/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Finally. Hopefully they wont be trannies

>>21975920
....

>>21975920
It's all troons with voice changers that have codemonkey knowledge.

>>21975920
>I hope this fire won't be hot!
anon...

>>21975920

I watched some jp coding indies, bit they all are obsessed with python
I hope this will be more interesting
also fun fact that Luna is programmer herself

Memes aside, I legitimately am interested in actually-good STEM vtubers, so hopefully they can live up to the marketing. With a few exceptions, most "coder" vtubers so far seem to have just taken an odd CodeAcademy webshit course

Its run by a troon FUCK

>>21975920
With that color palette for their logo? Surely not!!!!!

It's a shame that 2/4 of them are confirmed obnoxious troons

OH NO NO NO

Already got my coding autist chuba
https://youtu.be/AS_Z6eQdnh4
https://youtu.be/WZX_8na7xAo

>>21975920
>programmer
>weeb
>wamen (or wamen presenting)
it is inevitable

What are some REAL coder vtubera that arent codemonkey troons

Damn watch out random Indian dude on youtube. These girls are coming for your job.

>>21976030
>Followed by nullptr::live
Why are you following them in the first place?

why are all programmers trannies nowadays
what happened
where did misogynist PC nerds go

>>21976030
Lmfao. Already a tranny. And not just the silent, not a big deal type. The obnoxious, seriously mentally sick, type. All this twitter is missing is the BLM.

>>21976097
they're still there, they just don't use Twitter

>>21976097
>can't even fill one shelf with books
Embarrassing, why would you show that off?

>>21976097
They're all women now

>>21976097
A combination of the autism->troon pipeline, the demonisation of being a cishet male... and plain AGP

/dpt/ already has La+ as their OP for quite a few months now

today I will remind them

>>21976027
If the rest are real women I feel sorry for them, having to hang out with those people. It must feel like a joke.

>>21976039
>Rust
>somehow the only non-tranny ITT

>>21976097
Coding is inherently a profession for soulless bugmen. Real men go into the arts.

>>21975997
coding is boring

>>21975997
Why? You won't learn shit. Best way to learn code is to actually do it and talk about what your working on with one or a few others to bounce ideas off of. Not even the super autismos I know would want to willingly listen to some tranny shilling their game for hours on end.

>>21976249
brainlet spotted

>>21975920
The project is lead by https://twitter.com/LunaFoxgirlVT
The flag in his bio should be enough for you to figure out what is going on

>>21976027
>progesterone
At least I learn new words every day...

>>21976267
t. senior software dev, I don't need to learn anything, I just enjoy listening to fellow nerds talking

>>21976097
misogynists became trannies

>>21975920
Based

>>21976097
Contrary to popular belief, actual real medically diagnosed autistics and incredibly easy to sway with propaganda and because 99% are sexually repressed they will willingly go with whatever gives them an easy outlet like tranny shit.

Self diagnosed faggots who think their autists to make up for the lack of friends are just regular losers who still have a bit of self awareness that most regular people have.

>>21975997
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9wbdkwvYVSgKtOZ3Oov98g
https://cyannyan.com/
actual coding vtuber that is 100% a cute chinese girl.

Well, I already know how to code, and I'm not one to shit on someone else's ability if it's not grossly stupid.

But that's also why this kind of tech talk is entertaining to me. Let's see how it goes. Sounds too niche to ever go big.

>>21976506
I'll take literally anyone over mentally ill people like trannies.

>>21976030
Inochi2D is a cool piece of software though

>>21976345
>I just enjoy listening to fellow nerds talking
based

>>21976097
Trannies think programming instantly makes them intelligent and cool so they latch on to it. It boosts their fragile egos and when somebody points out they're insane retarded degenerate men LARPing as women they can reply with "well akshually I can program so that means I'm le smart you stupid chud".

>>21976097
Those people misogyny-looped themselves into becoming women to reap the positive benefits of being a woman that they convinced themselves of. Now they can farm attention and love from people that previously viewed them as sub-human when they were males.

>>21976219
Those socks suck ass, though. You need ones that go further up so they don't slip off your knees all the time.

>>21976225
one is simply male. that's a thing you can be

>>21977164
Zettai ryōiki...

>>21976312
Oh... Well there goes looking forward to that.

