/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>19821335
it's not the holos it's the fans who would harass them and call them whores for interacting with real life males

>>19821335
me

>>19821335
Rushia

>>19821335
Flare

>>19821403
Flare is one of the "cool" characters, the ones afraid of males are the "cute" ones.

>>19821372
Based fans.

>>19821480
Cringe fans. Rushia proved it's all a load of bullshit.

>>19821335
lamy

gfe chuubas

>>19821335
lamy, that fucking bitch

the stupid blue elf, she's another manipulative bitch like Rushia

>>19821372
Not collabing with males because they're afraid their paypigs will leave. Not Based

What does NG mean?

>>19821372
>>19821509
>>19822979
>>19823079
You would only understand if you were to ever seriously fall in love with one of them. It's painful to see them talk to and laugh with a man that's not you, since you will never be as close to her as them. She won't ever smile for you or laugh at your stupid jokes or spend time with you one-on-one. Only an unempathetic cunt wouldn't understand why gachikoi don't want to see them collab with males. The majority of Western women aren't capable of thinking about anyone's feelings other than their own, but the JP Holos understand and care about their fans. That's why the majority of them avoid it, especially the ones who've cultivated gachikoi.

>>19821372
They wish I'd stick around and call them whores for interacting with men. I'd just leave and never come back.

>>19823103
no good

>>19823142
>Cares about their fans
>Pulls suckers in by making them think they have a chance.
Which is it?

>>19821335
miko

>>19823142
Even in Japan they make fun of gachikois

>>19823253
Au contraire, they make fun of cucks.

>>19823253
No, EOP. Japanese normalfags make fun of all otaku, and that includes idol otaku.

>>19823142
Anon, that's mental illness, seek help, please. You will thank me in the long run.

>>19821335
It's clear Iofi
Fuck ID branch

>>19821479
Anon, you're out of the loop, why did you think she changed her model?

Niggers really start talking about shit without even a clip link huh

>>19823103
No go

>>19821479
Flate wants to be seen as cute. It's not really working but she tries.

>>19823142
Actually kill yourself anon, like no joke, actually anhero. That is the most fucking sad and pathetic thing I have ever read in my entire life, and I honestly have no advice but for you to just genuinely kill yourself. Usually I try to give some type of life advice, but literally all I can say is snap back to reality or neck yourself. Like I don't understand how you can become so attatched to someone you've literally never met. I get covid has been a hard time to meet people and shit, but like get a job, improve yourself as a person, be a better person to make yourself more likable, or just actually kill yourself. Those are the only two options of advice I can give you if you ever want the pain to stop, be a better person, or die.

>>19823142
Based schizochama

>>19823910
why is it personally offensive to you that he is in love with someone he’ll never meet? why come here if it is?

>>19823253
you don't even know japanese

Even Laplus said it would sting if she saw her oshi with a man

>>19821372
>call them whores for interacting with real life males
pretty sure they are fine with rl males entertainers it's those virtual faggots that they don't want to collab with

>>19823142
Beyond pathetic

>>19824095
Because she's a bitch, anon. Being reminded of that makes her upset. She knows no one will ever feel about her the way that anon feels about his oshi and that makes her upset.

>>19823563
>>19823910
>>19824415
Are you tourists learning about what gachikoi means for the first time? What the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you come here? You need to go the fuck back.

>>19823239
Why? She interacted with males on Twitter before.

>>19824636
cope /vt/ is made for touristchads like us

>>19824676
what year?

>>19824636
This is the eternal argument between Niji and Holo fans. Nijis viewers think the segregation between genders is disgusting, while Holo fans know that doing it makes holos way more popular than nijis. This is not the first time this argument happens and it won't be the last time

>>19821335
>becuase
Great job, clipnigger

>>19821372
>it's the fans who would harass them and call them whores for interacting with real life males
pretty based, ngl.

>>19824636
Not everyone who enjoys this hobby is a parasocial freak like you.

>>19824676
>>19824746
That was over 3 years ago. She barely interacted with them and collabed only like once or twice with Maimoto. She hasn't collabed with any guys since. I know it's shocking but I don't think this faggot watches miko.

>>19824798
It's just a typo, man. You never made a typo in you life?

>>19823910
The cultural revolution is never happening and you'll never pass.

>>19824676
literally every single one collabed with males in past.OP is talking about present

>>19824694
The only thing that's made for you is the serrated edge of a dull knife.

>>19823910
you seems to be more schizo and mentally ill than him

>>19823910
Fuck off. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a Gachikoi, It is psychologically healthier than having a relationship with a western wh*te "woman".

I blame Miko for beginning all this shit, pandering to mentally deranged idolfags.
Now the girls are treated like objects fans own instead of human beings

>>19821479
There's Lack family Collab soon and guess what? No Flare

It's a business model where people donate money to the opposite sex in much larger quantities than to the same sex. Both sexes can profit but some people are habitual boat-rockers.

>>19824932
Why wouldn't she interact with them in the present?

>>19824636
I came here to say you have a mental illness, if you feel offended by it then it just means that part of what i said it's true. Otherwise, you would ignore it and move on.
In the first place, that kind of mentality that "every time a girl talks with a man then they are gonna fuck" is pretty fucked up. No wonder you don't have a girlfriend if that's the baggage you bring with you. Nobody likes a schizo jealous idiot.

>>19825107
why not?

>>19825107
yagoo turned them into lesbians

>>19823142
>She has to care about you
>You can't care about her own happiness
You have to admit this is just egoism, not love.

>>19825128
he clearly doesn't even have friends and is on the path of becoming an incel, let's hope something good happens in his life and saves him from that dreary fate

>>19821479
Flare is one of 3 JP holos that haven't been on screen with a male as their Hololive character.

>>19825094
>fans fall in love with an idol
>These fans say they own her!
Congrats, no one has ever posted anything more obvious that they're a woman than you just did. Show your malformed lopsided tits or get the fuck out you sniveling cunt. I hoped you're brutally raped.

