/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>20089090
Over saturation of the market and a decline in the overall quality of the talents. Council sucks.

It's better than ever.
Take the groompill.

>>20089149
Sorry, you can't criticize the Council anymore due to the NijiEN leak, please delete your post

>>20089090
You being here. Jump off a fifth floor and vtubing will magically rise from the ashes into an everlasting golden age

Nobody is doing anything new. Everybody is just streaming the same games or streaming to farm superchats or memberships. The fanbase is also to blame. I have never seen a fanbase so willing to watch the same content over and over again. And a fan base that enjoys being insulted so much

>>20089302
Why the fifth?

>>20089090
It's becoming mainstream so people are getting turned off.
It's also no different from watching e-thots

>>20089348
>And a fan base that enjoys being insulted so much
This shit is honestly the weirdest. You have some VTubers outright insulting their audience and they'd just go "haha yeah I guess so"

Everyone is being sent back to the office.

Life is healing, everything is going back to how it was before vtubers and... nvm this board still exists

>hololive using brigade tactics to defend their monopoly
>people so dumb they fall for it
>hololive talents make multiple millions per year, everyone else makes shit
>small companies dry up
>hololive talents are so wealthy they don't stream anymore
>entire industry suffers
>nothing new, everyone growing bored

>>20089360
To make sure it works.

>>20089090
vtubers are one trick pony

>>20089449
Most offices are letting people work from home nowadays.

>>20089566
Not mine.

>>20089433
The fans that act like that ruin it for everyone else. Walking doormats that like to eat shit

>>20089149
dont forget to insult the unforgiveable whores in JP
scapegoating council just excuses their degeneracy

>>20089501
This. Hololive EN blew the fuck up and shit was great and now? Bitches barely fucking stream there's been so many deadhours that people have either stopped watching or switched to nijisanji or vshojo.

>>20089090
Blame HoloMyth for being garbage and killing all the Vtuber hype.

>>20089090
for every 1 good vtuber you have 100 vtweeters/whitetrannies/bugmen so it's bound to get stale
>>20090221
>bugman posts a bugman
imagine being this new and retarded.

>>20090156
Why don't their numbers, taking CCVID into account, drop then?

>>20089090
People are getting bored. Only so many times you can watch someone play FOTM with the only difference being the fake personality doing the commentary.

I want to talk with some femanons,don't care if you're a manehara Axiom#9878

>>20089090

Threads like these really show the bubble Holo fans live in. Niji is still on the incline and VShojo dominates Twitch

>Holol fires their two biggest streamers in less than a year
>indies going menhera due to them being normies
>no one cares about Nijisanji
>VShojo keeps winning

>>20089090
covids over and things don't last forever

>>20089433
Most of the time these 'insults' turn out to be totally lighthearted teasing. If viewers weren't so insecure it wouldn't bother them and if anything they'd appreciate the attention.

>>20089566
Mine went from full remote working with no change in productivity to requiring all members of staff to commute in at least 3 days a week again

Mori is one of the few big chuubas that's not declining, and yet a lot of antis here want to make her graduate. Then people complain about declining numbers.

It's not declining, it's just no longer in a bubble
Doomposting about it is retarded

>>20091085
The only thing inclining about Niji is their EN male branch

>>20089090
I really hope it is so faggots stop talking about this for of entertainment (and its "culture"), like it ever had any value.

>>20091640
this form*

I hope so. Too many sluts want to leech of vtubing now

>>20089662
>>20091447
I suggest you both leave because that's fucking stupid.

>>20091732
it's not about productivity, it's about control.

>>20090669
Maybe look at VOD views instead of being a CCVfag.
When they stream less, it's a rare event so more will tune in live, but the overall audience is still smaller.

>>20091706
>now
what did he mean by this

>>20092678
He means that it wasn't so apparent that whores were leeching off of vtubing before, but now it's more easy to spot these whores that crossdress as maidens via Vtubing.

>>20090221
This.
The disappointment was such I actually watched vshojo and nijisanji

>>20093183
>He means that it wasn't so apparent that whores were leeching off of vtubing before
maybe if you were blind and deaf
yeah, she doesnt act pure but that doesn't make her whoring out any better

>>20089090
I'm still having fun and discovering new girls and even guys to check out. Did you make the mistake of just watching one group and once you experienced burnout you equated that to everything being shit?

>>20089090
>What could be causing this?
Vtubing had massive unsustainable growth in the boom, attracting a lot of bandwagoning fags. Now the boom is over vtubing will contract as the bandwagoners gradually drift away. Eventually they will all have gone gone and then we will either see a slower but more sustainable growth, or stagnation.

>>20089090
It was a fad which blew up because everyone was stuck indoors, now that fad is blowing over and everyone is going outside again.

>>20089090
>tl;dr No, but it'll shave off the hangers-on and "Non-Dedicated."