>>21977164
how do you know that anon?

>>21976230
This
there's a reason that chads back then were called "Warrior-poets" not "Warrior-coders"

>>21975997
Fun fact, It’s called codecademy. Didn’t realize until after I took a couple courses (if you can even call them that) on there

>>21975920
trannies or indian vtubers
which is worse?

>>21975897
Are they girls?

>>21975897
But i dont wanna.

>>21975920
here's your programmer chuubas bro

>>21977905
No.

>>21977456
I like to wear ones with a length like the one labeled 3 on >>21977436

>>21978050
Then what’s the point?

>>21975920
ah had a good laugh at the optimism

>>21978068
L
O
N
D
O
N

>>21978072
to indoctrinate vulnerable people into transitioning

>>21978072
I don't know anon... I don't know.

>>21975897
Thats a very specific timing after Kobo.

>>21975991
I'd give anything to see Luna programming streams.
Luna makes Hololive VN with chat when?

>>21978129
They've been working on this since late 2020, if you look at the social media registration dates.

Inescapable fact: modern computing is the invention of a gay man who got inspired by clothing companies. He was also driven to suicide thanks to using hormones. Anyone who codes is a tranny loving faggot and anyone who uses a computer supports this degenerate behavior.

Sent from my campfire's smoke signal

>>21978129
niggas know they wont stand a chance against my daughter if she ever does coding streams

>>21975920
There will be cause they will pull a
>Non-binary cause binary coding lel
Shit.

The call them
Hierro Transista

This one was posted on /g/ a few days back.
Prepare your ears for pure sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LonzMviFCNs&start=1631

>>21978115
I'm not a woman, I just like crossdressing.

So this group's a bit of a mess.
1 has a formal debut video up (the one on Youtube)
1 just did a single video and just like not even a real into just video
1 is just 100% Whatever YOLO and seems to have been active for a while before announcement
1 is apparently starting this weekend.

Now the question is: Is this thread about the actual vtubers or another TRANNY MENACE thread?

>>21978190
>tranny color scheme
no thx

>>21978190
Wow best voice I've ever heard.

>>21978219
do you want trannies to start entering the vtuber space like they did with women's sports?

>>21978281
They already have, anon.

>>21978281
I honestly don't care about that.
If you make good content I will watch you.
If you make shit content I will mock you on /vt/
It's how it is for me.

>>21978281
>start
Anon...

>>21978281
>start entering
You're like 3 years late

>wants good coder chuubas
>wants female chuubas
You anons are going to have to make your minds up

>>21978363
>doesn't mock trannies simply for existing as living freakshows
shit standards you got there

>>21978482
A man can dream anon. I want my cute dorky programmer girlfriend!

>>21975897
So like... painful endurance stream is them troubleshooting some vendor's ass-awful BLE drivers?

>>21976097
It is actually kind of odd. I do C# desktop programming and have never encountered an actual tranny in all the time I have been working. 100's of programmers and no trannies. I figure they all must do webshit.

>>21978683
One of their chuubas reverse-engineers Apple hardware, the other works on modern-day SCSI tools. So, I guess, yes.

>>21975897
>no biologically female Terry Davis schizophrenic genius vtuber that thinks everyone but her fans are out to get her and actually believes she is her character.

>>21978773
why live?

>>21978700
Most troons seem to be into lower level stuff

>>21976027
>progesterone
I'm going to fucking die laughing

>>21978773
Oh god imagine
Even without all the turbo yab material Terry had going on, a full legit genius schizo playing a vtuber would be amazing.
I miss Terry though. His OS fucking sucked overall, but his dedication and programming ramblings were entertaining and his methodology were good.
Stallman vtuber when? He'll make his own system hacked together with 18 different libraries and icons straight out of the 90s.

>>21977871
indian call centre vtubers would unironically be kino

>make a programmer vtube group
>they are all, without a single miss, troons
the memes really are true, jesus christ

>>21978961
Well, look at the bright side anon. They will probably be dead by their own hands in a few years anyway.

>>21978961
one isn't, stop projecting

https://streamable.com/s8ehzz
its time

>>21979058
Check their twitter profiles

>>21978954
I've seen some Indian vtubers a couple times before.
You ever seen those videos with loud screechy as fuck ads from India? Yeah, it was literally that. I damn near had a fucking heart attack when I opened the stream.
I can't remember who it was. In fact I remember literally removing them from my watch history when i was trying to find another video I recently watched.

