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19749962 No.19749962 [Reply] [Original]

Post the instances that made you seriously reconsider your choice of oshi.

>> No.19749984
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19749984

This is when I realised that the HIME OF FOURCHAN and the MEME QUEEN SHORK were nothing more than r*dditoids

>> No.19750289

>>19749962
when I heard mumei's choice of songs

>> No.19750374

I'm posting nothing because I have only grown stronger in believing in my oshi the more I learn about her behind the scenes and the more time passes. She has a good heart and has helped people out of dark places even when she was at her worst mental state and seeing her slowly overcome her traumas makes me proud. I love my daughter.

>> No.19750534
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Today's birthday, because she is too perfect and I won't be able to find no one even remotely similar to her. I will be always dissapointed in real life if she keeps being way she are

>> No.19750558

>>19750374
Haachama a shit
Dead horse beater

>> No.19750758

>>19750558
Not my oshi. I'm sorry to hear that; I hope you feel better one day.

>> No.19750974
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19750974

*doesn't care*
I thought they were friends...

>> No.19751036

None yet.

>> No.19751185

She played a video made by the most disgusting fandiscord of hers on stream. Then discordfags raided the general and sperged out. It was a dark day.

>> No.19751201

>>19750974
Yeah, why did Rushia betray the trust of her genmates and threatened their livelihood and careers because she was simping on some singer? I thought they were friends..

>> No.19751367

My oshi Enna thinks the american Cardcaptors OP is good. She has shit taste sometimes but that one really stuck out to me.

>> No.19751383

>>19750374
who

>> No.19751466
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19751466

she'll stream soon... right?

>> No.19751497

Haato when she started pandering to *eddit. I will sub again when she stops pretending to be a character from DDLC

>> No.19751510
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19751510

The first time I heard these two songs in succession I thought AZKi got mogged beyond belief, but I don't really feel that way nowadays. I don't think I've ever listened to Mori again since hearing Haru though.

>> No.19751541

>>19750558
You never been an Haaton... That's fine but please realize Haachama never truly was your oshi.

>> No.19751647

>>19751383
Aqua.

>> No.19751852

>>19751383
Sana

>> No.19751872
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19751872

The only time my fatith waivers is when I am reminded of her leaving one day

>> No.19751949

>>19751872
excuse my esl im still waking up

>> No.19752124

>anon posts his oshi
>one of the 10 hololive english talents
wow so original

>> No.19752223

>>19752124
>anon posts his "contribution" to the thread
>one of the 10 variants of meta posting
wow so original

>> No.19752248

>>19751185
Elira?

>> No.19752310

>>19751497
>I will sub again when she stops pretending to be a character from DDLC
So never then?

>> No.19752330

>>19751185
bae...

>> No.19752518

Ina keep lying and never makes up for it. She's been caught multiple times not living up to her own promises to which she just meekly apologizes for but never learns from.

>> No.19752584

>>19749962
Ayame
Never streams

>> No.19753049
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19753049

No such moment. If anything, the more time passes, the more I realize how wonderfully perfect and good she is.
Fubuki love!

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19753213

She proved the doubts were misguided though.

>> No.19753307

>>19753213
You should've believed in her. 35p

>> No.19753459

>>19749962
>choice of oshi
You guys really like setting yourselves up for disappointment.
You wanna know something interesting?

>> No.19753530
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19753530

It was member-only karaoke. (maybe it was un-archived, I don't remember now)

But I'm so tired of her unpreparedness. Why can't she prepare at least setlist, and not sit and choose for 15 minutes what song she wants to sing. Even if sing extremely badly we can deal what it was practice, but she will at least prepare.

I guess I was a fake-hooman after all, but I left owl behind me and went my own way.
I don't trust this owl anymore.

>> No.19753562

After a while I realized Ina's depression is a constant companion

Ya gotta take the good with the bad

Only a fool has never had his faith tested

>> No.19754311

>>19751497
We talking about oshi, not generally liking. She clearly never been your oshi.