>>19825251
She can care about her own happiness in her private life, not on stream.

>>19823142
just buy an onahole, that way you can still keep using it to masturbate yourself yet you won't be stomping over other person's happiness anymore

>>19825319
Who are the other two?

>>19825094
idolchads can't stop winning
even la+ is an idolchad so cope normalfag

>>19825341
>love
>owning
What a way to reveal your complete ignorance about human interactions, touch some grass anon and try to make irl friends for a change

Maybe you twitterfags could respond to what he said instead of pretending to be outraged.

>>19825107
More paypig money

>>19825348
To get a discord notif, get raided and then blaming her for that? Just admit it, that type of behavior is the same abusers have. You sure saw that kind of situation thousands times

>>19825128

>>19825447
I'm not twitterfag I came from facebook to mock all of you incels

>>19821335
Now replying to OP, the one who is well known for doing this is Kanata

Is this thread just nijifags replying to each other's messages?

>>19825593
But she's Coco's sidekick.

>>19825517
if you're talking about miko she doesn't get that much superchats and doesn't have gachikois
I think she is just kinda serious about being an idol

>>19825107
Chasing money. That's the only reason.
Any other argument doesn't apply. They saw success and chased it.
It took the soul out of Hololive when the rest jumped on board with that shit and I've still got that sour taste in my mouth when watching them.

Would Marine interact with males if she was given the opportunity?

>>19825393
Chloe and Iroha

>>19825684
you don't even watch hololive

>>19825668
Coco never had a problem with men until gachikois complained, now that she is free of companies collabs with men without any problem

Imagine if the Holostars EN get into the Hololive Discord and try messaging one of the JP girls for a collab? That would be awkward as fuck.

>>19823910
>Like I don't understand how you can become so attatched to someone you've literally never met

Already heard of Instagram? Social Media in overall? M&F maybe?
You just proved to be way worse than him.

>>19823142
> he LITERALLY fell in love with a virtual entertainer that doesn't even know he exists

>>19824793
There's not a single piece of evidence that unicorn pandering contributed anything to their success, but on the contrary chuubas like friend are incredibly successful despite it. It's time to let go of the delusion that you're important anon. Some chuubas are just nice enough to not do these collabs but it's more likely that it wouldn't affect their viewership or fanbase in the slightest.

>>19825776
why would they even send massage to jp while en and id exist?

>>19825128
Not once did I ever say that "every time a girl talks with a man then they are gonna fuck". That's ridiculous. What I'm saying is that why the fuck would I want to watch a woman I've fallen in love with interact with men in a way that I don't get to interact with her?

Again, I know it's difficult for you to understand because your an unempathetic western roastie that has no concept of compassion or kindness, but let me make it clear: I don't give a fuck what you think because I'm not interested in the opinions of whores.

You probably don't even know your own bodycount. In the unlikely scenario that you ever do get a boyfriend, every time he looks down at your gaping, stretched out cunt, he'll be reminded that you've been with other men. He'll eventually grow to resent you for it but will never admit to that being the reason. He will never fall in love with you in any meaningful way because it's impossible to fall in love with a slut.

>>19825251
non-familial love with attachment is always like that, friend.
It's unreasonable to expect everyone to be a buddhist monk, and I firmly believe you aren't one either.

>>19825684
true, not all of them are like that though, specially among the first two gens
Either way nowadays the company's direction is clearly set in that direction which is sad

>>19825251
>You don't get it, incel. You have to be a cuck or you're a misogynist.
Nothing is stopping her from finding happiness after she retires from being an idol.

>>19823142
based

>>19825847
I kneel

>>19825847
cuck mentality turned your brain into mush, reading you is so sad

>>19825847
You could've posted nothing and save yourself the embarrassment of proving my point.
Now excuse me while i go take a shit.

don't let nijiniggers fool you idolchads their nijiwhores will never be popular as our idols

>>19825442
That's not what I said. I was pointing out how YOU were claiming that loving someone was equivalent to claiming ownership, you idiot bitch.

>>19825840
Because they don't understand their boundaries and will think the JP girls will be as open for collabs as the EN and ID girls.

>>19825840
The same way holostars JP can do the same with EN and ID anonchama

>>19825799
>virtual
You believe that Kizuna AI is actually an artificial intelligence? You realize their are real women who are using these avatars, right?

>>19823142
Based.

>>19825847
based nijifags seething honestly why nijifags even come here this isn't about them

>>19825128
>>19823910

You actually appear worse off to me than he.
Your post reads ridiculous.
How or why should I take you seriously if you start your post off with 'unironically kill yourself'
You sound like a salty 12 year old playing call of duty, who pollutes the voicechat with his cracking voice.

Thanks for the laugh I guess. Remember, you need to be 18 or older to post here.

>>19823910
Absolute cringe

>>19826010
>while I go take a shit.
You mean while you go to the bathroom to cry because I nailed it.

>>19825754
I do, and I've sadly seen them change quite considerably.
I don't hate them, I'm just disappointed they ditched friendships and business relationships to chase money.
Hololive went from this outwardly friendly and interactive group to completely insular in the space of a year, just to pander to dumb idol delusions where it was previously taken as a joke and mocked.
I say idol loosely, actual idols interact with the opposite sex all the time, Hololive certainly aren't that.
They pander to being internet girlfriends now, the idol stuff is a guise at best, a legacy held over that just happens to aid their goals in hooking in gachis.
I don't hate them, but I switch off as soon as that cringey stuff begins. It saddens me because absolutely none of them needed to do it, they are all funny and charismatic in their own right, very entertaining, but money is money so there you go.
I still wish Cover would get off their fucking ass and try move away from superchats and more in to merch. Fuck the Susancut.

