/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>22240796
Also a career killing move.

>>22240796
Yes

>>22240796
Nothing will ever top DYRBI

Stupid statement because e-girls are already virtual.

>>22240796
Sure whatever you say Hana, Niji ID is dead anyway because you refused your 3D.

She's not entirely wrong, but it brings me no joy to agree on any level with people that would never say y'all in real life but type it on social media. That is the corniest shit on the planet

>>22240796
I want to say this makes her an e-girl too but then I remembered they tend to have at least some success that validates them as an e-girl.

>>22240895
not just she killed her own carreer from it, but also the carreers of her branchmates. the reason why HoloID got so big right now because moona embraced the pekomoona moment which made her branch visible to fans.

>>22240978
Is it true Hana played a huge role in the demise of NijiID by refusing to be the leader?

>>22240796
I feel incredibly horny about Hana. That's all.

>>22227777

>>22240796
>Twitter
>y'all
Into the trash it goes.

>>22241083
Hana had a proper breakout early on, but she couldn't hand the pressure and decided to do and say a bunch of retarded stuff so she could filter her audience and get less viewers. Sodafunk especially was somebody who grifted from her success and if memory serves she blatantly called him out at one point.

>>22240796
e-girls selling their booty.
Anime girls selling anime girls.

>>22241083
Why do you think Mika is popping off?

>>22240796
>They hated her because she told them the truth.

>>22241083
Pretty much but most ID branches outside of hololive in general are doomed from the start.

>>22241174
what was Hana's average ccv early on?

>>22241230
1k 2k ish?
pretty sure it was higher whenever she plays doom with her father on the background.

>>22241174
A chubba that couldn't even handle their own audience, that's just sad.

>>22240796
this is true, but also not

vtuber avatars level the playing field for ugly girls with cute personalities
you're not going to fuck any of them, so at least they can be fun to listen to

>>22241277
was 2k considered good back in the day?

>>22241174
2k average at her peak (Doom Eternal + Mick Gordon buff)
May seem little now, but at the time it was by farthe most subbed/watched "EN" chuuba

>>22240796
So this is the moment when she became irrelevant huh. Women are incapable of keeping up kayfabe.

>>22241296
Honestly, I don't blame her. Have you seen the average vtuberfag nowadays?
She just didn't want to deal with retards in her audience. I get that.

>>22241347
meant for >>22241230

>>22241320
for comparison, early days of holoID can't even break 1kCCV regularly. that's saying something.

>>22240796
This cocksleeve cant even be honest with her audience about her BF and tries to sell him as her dad.

>"It seems Council didn't do as well as they expected, and some of Luxiem members make as much money as the members of their japanese branch"
Most based and inflammatory statement in the history of vtubers.

>>22241621
Missing the "Truthful" part of the OP, mister

>>22240895
Hana has a massive survivor's guilt.

>>22241621
Yeah he based.
He also sent SEAniggers into schizo meltdown that lasted over 3 weeks.

>>22241621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StHMB1nhwb4

>>22241621
>and inflammatory
only on this board

>>22240796
Truthful about herself maybe

>>22240796
>Vtubers sell you cute Anime Girl Personalities
>e-girls sell you their body

Yep, totally the exact same thing :^)

>>22241434
Proof?

>>22242831
>western whores
>anime girl personalities
sorry, even if we're talking roleplay that doesn't work

>>22241621
Not really that controversial of a statement desu.

(or even inflammatory, unless ofc you count the "running scared" bit he says afterwards)

But it did manage to cause people on this Board (and elsewhere desu) to lose their shit for several weeks...

>>22242884
Oh yeah my bad, I forgot V"Shojo" existed...

>>22240796
Ollie telling indogs to learn english or fuck off
She may be a dumb zoomer but that was the peak of basedness possible for a vtuber

>>22240796
This and artia's most famous quote are the two most based things said by vtubers, and in both cases they were punished for it.

>>22241028
she has said yall on stream before so it is part of her vocab

>>22243048
If any of the ENs did this with Chinese you'd all shit your pants in rage

>>22243048
>peak of basedness
There is a lot of multilangual chuubas, Ban Hada for example.

>>22243048
>Now ID3 is mostly speaking in indo and yet still delivers good numbers for ID standards

>>22243048
Based Af, now if only EOPs can be given a similar treatment and be told to "Learn Japanese" already...

