/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2045471
HoloEN was formed six months again you idiot, of course Ai, who has been in the game for years, is going to be a bigger influence.

>>2045471
There are easily 60 vtubers who are more influential than Kizuna

>>2045516
take your meds anon

>>2045516
all 60 are from vshojo

Gura BTFO

>>2045471
I forgot the source

https://mag.sixty-percent.com/sixty60_2021

Isn't she mainly on TikTok these days?

>>2045471
>Old, out of touch boomers are several years behind
Why make a thread about this?

>>2045471
>doesn't realise that the magazine is acting like a leech and using popular names of things for SEO, nabbing the very first thing that pops up on a Google search of "vtuber", trying to ride on the current craze
>cares what a magazine says as their entire industry is on its last legs and they're desperate for scraps
Anonchama please.

>>2045700
>>2045782
So, who could take her place instead? Marine? Pekora? Coco? Mito perhaps?

>>2045516
which then means all the top influential people in Asia are vtubers

>>2045865
You say that like the "place" has value in the first place. But sure, the pirate lady that consistently gets 20k live viewers minimum could easily be in that spot.

>>2045865
Honestly probably Coco, if only for the sheer fact that she's almost solely responsible for both cover's expansion into the west along with its withdrawal from the Chinese market. If you don't want someone that controversial, then I guess Korone.

>>2045471
Ogey.

>>2045516
There's barely a handful of VTubers that are influential. The vast majority of VTubers have little to no impact on the industry.

We can start a short list:

1. Kizuna Ai - founder of the industry, first VTuber to break into mainstream media in Japan, continuing pioneer
2. Tsukino Mito - popularized and shifted the industry to the Live2D avatar + livestreaming format

Feel free to add anyone else.

>>2045959
>You say that like the "place" has value in the first place
It's the top influencers of Asia. Babymetal and BTS are on that ranking

>>2046061
Exactly. There's only those two.

Holofags coping a lot but you would bet that if a holo appeared on there, it would be all over twitter, reddit, 4chan, youtube and so on, much like all the minor shit they get.

>>2046061
>>2046128
Kizuna lost almost all relevance a few years back with some awful business decisions, you're delusional if you really think she has the influence now that she did back in her heyday. If this was an "all time" list for digital influencers from Asia, sure, but not a list meant to reflect the current fucking year.

>>2046164
>it would be all over twitter, reddit, 4chan, youtube and so on
Yeah, because hololive is more relevant.

>>2045975
>probably Coco, if only for the sheer fact that she's almost solely responsible for both cover's expansion into the west
This will never not be a funny claim because it implies Cover somehow didn't know that the west existed, despite recruiting several ascended janny translators from before they even had multiple generations of talents.

>>2046270
>it implies Cover somehow didn't know that the west existed
They still act like it doesn't sometimes.

>>2046164
>if a holo appeared on there, it would be all over twitter, reddit, 4chan, youtube and so on
sounds like the definition of being influential

>>2046164
Seethe harder.

>>2045471
Obviously as the person who kickstarted the whole vtuber thing she deserves that spot. Still a lot less popular than Hololive in the worldwide scene though.

>>2046270
Anon, with how retarded they are, I'm pretty sure they still don't know that Kiara is not in Japan anymore.

>>2046365
>GUYS WHY AREN'T YOU TALKING ABOUT KIARA
Fuck off.

>>2046381
Well, why aren't you?

>>2045865
*ahem*

>>2046303
No you imbecile. I meant that your retarded fanbase would make a huge deal of that.

>>2046215
This is literally relevant you fucking retard. You only look at her channel and think you see the full picture when this isn't the case. Go to Tiktok, bilibili, look at her merchandise, sponsorships, guest appearances and all the things she's out. She could lose her channel and still would be bigger than any hololive.
You are also retarded to not understand how this is about asia.

>>2046363
Popularity is way more than just internet, although even in the internet she still is. Kizuna Ai is way more than her own channel for years at this point.

>>2046565
>SHE'S RELEVANT, THAT'S WHY SHE HAS TO COLLAB WITH NYANNERS
She'll always get free gigs for being the first vtuber to break into the mainstream, but you're silly if you actually think she has any real relevance outside of being shoved into things by out of date boomers.

