/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*

>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>19766288
So I assume some slippage happened, yes?

>>19766387
yes

>>19766288
KEK

>>19766288
Nijikeks just can't stop losing

>>19766288
I like this one

>>19766437
KNEEL BROS ASSEMBLE

So you finally dropped the façade of not being the nijianti general thread kek

>>19768763
>>19766852

>>19768763
cope and seethe

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>49,481: Miko (Hololive)
>33,544: Toya (Nipplesanji)
>29,796: Pekora (Hololive)
>26,274: Fubuki (Hololive)
>22,008: Mio (Hololive)
>21,168: Flare (Hololive)
>20,900: Kuzuha (Nipplesanji)
>20,144: IRyS (Hololive)
>17,747: Laplus (Hololive)
>14,035: Fauna (Hololive)
>13,023: Sasaki (Nipplesanji)
>12,981: Ina (Hololive)
>12,965: Mio (Hololive)
>12,474: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,423: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,245: Akina (Nipplesanji)
>10,006: Kiara (Hololive)

>>19770551
*EN TALLY OF THE DAY*

>20,211: IRyS (Hololive)
>14,044: Fauna (Hololive)
>12,999: Ina (Hololive)
>10,038: Kiara (Hololive)
>8,531: Nijinigger (Nipplesanji)
>5,871: Nijinigger (Nipplesanji)
>5,651: Amelia (Hololive)
>5,178: Nijinigger (Nipplesanji)

>>19766288
>>19766852
>>19766852
>>19766852
Actual previous thread

/#/ is declining.

This is the numbers thread. Where holofags obsess over CCV averages and circlejerk themselves about their numbers. Instead of actually watching any vtubers.

You are spending your life doing this.

>>19777907
I mean, have you seen the average Hololive stream? This is more exciting.

FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>20,211: IRyS (Hololive)
>14,044: Fauna (Hololive)
>12,999: Ina (Hololive)
>10,038: Kiara (Hololive)
>8,531: Yugo (Nijisanji)
>5,871: Vox (Nijisanji)
>5,651: Amelia (Hololive)
>5,178: Fulgur (Nijisanji)

>>19779380
EN Gold so far for March

1. Gura (Hololive) - 18,401 (Vampire Survivors)
2. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 13,675 (Drawing Noctyx)
3. Gura (Hololive) - 29,065 (Elden Ring)
4. Mori (Hololive) - 20,340 (Elden Ring)
5. Mori (Hololive) - 32,469 (English Lesson with Gura, La+, and Iroha)
6. Vox (Nijisanji) - 21,483 (400k Endurance + Celebration)
7. IRyS (Hololive) - 20,211 (Birthday party and Totsu)

Hololive - 5
Nijisanji - 2
Others - 0

>>19766437

>>19766437
>>19780013
That doesn't even explain all of it. It was fun last night. Miko secured gold while she was away from the stream for 20 minutes.

https://youtu.be/Mx8u-dSzpxw
Good clip numbers and some fun comments.

>>19780377
>those homo numbers
We're going to get HomoEN rammed gang-bang style into every single one of the girls' streams, aren't we. There's no way they go the idol route and segregate them.

>>19780572
The girls are gonna shill them hard the first week and then do JP x EN stars collabs.

>>19780572
>go the idol route and segregate them.
You can expect collabs with the ones that already collab with Holostars: Calli, Baelz, Fauna, plus some others that likely don’t care one way or another like Sana and Mumei.
Some others won’t but not particularly because they’re boys but because they don’t collab outside their absolute comfort zone: Gura, Kronii, Ame.

All in all it likely is going to be exactly like JP: not forbidden, not forced

>>19780705
>Fauna
Fauna has never collabed with Stars, you're thinking of Mumei.

So what numbers are on the menu today, boys?

>>19780572
i believe holo is quite hands off and will leave it up to the girls, and thats my biggest fear, they may get asked to collab and dont know hot to say no and will try to help the new faggots, specially if they are low tier like the jp. breaking the usual holo formula, i will wait and see but i cant imagine it ending up positively,

>>19768763
>All out war they said

>>19772650
at least write the name of the vtuber you fucking retard. I'm here to see numbers, i dont care about your retarded console war

>>19780377

>>19780855
Their name is Nijinigger.

>>19780792
Wouldn't be surprised if they had the unofficial "you're not allowed to ask a Holo for a collab" rule that JP stars have.

>>19779380
Interesting. Yugo in that time might do pretty well. If Noctxys wants higher numbers like him, they'll need to stream earlier in the day. Sonny is streaming in a time no one in nijien does (6pm jst) so he got his own timeslot while Uki and Fulgur seems to stream for NA audience similar to how Shu and Luca do

>>19780751
Yeah yeah, switch Fauna with Mumei

>>19780792
>they may get asked to collab
Other that maybe UMISEA (“maybe” because it could have come from Marine wanting to collaborate with EN and management seizing the opportunity to sell merch) I don’t recall even a single instance in the whole story of Hololive where a collab was forced to happen by unwilling participants.

>>19780855
it's pomu's fault for wanting war.

what’s the appeal of numbers

>>19780855
>>19768763
>this thread is one person
>that person is the one retarded nigger shitting the thread and nijiEN thread
Yeah; not how it works

>>19768763
yea, nijien dropped the facade a few days ago

>>19781030
when they're big they make my pp hard and when they're small they make this horrible pit in my stomach i can't get rid of

>>19781059
you guys really felt offended over what is a bunch of employees talking about what is happening in other company. imagine the day any of you work at microsoft and sony thinking that they won't be talking about each other behind the scenes. kek but i guess most of you dont work so none of you know how a company is.

>>19781030
>what’s the appeal of numbers
In this thread, it’s the same appeal of a horse race.

Maybe you have a nice horse in your farm which carries you around, a little old and slow but you had it since your childhood and likes it like a family member.
That doesn’t prevent you showing up at the track, putting some yens on a horse and yelling at them from the stands.

People here likely have their oshis and couldn’t (for the most part) care less of her numbers; they watch her streams and enjoy them with all their hearts.
That has zero relation to the autistic activities they do in this thread, which is pretty much shouting from the stands at horses racing at the track

>>19780954
that seems to be the case. Yugo also reached 100k in 10 days from what I saw.
>>19780917
I'm just going to vrabi if you are going to act like a retard, I guess

>>19781152
you can shit talk all you want but just don't get caught doing it. it is that easy if you don't want to catch flak.

>>19781048
it's all me.

>>19781152
>you guys
One (1) schizo, anon. One. Stop tarring the whole thread with the actions of one nigger

>>19781152
>offended
it's all banter bro, why are you getting so defensive

>>19780977
The bad press that would come from Cover forcing them to do collabs isn't worth the risk, it would 100% make StarsEN look like leeches who can't fend for themselves if it ever came out.

>>19780572
if mori is really /here/ she gonna shill then just to own nijiniggers aka niji EN

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>49,481: Miko (Hololive)
>33,544: Toya (Nijisanji)
>29,796: Pekora (Hololive)
>26,274: Fubuki (Hololive)
>22,008: Mio (Hololive)
>21,168: Flare (Hololive)
>20,900: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>20,144: IRyS (Hololive)
>17,747: Laplus (Hololive)
>14,035: Fauna (Hololive)
>13,023: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>12,981: Ina (Hololive)
>12,965: Mio (Hololive)
>12,474: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,423: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,245: Akina (Nijisanji)
>10,006: Kiara (Hololive)

>>19781152
>Try to enforce unity in the face of public
>Are actually bitter rejects
Jee i wonder why anyone could be mad

>>19781230
You see the level of vtubing as a young hobby and industry when something innocuous like this get anons seething. If any of you actually worked in a company, all of you would be really scared of what is said in private about competitors. here? just talking about rivals and having a retard like Fulgur who has the same misconceptions about the industry as Connor.