>>22243048
yea, now look at her ccv, even lower than Kobo who pandering to Indos

>>22243048
>learn english or fuck off
she said if she wanted to speak english, she will and her audience need not to remind her how incapable they are on speaking english.
in conclusion, don't spam her chat with "I CAN'T ENGLISH".

Why is it so impressive? It's akin to saying "water is wet". No duh

>>22243392
water is wet but some retards try to fight it regardless

>>22243392
People actually got mad at her and abandoned her for that statement alone. Then one by one both Japanese and western scene shows that Hana was right. Yet they still refused to listen.

>>22241174
Hana's "early breakout" was mostly just because she was one of the (at the time) few english speaking chubas in a mostly non-japanese landscape, so EOPs latched on to her for lack of better alternatives.

Then HoloMyth came along and sucked up all the air in the room as EOPs finally had "their" premiere vtubers, and there was no need for "ersatz" anymore, Hana's growth stalled (happened to a few other EOP-ersatz chubas at the time too). I don't dispute that some of her own choices (impostor syndrome, intentionally debuffing herself, etc.) also played a role, but it's indisputable how the pre-Myth and post-Myth landscape changed and how much effect that external factor had

>>22243342
She also ranted about how Indonesians that refuse to learn English are subhuman retards who deserve no human rights

>>22243533
>"ersatz"
Love the choice of word anon.

>>22241621
>>22241934
>Neckbeards sucking off fellow neckbeards
The state of nijiniggers

>>22243760
lmao i like this rrat

>>22243142
But no one speaks bug chitter, your analogy doesn't hold any ground.

>>22241934
>lasted over 3 weeks
>past tense
It's STILL happening.

>>22241621
He was right but the irony was actually that Noctyx also did way worst than Luxiem. Making of them the equivalent of council for Niji EN

>>22243760
nice rrat

>>22244420
No he's right. I was there

>>22240796
It's true

>>22244144
Bug is literally the most spoken language on the planet lol

>>22243760
Unironically Based and True. Love this Zoomer Zombie.

>>22241320
Dude even now that'd be pretty good for an ID. Disregarding ID 3 since they are still in debut honeymoon, usually only Ollie and Moona can get that number without gimmicks like collab or buff game.

>>22240796
Yes and it still makes people seethe because it’s the truth

>>22240796
Calling herself a cynical and shameless whore is pretty funny, yeah. Her parents are sure to be proud.

>>22243095
If you're not from the United States it's a different flavor of cringe to say y'all in real life

>>22241934
What was it that set them off?

>>22240895
Because the incels community cant take truth hammer

>>22244235
>He was right
No he the fuck wasn't. You have NO CLUE what Cover was thinking and how they felt about Council's performance. And considering they still got pushed into HoloFes when they didn't have to be means that Cover never actually cared and his statement was just some fucking /vt/ dramafagging bullshit.

>>22245154
Only Sana is doing pretty bad which is mix of bad luck(broken back), her own streaming choices/style and brown skin(fucking Flare is half a million subs behind next 3rd Gen member). Myth also had their own weak point being Kiara but she at least offsets it by her streaming hours and occasionally being the host for collabs. JPs also have their own weak members, Luna, Polka and Lui are not doing that good compared to their genmates.

>>22244965
But she American.

>>22245652
Oh well never mind then

>>22245072
>50%++ of her audience post-mick gordon arc was incels

Her parents don't love her. They abandoned her ass in Indonesia and it drove her insane.

>>22240796
Yes. There was massive cope about her being wrong for a while, but at this point almost all negative responses you see are attacks against her. It's an accepted fact.

>>22245154
Calm down holobrony. While we will never know for sure about Cover opinion, It's obvious that Council underperformed. All the numbers are available to us.
Council debuted 8 months ago, at this point every member in Myth already got to 1 million. Regarding superchats only Kronii does extremely well (the months she streams.)
It doesn't take a genius to see that in terms of business expection they're a failure. Now was that the exact feeling of Cover ? Who knows. Fungus was right on them being a failure.

>>22246020
>It's obvious that Council underperformed
"Didn't do as well as they expected" isn't a general "they underperfomed compared to myth." Go fuck yourself retard, he was a rrat pedalling retard just like the rest of you. Unelss you have actual facts to back up that Cover had high expectations of them to the level that they...decided to open up a new branch instead of just releasing a new gen? Then all you have is baseless and retarded conjecture from someone so insecure he's not only shitting on his branchmates but also propping up Luxiem because he's worthless himself.

