/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>21903096
based orca, look how honest and genuine she is about her performance

>>21903096
>Is there anything genuine left about vtubers?
no, so they might as well go back to the kizuna ai format

>>21903096
Welcome to JP chuubas

>>21903096
Do you tell your boss how much you want to fuck your oshi? Do you speak to him in the same tone you do your friends? Does that make you fake?

>>21903096
Look where that got Mumei, so no shut up

>>21903096
JP vtubers are the culprit of that, they are the fakest, but that is expected from them.

>>21903096
Chloe is literally the fakest holo by far, why the fuck are you even watching her?

>>21903096
Isn't it a good thing if girls put in a little effort to be cuter for you?

>>21903096
Wait, you're telling me entertainers give their audience what they want? How insightful. I don't understand having a problem with that though. Do you go to movies and scream "Hey, that guy's not a real wizard, he's a fucking actor! This is FAKE!!!"

>>21903651
This reminds me of how black people, especially in the US, often have to speak 'white' in their corporate office job, using completely different tone and vocabs and way of speaking at work compared to when they're out with their friends.

>>21904624
N

Don't care, I choose to believe the orca is incredibly stinky and I jerk off to the thought of ramming my nose into her reeking pussy every day.

>>21903096
She is being honest tho.

>>21903161
Yes, this is what I like about Chloe really. Discovering the moments when her more real self comes out. Vtubers who are always in kayfabe and never break it kind of make me distrustful of anything they ever say.

>>21903096
That’s why I only watch non-idol vtubers and lately even more EN than JP

>>21903096
i prefer girls trying to be cute than them just dumping all their problems on chat, even then the JP chubbas do the latter and it's so stupid, making your audience worry about shit they can't do anything about

>>21904624
No anon, the Japanese are already a civilized people, they don't need to "fake" it.

>>21903096
Find someone who can sing well and have passion for her/his singing.

>>21904824
>manufactured a 'work unpaid overtime until you die' culture
>normalised pedos
>life so awful for the working class that they don't want to reproduce
>civilised

>>21903096
based empowered women milking desperate neets out of their autism bucks

>>21903096
>fakest chuuba from day 1
>finally admits to being fake
>is there anything genuine left about vtubers
Its not her fault you were too autistic to see the obvious
Get a better oshi faggot

>>21904769
It's really sad how much hololive fucked up JP vtubing. Now basically all JP corpos and indies are fake as fuck while EN vtubers at a base level are so much more honest about who they are.

>>21904960
>britbong
May I see your shitposting loicense?

>>21904824
Japanese people are fake inherently

>>21903096
Technical question:
Wouldn't that hurt her throat more if she forced it?
Can't they just use a voice changer for that?

>>21905124
>while EN vtubers at a base level are so much more honest about who they are
You mean disgusting whores? Yeah I'll just stick with the kayfabe thanks, I have enough thirsty sluts orbiting me irl, I want some wholesome escapism in my entertainment

>>21903096
Japs are pedofags that want all their women to talk like prepubescent girls. A lot of vtubers were genuinely relieved when they had to drop it because it puts a lot of strain on vocal cords.(Suisei is the most well known example). Thats not being fake, it's acting how you are expected to act in that position. But like one anon already said, do you watch movies/tv shows and comment how everything is fake because this guy cant really jump that high or take on an army of mercenaries all by himself using a wooden cooking spoon, etc.
When they don't put on a character, people accuse chuubas of "being no different than your average thot streamer", so you really cant win with autistic incel faggots no matter what you do.

>>21905124
Anon, all females are fake, they change everything from looks to personality and opinions depending on the situation, why did you expect anything different from them while streaming?
They will be whores to get money from twitch, shitposters to get money from redditors, and say that they have some autoimmune disease or that they need to move away from an abusive household to get money from saviorfags

>>21905124
I mostly watch nijiEN now since holoEN became so disappointingly boring and after doing my moon reps I couldn’t stand watching the JPs either, well except for the hags and some indies.

>>21904624
It's not "speaking white" it's "being a decent and respectful human being" and "not treating everyone different from you like shit"

>>21903096
Vtubers are supposed to be a character, not fucking regular streamers using anime avatars because they're ugly fatasses afraid to show their real faces on screen, like Fungus.

