/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Post your stream
I will critique it

>>21140981
This. I dont participate in most of the thread's garbage but I do give genuine advice when people need it.

Heya anons! I'm going to be drawing some vtubers so leave me your designs and I might draw em!
Reposting cause we fucking died right after I posted.

i was only making a joke, of course post yourself that's what the thread is for.

>>21140981
>>21141069
I'm happy to take any critique, thank you

First stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mq4nz8BguM

Second Stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTvbMVOXVig

I changed my voice from the 1st video to the 2nd video. It felt easier to be "in character" with the 2nd voice, but a friend said it sounds too fake

>>21142146
>Lots of dead air (nothing but regularly streaming cant fix)
>Watching both your videos and your first video's voice is a SEX VOICE, literally gives me the same chills when I listen to Vox. 2nd Video's voice is more basic and less impressive.

Also start streaming on twitch, youtube for vtubers is dead and nobody should be wasting their time streaming there.

how much difference would using an iphone compared to a webcame be? ( should i buy an iphone 11 or something )

>>21140981
>>21141069
my stream schedule is a bit fucked right now because writing my dissertation bUT
i did a lot of FF7R streams last week with a friend, let me know what y'all think
(ignore that i cough directly into the mic aat like 36 seconds)
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1428702262

>>21142540
The first voice was better? I... you're sure? Maybe I should stick with it then, rather than put in time with this fake voice...

Thank you anon, honestly and truely.

And yeah, maybe I should go on twitch and do vods on youtube, might be better

>>21142999
I tried it with a note 20 Ultra, it was okay. But I did get a more responsive avatar from a webcam (Brio (don't buy the streamer version))

>>21140981
i streamed this today
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1437461521
this is more of a typical stream
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1428642604
my head hurts but if you're free to critique then i'd be happy to listen

I am officially a 1.3view. I am moving up in the world /asp/, I have found true happiness.

>>21142146
Your friend is right, your 2nd voice sounds fake somehow, but do what you feel more comfortable with, it kinda sounds like you are a bro hypeman while in the 1st you sounded more genuine and "chill"
even though the other anon said you have too much dead air i think you managed to fill it well
I would say that you maybe focus a bit too much in the game, like you talk almost exclusively about the game and your experience with it
From those 40 minutes that i watched i can barely tell anything about your personality and i'm not even sure what you are truly supposed to be?
Youtube? Why?
You look cool and sound cool though, best of luck Anon

>>21143351
No introduction at all for either of you?
Your model looks a bit weird, like you have a reverse tan
Caution about peaking please
You things at the start of the stream that should be done before the start of the stream, maybe have a loading screen while you set things up and start with a full on introduction
You have two people on stream but somehow more dead air than most single people stream i have watched
Your eyes blink weirdly, check out your calibration
Sorry if i come off a bit too critical or rude, Hope you the best of luck

>>21143127
No introduction at all for either of you?
Your model looks a bit weird, like you have a reverse tan
Caution about peaking please
You things at the start of the stream that should be done before the start of the stream, maybe have a loading screen while you set things up and start with a full on introduction
You have two people on stream but somehow more dead air than most single people stream i have watched
Your eyes blink weirdly, check out your calibration
Sorry if i come off a bit too critical or rude, Hope you the best of luck
Also i totally didn't reply to the wrong person don't worry about it

>>21143127
>lots of dead air
>i can see nice attempts at being funny

is your friend gonna be part of all your streams? I cant tell who you are as a streamer since you stream with her a lot and rely on her as a crutch.

You mic sounds a little tinny, you should look up settings to improve it I feel like it could be a lot clearer. Looking through your twitter, you've got a ton of tweets and I dont think you've been streaming that long. Either way I dont know if you're gonna be having your friend with you all the time so I cant give a proper analysis of who you are as a vtuber, try to show me streams without her if you can or if you do have her around a lot try to stream alone so you can build up your skills. Yeah like the other anon is saying about your setup you should take your time to slowly build your stream format and everything, it doesnt need to be perfect day 1 but something you work towards even with the most basic stuff you can get.

Keep streaming with a regular schedule and you'll get there.

>>21141343
you can draw the admiral if you find no-one else.
https://hub.vroid.com/en/characters/2581649164565898486/models/1854609058011439704

i usually don't try to get her drawn because technically it's not my character, but maybe you like uniforms

>>21142146
I like both voices actually, i'd definitely just take the one that comes more natural to you. If you wanna stream more regularly being comfortable is important. You could switch on occasions maybe (or a redeem?). I change languages for a redeem, that's kinda fun.

i feel like im not cutting the model i drew correctly for live2d
im already looking at the fafs google doc iuuuuguuuhjih

>>21143351
I always wondered if you had good retention, you don't really have dead air, have good chat interaction, a good mic, a good model and can network decently well
Don't use your youtube channel as both VOD AND clip channel, make one exclusively for highlights and clipping, you have kind of a content debuff, maybe try to play the algorithm more
Also collab more regularly please
I know that you have been doing this for pretty long, hope you the best of luck

I know an anon posted a link to that JP website store last thread, but is there any "sales" for a rigger there too? Since most Western ones I've seen charge over hundreds of dollars for a rig (not a design, just the live2d rig) and I'm planning on commissioning an artist to be my mama then have someone else live2d it

>>21144057
>>21144915
Thank you for your words anons, I'll keep going and see if I can really flesh out my concept.

Having a more solid grasp of my character, as well as maybe eluding to myself more, rather than gameplay all the time

I am truly thankful

>twitter announcement for stars EN was posted three weeks ago
I’ve still got some time to finish the audition, right? I’m very nearly finished but the wageslaving never ends

I think i did it bros, i fully conceptualized my concept and how i want to do it
It's going to be pog, now i just need to draw it

>>21143252
Make a separate channel for VODs and focus on clips, highlights, and short form content for your actual YT

>>21142146
put game sounds lower, raise your mic a bit. add a compression to your mic if you can.

its hard to hear you talk.

>>21142146
I like the first voice more but if you want to go with a character maybe you can try changing up the way you talk as opposed to the voice you use.

>>21140981
Can I offer something other than a stream? Been busy the past couple of weeks with Uni stuff so haven't been able to get in the mindset for a stream. But have tried at making pre-recorded content.
Any and all criticism is more than welcome
https://youtu.be/uLs6ESGcG6E

>>21140981
>>21141069
I'm always looking for more perspective.

My first stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61OHIfwrBZY
My most recent stream:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1435755655

Also here's my twitter, I'm not really sure if I'm doing the tweeting shit right, I feel like I'm just kinda winging it on that end.
https://twitter.com/NasuMaturi

I was told when I posted my first stream here that I rely too much on chat interaction, so I've been consciously trying to talk more to fill the space.

Also yes I am babi, I'm aware I'm debuffing myself with this. I have no excuse for this, I'm just kinda attached to my character design.

Thank you for your time, have some tummy

>>21144579
>>21144672
thanks for the feedback anons
unfortunately my lights have been fucked lately so all I've got is my 'ring light' thing, hence the blinking being off
I'll set up more before stream and try and fix my mic, although I must admit I cant hear any tinny-ness myself
cheers lads

>>21147030
Well tinny-ness is a wrong choice of words for me to use but simply put you just dont sound loud enough/clear enough. Try comparing your audio to other male vtubers and you'll see what I mean.

>>21147030
Have a look at softbox lights as welly, I find them easier to stream with (less pain on the eyes)

/asp/ is dead at midnight, huh...

>>21140927
male vtube scum should be shot dead

>>21149117
busy weekend
hopefully most people are either enjoying it or doing their reps

>>21149356
why :)

>>21149612
It's a revolting inversion, just like women in the workplace/voting.

>>21149682
Thanks for helping us bump the thread

>>21149356
What about male vtubers who have no interest in women

>>21149356
*cums on you* nothing personel kid

>>21149117
mostly lurking, i don't have anything meaningful to add to conversations atm. also just kicking back with some beers after a long week at work

>>21150097
It's good to drink anon...

Do you guys think it's still acceptable to stream as a PNGtuber?

>>21150286
Yes, as long as you have asperations to become an actual vtuber, like within a few weeks at most.

Or just continually release content and make your debut as grand as possible

>>21150286
yeah, why wouldn't it be? png better than looking at just gameplay (assuming no cam).

>>21150286
yes

Honestly the google doc is an amazing piece of collective information, seriously, it's made the process of becoming a vtuber much easier

>>21150286
Of course I do. You have to start somewhere.

