/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

This is your reminder that using "livers" to refer to vtubers is absolutely retarded.

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>49,843: Pekora (Hololive)
>34,678: Marine (Hololive)
>28,906: Miko (Hololive)
>25,197: Kronii (Hololive)
>21,408: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>19,558: Subaru (Hololive)
>15,804: Watame (Hololive)
>13,176: Mio (Hololive)
>12,940: Luca (Nijisanji)
>12,547: Choco (Hololive)
>12,547: Ina (Hololive)
>11,969: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>11,706: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,613: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,417: Okayu (Hololive)
>11,165: Nene (Hololive)
>10,631: Fubuki (Hololive)
>10,624: Hal (Neo Porte)
>10,587: Flare (Hololive)
>10,563: Amelia (Hololive)
>10,535: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>10,303: Ema (VSPO)

Ah, peace

>the shizo forcing miko graduation posted a thread in the wrong board first and then posted here again
lol he is desperate

>>20224151
You have to play like IRyS. Purposely forget to lock on and upgrade your gear so the only thing the backseaters can do is scream

"LOCK ON!!!"
"UPGRADE YOUR SWORD!!!"

Somehow she is unga bungaing her way through the game and making good progress. Its a wild playthrough.

>>20223171
>>20224486
Wait, is it really by Aomushi?
Please, god, let it be, Aomushi does top-tier ryona with good art.

The Kizuna Ai clip hit 1 million views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elbcRw5B0qA

>>20224523
they do get them, but they don't do great, most of them don't break 10k, but i kinda get it, they're more niche since they are pretty much fps streamers with the typical vtuber stuff on top

>>20224317
>and physical abuse
webm related
>HOW I WISH THAT WAS ME

>>20224303

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>25,202: Kronii (Hololive)
>12,919: Luca (Nijisanji)
>12,550: Ina (Hololive)
>10,571: Amelia (Hololive)
>10,556: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>9,909: Vox (Nijisanji)
>9,823: IRyS (Hololive)
>9,039: Ike (Nijisanji)
>6,541: Shu (Nijisanji)
>5,270: Shu (Nijisanji)
>5,068: Mori (Hololive)

>>20224483
That would imply they are targeting the same audience. Isegye being on Twitch already makes them similar to Vshojo in that they are a group with a fanbase completely separate from the YT crowd

>>20224523
EOPs have moved on to anglo chuubas now, I don't think clips will take off even if lots of clippers try to force it

>>20224666
kys satan

>>20224569

>>20224666
EN Gold so far for March

1. Gura (Hololive) - 18,401 (Vampire Survivors)
2. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 13,675 (Drawing Noctyx)
3. Gura (Hololive) - 29,065 (Elden Ring)
4. Mori (Hololive) - 20,340 (Elden Ring)
5. Mori (Hololive) - 32,469 (English Lesson with Gura, La+, and Iroha)
6. Vox (Nijisanji) - 21,483 (400k Endurance + Celebration)
7. IRyS (Hololive) - 20,211 (Birthday party and Totsu)
8. Gura (Hololive) - 17,364 (Project Diva Mega Mix)
9. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 12,491 (We Were Here w/Ike)
10. Kronii (Hololive) - 19,133 (Ring Fit Adventure)
11. Mumei (Hololive) - 16,530 (Unarchived Karaoke)
12. Gura (Hololive) - 16,109 (Elden Ring)
13. Mumei (Hololive) - 24,090 (UNO w/Gura, Ina, and Baelz)
14. Kronii (Hololive) - 25,202 (Birthday party and Totsu)

Hololive - 11
Nijisanji - 3
Others - 0

>>20224600
I swear I didn't make those threads, I was the first anon who brought it up last thread

>>20224666
>>20224711
syk

>>20224666
>>20224711
kys

>>20224569
My queen, I kneel!

Apex V-Saikyou teams will be announced on 18th. What is the chance of Aqua joining it?

>>20224782
0

>>20224606
Iirc some of the girls are using hyper chat and they released a feature that filters chat so they only see members on their side.

>>20224692
yeah, i've noticed this with hololive clips too, en clips for eops and jp clips for jops are still doing fine, but jp clips for eops are going down and the percentage of eops in for example holox is a lot lower than previous gens

>>20224650
Another thing is they require you to apply to them if you want to make clips and also ask that you delay making them until 24 hours after a stream plus other assorted guidelines.

https://vspo.jp/en/guide/

>>20224569
My summer cover Pekora. I've been waiting for so long already...will you have to wait 20months as well to release it? Management sure hates your guts...

>>20224680
If HoloKR was youtube focused and they had some collabs if handled right it could be good for both of them.

>>20224877
that's a lot of hurdles but i kinda get it i guess, they're trying to avoid that effect of the clips having way more views than the streams, but it affects publicity

>>20224523
They've been a few that tried EN VSPO clips that rose and fell.
None of them got big though and most just cover the whole Vtuber FPS scene and still get more views for Astel or Towa stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/c/ZoroZakiCh - the old Suzaku from Holostars clipper
https://www.youtube.com/c/Kiyukii - former anime AMV poster
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2WCyGPU5ZiKPkKSWgS8a-A
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvJfRWdbX1caTFeI3shxVAw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdnNVreFgwBHk27mOQPPqEw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR3snSCKjn9V8JbZAQJ3B4g

The dedicated Oreapo subber might be the biggest
https://www.youtube.com/c/Otakukunsubs

>>20224877
Now the chuubas are being autistic about permissions.

>>20224828
it was weird that their popularity lasted as long as it did, very unusual for a population to take interest in streamers streaming in a language they don't understand

>>20224909
Pretty sure Holo already decided that YT is their home turf and allow twitch so that their vtubers can do some other things (Miko's watchalongs, La+ Valorant, etc.). If Isegyo really has their main focus on twitch, then I don't see why they would be unable to coexist.
Though, it's koreans, so maybe schizos would still prop up.

>>20224953
It's a nip thing, not a specific person thing. It's just a cultural thing to consider the creator of the work the sole arbiter of how it can be used and distributed so they can set all kinds of hoops for you to jump through and you'll be culturally pressured to follow them no matter how retarded they are

>>20224569

>>20224877
>they require you to apply to them if you want to make clips and also ask that you delay making them until 24 hours after a stream plus other assorted guidelines
Yep

>>20224926
>that's a lot of hurdles but i kinda get it i guess, they're trying to avoid that effect of the clips having way more views than the streams, but it affects publicity
>>20224953
>Now the chuubas are being autistic about permissions.
There is a reason for that. It was clippers almost sinking their battleship by posting about their smurfing on Valorant (IIRC), which could have caused all sorts of problems for them if Crazy Racoon lads didn't have jumped on the grenade and taken the blunt of the blame

>>20224412
Nippleman: Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Nenechi's folders.

Nene pulls up her folders on her stream like a retard. Nippleman swallows, speechless. The sound in the room dies down and all we hear is a faint heartbeat as Nippleman stares at the copious amount of folders.

Nippleman: Look at all those fucking folders. The tasteless nothingburger of it. Oh my God, not a single nipple porn...

His hand shaking, Nippleman lifts up the folders and stares at it. He lets it fall. The sound returns to normal.

Nenechi: Is something wrong? Lauren...you're sweating.

>>20224666
Vox king....

>>20224828
Do you have numbers?

Looking at speedsubbers Sushi and Hololive Clips as a barometer, I still see decent views - some recent >100k view clips.

>>20224828
It's sad how many have dropped JP translation for low effort EN clips.
>>20225110
there you go again making up imaginary people to get mad at again
>>20224666
>>20224711
kys

>>20225108
>smurfing
are jps autists about that too, i see smurfing a lot in twitch for people to be able to group together since the ranking systems tend to be retarded

>>20225205
NTA but if there’s any decrease, it probably has a lot to do with Coco graduation, the distance between JPs and ENs now bar a select few talents, and most importantly, the quality of the clip.

Sushi’s clips are absolute junk tier right now. I get baited all the time by looking at one and thinking there’s more to it, but it’s so often a 20-30 second clip of them saying 1 single thing and that’s it.

I think we genuinely need clippers that are willing to put in 2-3 mins of work for a clip

>>20225222
>making up imaginary people to get mad at again
Why are you such a joyless bastard?

>>20225222
>get mad
NO FUN ALLOWED

>>20225205
sushi is like the one dude keeping them alive, and he gets more duds than wins these days
even that ratfucker otakmori is getting way less views
also, a lot of the niche dedicated to one holo clippers have had pretty bad views lately, except for soju, for obvious reasons

>>20224569
All according to keikaku-peko

>>20225222
NIJISEETHE

>>20224828
What does this mean?

>>20225499
fill in the blanks anon, it's not that hard, you get context right

>>20225110
>Nippleman
His name is Dainipplesan

>>20224680
that's definitely true.
I think right now though, holo will mostly be focussing on the fest + StarsEN. Maybe in April or something there might be an attempt at Korean auditions.