>> No.19754399

>>19753459
This. You can't "choose" your oshi. Must be come naturally. It's a realization of a feeling not a rational picking.

>> No.19756744

>>19751367
Americans have a weird stockholdm syndrome wit their original OPs

>> No.19756774

>>19751647
BASED BASED BASED
AKUA LOVE AKUA LOVE

>> No.19756917

>>19754399
I agree and disagree.
It's definitely a feeling, similar to having a waifu. but it's also a conscious decision to make that vtuber your oshi. You can hvae the feeling but it's also possible for you to decide for one reason or another that the vtuber can't be your oshi or can. It's a mix of both.

>> No.19757064

The last time I wavered was during Christmas karaoke relay.
That was the first moment I've ever been genuinely pissed off at her and just seethed like never before.
Her hiatuses never pissed me off or anything, in fact since she was and will always be the only one I watch I kina pushed myself away from hololive, unsubbed from all the clippers and all holo channels when she went on her first break.
Now I'm only subbed to her, matuli, melmel and aki.

>> No.19757164

>>19757064
You were seething because your oshi went on a break over christmas? Are you okay, buddy?

>> No.19757191

>>19754399
Having an oshi is like being in love, either you feel it or you don't

>> No.19759350

>>19753530
just call her a lazy slut already anon

>> No.19760082

>>19757164
anon are you retarded? I literally said it was during the karaoke relay so she obviously streamed, also haachama did stream on Christmas
I was pissed off at what she did during the relay, everyone was clam, nice cute christmasy songs then chammers came in and did that, normally I wouldn't mind it but when it's a relay like this I'd rather she stuck to the theme
that was the only time i was ever genuinely mad at her as a huge huge fan

>> No.19760314

It's always comforting when I realize I'm not as mentally ill as some of the others on this board.

>> No.19760357

>>19749962
Ooof I remember this one, it was quite bad. Even worse were the retards commenting how happy they were about the meme review "finding a new home".

>> No.19760661
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>>19749984
>>19749962
What the fuck did you expect? They got like 10 memes from unfunny twitter users filtered by management for safe broadcasting. It's not like they were gonna review unfunny /vt/ screencaps and unfunny schizo pics.
Reviewing memes has never been funny. The only way would ever be hunerous is if they just mocked how bad and unfunny the memes are.

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>>19749962
>wavering
>ever
lol. lmao even.

>> No.19760825

>>19749984
To be completely fair I'm pretty sure from memory she planned to rate them as funny/not funny/cringe but almost immediately after the stream started dropped the idea (probably the right move as funny as it would have been) likely because it would have obviously been a bad idea to laugh at her fans many of whom will be cripplingly autistic and sensitive

>> No.19760872

>>19749962
>his oshi is Mumei
how can a sentient being have such poor taste?

>> No.19761072

Mori cuck incident. I gave her a second chance after she instantly unfollowed all Nijiniggers once news broke out.

>> No.19761089
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19761089

>getting upset at your oshi
The problem is (you) for not encouraging them to improve. Wavering is only gonna make them wonder what they're doing wrong, and leaving them means you're probably a tourist that only uses oshi ironically.

Anyway Fubuki has done nothing but make me smile. Love FBK. Simple as.
>>19753049
Friend spotted. Hi friend!

>> No.19761149

>>19749984
If Gura went full 4chan shitting on submissions it would have been in bad taste for her. It was a shit video though, she had no enthusiasm and there was a lot of decent memes she could have picked that wouldn't break management's back.

>> No.19761431

>>19753530
Mumei's got college, she's got the most understandable reason to be busy and unprepared out of anyone in Hololive. Holding it against her is a dick move on your part.
Also for comparison's sake
>Mori is busy
>Bitches about it for the duration of her stream
>Constantly talks about changing stream schedule and content because of it
>Always moody after any work

>Sana is busy
>Just fucking disappears

>Gura is busy
>Catches some form of the black death
>Streams less and becocmes low energy for half a month

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>>19761089
Hi friend! Glad there are other friends here who share my sentiment!