>>21150473
>within a few weeks
HAHAHAHA
I can’t do an actual model right now because it’ll cost me money that I need to keep aside for eye surgery ($700) and future house buying (which probably isn’t likely now but I have like $2500 saved
atm)
I’ll just stick with my discord widget PNG until I can actually get my footing in streaming. Or try to make a basic Vroid model just to tide me over.

>>21151218
To this end, which do you guys think is better? vroid or png?

>>21151218
Honestly, if you've got like twenty dollars to spare, just buy a model of Nizima, I think it's better than been a PNG tuber

>>21151260
png if its a good drawing, vroid if you cant afford to get good art

>>21146640
i like your energy and voice and personality, you'd be able to fit right in with the lesser nijiEN males in my opinion

i guess the critique i would have is that your humor doesn't really appeal to me and you play more obscure games

>>21146640
> haven't been able to get in the mindset for a stream

There will be loads of days like this, and the one thing that cures it is actually streaming. Every streamer is like that, but they learn that actually streaming is better than not, from a mental standpoint

>>21151602
Seconding this. There's a lot of days where I really just don't feel it, but I've got enough of a mental routine that as soon as I do start that feeling completely goes away.

>>21145029
free transform and move the layer around, if it moves some what like you envisioned it then it should be fine, worse comes to worse you can always go back and fix things mid rig if needed

>>21152187
Pre stream jitters yo, not stream jitters. They go the moment you start streaming

>>21142540
Could you elaborate on why streaming on Youtube is a waste of time? I want to learn more about this.

One is a streaming platform, the other is a multi media platform that includes streaming

If you are a corpo streamer, you're on youtube, because you're already established (from been corpo).

Without the corp boost, you will be doomed to obscurity unless you market yourself effectively; this becomes less of an issue if you are on twitch and stream effective games

>>21152659
NTA but YouTube's algorithm hates literal who Livestreams and only focuses on whatever mass normie trending thing there is instead.

>>21152659
nta but i imagine it's because twitch is a lot easier to find streams
On youtube, if you wanna find a stream, you need to search the game (not autofilled or anything), then refine search results by "Live". On Twitch, the default search is - obviously - for streams, and streams are automatically categorized by game (or program, hobby, interest, thing that's being done in the stream, etc.).

Do you guys think having a plan to be a PNGtuber forever is bad? it's not a lore reason but my character concept would work best as that

Need your input on this matter aspies since I might be overthinking.
Say if there's an official discord for a game / event / etc and everyone and their grandma is inside. Would you be in that discord using your chuuba or your irl account?
I'm thinking of joining using my chuuba account to network but something just doesn't sit right with me if I join tons of "non v-tuber or streaming related discord" using my chuuba account. Like it might devalue your brand so to speak

>>21145229
>Don't use your youtube channel as both VOD AND clip channel, make one exclusively for highlights and clipping
i've had my channel around for so long that i've been wondering how to go about this; do I just hide all the clips/highlights/covers and reupload them to a new channel?
>Also collab more regularly please
its funny to see this but i will keep that in mind; typically when I collab its on other peoples' channels though
that you for the insights; i appreciate it

>>21153058
yes, if you valued any sort of growth

Unless you are an untapped lightening in a bottle content creator that just needs a lucky break, you will hardly grow as a pngtuber.

But a 2d concept, interactive type streamer could work, but then you're no longer a pngtuber

>>21153058
Absolutely no. If the viewers have no problem with your PNG in the first place, then they wouldn't mind if you stuck with it all your career.

>>21152738
>>21152787
>>21152812
I see. Thanks for the info.

>>21153119
Discord should only be used as an auxiliary to networking, not a primary

https://youtu.be/WANNqr-vcx0

>>21153411
I am weak to bunny tubers

>>21153411
Cute rabbit!!

How many people here sent in an application to Nijisanji or Hololive?

How do you think you did?

>>21146641
its a bit hard for me to articulate this since its such a vague critique and its kind of a viewerfag observation, applies to most others that have posted their streams too, but its just my perspective on this, please disregard if you think i sound like a crab in a bucket or saying stupid platitude viewfag fake advice

i feel like most of you guys have good enough voices and personalities, but the content is simply too directionless. When i think of exceptional streamers, they all have some sort of specialty or did something very specific, theres gameplay streamers/ex esport pros who are really fucking good at games, theres people like dr disrespect that ham the fuck up their character, theres coomer baiting, and theres screaming children pandering, these things pander to the algorithm. things like playing variety and just chilling out are for people that have already made it and created a community that will watch whatever the fuck they pump out so they just hang out and read chat and keep it consistent. when you are a 2 view, you need to hound going viral via anything, you need to shill, chase trends, suck cock, do challenges, pretend to be gay, literally anything.

i think if you guys are content with sub 100 ccv you will get there with consistent streaming and moderate marketing but i really do believe aggressively being an algorithm fag will help you guys out if you want bigger numbers

>>21154018
It's why we chase the corpo dream, yo

>>21152659
being a 2 view sucks dick on youtube, however, if you have a big enough viewer base for say pre recorded content, youtube will do very well at converting your videos viewerbase into live stream watchers and then you can snowball your prerecorded content into the algorithm and attract more potential stream watchers.

>>21154597
Youtube shorts are golden right now. Cross post them on twitter and tiktok for that sweet tripple dip

>>21154368
i completely get that, it makes me seethe to no end when i watch some of those faggy nijiEN dudes that have 0 talent besides sounding kinda hot. but ultimately you still have to fight being number filtered and the overwhelming power of nepotism in the application process

>>21154981
Not to be a nijishitter, but I don't doubt they put in the work, the content grind is hard...

Apart from Mysta, I think he's 100% voice, no work. The dude doesn't even keep to the kayfabe, every stream he involves irl shit yo, I don't think he's been a "detective" once since he started reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>21154725
yeah youtube shorts are fucking absurd, the culture of clicking on sub 15 sec memes for hours on end is engrained in every youtube watcher

https://www.youtube.com/c/ronillust/videos

this dude built his entire youtube channel of 200k subs off of like 6 shorts, its too bad he likely can't convert them into anything useful tho, which is a seperate problem you might run into

>>21152659
Everyone did the experiments and tried dual streaming, streaming on youtube and doing everything right but the ones who streamed exclusively on twitch not only grew much faster than the streamers who stayed on youtube, they managed to turn vtubing into a full time thing. Then you have cases where you have quality youtube streamers move to twitch and immediately gain traction and managed to grow into the top areas of vtubing.

All the youtube diehards that made the case a year ago about youtube changing for the better due to buying out the big streamers have all given up and moved to twitch now despite doing everything right they were simply not growing and pretty much stagnated.

Also networking sucks on youtube, you're isolated from the other vtuber community and there's very little reason to network and socialize. I know vtubers who stream for fun and not for numbers move to twitch and made so many friends and find themselves involved in the community and even if they dont plan on growing they are seeing their numbers going up and making many friends.

In the end streaming on youtube is a fool's errand. You will never grow so dont bother.

>>21153058
Probably not if your design is competent and your personality is entertaining. But as a PNG myself I do think aiming to become live2d is a good goal. For me, I promised myself once I make enough money off of streaming to justify the investment, I'll go live2d

>>21155849
If you actually enjoy streaming, just start saving, you'll get it sooner than relying soley on stream income

Unironically, you have to keep your "mainstream" meme knowledge up to date and capitalize on them in your shorts or general streaming activity. 100% unironically

>>21153058
You need some dynamism and gradual evolution to keep people interested in the long vterm, could just be as easy as having different emotions or getting drawn by different artists over time but eventually you're going to have to want to wow people and that may involve some level of animation, even Live2D

>>21151602
Oh yeah no worries I know what you mean, like any "worries" go away once you actually hit the go live button. But in my instance I just meant 'mentally' as in I'm too mentally invested in uni work atm to think about other stuff.
>>21151442
Thanks for the kind words anon, and yeah the game choice might be a self handicap but it's mainly by choice because 1) I'd rather play stuff I know I can have a good time with and 2) I can't really run anything too intense lmao

>>21154018
I was the one who gave the advice and while you're right the problem of finding content you're good in is not only completely different for everyone but it can be fixed if you just simply streamed more and experimented throughout your streaming career.

All the big streamers and youtubers who have made it say that you shouldnt be chasing trends but forging your own way so there's nothing anyone can say but simply just make more content and to figure out your thing.

>>21156057
personally I get blasted with memes as they're getting made and posted and sometimes it feels like vtubers and weebs in general are always a month behind or keep regurgitating old ones

>>21155181
yeah mysta was the first one i thought of when i typed that. its a bit sickening to me that his numbers are so incredible like damn where are the standards right now?