>>21905313
>all females are fake
That's just cope for your part to cover up the fact that your JP bitches are the fakest.

The fact that vtubers play a character is why we like them. It's why Pekora is so great.

>>21905449
They aren't the fakest, they just know what to pretend to be. The fakest women are the cat ladies who still think they have a chance to get married

lot of seething femcels ITT, it's always funny how jealous they are of japanese women, and how agressive they get at japanese men

what the fuck
why don't you go watch some ethot if you don't want to watch an anime character act like an anime character

>>21905525
> pointing out how fake JP girls are makes me a femcel
unironically touch grass

ITT, anons are calling people literally streaming behind a virtual avatar fake

> what the fuck why don't you go watch some ethot if you don't want to watch an anime character act like an anime character

> lot of seething femcels ITT, it's always funny how jealous they are of japanese women, and how agressive they get at japanese men

>>21904824
Sorry to break your weeb-tinted glasses, but the societal culture of Japan, at it's core, is literally built on fakeness. There are even words for it: honne (本音) and tatemae (建前).

>>21903096
Depressive nihilism isn't cute, frend. Take meds or a noose.

>>21903096
What I hate is how hololive sets these stupid trends. My 2view started saying she skips showers too after orca debuted. Like oh men find this endearing? Let me spam the shit out of it even though it was never part of my character before

>>21903096
what they don't tell you is that JP girls are whores like Marine, they jist hide it better, at least EN girls are honest, different from JP whores who act pure

>>21904624
Speaking clearly and not using ebonics that the audience can't understand is not "speaking white". It's just speaking normally in a professional setting.
You don't think rural white people change their intonation when interviewing for a city job?

>>21905748
>at least EN girls are honest
Their "honesty" can makes them absolutely repulsive, see Vshojo. People seem to think having good manners and social awareness of what is acceptable behavior in public is "fake" these days for some reason.

She spoke normal voice in member stream.

>>21905449
Anon, some day you will also speak to females irl and realise that they were fake all along

>>21903096
>viewing entertainers pretending to be 2d japanimation characters
>gets mad at the lack of genuineness
lmao retard

>>21903096
>They are telling viewers what they want to hear, act like viewers expect them to act (yuri baiting, being clumsy, dirty, retarded, faking voice, etc.).
>Is there anything genuine left about vtubers?

>>21905743
No one's forcing your 2view's hand to act like that

>>21905843
This. I don't know what kind of people these anons surround themselves with that acting like crass whores seems like the norm to them, but they've gotten to the point where they see well behaved people as lepers. Learn some basic manners you uncultured fucks

>>21905843
>>21906079
retards

>>21903096
I regret to inform you that anime girls do not exist in real life, and thus cannot stream. The closest available is voice actresses pretending the demeanor and voice of anime girls, using avatars mimicking the appearance of anime girls drawn by professional artists, and animated by professional riggers. They use software to capture the voice actress movements and tie it to the model. I'm sorry if reality does not meet your needs and expectations.

>>21905843
> can makes them absolutely repulsive, see Vshojo
just say you're gay

Risu on this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ocsaRq3ns

>>21906266
>voice actresses talk about their past, their family and friend, their daily lives and events, on a daily basis for hours

ITT: People that didn't read the caption and call Chloe fake despite being honest and admitting to her voice.
You will rarely, if ever, see a chuuba admit to things like this, they will actively lie to your face to keep up "kayfabe".

>>21906863
>he believes anything these entertainers say
lol at this retard that believed everything shown on tv when tv was still a thing
do you get angry at actors who play villains in movies? of course you do lolololol nog

>>21906267
You misread the comment, anon. It said he's "not" into Vshojo, not that he "is" into Vshojo. He's not into fawning over whores while they're getting creampie'd by chad, like all the gay Vshojo fans.

>has Chloe as their oshi
>complains about chuubas being fake
The absolute fucking state

>>21907444
The fact that Chloe is less fake than many chuubas is what should worry you here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcahkhmmo-s

>>21903096
Its in the tin of being vtuber, the issue is people thinking they are or should be as stupid-ass normal streamers. Anime experience.