>>21979262
If I were an Indian chuuba I'd probably use Johnny Johnny Yes Papa as my loading music

>>21976030
eww no, i was getting interest but fuck traps and woke hoe's

>>21979058

Chuuba 1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LonzMviFCNs (You can literally tell by his voice that it's a tranny)
Chuuba 2: https://twitter.com/lethalbit (transflag using hearts, she/her on bio)
Chuuba 3: https://twitter.com/CAI_TAnVT (transflag, she/her on bio)
Chuuba 4: https://twitter.com/LunaFoxgirlVT (furry, transflag, LGBT flag)

Anon I...

>>21975920
Best case scenario they are just regular men.

>>21978281
>start

>>21978961
ALL of them? There are a few female weebs in my compsci classes. How come none of them are interested in the vtubing gravy train?

>>21978604
Me too

I don't mind trannies
keep seething
if they are based as Dakooters even better

>>21979828
I used to watch GDQ. I know most of them are the furthest thing from "based" you could think of.

>>21979522
I give this group two months max before their either lose interest or implode from drama

>>21979885
Fuck, I hope this isn't the beginning of SJW entryism to ruin yet another escapist hobby then

fags

>>21979991
Half the vtubers on twitch are already trannies. Thankfully most people just seem to ignore them.

>>21979991
>beginning
how new?

>>21978217
post bmi

>>21975920
It absolutely will be and you know it.

>>21976027
Three. And Asahi might be Marcan trying to LARP as a female with that terrible voice changer.

>>21978700
C# is old. Most toon are into new, cutting edge shit or webdev. Also cutting edge shit, like the newest npm package out there.

>>21980181
This is a bait thread and that's a common bait response. Do your reps man.

>>21981169
Poe's Law man. A large amount of people here probably unironically believe this.

>>21976030
>From Denmark
Unwatchable

Why dos /vt/ hate trans?
is it for the same reasons as conservatives or something else?

>>21976312
Thanks for the notice anon. This is a HARD pass.

>>21981353
Because /vt/ only likes chuubas they can imagine themselves fucking.

>>21981318
I mean the only reason this thread was made was because of this probably showing up on reddit and them going "HAS THE MAGIC COLORS" and thus bait thread created.

I want to watch women not men

>why are there so many trannies
Because they actually do shit instead of whining on the internet.

>>21975897
>ASIC design
It'd be cool if Claire Wolf was in on this. She basically jump started the entire open-source FPGA ecosystem. Probably too busy though.

>>21981353
I don't in theory, but in practice they tend to be BPD, NPD, SJW, and various other acronyms that make them painful to watch

>>21981748
Look at least they're not CCP. Can we agree on that at least?

>>21981848
As long as they're gcc

>>21981848
I'd rather that than them.

>>21976430
Even better, here's an actual journal article showing that there's a link between autism and gender transitioning.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30062396/

>>21981899
clangbros...

>>21981748
>>21981848
What the fuck are all those acronyms? Why do you even take the fucking time to learn those shit?

>>21982545
consider that in actuality it's the other way around with regards to autism
https://www.sciencealert.com/high-levels-of-estrogen-in-the-womb-linked-to-autism-once-more

>>21982765
That might explain why the older a woman is, the higher the chance of autism in a child she bears. Because her womb is so old and withered that it keeps injecting the wrong chemicals.

>>21976283
the logic is fun but the coding itself is boring. ah my bad, you're just shitposting. sorry

>>21975920
The only female coders I have ever met were old Chinese women. Like in their late 40s

>>21981353
I have no problem with trannies in theory, but in reality so many of them basically make their entire identity and personality about them being trannies and whatever letter combination sexualities or mental illnesses they have, and it's obnoxious as all hell

>>21978037
I took that pic

>>21983043
Sounds like prime vtubing material
HAG LOVE

>>21981353
This>>21983047

>>21981353
I saw them ruin Games Done Quick

>>21984330
t. plebeian

If they do FPGA dev and/or embedded stuff I might forgive them. Or if they go full GNU/schizo

>>21976030
A lot people with profiles that have a bunch of languages: OK only really speak english and DEEPL the rest. It's honestly more annoying to me than all the pronoun or gay flag bullshit

>>21981353
They don't, it's just that being trans is an easy and effective weak point for attacking people they dislike (which is everyone).