>>22244235
>worst than

>>22246164
Why are you so sensitive about Council being a failure ? It's ok. Doesn't mean the girls are trash.
Also they didn't underperformed compared to Myth. They got destroyed by HoloX just like Myth outshined Gen 5 at the time

>>22240796
The main problem I had with this is she probably meant e-thot, or if she didn't, then others figured she meant it. I can't remember if she gave examples that would have made it obvious which she meant. Regardless, e-girl can just be any girl online that's been confirmed to be a girl. e-thot is an e-girl that also shows themselves or acts a certain way hoping it will net them some money or other benefits, typically still coming back to having to show themselves to continue getting said benefits. It doesn't even necessarily have to be in a sexy manner, but where they could choose to show nothing or not pander, they'll still do it because they know they'll probably get something doing so. Chuubas can do this by having a semi-lewd model and flaunting that, or pandering as some do, but otherwise chuubas by default aren't e-thots any more than any other e-girl since they are actively choosing not to show themselves, though the ones that do pander can continue doing so without showing themselves and technically makes for a better landscape for e-thots that otherwise couldn't get far since they might not look good enough.

tl;dr her base statement is correct but either she or those that got annoyed at it figured e-girl meant e-thot.

>>22240796
That's only true if you watch Twitch indies, NijiEN, Vshojo, etc. Their personalities are comparable to actual e-girls. Other than that, it's just massive cope by normalfags thinking their e-whores are on the same level as chuubas.

>>22240895
Honestly as much as this is career killing or not, this is still the most based vtuber take.

>>22243533
While I agree with you on the fact that Hana mainly got popular early on as an effectively EN chuuba pre-Myth, I still feel like she could've held her own better as a talent against the Holos had she not fumbled the ball.
But at the same time I also understand she didn't really want the EN """"weeb"""" audience, and people were making her and her father (or bf or whatever) uncomfortable. I think she's happy where she is now and I'm glad for her cuz of that, even if I don't watch her anymore.

>>22241309
truth is, with a virtual avatar you could either be like a regular e-girl, or be more, like a character. also, same way as being under anonimity makes people say things they wouldn't say under their name (see people here), a virtual avatar 'allows' you to be more free to be yourself. it's mostly psycological. and as you said, it removes the shackles of being limited to your make up and whatever you need to make your face/body look prettier for streams, with the cost of the avatar (usually thousands of dollars). but, to be fair, idk how much do regular streamers spend on looking good for streams. and no matter how much you spend, unless you're deliberately cosplaying a virtual avatar will allow you more freedom on how you want to look. after all, why look like a regular girl when you can look better.

>>22246020
>comparing anything to Myth
Myth was a once in a lifetime lucky star that cant be repeated again. Yagoo debuted them at the right time, and not to mention Susan culled Council subs so hard.
>Fungus
that's rich coming from a far lower in anything vtuber

>>22245072
You have to be fucking blind to think she only pissed the inceks with that statement.

>>22246616
There are retards who genuinely think only "incels" would get pissed with that statement.

>>22244420
That isn't even a rrrat. She went all out with that rant.

>>22240796
Pretty based but I think she'd be fine if she didn't include the 2nd tweet.
Not every opinion has to be said publicly, I guess.

>>22246598
Ok like I said Council was also mogged by HoloX. They did badly in every metric possible compared to everyone that debuted at a similar time.

>>22243281
No Japanese person will ever do that. Plus they understand how stupidly complex their own language is that they can't even teach it themselves for the most part.

>>22246757
And guess who's "underperforming" now?

>>22241621
Hey, it's the fat guy!

>>22245072

>>22246349
If they were an objective failure, they’d get axed or re-structured like Niji India/Korea. Cover will retire branches if they predict a long term financial loss, like CN. I don’t see that happening anytime soon with Council.

My guess is that Cover considers Council to be “good enough” which by definition is not a failure. They might not be exceeding expectations but they are probably meeting them

Imagine paying any woman anything that doesn't get my dick moisturized

>>22245744
I thought she lived with her dad? How is that abandoning?