>>21155998
Yeah, this is what I did. I'm not expecting to see any sort of actual financial return on my vtubing investments any time soon. I started vtubing so that I can build a resume worthy of getting a job with a corpo sometime in the next year or so. Even if that doesn't end up happening as soon as I'd like it to, I'm at least enjoying streaming and I like my avatar.
I'm just a PNG for now. I commissioned rigging pretty much right after my PNG was done at the end of last month, so I should be a real deal vtuber in a couple of weeks.

the reason why youtube is terrible for indie livestreamers is because there just isn't a viewerbase for indie livestreams on youtube in the first place.

you have to realize that youtube is prioritized for the VIEWERS and not for the creators. once you realize that, it all makes sense. you watch a cat video for 80% of its length, algo marks you as a viewer who likes cat videos and recommends you more cat videos. specifically, cat videos that other viewers similar to you have watched. 100 other people clicked on a recommended video with an orange cat thumbnail, it'll recommend you that orange cat video too.

this is why it's important to fill out your video descriptions when you're just starting. keywords in your descriptions help the algorithm guess what kind of content the video is going to be about. don't rely on hashtags because youtube stopped using those after 2014 when everyone tried gaming the algorithm by flooding hashtags with useless data. youtube will then test your videos with viewers who stay on their website the most and track whether they like your video, how much of it they watch, whether they like, comment, share and shit like that. if it does well with the small audience it starts getting pushed out to wider and wider audiences, especially the viewers who only briefly use youtube for maybe 2 hours a day tops.

now think about livestreams. how much descriptive information are you putting into your youtube streams when you start? i bet nothing. you might have your twitter link but that's nothing useful to the algorithm. so your livestream isn't going to be classified in useful category. now think about the VIEWERS. how many viewers are going around watching no name indies? zero. maybe friends. but the algorithm doesn't categorize you as friend of some indie.

if you have 5 viewers and they're all your friends, the only people who might potentially ever get a recommendation for a live stream are people whose youtube viewing habits are close to those of your friends. the average normie doesn't watch livestreams on youtube. the average normie is not recommended livestreams from tiny channels, much less random vtubers playing games in an outdated let's play format from the early 2010s.

streaming on youtube as an indie means you do not understand the strengths of youtube or how the algorithm works. which is also a sign that you're ngmi because you didn't even consider doing the bare minimal amount of research into the very platform you're trying to use.

>>21156125
i think they might mean chase the trend in your own way, like being a vtuber i think is pretty much trend chasing, but you can make it more your own, like how juniper was known as one of the main ones that made all her own assets and has a popular and "unique" design. the bad kind of trend chasing would be something like uto with basically leeching ame's clout, or artemis leeching hololive in general, but that worked too.

For chuubas with masks, optional or not, what are s the best-looking or most interesting design?

>>21156125
>All the big streamers and youtubers who have made it say that you shouldnt be chasing trends
Who the fuck is saying this? All the big creators I watch absolutely follow and twist trends to match their content.

>>21157694
Ludwig (who was like, the fastest-growing streamer in the world for a long time) even says the number one thing you need to stream is 'what everyone else is doing', but CHANGE IT UP; it's called the Yoink & Twist, where you want to take what someone has done and put your own spin on it
In general, everyone should be watching this video too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i9gkprYekI Ludwig is incredibly intelligent and is probably one of the best sources to go to for stream advice.

I just finished my second stream, to a grand total of 4 people in chat.

>>21156551
how about ESL countries that have a stronger presence in youtube compared to twitch? Stream in English in Twitch and stream in another language in youtube then?

>>21159042
Congrats anon! You'll get there.

>>21159042
wow that's actually pretty good
i had like 1 (me)

>>21159148
>Stream in English in Twitch and stream in another language in youtube then?
pick one and stick with it.

>>21159263
Keep at it, game the tag system. Maybe nostalgia bait a bit with some well remembered retro games you like. You'll build an audience.

>>21159148
twitch actually has a MASSIVE spanish community, like its actually insane how you can sort by highest viewed and its just some latino guy playing gta5 or some shit to 70k people. its a mind boggling phenomenon where we always hear about guys like xQc and ludwig and hassan, but like half of the top 10 highest viewed dudes are spanish speakers

>>21159042
I just finished my... 6th? Stream
Keep having 1 viewer (according to Streamlabs, wasn't me) which the app says stuck around the whole time, but... didn't say anything. I don't even know how accurate Streamlabs is in terms of 'recognizing' whether people have stopped in, got bored, and left...

>>21159148
>massive spanish audience on twitch thanks to Nimu
>english speaking audience from other countries all on twitch
>chinese are all on bilibili
>Japanese are on youtube

That leaves people who speak smaller languages who would mostly use facebook gaming and the like so you should be streaming there if there's a big demographic that uses it. Also in terms of money non speaking viewers are always donating less and having no money in comparison with 3rd world countries so people who are fluent in multiple languages pick english anyways.

>>21160013
Streamlabs, just like youtube, can't see people using adblock in real time. I don't know if streamlabs can after the fact, youtube can but it chooses not to.

>>21160013
>Couldn't even bring themselves to even ATTEMPT viewer engagement
why even stream then? might as well just upload videos to YouTube at that point

>>21160575
I mean idk it just feels a little too "desperate" to start sucking the dick of people who probably just clicked on my stream because they were bored. Not to mention that like I said I have no idea if they're even still present, if they're just some bot account that's gonna DM me about buying followers, whatever, and don't wanna have me talking to nobody (well moreso than I already am) archived in my vods

>>21160740
Streaming is all about the interaction between audience and streamer and there is a very wide line between what is just saying hi and engaging with the ones to talk back and "sucking the dicks of randies".

Does being numberfiltered mean hey don't even read your application? Talking about niji ofc

>>21160740
it's better imo to embrace the tiny core audience now, really establish yourself as someone with a lot of interactivity, especially since you have a window to engage with people one on one. they in turn around and advertise you word-of-mouth to their buddies as this cool (or funny, or hot, or whatever your main thing is) dude/chick who really pushes to be chat's bro-they're-playing-games-with. by the time your followers have grown by any significant amount and you're not quite able to keep up with being AS personal, doesn't matter, you've got that strong foundation that remembers your interactivity and will stick with you.
otherwise... again, the entire point of streaming is interaction. maybe they're not saying anything specifically because they're waiting for YOU to be the one to break the ice, after all, it's literally YOUR show

>>21160918
literally all they have to say is "oh hi, I see I have at least one viewer, thanks for sticking around!" strategically wait a few minutes if you wanna avoid "seeming desperate" and to make sure they're not just a random click, make it seem like you just looked up from the game and noticed
worst case scenario, no one's watching you live anyway, do you really think anyone will go out of their way to watch your vods and go 'haha this person's talking to nobody what a loser!'

>>21160740
>"desperate" to start sucking the dick of people who probably just clicked on my stream because they were bored
the type of people you get dropping by your streams when you're a 0 view are schizo viewers who are only looking for someone to chat with. do not appeal to them, do not suck off their dicks. if you do, it sets a bad foundation for your community to grow.

appreciate their time and greet them if they chat you up but don't get on your knees over them. keep in mind what kind of schizo goes dumpster diving around for 0 views.

>>21161249
>talking to nobody
I actually get impressed if a no view can fill dead air. It's a legit skill

>>21159148
She used to do scheduled streams in one language but still sprinkled in a bit in both.

>>21161363
I meant in the sense that person meant, which I take to mean them trying to strike up a conversation with a nonexistent partner, as opposed to just game commentary which I would kinda hope ANY streamer can do?

>>21160575
>engaging with a lurker
This is a cardinal sin of streaming. Don't d othis.

>editing audition video
>can already tell it'll be a hard skip in the first 5 seconds
How are your guy's vids coming?

>>21160013
What were you even streaming?

>>21161474
You'd apparently be surprised how many people can't fill up dead air to save their lives. So many would-be streamers show up thinking they'll have a full chat to bounce off of from day 1, and simply can't keep up running commentary on the game.