>>19781211
bad comparison

>>19781152
kek maybe you shouldnt have said all that, finana

>>19781406
>MARCH 2022 GOLD
1) Botan (Hololive) - 38,974 - Vampire Survivors
2) Nene (Hololive) - 91,087 - Birthday 3D Live
3) Pekora (Hololive) - 31,971 - ARK Collab
4) Roboco (Hololive) - 52,777 - Anniversary 3D Live
5) Miko (Hololive) - 125,971 - Birthday 3D Live
6) Hayase (Nijisanji) - 72,274 - 3D Debut
7) Miko (Hololive) - 49,481 - Horse Gacha

>>19766288
>Nijifags are like scousers
It makes so much sense.

>>19781415
NijiEN never collab with hololive to have "unity", at best twitter interactions. Aside from this, only Finana applied before, and she didn't talk anything bad anyway as she was talking about luxiem mogging many jp in scs in the last months.

>>19781511
dont try to justify yourself brapfish

>>19781450
nta but that describes me, my oshi never features on this thread, it makes it easy to yell like a shithead

>>19781445
If a Microsoft employee was caught in a hot mic in a trade fair shittalking (let's say) Google (company, employees, products) he would get sacked very quickly if he was low level or demoted if high level

>>19780572
It's also possible that StarsEN will never happens due to a lack of quality candidates. I have hope that Shinove is in charge of hiring EN and he wouldn't let anyone tarish the rep he's built for Stars.

>>19781554
that's a very retarded comparisong because none of them were shit talking hololive but talking about how the other business was doing. You never would be sacked for this, at all.

>>19781511
>He's now, actually defending brapleech
OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>19781445
If any of you actually worked in a company you'd know that it doesn't matter how much shit you talk, but it does matter if you get caught out doing it. You can call your competitors a bucnh of raging fags who couldn't design a website if Jesus himself came down and gave them a base to work off, but if the competitor heard you saying that and went public you bet your ass would be on the line. Stop LARPing as a wagie if you're gonna say dumb shit like this

>>19781152
lol microsoft and sony dont try to act like best buddies on twitter in hopes for collabs

>>19781545
When you can't reply to a discussion, you need to resort to being a retarded delusional, i see

Since this is the #s thread, let's talk #s. Why are Finana's numbers so goddamn awful? 3 digit number on her stream right now

>>19781561
>lack of quality candidates
There is this thing about going corpo that broadens the range of potential candidates.

Think Nina, from NijiEN. Her professionalism absolutely positively surprised me (despite not caring about her content the littlest).
Can you imagine that pretty much every other member of the branch fucked up one way or another but she's squeaky clean (despite her PL attitude)?

>>19781554
shh. dont desttroy anons fantasies of the world he dreams up from his basement. He's preciously retarded right now.

so, what's currently happening that's causing this, any clues

>>19781561
Shinove really busted his ass, imagine getting a fucking Omega to manage EN Stars. Would be worst case scenario for that brand.
On that note, his replacement for HoloEN couldn't come sooner.

>>19781511
to be fair they used the word "livers" so it's possible that they were boasting about beating niji JP members.

>>19781619
And yet none of what was said is that big. It's a bunch of conversation about numbers and applications. As I said, you wouldn't be fired for that, much like nothing happened in here.
>>19781637
If you actually thought anyone outside of kiara and pomu, were best buddies just because of twitter interactions, idk what to tell you.

>>19781689
what brand? at best they are stagnant. at worst in a dearh spiral.

>>19781599
Anon, imagine a group of Microsoft employees getting caught on a hot mic in a trade fair saying
> Heh, Google is feelling really threatened, their new cloud offering is not performing as well as the previous and our new product is blowing theirs out of the water
> Yeah, and the revenue of our star cloud product is almost at the level of their average one
> Yeah yeah, and all that downtime their cloud had last month, good thing you guys have me here to keep it from happening

Imagine that in a hot mic, imagine the reaction of the tech press.

>>19781678
>nina squeaky clean

> I see how many Russian-speaking people are interested in vtubers. I see it. I told my company about it, they allowed me to make this stream. I hope they will allow me to do these projects in future. I'll not be able to make projects in russian all the time. Remember, Coco from Hololive, even though she did things in English, she couldn't do full English streams like the half-Russian (sic) stream I'm doing now. I have...I was given way more rights to do this, but please believe me that I continue to talk to the company, that I will continue to show the clips that you make, I continue to show how many comments and how many people come to watch the Russian streams..
>I will keep asking the company and showing the company that there is an interest in this. So I hope you understand that if you see somewhere in the comments or people will be asking "please, please, please, I want more", I can't always do this, and please give them Coco as an example, that Coco too...she did such half-English streams sometimes, but she couldn't even do a fully English stream, even though her command of English is excellent. So, yeah. I'll keep showing them, I'll keep telling them. I really want them to allow me to make this stream more often than once a month.
>All of this...I don't know if we have a right to talk about this, Coco left Hololive...but the actress who play...the actress, or you could say the vocal actress [she means voice actress] who plays her, she still makes streams and it's very easy to find her. It's very easy...oh, yeah, some people [in the chat] already said it, I'm not sure if I can talk about this, but yeah...you can find her, she still makes, actually just recently she debuted her new character, she was very beatiful.
>https://files.catbox.moe/f3m0y1.mp4

>>19781686
Some Niji intern is doing damage control.

>>19781799
Yeah, you're right, I forgot that.

>>19781739
They would use the word livers for any vtuber, similar to how holo fans use gen to refer to nijisanji anyway. It was obviously referring to luxiem beating holojp in sc.
>>19781678
Nina also had leaks before in her beginning. That wasn't the first discord leak happening in nijien.

>>19781511
Alright Finana. Just ignore the numerous Nijifags who said Holo was undermining unity, because NijiEN WANTED collabs and Holo was BLOCKING them, right? Kek. That's right, people have said NijiEN wanted to collab with Holo, imagine their delusions being broken now. The amount of shit I've heard that painted Holo as the bad guy, and suddenly you Niji people are so defensive and downplaying it.

It blows my mind that NijiEN posts sound like could be lifted from this shithole. I always assumed they had a baseline level of professionalism but nah. I half believe Fulgur is Council schizo now.

>be a nijinigger streamer
>already got caught shitting up /vt/
>m-maybe i can fix this by shitting it up some more

>>19781686
Nijisanji task force

>>19780855
The actual list >>19779380

>>19781792
The reaction would cause some backlash at best but none would be fired for talking about a competitor behind the scenes. You need to know your competition and talk about it in order to improve yourself.
I said it before but only Fulgur is really bad, and that's because he is calling them underperforming, which can be offensive to the members, but even him, it's like how connor said, a uninformed opinion about the industry. Just because they are vtubers dont mean they are specialists, they were fans before like us after all.

>>19781957
kek, finana is now trying to sacrifice her kouhai in order to save her own skin
>it was all fulgur!! all fulgur!!!

>>19781152
It ls not just them talking about tje competition. Its the fact that they act all chummy with HoloEN on twitter and then turn around and talk shit about them behind their backs. Two faced scummy behavior.

>>19781686
The shitty op doesn't help. There were people in here seething whilst everyone was still posting in the last thread.
I preferred it when we just used random off topic OP images.

>>19781852
The most obvious conclusion for anyone is that Cover is blocking it on a high management level to not give space to NijiEN in the EN market. There's no reason for NijiEN management to block collabs when they are smaller. And Cover is right anyway, they have a huge market share that they can choose to give or not for direct competitors on youtube, unlike vshojo which is on twitch.

>>19782033
Yes anon, I'm Finana and I'm playing games on screen while being in here. kek there's really no hope for this thread or board

>>19782141
all nijiniggers sound exactly the same lol

semi-dead hour right now so I'm gonna post the pastebin with holofes2 clips for newfags that missed it
https://pastebin.com/5LsdtBmd

>>19782080
The one who you could say that is Fulgur and he doesn't even interact with holos. The rest are very mild replies.

>>19782082
Well done Niji intern, honor student answer. That would be a conclusion before the discord leak. Go collect your paycheck from Anycolor.

I wish you tribal fag cunts would fuck off and make another bait thread on the catalog for your shitty bickering.