We've hit a saturation point, there are so many Indie VTubers, Corporate VTubers, VTuber Companies, VTuber Products, VTuber Side Industries, and so on that there will eventually be "the plateau."
Am I say Vtubing is going to die next week? No. The money will slow down and "the next thing" will eventually pop up and the people who hopped on the gravy train will hop to that one. The market will equalize itself and there will still be an industry, if smaller, at the end of it.

Same thing happened with the Minecraft Boom, the Streaming Booms, Youtube Family Channel stuff, etc etc. Vtubing is fairly unique as it exploded SO quickly and everyone hopped on it. Side industries popped up, those weird Vtuber companies popped up, and the clout chasers emerged.
Personally, I think there will be a time when "The Traditional" Gamer / Idol Vtuber won't be feasible anymore. At that point we'll see solo gimmicks (like we're seeing already in the Indie EN Sphere) like "Book Vtuber" or "Cooking Vtuber" or "Pure Skit VTuber." Those that can diversify will survive, those who cannot will drop off in time. At that point we'll probably see more "Crunchy-Hime" or whatever that Crunchyroll VTuber was, a lot of money, a lot of effort, and a structured marketing plan to back it up.

Your Oshi isn't going anywhere, unless they don't care or can't diversify themselves. Major Corps. aren't going anywhere unless someone makes a BIG OOPSIE or gets fingers cut off by the Yakuza. Indie market will continue, bar something else massive hits and everyone jumps on that.

>>20095214
>cooking vtuber
people bring this one up a lot, but i never understood why someone would ever become a vtuber whose main content is cooking. cooking would rely on handcams so much that you might as well toss out the whole vtuber thing, because cooking doesn't rely on the vtuber model at all. the person could stream their hands and reach a wider audience that way. if anything, the vtuber model would be the gimmick, not the cooking. same deal with gunpla and other stuff like it.

I think the fun is only just starting, because of how little the bandwagonners utilise the ability of the vtuber to interact with drawn assets and other vtubers. Right now its still mostly "Im a streamer, but I have a fancy avatar".
There is a lot of VRChat-like untapped potentilal yet.

>>20095214
>"The Traditional" Gamer / Idol Vtuber won't be feasible anymore.
What makes you think that? So far this has been the most successful model for female chuubas by a very wide margin.

>>20089249
I know this is a joke, but i really hate the fact that stupid leak happened because I can't talk about council's failure without being called a nijifag or whatever the fuck. nothing anybody said in that stupid text chain was untrue and the fact that people are so butthurt about it makes me wanna puke.

>>20095848
does nobody on this god damn planet watch onigiri? her streams are excellent.

>>20096327
Fulgur could make holobronies on /vt/ like Mori: all he'd need to do is type a single sentence

>>20089090
Why do you care if your hobby is popular or not? Grow a personality, lad.

>>20096412
We only watch Hololive

>>20096419
That is absolutely true and I hate that you're right. I cant believe the nijihomos pissed off holobronies so much that they would defend Sana of all people. Jesus fucking christ.

>>20096327
>council's failure
According to who? In the eyes of the people that matter they're a success based on the numbers. If you were expecting a repeat of Myth you're retarded.

>>20096674
Everyone was expecting myth's success to be repeated by council, including holo themselves. If they didn't they wouldnt have fired that stupid chuuni omega and replaced him, then start specifically looking for males to hire for HoloEN . Don't be delusional.

>>20095214
The thing about these internet fads is they never really saturate because they're fueled by boomer ignorance about how technology works and a unhealthy dose of hopium. Look at all the good money that's been thrown after bad in esports. You can't really predict when it's going to saturate because every time you say that it turns out there's a 74-year-old investor who just heard about the Ironmouse subathon and wants in on this new thing the kids love. It doesn't follow normal market logic, sort of like how Tesla stock is worth more than the next several automakers combined despite producing <1% the number of cars they do. It seems like only a major recession is going to force a correction and honestly that might not even do it because it means more people stuck at home staring at anime girls.

>>20096066
That was the only idiotic part of the post, which otherwise makes sense.

I have hobbies that don’t involve weeb shit. I would not mind anime being made about them, same way people liked seeing an anime about cute girls working out at the gym.

But for vtubing? Being into the vtuber culture IS a hobby in itself. I enjoy collecting coins and baking, but I am more than fine with no weebishness touching those things.

If Im watching an anime avatar on screen, I’d better be feeling like a weeb. Games and idol references and shit? That adds to the weebness. Being basically just some normie who happens to have an avatar? Fuck that, if I want to watch a video about baking bread, I’ll just watch a real life guy.

>>20096766
Sounds like you're the delusional one here. They debuted them long after the boom and the girls are making them more.

>>20095214
> At that point we'll see solo gimmicks (like we're seeing already in the Indie EN Sphere)

So, ghettoization. Got it. I know you racist fucks are going to go wild over that word, but whatever.

I unironically refuse to watch anyone who doesn’t collaborate extensively with other vtubers. It’s actually a reason I don’t watch indies unless they’re big.