Why are there no real woman game developers?

>>21984966
Because they get their breast milk stolen in the Bill Cosby room

>>21984966
There are.

>>21981353
Liberals hate trannies, too.

>>21984966
Because women are able to get real programming jobs not making toys.

>>21985131
Liberals are conservatives.

>>21978254
Are you serious or just a shill? He's trying way to hard to sound girly

>>21975897
>nullptr::live considered harmful

>>21976027
Progesterone is based af

>>21976506
This one's pretty good. Actually made me get into Rust. Her non-programming streams are kinda boring though.

there is a chance that there are REAL trannies in this thread. chilling.

>>21976249
The job of the Chuuba is to make it not boring

>>21975897
if you thought elden ring had a lot of backseaters, just wait until these streams

>>21975920
I can't wait for all of them to have programming socks in their designs.

serious question, how do I find ASIC job? what kind of project should I work on to put on my resume? My degree had a bit of computer engineering so I did a bit of fpga and vlsi

>>21978217
So you are a faggot

>>21975920
>"i sure hope this rain won't get me wet!"

>>21986068
Don't look in /asp/

>>21978156
If not for him, Hitler would've won. Truly, degeneracy lies within the code.

I honestly believe /g/'s meme about coding with thigh highs is the reason why there are so many mentally ill programmers pretending to be women nowadays.

>>21986523
Then you are a retard.

>>21981353
Because I am transphobic, seeing a faggot dressed up as a girl is the most uncanny shit and makes me disgusted

>>21976097
Why do these assholes just put "gay" in every sentence they type? It's like I'm back in 5th grade except nobody's banging my mom

>>21985480
suckless vtubing pipeline when?

>>21978217
based
can you post astolfo or felix cosplay onegai?

>>21986717
You are wrong I am banging your mom

>>21984966
I'm only going to shill my 2view indie game dev female chuuba ONCE so enjoy it
https://www.twitch.tv/sammy_mochitsuki

>>21978281
>start

>>21986717
That's their whole personality: being trans/gay.

>>21986752
Suckless is dead, they're all bitreich gophers now. They finally came around to the point of not writing software for linux that they always made fun of the 9frenten for.

>>21981353
>Why dos /vt/ hate trans?
Imagine liking mentally ill men who pretend to be girls and demand everyone must play along with their lie or be destroyed. There's something deeply wrong with people who don't hate trannies.

>>21986859
Aw dammit, not again!

>>21986717
I mean, they are all gay manga, both literally and pejoratively. None of it is the good gay manga like Itou Hachi or Ken Kurogane.

>>21987064
I don't see how that's a problem, I already treat most men like girls because of how mentally and physically inferior they are to me.

>>21987347
Don't you get it? Female clothing and demeanor is supposed to indicate a potential fuckable entity to a male - that is its only purpose. If female clothing and demeanor is adopted by a non-fuckable entity, the male goes apeshit. This is also why some clothing which is female and thus unacceptable on a male now used to be acceptable in the past - it wasn't used as signaling back in the day.

>>21976027
>>21980875
only in 2022. anyway, stillbirth. つぎ

>>21981353
I don't care about their political affiliation personally so it's not the same reason as conservatives for me. My problem is they're fucking annoying. They're exactly like /pol/ in that they only have three (3) topics of conversation and they will drag them into every online discussion possible. Don't like it? They'll start throwing a fit and ruin everything.

>>21978037
Me on the left

>>21979091
Very based

I only support Japanese otokonoko because they are actually cute
would have sex with dick notwithstanding
that femboy bussy be hittin' different

>>21981360
No, they don't pass.

>>21976097
Of course it's yuri. Transbians are the gift that keeps on giving.

>>21987440
take the bisexuality pill
majority of female and male chuubas already took it

>>21976150
This

>>21981353
Uncanny valley, using superchats as methods of pushing for their cause as well as general entitlement and treatment of biological women. Obviously this doesn't include literally everyone but it's common enough to illicit a very negative reaction.