>>20225352
Sushi realized that the clip audience only has the attention span to watch minute long clips. Even cut his outro so the clips appear shorter. You've got guys like kowkarot who do long clip compilations with edits and his views are much smaller in comparison.

>>20225373
>joyless
second time you've used my insult to you right back at me worm
>>20225383
>no fun allowed
Sorry I'd prefer a usable thread instead of the one with the seethe about nijisanji from one anon and them samefagging taking up 1 in 5 posts. Even when nobody is fucking talking about them. The definition of rent free
>>20225451
see
>there you go again making up imaginary people to get mad qt

/#/ is declining.

>>20224569
Very danjyarasu
Global Gold medal anon isn't there anymore? Sad...

>>20225394
>lot of the niche dedicated to one holo clippers have had pretty bad views lately
...this is COMPLETELY anecdotal, but over the past two years I've done enough listening reps that I can get 85% of what JPs are saying. 90% with JP subtitles.
I wonder if there's a crowd of old /jp/fags who have simply done enough reps and blended in with the nips online.
Korone and several others still have a bunch of overseas viewers that come out when called, but 90% of the time chat is in Japanese.

>>20224666
>>20224711
Keep up the good work.
>>20224569
kys

>>20225499
What he’s trying to say is that interest in JPs from an EOPs side is dropping in recent time. I don’t think it’s true, but not exactly false either. There does seem to be less interest but we haven’t had much interactions with people of late and the clips out there are getting worse and worse, and are far more clickbaity than they are interesting.

I think holofes will bring back a lot of interest for everyone.

>>20225664
>I'm totally not a nijinigger guise, I'm just defending them because I like hololive
Do nijiniggers really?

>>20225706
Really nigger?go back to your fucking ENfag thread bastard. Olympic medals have never been welcomed here.

>>20225721
Nijiniggers are schizos pls understand

>>20225746
It's called Special Olympics, not regular Olympics, go back tourist.

>>20225746
cope and seethe nijinig

>>20225746
and thus begins the "I have more authority over this thread because I'm an oldfag" stage of this general

>>20224569
>MARCH 2022 GOLD
1) Botan (Hololive) - 38,974 - Vampire Survivors
2) Nene (Hololive) - 91,087 - Birthday 3D Live
3) Pekora (Hololive) - 31,971 - ARK Collab
4) Roboco (Hololive) - 52,777 - Anniversary 3D Live
5) Miko (Hololive) - 125,971 - Birthday 3D Live
6) Hayase (Nijisanji) - 72,274 - 3D Debut
7) Miko (Hololive) - 49,481 - Horse Gacha
8) Suisei (Hololive) - 45,347 - Karaoke
9) Pekora (Hololive) - 52,779 - Clubhouse 51 Totsu
10) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 35,477 - Valorant custom
11) Sukoya (Nijisanji) - 35,475 - Return stream (3D)
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 35,894 - Return zatsu
13) Hololive (Hololive) - 66,854 - NePoLaBo idol outfits
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 49,843 - Pekozon

TOTAL GOLD SO FAR
> PER COMPANY
11x: Hololive
3x: Nijisanji
> PER STREAMER
3x: Pekora
2x: Miko
1x: Suisei, Roboco, Hayase, Kuzuha, Subaru, Sukoya, Hololive, Botan, Nene

>>20225699
i'm sorta like that but i'm still a long way from there, and koyo's chat is similar, there's a few overseas peeps that just type in japanese and go back to english when called

>>20225804
kys

>>20225224
Just to summarize the suspensions and penalties that happened due to the smurfing incident with Vspo:

VSPO:
Sumire - Suspended for 2 weeks
Beni - Suspended for 1 month

Crazy Racoon:
CEO ojiji - 50% salary deduction for 1 year
rion - 3 month suspension
zepher - 1 month suspension

VSPO Statement: https://twitter.com/Vspo77/status/1443192689265053703?s=19
CR Statement: https://crazyraccoon.jp/news-20210929/

>>20225804
Thanks.

>>20225820
*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY*

>25,202: Kronii (Hololive)
>12,919: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>12,550: Ina (Hololive)
>10,571: Amelia (Hololive)
>10,556: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>9,909: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>9,823: IRyS (Hololive)
>9,039: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>6,541: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>5,270: NijiNigger (Nipplesanji)
>5,068: Mori (Hololive)

>>20225883
I keep reading Applesanji every time for some reason

>>20225883
What happened to Vox, did all his Taiwan fans leave?

>>20225716
I came from the normie land of Leddit to here cuz the overall interest in JP clip or JP talent from EOP has dismissing a lot. Remember when Doggo's bustling out move on her birthday and got sick after that, yeah barely any discussion, that's why i came here.

>>20225699
Basically yeah. The globalfags kept telling me I couldn't but for all intents and purposes I did become Japanese

>>20225883
Nice work, put those Nippleniggers in their place.

>>20225857
Wait I’m sorry, idk if there’s a quick explanation in the thread but what’s the tl;dr for this situation? Are people being suspended/punished for smurfing? Or was there something more?

>>20225954
Take the final step and fly to Japan, marry a Japanese person, and become a Japanese citizen.

Noctyx really didn't do so hot huh?

>>20225954
Same here, driven by pure spite for western "entertainers" i learned to understand them

>>20225911
seems like it.

>>20225954
anon you're still not japanese

>>20226032
Not as good as they expected.

>>20226032
did these people get no debut buff at all or is this the debut buff

You can somewhat compare myth's member fanbase in China through this:
https://twitter.com/Nagi_Nyaaa/status/1501849259523514370

>>20225995
Sumire and Beni were playing with the CR players on their lower ranked sub accounts. That's it.

There was some additional talk of Beni boosting but that was not proven.

The punishment was handed out by the orgs and they also consulted with riot but they did not give any penalties on their end.
https://twitter.com/VALORANTjp/status/1443174840555376642

>>20226110
their debut buff died really really quickly, these are their first three streams for comparison

>>20226032
Niji numbers are laughable at this point

>>20225954
Make Shinzo Abe proud, anon-kun!

>>20225940
If it makes any difference, Reddit is a giant cesspool with very specific patterns that go against even EN talents. It’s the one place where the odds of finding Gura memes are nearly non-existent. Like you’d figure, the most popular EN talent who’s the biggest vtuber on the planet would get attention from the subreddit but nope, you get like 1-2 pieces of content of hers a week.

You’ll have 5 pages worth of Baerys, Kronii and “friend C”, with a small mixture of Mori/Ame and 1-2 JPs. It’s barren for a lot of stuff

>>20226122
That looks like an edit at the end though.

>>20226122
So this is the power of Gura

>>20226032
Look at these midgets

>>20226163
Looks like most of the people who watched the debuts had no intention of even giving them a chance in the first place. They were just watching to see the design. Likely people that can't understand English for the most part. Still better than being completely ignored like the female Niji ENs but still not what they were hoping for I'm sure.

>>20226163
Instead of giving Gura the perms for muse dash as the best possible advertisement for their shitty game they give it to nijifags who can’t even get a 5k average

Kinda disappointing honestly, shark is always happy playing it

>>20226028
Trust me anon as soon as Kishida lets me the fuck in I will

>>20226156
Jesus christ. The best part of this is
>Contacting riot about it
Is RiotJP conducted entirely different from the rest of the world? Because holy fuck man, literally cross no further than League where streamers and PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS openly smurf and do challenges. Fucking Riot openly pushes attention to Tyler1, the dude they IP banned for 2 years and has, in recent time, created 5 separate accounts to get each to challenger in a different role.

It’s just amazing to me how people are even getting suspended for this type of stuff

>>20226282
The chinks publish the game. The devs were pissed they pulled all Hololive from them (there were Hololive dlc in the game).

>>20226163
>Debut buff only on debut stream
Damn that's rough, not even their second stream got the buff.

>>20225699
85% only gets you the timeloop shit though, all the novel and interesting things they say are in that last 15%

and that last 15% also consists of 90% of the vocab in the language, so it's a long road ahead

Just for fun since it came up in global, Mori's Vinyl apparently is reselling well. It's got amazing art, limited run, no hint of another pressing so it could still incline. She should've hand signed some on stream and challenged Suisei for stupidly expensive merch

>>20225649
they need to do this in their descriptions

>>20226180
Sometimes reddit is even more starved for acknowledgment than this place, to get them to your side as a chuuba you just need to talk about them and they will jizz continuously for days.

>>20226391
Gura might’ve been the biggest advertisement for them now that I’m thinking about it, her playing it brought a shit ton of attention to that game. I’ll never forgive the chinks.

>>20226193 (me)
Nvm, I checked and it's real.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11F411i7fp?from=search&seid=3699424827107353672
Concerning the song on Bilibili, there are actually two uploads, totaling what I think is 150k views.