>>19781957
>but none would be fired for talking about a competitor behind the scenes
That would *not* be the cause for the firing, as you put well, people talk privately like that all the time.
It's the *getting caught and jeopardizing the institutional relations of the company* that is the problem and the reason the employees would at very least catch major flak, and depending on how expendable they were they would be kicked out, demoted or reassigned.

I am not saying it would happen on NijiEN, they're not in the corporate world but you are making it look like the problem is what they said, while the problem is that
> they talked in the capacity of representatives of their company and got caught
That's why I used the "hot mic in a trade fair" example. The very same employees saying the very same thing in the example given would see zero repercussion if they had said it in some after party after the trade fair, even if people from their competitors listened to it directly or were made aware of that.

Getting caught shit talking your competition while representing your company would get people fired, demoted or at very least reprehended in the corporate world and I'm not even talking about Japanese companies, regular ass western companies as well

>>19782199
please understand, he just follows the guidebook he was given

>>19782196
Explain Ollie.

>>19782199
That doesn't even make any sense when none of those in there are staff but 6 out of 20 vtubers in a conversation in a separate discord server that don't have any staff and management.

>>19781762
millie and moona was a best buddies

>>19781739
For their sake I hope not, imagine tribalistic shit flinging WITHIN the company.

>>19782281
They have the same mama. Other than that he didn't interact with any other hololive.

>>19781739
>it's possible that they were boasting about beating niji JP members
That was my impression as well

>>19782179
> all nijiniggers sound exactly the same lol
That's how a tribe is form. No wonder Nijilivers are very tribal.

>>19781511
>He already forget about Shu
NGMI

>>19782322
Millie best buddy is Enna. And this relation with moona and holo id comes from lyrica time anyway.
>>19782427
I didn't forget shu because he didn't say anything outside of talking about him having hope about holostars en opening audiiton years ago. I was talking about the ones that took some shot, so Finana and Fulgur.

>>19780377
How did Niji women fail so hard? Even literal indie sluts like nihmune pull over 1k easily

>>19782493
They tried to be a discount Hololive on debut and then went discount Vshojo when the guys debut.

>>19781672
Too busy seething and being tribal on /vt/ while streaming.
Multi-tasking reduces her focus, which affects her streaming quality.
No wonder people don't watch her.

>>19782493
Millie have better numbers than that and Finana is tramping herself into gacha shit while she only gets numbers in certain parts of the game

>>19781672
Repeat games get less views
Honkai is shit
It's Finana
Pick your poison

>>19782194
I can't not notice all the side-step anymore.

>Rushia Haato - Yoru ni Kakeru
What did you do Rushia?

>>19781686
You obviously know its the op image. I'm surprised the regulars don't actively avoid choosing threads with an inflammatory op just because its impossible to discuss anything. Although it doesn't help that even if you exclude the tourists most in the thread are still fine with shitposting as long as its with Niji.

>>19782388
The cult of Fungus Covid

>>19781957
>Just because they are vtubers dont mean they are specialists, they were fans before like us after all.
But Fulgur, we know that already.

Do you think Nijisanji will silently ban collabs between Nijisanji EN (both boys and girls) and Holostars EN, just like Hololive did with their girls?

I think that will be the case. But when that happens who would Holostars EN collab with?

>Hololive is off-limits.
>Nijisanji is off limits.
>Vshojo?
>Indies?

The only group that they will surely be able to collab with is Holostars.
It will be interesting to see if they can find some collab partners outside of the 300-median Holostars.
Maybe Ollie? But will that be enough to help them?

>>19782761
we had no choice, a schizo kept this thread alive while we used a thread that was made after this one

>>19782806
Holostars will probably have more lax restrictions if the JP side is anything to go by.

>>19782845
they basically get treated like IDs

>WELL; BACK TO NUMBERS
To bring the subject back to what actually matters, here is the chart for the 30 days median of peak CCV, starting in 2021.
ATTENTION :the label over the markers is the number of streams in the period, that is, the 30 days that precede the date of the marker

To start, Holo JP. Five things

1) It is absolutely incredible how salient CCVID is in this chart. In the span of 4 weeks Hololive went from their all time high to their all time low
2) Just as incredible is the recovery from it. After Feb 12 of this year (when 30 days do not include pretty much any CCVID stream) Hololive was back to their highest point (excluding dec 2021) since Coco's graduation buff.
3) Number of JP streams took a hit from December (854 streams in the 30 days that precede Christmas, inclusive) to 698 on the 30 days preceding March 6. Lots of casualties and even one fatality this month may be the cause
4) Looking a this chart in hindsight shows how big the "Coco graduation buff" was, and how gigantic the "Sports Fes to HoloX debut" buff was
5) In a similar way, it also shows how weak Mar 2021 and Aug 2021 were for JP, which I blame on APEX championships and lack of a strong FOTM.

Comments? Anything to add to that analysis?

Are we getting a little too obsessed with Fungus Covid? Are we becoming Fungus Covid?

>>19782806
If we got by HoloEN standards, they will be isolated and only will collab with Hololive/Holostars. HoloEN barely collabs in comparison to other branches in the agency.

>>19782493
some of the girls are just not compotent streamers
you can compare them with someone like Sana but without the Hololive brand and box to give them a free 2-3K boost
they went with their usual ACCELERATE bullshit and got some decent members but also some pretty mediocre ones

the only compotent ones are Elira, Pomu, Selen, Rosemi and maaaaybe Enna as a vsinger (maybe even Reimu too as a vsinger if they had pushed that angle hard and gave her a better model)

everyone else from the girls are below average streamers/entertainers so the 1K-1.5K medians they get is already pretty decent for what they offer at least

>>19782806
if I were them Id just drop the homos on Twitch and see how they fend

>>19782889
wasn't march 21 monhun arc

>>19782889
What arc are we on atm? Holofes?

>>19782889
That dip is disgusting to look at, but at least we have undeniable evidence of CCVID now.

Are you planning on doing this with the ENs? As it could make a good comparison post Holofest to see how their idol reps affected their numbers.

>>19783083
elden ring

>>19783083
VS and ER?

>>19782992
If they collab banned Niji and Hololive, but gave the homos free reign for anythign else they'd probably do fine too. You can get pretty far if you can get it with the bigger indies

>>19782806
stars JP already do more external collabs than holo JP so it's safe to assume stars EN can do.
plus there's nothing stopping holo EN from doing external collabs. see kiara, mori, and ina.

>>19783042
How is a Kiara SC reading beating Selena bread and butter

>>19782845
I don't doubt that the restrictions from Cover's side will be lax, what I am wondering about is if others in the EN space will want to collab with them since I think Anycolor will not allow Nijisanji EN to collab with them and obviously Hololive EN girls seem to be going the way of their JP counterparts when it comes to male collabs (with the exception of maybe Bae).

>>19782806
From the Nijisanji side? Probably not. It's possible HolostarsEN might ban collabs, but its not very likely as regular Holostars doesn't really go the "idol" route either. It mostly depends on the numbers they do I guess. If they do choose to go the HoloEN route, its a toss-up on whether they can wrangle market share from NijiEN. Seeing as they're still recruiting, they would need to time the debut pretty optimally.

>>19782997
That's a 30 days rolling chart, whatever happens on a date will start influencing from that date forward up until 30 days when its influence disappears.

March 2021 had CR cup dragging some of the girls numbers down, no Minecraft Arc and no FOTM

>>19782889
oh thank christ, the larping was annoying. Damn they pumped a lot of streams out over the holiday period. Dropping back off now with Rushia dead and holofes approaching but still similar in amount to last year due to increased roster size.

and this is why lacunny is top of holox - the chuuni never drops the kayfabe

>>19781152
You haven't been on Twitter recently, have you? Some retard developers at Sony are getting shit on for talking shit about E.den Ring being more popular than thier games.