>>19823910
>Get a job
Had a job for 10 years and i recently got promoted.
Now what?

>>19826024
Your forgot doing your reading reps then.
I never once used the word love.
I wrote mentally deranged idolfans treat their idols as objects they own instead of human beings.

>>19826173
God you nijibeggars are pathetic

>>19825904
Honestly the only thing I believe is in freedom, girls can choose to not collab with men and this is fine, but the ones who don't have a problem or want don't deserve to be treated like whores if they are just interacting with someone else like a normal human. The "you have to sacrifice yourself for me or I'll get mad at you" is just plain egoism and nothing more

>>19826173
yeah didn't read but judging by that fucking long texts you reeks of nijiniggers vibes

>>19825847
>all these meltdowns because based anon doesn't care for bitches being bitches
You love to see it.

>>19826214
>>19826240
Okay /v/irgins. Go back to your cancerous shithole already.

>>19825774
That's my point, Coco inspires Kanata so why would she have a problem collabing with men?

>>19826204
>your forgot doing
It only seems like one of us is the uneducated one here, slut muffin.

>>19825928
Read >>19826234
I reply to your question too, they have the right of choosing their own idol path, that's all.

>>19826277
Shouldn't you be on your back right about now? What are you doing here?

>>19826234
Well there is no issue if the streamer outright states she disavowes parasocial power dynamics and how they shouldn't expect her to 'stay pure' for the fans. Juniper is a shining example for that.
I don't condone exploitative business practices like Rushia employed.
That's the other side of the stream.
It always takes two to tango, the audience AND the performer.

>>19826347
You never even heard about Hololive until this board was created. Who are you trying to kid?
I knew Roboco before she even had a name.

>>19826277
our board and our thread get outta here now if you don't want btfo in ass

>>19826288
Kanata is into the depths of the idol culture, she is unironically an unicorn herself who cried because her favourite idol got married. Is not surprising she applies her own standards in her audience

>>19825557
Right, this shit is all about owning the incels and has nothing to do with the situation and why they don't collab with males. You have stereotyped perceptions of people and don't listen to what they have to say.

>>19826277
>he has /v/ living rent free
That explains a few things.

>>19826412
You couldn't beat your own ass if I handed you the bat.
>>19826434
This entire board is infested with you faggots, it's hard not get disgusted by your stink.

>>19826173
Nice schizopost.

>>19826401
This, thanks for understanding my point anon

>>19826410
why lie on internet?

>>19826295
this is not a war you have to win little boy, I made a typo and I own it, stop malding for petty stuff and at least let yourself have some fun while being here

>>19826465
now type all that again without bleeding from anal

>>19826465
That stink you're smelling is yourself, retard. While i'm at it, i'll drop an inconvenient truth to you.
You stop being sanitary the moment you step out of the shower. If you don't like smells, then life the rest of your life in soap water.

>>19826588
I bet you laughed after typing that post. That's sad.

>>19826465
Are you okay? You're having a little melty welty and we're concerned.

>>19821335
Noel openly admitted she won't collab with male.

>>19826647
Noel is shit anyway. All girls school types always are.

>>19826465
>>19826588
Go find a room already you two

>>19826622
>That's the best he can come up with
lol

>>19826716
Thought as much. Thanks for admitting it, even though you tried not to.

>>19826173
>I still wish Cover would get off their fucking ass and try move away from superchats and more in to merch.
But why would they cut one of their revenue system, instead having both like now? + You seething about pandering, but those that pander the most are also selling most merch. Changing way to get money would change nothing in this case.

>>19826743
Your concession is accepted. You can go hit the showers now. We don't need you stinking up the thread.

>>19826647
Where?

>>19826467
But there's also implicit consent. If a streamer does not explicitly state she doesn't mind collabing with males, while doing things which would obviously be considered gfe, and then suddenly collabs with males, then butthurt from gachikoi can be expected and is understandable to a degree. This does only apply for vtubers or personalities which advertise themselves as 'idols' or 'girlfriends'
The nerdiest comparison I can think of is a severe breaking of character in a RPG or a larp. Both audience and streamer are basically playing roles in a stageplay. It's kind of a ritualistic experience when you put it that way. This isn't as farfetched as it may sound. Most hololivers, for example, put on a unique greeting and give their fans a special name.

>>19826173
No one cares about your xenophobic culture war.

>>19821335
Thankfully most of them, I wouldn't want to see that shit

>>19826882
The fuck are you talking about?

I can't tell whether the anons in this thread are schizos about to have the best hatesex ever or just Discord kids trying to be featured on these /vt/ screenshots

>>19826841
I'm gonna rape your stinky ass on the shower and you'll like it

>>19826295
Nice dodge idolfag. You almost got exposed for being wrong and illiterate but thankfully no one is going to notice now.

>>19826410
Are you seriously trying to out oldfag me? Do you think that strengthens your shit argument? You're wrong anyways. I literally started watching vtubers a couple months after Kizuna AI debuted, I was watching the four heavenly kings before your EOP ass even knew what vtubers were, you stupid bitch.

Imagine watching coed collabs where they talk about cocks and sex and flirty shit all day and they hang out together freely in their Discord channels

I'd sooner quit watching any and all vtubers than endure that

>>19827020
I was watching vtubers before the damn term existed, you stupid fuck. Thanks for putting yourself in your place, though.
Kizuna was always shit and literally did nothing different to any other generic streamers like playing shitty meme Flash games and apps.

>>19827054
nijibros aren't gonna like this post...

>>19821335
Probably a lot or they wouldn't join an all female vTuber idol agency.