>>21975920

>>21988456
You can't post that image and not tell us their names

>>21981353
They are the same kind of idiots that used to be otherkin in the early tumblr days except when you call them out on their annoying attitude you get cancelled online

Also I have no dobut they are being pushed by the elites because permanent patients constantly dumping their money on botched surgeries, medicine, therapy and painkillers is good for the elites with stakes on the medical industry

>>21988882
>used to

>>21988772
neither dakooters nor artemis does this as far as I know
so not a fan of generalisations myself

>>21988878
@meimeidol
@PUUTAN_318
@gin_sym

>>21988692
It's not bisexuality, it's just that weaker males than me don't count as men.

>>21989332
Ok Yujiro

>>21979091
How can she say this when she's a tranny herself?

>>21989332
t. ancient Roman

>>21975920
Nigga. If you don't already know, you're ngmi.

>>21981369
This but unironically.

>>21975920
Points for you anon, i laughed out loud

>>21976097
/g/

>>21975920
Maximum KEK

>>21976163
This. In terms of programming literature, I could fill a shelf with just books I've read and another with books I haven't. I could fill a whole case if I had physical copies of my pdfs.

>The programming vtuber group is full of trannies

What did you expect?

>>21987440
>Female clothing and demeanor is supposed to indicate a potential fuckable entity to a male - that is its only purpose. If female clothing and demeanor is adopted by a non-fuckable entity, the male goes apeshit
If the only way you can recognize a woman is by the clothes, you're ngmi. How did you even pass primary school with this ape brain of yours

>>21981353
I don't hate them but they should be confined to colonies like lepers with no phone or internet access to prevent spreading their sickness to vulnerable minds. They are contagiously demon possesed as are their enablers.

>>21978954
DO NOT REDEEM THE SUPER CHAT SIR

>>21980875
4/4 like pottery

>>21975897
Vtuber hardware reviews of GPUs and motherboards incoming, RIP mkbhd

>>21986211
Depends on which part of the ASIC design flow you're interested in, but broadly speaking I'd suggest grad school as a starting point.

'Programming vtubers' goes into the pile of shit people say they think would be cool to see from a vtuber but once they're actually linked nobody actually goes to watch. Any vtubers trying to put out dev streams instantly drop it because it's such a terrible boring debuff.

>>21992103
The coding train gets a ton of Vod Views, but then again he's a very entertaining professor and has a huge community built up.

If any of them were cis women they would have a potential for a good sized following. Sadly it looks like they are all AMAB.

I want to ask /g/ about their opinion on this, but I can't come up with a good semi-bait op to garner interest. How unfortunate.

lmao probably getting a boner feeling so validated as they switch on the voice changer and wearing disgusting rainbow thigh high toe socks.

>>21975897
another small corpo announcement that gets a thread with lots of replies, but doesn't actually go anywhere once they actually debut.

Arent you guys tired of this?

>>21975920

>>21976027
>Progesterone
Campbell's Chunky soup better

>>21975991
whats wrong with python

Should we tell her?

>>21976027
>>21976030
>>21976097
>>21978037
>>21978190
>>21979828
>>21980875
>>21981353
>>21984878
>>21988456
>>21988692

>>21993282
This isn't a thread for the corpo, it's just a thread where we laugh at trannies.

>>21975937
And they will wear the obligtory programmer socks, whether you want it or not

>>21993340
Nothing. It gets the shit done and it's easy to read and work with even if you are not a coding person. Which is why it's used for scientific code, because some scientists aren't into coding but still need to understand and code a bit. If you don 't need low level code that has to run as fast as possible, it's a very good, multipurpose language.
But it's boring content since it's very entry tier and there's already a shit ton of python "devs" out there.

>>21991228
Fucking kek'd

>>21979091
Who the fuck is this?

>>21981353
Just edgy kids trying to be part of something.
When you get older and browse /vt/ after spending most of your day getting rich.... you don't have enough energy to waste on any kind of negativity, let alone being part of it.
This is why corpo chubas who filter negativity are so successful.

>>21987064
I mean, you don't have to like them but why hate?
As someone who isn't into them, I just treat them neutral but I don't give enough shits to hate em.

>>21979522
that voice on the first one lmao

>>21997753
I think I can understand that, I'm pretty well off and work a full time job so I don't have enough energy or care capacity to give a shit what someone else does with their life as long as they aren't actively harming me.