>>20226180
the fuck are you talking about, the sub was wall to wall with gura middle finger memes after that dancing stream

>>20226348
It was pretty much all because of the Twitter mob.
The same people that got angry at Gen5 mentioning janitors and Hoshikawa joking about shoplifting.
Vspo decided to nip it in the bud early. A bit extreme but, Sumire came back to likes disabled because they were being spammed.
Beni always and still has likes disabled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrMCZCLT2F0

>>20225649
it was actually the opposite back in the day, when there was scarcity of translated content and no EN vtubers to steal attention the longer clips performed a lot better

nowadays the abundance of stuff to watch has really killed that off

>>20226492
They saved us from having to watch genshin streams and Kiara playing Arknights so it's kind of a wash, isn't it?

>>20226476
Damn they put the whole dictionary in there

>>20225649
>Sushi realized that the clip audience only has the attention span to watch minute long clips.
Clippers finally pivoted away from the "Hololive Moments" format of long videos with a series of clips put together, usually posted daily.

It worked back then because people were binging on clips mostly because they didn't speak the language to catch the streams.
But after HoloEN the meta changed: people already have more than enough content to catch live or on the VOD, any clip must be AWESOME to manage to catch up the attention of an audience flooded with good moments in a language they already understand

>>20226585
I still remember when Ritore and HoloSubs with their 10 min long videos or compilations were the go to.

>>20226180
Reddit is a filled with the same fucking jokes over and over again, their humor is literally pettan jokes, tier lists and low quality overdone memes.

>>20226122
TOP KEK, that's just brutal

>>20226609
true, most of the most watched clips are still from 2020.

>>20226706
Kiara...

>>20226542
That’s not reddit. That was Gura and specifically Gura. She broke the internet with that one single moment. One single clip of it alone on youtube has over 700k views, the KR clip is almost at 200k, there’s a TW one at like 200k as well. So that should be telling to how viral it went. On any other day where such a thing doesn’t happen, you’re hard pressed finding Gura related memes or even discussion. The last thing I recall seeing was the topic that she got COVID, and that was like a month ago

>>20226180
Gura is weirdly ignored over there for some reason, like for her first 6 month it'll be understandable but even now after all the filtering she's made. The overall user seem to be mostly clip watcher, and the overall favoritism amongst EN Holo is somewhat like this imo : Calli>Ame>=otherEN with slightly dip in Gura occasionally

>>20226706
This looks so fucking cancer.

>>20226542
I can vouch. All I saw were gura memes for about two days after that stream.

>>20226542
That's just Gura being viral anon.

>>20226785
First time seeing a NicoNico style overlay?

>>20226706
Feels like a fossil population. They only care about Myth because Myth were the only ones they actually got to watch. Also only one guy did "WAH" when Ina was on, I believe she changed her greeting from "Ina Ina Ina" to "Wah" well after all the Holo stuff was removed from bilibili so most of them aren't familiar with it.

>>20226829
No, but i have avoided it for so long that i forgot how bad it is.

>>20226706
lmao

>>20226852
Most of the normal chink fanbase don't have access to a VPN to watch YouTube so all they have are clips uploaded to Bilibili.

>>20226510
>There's a moment when Sana appears that you can actually see the whole screen without comments
kek

>>20226786
Because the meme was that good. You could see their somewhat negative remark on her around the time when she do meme review and don't want to use reddit meme.

>>20226758
How does she do it?
One time it could be a fluke but she keeps getting viral moments in like every single event
Her oh nyo even infected indies, the valley girl thing was also popular.
The lightning McQueen meme, the middle finger, the smol Gura dance...

>>20226180
>>20226815
I get your point for the most part and you are partially correct: streamers with a much bigger presence in other places are mostly subdued in that site.

The reason is simple: even a total retard that never watched anything but a clip can parrot
> Russia Pettan
> Aqua Onion
> Hey Moona!
but Gura, Pekora, Suisei (among others) aren't this easy to reduce to a single characteristics easy to parrot.

Actually, Suisei was like that for a while, they reduced that magnificent singer, streamer and gamer into one single meme
> Suisei psychopath

Worse, most people were not even around when that meme started, they just parroted but Suisei dropped that bit in a week or so, only for Redditors to cling to it for MONTHS.
Long story short
> fuck reddit and fuck reddit people

>>20226972
Remember the Fubuki cat fox thing (which originated from the CN fanbase)?
Reddit clung onto that for ages until Fubuki told them to stop that shit on stream.

>>20227073
anon she told the japanese to stop doing that randomly, especially when she's talking to artists on twitter.

>>20226931
It’s even more funny if you search her JP up on youtube when some of these things happened. There was a time when that initial 3D event happen where every Gura clip in 3D was getting 300-500k there.
>pic related
I think the thing that sets Gura apart from many is her comedic timing. You can also argue it’s her comedic delivery also, they’re pretty interchangeable with one another. There’s just something in her way of thinking and the words she chooses that is so hilarious

>>20226904
I feel bad for the loyal Hololive fans there. Everything the loved got taken from them and they were forcefed only homegrown knockoffs and a handful of collaborators who only ever looked at them like a bunch of funny talking ATMs, like Mea and Vox.

>>20226931
>How does she do it?
She's cute and funny.

>>20226706
That remind me, that means chinks built most of their impression of myth based off the first month or two. Also happens to be kiaras worst months.

>>20227073
I swear to god you people are more retarded than redditors sometimes, the cat/fox meme was primarily a Japanese meme and one which she continues to perpetuate herself. To this day it's still one of her emotes. The specific reason why she brought that up on stream is because other nips were commenting that when she was talking to other artists on twitter, or making random posts to other aritsts, and that made her feel like she was getting reprimanded out of nowhere.

And then of course /jp/ twists it to an EOP thing because they have an agenda to push and retards like you eat it all up and continue parroting it because can't understand Japanese and think /jp/ is a credible source.

>>20226972
I'm not proud to say that I used to subscribe to r/hololive, until 4 months ago when I realized it's just an empty, barren land that doesn't encourage discussions like /numbers/
Despite its occasional schizo moments I gain a lot of info from here than an entire year and half worth of time there, that's why I'm a little bit sympathetic to newfags that migrated from there.

>>20226972
I still remember when Mori talk about Rushia after her termination and they just worthship her like a god because she's "the Holo who keep it real, the one who's not afraid to speak cuz of her western rapper blood" while other Holomem mention of Rushia barely got any reaction.

Btw, Finana's Tsunami hit 1 million views a few hours ago.
https://youtu.be/3i_TLQsaAgU

Only the 2nd solo channel NijiEN video to reach, after Luca's Mafia it and among the few Niji Original songs to do so.

>>20227364
It was the same 1,300 people that watch her streams looping it over and over.

>>20227318
Did the retards over there not realize that by doing that they indirectly disrespect other members?
Who is Mori compared to Flare, Marine, and Pekora which are Rushia's literal genmates?

>>20227269
>reddit
>that doesn't encourage discussions
kek, what did you really expect from a site with an EXPLICIT design decision of
> bubbling up consensus
> burying dissent
through their upvote / downvote system?

The only possible result for that design would be that quick jokes and "in group" memes would dominate the whole conversation

>>20227423
They don't care or think about that.

>>20226972
>Suisei
That "hi honey" meme stuck for months although Suisei only said it twice.

>>20227364
The like is kinda low huh, that's how you know your fanbase do their rep.

>>20227423
god you sound like a nijinigger whining about people not watching nijis instead of holos, except with holoJP and HoloEN instead

>>20227533
oh god i forgot about that whole saga i had it blocked from my memory
i still remember the spam in other mems chats

>>20227364
... Beating irys? Beating irys

>>20227533
>Suisei only said it twice.
https://youtu.be/BnMocpz-rNU

>>20227423
They don’t care. Unfortunately Mori is one of the most influential vtubers in the western sphere partially because she’s seen as a rebel in Hololive.

>>20227269
>>20227318
r/hololive was significantly better in early 2020, but all subreddits turn to shit once they reach a certain size, the way the site is built all but necessitates it

>>20227364
When's the celebration stream?

>>20227463
Someone needs to find a balance between that mode and the "good discussion but completely surrounded by garbage and clutter" of this site. maybe something where people can downvote spam and garbage and those accounts are removed but there's a review process so if you get caught brigading normal comments you just don't like your ability to downvote is nullified for a fixed period of time.

>>20227687
That's unironically discord, but then you run into the issue of power tripping mods with personality cults

>>20227648
>>20227423
anon you guys seriously need to take a step back and realize that Mori has almost 2 million subs. You can hate on her here all you want but if you genuinely think that the hate here somehow translates to her being unpopular or sidelined you're genuinely drinking the /vt/ coolaid and need to stop

>>20227687
>"good discussion but completely surrounded by garbage and clutter" of this site
There is ZERO things better than that in practice.
As >>20227741 puts about discord, any site where there is editorial control will ALWAYS degenerate into the editorial sites of the site staff.

Just scroll past and ignore, it's not that hard.