>>2046565
>Tiktok, bilibili, look at her merchandise, sponsorships
Literally partnered with China, and they have a stake in everything. I was actually expecting hololive to sink after the China shit, because while annoying, they're very big.

>>2046468
Pfft. Pekora hasn't ever appeared in TV, had their own TV program, appeared in Shibuya many times, appeared in any real concert, interviewed Hollywood actors, had many concerts just for her, an entire distribution center just for kizuna ai merchandise instead of a fucking third party thingy, has her own album and music... Any holo to reach what Ai did and do will take years and still not beat her, because Ai will continue doing her own shit.

>>2046468
The replies on that tweet was a Pekora Party.
Bet the other girls were like "who the fuck is this cartoon rabbit?".

>>2046629
The only reason they had the balls to pull out of China is because there's a huge Western market supporting them. Cover is forced to suck our dick now.

>>2046670
This sounds like an annoying orange schizo post

>>2046612
Seeth harder imbecile. You're so retard that you don't know that Kizuna always had guests for her concerts. Literally KAF was her guest in her last concert. Nyanners and the other guy are in there because it's US themed. You're completely delusional thinking she leeching Nyanners. No coincidence for you to be in 4chan.

>>2046720
You're the one bringing up leeching, not me, sensitive Kizunafag.

>>2046215
>Kizuna lost almost all relevance a few years back with some awful business decisions, you're delusional if you really think she has the influence now that she did back in her heyday. If this was an "all time" list for digital influencers from Asia, sure, but not a list meant to reflect the current fucking year.
Maybe in the overseas community, but she's still relatively strong in the domestic market. Like Active8 used their series C funding last year to develop an in-house XR system that they showed off for Ai's 2nd live and presumably going to use for the US tour. Staying ahead in tech development is important to open up more possibilities for virtual talents and prevent this industry from stagnating, which it already kinda is with the oversaturation of virtual variety streamers.

>>2046709
That sounds like cope because no holoshit will be able to do anything she did or does. And Cover is too incompetent to have most of this anyway.

>>2046750
It's clear that you meant that, much like you and a few others here alraedy tried to bring up.

>>2046753
They'll say you're coping.

>>2046703
>Cover is forced to suck our dick now
>barely anything new in holoEN
How's that sucking going on? We're lucky to have at least Ironmouse as a known spic-speaking vtuber, because otherwise the only option would be CHINGA TU MADRE.

>>2045471
>Having gura living rent free

Ai is still popular with boomers and normies who aren't really following the vtuber scene despite not really being influential in the scene for the last 2-3 years just by virtue of being the "first" vtuber and the massive normie pandering she did back in her prime

More news at 11.

imagine desperately defending CCCP for free
mentally ill.

>>2046910
Pretty good, anon. Just today Gura got a call from Bushiroad to do a Bandori sponsored stream. In a few days there's going to be a Full-gen HoloEN collab with promising stuff to be announced (I'm hoping for the plushies to be in production!) and there's obviously Mori's EP coming soon. Did I also mention that Hololive started hiring and even closed auditions for V-Singers for the ENGLISH branch? Something they haven't done seriously since Azki. But EN Vsingers, I wonder why? Gee maybe because Mori's first EP topped the charts in iTunes and Spotify alike? Not to mention Gura's legendary second karaoke stream, which garnered 120k live viewers? Is it possible that Cover knows there's a huge amount of interest for Music chuubas in the West and want to cash in on that? Did I also mention that Cover took literally NO time to announce Gen 2 auditions after VSinger's? I wonder why they're hiring THIS fast for a side-branch? Maybe because it turned out to be really succesful?

>>2047202
this
I hope OP is at least getting those 50 yuan from chang but I doubt that's the case

>>2047278
>In a few days there's going to be a Full-gen HoloEN collab with promising stuff to be announced
Are they going to finally collab with Coco and Haachama?

>>2047202
>>2047335
>everybody I don't like is china
Jesus you people. You're like that schizo in /jp/ seeing imaginary holofags posting reddit memes in his vtuber thread.