>>21975897
>>21975920
>>21976027
>>21976030
>>21980875
>>21979522
They're all trannies... Why am I surprised?

>>21976039
Isn't it super boring watching person code?
I mean, the only way i see this work if she posted like 3 minutes shorts about interesting features or code or something along those lines.
Or a full blown 5 hour tutorial.
Watching a person slowly code is painful. since she would have to be focused on code and not interaction with viewers.

>>21977436
lol, wtf, they all need knee surgeries

>>21976097
They were hired at Blizzard

>>22002073
>she

>>21975920
>i hope programmer vtubers aren't trannies

>>22002135
that's how Japanese girl legs look like retard

>>21976097
Trannies for some reason are detail oriented. They like programming, Path of Exile, real roguelikes or generally difficult games. Stuff you would normally associate with autism.

>>21984966
There are. There is more to a game than coding.

>>22003244
Doesn't mean i am wrong. You can look at japanese teeth and tell their whole nation is fucked in that regard too.

>>21988962
Most of artemis viewers don't even know he is trans

>>21984966
there are, but they do the stuff that's less boring and easier for a child's brain to do

>>22006853
That woman that wrote TLOU1 did a good job and got her work hijacked by that hack Druckmann. They exist but honestly if they are good at it they aren't coding games, it's a meat grinder that underpays the employees and also it's full of thirsty nerds awful at social interactions. If they are good coders they're probably elsewhere.

>>21978217
How passable?

>>21993340
It changed the terms master and slave branch because muh waycism

>>22003929
I find that hard to believe considering they openly said they had operation
also their voice is obviously trans

>>22003843
Japanese yaeba is cute
fuck off

>>21976229
I doubt it. They have pronouns in their bio and retweet this tranny group.

>4 out of 4 are trannies
i cant even be sad about it, its just as expected. but man i really thought i would get to watch a cute girl doing shitty code, but that voice lmao what the fuck

>>21976039
I'll admit she sounds like your usual nasally voiced asian girl.

>>21993340
It's a shit language for use by scientists and mathematicians who want to crank out a working prototype really quickly and don't care about writing and maintaining good software.
Python is a fucking joke for writing real software, the amount of shit you need to plugin to it to get it to behave like a sensible language.
Any language whose compiler doesn't tell you that you're referencing a variable THAT DOESN'T EXIST is not to be used for real programming work.

>>21994445
You don't have a fucking clue are you a web developer or something.
Python is the exact opposite of readable, you can't look at a python file and know what it does because of all the random bullshit migh be happening behind the scenes with its shit imports system, shitty object inheritance system, shit loose type system and garbage compiler.
Golang is probably the most readable popular language now but too bad it's a language from the stone age with no pure functional programming primatives

>>22009220
I'm not saying ITS DA BEST EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS PERFECT. I'm aware of some of those issues but either I don't really mind (ducktyping is based), or it doesn't really matters due to the scale of the project. Trust me when you have to work with people that can't into code Python is one of the safest options and it's also why there's so much content about it since most people nowadays starts coding with Python.

>Golang
You are shilling soulless google garbage. The only time I had to work with that abomination it was a terrible time for everyone involved. KYS ASAP

>>21976430
i think its like 4x more autists are trannies than normal population. so 3/4 autist trannies are gullible retards whove gaslit themselves into a mental disorder. the tranny community and especially autist trannies are the most fucking insane mentally ill coomer group ive ever witnessed in my life and i hope they all kill themselves. i fucking hate autistic people but autistic trannies hold a special hatred in my heart for being the most disgusting people on the planet. theyre all arrogant degenerate groomer fetishists who deserve no place on this earth t. medical autist and used to be a tranny btw

>>21975920
>Weebs
>Programmers
>Not trannies
Genuinely impossible.

>>22009220
Golang is readable because 9C was readable and all the 1127 guys they poached just copied their previous conventions and some of the good ideas. It's still a mess bolted to google garbage with a lot of concessions to webshit, just use actual 9C.

>>22010626
I'm a weeb autismo programmer and it will be a cold day in hell before I cut my dick and balls, put on a dress and a wig, and force people to pretend I'm a woman, or else.

>>21975897
I didn't need to read the thread to know that programming sock trannies were part of this. Will they code how to dilate?