>>19824636
>my mental illness is ok because it has a quirky name
you're no better than the children obsessed with minecraft youtubers

>>19827020
Watch out GFEkek, you're internet girlfriend still sucks that cock behind the scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkM1f6BY1mY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXqiWdG3Y0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yrf8mku6II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8F_hWmN0dI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEhMvm8gPvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yeg4XkzrMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpCF21wsDHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqQLrla5pDI
https://youtube.com/watch?v=x4Tnv-sXqy4
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iNb79BqnZC0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zPnpRt6WAOI

>>19823910
I fucking kneel. Holy shit that was amazing to read lmao

>>19826487
Oh, I'm anything but "little", you impassioned cumdump. My giant, stretch-mark laden cock has your name written all over it.

>>19821372
Why is it so hard to believe that some girls just don't care about doing collab with guys? why everything needs to be some fear of backlash situation, they already have a safe space + don't normally talk with guys + don't have a guy that they look up to or feel entertained in the business = might as well never care about it

>>19827245
Some of them, sure, but a lot of the vocal ones are hypocrites who literally did it before.

>>19826588
>You stop being sanitary the moment you step out of the shower
That's what a stinky person would say.

>>19827093
Ah I see. You're a retard that thought the annoying orange threads were literal, huh? He's not actually a vtuber, honey.

>>19827245
Western viewer need that WOKE point.

>>19821335
probably anyone on the top 10 superchat on hololive

>>19827283
Maybe they realized they hate men and became based

>>19827354
Oh, you're actually one of those retards. Makes sense.

>>19827184
hmm why does it feel like you copied these from mikoschizo nijifag? also Miko isn't gfe and she doesn't collab with males for 3 years now

>>19823142
Literally recoiled from reading this

>>19827407
Because she was the prototype that the rest copied from.
She was the one that actively pushed for it.
Via her friendship with Pekora and Gen3 later made it the norm and the rest is history.

>>19824793
>>19825819

Not segregating males and females mostly benefits the male it appears.
Niji males are consistently more successful than their female counterparts. I know, I know correlation != causation, but maybe there is more to it.

>>19827283
>did it before
the past is past anon people make mistakes

>>19827374
> Heterosexual relationships are becoming woke
Horseshoe theory is real!

>>19827494
This logic only makes sense if Hololive and Nijisanji are the only vtuber groups you're aware of.
There are plenty of no-male-collab groups, JP and EN, which are significantly less successful than Niji.

>>19827399
Go ahead then. Tell us who the vtubers you watched were who were active before the term vtuber became a thing. Unless you're talking about that one anon from /jp/ that set up a live2D and masturbated for other anons in like 2016.

>>19827457
glad she became an idolchad

>>19827407
>miko isn't GFE
well someone clearly isn't membered.

>>19827515
Muh I NEED to destroy idol culture, gender segregation cuz i'm an EDUCATED WOKE Westerner. What? The girl themselves don't want that too? Fuck those hypocrite bitch, i need too appeal to the WORLD that i'm watching something MORDERN and PROGRESSIVE.

>>19823142
I WILL FUCK YOUR OSHI AND THIER NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT

>>19827697
nigger if you count members streams literally half of hololive can be gfe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iDGK_zlIPQ
Miko is hilarious. That is all.

>>19825776
>Literal first interaction is asking for a collab
That would be awkward as fuck for literally any two streamers period vtuber or not

what makes you think you can change other people's cultures while you can't even change your own shit cultures?

>>19827236
I'm gonna peg your ass until your mind is completely broken and you won't be able to keep on leaving without having it drilled by me everyday

>>19821397

>>19823142
I always cringed at "muh idol culture" "gachikoi bad" plebbitors until I saw one of you schizos rear your ugly head and whine like you're supposed to be accepted as normal. Hololive panders to you for cash and I'm fine with it but you will never not be mentally ill. Neck yourself!

>>19825928
Which basically means as long as she IS an idol she is not allowed to find her happiness? And that is love how exactly?
This argument is basically an admission. You people want control over these girls, especially their sexuality. No love at all.

>>19827602
Yeah
What I really think is that it's really hard to put yourself out there as a male vtuber, because of the expectations and steorotypes of what a vtuber is which is, at least, in the west, very defined by hololive. It's a meme in the literal sense. But once you have platform it is easy to grow from there, because males are usually better at being entertaining.

My biggest hope for the new english nijigens is to shatter those expectations and break the meme, so other male chuubas in the west also get a shot at flourishing.

From what I've heard they're doing plenty of bfe though, thus just cementing a new stupid meme which kinda kills the potential growth the medium could get.

>>19827719
Yep, and here's the thing: they are not at all interested in creating or patronizing the kind of content they idealize, but are just abstractly upset that the girls might be taking their male fans' feelings into account in their decisions of who to collab with.

>>19826647

>>19823142
based, femoids seething

>>19824365
>>19827922
>>19827966

>>19826195
make a real woman happy, incel

>>19823079
>Not collabing with males because it hampers her job

How is this not Based?

>>19827926
Yeah, i don't like male collab but this one is kinda "far gone".

>>19827947
>I'm a woman. I should be able to have everything I want! If you don't worship me, then your a shitlord chud!

>>19827926
This is the correct take

>>19828117
please take a fucking shower

>>19828073
Providing happiness should under no circumstances be a one way street.
What you should say:
"I hope you find a women who cares for you as much as you care about her."
Relationships should be fair.

>>19827947
Nah. You're just an entitled cunt.

>>19827947
Tldr; Anon discovers what it means to be an idol

>>19828117
incel

>>19828157
>>19828209
>I have no argument
I'll accept your concession.

>>19828199
please go outside and socialize

>>19827744

Am i the only one who don't want male chuuba in the circle cuz the whole CGDCT stuff. Like i don't love them "for real" or anything cuz i've already got a GF but male chuuba is not cute (most of them) and i don't want to constantly encounter them while watching the girl.

> NOOOO SHE'S MY PURE VIRGIN IDOL WAIFU!!! STOP ASKING HER TO COLLABS WITH BETTER MEN WHO ARE BETTER THAN ME!!!