Lol how many of you retards are basing your opinions of kizuna being influential on a dying magazine desperately fishing for views

>>2045471
kuzuha ai is a DAD

>>2047278
I'm a bit wary about the EN VSingers thing. If Cover chose well and the new recruits bring more interest into the currently underrated VSingers sphere, that's cool. But then we run into the issue that Cover's 3D tech for live performances is lacking compared to other parts of the industry, like what Activ8 showed for Ai's 2nd live, what Kamitsubaki showed for Kaf's 2nd live, or what's going to be shown for the upcoming V-Carnival event. And considering how Cover's treated their sole VSinger (AZKi), hard to be hopeful.

People are so mad, lol. With that said, good for Ai. A lot of people don't know but Ai actually does a lot more than youtube and is still super popular (especially in Japan). That is why she still gets more endorsement deals and still shows up in games and stuff more than say Niji or Holo (like the recent Fall Guys skin).

As for her youtube content which is what I'm sure most of us are familiar with. I still think it's as good as ever. Her videos are the perfect thing to watch when you want your Vtuber fix and don't feel like watching a 4 hour hololive stream or something. Her concert earlier this year was absolutely amazing and had much higher production values than anything Nijisanji or Hololive has done concert wise. Good to see Ai getting some recognition for the amazing work she still does.

>>2048444
>2 hours
>only 50 posts
Anon, the pink cat and orange bird threads get way more shitposts in 2 hours. She's not that influential nowadays, not even for antis.

>>2045631
I chose my dick as the number one influencer in my life anon, are you going to suck my dick too now?

>>2046061
Mito isn't relevant at all outside Japan and is barely relevant at all in Nijisanji itself since their fans are all Fujos who only watch the males anyway.

The real list is
1. Kizuna Ai - Obvious reasons that you stated
2. Project Melody - Showed that Vtubing can be a legit success outside of Japan which led to the boom we are seeing in western Vtubing

>>2046756
seeth more kiddo, your literally who chuubas are being forgotten little by little

>>2048561
>Mito isn't relevant at all outside Japan
Anon, where do you think the vtuber thing started?

Having been influential and being influential are two entirely different things.

>>2048561
beware, nijikeks will start coping like no tomorrow

>>2046061
>1. Kizuna Ai - founder of the industry, first VTuber to break into mainstream media in Japan, continuing pioneer
Except, she's old, busted, and washed up.

>>2046061
>continuing pioneer
She probably would've been if she didn't get in the 4 AIs thing. She's just playing catcch up now with holos, nijis and vshojo.

>>2048663
Shhhhhh

>>2045471
I really don't see people trash Kizuna that much, just pointing out how much she got fucked over by her corporation's dumb decisions. that being said, she is objectively not that influential today beyond essentially starting the industry.

>>2048867
>vshojo
The third wheel she's after is 774. Which are MUCH bigger than VShojo.

Maybe it's a bit of a newsflash to people here, but the VTuber industry is still a majority Japanese thing in terms of revenue and relevancy. This isn't the anime industry where half the industry's revenue is from the overseas market. So it really means jack squat saying Ai is "irrelevant" or "not influential anymore" just because the overseas community abandoned her. She's doing fine in the domestic market and making headway rebuilding her global audience.

>>2049460
We are reaching levels of cope that shouldn't be possible

>>2049590
Come up with a better argument or go back.

>>2049460
Anon, she's being mogged by Niji in Japan too. Ai has gone from setting the trend to following it.

>>2049672
Nijikeks continue being delusional. Kizuna Ai as a brand is much bigger than Niggersanji.

>>2048505
Read his entire post, smartass

>>2048444
Thanks for not trolling and doing your reps

>>2050003
>Kizuna Ai
Probably on 2018 when Nijisanji was just starting. But she's following the trend now. Even the tiktok shit is only because it's a chinese company.

>>2048867
Imagine believing she's catching up when Kizuna Ai alone makes more money than those groups and is the only one actually know by normies.

>>2048663
She's literally influential.

>>2048505
There's not much to talk about Ai anyways

Most of the people here already moved on from her.

Not that it means she's not influencial in the Vtuber Circles (she still is), moreso that she's no longer as relevant in the Western communities

>>2050047
>makes more money than those groups
Hello, fellow numbersagi.
>the only one actually know by normies
>normalfags
>knowing weebshit
Schizotouristchama...

>>2048892
She's objectively influential in the main market of vtubers, japan, which is where all of those companies make most of their money. newfags won't understand.