>>21161479
>>21161305
Okay, so in all seriousness, it sounds like a no-win scenario. What, am I supposed to just keep pumping out streams, hoping enough people just so happen to stumble across my VODs and follow me, til in like 6 months I have 5 people who will all silently filter into chat as per usual before I'm "allowed" to try talking to them? Like I get the risk of attracting parasocial psychos and all but... Not really sure what the answer is, and not sure I buy that "treat everyone as if they're a creepy stalker" is necessarily the answer.
>>21161480
Metal Gear Rising

I'm less than a month into a streaming and have barely marketed myself but I already have a regular viewer that I don't know IRL and isn't a bad time to chat with. Feels good man.
There was a day or two after I got my PNG that I was afraid I wasn't going to like streaming, but I really like it. The anxiety really does melt away pretty quickly once you just start streaming.
Now I just need to figure out what kind of content to make outside of my streams. I like to watch video essays every now and then so I think I'll probably make a video essay about something I'm knowledgeable and passionate about. I'm not expecting a huge return off of it, but I think it would probably be a good idea to get well acquainted with making edited video content sooner rather than later and a video essay might be the easiest thing for me to get motivated to create right now since I don't have a large enough audience to bounce off of right now to make edited clips that are going to be very interesting. I'm sure I'll get there eventually though.
>>21161363
Maybe I'm biased, but from watching my own vods I seem to have no problems whatsoever doing this. I have a much easier time making my inner monologue worth listening to than I thought I would. I think I still need to work on my mic settings and maybe be more proactive in treating my asthma though. I don't seem to be unlistenably phleghmy but I think I can do better. I need to buy throat coat tea and drink less coffee I think.
Thanks for reading my blog, everyone. /asp/ has been a pretty great help in getting me motivated to do this since I started reading it last summer.

>>21161480
Too new to audition for a group. It's best to have a few months minimum if not a full year before trying to go agency.

>>21161363
every 2 view anons that posted their streams for critiques earlier in the thread did great jobs at avoiding dead air. its honestly not that hard, you'd have to be complete shitter tier to not have things to say

>>21162051
try browsing through 0-2 views on twitch

>>21162116
yes those are shitter tier people

>>21161716
>What, am I supposed to just keep pumping out streams, hoping enough people just so happen to stumble across my VODs and follow me, til in like 6 months I have 5 people who will all silently filter into chat as per usual before I'm "allowed" to try talking to them?
STOP STREAMING TO ZERO PEOPLE YOU FUCKING RETARD.
>make content
>make memes
>do voice reveals
>show off a talent
>BUILD INTEREST FIRST
if you're going live and not sure if anyone will watch you YOU SHOULD NOT BE STREAMING. stop wasting hours of your day. because that's what you are doing, literally wasting it. no one is going to find you because twitch discovery doesn't exist for 0views. no one is going to click you because you tweet out "hey i'm playing pokemon, come chill".

create content before you ever go live that has value and makes people want to see you.

>>21162226
and that's why I get impressed if a legit 0 view can fill in dead air.

>>21162269
>the vtweeter neverdebuted rises to offer their 'advice'
oh boy here we go

>>21162325
>>the vtweeter neverdebuted
the 0view after 6 months chimes in

>>21162345
show us your numbers bro, since you've got it all figured out

>>21162325
It sounds like your butt hurts, anon

>make content besides streaming every single day for hours and hours? as if that could work

>>21162406
No kidding.

How about creating content while sprinkling in some streams once in a while? Too ambitious?

What sort of clothing designs make you more inclined to click on a video/stream?
Are you a fan of something more whimsical or something more grounded?
What do you consider overdesigned?
What do you consider underdesigned?

>>21162491
No it's either stream only or content only no inbetween trust me I'm from 4chan. I won't share my link tho. Anyways you're a retard.

>>21162540
>Colorful/Pretty/Cute/Cool
>Whimsical, but if it looks good enough i will at least check their voice
>Hard to read shilhouette, too many colors, conflicting colors
>LITERALLY JUST A GUY IN A HOODIE

>>21162269
streaming to nobody is easier for me than doing marketing reps and also get no views on those. I'll be the forever 2viewchuuba and my lurkers are now going to be called smart fridges.

>>21162581
shittiest strawman i have ever seen, here's your pity (You)

>>21162581
You got so close. You should’ve called them thought police or a corporate sellout as well

Networking you fucking idiots. You have to network to get anywhere. Yes, that does mean making friends with people for the express purpose of siphoning off some of their views. If they're not menhera even by vtuber standards they won't mind, they did the same thing. All you need to do is not be a dick about it.

>>21162491
>How about creating content while sprinkling in some streams once in a while?
that's fine but you've gotta face reality. there are tens of thousand of people streaming right now grinding out 6-8 hour long streams to literally zero people. they're all banking on twitch's non existent discovery algorithm to save them but it won't.

>>21162650
>>21162662
Thanks I did my best

would it be more efficient to do a fast-paced, edited 5-minute video talking about what i like, dislike, would stream, and about my character instead of doing a 30 minute debut? I feel like audiences don't really have the attention-span to focus on a dragged out debut when i can just give them a short YT vid that tells them about me, and that i plan on streaming on twitch.

>>21162706
>they're all banking on twitch's non existent discovery algorithm to save them but it won't.
I wish DLive blew up more, they had a pretty damn good discovery algorithm.

>>21162739
no one cares about what anime you like, make content. get rid of the holorot from your brain.

>>21162609
By these standards it seems my outfit fits the bill.
Thanks, it helped a lot.

>>21162706
At what point should a chuuba transition into focusing a bit more on streams? I'm assuming it's based on how much engagement I get but that's a bit hard to measure

>>21162666
easy for you to say satan, nobody wants to be my friend

>>21162772
it is implied i would make content, now answer the question.

>>21162832
Once you have about 5000 twitter followers and at least 10k average viewers on all your hahasofunny tiktok meme videos, you are then allowed to start streaming. Until then, don't even try, you're NGMI if you don't meet these criteria.

>>21162540
Clothing doesn't make me feel more inclined to tune in to anyone, I'm more likely to be driven away by hoodies though, and if I feel like the colors aren't very good, usually due to lack of contrast with other non-clothing features or a bad/generic color scheme like black+red or pink+baby blue
I enjoy more whimsical designs I think. Good grounded ones need to look like they'd be good fits IRL.
>Overdesigned
Anything that looks like someone's first super unique deviantart/tumblr OC, mostly by women
>Underdesigned
Plain hoodies or shirts like on most vroids, mostly by men

>>21162832
if you have an active community that will participate no matter what you play even if it's incredibly overdone them just stream and hire someone to make some clips for you to advertise in your yt/tiktok/twitter

>>21162870
>would it be more efficient
no. neither option are efficient. there you go. stop being an entitled faggot thinking people will waste their lives listening to what book you liked.

>>21162666
I'll do it soon, I promise. I've been apprehensive about it just because I've never actually made friends or networked online before despite being a regular internet user since I was five years old; only in real life. Thanks for the reminder in any case.
I've been putting it off and just been focusing on streaming since I have no content creation experience, and I feel like I have my streaming legs now so I have no excuse to not be networking at this point.
Also this is neither here nor there but this is one of the better /asps/ I read this month

>>21162938
thank you for answering anon :)

>>21162900
>bad/generic color scheme
Does blue/gold fall under this category? Would adding another color be a safer bet?

>>21162739
My dad used to work in the radio biz, and the advice he gave me on demo reels is that you first 30 seconds needs to hit. Most people looking at reels only give it half a minute before skipping, and lasting a whole minute is usually good enough to get you to second review.
No one will watch the whole 5 mins of your reel unless they're down to a small handful of options and you're in the group.

>>21162970
okay, so yeah this just supports youtube shorts even more then, got it. thanks :)

>>21162832
>At what point should a chuuba transition into focusing a bit more on streams?
once you start getting regular engagement on your shit.
https://twitter.com/TheCJBOSU
this male chuuba got to his point by doing nothing but spamming tiktok meme sounds for a month. he did a voice reveal just one week before "debuting" on twitch.
https://sullygnome.com/channel/cjbosu/90

>>21163017
Youtube shorts is an abysmal format. Just edit a good-ass video reel and send it out via a google drive or dropbox.

A big reason why you should stream even to 0 views is to build your skill over time.
Once you gain reasonable proficiency (which you can tell by you gaining a few viewers and them staying over time) then you should look into doing the twitter, tiktok, marketing, side content reps.

Being entertaining is your number 1 goal and everything else comes after that. The reason why vtweeters stay vtweeters despite having immense skill in marketing is because their streaming skills suck. It's just simply another skill set but all you need to do is to just stream to gain the skills over time.

>>21163158
You can practice commentary and speaking your mind just by talking to yourself and narrating what you do in your everyday life (in your mind if you don't wanna look weird). You don't have to stream for hours everyday to build that skill up. Your time is better spent elsewhere, like the other things you mentioned

>>21163158
>you should stream even to 0 views is to build your skill over time.
the only skill you can train with this is talking to dead air. you will never become a perfect comedian by talking to shadows that's not how it works. 0 views is only a problem for the first 1-2 months of any competent streamer and you can skip that by just doing your network reps.