>>19827947
>You people want control over these girls, especially their sexuality. No love at all.
No one is actually controlling them though. They're entirely voluntarily choosing not to do male collabs and raking in enormous amounts of cash doing it. Anyone in Hololive could quit and go indie/join another corpo/take another entertainment job and enjoy success but their choice is to be a virtual idol and all that entails in exchange for 6-7 figures USD annually.

>>19828368
No you're not.
You are actually a sizeable part of hololives audience, you are just less vocal about it than the goslings and more self-aware than the projectors. I'm sure many unicorn-antis would realize they're like you if they were honest with themselves.

anti idol fags btfo again

>>19828247
how delusional can you be?

>>19824095
It's offensive to claim being the victim of your own love when the real victims are the streamers getting harassed and the fans who have to deal with your shit drama every other week.

>>19826872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZz_zdb7ho
I dont know who the fuck she could even collab with in stars that would be entertaining anyway and I say that as a starsfag. I just don't think the girls would mesh well with the boys entertainment-wise on stream

>>19828368
Love Live fans are cancerous. You are shunned even in that general sphere.

>>19828073
>using the i word
Concession accepted

>>19828073
>His mind is dominated with sex
Cringe

>>19827947
this, if you really love a girl, you'll accept anything for the sake of her hapiness

>>19828368
A lot of the fanbase are like you, heck even some of the girl but your kind's voices are kinda small.

>>19828368
This
I fucking hate male vtubers because they're unpopular and nowhere near as cute as the girl. Now if we get a cute male vtuber who isnt bishonen garbage then i'll be fine with that.

>>19828636
that's what narcissists say when they want to gaslight you

>>19828760
>a cute male vtuber who isnt bishonen garbage
How? Can you teach the 2 view?

>>19827947
They willingly sign up for the job and all that goes with it. If they don't want to play by the rules then they can get the fuck out and stop wasting everyones time.

>>19828427
Weasely. The only control they relinquish is to Cover, who officially do not interfere with the talents private lives as they stated.
Anything else you elude to is not explicit so you can basically make this shit up as you go which only further proves that this is about power. So yes. You absolutely want control.

>>19828460
>I'll continue to call you names and insult your intelligence because I'm incapable of forming a coherent argument. Please stop pointing that out.
Drink my lumpy cum, you silly onahole.

jsut imagine "falling in love" for REAL with someone who's never seen you, will never see you, will never go beyond any interaction with you besides reading your IGN in a superchat, and has probably already had, is having or will have a relationship involving hard pounding with another male you also won't ever know about
please seek medical help asap, you're mentally ill beyond belief and you won't get out of it without a psychiatrist and heavy meds
I won't ever be able to empathise with this level of derangement and degeneracy.

>>19828850
I don't know anything about 2 view, but i do know the 2 hou.

>>19828636
I normally don't like to call people by that word, but this is primal example of cuck.

> They willingly sign up for the job and all that goes with it. If they don't want to play by the rules then they can get the fuck out and stop wasting everyones time.

>>19828955
>He cant properly reply to posts
You must be new to this website. Don't worry, I'll help you out.
>>19828864
There, now people will have the necessary context as to why you are crying.

>>19828908
>Why yes, I am a woman that's never known loneliness or ever had any difficulty finding a relationship and am completely oblivious to how anyone could ever end up in a situation that was unfamiliar to my own. How could you tell?

>>19828955
>>19828864
Faggot

>>19828893
seriously, if rushia wasn't enough to prove you're delusional, then i feel sorry for you.
all you want is to control these girls because you have nothing going on in your life

Holy shit this thread. Chill retards

>>19828871
Okay, but despite all this beating around the bush, no one actually controls them. They choose to do it. Ironically, if they were literal whores who sell all three holes to gross old men they'd be woke liberated sex workers, but somehow an anime girl streamer saying "daisuki" and not having a bf is under the sinister control of her gachis.

>>19828864
>They willingly sign up for the job and all that goes with it
No. They sign up for the job. They sign up for what's in their contract. Fuck of with this weasel shit. It's an exchange of money for this love kayfabe + the power to enforce it as real.

>>19829108
No one cares about your retarded culture war.
Rushia was caught breaking the rules and she torpedoed her career in response because she was caught lying.

>>19829128
Ignore this fucker.
UNCHILL RETARDS.
GET ANGRIER
YOU'RE OSHI A SHIT. A SHIT!
SHE BANGS MEN, WOMAN, AND EVEN CHILDREN. PROBABLY DOGS TOO. FUCKING SLUT

>>19821335
One of the smart ones.

>>19829093
maybe go outside and make some friends so you don't feel lonely?

get a job so you can afford dates with your girlfriend? everyone can feel pity or themselves, but it takes courage to get out of your confort zone

Reading some of the replies made me sad lol

>>19829176
They signed up for it. When you sign up for a job you sign up for the duties that you are responsible for and all that is related to those duties. No one signs up to deal with incompetents in the work place, but that doesn't change the fact that you're going to deal with incompitents in the work place.
It's part of the job.

>>19823910
Giga based.
Got the schizos seething.

>>19829093
unironically touch grass

jesus, so many reddit replies
what the fuck happened

>>19829362
>Step outside and everything will magically fix itself!
Concession accepted.

>>19829108
Is it wanting control if you don't want your SO to cheat? I'm not saying the situation is the same as watching vtubers/idols, I'm just genuinely curious what your perspective is. Is it wanting ownership of someone else if you are in a relationship and don't want them to fuck other people? Because you're starting to sound like a deranged and degenerate feminist that would think the above positions are inexcusable.

>>19829414
redditors think that you should be free to act however you want in your job without consequences.

> They signed up for it. When you sign up for a job you sign up for the duties that you are responsible for and all that is related to those duties. > No one signs up to deal with incompetents in the work place, but that doesn't change the fact that you're going to deal with incompitents in the work place.
It's part of the job.