Kizuna Ai is as influential as any TikThot

>>2045471
The list is thrash, too biased. I'm an Asian and I don't recognize almost all of them.

Should've used the title "East Asia's Top Influencers that We the Editor Personally Knows about Their Existance."

>>2049460
>but the VTuber industry is still a majority Japanese thing in terms of revenue and relevancy.
Good

>>2045471
>Caring about an influencer list

>>2046670
Pekora has been on Tv, anon.

>>2050088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQjDcGZYcg

>>2050003
Yes, anon, and that's why Ai started streaming about a year ago

>>2050301
Anon, streamers from my country are full WE, so forgive me if I don't take that seriously.

>>2045471
influential ≠ popular
but nice bait thread OP

>>2048444
7k viewers for her Fall guys tournament lol A couple of niji's in the playstation tournament was all it took to overshadow hers. Activ8 is foolishly burning millions trying to get her back into the spotlight. Aifags you're only setting yourselves up for disappointment.

>>2050668
upd8 hate. If those fuckers didn't shit it up, she probably would be at the forefront of vtubers.
Then again, it's just one more entry in the list of lucky events that facilitated hololive's survival and growth.

>holobronies unironically seething
you have become parodies of yourselves.

>>2051095
>seething
You keep using that word, but your bait thread is dead. Go make a pink cat one, you'll get more (You)s with that, like you did before..

>>2050668
>>2050820
Isn't she in her own company now? Pretty sure she left them behind.

>>2051308
She's in The Kizuna AI Company, which is a direct subsidiary of Activ8.
She used to be under upd8, which was a subsidiary of Activ8.

>>2045471
In the end why did the original VA leave? was it just the stress or did she get married?

>>2051358
She never left, she fought tooth and nail to have the rights to Kizuna AI, because upd8, in their retardation, wanted to pull a game-bu on AI. But the fact that she spent a lot of effort with that meant that she missed the wave of popularity that made other companies prominent.

>>2051419
So it was the manager's fault? I don't hate her current VA but it just doesn't feel the same, it's like when FUNi changed Shana's VA from season to season.

>>2045631
Man I'm out of the loop, outside of Ai the only one I recognize there is Babymetal

>>2051522
No, the VA is still the same one. But the rumours damaged her image, to the point people like (You) think she got game-bu'd.
>it's like when FUNi changed Shana's VA from season to season
Popular rrat is that she's now a slave to her chinese masters.

>>2051577
I'm pretty sure Kizuna Ai changed VA at some point in the past, I haven't checked her channel in a long time so I dunno if she's back but her voice was plainly different, there were even frequency comparisons being posted in the threads.

>>2050379
Random Jp people know Kizuna Ai and Nijisanji streamers but not holoshit.

>>2051095
It's more the Nijiniggers than the Holobros. Holobros respect Ai. Sora even used the Ai skin while playing Fall Guys. Nijiniggers on the other hands are the dregs of society. A combination of hipsters "too cool" for hololive and deformed Fujos living out their faggot sexual fantasies with the shitty male vtubers.

>>2051231
He isn't the one who created the thread, faggot.

>>2051730
That one's easy to explain. Holos are mostly idols while Nijis and Kizuna are variety. Obviously normalfags will be more likely to know about the variety ones. Even then, only by collabs similar to the one Evangelion had with Gillette, because it's still a hobby.

>>2051645
She never changed VA. She just had two more AIs working alongside her, to the point the three had a lot of collabs.

>>2051645
meds

>>2051736
>Sora even used the Ai skin while playing Fall Guys
Must've been weird to use the skin of the character she started as a bootleg of.
>the Nijiniggers than the Holobros
You mean the fanbases, right?

>>2051645
I'm surprised that people like you passed the first fucking grade. You are an actual retard who does nothing but parrot misinformation and you probably don't have the ability to learn yourself since your brain is so fried. You can easily see that the "different VA" thing is total bullshit just by simply going to her channel (it's one of her most viewed recent videos). If that isn't good enough there are many sources that you can find with a simple google search that proves it isn't true.

Yet idiots like you keep parroting this line because you are too fucking stupid to educate yourself before posting like a fucking mongoloid online.

>>2051806
I want to disagree with you, but given that a few years ago I spent 5 hours in warosu looking for a working hellsinker link, I can't fault you.

