/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

we had this conversation a few days ago, do you even watch them OP

>>22352098
Simply because Hololive does everything better than them

>>22352098
No one cares about subhuman branches

>>22352098
>not idol
>m*les

>>22352354
I KNEEL 月姫さま

>>22352098
I blame Hana.

>>22352354
>>22353144

These 2 are probably the best reasons.

>>22352098
I don't think India really has a market for vtubers

>>22355306
Kek

>>22355306
Lmao anon

>>22352192
Are they that bad?

>>22357899
Wouldn't know since no one watches them but rrat is Hana and her dad killed the whole brand because they spoke the truth.

>>22358006
What did they say?

>>22357641
>>22357837
Naan

>>22358006
Hana said vtubers are just e-girls which people read as e-thots
Her dad was a numberfag

>>22358524
im a retard
>>22358817

i've literally never seen them before so that might have something to do with it

>>22357899
Their content is more geared towards indogs, take that what you will.

>had no idea how to market the brand as whole
>little to no directions from staffs on how to grow as talents
>lack of initiatives to promote the talents, be it from the agency, interbranch, or from the talents themselves
>talents mostly just stream whatever and whenever they want, as much as to fill their given weekly stream quota
>stream contents too niche, not catering the mainstream indog audience, nor the international audience, and they don't even speak JP
>overshadowed by holo and lack of dramas put them off-radar like they are nonexistent

How many of them do you think will graduate once merged with JP?

>>22362260
I was hoping all of them would quit after reading the mood like KR, but they're still there and with no sign of leaving, fucking subhuman leeches,

>>22362329
i wish you were right, but kr didn't all leave
some of them even seem like they're just leeching jp now and giving up on kr

>>22362555
Nah, the ones that stayed were the good ones, the KR that left were the dead weight, all of ID, minus Hana and Mika are failures, but they don't fucking leave for some reason.

>>22352098
actual nepotism, dumb management, boring talents.

>>22362704
>KR that left were the dead weight
bora...

>>22362788
Bora retired much earlier

>>22362704
true. but then all IDs are like that.
even if holoID fell off into nijiID state in the future, they won't just leave, just like nijiID.

Hana had a chance to be big but sabotaged herself, thus sabotaging the branch.

100% blame Hana she had the momentum to bring up the numbers for the entire branch but tossed it all away with self sabotage after self sabotage. All because she wanted a small audience.

>>22358761
Do you know Nijisanji?

>>22352098
Half of them would rather be in EN anyway.

>>22352098
I don't watch them so I'll just list off reasons I read on /vt/
>Hana and her dad killed the branch
>They're disgusting indogs, the only successful ID vtubers either pander to EN or leech off JP
>They're boring, once again I haven't seen a single stream so I'll take /vt/'s word for it
>Nijicliques since they're in Nijisanji, no sense of them being close
Did I miss anything?

>>22362210
KR was drama central and Hana was given many chances to become popular. Either them, management, or both, were retarded and didn't know how to take advantage of opportunities. SWOT kiddies would be foaming seeing all those missed opportunities.

Blaming Hana alone doesn't make much sense, even if she embraced the EOPs and welcomed them in that doesn't mean everyone else in the branch would do the same. Don't most of them speak mainly in their local language on their streams? I used to watch Derem every now and then and she used to only speak mainly english once a week. This isn't even taking into account their actual content, Layla I think did history streams that would 100% only interest indonesians.

>>22363444
Both were retarded. Hana got imposter syndrome for being a non native Indonesian and rising to fame as an English speaking vtuber in a time where most vtubers didn't speak anything but Japanese. Hana then actively killed her sub growth by streaming in awful hours for people in America, streaming for shorter periods of time and streaming games like FFXIV where all she'd do is fish.
But other anons are correct when they say nijisanji/anycolor did almost nothing to promote their ID branch, outside of hiring more people.

>>22363516
>Blaming Hana alone doesn't make much sense, even if she embraced the EOPs and welcomed them in that doesn't mean everyone else in the branch would do the same.

I mean, it worked for Hololive.

>>22363638
>streaming games like FFXIV
Literally what Rin did when she got that Pewdiepie shoutout.
>play eurotruck
>sing country roads
>get viral
>pewdiepie comments on it
>decide to milk your newfound popularity by spamming FF
I'm pretty sure many of their talents were xenophobic (as in, no foreign fans) until HoloEN exploded in popularity out of fucking nowhere.