>> No.19761929

>>19751367
Fuck you the dub Cardcaptors OP was kino

>> No.19761994

>>19751367
I like it out of nostalgia. But I feel the same for pretty much all of the english openings of shows in that era.

>> No.19762071

>>19753459
That she's a lovely girl outside the stream by being such a lovely girl she found company? We all know that and we don't care because agape is stronger than rrats. Go back to your hole, nijinigger.

>> No.19762154

>>19751510
It's understandable. Haru and KAF's voice match perfectly and they probably been singing together for years.
>I don't think I've ever listened to Mori again since hearing Haru though.
Mori is a pretty low standard that it isnt worth compare to. Still, her writing skills and rhyme games are good tho

>> No.19762510

Pikamee going way to personal on a few stream with the same story in a bad way to superchat bait

>> No.19762563

>>19762071
>>19754399
FFS, answer the question.
Say what? with an unamused tone so I can continue my shitpost.
Stuff it, I'll continue since you ruined the mood.
>Why do you think it is called GFE?

>> No.19762635
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>>19761072
She refollowed

>> No.19762891

>>19762563
Faggot

>> No.19762993

>>19754311
Maybe he liked akai haato?

>> No.19763000

>>19749962
https://youtu.be/6-1TDCCCIYE

>> No.19763056

>>19762635
DAMN IT! NO! NO! NO! FUCK! I'M UNSUBBING AGAIN! FUCK! NOTHING IS GOING RIGHT TODAY! FUUUUUUUCK

>> No.19763077

>>19762891
Because you'll get fucked eventually.

>> No.19763261

Sometimes she says some pandering shit like, I have no romantic experience or leans really hard into the fake kissing which really takes me out of it.

>> No.19763356

>>19763077
>because you'll get fucked eventually.
One day my oshi's gonna graduate, but I wouldn't consider that getting fucked.
Unless you're implying everyones a Rushia tier gachikoi and everyone's oshi WILL pull a Rushia. Which in that case >>19762891

>> No.19763459

>>19763056
Anyone who reacts like you did deserves to be miserable, but fuck it. She only refollowed Vox (aka the snake who definitely begged his way back in) and some of the girls hit by the driveby. Fugly is still on her shitlist

>> No.19763461 [SPOILER] 
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This one. I will never forgive gura for this one.

>> No.19763513

>>19763356
Show's over, no encore.

>> No.19763571

>>19763459
>Fugly is still on her shitlist
Did she even follow him in the first place? I checked his list and Ollie is the only holo he follows (LAM association).

>> No.19763617

>>19763459
>Anyone who reacts like you did deserves to be miserable
>gives him more r(h)ope to hang himself with later
Checks out

>> No.19763697

>>19749962
??? this was the best meme review in ages

>> No.19763881

>>19763459
>>19763571
She never followed Fulgur in the first place, and Fulgur never followed anyone except for Ollie. Ollie still has Fulgur followed by the way.

>> No.19763885

>>19749962
When council decided two weeks after debut they would only stream in NA prime time and do nothing about dead hours. Fuck em

>> No.19764037

>>19763885
Pray gen 3 has EU members.
3/5 council members are NA and one of the two Aussies doesn't even stream.

>> No.19764171

>>19764037
It would be a huge misstep if they don't. Kiara and more recently NijiEN have proven there's a market for that timezone

>> No.19764733

>>19753530
thats a really wierd reason to get upset at someone

>> No.19765989

>>19751466
Look at her twitter schedule. There's your answer.

>> No.19766053

>>19752518
I watch her esporadically, and I haven't seen anything like that. At most her making fun of fans and apologizing, but not promises and lies.