>>19823142
Jesus fuckin' christ, faggot.

>>19829108
You probably don't even know what happened in the Rushia situation. It got portrayed in the West as "her fans attacking her for having a boyfriend", but really it was almost entirely third parties who disapprove of what she/they were doing, fans of Junichi Kato and so on, coming in and shitting on everyone. It was people like yourself who hate loser incels.

>>19829433
she's not your SO tho, that's the point

>>19829416
will it magically fix itself? no. will it help a TON? yes.
hit the gym, go take walks, start running, go to parks, if you're a nerd seek a hobby where you go somewhere, idk tabletop game stores or fucking photography or catching cool rocks whatever the fuck, get some sunlight, vitamin D is important

>>19827604
I'm still waiting, you LARPing cunt.

>>19829500
Is it really that hard to make a higher quality post
>>19829500
Spoke too soon.

>>19829699
I'm confident my hobby is more involved than yours. Now take your lithium and everything will be fine.

>>19829974
Reminder that it's predominantly chinks that spam quoted wojaks here.

God, the newfaggotry in this thread is off the charts, responding to a literal wojak bot.
>>19829711
Die waiting, it's funnier.
>>19830013
>my hobby
lol

>>19830013
i accept your consession

>>19830061
Hanggliding. meeting friends, playing games, hiking and and playing an instrument I wouldn't really consider my most involved hobbies. Or are you a failed normie who unironically thinks he's hot shit because he plays sportsball or learns some martial arts?
Kek. I'd rather be friends if a genuine sperg than with you.

>>19821372
?

>>19830013
>I'm confident my hobby is more involved than yours
>Why yes, I watch every stream from Hololive. All at the same time.
>I use multiple sites to track their every move.
>I miss nothing.
>I understand none of it, but I still do it.
>I'm helping!
>I'm special!
>>19830209
>my hobby
lol

>>19823142
>but the JP Holos understand and care about their fans. That's why the majority of them avoid it, especially the ones who've cultivated gachikoi.
yeah like Rushia right?

>>19825776
I'm not gonna do that when I get in, in fact I'd rather dodge the girls entirely

>>19830271
?

>>19830292
Based. Ignore everyone, play Dwarf Fortress and refuse to use a graphics tileset and tell confused people to read the fucking manual

>>19825840
That's like asking why im watching nip anime girls when real girls are around on a daily basis

>>19830383
Because your brian is bloken

>>19830343
I want to get along with my genmates first and foremost so that we can bring entertaining content to everyone. That's what will matter the most to me.

>>19830412
Yeah exactly faggot, now go back to sperging out over other peoples hobbies.

>>19829175
>no one actually controls them
Fictional but Irrelevant. It still is control, even if they were to give it up on their own terms. Also, you get to make the terms, you change the terms, you enforce them. There is no contract, not even verbal. More importantly, what the idolfag seeks is what is important here. It's control.

>>19830270
Normal people are in awe when I talk about myself, which I don't normally do, because I'm not a retard. When they talk with you they just consider you more boring than them.

Touching grass won't cut it. Please become more interesting than calling out people with a richer imagination and inner life than you for being more troubled than you.
I stand with the hopelessly in love. I'd just wish they'd channel their pent up frustration into something more creative, like writing or art.
The misunderstood back in the day had more class.

>>19830531
shut up retard, being an idolfag is about watching regular people become extraordinary.

>>19829286
Absolutely not true. Your comparison is dogshit.

>>19830459
My hobbies > your hobbies
>>19830580
Touch glass instead.

>>19823142
reddit didn't like this post

>>19827959
>they are not at all interested in creating or patronizing the kind of content they idealize
An otakmori clip of Fubuki talking about this shit got more engagement than almost all Stars content on youtube, but the irony of this is completely lost on them since virtue signaling completely rotted their brains.

>>19830637
Shut in NEETs like you aren't supposed to understand.

>>19830664
Forgot the image

>>19830531
>It still is control, even if they were to give it up on their own terms.
This is called "voluntarily agreeing to do something".

Western vtubers were a mistake.

>>19823142
>post explains why certain types of fans don't like it when their oshi interacts with males
>roastie femoids and twimmigrants seethe for no reason
huh

>>19830645
Dinnae give a shit about hobbies, you're a faggot

>>19825717
after the alternative shitfest, no

>>19830709
This. In the end, no one gives a shit about male vtubers. If you want to watch males, then go on twitch and watch a 0 view streamer.

>>19830664
idol culture rotted your brain

>>19830645
>Meditating
Do it everyday. Can recommend, you'd might stop calling lovesick people incels for having trouble to adapt to a world which changes faster than our evolution can keep up. Maladaptation is just the natural result of it, and falling in love with a virtual youtuber just one of many behaviors maladaptation manifests in.
>geocaching
Do occasionally when I'm hiking can also recommend. It's fun.

>>19825847
Holy based

>>19830836
I just finished swallowing a gallon of sperm and now I can appreciate your type of wit.

>>19830664
But you dont understand. I must WHITE KNIGHT. I must tell the girls to get fucked on the side so i can win my culture war. I HAVE to be morally righteous, if i'm not, then i may as well be dead.

>>19830664
On reddit people care more about watame posting her shorts than homostars

>>19830627
It's about that and restricting the private and sexual lives of the idols they support. A power they pay for, enforce with an iron fist and than turn around and claim this is about innocent feelings of love to save face. In other words being an idolfag is basically the last cope before actually becoming an unironic incel.

>>19830757
Say that ASL and not online and see what happens.
>>19830877
I'm not whoever you were arguing with earlier, I don't even know what this argument is about actually. I'm just poking bears.
I don't even care if people fall in love with drawings.
I also do those, I need to do more geocaching though, I miss doing it. Shits been a pain because of pandemic restrictions and now that is it all dying down should pick up.

