exchange
Even if it'll bite you in the ass later on?

I feel like being a small corpo chuuba is the worst place to be. Big corpos are guaranteed an audience, indies have freedom over their content, but small corpos have neither.

>>22582256
>generally negligent owners not just taking the push now and bowing out later
Unless they’re in it for the long haul, I can’t see them caring enough.

>>22582618
They have management and promotion, and usually lax enough contracts to do what they want. Still not the best deal, but there are more dead indies than there are small corpos.

>>22531249
I think vtubing in general is in a bear market it's like like Covid years things are getting rough and indies are feeling it
also, the world is going to suffer terrible levels of inflation, even the entertainment business is going to feel that

>>22583019
I've seen people saying that it could fuck the whole economy into worse than great depression levels, if that happens the whole of the entertainment industry goes tits up, you won't have to worry about "vtubing" anymore lmao

>>22577204
As far as I know it's only like 3, and they're all from different companies and can barely sniff the weaker NijiENs in terms of actual views and SC numbers.
>But the subs
Shiki has the most in Prism, what doors has that opened for her or the rest of the group? The same goes for Miori and Nene for their companies. They managed to get the algorithm in their favor but they can't even transfer some of the attention towards their genmates.

>>22584255
As things stand right now, the small corpos are acting as proto-recruitment for the big two. Unless the talents have incentive to not leave for greener pastures and said incentives aren’t enforced through black company practices, I have my doubts any of them can gain upon Cover/Anycara. Best I can see happening is another Vshojo-type collective that gains a hold in the Twitch hemisphere, which is possibly why more of the big two are getting involved cross-platform.

>>22585051
Is that proto-recruitment actually working though, not even a single nijiEN has been picked up from one of the 2view companies after 5 waves

>>22536844
Why are americans like this

>>22584055
we're not going to live in an apocalyptic world any time soon, we missed that chance
things are going to be the same but worse, people will still pay for fake online shit but the industry is going to suffer

>>22585335
Problem is, there’s no need for depravity from the top down. I highly doubt that any of the chuubas that are given the chance to join Hololive or Nijisanji are going to turn it down, and neither of them really need to do much to keep their hold on the field. In contrast to this, many of the smaller corpos would do anything to join the big leagues.

>>22586227
I can't tell if you're too optimistic or pessimistic, and I honestly don't know which is worse.

>>22575837
It's not just her rig (that cost her $15,000) but also everything (artworks, music, probably also some hardwares) and the exact number is $62,000

>>22531567
> he fell for the shillposting
there's a reason people watch holo and niji my friend

>>22578720
>Relying on akasupa
The main income is from merchandising. Hell, Watame can fun tons of original songs all from one wave of merchandise sales.

>>22576681
Her rig is $15,000 you dum dum, 60k is for the entire overhaul total cost

Captcha: GOTH2

>>22587171
15K is still a scam for her rigging.

>>22585051
>Vshojo-type collective
It's only a matter of time. Small corpos for a while tried to confederate and there are multiple attempts of indie mini-groups /here/ and not/here/. Other than top dogs like Ironmouse and Nyanners, power and fame changes hands fast in the western sphere. We have three examples of people shooting fast in a short time frame;
Sariel - Artfag with a pre-existing network and fame, got tied to Hololive with her work for Mori
Girl_dm - Got lucky somehow and distinguished herself and offered an alternative to the many lewdtubers
Shyly - Displaced Vei, who was a top vshojo-adjacent indie at a time

>>22578819
Most business relying too much on one important person or product.
This is why I'm worried about VOMS

She quit her job and immediately came out as gay within the hour. Clearly she's a toxic menhera.

>>22577204
None of the small corpos are close to dethroning Niji EN as #2 on YouTube. Pippa can contend with Riemu at around her weakest. Kawaii, PRISM, and Tsunderia doesn't have anyone that consistently brings in a large amount of viewers. Shiki gets stuck at around 150 viewers, Nene around 150~200, Miori at around 200~250. Only certain streams you may see Nene gain 700 viewers or Miori with a stable 450. We are literally talking about the WEAKEST of Niji EN.