>> No.19766153

>>19763885
Their choice is between "Make money" and "Don't make money".

>> No.19766173

>>19752518
Is she as bad about it as Mori?

>> No.19766260

>>19763885
Dead hours are dead for a reason.

>> No.19766269

>>19764037
It would be smart for ENstars to have someone British or someone French, American girls love those accents.
A couple japs would be good too so that way they can collab with the new their stars. But also some Americans since that is going to be he biggest demographic so hours still matter.

>> No.19766272

>>19761431
>comparing mumei to mori
That's not a fair comparison anon and you know it.
At least Mumei likes hololive.

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>> No.19766440

>>19749962
Reject all weeb simp pandering corporations. Embrace your gods.

>> No.19767563

>>19763461
Why is there no sound when I play this?

>> No.19767938
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19767938

Ayame when she said she browses TikTok often and likes to post videos on it.

>> No.19768168

>>19750974
They were friends until flare could no longer leech from her.

>> No.19768245

>>19751466
Feel like shit, just want her back

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>>19762510
>turned off superchats on her return stream where she revealed a close family member committed suicide
What did he mean by this?

>> No.19770089

>>19763461
Source>?

>> No.19775792

>>19761801
>>19761089
>>19753049
great respect
not one myself because I don't understand japanese

>> No.19775944

>>19749962
what was wrong with this?

>> No.19776091

https://streamable.com/rsjfdh
I can't believe she did this

>> No.19776237

>>19776091
wait, what the fuck? why was this allowed?

>> No.19776276

>>19749962

When i discovered they only do good content in sub only streams, fucking retards that applaud this

>> No.19776675

>>19775944
Really REALLY bad/bland memes, can't even blame the managers on this one, mumei's filter is worse than theirs. Then she decided to be an even worse wet blanket and decided to categorize them not un funny or not, but "valid/not valid" or something like that iirc. To top it off, her opinions on what was "valid" heavily clashed with chat.

>> No.19777251

>>19776675
meme reviews are just kind of shitty and lazy. I don't come to streams to see mediocre memes. Biggest problem I had with Kson was her dogshit meme reviews, though some of the interactions she had with guests were legitimately funny.

>> No.19777909
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>>19766053
Ina never made fun of her fans. She only mocked Mori's antis (which is why nobody even knew why she was apologizing for until way later, and that was because she felt bad doing even that).
What she instead would do is say she'll do something only to have it fade into obscurity or outright contradict herself later.
>Has made multiple requests to members for input on membership streams (and has done none of them)
>Flips between "recovering" and "burnt-out" every week since the year began
>Keeps talking about how much she appreciates her fanbase despite only weeks ago telling them not to love / miss / care about her (which was said after she took two week-long breaks, one for health issues so she could sing in a concert and another due to technical difficulties, where even the regular fans were openly missing her)
>Talked about not doing non-Cover work anymore (which she technically kept as she is only releasing stuff she's accepted before saying this) but is now filling the extra time with personal projects like animation and game-making which affects her streams
>Has talked about streaming more in other hours besides her current ones so more fans can tune in live (only to stream less than when she did during her first six months when she was arguably twice as busy)
>Is the only Myth member who hasn't done something to show appreciation for her fans. Even Mori went the extra mile for Deadbeats multiple times while Takos are still waiting on Ina's "1m celebration Thank-You" gift (which she confirmed yesterday is still being worked on)
Basically a tl;dr would be that
>"Season 2" Ina is objectively the worst Myth member because her words mean nothing due to her actions contradicting everything she says.
The others have "highs and lows" even if drastic, but Ina's just been on a nosedive and it's only gotten harder to see.