>>21163158
This has been my approach thus far and I find your post here very validating. Thanks.
I wanted to get myself to believe that I could put on an entertaining stream before I could even feel that putting out on-demand content for the sake of drawing people to my stream would be worth it, if that makes sense.

>>21162963
There's a right and wrong way to use colors, I was more referring to people who primarily blocked out all of their colors in that fashion without care for tone and highlights, such as a black/red twunk vampire man who has dark skin but black clothes, red highlights, but also red eyes, black hair, and all the red is in the same shade too.

Hey, i love you guys
I will try my hardest to become an actual mildly successful chuuba and i like this community
Even if i'm scuff as fuk and probably will have tons of low quality streams that even you guys might think are shit, i will still like it here
I hope we can go on this journey at least pararell to each other and we all achieve our goals
Goodnight aspies

>>21163288
gn lolicon poster. We can make it if we try

>>21163247
Well this is true, talking to yourself for 10 mins a day is good exercise in streaming and making good commentary.

>>21163021
Checked out his tiktok too, he's been regularly putting out a video everyday and managing to catch the algorithm for some of them which is impressive.

However watching his streams and vods, he just isnt that entertaining. His skill in marketing himself is what everyone should learn from though.

>>21163273
also i would say silvervale falls into the bad light pink/blue category, its such a boring model i swear, no idea why people like it beyond tits

/asp/ very productive today. best thread in months. ganbare~

>>21163431
>However watching his streams and vods, he just isnt that entertaining.
CONGRATS YOU'RE FINALLY GETTING IT THROUGH YOUR THICK RETARD SKULL.

you don't have to be "entertaining" by some faggot anon's arbitrary standards. you just need to be sociable and not a fucking incel. if you even have half a functional social circle irl, congrats you are capable of holding an audience as a streamer.

the only problem you have when starting out is that no one knows who you are.

>>21163470
がんばります!

>>21140981

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1437645987
>01:51:47

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1436930902
>02:10:19 - 02:12:58

I recently polished up the settings on my mic so I sound much fuller and warmer in these streams. However in the timestamp of the second one you'll notice my limiter stepping on my speech abit, I've since fixed that.

>>21140981
>>21141069
This was my most recent stream
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1437770621
This is a stream where I'm playing a game I know
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1434989512
I've been wanting to post here for some feedback if you're still around and can sit through tranny voice.

Any opinions on Lance Maverick's /asp/cord?
It got linked a few threads ago but I was hesitant to join it since it was linked here (ironic, I know) and it had fewer than fifty people in it. The only people I see that share their thoughts about it in here write posts that, to me, reek of sour grapes. Would anyone care to chime in?

>>21163770
Turned into a clique early on and with "security" concerns aka people in the clique not being able to suppress their menhara in the public, it doesn't really feel like a discord for helping people and more like a secret club sometimes, considering how roundabout it is to actually get in. It's been feeling dead recently after many people part of that initial clique have left or disappeared with nobody to replace them due to the narrow entry.

>>21163770
it's the 4chan version of the envtubers discord. just a place for people to socialize. it's pretty much dead right now since the most active people have stopped talking. occasional menhera rants about numbers, circlejerking and afking in each other streams.

at best it's just a dead discord server you set mute on and check infrequently for drama posting. at worst you fall into their clique and spend more time becoming a vtweeter like most of them than a vtuber.

>>21163901
>>21164013
I see. I'm under thirty myself but the culture surrounding discord makes me feel very old. I think I'll just try to network with people that I come across on twitter that seem like people I could gel with in that case.
I still haven't engaged with any content from Kongou (I would assume that he is in there? I'm not an OG in this thread but he gets talked about a lot here) or Bloom, but at least Bloom in particular seems like someone I could possibly get along with so I've been vacillating on engaging with the discord since learning about them.

>>21163770
They're a bunch not gonna make its, it's been a year since they're around and they have nobody beyond 100-300 viewers on their discord.

There's no point in joining it or networking there because you're just swapping around the same amount of viewers between each other.

>>21164190
Neither Kongou or Bloom are in the aspcord last time i checked.

>>21164190
Discord is just a chat interface for all sorts of different things, you'll have to use it eventually if you want to collab with someone through voice chat and such.

>>21164293
Oh I know, I mean specifically the culture surrounding large discord chatrooms and not the one on one communications therein. I use discord myself to talk with my friends and the people that made my avatar. I hope you get what I mean when I say that it makes me feel old.

>>21164240
Gotcha; that speaks volumes. Thank you.
It's been said a few times but this really is the best /asp/ that I've read in a good while. Thanks everybody.

>>21164357
Fair enough. I feel like what I've seen in Discord including in Lance's discord is no different from the IRCs I've been in back in the day, but I'm probably just magnetized to those types of people and can't escape. Maybe one day.

>>21164190
DM
qwxty#4828
Ray0#2710

if you wanna talk to someone in the community. People in vtubing skew far older than 30 so you'll be fine.

>>21164422
I haven't been there myself, but I think you can make it out if you try!
I feel like my experience online has been a total fluke as far as that is concerned. I made just enough good friends in real life to not get sucked into the chatroom vortex. I hit up IRC a few times to meet new people but nothing stuck. That was back in my Something Awful days.
I spent a lot of my youth trying to fit in with people ten years older than me on the internet and that is something I have only truly shed in the last few years of my life, coincidentally since I have reached 25
Vtubing is very cool and I like /asp/ btw. I might also be drinking.

a friend of mine is a vtuber now, and it's all thanks to you guys since I gave her tips that I got from people /here/. I hope you all are happy and I want you to know that she appreciates the tips that anons from /here/ gave.

>>21164713
>SA
your experience wasn't a fluke, you're just a different breed of odd

>>21163901
this is my issue with joining a discord server of any kind.

>>21164622
Noted! I'll probably hit you people up tomorrow since I am very busy having beers with my friend the computer right now, but I seriously appreciate the gesture.
>>21164789
Oh yes, I don't disagree with that. Probably even more so than you would assume.
I am a person raised by people that posted on Something Awful and that is entirely why I had an interest in that website. I found 4chan in 2006, long before I ever posted on SA in ~2010. I know there have got to be plenty of people like me out there, people raised by people that posted on Portal of Evil and SA, but I have yet to meet many of them.

>>21164622
Also @inframoebayot on twitter too!

>>21163665
Looking through your stats, you started 2 months ago and you're doing well. Your voice is fine, you sound similar to a few vtuber that are doing well right now so it's not a debuff either. Your commentary is not bad but could be improved. Overall judging from your viewer retention it's actually pretty high for someone who's social media I cant find. This means you got some quality to you that people really like.

In other words this is the time to do some networking and marketing for yourself and to build you brand up more.

>>21164910
i feel like if i ever met someone that told me they were raised on SA and were so confident in having been a regular or lurker there to have that fact tied to their name, i'd run. probably why you're not meeting anyone from there, it's really not a good thing these days

>>21165053
Well, I should mention that I don't go by any name that I went by while posting on that website. I've shed online aliases like a snake sheds skins, at the risks of sounding like a complete douche.
So I get what you're saying. I'm just sharing my experiences. I have yet to meet anyone my age that was raised by people that browsed it often enough to have it leak into my IRL childhood to the point of wanting to join the website myself. That's all that I mean.

>>21162805
Random arbitrary standards from a singular anon should not be the validation you're looking for. "Guy in a hoodie" still describes many of the most popular creators. Art style matters more than design does when it comes to a character.

>>21162325
What is this retarded take?
>make content
>HAHA LOOK AT THE VTWEETER GUYS
Streaming isn't the only part of content creation that matters. Most people out there did not get big (or even get started) purely from the stream itself.

reminder that you can generate content from streams
do skits, do bits, make highlight reels, upload clips in various places

>>21165247
If people don't know this to begin with they were destined to be NGMI and even with this advice will be.

>>21165219
>You have to do X Y and Z
>I-I don't need to show you that doing so gave me good numbers! Trust me I'm definitely not a viewerfag just making shit up with no personal experience that it works!

Literally every single poster that types the word viewerfag is a complete loser. Change my mind

>>21166061
Replace "that types the word viewerfag" with "that gives 'advice' safely behind the anonymous identity this board grants and is actually just LARPing" and you've got something
>imagine trying to 'offer guidance' when you're a never-streamed/0view yourself and actually have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
What pathetic excuses for human beings

>>21166044
I mean, he's right, it's important to have content that's around when you aren't.