>>20227741
I used to be on the reddit anime discord, which has a vtuber section (when they were first getting popular in early 2020). It's just as much of an ironfisted hugbox as the actual reddit board, even without the power of downvotes people will jump over each other to performatively brigade you if you say anything even slightly critical of anything.

>>20227741
Does anyone here ever try joining holo discord or is it just a r/hololive 2.0?

>>20227574
One of the biggest draw of Holo is unity. You'd expect fan to do the minimal rep before comparing talent ?

>>20227841
there's got to be a forum somewhere that is okay, 4chan is okay but there are too many EOPs and utterly insane schizos spamming stuff with no basis in reality

>>20227659
Early 2020 Hololive was peak kino.

>>20227885
it's pretty dead compared to how it used to be, the community split off into vtuber-specific discords

>>20226706
Ame amen ame

>>20227687
Active discords and old-school forums that require accounts, in other words cult clubhouses and websites that got killed by Reddit and algo platforms like Facebook. Discussion on the internet is dead.

>>20227956
June 2020 was the best and most chill month in modern Vtubing.

>>20227998
>Discussion on the internet is dead.
Except for one pesky site that refuses to die or budge in and do away with anonymous posts.

I'd just give some resident nijilurkers an advice.
>Set up an SC reading site like Hololyzer
>Get the tool where an SC could drop an item on stream like what coco and ame uses
The white day & valentine streams just screams of wasted opportunities. I still remember the time when Mysta did a "You donate, You drop items in minecraft" thing. Good for a one time buff for money, but ain't that comical or funny. Valentine/White day was where the money bags is.If they had put up that tool for valentines, fujos would literally want to make the screen covered with red chocolates or something. It's like when Kanae got $90k from people SC just to try out his overlays.

>>20227822
>Just scroll past and ignore, it's not that hard.
That doesn't work for two reasons: One is the broken windows theory, ie the more a place looks like shit the more people are tempted to act like shit. It's all well and good to say that people should just ignore bait and shitposts, but if intelligent discussion frequently gets derailed by shitflinging eventually the intelligent people stop coming here to have serious discussions and all you're left with is the shitflinging.

And secondly you have the issue of geniunely malicious actors coming into the place to spread bullshit and push an agenda, which other people proceed to eat up because they believe it's legit. You can even see it in action right now with people like
>>20227533
>>20227073

>>20227822
Obviously it's not *that* hard, since I'm here, but it is super fucking tiresome scrolling through hundreds or even thousands of stupid bait posts, spam, and general clutter daily.

How about some kind of personalized shadowban system? You see someone posting stuff you don't want to see, you click them and flag it as such. You do it say, 5 or 10 times on the same IP with a fixed period of time and it just permanently hides everything they do from you without needing any formal moderation to make a judgement call on banning them.

>>20227812
No one was saying she's unpopular and hated outside of here. They only mad at EOP redditor who only watch the one who scream the loudest and just ignorant about the rest.

>>20227885
I have joined a few Holocords (not the main one) and they either
>Are very heavily influenced by the moderation team, sometimes having nothing to do with the vibe of the vtuber in question
or
>Have a massive overlap with other Holocords for no apparent reason (hint: it's the mods again) which builds their own "Discord culture" rather than focus on their oshi.

>>20228107
You can easily do that with your eyes anon. You don't need a fancy technical solution to ignore something and scroll past, only self control and will.
Same thing for not responding to bait, you don't need a "anti bait responding" cooldown or something, just don't click "post"

>>20228174
and yet you get angry when the more popular holo gets more discussion

>>20227812
There's a reason why JP members didn't talk about Rushia's termination that openly like Mori, simply because they are not comfortable about it, and this is her close friends that we're talking about.
Circlejerk as you want, worship Mori for her rap or something, but worshipping Mori just because "she keep it real" about Rushia is just ignorant.

Glancing at the subreddit, it's actually a lot less memey than I expected. It's mostly recent news (including "clip pngs" of recent streams) and art posts. Of the meme posts, some are FOTM and others are old staples (of the oft-complained variety). A few discussion posts that tend to get lots of comments despite not being upvoted much.

Regarding discord servers, my main problem with them is that they have shit archivability/searchability. There's no google or warosu equivalent there. I only use the holo discord twitter bots, since the twitter website itself is absolute shit.

>>20228222
Anon that's like saying "just drive safely lol" as a solution to traffic jams. A system that relies on everyone involved abide by the honor system is doomed to fail the moment someone refuses to do so.

It's a shame Koyori can't get her 3D before her birthday. I predict that HoloX could get their 3D by end of April after JPStars/ID3. The other 4 members could use their 3D to do birthday lives and anniversaries.

>>20228284
>it's actually a lot less memey than I expected
Likely because it went from 10k active on Coco heyday of weekly "meme review" to 2k active now with no meme prompt like
> Russia is this week guest, give me your 63 variations of pettan meme and tier lists with "pettan" as the punchline

Seeing a lot of words for an image board

>>20228310
What's the average time for 3D? 6 months?

>>20228284
Dead subreddits always turn into fanart museums, it's their natural evolution. It's what happens to literally every anime board after the initial hype of of an ongoing season dies off.

>>20228284
did you use the search options? you can do stuff like in: has: before: after: mentions: etc. which helps to find stuff

>>20224569

>>20228025
Korosan pre-Holocaust will always be the peak of VTubing to me. To SOVL, the passion, the endurance, and the beautiful numbers, no one’s going to touch that level ever again I’m afraid

>>20228231
Because that discussion went against unity while disguised as one, it shouldn't be praising her for talking about it while calling out other member's silent.

>>20228302
>Anon that's like saying "just drive safely lol" as a solution to traffic jams.
Which is solid advice btw, "defensive driving" is taught in most civilized countries to the best of my knowledge, to protect conscientious drivers from reckless ones.

What people propose when the ask for tools to curb abuse is essentially
>just install a device on every car so a central authority can remote control, remote shutdown and exercise authority over a moving motor vehicle of they (or other drivers) deem his driving to be reckless
Which is absolutely mental (but the direction our society is speedrunning into)

The thoughts of any site where the site staff exercises editorial control will become restricted to whatever the site staff believes to be correct.
Allowing for dissent to duke it out in a battle to the death is the biggest strength of this site, let's hope that never changes

>>20228329
It always was way less meme-y that this board made it out to be, especially by early 2021
Coco wasn't just avoiding doing meme review when she said there weren't enough for an episode.
It did go from what, 100 posts per hour to 12 per hour now i see.
10 k average visitors down to 4k after coco left and now 2k after Rushia.

>>20228402
4 months. Gen 5 got their 3D in January 2021 after debuting in August 2020. So they need to clear a whole 4 months. HoloX already cleared 3, the 4th is this month. Then news should pop up in April.

>>20228490
>Allowing for dissent to duke it out in a battle to the death is the biggest strength of this site, let's hope that never changes
anon that just means the loudest and most determined poster wins, or alternatively the most schizo.

Koyo finally updated, she got 3 million

>>20228547
Ehh it was 2k for a long while before Rushia.

>>20228617
Pink dog tsuyoi

>>20228329
There are 1k online in r/Destiny and 8.2k in lsf for comparison. 10k online was insanity, and I wonder if there were ways to use that as a company because at this point it's a missed opportunity that's still costing staff time to moderate.

>>20228601
Nah, that's the thing. After you get used to the bad parts (and filters them with your mid nad scroll past and ignore) you end up being able to have a decent discussion.
This very thread is proof to that.

>>20228658
yeah, it's called "getting your posts to r/all and blasting whatever you want to sell to the general reddit userbase"

>>20228658
It helped launch Myth and helped hype up quite a few JP events so it basically paid off whatever peanuts they spend on mods.

Food for though, what is the public perception of koreans on streamers?

Just now, I watched a recent 2021 movie, one of the MCs, a teen, said that they'd rather be a Youtuber to earn lots of money than go to college since their educational system imo is kinda hellish and reeks of nepotism. I believe it won't be long for Koreans to become Youtube livestreamers than twitch streamers since Youtube is a widely used app there for videos and you could earn money now through superchats. Jun's marriage SCs might encourage some folks if news gets there.

>>20228679
this thread only works because all the schizos go to sleep during EU time, wait till NA time rolls around in three hours

>>20228721
huh?

>>20228411
Yes I'm aware of them, but you have to admit discord's earch pales in comparison to warosu (for 4ch) and google (for reddit or anything on the web). It doesn't help that discord is essentially IRC, so it has far lower info per message than 4chan, let alone any forums or reddit.

>>20228716
Karma farming during Myth’s debut month was cash money.

Just use the kiwi thread when you actually want to find something. Hell just use it in general, it's the most positive constructive site for this passtime.

>>20228617
Tomorrow's going to be amazing.

>>20228679
...yeah about that, /#/ becomes practically unusable for in-depth discussion when it's flooded by shitposts and baited responses. Which always happens at you-know-when times of the day.

>>20228721
I think there's only two paths for Korean, both of them are hell.