I don’t have an oshi. I just have girls I’m more focused on that week. I’m basically the weeb equivalent of a capeshit fag, cause I don’t give much of a shit about any one individual so much as the entire “universe” in which they exist and collaborate and interact.

I watch vtubers for the vibes, and a single avatar doing a solo channel is so fucking sad and pathetic to me that I wouldn’t be able to watch it even if I did like it

>>20097210
Absolutely agreed. I think a lot of us predicted the decline of the culture when holoEN was first announced, but then Myth was actually pretty pretty good in that respect. The true decline has been driven by the people that jumped onboard after seeing the success of Myth. The question now is, can vtubing survive without the culture? And if it does, will I even care at that point?

>>20096636
>>20096327
I still shit on Council. Fuck them. I don't give a shit about what any nipple says about anything or how people take it, Council are bums.

>>20089501
>>hololive using brigade tactics to defend their monopoly
Since when was being the third biggest vtubing company mean that there is a monopoly? The only thing Hololive wins is total SCs, total viewership, and highest average viewers.

>>20097388
>vibes
please at least try to be coherent.

>>20097601
It can, it’ll just go through a bit of contraction maybe. There’s a saying in the tech world, which is that no tech boom happens just once. Dot com boom, VR boom of the 90’s, etc. If it’s legit, it’ll come back

Though with the direction things are going, I wouldn’t be surprised if a “slump” is much smaller than previous examples and the whole thing isn’t revived by, I don’t know, VR or something…for the viewers too, as well as the idols.

>>20093397
what do you guys say, should I give this guy a (you)?

>>20098430
I’m being coherent about being incoherent.

I don’t watch 2views, I don’t watch indie anime, when I decide if I want to get into a new show during a season, I figure out if it’s good by how much porn of it there is.

I’m trying to tell you all that I don’t care about substance if the packaging isn’t slick. I won’t care about packaging either if there is no substance, but I care the most about the feeling of shiny, pretty idol girls first. That’s why I watch way less Nijisanji and why I’m watching way less Council as well.

>>20097792
Only thing hololive wins in is having the worst of the worst fanbase trying to control their oshi’s life and making sure they don’t have bf or they’re basically done for. Not to mention harassing anything not holo

>>20091732
the choice you're implying is a privilege that many, me included, saddly don't have.

>>20098704
>or they’re basically done for.
Except for the hololive members that have boyfriends or are married. Do you get your hottakes from vtweeters or someshit?

>>20098750
I wish you good luck anon, hopefully things get better for you eventually.

>>20097351
Learn english, ESL. Do reading comprehension reps, then try and argue with me, mkay?

I def expected council to put out as much content as myth did.
Myth where truly one a kind.

>>20096636
Even stranger still, the stuff the robot guy said where sentiments shared by many, he didn't say council was a failure, just that they didn't do as well as cover probably hoped.
Are they succesful? Of course they are, they're a success by any metric, but they're nowhere near myth's level of content and creativity.

>>20096636
One of the big issues with /vt/ is the retarded tribalism. As long as it gets free (You)s people will continue to blow things out of proportion or talk about irrelevant shit. Having brand loyality in general is retarded whether that be vtuber companies or otherwise.

>>20098572
(You) already did, thanks

Myth has way better character designs and their personalities are also more interesting. It's not a big mystery.

>>20089090
Not the the decline, the shit EN vtubers, vstreamers and vtweeters are being weeded out, thankfully.

>>20091978
That's why I left my last job. Wanted everyone to come in full time again. I will never go back to 5 days a week again.

>>20089090
Just look what they've done to Kizuna

>>20096327
degen clip watcher here, aside from Kronii and Sana what’s so wrong with council. I mean Fauna and Mumei seem like vanilla ice cream, but at least they’re cute. Bae always seems motivated and entertaining too

>>20089090
Twitch western vtubing is thriving. YouTube JP idol-style vtubing is maturing.

It's just a method of producing content - it will live or die on the creativity of the talents, no amount of marketing of "generations" can fix that if you're not bringing novelty or bringing in a new audience from outside existing vtuber spheres, there isn't an infinite audience.

>>20102058
Fauna and Mumei have been massive flakes at times too, Fauna has knocked it off and always seems around and Mumei seems like she's getting better. Bae is the exception, the only thing wrong with her is listening to the chuuni retard manager and tries doing a kayfabe where she is out of her element. It is 90% Kronii and Sana.

>>20096327
>nothing anybody said in that stupid text chain was untrue
how fucking dumb are you if you think they earn as much as successful nijijp/holojp?

>>20102228
Market expansion lies in inviting other hobbies into the mix. This doesn't mean normalfags, although it's the easiest solution there is. This could mean inviting fighting game communities or other niche hobbies like tabletop games or wargames, etc etc etc.

>>20102058
My guess is that none of them were a big hit like Gura and Mori.

>>20089090