Whether he was right or not, it will never not be funny that Fulgur was parroting /vt/ schizo rrats to his coworkers. Even the other /here/-chuubas we have aren't that stupid, meaning he's probably a tourist or a newfag.

>>22243760
>>22246674
"subhuman that doesn't deserve rights" was quite an inaccurate hyperbole but she sure was pissed about the whole showing off inability thing. But one thing she didn't consider was how shit education equality here that I won't be surprised if there are still elementaries with no English subject and with her background, no wonder her rant came off as classist or elitist (most of those might be said just for the meme and those with education inequality might not able to have a phone and internet access in the first place but being schooled ≠ civilized so there's that as well).

>>22247109
Her dad lives in Boston.

>>22241320
1k viewers is good even now

>>22240796
Depends on how you define e-girl. A girl on the internet? A titty streamer? A female streamer?

>>22246791
>thinking that anyone that criticizes Council is a nijifag
Holy cope, just take the L that Council didn't do as good as Myth, doesn't have anything to do with streamer quality, it's just a hard fact, it's in the numbers.

>>22246926
Are you for real ? You really think CN was cut because of financial losses ? Without the Taiwan yab CN would still exist. Holostars performed terribly for the longest time. Cover never gave up on them. ID had some troubles Cover never gave up on them.
Cover isn't Anycolor and Yagoo isn't Tazumi. Yagoo being a saviour fag isn't just a meme. Cover will never cut anyone unless they absolutely have too.
"Council is still there so they're not a failure" is the dumbest cope

>>22246791
I was the Anon that said it's ironic Fulgore said that since now Noctyx is underperforming. Soooo...

>>22246926
>Cover will retire branches if they predict a long term financial loss, like CN.
CN was mass-fired because the management and a few of the talents tried to backstab Yagoo. The "long-term financial failure" is technically true, but really it was just a nice way of saying "these people are just going to leech us of money while double-talking to the Chinese about how terrible we are, so to the curb they all go".

>>22246926
They will never flat out say they cut the CN branch because of politics. Financial success is just an excuse they gave but most people know the real reason.

>>22247437
For me personally, the things I like about some vtubers that separate them from the average 3D streamers are: keeping their intimate relationships out of the picture, ignoring drama/politics and having a genuine history with nerd/anime culture

>>22247821
I mean, it could also be financially motivated not because CN was doing badly, but because China was planning on introducing new VTubing laws that'd force foreign VTubers to comply with their internet laws and submit all their personal info to a database should they want to stream there.

>>22241083
She has serious imposter syndrome, she didn't like having the most subs and viewers.

>>22247449
Council is tailgating Myth much closer than Noctyx will ever tailgate Luxiem.

>>22241174
>sodafunk
>him
Really anon?

>>22247823
This is why I dont like twitch streamers they often break more than one of those rules.

>>22247449
HoloX is not doing as well as they were out the gate. Both Iroha and Laplus are fucking jokes, Chloe doesn't do nearly as well as she did initially and Koyori, bless her heart, may stream a shitton but she doesn't pull the same amount of live views. And Lui was always an "underperformer"

>>22248029
bruh, are you for real? or you're just a newfag?

>>22247990
another cope? are you literally paid by cover to defend Council with your dying breath? I am not a nijifag, i don't give a shit about niji so your comparison is worthless to me, i am not trashing Council i am just saying their numbers are not as high as Myth, why people here would rather die than accept this fact?

>>22247984
Why would you sign up for a job that requires you to have lots of fans only to get scared when you get lots of fans? I was neutral to her but now I'm starting to really dislike her.

>>22247558
Forget the CN branch stuff then. Hypothetically, if Myth never existed, and Council debuted first with the same metrics that they had now, I think that they would still be considered successful. Because their numbers are good enough to the point that they are probably making a profit for Cover, and they don’t need to be carried (financially) by HoloJP or Myth

>>22248029
>He doesn't know

>>22248171
Yes here's my big fat check signed by Yagoo himself *
How much did whoever runs Niji sent you?

>>22248171
Wait I thought the debate was about whether or not Council was considered a failure. Both “Council is doing worse than Myth” and “Council is not a failure” can be simultaneously true so I don’t see the issue here

>>22241174
Something about watching her for the games and her father, not understanding that all of that was more enjoyable through her.

Hana’s statement in OP is stupid, by the way.