I've not seen Hana in a while, is she planning on moving back to the US at any point?

>>22352098
>Their choice of contents is too niche that only their fans can to some extent enjoy them
>Their schedules are usually not that friendly for ID, JP, NA audiences
>In order to know what's going on with their stream, you must watch other ID livers AND keep updated with all of their tweets because they always bring it up on their stream
Beside those three points, I also agree with this board's sentimen about how Hana indirectly kill her branch with her impostor syndrome but 2bh her branchmates are also to blame here. They should takeover Hana's role to carry the branch immediately as soon as Hana nerfed herself like how Mooner take over that role for HoloID when Treerat nerfed herself and didn't stream as often as she is now

>>22364739
The thing is, Hana was at the forefront of an EN market that was just waiting to be tapped and she refused to do it.

I don't think any of the other IDs could've taken her place in that. Hana had to harness that herself and she refused to do so. Then HoloEN closed that path for her forever.

>>22358006
Her "dad" went full commie on her stream.
It's a miracle this didn't get Hana in trouble since Indonesians have a sizable population of commie haters.

>>22352098
It's very simple. They stream in 95% indonesian.

>>22363735
Nah nijiID never really came across as xenophobic but they also didn't really speak English. Even to this day, most of their talents aren't even ESL, they speak English as well as I speak japanese, which is to say, not very.
Hana was just about the only person who was comfortable speaking English and Indonesian which is why her menhera breakdown over being non native ended up hurting her branch. Nobody else could've taken up that role at the time.

>>22362329
I'd not be shocked if Any Colour "encourages" some too. Why pay some of these names an almost equal wage to the JP counterparts (since they are the same branch now) when they cannot even break 100 views. Anyone not meeting at least that quota should be released

I mean, Mika is basically an unofficial member of EN at this point, right?

>>22364919
>No one was like Hana
Treerat was also at the same position as she was, anon don't fool yourself

>>22365225
She'll be part of JP and like it anon

>>22365225
Do people imply that's supposed to be a bad thing if NijiID started to do that because that's how HoloID became successful and starting to do anything similar to hololive is bad?

>>22358817
e-girls are thots though

>>22366435
Nah this shithole is always that retarded. Remember how globulfags called Moona a leech for her prominent role in the kensetsu arc so often that she got insecure for awhile because of it and all of moonafics btfo'd themselves from there and never return to /hlgg/ again? It's basically the same shit

>>22365049
tell people you don't watch NIJI ID without telling them you don't watch NIJI ID

Sure, most of them use Indonesian but Hana isn't the only one. Mika hangs out with EN all the time, Hyona is fluent, what about Bonnivier Pranaja? Reza DMs his D&D games in english that also means his players who are all ID members roleplay in english too.

so no, Hana isn't the only one.

>>22365092
do they even have monthly pay? I thought they only receive money from donation and superchat?

>>22367392
Speaking indonesian primarily is obviously a losing strategy, and I don't know why they refuse to accept it

>>22364739
The point made here is correct.

In the beginning, there was Treerat and Hana.

HoloID at the beginning is basically the HoloEN lite. HoloID pander to western market (including Treerat, even), whereas NijiID did not. But this pandering to western market would not persist when HoloEN appeared.

After HoloEN appeared, the miracle of Moon-Rabbit Lapis Lazuli occur, Moona "takes charge" of HoloID, Usaken arc begun, and that saves HoloID. HoloID got lucky here. Then Gen 2 HoloID came around, and Ollie basically became Moona's deputy in pandering to western market.

(Insert NNN in between the above paragraph, this is basically Risu's contribution to HoloID)

Mid-2021, HoloID (under M-Chan's direction it seems) begun pandering to ID market again (by making MC ID server), much to the complaints of western fans. This didn't seem to work initially, but then (i) MC ID server became relatively successful, and (ii) Moona started unarchived karaoke regularly. This carried HoloID all the way to the 3rd fest and HoloID Gen 3 debut.

(insert NNN season 2 here, again this is Risu's biggest contribution to HoloID)

The HoloID's 3rd fest was VERY successful, and that opens the way for eyes towards Gen 3 debut.