>>21903096
>They are telling viewers what they want to hear, act like viewers expect them to act (yuri baiting, being clumsy, dirty, retarded, faking voice, etc.).
This is mostly what I want from vtubers. It's probably a big reason Chloe is so popular.

>>21904624
You mean having to use normal english instead of ghetto language? Then yes, you need to speak white or whatever you want to call it.

>>21905194
Voice changers suck ass and sound shitty.

>>21905682
And it's a good thing if you understand it.

>>21905748
Marine isnt a whore. She is desperate not a literal whore like half vshojo.

>>21904677
O

>>21907118
>comparing them to actors on tv shows
>they have hours upon hours of stories almost every day
>some of them can be verified via rm activity
>when the stories are brought up months later they can still accurately talk about it without spilling spaghetti
Oh I see, so all of these vtubers are actually 200 IQ genius story tellers who can make up novels on the spot and have superhuman memories to remember every piece of lie they made up over the years. And here I thought they were just regular girls streaming with anime models. Oh anon, thanks for opening my eyes, you're so cool!
Watch streams or kys clipnigger

HoloEN was a mistake.... What's the point of even watching vtuber if all you want is them to act like real life whores?

>>21907526
She cleaned! So its better now!

>>21907444
Chloe came out right out of the gate and said "I like money". Which vtuber openly admited that on her/his debut? I didn't see any of them saying that. How is that being fake? Most of them act like "Oh no no, don't feel the need to donate" or whatever the fuck.

>>21906266
This has to be most retarded opinion on this thread by far. Girls with very soft voices do exist. They are far and between but they do exist. In fact chloe is one of those. That she pushes it even further so they can sound extra cute doesn't mean soft spoken girls are not real. That's just you being a fucking schizo. Chloe does this because it's her job to entertain us, the weebs. She literally does it because we like it. How is that not fucking based?

It's like if you read a schizo post and thought: "Well, he was a retarded schizo, so everyone else must be too!".

>>21907827
She's still a piece of shit Aqua dumper and China apologist though

>>21905124
Females pursuing a childless life by selling their sex to children and the mentally ill is immoral to begin with so if they are going to do it, I'd rather they play a character that isn't as terrible as their real self.

>well mannered and civilized
>fake
>acting like a whore
>real

>>21908218
Yes, women are genetically incapable of loyalty

>>21905600
You need to go back

>>21907810
>better

>ITT so called >incels/unicorns have more respect and faith in women, than femcels and troonies, who see all them as nothing but sexual deviants and crass savages
Just another case of women and wannabe-women hating other, more successful women
Its not your fault that no one likes you, its everyone else's

>>21904624
Nobody speaks the same way they would speak to their friends in the office regardless of race, braindead nigger. You are supposed to be polite and act professional.

>>21908369
True

>>21903651
Yes

>>21905748
Couldn't care less if they are fucking 50 guys the moment they close the stream if that is never ever brought up on the stream itself. I don't want to watch a girl acting like a whore, vshojotard.

You know they're mostly faking it. Yet when they tell you, it's wrong of them?

>>21903096
those are what makes vtubers genuine, you fucking dumb cultureless Amerimutt retard. you suck at everything. dont make excuses for it

>>21909535
>goes to a convenience store
>cashier spits in your face and calls you a faggot because he had a rough day
>you're ok with this because he's not faking being nice to you, the customer

>>21904624
My gf's mother is like this, gf says its a shame thing, both being embarrassed to be ghetto trash around non ghetto people, and being too proper around ghetto people

Everything a vtuber says is an absolute and complete fabrication at all times down to the tiniest most mundane detail, unless they're talking about sex in which case they're being 100% truthful

>>21903096
>became
How new?

>>21903812
Are you calling the girl who can’t act a faker, or are you saying she got to where she is by being genuine?

>>21907827
me, i admitted that

>>21903812
noone forced Mumei to go fake and cringeworthy, once you make it to hololive you have a free ticket for going any route.

>>21903096
>Is there anything genuine left about vtubers?
Isn't the whole point of Vtubers that they're not genuine?
They're people pretending to be fucking anime girls.
Most of the first Vtubers only did scripted and pre-recorded videos until everyone got lazy and started streaming themselves playing games like your average twitch streamer instead.

>>21907105
Everything about her onstream persona is fake and calculated to make money, it’s just that she’s so blunt and straightforward about it that it loops back around to being honest and genuine because she’s open about being fake.