>>2051736
>muh nijinigger boogeyman
>thinking Ai wants to have anything to do with hololive anymore when she's contracted with bilibili and chinx
You are an actual schizophreniac

Influential is another term for being called a relic of the past. People search more about Rick Astley "Never Gonna Give You Up" than Kizuna Ai on google trends.

>>2050295
Yes, I know. Kizuna Ai had more than one TV program and appeared and still appear on it all the time. It's no coincidence that random JP people know her.

>>2052139
Niggersanji also has Chinese masters so I guess they are a match made to be right?

>>2051806
You know, if you stopped trying to attack somebody for five seconds, you'd realize he was probably talking about the time where they had different VAs, but made no real effort to differentiate between them. People noticed that the original Ai rarely showed up in any of the videos, which is why the rumors of the original being replaced came about in the first place. They did eventually try and correct it by adding hairclips and giving them individual names, but by that point most people had already moved on, so the damage was already done.

>>2051806
Well I just did some Googlefu as you suggested and found a bunch of blogs linking to these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_bxAXiI3iY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpav5yh-Vi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjFazRY3SUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQygFF3qTA

The first one is the one I remember, that's what I was talking about. Also, in this video the "new" AI herself talks about her "original" because people were bitching about it in the live chat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnBWJd9U0JI

People were suggesting to change ribbon color to see the different AIs but she says no because they all want to keep the official color.

In this interview at 7 hours and 7 minutes time they talk about it too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRO5Ntjf8RQ&t=25629s

Now I checked the recent video as you say, of course I didn't know about it since it was released, yet it's obvious she's lying to save the channel's face, as the proof of her different VAs is still on her channel (the links I posted in the start of this reply).

I get it, the original VA is back and KIzuna Ai is just a project, she's a character blah blah... I don't give a fuck. There was a time when they had changed her VA and I didn't like it so I stopped watching. Period. Go be a sassy faggot somewhere else.

>>2052955
>Niggersanji also has Chinese masters
Aren't they pure japanese? "Their" CN branch is basically just billi's project that Nijisanji can say contributed to create. Stop being a tribalfag.

>>2052955
NijiCN flopped hard, VirtuaReal is pretty much managed entirely by Bili and Niji only provides the tech

>>2051783
Not sure who is worse between the meds posters or the ENMA shitposters.

>>2054445
>starts talking about frequency spectrum analysis tonprove that Ai was replaced
>wonders whybpepple tell him to take his meds

>>2051645
>I haven't checked her channel in a long time
Yeah we can tell you dumb fucking retard.

>>2053263
https://krazete.github.io/ailog/static

At no point during the time Ai's sisters were on the channel did Ai ever "leave" in any meaningful sense of the word. Yeah, upd8 fucked up by not clarifying at the beginning what was happening, which caused the initial confusion, and they ultimately paid the price when Activ8 shut them down 3 months ago.

The whole rumor of Ai leaving or Ai being replaced should have died back in October 2019, but here we are over a year later and the same bullshit keeps coming up.

who's this. not hololive ? dnc dog water.

>>2045516
Kizuna Ai indisputably has the most normie recognition even if she doesn’t get stream numbers like the other top Vtubers. She’s been exploding on Tiktok

>>2055873
>CONSOOM! DONT QUESTION DONT UNDERSTAND THINGS! CONSOOOOM!
Just for you, faggot.

>>2061974
>You can easily see that the "different VA" thing is total bullshit just by simply going to her channel
Your very own words friendo.

>>2052955
>Niggersanji also has Chinese masters
weakest rrat I've seen all week

You can tell people don't know anything about asia when they say kizuna ai is dead and don't recognize these influencers

>>2045649
She lost all the respect I had for her.

>>2045471
In terms of popularity yeah she's kinda a nobody now. But it's not like she isn't the most influential, she's the one who pioneered and coined the term, everyone who's anyone knows who she is.

>>2049590
he's not wrong, go to japan you see vtubers on tv, billboards. subway trains, ect. every major vtuber company is also based in japan.

cheering on your favorite being a corporate whore sellout
disgusting

>>2049313
>774
literally who

>>2075889
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/774_inc..

>>2053574
There was never a NijiCN. Virtual real is NijiCN.