Gen 3's make up is:
>Zeta for kaigainiki
>Kaela for niche market
>Kobo for ID market

Gen 3 debut was very successful, and we will see if they can keep this.

Back to Nijisanji ID and Hana, Nijisanji ID never really pander to western market. I see that most of the time NijiID did stream in Indonesian, and that would not do for western markets. By doing this, they didn't open their presence to kaigainiki. Technically, pandering to ID market is what ID branch should do, however:

HoloID/Moona became pragmatic when the situation demands it, whereas NijiID/Hana did not, and that's how NijiID flops.

These days, Mika is probably the only one (also lately, arguably Boni) that play ball with western market by collabing with NijiEN. If only Mika was in NijiID earlier, NijiID might be in a much better position than now. Alas, she did not, and that's how we come into the present situation.

Sorry for the long post, TLDR:

>HoloID/Moona is pragmatic, pander to kaigainiki market
>NijiID/Hana "stays true" to ID branch purpose, to pander to ID market
>HoloID is more successful

>>22352098
>NO I DONT WANT TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL OTHER MEMBERS HIT 100k

>>22367529
They don't. He's just shitposting, ignore him.

>>22358817
>look at vshojo
>look at a number of jp hololive members
>look at some nijisanji members
>they act like e-girls that just don’t show themselves
SHE DID NOTHING
WRONG

>>22364919
>Other ID couldn't take that role
I mean the one who take Treerat's role in HoloID is someone who can't speak japanese at all and her mastery over english and to some extent bahada are meh + her streaming skill was horrible up to the point she will only say hello and goodbye on stream. Well again I don't mean that Hana is blameless but there should be no excuse for some of them to act like a good team and be like what Mika and to lesser degree Bobon and Zea are today

>>22364982
>Sizeable
Dude, Commie would get prisoned for treason in Indonesia.

>>22363735
>I'm pretty sure many of their talents were xenophobic (as in, no foreign fans)
while that's true for some members, that's not true for all. Utako's first English clips that she commissioned date back to 2018. there's also things like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3cAf7olFGg

>>22355306
Anon we're talkin about ID not IN. Or you're sayin it in like Indogs vtuber have Indian audience?

>>22352098
Hana and her dad are their only saviors of the branch. Though the others aren't that bad, just don't see as much from them.

>>22372494
God i had a stroke writing that. Reminder to never type stuff when half asleep.

>>22352098
Hana is simply the only good talent they had, the other are just too mediocre. And Hana sabotaged herself, not with the e-girl comment like most people on /vt/ think though - in fact only /vt/ gets so horribly butthurt about it, nobody else on the internet even cares. What really fucked her over was being extremely mehnera, self-sabotaging by deciding to stop speaking English after EN came out, not streaming with EN because she believed she had some sort of duty to ID and other generic menhera behavior which really stunted her growth in the past 1.5 years.

>>22352098
Hana tanked the whole branch because her dad was more popular than her.
/thread

>>22372494
Ngl Mika and Bobon are on my top ID list(Including Taka and Hana but who the fuck still watch Hana, it's 2022. Taka still cool tho) and sad to see them like this.

>>22373161
Agree, anon.

Mika Taka Bobon are the only NijiID on my watch list as well now.

More to Taka than Bon though.

>>22367392
I do watch ID but Hyona is newer than Hana. Hana was wave 1. Bobon didn't come until wave 4. ID got more English speakers but it took them forever to do so.
I'm membered to Hana and bobon and frequently donate through streamlabs to derem.

Hana was literally getting into people's recommendations by late 2019 which was way before any of the people you listed got into ID. At the point where she could have capitalized most on being one of the few vtubers to speak English, she debuffed herself.
Plus bobons stream schedule has never been very consistent

>>22373161
Oh yeah i completely forgot to take into account mika and bobon, for some reason i locked myself into the first three gen's even though i watch most of the gens. Hana's still pretty cool to watch even after she turned slightly emotionless, Bobon and mika hella good though, haven't really given taka a chance.

>>22352098
Because Yagoo didn't save them

>>22369222
Now that I think about this. No wonder she's kinda the de facto leader in holoID. Not just because of the MC server thing in which she's the most skillful among others, but she seems to organize ID collabs too. She has the leadership skill, too bad her language ability is kinda meh. Even got people questioning if she can speak her supposedly native language, lol. But I think that's the charm of the Usaken arc.