Brand ALWAYS matters. It's why a Holo EN doing a study stream can beat out the Niji girls, it's why a Niji EN girl can do the same thing and similar to even more viewership than a small corpo new outfit reveal. Brand is also significantly more effective with uplifting weaker members as well since their company mates have more weight to throw around. It's why Niji and Holo can uplift weaker members much more effectively. It sucks since there are plenty of great vtubers that aren't Holo or Niji, but you have to acknowledge the uphill struggle they are subjected to.

>>22569642
Companies are not just people but also investors trying to get a return. If they can get a better return in less time elsewhere, they'll take their money elsewhere.

>>22567037
>and it looks like shit
That's just like, your opinion, man

>>22537459
Disney has owned Fox for years now

>>22585335
NijiEN is the Elira-sphere. Char has a better chance of getting into HoloEN3 at this rate.

>>22541765
no one watches them outside of the few people in their general, and they're so boring that they don't even make for good bait anymore.

>>22587485
You forgot the one and only thing that matters and why those 2 corpos do so well on youtube: The algorithm. The algorithm and the search function LOVES branding.

>>22577988
Akio mane-chan...

>>22587646
Sadly so and her inner circle choices often suck. Shu, Mysta, Uki

>>22587253
I would watch more vtubers on twitch if i could get past the damned ads with prime or something. Its not enough to simp for anime girls but I have to watch hours of fucking ads for their platform.

>>22587629
The joke
Your head

>>22587883
Install purple ads blocker, dumbass.

>>22565130
... but why though? I'm assuming that they have some level of revenue sharing within the company, so why would they deny themselves potential income?

>>22586899
I suppose I didn't take into account the other things that could add up. But still. I hope she can make all of that back at least.

>>22588026
Cap is retarded. For example Meno could have had memberships open all the way back in April 2021. Even if we lowball membership numbers and say 50 people join it and that number is consistent. 50 people x 12 months x 5 dollars = 3000 dollars. He has lost thousands of dollars for his company and talents.

>>22588692
This type of decision making only serves to better facilitate poaching, even if it’s not on the same grounds as recent events.

>>22587171
15k for rigging is fucking autistic

>>22588943
A gen 4 member graduated within 3 months of existing it's been unfortunate to be interested in them

>>22532651
Why do you want to 'break the monopoly"? Do Hololive and Nijisanji need to die just because they are too big?

>>22589338
Yes.

>>22589375
That's retarded.

>>22589230
>5 months
>200 hours
>15 000 dollars
What a fucking scam.

>>22537517
/mu/ is k-pop now. Go check out the post rates on 4stats.io

>just rewatched some Holofes 3 clips
I fucking love Hololive bros

>>22533373
My name must be cursed or something, it was in the top 200 most popular names for 50 years but pretty much none of them have done anything noteworthy

>>22587883
>Install Vivaldi browser
>When prompted with the question "Activate ad blocker?" say yes
>???
>Profit!

>>22589230
That's for high end rigging with tons of work on it.
Don't compare it to cheapo $500 rig that looks like string puppet

>>22577204
They aren’t losing their 2nd spot anytime soon especially with how big the boys areunless they get a literal diamond in their next waves lol. Aren’t the smaller corpos only getting like 400-600 CCV in their special streams? The only ones who dip that low are Reimu, Petra and Millie.

So looking at it are we sure Char's ACTUALLY retiring or is some chuba named Quatro Bajeena going to show up who looks and sounds remarkably like Char join the company and start streaming?

>>22589457
If you think Artgun is worth the price of a used car I have a fucking bridge to sell you anon. Vei payed for the name and is retarded for it

>>22589440
Someone's gotta do the job eventually

>>22533198
here anon, have a choccy with your meds

>>22595659
But Hololive is doing really well so far, why do they need to end? The recent Holofes was incredible

>>22532651
>break the vtuber monopoly
What the fuck are you talking about?
hololive viewers aren't FORCED to watch only them in any way shape or form.
They don't manipulate search results to get only get themselves ahead.
They aren't buying out, suing or bankrupting any startups that are competing with them.
Fucking hell Susan hammers their numbers every 6 months with some new bullshit.
Hololive is just doing their own thing in the VERY restrictive Youtube environment that they have.