Back in 2018 everyone knew and expected vtubers to be "fake" because we remembered it was a performance art. The idea that vtubing has gotten faker only outs anyone who believes it as a newfag trying to act elitist. If anything the big problem is that things have trended towards audiences seeking a real relationship instead of entertainment and a lot of talents not drawing a line on being a character and putting too much of themselves out in the open

>>21910089
>If anything the big problem is that things have trended towards audiences seeking a real relationship instead of entertainment and a lot of talents not drawing a line on being a character and putting too much of themselves out in the open

That’s exactly what we want, faggot

>>21905682
>pretending the West doesn't have its own equivalent
Hypocrisy, classic Western value

>>21909683
This is a terrible analogy. No vtuber is physically harming you. Although I wish Vei spits at me

>>21903096
>YOU are the problem with vtubers, and it will only get worse.

Really? Because I Watch insane indies and small corpos who say whatever the fuck they want.

>>21907905
t./vt/ addict who watches neither Aqua or Mea

>>21906281
based hag

>>21907118
I believe everything that my oshi says 100%.

>>21910594
>take out spitting, context stays the same
Spiting in someone's face isn't meant to be taken literally anyway, its a figure of speech
I know you're grasping at straws at this point, but nitpicking just to defend your polish slut isn't a good look. I never understood why you vshojo faggots find the need to normalize your whore "culture", instead of just being happy with watching your oshi. Guess you live on drama just like the chuubas you watch

>>21903096
> Is there anything genuine left about vtubers?
Just watch face streamers.
The entire point of vtubing is the performance.

>>21908218
This right here is what's wrong with western culture at the moment. There is a reason why Hololive started in Japan, not America or a European country.

She's been doing this for almost 4 years now so I don't see the problem here. If you don't like her character, just don't watch.

>>21911807
> I never understood why you vshojo faggots find the need to normalize your whore "culture"
...Cause they're the purveyors of that exact culture. There is no Vshojo without degenerate, bitter, lazy, unproductive, overstimulated, depressed modern western culture.

For this being a vtuber board I can't help but think that at least half the people here actually hate vtubers

>>21911807
Buddy, these vtubers aren't insulting you by telling you they fake their voices or something. You are not being attacked.

>>21912448
>smol brain vshojo coomer can't read
Many such cases.

>>21903096
Goes to show that women need a system that will make them behave correctly

Holy based. I don't know follow many e-girls, but of the ones I do it's aggravating to no end when they chose "this is my real voice!!! uwu" as their hill to die on. My best friend knew Lilypichu IRL before she really took off and he was adamant she was faking it despite her going absolutely mental at anyone who tried to accuse her of it.
I respect Chloe a lot to own up to it. There's nothing wrong in playing up your charms, and that charm for her is the voice she can portray. I'd say it's no different than makeup on a Stacy.

>>21912276
Have you been to other boards? Its normal to see half the population to hate the content of their own boards.

>>21904624
>have to speak 'white' in their corporate office job
So you mean speaking proper english?
Retard

>>21912448
Vtubing is a job whether you like it or not and acting rude, overly crass or like a megaslut shouldn't be normalized in a work environment, that's where faking it comes into play. What you call fake I call manners and social awareness
Not even saying everything has to be squeaky clean, but you probably shouldn't talk about what cum tastes like or how many dicks you sucked to the customer, well... unless your job is being a whore and your client is into that shit for some reason
>inb4 b-but muh entertainment
If you find girls talking about sucking dicks entertaining then just watch porn or better yet, do what you always regurgitate at others and >touch grass and have your own dick sucked you blueballed faggot

>>21907105
Sora also said that she uses a higher pitched voice because its easier on her throat, so no, its not rare

>>21912735
Remove the spitting analogy, that's fine.
>"Cashier calls you a faggot, you're ok with this because he's not faking being nice to you"
Again, you're somehow implying that these chuubas are somehow insulting you by faking what they do.

>>21913141
No I'm a newfag I've been here for like 3 days

>>21913319
Not every anon is the same person

>>21913199
All Chloe said was her voice isn't real. How fuck did this turn into talking about sucking dicks?