>>21166191
>it's important to have content that's around when you aren't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_on_demand

>>21166177
Oh yeah, that goes without saying.
The problem is that this website attracts a certain kind of person that realizes that they are like that and is content to wallow around in that sort of lifestyle to the point of believing that they are actually better than other people for being afforded the privilege of being able to do just that.
4chan in 2022 is paradoxically one of the better social networks available to people these days despite the presence of those people. That is just my opinion.
I think that if you can dredge through a website full of both the aforementioned people and people just giving their honest opinions entirely divorced of the egocentric nature of other forums and social networks while also honestly and earnestly self-evaluating, then you probably have a pretty sound mind. Again, just my own, admittedly biased, opinion.

>>21163665
Didn't take a comprehensive look but from what I saw you have a decent enough foundation regarding your streams, you're pleasant enough to listen to and there's nothing that really sticks out as being bad. As the other anon said, marketing and networking will help you the most for growth in the short term.
I'll note that in your speaking you sound kind of flat in your delivery, you don't necessarily need to be super emotive or anything but if all you're doing is commentating on gameplay in the same tone of voice all stream it's easy to lose interest over time even if I'm drawn in initially. It's not really something that can be improved on too prescriptively, I think just keep it in mind and find a direction you want to go in there. More zatsu might also be good, games can be a crutch there but don't be afraid to go off on tangents, just let your talk go wherever naturally.

>>21166044
Every single large content creator out there has and will tell you the same thing. This information isn't something new that a random anon dreamed up, it's a various pieces of tried and tested advice that have helped others grow in the past and will likely be exactly the same into the future.

I genuinely would like to know what your alternative to that anon's advice is if you believe it's worthless information.
>>21166208
Full, unedited VODs are not the type of video the viewer of your average nobody are watching.

>>21166570
>Full, unedited VODs are not the type of video the viewer of your average nobody are watching.

This. Even someone as big as Jerma will post 20 - 45 min compilations of his streams which are anywhere from 4 to 7 hours.

>>21166177
>if you want money you should get a job
>Uhm have you ever actually HAD a job? how do YOU know it'll give me money?

Please don't make disingenuous arguments like this. There's plenty of successful people out there who will give you that exact same advice. Most people who are successful now did not start as 2views, they either already had a foot in the door from previous content creation (art, youtube, or just had connections to begin with) or did the pre-debut bullshit. I'm not saying that predebut is the fucking holy grail or how it should be done but that term has been poisoned by all the retards who literally create zero content and just tweet.

>>21166177
something something food analogy
critiquing doesn't need to come from a pro for it to be valid otherwise the only people that would be able to help other people here are
the biggest vtubers in the platform

>>21166778
i had one typed up about habanero peppers but decided against it since they seem set in their ways already. The proven methods out there speak for themselves, let him be salty.

>>21166570
>Stream
>Cut out bits as you go
>Make a compilation video every couple weeks/whatever supports your streaming schedule
>Now you also have a body of work to fall back on where people who thought this moment was funny or that moment was cool can go watch the full video and when that part comes up they can go "ha so that's where that clip came from!"
this being markedly different from "you have to spam shitty TikTok memes and whore yourself out to a bunch of never-was-es on twitter to follow-back and have an official 'debut' stream
this whole "don't even bother starting streaming if you don't already somehow have hundreds of people chomping at the bit to watch you" shit is fucking stupid

>>21166812
I want to hear the habanero analogy. Pretty please

>>21166778
if a person were even a fucking 10view or something and screenshotted their stats and THEN were like "yeah so I did all these things and see it helped me", it might be a bit more valid
there's a middle ground between "the biggest vtubers in the platform" and "0views just armchair quarterbacking with strategies they think would probably work maybe"

>>21166829
>this whole "don't even bother starting streaming if you don't already somehow have hundreds of people chomping at the bit to watch you" shit is fucking stupid
This. I feel like this should be obvious but I'm replying just to emphasize what you've said here
The best way to get better at streaming is to stream.

>>21166857
I've never eaten a Habanero pepper before but I can warn you it's hot because plenty of other people out there have.

>>21166829
>hundreds of people
I feel like you're thinking way too big. You don't need massive partner-breaking numbers it's just retarded to stream to literally zero people, that's why there are some people out there who do the whole pre-debut shtick. Being a part of some sort of community whether it's a small supportive friend group or something bigger is pretty important when it comes to content creation and your method is doable as well but it's markedly harder.

these are all pretty valid and proven methods to success. the pre-debut shit, the "stream and hope you've got good clips", farming interactions with memes and other non-streamed content. It's all worked for vtubers.

>>21142146
Why the fuck is your intro so much louder than your actual talking voice. Everyone please do test recordings and balance your audio. Look up audio ducking as well so you can reduce your bgm/game audio when you talk.

Personally prefer the 2nd video's voice but I'm asian and probably not your target audience. Go with the majority.

>>21143127
>>21143351
>>21146641
>>21163610
>>21163665
I think your streams are good on commentary, interaction, not much dead air. Work on networking and creating clippable moments instead.

I do feel the talking could have a bit more energy in it, but I also understand keeping that energy level consistent throughout an entire stream can be extremely draining especially if you are introverted.

>>21146640
I get the idea but wasn't particularly entertained.

>>21166998
>anons streaming with one another to 0 viewers all to fabricate a made-up in game victory for a tiktok clip

I want to commission instrumentals and karaoke tracks but do I need to know what key I sing in first? How do I find that out if so?

>>21167509
what? just use instrumentals from youtube..

>>21167276
Yeah I honestly can't think of many people who started streaming to literally nobody and grew from there. Most successful (even people in the 20-30 range) people had some kind of established audience prior to starting out. Just from grabbing a couple of random people in that range, they at least started with a few viewers for their first streams

>"Do networking lol. Market yourself"
>ok how?
>"Uhh, post TikTok videos and use hashtags on Twitter?"
Alright, how do you 'actually' market yourself? Because that shit almost never fucking works.

>>21167509
>do I need to know what key I sing in first? How do I find that out if so?
Uh if you can't figure out (or I guess, name) the key of a song just by listening to its chord progression (like you hear it and go "Oh, this is in F# Maj or D#Min"), you... probably don't need to worry about it. Just pitch match.

>>21167622
You make cool/funny/interesting compilation videos of course.
But not clipped from streams, because you can't stream before you've made these compilations. You have to not-stream and make up these clips, release those, and THEN you can stream.
Sensing a real chicken-and-egg thing here

>>21167622
You make content that people look for. Or bring your content to the people that want it.

>>21167652
You're picking different pieces of advice from different people with different opinions on it and combining them. A lot of the people I've seen marketing themselves on Twitter comment on a lot of things, share those tiktoks (or just vids) and hashtags that never work so....Don't know what to tell you. Grab and 30 CCV streamer and look at what hey did to grow and it'll likely be just that. Interacting and networking, creating off-stream content and in some cases clipped content for those who didn't go pre-debut.

>>21167622
I would like you to share with me why you chose to post the mouth of truth.

>>21164403
Kongou isn't in anything, to be fair. He's /here/, but not openly. He's open to DMs, but doesn't follow anyone, doesn't join any discords, and doesn't self-shill here

>>21167622
>Alright, how do you 'actually' market yourself?
Interact with people on twitter. Go and stalk Letania or Sloth's twitter.
Talk to people in the comment section on tweets. Empty platitude work, but try to stay on topic.

>>21167114
Thank you for the feedback.

wtf this thread is good?

>>21167686
What if I don't really know my target audience? Do you keep going and hope to build a community or become another cog in the vtubing machine?
>>21167823
Chose wrong image lol
>>21167991
God it's rough talking to people on Twitter. One slip up and they're down your throat.

>>21167622
The truth is that it's all luck and a bunch of RNG and if the algorithms bless you or not. That's all. There's no big secret to it. Even if you copy what is trendy and popular, guess what? so is everyone else so you won't stand out. It's just luck whether or not people pick YOU specifically for whatever reason. The good news is that even if you're an unlikeable cunt, you can still get an audience.

The deadline for /asp/ sings ECHO【Gumi English】by Crusher vocal and self-artwork/frames is April 11th with video/audio editing done by the evening of April 14th. The plan is to catch the weekend viewers from this MMORPG called Mabinogi's community. Can't say it's a million-view in a year project but it's not going to be limited to just /asp/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKGUgOfD8U
Vocaroo's are fine but Discord or Google Docs is probably how submission is going to be set up. Let me know if you need the file in .wav or mp3 original quality. Make sure to send in your drawings by April 11th as well. Be you’re best self!
SwissedToast#1337

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uvpujycxjbbb4y9/echo.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wyjfv45n3zuxpzg/ECHO%20package.rar?dl=0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E1b113x2Fn6cy0cuGZSy9L1bIAAfJGBK2J1iD1_645s/edit?usp=sharing

>>21168094
dumb frogposter

>>21168341
fuck off already

>>21168146
>it's rough
So, hopefully, you're following some larger creators. I'm not saying Hololive size, but maybe 200+ CCV

Be semi-active in their streams. Personally, I ALWAYS drop a wave emote when I'm in someone's stream, and then maybe say something later.