>>22246616
>>22246645
t. Incels

>>22248171
lmao dude you should at least visit the numbers thread, the only one that is way ahead of them is Gura who is also ahead in general with Myth anyway, in other places besides Sana, Council can match Myth's numbers.

nijiniggers just can't stop losing. feels fucking good to never watch their shit

>>22248173
Please understand, Hana is a socially retarded half-eleven half-burger going to college in Indonesia of all places, working for a company she applied to as a joke while juggling school and whatever part time work she got, while being unable to go back to her family because Coconut Virus.
Good decision-making wasn't even on the table. All things considered, she handled it better than Mori did.

>>22240796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NLw-SDzfXM

>>22248180
Why are you talking in hypotheticals when we have actual facts in reality ?
What happens previously would always serve as a point of reference. You can't just say "if Myth never existed, Council would be a relative success". The reality of things is: Council was sandwiched between 2 generations that did astronomically better than them.

>>22240796
This is true for girls who LARP as vtubers aka twitch streamers using anime avatars. Girls who truly understand vtubing are not same.

>>22248458
why did she do it?

>>22247449
lol imagine how noctyx is performing then the metric are much way wider than the myth-council is,council is already dooinga good job despite not having that subs

>>22248457
Because I’m only disputing the assertion that they are failures in the financial sense, I don’t really care about how they are relative to other gens

Same stuff, different market, how is this even a hard pill to swallow?
e-girls have 3D simps and vtubers have 2D simps, that's all.

>>22241028
I live in Texas anon. It's pretty normal to say.

Y'ALL ARE JUST PROVING HER POINT

Y'ALL LACK ANY SELF-AWARENESS AND IT SHOWS

I still don't understand hana lol, back in the day I would watch her but as she goes on she felt fucking weirdo and slanted to a twitch type girl streamer

>>22248770
She scared me off with the PSO2 arc, since it was clear to me that she was just getting run ragged by school. I've seen people get fucked by overwork, so if I start seeing it in my entertainment, I just turn it off.
Recently, though, she seems a lot more into it again, so I've been watching her more.

>>22240796
Literally who ?

>>22246757
That's not actually true, though?
(Keep in mind that Council is even affected by Susan cull here in this chart)

>>22240918
>>22240796
These two are on the same level.

>>22248578
They are a failure in the business sense of things. If you make something that sells 50k then try to sell something similar and well 25k, it's a failure. Even if the 25k you sold brought relatively good money. Stop copping

>>22247706
Look at what they need to imitate a fraction of their power.

>>22247706
all of NijiID SC combined probably can't beat a single reine.

>>22249219
The all time CCV is not what translates directly to money. As revenue is their worst sources of money.
What matters is 1 superchats. Chloe and Laplus are often in the montly top 10 whereas Council members aren't (outside of special events like birthdays)
2 Suscribers count: the subs aren't directly the most important things but they often correlates to popularity. Which helps sells the main source of income: merchandising. Big sub counts also more than often correlate to membership numbers

>>22245154
>You have NO CLUE what Cover was thinking and how they felt about Council's performance.
On the contrary, I know how capitalism works, and I know that corporations only release new products (in this case, Vtubers) if they expect them to do better than the previous versions of those products. Do you think EA or Activision would release new games if the sales kept dropping in comparison to previous games?

>>22243506
It doesn't matter if she's right. All it accomplishes is filtering out your viewers.

>>22240796
It can't be, because it's false. There are Vtubers (All branches of Hololive, 774, Voms, etc.) and there are virtual e-girls (vshojo, nijiEN/ID, most of twitch indies). They are two different species.

>>22245072
INCELS INCELS INCELS
SIMPS SIMPS SIMPS
INCELS INCELS INCELS

>>22249659
I buy merch and have memberships but I never superchat, a majority of people are like this, and some even just buy merch, thoughts?

>>22240796
She was right, but not in the way she thought she was. What she wanted to say was:
>Face streamers are just as good as Vtubers are!
What she ended up saying was:
>All women are whores, and Vtubers are no different.
Again, she's right, but obviously she wouldn't be saying those exact words about herself.

>>22248029
Nice bait

>>22240796
There were people who actually got upset at this?