>>21912276
Can confirm, am here and hate vtubers. I exist solely to spread rrats and disease.

>>21913412
Vei was brought into the discussion, I find OP's autism is irrelevant

>>21912276
I cried my heart out to my oshi and she didn’t even respond to my supachat, now I’m a unironic anti against her.

>>21913460
You mean the dude who posted a Veibae pic and the retard who replied to it bringing her into the discussion for no reason?

>>21913563
I think he's referring to the guy who made a tongue-in-cheek joke about Veibae spitting on him in response to his schizo rant about a cashier spitting on you.
Even mentioning the she-witch set him off this hard. And I thought Mori antis were bad.

There is no such thing as a genuine entertainer. Everyone becomes a character the second they willingly put themselves in front of a recording device

what's real? what does being real mean?

>>21905215
Dont write your pretend fantasy here nigger.

Take yer meds

nigga, if you really want to see something genuine go live some life

>>21914240
>>21914429
anon getting philosophical in here.

>>21905305
What is just being a fucking streamer. I dont give a flying fuck about Jp stupid retarded work culture. Especialy fucking hate them not understanding what the fuck a streamer is.


Vtubing today : Just slap some shitty looking 2d girl in the corner.

Personality? What the fuck is that? Most vtuber warcher wouldn't know what the fuck to do with an actual personality that goes beyond the "6 tropy chara" each cunt has on repeat.

>>21911970
If the entire point is the "performance"

Why are they all the same, why are they all so fucking boring

"Im special, look at my performance"

Proceeds to just play a game , already done thousands of time before.

No real gimick, or attemp at anything remotly unique.


I SURE LOVE PERFORMANCE ART

>>21903096
i just want vtubers to be happy.

>>21913319
You are either Autistic, or just pretending... right?

>>21914886
That's just anime, anon. You're watching the closest thing this world has to real cute girls doing cute things. You don't innovate or go off the walls, the point is to be comfy and predictable to be soothing to austists.

>>21905124
But menhera anon... I know you can't cope unless your oshi is part of the alphabet mafia, but it is really not good for you to seethe this hard about people behaving decently and politely. JP corpos aren't gonna hurt you.
>>21913660
Take your meds like your mentally ill oshi.
>>21905682
t. western degenerate

>>21914958
They still are 3dpd fleshy hole.

They simply added a animated Jpeg and speaks in tismo uwu voice.

I just cant understand.

>>21903096
and thats exactly why corpos will always be superior, i dot a flying fuck about the honest opinion of some femoid behind an avatar.

>>21913993
False, my oshi genuinely loves me and i love her back, you cant tell me otherwise because i sent her a video of me cumming over her face and she masturbated to it last night.

>>21905682
>honne and taemae
almost as embarrassing as when you bring up fax machines
imagine thinking you're in a position to explain japanese society when you're stuck regurgitating bitter expat talking points straight out of japan times

>>21911970
>Just watch face streamers
Those are even more fake sometimes.

>>21909535
I know movies aren't real, but I don't like it when an actor turns to the camera and reminds me that it's a movie.

>>21913098
You know lily??

>>21903096
Do you think women in real life don't act in a way that secures their position?
Or humans in general? We all make ourselves into products to sell.

>>21916248
Well before she was the goliath she is today, but yeah. My friend was close with her best friend in her home state at the time. She even tried (unsuccessfully bc they were both total spergs) to hook them up. They hung out a number of times and he maintains that she always spoke in a lower tone and can even point it out when she slips up every now and then.

>>21904624
The only people who call that speaking white are other minorities/hood rat blacks mad at the blacks that don’t chimp

>>21917342
Given that some people ITT think talking like a normal person with a fully functioning brain is "fake," it's not surprising OP would think being a nice, polite person is the epitome of fakeness.

>>21903096
Your complaint is that entertainers try to provide the entertainment their audience want?

chloe is an honorary western whore

>>21903096
You really think girls act like anime girls in real life? Any simp on here that genuinely believes that deserves to be scammed out of their money.

>>21907719
>Marine isnt a whore.
Yes she is.

I thank you all again for making me fell less pathetic as a human. Keep it up schizo's, stay low as you could.

>>21915352
Well why do they have fax machines?

>>21904624
Why did white anons get so mad at this? Nothing bad was even said about them.