Then comment on some of their posts. You NEED to get in early. Ideally, first five minutes (you're going to be racing the simps, and other clout chasers). Post a relevant comment, add an emote, add a picture.
Or just a meme.

>>21168146
Barring luck, if you have no direction, you'll go nowhere. If you don't know who your target audience is, think about the content you want to make, and/or content you think you can make either better or at the very least content that is competitive with the others in that category.

If you can't figure that out, then I guess you spam content until an algorithm picks you up, but I'd say, if you're not making content you want to make then why are you doing this?

>>21168298
>Stream popular shit: nobody watches because they'd rather be watching more popular ones
>Stream niche shit: nobody watches because nobody wants to watch niche shit
I can smell a garden of eden between those two but God made me blind.

>>21168469
My only direction is making content I enjoy. Problem is I enjoy peculiar things most people don't, whilst making content I assume a vast majority of the community don't even watch. Only thing keeping me going is satisfying myself + the few subs I do have and hoping the algo smiles upon me.

>>21168146
>Chose wrong image lol
I'm truly not doing this at your expense but this was one of my heartiest lols of the entire evening. God bless

>>21168832
This is the most polite reply I've ever received on this board. Thank you anon, you've humbled me tonight. Bless you.

>>21168644
There's an audience for everything anon. You have to find where those people hide or anticipate what those people are searching for. Make attractive titles and thumbnails that you think they'd click on, and follow through with the quality. The more people click on your shit and stay, the more it'll be served to people who like the same shit. Your interests are not unique.

>>21168991
Double bless you. You worthy person!!
You human being, you!

>>21169008
Cheers, this is good advice.

>>21167622
the best way is to join a community and make friends. be genuine about it. all the big streamers were part of some community before hand.

>>21169121
Are there any you recommend? Preferably open to newcomers, the first (and last) Discord one I joined had a 'boys club' vibe going on, it was embarrassing.

>>21169266
desu no clue, but join a good streamer channel from twitch. usually, the creative streamers like music streamers, or art streamers have good discords as everyone there is show casing their stuff and encourage one another.

also be a part of other discords as well, not just one.


dont join a "vtuber" discord just cause you want to become one. everyone there is trying to become a vtuber and youll get nowhere.

pngtuber are not vtubers

>>21169538
Very good points, thank you

>>21169538
This. If you can form a circle of friends in a small streamer's Discord, it's quite easy to just do a few smaller streams in the voice channel then eventually tell them Discord sucks ass for streaming and invite them to watch you on your channel instead.

Whether they stick around is highly dependent on if your content is worth it.

I did it for a niche game couple years back. "Hey I'll show you how to dodge this fucker's attacks" or "fuck man I can't get past this boss, can someone watch and tell me what I'm doing wrong?" It's great when you give them a bit of power to feel like they are a better player. This helps with networking with non-streamers but actual fans of a game, so they might leave if you change niches/games too.

>>21168146
>One slip up
We all know what that's code for

>just realised I used local code for my phone number on niji application instead of international
will this be a problem? I assume they contact successful applicants for the next stage by email first so if I get that far could I just reply to them with the correction?
god I worry about every single part of this fucking process too much

>>21168377
I'm here to stay!

How can a male chuuba act or be cute/etc?
What is your definition of cute?

>>21168341
Is anyone actually gonna do this or nah?

>>21170912
The only number you should worry about is your Twitch followers/YouTube subs and your consistent views
But yeah, they should contact you by email. Not that I would know, I'm just one among the 10 million applicants who won't get shit

I just want them to watch my video bros...

>>21173009
nah

>>21173009
The song choice is shit

getting filtered by body xyz for my rigging of all things, serves me right for not thinking much about it at all during the art

I know that you should network and ask people to hang around in your streams, but what If I want to mainly do prerecorded in youtube (commentaries etc)? Ask them to subscribe and like and ask for video ideas?

>>21174824
I personally like Echo and it's tangentially vtuber related and it being in English is great but also fuck yellowcat

>>21177270
>fuck yellowcat
til the day I die

>like [x] sings projects
>don't want to enable yellow cat
Reee

What are some (cute?) alien chuubas to look at for designs or just stuff in general?

>>21174637
They probably only take the time to watch it if the rest of your form has what they want, I doubt it's not the last thing they look at.
Next time work on polishing the written answers, your video can be a bit cringe, as long as it's the best you can make it.

>>21166879
If any of you /asp/ies had actually made it you wouldn't be here in the first place. That by itself means any advice from "experienced" anons are going to be bad, either purposefully or due to sheer inability.

If the anons here knew how to be sucessful, they would /be/ sucessful. You're better off listening to feedback from actual viewers. Hell, we have chuubas here who admitted to not even watch streams, and only go live for the attention.

Does it make sense if I want to be a clipper first then slowly shift to become a chuuba? Or does it count as leeching?

>>21167622
It works if you are entertaining. It works if you're a cute girl. If you aren't either, why the fuck are you here?

>>21180009
Ask yourself why you wouldn't have different channels for such a different content, the answer should become clear

>>21180009
Petra Gurin was exactly that

It's entirely feasible to grind to 20-30 ccv if you're not entertaining and with no marketing
it's entirely feasible to grind to 50 ccv if you're entertaining with no marketing
it's entirely feasible to grind to 70 ccv if you've got marketing but aren't entertaining
but if you're entertaining and do your marketing, you can get 100 ccv in no time.

>>21182214
That first one would be fine with me, but i think 2-3 ccv for that is more realistic at least in my experience.

good morning /asp/ all the slime has left my body, and i feel quite good, that means i can make a schedule today and get some more work done on my video game.

>>21182214
I can't market because I've been on 4chan for 10 years and attenionwhoring is antithetical to my entire being at this point. I'm not even joking.

>>21185039
>attenionwhoring is antithetical to my entire being at this point.
Then why do (You) want to be a chuuba? Honest question.

Question, if I put my iphone horizontal, will it still working as good as vertical?

>EVHO
>not FANSA
ISHYGDDT

>>21186547
EVHO*

>>21186609
Why
ECHO**

>>21185039
the same for me, although im starting to over come that a bit because i actually want to go some where. i posted a few fan art on reddit and got 1k upboat for each and it gives me like 20 twitter followers per post. i really should join some discords but i generally dislike most internet communities unless its /here/

>>21172383
i find it very cute when men sperg about their interests. If you want to be more moe then do what female chuubas do, make autistic cute sounds.

>>21186210
Never mind just check it my self, actually it works as good as vertical, but of course the range of capturing facing is harder.
But luckily my face is in the iphone camera range when I set it in my personal best position).

>>21180009
it works amazing if you are a girl and lightly inject your personality into an outtro. sodafunk's entire growth came from cashing in on hi honey with a girl voice and getting attention from various vtubers that they clipped. of course there were a series of controversies regarding if it was a guy hiring a girl to pretend to be him and the fact that the channel mascot was a stolen design but it couldve worked

dont even try this if you are a guy tho

>>21185841
I really enjoy it when I'm live and interacting with chat. To get a more active chat I therefore need to market myself which I just struggle to do right now. Getting more outgoing as I try though but it definitely doesn't come naturally.

>good live2D resources are so sparse that you have to get lessons from someone that looks like a high fantasy concubine
im not complaining but it kinda speaks for how dire the situation is with trying to learn this fucking thing

>>21189143
you mean YoshinoArt? because if so, fuck you. Her tutorials are top tier and we should be thankful she isn't paywalling them.

>>21189747
read nigga, i said i aint complaining but its weird that this is the norm for Live2D compared to other programs

>>21187459
MMQ

>>21187459
i dont think women want to hear me sperg about workplace safety

>>21190081
>women
why do you say this?

>>21189826
it's a super niche program that's only useful to make Vtuber avatars, we should be grateful good riggers like Yoshino are sharing their tricks with us for free. It's extremely simple at its core and you can learn how to use it with the official live2D tutorials. Dunno what you want.

>>21190248
Live2D is getting used in games now though, not just indies but also highly popular mobile games. Feels wack that after all this time it's still sparse to find indepth lessons from more professional places.

So, first time rigger here. Is it a good place to ask some technical questions? Live2D has been starting to act funky, and I want to get a model for a friend done and most communities I check are fucking dead.