>>19783113
>Are you planning on doing this with the ENs
Already did for ID, EN and Stars, will let this one up for a while first

>>19783083
Coming out of ARK, entering Vampire Survivors and Elder Ring

>>19783345

It is an absolute travasty that DC essentially doesnt make comic books anymore and last I checked the perennial 1/2 comic book finished 7th in sales behind shit ive never even heard of before

>>19783261
There will always be a long line of indies who are willing to collab with a big corpo, especially if they make decent numbers on debut. Beyond clout chasers, there's people like Scarra who will colalb with basically anyone who asks. There's also the ID branch, of course

>>19783127
>>19783129
>>19783380
Numbers are decent. Plenty golds. Seems like a good arc.

>>19782473
If you looked at his comment alone and not the other before him, maybe so.
But looking at the full conversations, he shared about his HoloReject status exactly after what Finana and especially Fulgur said about HoloEN.
It's as if he agree with one of their sentiments about Holo, most likely Fulgur one.

>>19783174
Holostars collab with JP indies and sometimes with Nijisanji.

Holostars EN won't have the same options in the EN space.
Nijisanji will probably not allow them to collab with Luxiem/Noctyx or the girls.

So their best best is probably... Twitch indies? But to me most of these appear to be big leeches so it depends if Holostars EN will have decent viewership to begin with.
I doubt Vshojo or some of their satelites would want to collab with 400 CCV HolostarsEN.

Jesas Marine.

>>19782889
>Minecraft single handledly carried hololive
>Pokemon arc was even more buff
>Ark is number poison

>>19783573
Shorts...I kneel

>>19783491
stars en won't be myth or council level but they will definitely do better than stars jp. if anything they'll be like nijiEN girls when they first debuted

>>19783491
I think their options will depend on how big they end up being. If they can get around 1k then that'd probably be enough to not look like leeches if they went around asking for collabs.

>>19783691
If they are good, then they don't need to collab to make contents.

>>19783345
What stream was this?

>>19783345
>>19783790
Oh, i'm dumb.

>>19783573
Gura has more 1 million stream vods than Pekora and Marine combined, and she had more on the way in the future.

That is the most frightening statistic from this graph jesus

>>19783368
I have seen. They take it very directly and straight up shit on reviewers and others for giving 10/10 to Elden Ring. At best the comparable would be Fulgur statement about Council underperforming in comparison to Myth, but otherwise I dont see much similarity.

>>19783731
dyrbi

the biggest reason of Hololive's position in the industry is the BOX
of course collabs matter

>>19784064
If you have to depend on the box, then stay in the box.
Their debuts will get at least 20k CCV. If they don't have what it takes, then that number won't grow much.

>>19784297
>Their debuts will get at least 20k CCV. If they don't have what it takes, then that number won't grow much.
See also: HoloID 2

>>19782806
I think HolostarsEN will be the actual indie saviors Mori failed to be

>>19784297
Difference is that HoloEN fans have a higher likelihood of at least checking debut. Not the case on the JP side.
>>19784384
ID2 have absolute shit hours for any NA watcher.
>>19784385
The only indies Mori tried to save were already her friends.

Ah, nene returning, say good bye to the gold ninjibros

I wonder how many indie devs give Cover permissions? Seems like a great marketing tool for a small dev and EN especially seems starved for content sometimes. Makes me wonder what hoops everyone has to jump through

>>19784384
HoloID2 doesn't have what it takes.
If they are good, then they will grab the spotlight.

>>19783951
But I was assured it was all dead subs, are you saying I've been lied to!?

>>19784656
ID2 basically play exclusively CCV cancer games other than Ollie but she had a habit of bursting your ear drums.

>>19783573
Man Mori and even Kiara have a ton of 1M vids, obviously due to music but still

>>19784767
It’s true. Those views she has? All me

>>19783573
how tf some of council has no 1M vid? debut vods doesn't count? they're debuted on holo new era ffs

>>19785060
bae's debut is about to hit 1m, it's at 997k

This girl would have been the top of Nijisanji if she has a tiny bit of personality.

>>19785060
Bae's debut did get 1M but susan culled it, she's about to get it back tho. Her songs will likely give her a few more 1Ms given time.

>>19785060
Susan

>>19785060
Council debuted in the afternoon in a relay and also didn’t have the entire HoloJP cast funneling right into the debuts. That’s pretty much why

Speaking of ID, here is the same chart as >>19782889, but for id.

Not a lot to comment here except

1) You can see CCVID in its full glory here too
2) Their recovery didn't bring to their pre CCVID levels yet, and the cause may be an unironic "natural recline".
HoloID "fell off the box" but turning "inwards" to their own ID only box, and to their ID only market and are more or less absent from the general Hololive ecosystem, be it collabs, clips or shared projects.
3) The other time a similar recline happened was after the "PekoMoona" arc (Q1 2021) when the whole company more or less gave Minecraft a rest and, without other common points, it isolated that branch
4) After that Ollie one off "out of the box" stunts like reciting PI, playing chess or hanging with ecelebs, plus Moona and the reignition of Minecraft stabilized the branch numbers around and over 1.5k 30 days median. All in all, even the current 1.2k median puts this branch in a very good position both for the ID market and for girl vtuber in general
5) Iofi and Risu general lack of motivation plus Anya aversion to numbers make it very difficult to turn this boat around without debuting a new gen. This may be one of the big motivations for the likely soon to be announced debuts.

Anyone knowing ID better can add something?

>>19781030
I just like reading articles and discussion regarding things like market trends, business etc.

>>19785275
>HoloID "fell off the box" but turning "inwards" to their own ID only box, and to their ID only market and are more or less absent from the general Hololive ecosystem, be it collabs, clips or shared projects.

I can actually see where this makes sense as a long-term strategy. But man it hurts the individual talents.

>>19785275
reclining...

>>19785434
it's basically building your fanbase all over again, and we've seen in several examples that that shit takes forever

>>19785434
if it doesn't work out they always have the main branch to fall back on

>>19785275
btw, HoloID Minecraft server opened with a relay on October 8 2021.

>>19785275
Their largest audience is ID.
Investing more into the local market is not a bad idea, but is the ID market worth more than being a testing ground?

>>19785601
>Their largest audience is ID.
That's as silly as saying Pewds target audience should be Sweden, or that HoloJP's target audience should be JP and that they should have divested from their CN, SEA and NA audience to focus on JP only.

>>19785275
I seem to remember some shitheads making a petition to ID management to make the talents speak more ID or become more local I guess?
Is this recline part of it?

>>19785275
I don’t think natural recline can be a realistic claim to make when ccvid was never fully understood or explained to the English audience. There’s a lot of people in various timezones with varying levels of dedication to Holo, so for a lot they likely saw super low numbers and decided not to tune in. Even worse, outsiders who stumbled upon ID/EN streams were far less likely to tune in when they saw the crippled numbers people were pulling. Essentially, why tune in to a stream of <1k when they can tune into someone pulling 5k+

CCVID was extremely unnatural, and that had an impact that lingers to this day. I feel like natural reclines have way more understood reasonings behind it (infrequent streaming, being unenthused, etc.)

>>19785533
>main branch to fall back on
only for moona and to some extend ollie and reine, the rest doesn't have any sort of connection with the jps ( holojp not holostars)

>>19785733
>Anya
fluent in Japanese so all she has to do is ask and her senpai seemed interested in her during her totsu
>Iofi
Sora
>Risu
Korone

>>19785792
>Risu x Korone
Did they interacted at all after their Phasmo collab? Feels like ages ago.

>>19785709
>Even worse, outsiders who stumbled upon ID/EN streams were far less likely to tune in when they saw the crippled numbers people were pulling.
>Essentially, why tune in to a stream of <1k when they can tune into someone pulling 5k+
I don't think there is a significant part of the audience that thinks that way.

I'll talk from personal experience: I used to catch a whole lot more Moona streams, and even some Reine and Risu streams when they were more "embedded" with the JP girls.
Nowadays, other than Moona karaoke, I rarely even think about them

>>19782845
I mean it would depend on if they are a success or not. If they're JP Holostars tier then yeah they would get lax management. If they go Myth tier then Omegay would be blocking shit from them.