>>21918076
Because old Japanese secretaries have been using them for 40 years

>>21903096
Why do people call her fake again?

>>21903096
First time watching idols, or entertainers in general, anon?

>>21903304
>He thinks western chuubas are genuine
KEK

>>21920716
They are much more genuine than japs

>>21920456
This image only applies to hololive though

>>21920904
Then please tell us who you think is the best example of a genuine/honest western chuba

>>21920904
lmao

>>21920904
>>21921019
The fact that you cannot give us one(1) example of a honest western vtuber is kind of funny

>>21922414
All the indies that don't coomerbait
drew a line in the sand to try to be just themselves instead of out and out sluts
and they hit a wall because they won't compromise their principles.

>>21903096
Oga warned you.

>>21924845
>fail to grow because you refuse to adapt to your profession

there's a a word for this, anon. It's called "incompetence."

>>21924845
>If you don't coomer bait you're genuine
>They are not faking their personality I know because I'm their closest friend because I watch streams daily

Freindless-chama...

>>21925235
not saying all indies are good enough to make it
but do you really think a clean (not necessarily seiso, just not a slut) choosing to fake a non-slut personality
when they could choose to fake a slut personality and get 10x as many subs?

occam's razor doesn't favor you
"I'm okay with being someone I'm not but not this flavor of someone I'm not"

>>21925472
Anon I think this was meant for >>21925214

>Use anime avatar
>You are fake
>Play a character
>You are even more fake
>Use high pitch voice
>You are a fucking lie

Wrong hobby dipshits, if you want realism go watch a fat roastie rant about trans kids on twitch and fuck off.

>>21903096
Take your meds, faglord.

>>21903096
Dude, just watch some whore complaining on twitch. That's the most "real" girl you're going to get.

>>21903096
I mean, that much was obvious. The recent song she released where she used a deeper register was so beautifully done, and didn't have her trying to squeak out the lyrics like her cover of Animal did. Hopefully she uses a normal singing voice in the future and keeps squeaky to the streaming (the high pitch is still very cute but it's bad for singing).

>>21926045
>a fat roastie rant about trans kids on twitch
That's just realism about western women. It's why nobody watches EN indies, cause they aren't being kept on a leash by JP companies.

>>21903096
I dunno about vtubers specifically but fans are there to improve an idol.

>>21903096
I’ve pretty much quit watching streams and only listen to asmrtubers for sleep. Getting simps riled up is fun though.

>>21905124
>basically all JP corpos and indies are fake as fuck
They were always fake as fuck. It's just that the OGs hide that a lot better than the current ones do.

>>21905124
>EN vtubers at a base level are so much more honest about who they are
AHAHAHAHAHA and even if that's true that doesn't make it any better in the SLIGHTEST! What a shit show.

>>21903096
> Voice actress performing the role she was hired to play.
> Anon seethes.

If you want a school girl that's streaming as a hobby maybe go watch a 1 view indie. I'm sure she'll be happy to have more fans looking for the real deal.

You can't expect any girl under a large, medium or even small corpo to be any
more "real" than that.

>>21930779
What's your definition of better?

>>21930885
Nothing because it's all garbage.

>>21914886
Because you're burned out.

I don't get it, why watch anime characters stream if what you want is realism? Shouldn't you be watching a regular, real person streamer instead?

>>21903096
Vtubing has been about the act from the beginning. If you actually ever believed that any of this was genuine, you're a retard. The appeal is the persona and the fakeness, a person catering to what men want out of women instead of being themselves.

>>21918300
Because black speech is not proper English, maybe a creole. And there is no such a thing called """white""" when everyone else everywhere speaks it.
also
>everyone who thinks that ameriniggers are entitled is white
>everyone who thinks that ameriniggers are entitled is american

i swear every vtuber blurs the line between pretending and being real and its so annoying. they'll say they're a unicorn that lives with their unicorn mom and dad but they'll still hide the fact that they have a boyfriend which is dishonest. either go fully into your character or be fully real. there is no inbetween

I've read so many instances of "yeah I know someone who knew her before she got famous!!" comments lol just sounds bitter to me.

>>21911186
the hag literally has done full stream with her real voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFJcxZKCiTk&t=503s And she never did it again.