What the fuck do you think "monopoly" means, you uneducated cretin?

>>22598578
NTA but I think I can see his argument
It is as follows:
BIG COMPANY BAD!

>>22598578
Anon doesn't understand economics, anon. He's probably a unironic twitter communist too. don't try too hard to talk to him, you'll give yourself a heart condition.

>>22587253
Yeah, I’m positive that a unique momentum can usurp the mainstays in the Twitch scene. It’s happened on numerous occasions before and chuubas are likely not too different for that to repeat. My only question is: How long until that produces a true third dominant to form the big three?

>>22599595
Twitch will implode and the resulting exodus in youtube shall witness the emergence of the true 3rd contender.

>>22598314
Balance must be restored.

>>22560818
I'm still upset there's not a downloadable version of her new theme song

>>22603019
Sure it will Susan. Sure it will.

>>22591149
$15k is still 3-5x higher than even the top tier overpriced rigs. Stop coping for her, she's not going to have sex with you

>>22598578
>holobrony tries to distract from the de facto monopoly that the algorithm and clipping scene has created
many such cases

>>22610143
back to school with you

>>22591279
>start streaming
then by definition it isn't char

>>22592775
>Vei payed for the name and is retarded for it
what? that was an actual smart move people love money

>>22598578
hegemony, monopoly, greatest influence, top1, name it however you want.
the fact is - 80% of EOPs never hear of other vtubers than those from Hololive and even then most of them never interact with anybody outside of HoloEN or occasionally ID.
People clip for Hololive, much rarer for Nijisanji. People draw for Hololive, much rarer for Nijisanji. People talk about Hololive, much rarer about Nijisanji. People collab with Hololive, much rarer with Nijisanji.
Le funny reddit shark is mainstream, Calli is pretty much mainstream too.
And the entire fucking rest comes later. With a small exception for VShojo.
Invent a new word for that if you want to be such a pedantic faggot.

>>22613326
Not to mention that for many people not only just /here/ but in many places too Hololive is seen as success, while literally everything else isn't - "Honorary Holo", "I wish she was in Hololive", "She'll join Hololive soon" and other shit.

>>22613413
>>22613326
The key to make people both not hate you and make fun of you for not knowing words, anon, is to say
>I hope x company gets as big as Holo one day!
and genuinely wish for it. At this point you're tall poppy syndrom-ing far too hard. Hoping for others to fail and not your own camp to succeed is a sure fire way to make others hate you for being a faggot.

>>22613326
Hololive wasn't always at the top though. They got there through a bunch of fortunate incidents, Coco, and turning tourists that came to their streams out of memes into actual viewers. It helps that most of the holos are interesting people that serve a particular niche very well.

The "breaking" of a monopoly is when people are literally suffering because something that's important to them comes from a single source which does everything in their power to prevent competition to themselves.

The "breaking" the supposed hololive "monopoly" is always going to be a narrative coming from salty nijiniggers (and general contrarians) jealous of Hololive's success which they missed out on.
There is no benefit to anyone from "breaking" this supposed "monopoly" other than for those nipping at Hololive's heels.

>>22613638
>There is no benefit to anyone from "breaking" this supposed "monopoly"
>weak men, good times copypasta

>>22617034
> some Japanese comedian girls singing and dancing is somehow equivalent to the cycle of civilization
maybe actually watch your oshi's streams instead of seething /here/ all day

>>22589636
I'm amazed by how that's still allowed there, no one gives a fuck about the music, they just fap over the same webms again and again.

>>22612309
See
>>22609974

>>22617166
>implying that cycles only work on civilization

>>22567037
>and it looks like shit
no it doesn't