>>19785853
not really but there are established connections so it shouldn't be that hard for ID girls to collab with JP/EN

>>19785853
the only times i remember is korone singing the ID song, and sending a video for risu's bday

>>19785275
Please explain CCVID to me
t. newfag

>>19785871
if the ccv is too low i dont open the stream because I assume they are on sc-reading already

>>19785792
>Iofi
>Sora
>Risu
>Korone
any of those helping their number? i know pekomoon did, holobird might be and ollie did incline hard after some collab early on with holojp before fallen to e celeb

>>19786017
youtube ccv verification bot broke, extra hard

>>19786017
basically viewers got flagged to not count for the viewer counter, and it sort of "spread" between viewers and channels, it's why they called it like that
for some reason it did count them for the waiting room, so you'd see streams that didn't even manage to recover half the waiting room

>>19786017
Japanese called it "viewer bug". In that whole yellow period Youtube started underreporting the actual live viewershp across the vtuber landscape.
Selen from NijiEN and Hal from (then) merise noticed in her analytics that, a couple of days later, it showed a live audience significantly lower than what was shown to the audience.
Another change was the time it takes to recover the audience from the "initial cull", the removal of users from the count after the waiting room turns into the live stream

It started more or less by the time Youtube removed dislikes and it generate enough discontent they made an attempt to reverse the change, with varied success
> JP seems to have returned to the numbers they had prior
> EN and ID seems to remain affected

>>19786205
>it showed a live audience significantly lower than what was shown to the audience.
Higher, not lower. Selen saw a higher number in her analytics than in the live stream

>>19786104
that could be their starting point and they can use that as stepping stones to get different collab partners

>>19785275
so in ID its ID indies (Mythia) > HoloID > Maha5 > NijiID > Re:Memories/Yume Reality

>>19786205
>remain affected
debatable for EN, their recovery rates remain consistent instead of getting worse every stream, and a 10 min recovery is nowhere near not even getting half of your waiting room back for the entire stream
it's just the old 2020 cull

>>19785060
fulgur was right

>>19785275
Most of HoloID lose even to NijiEN girls so they need to get better.

nijigirls...

>>19784437
Eh, Ririsya was not Mori's friend. I'm grateful to Mori for introducing me to my oshi.

>>19786548
tbf to them, finana is playing honkai in a part where there's no hype while Millie is playing a debuff game. Reimu is on her usual numbers.

>>19786548
I honestly think all the collabs with the males had a minor but significant impact on their numbers.

>>19786548
It's what happens when you declare a total war.

>>19786607
>Reimu is on her usual numbers

>>19786737
You are right. That number is too high for her.

>>19785060
Fauna and Mumei debut has 1.1M
Kronii has 1.2M
Bae is almost there with 997k
and the worthless one at 924k

>>19786764
nah her usual is between 500-700. Her worst is 200-300.

>>19786607
Reimu's CCV is literally 3 Nijigirls away from being startup vtuber company tier. Honestly, I shake my head at how Fish pussy and COVID can laugh at Council. Hell, Pomu should be ashamed to even consider calling this a war. It's like a bunch of poorfags thinking their hot shit because they know a male prostiture who makes bank.

>>19786104
>any of those helping their number?
You can take a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.

This pic contains the number of hours streamed on average *per streamer* for each branch and gen for Hololive and Holostars.

With Moona partially out of commision for some time ID1 almost disappeared.
And ID2 may make up in hours but their choice of entertainment (specially Anya) can very audience hostile.

>>19786320
>Mythia
What's her median? If you are using a single streamer (and the strongest one) to represent all Indies you should compare head to head with Moona to see if she really beats HoloID

>>19786548
Oh yeah the holos are really scared of niji dominance, Finana.
What the fuck happened, I thought the all inclined to 2-3k?

>>19786841
>jp2 lower than en2
jesus christ man, aside from the aqua apex saga, it's literally been just shuba and choco, and because of her break, it's literally just choco now

color theory fags, when designing a character how do you know what color to assign to a certain personality trait? based on personal feelings, I think red is for cute and blue is for cooler characters. I'm colorblind so I don't really know how it works.

>>19787003
pink is for whores

>>19786877
Just off the top of my head but I don't think she does. She's somewhere around 1-3k depending on content and can get up to 5k+ for her buff content (can someone check on this?). Moona's karaoke can pull roughly around 10k. In the land of midgets (ID) Moona is legitimately their Gura equivalent. No ID, corpo or otherwise, touches her in terms of CCV for buff content and VOD views. Her title of Queen of ID chuubas is well deserved.

>>19786841
How are women out streaming men? What kind of weak shit is that?

>>19787003
>red is for cute
Red is for fiery and brash, blue is for cool and calm.

>>19787111
>How are women out streaming men?
They're not? Stars average is higher than any of the other branches

>>19787003
blue and pink for high ccv and numbers overall
green for whores

>>19787003
Warm colors for more active, vibrant personalities
Cool colors for more laid-back, chill personalities

>>19787003
white for cunny

>>19782806
I think Holostars EN will be able to collab with basically anyone except maybe Melody or some of the political sperg /here/tubers. It's up to Niji if they want to block that or use it as an in to try and get collabs for their female ENs who are treading water or sinking.

3/4ths of the EN girls will likely collab with them, all of the IDs (ID 3 unknown), and whichever JPs already collab with Stars. But they'll never be in big EN events, never be on the MC server, never be in concerts unless they have their own ect.

>>19786960
Yup. It’s been talked about here and people just come and say Shion and Ayame deserve their semi-retirement because of what they did in the past. But regardless, it’s omega depressing seeing how useless JP2 is. Shion is more a vtweeter than she is a vtuber and Aqua is the type to say good morning, gonna do my best! Then disappear until the next day only for the same thing to repeat. And if it’s not that, she’s mentally/physically unstable to stream.

It’s bad enough JP3 is basically down to 3 people now that Marine is likely never to recover enough to stream consistently, but JP2 literally going down to 2 members is awful to look at.

>>19787332
>3/4ths of the EN girls will likely collab with them
Can't wait for the homoshits to literally get STARRed. Not even Bae will give them as many collabs as Fubuki gave them.

>>19787332
>all of the IDs
Doubt Moona will. She's a mega introvert, I don't recall any collab from her other than Pekora, Subaru and the ID girls (other than the scuffled 2020 ones which she suffered from even more mega autism)

>>19786548
All the primarily Hololive fans who watched them out of Unity left after the discord leaks.

>>19787332
>3/4ths
i can only see mori and bea definitely collabing with a maybe from kiara and mumei

>>19787397
Funny thing? Except Shion, all of the JP2 girls got gold in February with Aqua carrying the month in the median of peak CCV montly ranking.

What they lack is not usefulness but consistency and constancy. Ironically the only one that has both is
>Choco
but she got nerfed hard by Youtube in her growing days and ended up stunted

>>19787397
>It’s bad enough JP3 is basically down to 3 people now that Marine is likely never to recover enough to stream consistently, but JP2 literally going down to 2 members is awful to look at.
Seems like a JP7 is going to be coming sooner than later

>>19785060
1M VODs are really hard to get. Ina only has her debut and her 2 songs. Ame only has her debut, Myth or Treat, the first Myth collab that was on her channel, and the 3D 1st anniversary which was on her channel. Kiara has her songs,AM FROG, and the Uno collab where she talked about shitting her pants, that's it, not even her debut is quite 1M. Mori's channel is weird and you can't sort by best but I really doubt she has any 1M stuff besides her songs and debut.

over/under on number of HoloEN streams today (counting Kiara's Y0 stream earlire and Mori's Elden Ring stream later) at 4.

>>19787573
>and the Uno collab where she talked about shitting her pants
Funny coincidence

>>19787485
It was really looking like the return of something great with Aqua back, but then she just fucked off the face of the planet. And with Ayame it’s just so ridiculous and that it’s been so long that everyone just doesn’t even care anymore. Her last reasoning was that she was depressed her singing didn’t get better during lessons. Like, that’s it? That’s the reason for taking 6+ months off and counting? It’s really a slap in the face to people like Choco/Subaru who put time in, day in day out, while ALSO appearing in events and Holo obligations.