>>22249689
>Do you think EA or Activision would release new games if the sales kept dropping in comparison to previous games?
They do though. Even fucking Final Fantasy is subject to this and had to get carried by the profits of FFXIV

>>22249786
Huh, cool for you. Buying merch is in the vast majority of cases the best way to support your oshi. So good job I guess. I don't know what you want me to tell you

I don't think that's true.
You watch an E-girl to jerk off
Usually they don't have many talents
I watch a vtuber to watch her play retro games and hear her sing, she's a real gamer and her voice is top tier, on top of that she's actially fun to watch (she always has something funny to say and she doesn't like drama, unlike e-girls)
And most important, I don't jerk off to her avatar. She's cute and all but doesn't make me horny
I can watch her with my little sister and it's fun because she makes her laugh and does't say bad words

Now that I think about this.. watching a vtuber is like watching Barney or Peppa Pig, but it's for adults too

Sorry for my bad english

Did Hana ever finish P4?

>>22249821
Yeah, 'e-girl' as a term conjures images of Amouranth and Alinity who mostly just do softcore porn for twitch teenagers, and not normal streamers who are women.

the thing about DYRBI is that Artia tried to back-pedal her own words when all kept tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down, telling her fans that she truly loved them

>>22248171
>i am not trashing Council i am just saying their numbers are not as high as Myth
Even Myth doesn't exactly get the view counts they did when they debuted, which was like nearly 30k a stream. Behind view culling, normalfags just lose interest after the debut phase save for special events.
But what does that mean about other corps then like Niji with Ethyria and now Noctyx? Their numbers weren't as good as other waves either.

>>22250245
She couldn't because of Atlus permissions. Basically they'll let you play a little bit of it, but they will never let you finish the game. She even said that in the description with "Sorry if this playthrough ends abruptly".

>>22243339
That's the reason it was based. She told them to fuck off without caring about the consequences

>>22247149
What's her background? Is she rich or something?

>>22250748
ah, ok

>>22240796
Woke cunts don't deserve a place in the entertainment industry

>>22248173
She's literally American. She's from Boston, so she's a triple mentally ill leftist retard. There's no logic or reason

>>22250748
There's a difference between "not caring" and "not understanding". Even we seemed to underestimate how big the Indonesian audience for ID Vtubers is, since we always just assume that it's nothing but EOPs.

>>22241026
literally every single (female) vtuber is by definition an e-girl

Not true
E-girls are just whores
Not every vtuber is a whore. Not the one I watch.
Vtubers can't ahegao so sadly they have to show some talent instead

>>22251834
>E-girls are just whores
might as well attach an image saying "i have no idea what i'm talking about"

What the fuck is an e-girl? I only watch vtubers that have respectful public conduct

i only watch socially acceptable vtubers like gura

>>22248173
getting lots of fans wasn't the problem as much as the expectations they had. people showed up for her FPS streams but not as much to her other streams, she has always valued the freedom to streams what she felt like and didn't want to be forced into one thing in order to chase numbers or trends.
it's a similar situation with her father. when you get comments in chat or Twitter asking about when she plans to have him on again, are they really watching for her?

come on you fags, noone can ever be more based then the "do you really beleeb" chink

>>22240796
I loved how her fans left her after that

>>22249689
>corporations only release new products if they expect them to do better than the previous versions of those products.
ok explain why they keep putting out new holostars generations.

>>22240796
>>22245072
>>22246425
Fleshtubers are gatekept by looksism. People who defend looksism are not based at all.

>>22241621
i still don't get why people hate him for this one; he's literally just talking numbers. since when do people treat numbers talk this seriously?

>>22244965
you know she's, like, half American, right?

>>22240796
>make this statement
>start doing unlisted 'after dark' streams where you forego the family friendly gimmick
>get membership
>immediately start pandering to coomers like a typical e-girl

>>22241621
He's fat, I hate fat people, opinion discarded

>>22255592
the difference between an e-thot and hana is that hana is ACTUALLY horny - just look at her alt twitter

>>22255592
The metamorphosis is complete, welcome to vshojo!

>>22247149
I think she was more frustrated at how they were sending "can't English" without thinking how selfish that is and what that would mean for her. She was using EN for EN viewers and ID for ID viewers and JP for JP viewers depending on the context and superchats, how retarded do you have to be to not understand the difficult position that puts her in? What did the people complaining even want her to do, ignore entire EN fanbase?