>University
Shitty environment, heavy expectations, the highest student suicide rate.

>Streamer
Shitty environment, absolutely unforgiving schizos. JP net is like a playground compared to them.

Wished this artist took the Holo pill and started drawing more lewds of Holos instead of nijis
https://mobile.twitter.com/moketa11/media

>>20226706
chinklive

>>20228617
Good for her. This dog is rivaling Mr. Koro and early Coco in his schedule.
Nice to see it get rewarded.

>>20229171
Does Niji's fiasco with porn artists still exist or has it been resolved?

>>20228973
This thread is only usable for around 6 hours a day.

>>20228721
Korean streaming is a well-established industry with roots in esports and KR net culture. That we haven't seen many korean vtubers is not because streaming isn't popular, but because korean streaming already has its own content types. There are korean streaming websites comparable to Nico Nico, but the korean streaming communities have gravitated to Twitch in recent years due to tech stagnation. Youtube as you say is popular in korean but for video content. Playboard, a number-tracking site popular in this thread, is actually a korean company. Generally the streaming and youtube community uses the same tools that english-speakers use, and english proficiency is more widespread in korea than in japan. However, KR internet communities are more broadly comparable to japanese ones where most discussion happens on message boards that are shunned by normie society.
The younger generation definitely sees streaming or youtubing as career paths, but Korea is still a very traditional society. Parents have a lot of control over their adult children and even though as you say their educational system is hell, they will still push their kids to college and then into wage slavery. We see this with kr vtuber graduations all the time. In addition there is 1.5 years mandatory military service for men, which has gotten in the way of many streaming, esports, and even kpop careers, to the point where the government had to step in and give exceptions to active esports players and idols.

>>20227607
IRyS' first original song reached 1M on YT and 2M in total long time ago anon

>>20229028
>>20229387
Hopefully one day, they can find a balance between those two. Isegye is doing better than I thought, if Faker could get 20k+ for LoL, then isegye are big wigs now for KR to get 10k a lot of the times.

>>20227414
This, they even admitted to it in her fan discord.

>>20226931
That's what you call "a natural", anon. Yagoo really scored the winning lottery ticket with her.

>>20227364
Yet Luca's which is just a cover, is almost at 2M with way more comments and likes, while her original could barely limp past 1M.

>>20224883
When she mentioned it it was just simply a “plan”. We all know Pekora is not that passionate when it come to making music

>>20229558
why are you in the fan discord?

>>20226032
Quite good number i'd say. They'd be placed on the upper mid-tier niji even with JP included

>>20229862
chumbud seachama is legitimately unhinged and keeps tabs on everything on the streamers he doesn't and will never watch. are you new here?

>>20227414
I've never watched a single Finana stream but I've played the song a couple of times because it's pretty good

>>20229955

meds

>KR talk
Reminds me. Dunno if any of you’ve seen this but one of KR’s most well-known idol is an SSRB
https://youtu.be/aYZrmBQkyvw

>>20227687
That was ironically 9gag back in 2011-2013 untill it got shitty with people thirsting for upvotes

>>20229319
Those that posted on Pixiv, Twitter still do.
Don't know about dojin sites.

>>20224569
*Yawn* thread sure is slow.
Akirose is doing a really good job keeping between 4 and 5k of her audience for 6hours straight, on ARK no less. I know she's by far the best player at Hololive on this damn game so people watch her mostly for that, but she has inclined for sure the past month and a half.

>>20226972
> Suisei psychopath
not "Hi Honey?"

>>20227269
subreddit was far more funny before the introduction of EN
/here/fags would often post memes there for Coco to review and it was hilarious seeing some 4chan tier meme pop up on her stream.
Now the magic is long gone...

>>20230538
She really has man. Glad that VS buff hasn't quite wore off.

>>20230115
The fact that Heechul knows of not just holo/vtubers, but a specific one at that and that being Botan is just hilarious

Literally one of the most famous idols ever who got to date Momo and he’s out here namedropping Botan

>>20230115
Another win for Hololive

>>20228547
I wonder if a chunk of that userbase is actually just the Trash Taste fanbase - I remember a while back that someone checked and saw that the top associated subreddits to /r/Hololive were Trash Taste, and then 4 gachas. So it's possible that a bunch of them are just consistently following TT around, which may explain the amount of Connor/Mouse I keep getting recommended despite never watching their anything. Similarly, for the vast majority of 2020 and a good chunk of 2021, anime was functionally dead and everything you were waiting for got delayed 6+ months, so a bunch of subs > dubs watchers moved to Hololive (at Garnt's endorsement, possibly).
>>20224692
Then once anime started airing again a ton of them went back to anime, and the people who are left are generally EOPs. There's a minority who ended up understanding enough Japanese to sit through JP zatsus, but by and large people are still dependent on clips. Of course, it's also worth noting that /r/Hololive is biased very strangely, like how Ina seems to be consistently more popular than Gura there (something something /r/foundtheinaalt) despite that clearly not being the case anywhere else on the internet.

>>20230826
it still baffles me none of the EN girls have tried to do a meme review again like coco with gues.
is such a nice format and easy content to do once a week or twice a month.

>>20231114
I don’t think any of the EN girl understand memes and catch up to it as much as Coco. We have seen the EN girls do meme review before and most of the time they can only give generic comments on the memes

>>20231070
My guess is that Gura fans are artificially suppressed by the harsh anti-pedo rules and either eventually get banned or self-select themselves out of the population and end up congregating places where the ruleset is more lax.

>>20231114
>Haachama
>Ame
>Mumei
I don't know why they stop doing meme stream, maybe what Mio said is true, that kinda stream needs so much work.
I really don't understand how Coco could do Asacoco AND meme review each week.

>>20231114
> none of the EN girls have tried to do a meme review again
THANK GOD!

Even coco was tired of that, pretty much apologizing for “shit memes”

>>20230940
Fuck off nijinigger you didn't win today, you don't deserve to post Nijilewds.

>>20231272
rude

>>20231272
Why can't you just enjoy some quality lewd man.

>>20227687
Reddit's system is fine when used in good faith, twitter is a bit of a twist on it, but they both ignore a fundamental law.

On the Internet, Attention is currency.

How to resolve mass downvoting of critical thought? Make it so that highly downvoted comments still appear on top (the exact numbers can be tweaked).

The more "engagement" a comment gets, the more it needs to stand out, just like how (You)s are a currency in 4chan because it's the only way to tell if someone actually read what you typed. Good moderation on top of this can also help with cleaning up of the most retarded comments.

This is good part of 4chan because conflicting opinions will not be simply shouted down, they will still exist alongside each other. But it is also the bad part, because people will spout utter bullshit rrats and absolute schizo headcanon stuff on /here/ because people HAVE to correct them, or some lurking retard will believe it wholesale and start breaking containment with it (has happened with multiple rrats already).
Correcting them involves (You)s, and the "indirect" (You)s are even juicier, because you made them seethe and take that extra effort for (You)!

This is also why shadowbans are a far worse punishment than actual bans, since you the user will just type on cluelessly, thinking that you are just being ignored by the community at large, while it's just that they can't see what you post.

Shadowbanning rulebreakers /here/ would probably lead to many schizos taking their meds and the thread as a whole being a lot cleaner, but the mods are way too incompetent not to have false postives among those.

>>20231194
coco was making up the meanning of some memes as she went by.

>>20231313
>>20231304
At least respect the rules this thread made dammit, or I'll just want to post the few lewds that Aki has.

>>20231260
It's actually why Coco would announce guests last minute because the reddit would be flooded with shitty memes all week long with various holos cause people were trying to guess the guest.

>>20231356
This thread is slowing down anyway.
Where's that Aki lewd?

>>20225804
>5) Miko (Hololive) - 125,971 - Birthday 3D Live
Monthly gold secured. This does not slip.

>>20231331
>Shadowbanning rulebreakers /here/ would probably lead to many schizos taking their meds and the thread as a whole being a lot cleaner, but the mods are way too incompetent not to have false postives among those.
Mods can shadowban on 4chan when they are contacting the police or FBI but don't want to alert the transgressors of it. At least that's what I read

>>20231114
maybe they saw the subreddit quality drop real time...

>>20231707
Didn't Mumei and Gura actively say how shit the memes from reddit are?

Ah yeah that ARK collab is tomorrow right?

>>20231522
yeah but that's like, law enforcement shit for /pol/fags, the site itself is in Fed hands so obviously they'd have the tools.
I guess I was talking more about the regular board specific mods. I guess the term is jannies?

>>20231733
yeah they're the only two who've attempted reddit meme reviews I guess.
Or did Bae have one? I forget

>>20231748
Too much power to the commoners. Good luck saying something bad about someone's oshi

>>20231748
Way too much power. There's already one here that's trigger happy with anything negative relating to Mori.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNoCAysXMZS6VC3pPHjQO6A/

New Ayame clipfag getting recommended to me.
It's funny to check his videos list and see him attempt to get viral in real time, seems underage.