I really wish Choco would get the Aki-like bump. I remember her no-lifing APEX last year and she really seemed like a fun streamer to turn on. I had her MC streams in the background too sometimes

>>19787407
Moona will do group collab stuff if Ollie brings her along, like Phasmo, Mario Kart, Apex ect but yeah 1 on 1 is not likely.

>>19787573

>>19787970
Nice, but remember that was during Myth peak (and vtuber industry in general?)
Also with Music is easier to stack views than streams.

Maybe I'm wrong or retarded.

>>19783573
what are the green/others?

Are these like short clips?

>>19787657
Nazigumi was hurt by Hololive popularity the most. They were just inkya brats playing videogames for shits and giggles but in a few months they were suddenly streaming to international audience and thousands of people which brought army of antis to them and they obviously can't handle it. You can how see their activity was drastically dropping since Holocaust to its current state.

>>19787970
Outfit, ASMR (forgot she used to even do that), 1M event stream, and the Walfie models.

Meanwhile Gura has 32 non-event 1M VODs and 9 event/song ones. Crazy.

>>19786634
>I honestly think all the collabs with the males had a minor but significant impact on their numbers.
time for a self-imposed collab ban

>>19788326
Don't forget too, a ton of those vods are in the 1.7/1.8M range too. Most just barely crack that 1M mark but Gura's vods are inching to 2M. She's just ridiculously cracked.
I just went and checked and didn't even realize that her Henry Stickmin VOD has 1.7M.

>>19781152
Most normal people don't shit talk other people in a different company, instead they're more likely to shit talk their co-workers

>>19788278
did they get cancelled because of the swastika?

>>19788326
>32 non-event 1M VODs
This number honestly feels insane. Like I'm a fucking gurafag and I'll go "oh dear it looks like this VOD won't make it to 400k fuck" then you look at other holos and they barely ever break that much on anything that's not a 10 hour endurance stream.
Peko and Gura are really something else to be able to get such chunky VODs. Who else is a titan of VODs? Miko?

>>19788540
This. Normal people would just shittalk their coworkers or their bosses.

>>19788653
Imagine being in an industry where there's only like..50 other people that do your job at any meaningful level. Those are basically your coworkers. If you work at Walmart 2600 you don't give a fuck about what people are Walmart 2601 are doing but if you're an aardvark conservationist you probably know what all the other people in your field are up to and have opinions on them.

>>19788608
I just checked and I think all of her videos now are at least half a million views (500k).

I think the lowest I seen are shill stream that gets 200k after it ended but even that gets views over time.

>>19781152
M-mano aloe..

>>19788608
The craziest Gura stat is that excluding sponsored vods (1 I believe), Gura has only 2 vods below 300k in over a year. Yes, her next set of <300k vods start in April of 2021.

2 fucking vods below 300k. Where even Pekora, who’s the best comparison you can get to Gura, has 4 vods below 300k in this month alone. It just goes to show how much presence Gura has in the vtuber world

>>19788608
The only other Holo I can think of that can hang with Pego and Gura consistently is Marine.

>>19788792
With default YouTube it eventually cuts off after so many videos, so you won't see the very bottom ones. Type "Gura super metroid" or "gura portal" into the search if you want to see some of her clunkers.

>>19788792
No, you probably went to Gura's channel and just sorted by popular then scroll down. It's not a perfect system, youtube doesn't show you everything. And yes it stops at the 500k VODs but she has quite a few that never reached that much

>>19789024
^This month as in the last 30 days, not in March itself*

>>19789075
Probably the worst performing Gura stream of all time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztBs-2I6AMw

>>19789115
I see that and raise you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeTy-o1q5dU&t=4427s

>>19789024
>It just goes to show how much presence Gura has in the vtuber world
Alright chief, first off, easy on the Pekora negative comparisons. You don't want the thread to explode in ye olde loope.

Second off, why is it that only /#/ seems to be surprised by the fact that yeah, Gura is the world's most popular vtuber?

>>19789204
Anon..yours has more views and is shorter. It performed better.

>>19789075
Oh, I didnt know that.

>>19789115
Yeah, even I get filtered by metroid.

>>19785060
>>19787573
Anons, we saw it live, everyone from council hit 1 million views several times on their debut.

Kronii hit it 5 fucking times till Susan finally let that stream pass 1 million.

That August YT applied both the Subscriber cull and the most visible vod viewer cull to date.

>>19789226
you won't ever convince that anon that his tone is shit and it clearly diminishes the accomplishments of other holos
he'll just say he respects peko or some bullshit, just let him suck gura dick and ignore him

>>19789024
>Chumbaby
>VODcope
Jesus fucking Christ, how many times do we need to put into your thick heads that only CCV and SC matters

We're having a very civil chat in dead hours. Please don't bite.

>>19788265
It's anything that isn't a stream or a song, so yes it's mainly shorts but there are a few video uploads that aren't really shorts, like this video from Marine https://youtu.be/tqLcXOfy3Sk

>>19788791
Imagine being an aspiring singer with 207 other singers in one record company. You regularly interact and talk with your coworkers yet you shit talk about this other record company with 61 singers even though you barely interacted with and they probably don't know you existed. The only interaction is that you were rejected from the other company, Anon they're living rent free.

>>19788608
Kuzuha was the only one in the Vtuber world that kept close to Pekora but, for a bit both of them combined didn't have as many as Gura.

Marine's the queen of events though and she eventually passed him.
Kuzuha now is at 15, but with this stream just 75 views away from 1 million.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yva28FzjLhA

>>19789432
>we

>>19787332
Holostars WON'T be able to collab with anyone from Nijisanji (either Luxiem/Noctyx or the girls).

Holostars WON'T be able to collab with anyone from Hololive (except MAYBE Bae).

They will only be able to collab with Vshojo and other Twitch indie leeches and that's ONLY if they get decent viewership by themselves (let's say 1-3K at least).

I don't see a reason why Holostars EN will have higher viewership than JP.
You have to realise that Nijisanji gets viewers from asian women, a demographic that's pretty much almost non-existent for Hololive and especially Holostars.

>>19789432
>CCV and SC
>one is demonstrably fucked with by Youtube and the other is a small fraction of the potential revenue streams afforded to this industry
So is this just you admitting that numbers don't matter, or are you a faggot?

>>19783573
Just want to mention that Choco Does have a 1million+ view video.
Her 360 ASMR on her sub channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7vOimsaTWI

>>19789355
Well it doesn't matter, those views aren't coming back. I imagine a certain % of views, especially for big events, are legit bots, or at least sufficiently shady that YouTube is willing to remove them from existence and not even pay out on them for VODs.

As for why people do this with bots? My guess is they're trying to "launder" them by making them view popular or trending streams to make them appear to have a normal view pattern and try to avoid getting culled by youtube when they actually employ them for their intended purpose (shilling crypto or whatever). They probably have a script that just sends them to randomly watch big videos or popular live streams. I also imagine this is where a lot of the "deadsubs" for popular content creators come from. That's how you can have people with millions and millions of subs and getting 40k VODs. It's abandoned accounts, bots and other crap like that.

you guys aren't even pretending anymore, huh?

>>19787332
>political sperg /here/tubers
It'd be funny if eristocracytv somehow gets to interview StarsEN. I think she's the only polituber in existence that is a 3view.

>>19789634
At least then it was clear YT bot detection had no clue how to detect bots, it was just a simple
if greater than 10% for subs, 100k, 1, or 10 million for views it applied a reduction.
It was an instant reduction too, clearly no chickening was happening.
Both bots are better now at least.

>>19789594
Who cares about VOD views? That meme metric doesn't make any money when everyone has adblock and her SC is abysmal.
Now look at Vox
>20k CCV
>Nearly 30k SCs
This is what not dead subs and loyal paying viewers look like. Dead subs meme queen with her reclining 17k avg ccv and abysmal SCs only can dream of getting Vox numbers

>>19789586
it's kind of funny how the retards still dont understand that most of the views from the boys are from SEA, Japan and China

>>19789586
It all comes down to designs. They seriously will need designs that aren't complete fuckboy nonsense.