>>22255148
because he threw shade at others while outing himself as a numberfag. There were better ways of phrasing what he said but putting it in the context of being a numberfag is not one of them.

>>22243092
Artia didn't live long enough to have any real consequences for dyrbi.

That we have to keep drawing lines and creating silly delineations and nonexistent standards to separate vtubers from e-girls only proves her right.

How da fuck is half this thread Council wars? Niggas needa chill

>>22243859
Haha Selen is buta! Oink oink!

>>22255148
They hate him for speaking the truth. Most people can't handle the truth

>>22248394
>he doesn't understand banter

>>22240895
It had 0 influence on her careeer

>>22240796
>2020
Try saying that now

>>22240895
This is really just the cherry on Hana's career-killing sundae. She put in a lot more work to undermine herself.

>>22240796
She killed her career and made Nijisanji irrelevant in english, thinking about it, it was kinda based, thanks to her now we can laugh at nijikeks

>>22242949
>Not really that controversial of a statement desu.
yeah it only lives rent free in the head of holobronnies to this day, creating tons of shitposts and falseflags and seethe, shitting up catalog and threads

>>22240796
No.

>>22245072
Are you saying the vtuber industry depends on incels? So you don't matter at all?

>>22258138
Didn't Pomu private her stream because of that ?

>>22259201
I'm not even sure anymore. It was a super short stream too, like 36 minutes long. Still, they were pretty normal with each other at the crab game collab

>>22243778
It's a great word for this because there is no proper english alternative with the same connotation.
Funnily enough, neither is there a proper alternative in my native language.

(if you don't know .de, "ersatz" can best be translated as "substitute", but for example a spare part of a machine is "ersatzteil" - it's not exactly the same)

>>22247706
it's a shame because mika and bobon are actually entertaining

>>22243142
Fucking NijiEN keep your chinks in check before they start believing their own bullshit.

The hell is an e-girl?

>>22261366
e-girlgling on this thick semen

>>22240796
god i WISH my oshi masturbates on stream.

>>22261366
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Pools,%20Hot%20Tubs,%20and%20Beaches

>>22259044
I kneel

>>22240796
For the most part I'd agree, but it's like saying all Female streamers are E-girls. Depending on whatever slang definition you use that might be true, but some of them are genuinely good entertainers.
GirlDM is probably my favorite for the fact that she doesn't make sex jokes or cringey weeb jokes (she talks about Anime, she doesn't go "ara ara" 1000 times a stream like someone we all know.)

I think the moment that killed the illusion for me was this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXR0IhrA4rw&t=2s
Silver is just trying to manipulate and arouse her audience, and doesn't have any value as a content creator beyond that. Fuck's sake, even Melody knows to keep the sexual stuff off of twitch.

>>22252733
That should be a sign for her to not be boring as fuck

>>22240895
it wasn't career killing, Hana had the benefit of being an English speaking Vtuber in a time before HoloEN and the massive influx of EN Vtubers, people just moved on from her since there were more options in the market. Big fish in a small pond kind of situation

>>22264895
It's sad since Silver wasn't always this bad, before shojo before even meeting melody she had a lewd model, but cared about her audience and really wanted people she was friends with to do well constantly raiding smaller tubers she knew. Don't even know how to describe what she is now, definitely not what she was in 5-6 years ago.

>>22266280
What I think is the most wild part of it is that she was friends with Sachiowo back when they were first getting started.

>>22264895
>I think the moment that killed the illusion for me was this
Now this is fucking disgusting. Good thing Cover keeps their talents on a leash.

>>22240918
Agree. Except artia was able to get the message across without sounding like a cunt like hana

>>22268819
Yeah, but that was only because Artia is incapable of sounding like anything other than a retard.

>>22259044
Based

>>22255294
No, I didn’t know that. I have an itchy trigger finger for y’allposters, speaking as someone that actually lives in the y’all region. I am sorry.

>>22240895
This is child's play compared to the tard wrangling hana does

>>22255937
That's not very architect of you bro.

>>22240796
Sometimes I wonder if Niji would have opened an English branch first if Hana didn't nerf herself as hard as she did. I know that there are many other factors to take into consideration but she was decently big back in the day.

She is not wrong
E thots only exist because simps are pathetic and dumb

>>22240895
>boo hoo a fake anime girl said mean things about me on twitter

>>22270150
Yes, saying "mean things" about your fans is a great way to lose your audience.