>>21153778
I sent apps to Niji and Holo. After seeing some of those videos that some /asp/ie linked here a couple of weeks ago I realized that, at the very least, I have decent odds of maybe being considered, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that I'll be considered for Holo, ain't no way.

>>21190323
>to find in-depth lessons from more professional places.
it's really not that complicated, have you tried making a model yet? I found it overwhelming at first but after you try you realize it's really simple

>>21190362
There is a semi-official L2D discord where you can ask technical questions and usually get an answer fairly quick.

>>21190362
there are some people learning to rig that lurk here and /wvt/ so either would probably be a fine place to ask

>>21190437
I know it's easy, but I'm mostly looking for references for more complicated arrangements and it's not always easy to see how other models I'm trying to take things from do their textures and stuff efficiently, since there's parts you'd have to draw but can't really preview sometimes, wacky stuff with masks and all.

What vocal warmups should I do before stream?

>>21190446
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>21190501
I'll try asking here if I can't find help on Discord. Thanks!

>>21190635
there are official models you can download if you want to know in what order to draw

> finally get the 50 followers to get affiliate but my average viewers drop to 2.8/3 so I can’t apply
Real 2view moment

>>21190914
The ones on the Live2D site are not nearly as complex as what people are doing these days though.

>>21179095
>>21186547
just make another project, /asp/ sings fansa, without yellowcat.

>>21190929
Give me your link, I will lurking in your stream if I notice you streaming.

>>21190950
mind to share a picture of the design? when I rigged my model I made the mistake of making a million pieces which later made the rigging process more tedious.

>>21190950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd4C037h_Yo also, check this girl, she goes in-depth about the cutting process

>>21190929
i will also lurk your stream, drop link

>>21190962
Someone set it up!

>>21190962
>/asp/ sings
or aspies can stop wasting their time with dumb 4chan projects and put in their reps streaming

>>21191104
I'd rather not associate my model with /vt/. I also understand that making a shitload of pieces is really inefficient as I've practiced with before, that's why I'm trying to figure out how to do it efficiently from others but there are parts I think that need to have some masks so they don't warp fucking weirdly to compensate, mainly on the hair.

>>21191284
I put in my stream reps almost every day, it's networking and dumb projects like this that I need to branch out into!

>>21190997
>>21191261
https://m.twitch.tv/gnomevtuber
Trying to be a comedic type vtuber, thanks for the help

>>21191335
>it's networking
>he thinks /asp/sings is networking

>>21190081
Not a woman but I'd want to hear that

>>21191284
why not both.exe

>>21192589
who are you quoting?

>>21191722
Is there no chatbox?

>>21193114
back to /jp/

>>21183209
What does your slime smell like?

>>21192589
But it is anon. Networking is meeting other chuubas and talking to them, establish a connection. Community projects CAN be a good venue for this, depending oh how its done.

>>21193201
Hmph. Their jp vtuber threads are better anyway.

>>21193229
you don't want to network with ngmis from 4chan i can tell you that much.

>>21193229
Pretty sure that's just the guy in these threads 247 that comes here to watch people not stream and struggling being 2 view to make himself feel better.

>>21193276
okay. bye. you'll be missed.

>>21193322
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Okane.

>>21193322
I want to network with chuubas that I share common ground with

>>21193438
you'll end up falling into their social circle and crab in a bucket yourself to sub 10 views all of which are other aspies afking in your chat.

>>21193592
who pissed in your cereal this morning?

Is there any pros and cons between prprlive and vtube studio?

>>21193592
you sound a like an resentful dick that thinks he deserves more than everybody else

>>21193653
a year of watching aspies make the same mistake
>>21193676
vtube studio is better and actively developed by denki. you can crop out the floating walfie watermark by just cropping the screen if you don't want to pay for it.

>>21193696
That's because he does.
You don't though, you're not allowed.

>>21193214
i can send some of it over if you want to

>>21193592
Being in their social circle doesn't exclude you from being in other circles. 4chan is essentially a normie website now, theres no stigma. I don't know what your definition of 'making it' is, but people go into this hobby for all kinds of reasons.

>>21193810
samefagchama...

>>21193868
can't wait for your debut, six streams then eventual transition into a vtweeter who subtweets drama

>>21193911
you really don't deserve it anon, and you never will.

>>21193940
projecting?

>>21193718
>>21193676
And for glasses user I think vtube studio is the only choice(if your model is live2d).

>>21193940
You sound bitter anon. Hows your networking coming along?

>>21194076
he just described it

>>21194025
it's pathetic how antivaxx "arguments" have seeped into internet discourse now and the only thing anons know what to do is throw out out of context one word "gotchas" like you're Ben Shapiro on a show.

>>21190081
please do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWBQwgQbotk

>>21194106
welcome to post 2012
it's been like this for the past decade

Please be better at detecting bait, aspies. And stop replying

>>21194106
>>21194149
(You) two should totally like hang out or something

>>21194198
Yeah, I had the feeling its bait. People genuinely have that mentality though. With the whole networking thing, I think community events would be a nice social event + would promote /asp/ies. I have no experience organizing such a thing, but if someone wanted to take up the mantle it'd be a great opportunity for alot of people in /asp/

>21194433
>I think community events would be a nice social event + would promote /asp/ies.
this is the bait. /asp/ is not a community. /asp/ is not a twitch team or agency. stop talking about it as if it is.

Enough responding to bait, post/draw fanart

Is it possible to rig a standard png or do I need to commission something specifically for rigging? Yes I have no idea how Live2d stuff works

>>21194718
You can give a png to an artist for them to make it Live2D-able. But you need a model that is built on "layers" that are made for Live2D.
You can also get away with some bad crude animations with just a png, but you'd be on your own with most of the features of Live2D.

>>21193322
>Network with 4channers on /vt/
>meet people from 2 views to 1000 views and beyond

Yeah keep telling everyone to not network with "ngmis" from 4chan.

>>21195347
if you want to talk to kabhaal you can do that directly. not through some retarded /asp/ sings project.

>>21195381
What should I do to talk to the rabbit?

>21194628
Don’t be obtuse, I meant it in the same way /a/ sings and /v/ the musical are community events. Something that would make /asp/ies confident in putting themselves out there would be beneficial. Content creation revolves around putting yourself out there

I just wanna sing with some aspies, is that too big of a sin? Is it just streaming and networking reps 24/7?

If you reply to this post with a request within the next 5 minutes I will draw you a free asset for your channel in ms paint.

>>21195749
Starting soon screen but in the style of one of those slenderman pages

>>21195749
If nobody else is going to,., screw it

What if I was a anime chuuba but like my gimmick is I like to smoke weed and make family guy references

>>21195966
Oops. Also forgot to say: maybe something for a starting soon screen or a small mascot sprite to put next to my normal avatar?

>>21196013
Like I'll have a bong rip redeem and when I get raided by a girl I'll say blast you vile woman

>>21195749
That's time
>>21195938
What aspect ratio? 1920 by 1080?
>>21195966
>>21196055
Do you have something specific you want? Do you want it redrawn? Do you want art of this character? Do you want just a starting soon screen?

>>21195446
>Don’t be obtuse
don't be a faggot and posit disingenuous arguments. yes there are big chuubas like Kabhaal and Yozo will occasionally stop by here. but don't delude yourself into thinking you're "networking" with them when you participate in an /asp/ sings project.

>>21196123
>1920 by 1080?
aye.

>>21196123
Starting soon screen,maybe floating around in a spacesuit or something unless you can think of something else for them to wear or do.

I wanna do vtuber shit but with an avatar that isnt some anime waifubait shit. i was thinking either a sentient pile of meat or a robot. maybe even some fucking abstract picasso looking character.

the main issue is vocal dysphoria, no testoterone does something to a mfer.

>>21196548
>with an avatar that isnt some anime waifubait shit.
ok? do it?
>the main issue is vocal dysphoria,
you'll never get over this unless you start hormones. just get started and listen to your own vods. you won't love it but you'll get used to it after a month.

>>21196548
I got nutty amounts of toss and I my voice has always been foreign and strange to me.
You just have to listen to your own voice, correct yourself, and get feedback from others.
I think this is the method because it helped slightly. I wish I knew the full solution. I can only say for sure it's not a hormone thing, many people of all walks of life find their own voice strange.

>>21196654
another issue is buying software and also getting the model drawn and rigged. i can do it myself no problem i just suffer from artblock like every three days. its a fucking nightmare.

>>21196744
>another issue is buying software
OBS is free?
>also getting the model drawn and rigged.
since you said you wanted abstract shit just draw it on paint yourself?
>i just suffer from artblock like every three days
do you want to be a vtuber or an artist?