>>20231819
She did one with IRyS. It was fairly good because they largely ignored the memes for large periods.

>>20231252
Sifting through the rubbish takes a lot of time. You need enough content to keep things entertaining, and 90% of that shit is not even worth making fun of on stream.

>I really don't understand how Coco could do Asacoco AND meme review each week.
It gets a lot easier when you can burn a half hour on some dumb chart or tier list.

>>20231940
Man those charts were painful. It was so obvious to tell when the chart makers were purely clip watchers or didn't even watch clips of a member.
Great way to kill time for Coco though.

>>20231252
...anon? Asacoco was daily for the most part of Jan to April/May 2020...
She only started doing them weekly after multiple manager warnings about content and her own health taking a turn for the worse.

>>20231746
Koyori, this does not slip you hear me?!

>>20231823
>>20231922
yeah that's the issue with moderation everywhere.
And that's why reddit downvote exists I guess, just that the community has been invaded and occupied by SJW locusts and as long as 4chan exists people will just congregate here to shit on "redditors" since it's way too annoying to argue with retards.
At least the hololive community still has some /here/fags silently downvoting anti-unicorn shit, it's funny to see the comments seethe about it.

Thread ID would go a LOOONG way in improving the discussion here though, idk why no one has done that yet. Resource issues?

>>20232086
There is no way Koyori gets more than 35k. Horrible timeslot but she have to do it early to avoid the heavy hitters in primetime.

>>20224569
If we count all the gold medals, who is on top?

>>20232102
Not enough people sending feedback. People say that they don't work, but after sending feedback about the lack of moderation like 2 months ago, I saw an improvement and people are more bitchy about the jannies, so, something changed

>>20232102
Some mods like the chaos and lawlessness that they think this place should represent. Sharkmeido pretty much got publicly executed back in /jp/ cause more influential mods (/v/ and /qa/?) didn’t like how he moderated iirc.

>>20232255
but sharkmeido was the reason for this board right? Guess he got his way in the end.

>>20232228
I'm sending a thing asking for Thread ID right now, maybe some of us can make a difference.

>>20232301
After sharkmeido got killed, the mods rattled the hornets nest that was /qa/ by putting an unremovable Gura wojack on that board that covered the entire page. Then they allowed more than two threads for Hololive (similar to how /vt/ is today) and it started killing every /jp/ thread that wasn’t Hololive related.

>>20232203
>>20225804
>It's boring when Pekora gets serious

>>20231070
Reddit mods went hard on deleting Gura threads.

>>20232519
sasuga queen usada

>>20232543
> there's one on the front page right now
there's still hope in this place kek

>>20232339
You can send 3 feedbacks per day, but you can use them all on the same thing, that's what I did

>>20232684
ehh I'd say go for once every day or every two days.
Spamming feedback with the same shit will probably just get them mad and ban your ass.

>>20232565

>>20232678

>>20232684
I recall a few times where this board begged for IDs but I honestly don’t remember what triggered it.

>>20232784
seanig hours.

>>20232784
Orcschizo I'm guessing? But iirc that was a /jp/ thing.

>>20232784
The December's Mori debacle?

>>20232086
There’s like a ton of Holo in that collab based on the thumbnail, Pekora is in it too. If it get low number then I don’t know who to blame

>>20233286
Is kyori doing anything special? I only see the radio stream. Nothing that will be big numbers unless she has guests?

>>20233404

>>20233525
her last cover did well so hopeful on good numbers for this one

>>20231356
Nah, don't lower yourself to their standard.

>>20233693
i loved the 4th one, shame it was released during valentine's so it had to compete with like 20 others including Lap's, but it really suits her voice.

>>20228617
Does she have a lot of gachikoi? I know she tries to be welcoming of everyone but she never struck me as that sort.

>>20233404
Birthday Totsu, or pre birthday totsu, dunno.

>>20233884
More than most other members. Iroha is the one that panders the least but has more gachikois than Koyori.

>>20233884
she has a small army of people who give her like between 90 and 150k yen everytime she turns the stream on, and she streams like 12 times a week, she even has a meme with her scs, people give her 5454yen ones cause it can be read as "koyokoyo", and all the messages tell her that they love her constantly
it's of course, smaller than iroha and chloe, but it's pretty good for someone her size

>>20233884
I think she has more than gozaru or luilui

>>20234007
that's cute

>>20233950
>>20234007
Holy shit Iroha is THAT popular?
huh

>>20234101
Vanilla flavor is still the most common

>>20228617
the distribution for this one is sort of interesting, over 90% jp, usd not even in the top 5, NA really has zero interest in her, so i wonder about the english streams she's done in the last couple of weeks

>>20234101
She’s got a decent sized personal fandom that supports her a lot. She’s like a bigger Roboco in that their subs and outside viewership are almost non-existent but the people who ARE involved care a lot.

But her subscriber rate is some of the worst I’ve ever seen out of a fresh debut. I really hope she turns it around

Damn it Assistant Kuns, save some load for the Totsu.

>>20234509
EN doesn’t have much interest in HoloX period. But that doesn’t mean she shouldn’t try to reach out. Superchats aren’t everything, and when you’re looking to get your name out there and get clipped, there’s no better way than to try and take a step into the Western market. All top holos became popular overseas, I’m pretty sure if you go down the list the one you stop at is like, Noel, but everyone else? Known worldwide and get jokes made of you regularly.

If you look at Kronii’s bday donos it’s just a fantastic set of numbers from so many different areas. And to no surprise, she’s clipped a fuck ton in KR and one clipper in particular always gets 80-100k per Kronii clip. If there’s one thing I did learn though, it’s that Taiwanese people are just as batshit crazy as JOPs are

>>20235160
yeah, the whole vox shit really showed me how much fucking money tw has

>>20234541
Yeah, admittedly I watch her (and orca) the least.
Also her ARK stream got like what, 2k view?
She seems very endearing tho, I'm just indifferent towards vanilla.

>>20234509
Isn't this the normal distribution for JP members nowadays? Just looking at ytd streams, Lamy and Marine also don't have much western SCs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY-gJkMuJ94
another 3 days half 1m achievement from isegye idol

>>20235160
>>20235278
Am I wrong, or are TW numbers in lists like this a combo of actual Taiwanese but also mainlanders using a VPN?

5.8k for pink dog

>>20235318
na really are leaving the jps, like the whole discussion we had about clips earlier...

>>20235318
Yeah, holoX are an extreme example (especially Chloe who regularly gets 98% yen) but Holo JP are seriously dying out in the west. They're doing just fine from new JOP fans though.

>>20235311
Nah it got 6k, close to 7k, but I’m pretty sure she wasn’t very contested so it could’ve been worse. Her numbers are similar to Fauna right now view wise, in that 6-8k area. But Fauna is way more consistent in hitting a higher peak in recent days (like past 2 weeks-ish.) Some anon said that she’s been having issues with her internet and also her work(?) that gets in the way of schedules so she’s not very consistent. It looks like those problems are sort of creeping up on her as far as viewership goes

>>20235396
Vast majority are actual Taiwanese

>>20235396
From a couple of previous threads showed, the mainlander mostly VPN to other countries that's not TW, might be a pride thing.

>>20235566
Yeah, her stream's stuttering a little.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFxJjpSeXHI
her cover is attracting kpopfags

>>20234101
If it wasn't for Chloe and now Vox getting insane SC numbers this thread would be jerking itself silly about Iroha and Koyori being the replacements for Coco and Rushia

>>20235752
eh, they're not really at that level, but they're pretty good earners

kek

Fuck you Susan, return the numbers back to Koyori. Her morning streams have random sharp drops for a while now.

>>20235946
p sure it's her internet at her new place, she gets like a couple of hiccups at the start, but then it goes smoothly after

>>20235566

All Iroha strongest streams this month were right at the start were her internet was not fucking things up. You can look up at vrabi, but after 3 good performances, she went to a spree of 3 zatsus and one karaoke (of only 30 minutes). Even then she never went really low too, she should be fine.

>>20235977
The previous Asakoyo has 2 drops and 800 viewers just disappeared, this time one sharp drop with 1k viewers disappearing. Pretty sure all the Asakoyo streams are all around 8k since the VOD count is still consistent.

>>20236127
yeah, i've noticed it too and it's painful cause every viewer at this slot is important

>>20235946
Did she get Susan'd here?

>>20236195

idk anon, you tell me

>>20236127
>Pretty sure all the Asakoyo streams are all around 8k since the VOD count is still consistent.
Here is all AsaKoyo in one pic. Right around 8k give or take

>>20235373
That's fast as fuck

>>20230940
post Lulu lewds

>>20232543
I mean, after the sub literally got spammed with posts about Gura's 1 million subs back when she was the first holo to achieve them I do not blame them.
There is a reason the Holo and VirtualYoutubers sub embraced weekly and monthly megathreads until now.