>>22268819
The chinese can't properly imitate human intention yet

>>22259044
I will now watch your oshi

>>22251595
being based requires neither caring or understanding

>>22270652
>copy post from 4chan
>receive viewers
It's that easy.

I expected more Hana Macchia art in a Hana thread. Very disappointed.

>>22240895
nah

That's what happens when you bring normies into your hobby.
Corpo vtubing is done, gatekeep your 2view as hard as you can.

>>22244687
And most spoken means fucking nothing next to most widely spoken. Theres just that many bugs in bugland.

>>22241320
Yes? There are people that have streamed for seven years and get around 800~1,500 viewers per stream and they are able to stream full time.

>>22241320
anon, even a significant portion of Niji JP can't even break that number.

>>22246535
That's not the point, just her being happy is not enough, she is literally carrying the entire branch on her shoulders.

Now imagine if Moona stopped playing with Pekora in the early stage of Pekomoon in October 2020, just because she can't handle all of the new attentions and she doesn't want to leave her genmates behind. There would never be that kino collab and gen 2 might never get the attention they got and Holo ID may also be closed by now.

Or Fubuki/Korone/Coco stopped doing what the overseas guys wants because they don't want to surpass their genmates, kouhais, and senpais.

That's what was wrong with Hana, she should maximize her popularity because it will spill over to the entire branch instead of leaving her genmates and kouhais behind.

>>22281305
lmao this nakiriayame girl can't even japanese

>>22281649
NTA, so what do you think hana should do back then?
invite mick gordon to do freetalk with her? more streams with her father?
because i see almost no way for her to continue the hype. and it's even worse when she decided to handicap herself.

>>22241197
Yeah Mika is trying to undo all that's wrong with Niji ID, but it's too late because the management is impatient.

>>22241225
Wrong, the existence of the ID branch was just too premature. Indonesia is poor, the overwhelming majority still doesn't have the unlimited access of wifi, only 8million household having an access to wifi while around 50m more still using mobile internet or doesn't have access to internet at all.
Give some time for the economy to grow and the ID scene will be able to at least rivaling the JP in numbers.
It's even starting to show now, why do you think Kobo is getting that ridiculous number for an ID despite speaking in ID most of the time?

Nijisanji is the one that is walking towards their doom. Look at large indies general and you can see that KR scene is inclining just as Niji KR got axed. Same with ID, a handful of indies are getting more numbers than Holo ID, and local agencies and smaller indies already far surpassing Niji ID, just as they decided to merge the management.

>>22240895
>career killing move
I’ve seen people say worse and be completely fine a few days after. This tweet isn’t even that bad and is in fact the type of tweet to go viral and gain free exposure.

>>22282270
>Indonesian demographic is poor, majority dont have wifi, so thats why id branch are premature
wrong retard, the internet trends are similar to gooks, its either youtubers or gamers who got attentions, local donation gateway are available since 2016 means the demand for stream donos already big enough, its anime niche who got sided, vtubers still have low demands

>>22281866
NTA but since the post you're replied to mention Moona, I think someone in NijiID take over the baton from her. I mean Risu was basically also in the similar position with Hana at the time but Moona take over the responsibility to carry her branch when was going MIA so many times.
So basically rather than Hana, I think it's her branchmates that should man up at that time

>>22285281
if only mika had debuted prior that time, NijiID could've survive as a branch.

>>22285420
There was no NijiEN back then, so what Mika is doing now wouldn’t be possible.

>chubbas are the same as twitch thots who actually bully their subscribers if they don't give them enough money
No. She was wrong and projecting.

>>22285281
i think you are right, prior flower gurl reclining, theres no one in niji id can take over the market, their present are too shallow, and i think the management trying to pander to id market more, with asking local artist to draw the most ugly character designs on niji

>>22284976
Hana intentionally sabotaged her popularity, this was just one step off her path to being NijiID's poster child. Thankfully Mika is more than happy to take it.

>>22285477
they couldve just constantly doing collab with HoloID. it would still boost their popularity even if it's just a little bit.

>>22286035
From what I've noticed, those who watch Hololive wouldn't really start watching Nijisanji even if they collab a lot.

>>22247127
I use that exact same shade of purple for my window highlight color.