>will it magically fix itself? no. will it help a TON? yes.
>hit the gym, go take walks, start running, go to parks, if you're a nerd seek a hobby where you go somewhere, idk tabletop game stores or fucking photography or catching cool rocks whatever the fuck, get some sunlight, vitamin D is important

>>19830836
That's your argument? I'm a bigger Stars fan than a Hololive fan. You can't even tell if one of them is streaming right now, or even name all of them, you western cuck. Stop acting like your shitty crusade is for their good, they don't give two shits about you.

>>19830747
It's all love and tolerance until they get a whiff of someone being a lonely incel.

>>19827245
EOPs only know how to ruin hobbies and twist words of the talents into their own delusions

>>19831004
> idolfags are wojak spammers
kek

>>19831048
based

The whole point and the main reason of hololive popularity is because no men allowed. Fans(I mean the REAL fans) come to stream to watch cute\cool\horny etc girls playing games\sing song\fanservicing etc
Sadly some girls(like Towa for example) already start the process of annihilation for hololive
I mean, if they want to fuck some boys then go and fuck behind the scenes, don't bring it on stream

>>19831064
>It's all love and tolerance until they get a whiff of a strawman they can conveniently sacrifice on the alter of righteousness
Fixed that for you

>>19830938
Why are anti-idolshitters so detatched from reality?
Nothing you say is close to true so it's impossible to discuss.
The main difference between an artist and an idol is the communication with fans. Any rule is completely dependent on the group and the company they work for.
The fans have literally never held such a standard. There has literally never been a mob of fans angry at an idol, just deranged individuals.
>>19831003
Cringe, you must be beyond feeble

>>19831090
lol, you only found Hololive this year.
Sora was collabing with guys probably before you even heard about 4chan. Still does.
You're the invader here. Always remember that.

>>19830836
Holostars fans like idol culture too, you western faggots are the only ones trying to destroy what people like. You don’t watch anyone you try to promote

>>19831090
It's like people don't even understand markets. Hololive, nijisanji, vshojo, and indies have their specific things. If those things align with what you are looking for in entertainment then go there and stay there.

>>19830938
Just to be clear, you're against porn, prostitution, etc., too right? Because that's a much stronger form of paying for sexual control than anything idols are doing.

>>19831048
>Stop acting like your shitty crusade is for their good
then why the Nijisanji males are so popular compared to HoloStars? because they can interact with the girls, they don't view male and female friendship or hetero ships as evil

>>19826882
>>19826240
>>19826214
>Brings valid arguments
NIJINIGGER!!!!
Me senses insecurity here

>>19831176
yeah, and how popular is Sora?

I do not care about anyone's opinion, my money is mine and no one is entitled to it just for existing.
As long as my oshi pleases the fans and we enjoy our time together, money will flow, the moment I see cuckery on stream, I'm out and moving with my money somewhere else.
Western cucks never put their money where their mouth is, so the opinon of most is completely irrelevant in this "culture war".

>>19831003
Oh go on then. See you in the field
Yeah, I also became kind of a shut-in except for the occasional hike. The utter state of the world did a number on me. I feel like I've let 2 valuable years of my life be stolen. It wasn't all for naught, I discovered my oshi during that time, which is pretty swell!

>>19831247
Classic numberfaggot mentality. Why am I not surprised?

>>19831237
keep begging for collabs while you shit on them secretly nijinigger

>>19831204
You do know that every time the males collab with the girls their numbers go down right? They’ve cultivated a rabid fanbase of teenage girls wanting to fuck them in the chat that leave when they interact with girls. You literally have no clue what you’re talking about

>>19831204
Then the only way people will watch the Stars is if they collab with the girls? Can't you see how fucking shallow this is? That their worth is measured by who they interact with? Just say you don't like them, dude. Stars fans couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion.

>>19830916
As they should

>>19831268
Yeah outdoors stuff was a pain, still tried to do a lot despite harsh punishments though.
Fuckers won't stop me exploring because kungflu.
I mostly focused on electronics development on the side to keep me busy.

>>19831330
Yeah, the idol antis will never give a stigma to the female like they did to the males gachis, because they're even more pussywipped than incels are.

>>19830938
>If you're not a cuck, then you're a misogynist.

last time idolfags got cocky and bragged about rushia being the top earner and called everyone cucks, look what happened. and they're still at it, but using Lamy now. idolfags delusions know no bounds

>>19831271
wtf are you talking about, I personally like Sora, but I'm saying - hololive become popular is because of girls who doesn't interact with boys

>>19831643
lies, you said the same lie a week ago too. Develop yourself.

>>19831643
I gotta give it to ya, from an outsiders perspective, that one was pretty ironic and GFE-fags will sadly never live that down, even the ones who saw through rushias illusion and dropped her for another, more genuine fix-provider.

>>19831643
thing is that was a win for idolfags, the liar got destroyed as per the unwriten rules of idols.
The culture prevails, evn if the ultimate reason wasnt the same that began everything, it's what started it.

The women in this thread need to be rape-corrected as soon as possible.

ITT, avengers civil war, but idolfags vs anti-idolfags version

>>19832083
And none of them watch male vtubers.

>>19830741
Which would still not change what this is about and what it is more importantly not about, namely love. Basically, your argument for why this is not about control is that they voluntarily do it, which is irrelevant to the question. Do they give up the power to have a relationship in their private lives voluntarily? Fuck no. There is no evidence to suggest that it is voluntarily nor is there any evidence to suggest that it is given up voluntarily. What's more important though is what the idolfag gets out of it, which is that the idol has no boyfriend. This is the power they want. It's about control.

>>19832202
I know quite a few idolfags and this hasn't been my experience at all. They're always either soft idolfags who can't stand males under any circumstances and complain about male protags in anime etc., or they are hardcore gachikoi who are in a parasocial relationship with their oshi and genuinely feel hurt and jealous if they're in a relationship or even interacting with men. Neither type really has anything in common with the control-obsessed caricature you've concocted.