>>20236234
Uops, wrong pic, here it is

>>20236284
it's consistent with her moving date

>>20236284
>2,116
Sometimes I forget just how fucking brutal peak CCVID was

>>20235539
Kinda sad the era of foreigners flocking to JP vtubers is over. Hard to think about it as a relic but it really is. I still see many indies still try for it since it was a big success in 2020. I have noticed NijiJP stopped trying for it some time after Myth. I'm not sure if NijiJPs are trying to recruit foreigners not that NijiEN is pretty decently successful.

how do we stop kuzuha bros? guys at 2.3m watchtime

>>20236429
>Kinda sad the era of foreigners flocking to JP vtubers is over.
THANK FUCKING GOD!
If there is something that ALMOST killed the hobby was the influx of clout chasers and drama niggers of both the ENVTuber(ENVtweeter) community and the western "ironic geek" anime community.

The worst threat to vtuber as a sane hobby was never getting "disneyfied" but getting "Netflixed"

>>20236375
since she streams so fucking much, she was one of the worst cases, and they still had some debut buff left at the time mind you
hope it never happens again

>>20236507
Why would anyone want to stop the King?

>>20236507
kuzuha's sleep schedule must be fucking dogshit at this point after all the elden ring streams

>>20236507

>127:29

Riku stop making King stream this much, he can only save NijiJP so much...

>>20236507
にじJP月間40枠(葛葉月間16枠)
にじEN月間25枠

1月の月間枠数内訳
にじJP65枠(葛葉月間13枠)
にじEN12枠

2月の月間枠数内訳
にじJP74枠(葛葉19枠)
にじEN32枠(デビュー配信6枠含む)

kek literally saving the JP branch

>>20236636

no but seriously, isn't this one of the months he streamed the most? except for like, his apex arc

>>20236507
His elden stream made his median tank really hard, how can Pekora have half his number of hours watch with only a bit more than a third of his number of hours streamed? Even more so with Pekor's idol reps and resting days.
Hopefully this playthrough won't fuck up his own idol schedule and reps.

>>20236507
Wow, being a fan of Kuzuha and watching all of his streams is like an extremely demanding fulltime job with overtime. I can barely keep up with my oshi streaming like 4-5 times a week for a few hours each.

>>20236514
Foreigners are still in love with the big 2020 holos but they will be the last of that era.

I get recommended gen6 JP clips all the time though so they ain't hurting.

This channel shows up in my recs for almost every video I watch.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfcS6HF9oypmkaNeBG7bzkQ

>>20236749
number of 10k+ btw

NijiEN inclined from 12 -> 32 (6 from debuts) -> 25 (currently this month)

>>20236830
man praise jp clips, they're so good for doing reps

>>20236749

there is something like this but for holojp/en?

>>20236830
>Foreigners are still in love with the big 2020 holos but they will be the last of that era.
Nah, that's the thing: recent foreigners (not just burgers but also south americans, ruskies, even flips) learned that they need to lay low because being a nuisance on chat and in the community at large will cast a negative vibe not only on themselves but on their whole country, and also because they all know how shitty the regular audience of their countries are and the LAST thing they want is their countrymates shittying up their hobby.

>>20236749
all of em are from luxiem

number of 10k+
>Vox: 9
>Mysta: 7
>Luca: 4
>Ike: 2
>Shu: 2

>>20237047
With TW leaving NijiEN, the likelihood of 10k is also decreasing.

>>20236830
Any kaigai niki from pre-EN has now either moved onto EN or done their reps enough to blend in with the JOP fans. And frankly any westerner deep enough into weeb subculture to consider watching anime girls stream in Japanese would've known about Hololive by summer 2020 when it was all over the internet.

Can't overstate enough how this pink dog morning radio program is scratching off my asacoco itch.

>>20237004
Man I'm so glad JP chats stopped being spammed by retards, Korone's was fucking unusable for months and it was putting people off her

>>20235527
It might be that the Rushia yab did way more to sour Kaigai on the whole JP scene that it seemed. Since most EoPs got the news really late and mostly bandwagoned behind "idol culture bad, let her have a boyfriend".
There were a couple of thousand unsubs which were quickly rolled over, but a bunch of people just silently left.

Doesn't help that NijiEN has a bunch of HoloEN fans too, so people got spread there too.

>>20237332
Nah it's been slowly but surely trending this way since the start of last year

>>20237332
I think you mean casual clip watching tourist who didn't bother to adapt to the culture and will instead blame the culture as being the problem.

>>20236985
nope, only this. maybe chartbro can make something in the future.

>>20236895
>12
I have 16 for January

>22159 :: 2022-01-21 :: Ike Eveland :: 【SINGING 歌枠】Let's do this karaoke thing【NIJISANJI EN | Ike Eveland】
>16748 :: 2022-01-30 :: Finana Ryugu :: 【#FeeshDrip】 FIRST COSTUME DEBUT!!! 【NIJISANJI EN | Finana Ryugu】 #LazuDrip
>15887 :: 2022-01-30 :: Elira Pendora :: 【#PeepTheFit】 FIRST EVER NEW OUTFIT!! #LazuDrip 【NIJISANJI EN | Elira Pendora】
>14815 :: 2022-01-30 :: Pomu Rainpuff :: 【NEW OUTFIT REVEAL】dinner is served :) #LazuDrip【NIJISANJI EN | Pomu Rainpuff】
>13634 :: 2022-01-16 :: Vox Akuma :: 【SIMS 4】I just wanna grill【NIJISANJI EN | Vox Akuma】
>13446 :: 2022-01-11 :: Mysta Rias :: THE BEST CHEF IN THE UK【Cooking Simulator】【NIJISANJI EN | Mysta Rias】
>12566 :: 2022-01-20 :: Mysta Rias :: BIRTHDAY TIME #Mystabration【NIJISANJI EN | Mysta Rias】
>11997 :: 2022-01-29 :: Luca Kaneshiro :: 【RING FIT ADVENTURE】MAFIA BOSS AGAINST THE WORLD FIGHTS ALL EVEL POGG【NIJISANJI EN | Luca Kaneshiro】
>11717 :: 2022-01-22 :: Vox Akuma :: 【SIMS 4】The boys get to work【NIJISANJI EN | Vox Akuma】
>11613 :: 2022-01-19 :: Ike Eveland :: 【英語禁止DUOLINGO】一緒に日本語を勉強しましょう!【NIJISANJI EN | Ike Eveland】
>11387 :: 2022-01-09 :: Mysta Rias :: Mysta's Ring Fit Experience...【Ring Fit】【NIJISANJI EN | Mysta Rias】
>11148 :: 2022-01-27 :: Vox Akuma :: WHALING FOR ZHONGLI TODAY (GENSHIN IMPACT)【NIJISANJI EN | Vox Akuma】
>10758 :: 2022-01-18 :: Mysta Rias :: MYSTA'S LUXIEM TIER LISTS MEME RANKINGS【CHATTING】【NIJISANJI EN | Mysta Rias】
>10582 :: 2022-01-21 :: Vox Akuma :: 【LUXIEM 1 MONTH ANNIVERSARY】A chat with the boys from the past【NIJISANJI EN | Vox Akuma】
>10395 :: 2022-01-29 :: Vox Akuma :: 【SIMS 4】MALEWIFE VOX IS CANON【NIJISANJI EN | Vox Akuma】
>10071 :: 2022-01-13 :: Mysta Rias :: F2P GENSHIN NOOB PLAYER【GENSHIN IMPACT】【NIJISANJI EN | Mysta Rias】

Did I overcount? I'm using JST

>>20237465
That's a gross generalization, but you can call them what you want. It's still tens of thousands of people that commented on YT and Twitter during that time which you now only see some of in Mineneko's streams.