Don't cross the Mysta line, really. Mysta is kind of a fuckboy, but his design is striking and good. Luca is fine too. Stuff like Oga, Aruran, Belmond. That's what they'll need to catch a half decent western (male) audience.

>>19789024
Gura's debit stream is also very close to hitting 5 million. An insane number.

>>19789886
Viewers are viewers and they pay too so that makes them better than poorfag NA viewers who don't SC or buy merch

>>19789854
Laying it on too thick.

>>19789854
Go away Fungus

>the anti VOD schizo was a nijinigger
how surprising

>>19789537
Very few of them speak Japanese or care about the JP branch, other EN streamers are much more relevant to them. I'm not saying some of them aren't bitter seething assholes like Fulgur, but even if they were all perfect angels it's still more natural for them to care more about other EN vtubers, especially the industry giants (Holo EN, the top 3 Vshoujo).

>>19789977
I'm not saying it's worse. It's more that there's anons and fans in general who think most are westerns when even the own vtubers said that most of their audience are in asia. Vox, Mysta, Ike said iirc. Luca is the only one who seems to still have a big public in NA time doing over 10k sometimes depending on stream.

In small but inclining fast new, that 2 month old, polyglot chuuba that looks at spanish shitposts got to 40k subs and is getting 1k CCV regularly.

Woah hold up, nijigirls are beating the boys!

>>19790166
Reimu, Petra, Elira, Pomu, Selen, Rosemi, Fulgur, Millie, Shu, Ike are all nijisanji fans. Fulgur and Selen are clipfags though. The others weren't fans before, although they became more closer like Enna and Nina. Not that this is much relevant anyway.

>>19789971
I feel the duolingo will reach 2m before the debut stream reach 5m

Disgusting

>>19790403
kek

>>19790225
Speaks English? Possible pickup for Niji or Holo.

>>19785118
Everytime I come into numbers threads (once every couple months) I see the most retarded takes on Inui imaginable

>>19789977
They didn't say it's worse, but you need to know your market. It's why people thought the NijiEN boys wouldn't do well because the predominate assumption was they'd be EN for EN viewers rather than soaking up thirst asian fujos.

>>19790466
She speaks 5 languages including english and japanese. She wanted to create her own agency so i doubt it

>>19790225
isn't this the reincarnation of a polyglot chubba? She already had the fanbase and now she has more with many clips inclining her

>>19790260
wait till milord stream bitch

>>19783573
Watame going to slowly catch up to Marine with her weekly shorts. 4 days ago and almost 1 mil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Of-GJ4ts8

>>19782248
Sir, this is /vt/, you need to stop making sense now.

>>19790636
shit up vox

>>19790403
I think you got lost
>>>/vt//lig/

>>19790403
the twitch vtuber meta is the funnies shit

>>19782248
>Upvoted

>>19790260
No idea why people said that Alban guys model was a buff, to me he looks like one of those people who's mom drank a lot while they were pregnant. Weirdly small and misshapen head, and the faux cat ears don't help. Not surprised he's one of the weaker ones.

>>19790748
IT was an nitial buff
comapred to the other 5 his model is best.
But if you dont have the content then you dont have it.

>>19790260
>Selen having fun with apex and not being menhera
>Pomu doing a soulful karaoke

Damn it's almost like doing the content you are good for brings the numbers

>>19790519
It's just one schizo saying the same thing over and over.

>>19790839
pfff hahahaha
pomus karaokes are barely a buff and selene reclined on her apex numberwise.
nothing bad with enjoyinh it, but it is not a good sign for her solo streams. I belive pomu got more with fucking yu gi oh

>>19790748
I mean, compared to the others he does have the best model. That's not saying much, but still.

>>19790748
Noctyx's designs are so bad Alban looks the best in comparison, if you compare him to luxiem or even some nijigirls he'd still be the worst.

https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1500999777277956102
Is it fair to say this sold well?

>>19791017
Yeah, didn't only Kiara fail to clear house? Shame we'll never know how well

>>19790910
I'm not saying they are amazing numbers, just above their usual average recently

First yugioh stream is always a buff tho

>>19791017
More like Omocat and Cover managed to scam people out of their money by not having stock in the first place.

>>19782248
Not him but this analogy is mangled and is strained to begin with because corporate officers and entertainers have very different relationships, roles, and obligations re corporations and consumers. To adopt your (deeply flawed) analogy, the present situation is more like if employees talked shit at an after party, accidentally recorded it, and then accidentally conveyed it to a hot mic at the next day of the fair.

>>19790260
I thought singing streams were buff content. How come Pomu only got 3k?

>>19791193
3k is buff content. Can't you see she's even mogging Luxiem and Noctyx, who make AS MUCH AS HOLOJP?

Do not mock Pomu's valiant effort during this all out war

>>19790748
Alban's model was traditionally cuter than the other four. The pre-debut videos on twitter also showed that his model also happened to be the best-rigged one.
Of course, all of that couldn't stop him from being more boring than fucking Yugo of all people.

>>19791115
That's not how scams work

>>19791017
When will Omocat do merch for Luxiem? I'm guessing NijiEN management and her are in talk right now.

>>19791296
Yes of course anon, any moment now omocat will start selling merch to the chinks

Did all the HoloFes ads have this or is it safe to say that Gura will always be associated with her Duolingo stream?

>>19791259
I have checked alban's stream in certain occasions and everytime he is just talking and thanking supas, feels like i'm watching male watame

>>19791350
That Duolingo stream still appears in my recs some times.

are IRyS goods selling alright?

>>19791350
Holy shit lmfao

>>19791350
>duolingo stream reference
lmao they really loved that stream
shame she cancelled the second one

>>19791296
There's probably plenty of chink bootleg Luxiem merch out there for you to get.

8:30 PM EST. No ENs streaming. Only Kiara has streamed all day. We have (1) mediocre Kronii streaming upcoming. 2/11 people. They need to rush EN3. I'm talking like...May not July.

>>19791246
>shitters mogging shitters
Yawn. Wake me when she gets 5k again

Is there a way to numberfag Omocat x Myth?

>>19791444
>shame she cancelled the second one

Postponed, supposedly.

>>19785275
Risu should start being more active. Looks like her home issues are starting to get resolved.

>>/vt/thread/S18828146#p18832816
>>/vt/thread/S16907255#p17074824

>>19791497
HoloBR/PT when?

>>19791497
3/11 Mori is streaming in 12 hours.

>>19791563
You can go by what sold out and what is getting restocked, but it might come down to some things being able to be manufactured quicker than others so who knows how reliable that is. For the early sales it seemed to be Gura>Ina>Ame=Mori>Kiara in terms of popularity.

>>19791350
When do you think NijiEN will have this big ass promotion all over Japan?

We all see Gura, Myth and even Council get plastered all over TV and newspaper already. Even HoloID have their fair share as well.

>>19791497
Not sure where everyone is. Is myth really getting dragged down by 3rd fes?

>>19791630
12 hours is tomorrow for EN's audience.

>>19791246
Fauna getting twice her normal viewers is buff content. Whatever Pomu's doing is just sad.

>>19791627
Hopefully never.

>>19791431
Only found this >>19746043

>>19791497
they don't have to rush EN3, THEY, JUST, NEED, TO SECURE, STREAMERS WHO ACTUALLY STREAMS. they should consider taking all the timeslots aswell.

I want a consistent streaming gen, come on Yagoo.

>>19791676
Only 2 weeks left now, i'd imagine this is the time to get some work done for it.

>>19791676
There's only so much they can do for prep and the JP girls that aren't on medical reserve are still streaming at a reasonably normal pace. It's just a confluence of bad luck I think.

Kiara streamed
Mori break day
Ina break day
Gura ????
Ame ???

IRyS resting from birthday

Bae vacation
Kronii streaming
Fauna ???
Mumei internet fucked
Sana

>>19791806
Why not switch to NijiEN if you want constant streams then?