>>19832202
They could always collab with guys. Fubuki starting collabing with the Stars the moment the ban was lifted a little over 2 years ago, and if she didn't influence the others to do the same then nothing will. Stop treating the girls like damsels in distress, the majority of them are well into their late 20's or even early 30's. They're all adults and they made their choice, they auditioned to a company with this sort of culture and if they didn't want to Nijisanji or any other company was right there. If you don't like this, don't watch them. It's that simple. And for the love of god, get off your high horse. As I already said, none of this will help the Stars. This circlejerk does absolutely nothing for them, your bitching won't change how things are right now, and I still see more people discussing about this topic than actually watching the Stars, but you fuckers still don't see the irony on that.

>>19823910
>Actually go back, like no joke, actually go back. That is the most fucking sad and pathetic thing I have ever read in my entire life, and I honestly have no advice but for you to just genuinely go back. Usually I try to give some type of life advice, but literally all I can say is go back. Like I don't understand how you can become so offended by someone you've literally never met. I get covid has been a hard time shit on people, but just actually go back. That's the only option of advice I can give you if you ever want the pain to stop, go back.
Here, I removed all of your negativity for you. Save me a reddit gold for later, I'll deffo come pick it up

>>19821335
Pekora, she doesn't want to lose viewers.

>>19832202
>power
>control
kys tranny

>>19832682
Actually based (upcummie) Anonymity and freedom of speech doesn't mean you are supposed to act like some internet tough guy who definitely has fucked someones mom.
I mean you can do that and it's good that you can, but no adult will take you seriously.
Maybe chuckle or curse the eternal summer at best.

>>19832712
>>>/r9k/

>>19831767
You always say that. You are basically like someone who stared into the sun for too long, became blind and now keeps staring just to save face.

>>19825094
Based Miko with true future sight carrying Hololive to success

>>19832870
Nope. You have actual issues that have went on your whole life and can no longer be dealt with, kys.

>>19831643
There was no bragging. It was just straight up facts. Rushia made bank as GFE. She got caught up in a lie and ended up paying for it.
The tragedy is that the message was about as inoffensive as it can get and not really worth being mad over for a few days.
Rushia just freaked the fuck out cause she KNEW she got caught in a lie and proceeded to destroy her own job instead of just letting it blow over.
When you get down to it, people don't like liars and cheats.

>>19832607
It will never help holostars. They'll just be small and niche because male vtubers are not as widely appealing.

>>19825094
> girls are treated like objects fans own instead of human beings
and i'm her walking wallet, we love each other

>>19832202
Imagine bitching because people make concessions in order to participate in society.

>>19833041
All that prostate massaging has got you too fond of spinning narratives.
The fuck up was from Cover, they didn't support her and that's what made her freak out.

>>19833252
Cover supported her, you fucking idiot. They straight up said that they don't care about the personal lives of their talents outside of work. Hence why its a tragedy.

>>19833041
cover literally threw her under the bus

>>19833252
>>19833354
>He doesn't know
Remember that virtue signalling shrinks your brain.

>>19833346
Talking out your ass, at the beginning the management was on holiday and then she still wasn't allowed to stream.

>>19833041
FYI, almost all of Rushia's gachis are still with her. They believe her when she says there was no cucking. Make of that what you will.

>>19832567
It's not concocted it's based on facts and you have nothing to contest it, which is why your arguments are so weak. Especially "I know some idolfags, they are not like you say" is incredibly weak. You are both intentionally misinterpreting what I said to make it even possible for the argument to work and also cherry picking like a motherfucker. You basically have nothing to show for yourself.

>>19833391
It's very probable that there was no cucking. It's also very clear that Rushia leaked confidential information and thats why shes gone.

>>19833382
she wasn't allowed to talk about it, nor defend herself in her own twitter account, the drama just kept snowballing. do your reps

>>19833354
>>19833389
Right, so what Cover should've done in this situation? Let Rushia talk about this and risk the possibility of her making shit worse? Exactly how she did when showing stuff to a dramatuber (who's a guy, funnily enough)? And she did that in 2 or 3 hours after that stream ended. She was more willing to risk her entire career by contacting a third-party than waiting it out and ask help from management.

>>19833559
>Everyone: All you have to do is say nothing and it'll blow over. It's literally a nothing burger
>Rushia: TIme to go to japanese keemstar

>>19833577
Jargon.
She has proven she has the capability of explaining herself, has done so via twitcasts.

>>19833577
management literally ignored her

>>19833499
I'm sorry, it's not based on facts and comes off as frankly ignorant. You rely on second-hand accounts of what's happening on the other side of the world in a language you don't understand so you come to all sorts of mistaken conclusions. I shared some anecdotes as someone who actually has first-hand experience with this culture, and you don't care. Fine, believe whatever you want, and good luck with your transition.

>>19833640
She still went to a dramatuber as fast as she could.

>>19833645
The stream happened around 12AM. She contacted korekore during the early morning. You're advocating for management to be ready and keep their eyes on their talent 24/7. They trusted her that she wouldn't do something retarded, but lo and behold she did something retarded.

>>19832992
Oh, like your smooth brain? Gotcha.

>>19833911
cope

>>19833686
No. I cared. I told you exactly what was wrong with your argument. You say you have first-hand experience yet you argue from such a weak position. Makes me wonder why you now decide to leave the conversation like a little bitch instead of refuting anything I said. Go cry to your idolfag friends about how you are the victim you little faggot. Tey know all about that.

>>19834329
Thats a lot of text that basically says you have no argument.

>>19834329
No one cares about your xenophobic culture war

>>19834329
Look. You're obviously a tranny. How well do you think someone would understand trannies if they get all their information about them from people who hate trannies, and in fact are from a foreign country and cannot understand what the trannies are saying?