>>20237521
nip numberfagging pls anderstand

>>20237521
>>20237609
For completeness sake, here is their february

>66921 :: 2022-02-27 :: Alban Knox :: 【DEBUT STREAM】HERE TO STEAL YOUR HEART
>61150 :: 2022-02-27 :: NIJISANJI English Official :: Glimpse Into The Future 「Noctyx」 NIJISANJI EN VTuber Debut Program hosted by Reimu & Ike
>60078 :: 2022-02-27 :: Uki Violeta :: 【DEBUT STREAM】keep your eyes on me
>57308 :: 2022-02-27 :: Fulgur Ovid :: 【DEBUT STREAM】 A Sheep in Wolf's Clothing
>52607 :: 2022-02-27 :: Sonny Brisko :: 【DEBUT STREAM】BREACH
>47957 :: 2022-02-27 :: Yugo Asuma :: Revenge??????
>27129 :: 2022-02-27 :: Yugo Asuma :: 【DEBUT STREAM】Yo! How you doin'
>22674 :: 2022-02-15 :: NIJISANJI English Official :: Final Answer?! NIJISANJI EN Game Show #NIJIAnswer
>21424 :: 2022-02-10 :: Vox Akuma :: 【RING FIT ADVENTURE】WORKING OUT TILL 300K!
>18735 :: 2022-02-28 :: Vox Akuma :: 【SIMS 4】THE ALTERNATES HAVE ESCAPED
>17419 :: 2022-02-28 :: Yugo Asuma :: 【DEBUT 2.0】Is this waiting room working?
>17270 :: 2022-02-22 :: Vox Akuma :: 【SIMS 4】CREATING THE NOCTYX HOUSE
>16681 :: 2022-02-10 :: Mysta Rias :: WARNING: THE SCARIEST GAME OF 2014 FIRST PLAYTHROUGH |【FNAF 1】|
>16113 :: 2022-02-25 :: Mysta Rias :: LUXIEM GAME SHOW - Who Would Do...?【LUXIEM】
>16042 :: 2022-02-23 :: Mysta Rias :: にほんごわかりません!FIRST TIME LEARNING JAPANESE【DUOLINGO】
>15577 :: 2022-02-27 :: Fulgur Ovid :: 【Intro 2.0 】The Black Sheep
>14775 :: 2022-02-09 :: Vox Akuma :: 日本語喋れないけど頑張ろう!【LEARNING JAPANESE IN DUOLINGO】
>14645 :: 2022-02-15 :: Mysta Rias :: Mysta SCREAMS while playing Happy’s Humble Burger Farm【HORROR】
>13394 :: 2022-02-14 :: Mysta Rias :: Mysta's Cute Brat Boy Valentines Date 【ASMR / CHATTING】
>13254 :: 2022-02-17 :: Vox Akuma :: IKE AND VOX CONQUER HORROR RPG (NOT SLEEPY THIS TIME) 【THE CROOKED MAN】
>12842 :: 2022-02-28 :: Uki Violeta :: 【DEBUT 2.0】I hope you stick around...or else
>12699 :: 2022-02-28 :: Vox Akuma :: Reading your incredible fanfiction【#Kinfiction】
>12553 :: 2022-02-28 :: Sonny Brisko :: 【INTRO 2.0/ZATSU】how are you fine thank you
>11640 :: 2022-02-27 :: Luca Kaneshiro :: 【LITTLE NIGHTMARES】MAFIA BOSS BECOMES LITTLE AND GOES THROUGH NIGHTMA
>11624 :: 2022-02-08 :: Vox Akuma :: HORROR HUSBANDOS (Feat. IKE!)【BLANK DREAM】
>11364 :: 2022-02-13 :: Ike Eveland :: 【LITTLE NIGHTMARES】So who's the little one?
>11357 :: 2022-02-28 :: Alban Knox :: 【DEBUT 2.0 ZATSU STREAM】LET'S GET ACQUAINTED!
>11166 :: 2022-02-24 :: Vox Akuma :: RAY TWAIN SAYS LOL【THE CROOKED MAN】
>11152 :: 2022-02-20 :: Luca Kaneshiro :: 【MAFIA AFTER PARTY】LET'S TALK AND EAT CHEDDAR CHEESE PRINGLES
>11012 :: 2022-02-20 :: Enna Alouette :: FAN CONCERT Higurashi no naku koro ni・ひぐらしのなく頃に
>10954 :: 2022-02-21 :: Vox Akuma :: 【RING FIT ADVENTURE】KEEP UP THE MOMENTUM
>10615 :: 2022-02-14 :: Vox Akuma :: Valentine's Day With Vox
>10426 :: 2022-02-01 :: Vox Akuma :: MY PRETTIES【THE WITCH'S HOUSE MV】
>10402 :: 2022-02-05 :: Vox Akuma :: A Date With Vox
>10321 :: 2022-02-11 :: Mysta Rias :: but my chat CONTROLS the world...【Minecraft】
>10271 :: 2022-02-19 :: Mysta Rias :: F2P GENSHIN PLAYER MYSTA IS BACK AGAIN...【Genshin Impact】
>10220 :: 2022-02-19 :: Vox Akuma :: 【GETTING OVER IT 】i will not finish but i will try
>10023 :: 2022-02-22 :: Mysta Rias :: MYSTA PLAYS APEX LEGENDS AND DIES OVER AND OVER...【Apex Legends】

New Thread >>20237599

Aki is still chugging along happily at 4k.

>>20237707
I know you fags will never listen but can we please chill a little with the early threads? There's no need to make a new one the second we hit page 10

>>20224782
Isn't that the same date Mori is set for some big announcement?

>>20237820
a lot of anons get really anxious about page 10 when it's not even that fast

>>20237843
Trauma from all the drama

>>20224782
hal gold
gaku silver

>>20237332
It’s not even just that they got late to knowing what happened. It’s that they only cared to learn 20% of the story which got more and more muddled as it traversed into outside communities.

While >we knew of mafumafu, her insane gfe-like position in the company, korekore streaming it to over 180k people and her following up later with what people thought was a suicide call, people on the west literally only cared to learn of
>Guy in the picture
>LUL PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY HAD A SHOT WITH ANIME GIRL
>She can do what she wants

It was so bad to witness and it just got worse the more you checked around other areas. And even when she got terminated, they still chose to ignore 90% of the statement and STILL insisted it was because of her involvement with a guy. Fuck people man

*reads 3.5 yen of SCs with monetization left on in your path*

>>20238256
5 hour asakoyo let's gooooooo

>>20238256
*3.5 million forgive me I'm retarded

>>20238256
>3.5 yen
WOW! THAT CAN BUY HER SOME
>check forex
BEAN SPROUTS?

>>20238499
1 (one) soggy beansprout

>>20238256
when a new holo gen comes out where are they pulling their new audience from? How the fuck do they somehow start with so many fans, who are these people?

What % is their old audience that come along to their new persona? What % are just hakooshi who will politely support any holo regardless of who they are?

Then where the fuck do the vast majority people remaining come from? Do they steal from previous gens? Are they people new to watching vtubers? Are they taking Nijisanji or Niconama viewers? How do they just have an audience immediately when no-one knows who they are or why they should care about them? How the fuck are people gachikoi for a streamer they had never heard of a week ago?

>>20237590
Let's see if they are going to stick this time or leave again after a while like the virtue signalling tourist they are.

>>20238620
There is a huge source of dormant viewers from semi-retired members like Ayame, Shion, Marine.

>>20238620
its ok anon ill put you to sleep now

>>20238620
Just from anecdotal experience but when gen 6 got monetized I saw a lot of superchats saying they were the first vtuber they'd watched, especially with Chloe

>>20238707
hmm that's a good point, Ayame's fans probably have a lot of time to kill between streams

>>20238620
usually is a combination of tourists attracted by big debuts, box watchers and old holos audiences that tend to get shaved a little off the top so it's not that noticeable
also, a lot of hakooshis tend to stop being that when they find "the one", like love at first sight, i know that's how happened for me at least

>>20238793
Nakirigumi are shockingly loyal to their oshi who doesn't give two shits about them, I have never seen an Ayame pfp give another girl money

>>20238921
on the other hand, i tend to find ichimin on a lot of other girls supas

>>20238793
I bet Laplus caught a huge chunk of Shion's audience since they emit the same energy and did the first collab together.

>>20238255
The real problem is that there were only two non-JP crowds that sorta understood the situation: Redditors who knew enough to know they knew nothing, but acknowledged that an NDA breach is a big fucking deal, and people /here/ who were trying to wrestle with 50 different rrats passed through multilingual chain translation grapevines. So if you were thinking of correcting the record, so to speak, you'd have to either be severely uninformed or knee deep in the contradictory rumormill.

Although yeah, the whole
>>they still chose to ignore 90% of the statement and STILL insisted it was because of her involvement with a guy
is annoying as fuck because her not being in a relationship was one of two things confirmed (the other being that Rushia definitely breached her NDA; the only argument is how much).

>>20228061
>intelligent people stop coming here
>intelligent
lol
lmao even

NA primetime about to start, not sure if anyone noteworthy is starting a stream at the top of the hour but here's where things currently stand beforehand
Also one of the few times I've been able to be on /#/ during these earlier hours, people weren't lying when they said the period of time before NA primetime has much better quality

>>20239612
Why would we lie when you could notice it by yourself by just doing your archive reps?

>>20239612
jst early morning tends to pretty nice, and both primetimes aren't that bad, it's usually past jst noon and a little after jst midnight when it gets real bad

>>20239612
Here's Holo schedule for NA primetime.

>>20239675
I'll admit it's just laziness. If something important enough happens during these hours I just assume it will still be mentioned or discussed by the time I'm /here/

I seriously hope all the gachis have another load prepared for the actual BD stream, you are not supposed to release it so early on a morning news stream.

>>20239918
Slow day it seems. The usual debuffed Kronii, Haachama Minecraft, superchat reading stream. Bae's stream is unique but I'm not expecting any outstanding performance. Mumei's is personally interesting to me since she's streaming at 9pm EST rather than 10pm, and I've had a feeling that she might perform better with that one hour shift even if it brings her closer to Gura's timeslot