>>19791431
IRyS Birthday Celebration 2022
Birthday Merch Complete Set 469 $105.00 $49,245.00
The Desk MatRyS(Rubber Mat) 90 $25.00 $2,250.00
The MugRyS(Mug) 111 $33.00 $3,663.00
The DollRyS(Plushie) 167 $41.00 $6,847.00
Situation Voice "Chilling after a Stream" 44 $9.00 $396.00
$62,401.00

>>19791841
Today is the usual break day for Gura, she did a members yesterday and that was the last stream on her schedule.

Kiara just recommended a song to Pomu. Seems like the yab is irrelevant.
>>19790260
Alban, Fulgur and Uki can all get more numbers if they stream earlier in SEA/JST time. Otherwise they will get between 2k-3k most of the times like the other luxiem that stream at that time. Except Luca in buff stream like horror games where he gets 10k, ofc. But in his beginning, Luca and a lot of luxiem were doing similar numbers.
If they go to early morning time, they can get 8-6k like Yugo is getting

>Selen at 3.8K
>Pomu at 3.2K

Inclining?
Will we get the legendary 3K median from one of the Niji girls in March?

>>19791858
Probably because half those streams are filled with the faggots from Luxiem and the whole Niji EN fanbase is unbearable at this point. It's not worth slogging through all that just to get a few good streams.

>>19782248
NTA, but given your example exactly, I really don't think any of those employees would catch any flak depending on the accuracy of the statements. The other thing being "shit-talking" doing a lot of heavy lifting in your claims but it's high up in the replies so I'll argue as if it was true.

> Heh, Google is feelling really threatened, their new cloud offering is not performing as well as the previous and our new product is blowing theirs out of the water
Unlike Cover's expectations for Council, a tech company's expectations for their product is clear and consumer expectations ever clearer. If Google came out shit cloud product twice in a row screwing over their consumers, and AWS employees were caught shittalking them at a trade fair I can guarantee you me and all my co-workers would be cheering them on.

>Yeah, and the revenue of our star cloud product is almost at the level of their average one
Literally just a true/false statement.

>Yeah yeah, and all that downtime their cloud had last month, good thing you guys have me here to keep it from happening
The only thing press worthy here would be the guy thinking he can uphold the tech of an entire company by himself. AWS is down for 2 seconds and people start shitting on them publicly, albeit undeserved. When Apple had bendy iphones, everyone made fun of them publicly.

The only difference in your example and the vtuber industry, is that the consumers of the vtuber industry gaslight themselves into inferior products or thinking that competition doesn't exist. Sure, Apple fanboys got really mad at people making fun of them. But literally everyone else just took it for granted. Another difference, although not really a difference and more of a byproduct or consumers being cultists, is that inter-company connections matter much more. It is far more difficult to move their market share by offering a superior product. Finally, streaming is also a parasocial relationship, and people have various reasons for supporting whoever they want to support. Holo in particular, and Niji too, have fans that hate being confrontational. When you're trying to sap market share from the majority in a market like vtubers, you have to play by their rules or make your own market.

>1 millions views please

Goddamn pomu, i know you like kiara but you don't need to shill your cover as hard as her

>>19791858
Because nobody watches NIjiEN girls anon

>>19791858
>Why don't you eat dirt if you are hungry?

>>19791918
If Selen did nothing but Apex for a month she could average that but since she feels compelled to mix up her content it won't happen. Pomu won't because she can't do buff content every day, she has Yugioh tomorrow which is good but then a Zatsu the day after which will get like 1200 or something.

>>19791958
STFU
what Kiara and Pomu are doing is commendable

shill the shit out of your streams/covers/merch
the moment you make streaming/singing your job you HAVE to play the game of numbers

>>19791889
>Birthday Merch Complete Set 469 $105.00 $49,245.00
This is about 20 hours after merch went live, not bad

>>19791858
You already know why anon. The same reason telling someone in the Niji general during dead hours to watch a Holo stream is a foolish endeavor, as rare as that situation comes up.

>>19791841
Yeah this is Gura’s break day. Finished schedule and is taking her usual 2-3 days off. Ame has been doing late night guerillas lately so prob expect that. Apart from that all seem to be just a stroke of bad luck like you said. Mori’s stream Elden Ring in the morning though right?

>>19791858
why would i watch bitter people who acts all nice in public, but are actually nasty gossipers?

>>19792088
I wonder what that general consists of because their anons can't be the same like the rest of 4chan.

>>19791889
good, but imagine how mucvh better it would be with the VRyS doll instead

Superchats over last 10 streams, vox vs holomyth

>>19792088
Usually posts like those get nuked for off topic posting, same thing happens if you try that in global tbf

>>19792132
stop posting that aboriginal whore in the NUMBERS thread

>>19792141
I will always be pissed about that poll in September or October, missed opportunity

>>19792171
go Vox go!

>>19789226
>Second off, why is it that only /#/ seems to be surprised by the fact that yeah, Gura is the world's most popular vtuber?
It flies in the face of what the retards in this thread believe to be the most relevant metric to determine who is popular (CCV) and will lash out if you make any claims that does against their horse race dogma.

>>19792133
The nijieni's full of women during Luxiem hours and full of pomudachi and crossdressing rosebuds during dead hours

>>19792171
MY LORD!
I KNEEL...

>>19791193
3k is good. Not even Hachi and Hanatan could get that numbers consistently.

>>19792171
Can I see the Council comparison? t. fungus

>>19792279
I mean, Pomu can't either. She's a 2k streamer. Still good, by Niji En standards.

>>19792316
mr. fungal please leave Council alone
don't kick them while they are down

>>19792321
Faggot, NijiEN is 15 Vox.
They are all 21k Streamers and earn $80k per month

>>19792133
We become /soc/ during Nijimale hours

>>19792316
It's not that bad actually, where council/nijien lose to Myth is in CCV, but they don't really pull a lot of supas

>>19786841
Watame carrying gen 4.

>>19792279
>Hachi
What's her usual median again? 1-1.5k? It's still pretty good considering she's an indie
>Hanatan
How many people are even aware that she's now back and more active on youtube?

>>19792475
rat carrying hard council

>>19792475
Now do Noctyx vs Council

>>19791091
>First yugioh stream is always a buff tho
nigga yu gi are alwasy above average except for the boys.
rosemis all yu gi streams are above pomus today karaoke

>>19792541
hachi been averaging 2.5k on her usual friday streams. she did break 3k last week.

>>19792669
Harder to do since Noctyx only started getting superchats like 2-3 streams ago

>>19792669
just look at the previous graph, vox is losing for only 10k$ which it's funny to say considering we need at least more than 4 holoen to do that

>>19792845
oh wait i'm retarded i didn't read correctly nvm

When do you think Vox will get his viral moment? He is already the most popular male vtuber in the world already, but one viral moment can blow him up past the likes of Corpse or Sykkuno.

>>19792475
What currency are you using for this? This isn't in dollars.

>>19792321
Pomu is a 2.5K streamer
get it right holotranny, she's inclining

>>19792203
What if i do anyway, what can you possibly do other than calling me names?
>whore
your Mothe- i mean your Oshi.

>>19792475
Jeez how far did you have to go back to find 10 Sana streams?

>>19793141
Debut

>>19792958
>most popular VTUBER in the world
ftfy.

>>19791404
You say that as if Watame's superchat readings are boring, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

I just woke up to dreaming a Virtu academy member getting 460k CCV and $286k in Superchats...

>>19792845
With Vox and Mysta and Luca so successful why is Noxis so crappy? Is it because they were just rejects that got called back and given whatever random models were sitting around? I imagine the next wave will be better thought out with more credible applicants.

Okay, one anon here should go work for either Cover or Anykara so they can leak internal financial documents for either company. Numberfagging SCs is getting boring.

>>19793190
that title still belongs to Ironmouse and the KING
>Ironmouse
>KING
>Vox
>Pakora
>Gura

>>19792669
Noctyx haven't streamed 10 streams though anon

>>19793190
Oh sorry, I was kinda distracted. But you're right, he is actually the most successful vtuber in the world. Why are men always so successful at a profession where women started?