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>>19749962
>seriously reconsider your choice of oshi
that's weak sauce

>> No.19779949

Ina, not becuase of the above post.sorry dude, you expect too much from these entertainers.

i liked ina before. chill stream that i can actually watch, all other vjtubers i watch only the clips. tried to watch gura stream and i was surprised that there is no skip 5 second button. hype is artificially made and people expect to feel the "lets fucking gooooo" feeling, which i hate. i dont experience that from ina before that's why i could watch her. specially the drawing training arc. people could actually try doing what she was doing and it's good to be inspired and motivated to draw. i like those aspects of ina stream before.

why i dont watch ina now. well, i watched this clip were she was saying "i dont need good grades to reach where i am now" - i hate this statement. it's a very dangerous idea. it implies that basic schooling is useless and you can skip it and be irresponsible and you will succeed anyway. basic schooling is very important. otherwise the "normal" people will be just dumb, irresponsible and dont know basic things.
also it's like a bad color of confidence in ina. i know she is good and smart even. still though, i hate that she undermines effort with that statement.

so yeah i lost the only vtuber i watch. i just watch clips now, which is easier and not time consuming.

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>>19751647
Based beyond belief

>> No.19780599

>>19749962
never
>choice of oshi
it's not supposed to be a choice

>> No.19780962
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>>19779949
Ina has been drawing for over 10 years and when people ask her for advice about becoming a full time artist, she always says that you should have a stable job first and then go into art.

don't watch clippers out of context anon.

some actual criticism about Ina:
- overworks herself
- vaguely vents about stuff
- can get upset when chat worries about these two things
- when she needs to unwind she mostly plays fast-paced games, she then goes tunnel vision and can't narrate

>> No.19781116

>>19751949
A man of your conviction shouldn’t apologize.

>> No.19781568

>>19749962
I got disappointed twice with Ina already. First when she was being all defeatist during the MK Tournament without giving her just because she got a bad result in the first races. Second when she decided to cancel her BotW stream to play crap like Elden Ring. All this made me cancel her membership and sign Gura's.

>> No.19781573

>>19780962
well, the clip had some context with it, but im not gonna argue since it's long ago. either way yeah ina is the coolest one out there for me, but yeah i just cant after that haha

i give my cookies to other youngling takos out there

>> No.19781681

>>19749962
Nobody streaming during the "dead" hours is crazy annoying to me because thats when I have the most time

But the stream frequency dropping so low among the entire holoEN makes it so that I cant get invested in any of them anymore. Now I just watch jp without knowing moon runes

>> No.19781791

>>19781568
They may have Elden ring access for a limited time considering how strict the streaming restrictions are for it. Perhaps she wanted to take advantage of that?

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I wont tell you you'll use it to bully me

>> No.19781917

>>19767938
She didnt say she posts video there iirc. But it's a cute zoomer thing to do

>> No.19781936

>>19781568
>jumping ship for another girl
pathetic

>> No.19781986

Dropped Ame when she had her bday stream, her being completely clueless when it came to her own merch just showed me how little she cares, iirc she had to look up if it was available on geekjack when chat asked
Dropped Lumi when she started sucking neon/dloow/beeps/beebs dick on stream
Now I'm watching IRyS and she is cool

>> No.19781999

>>19781791
Yeah, maybe. I guess I'm being too harsh with that second point, it just pissed me off seeing that poll. I was looking foward for that stream.

>> No.19782019

>>19751185
H-Haachama!?

>> No.19782064

>>19749962
My oshi has never done anything to disappoint me and no one else does her type of content like she does.
My faith in my oshi is immeasurable.

>> No.19782134

>>19766362
Someone post Jay's transatlactic cock

>> No.19782174
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19782174

I don't have a oshi

>> No.19782242

>>19766362
>>19782134
Meh, after you learn who that guy really is you realize it's a nothingburger. I'd drop her on the spot if we didn't have any info on him though.

>> No.19782280

>>19777909
>game-making
She is making a game??

>> No.19782296

Even if they get EU members the chances that they'll eventually start streaming NA prime time are pretty damn high. It's just business. Kiara doesn't, but she has built up enough Whales to give herself a very nice monthly income.

>> No.19782332

>>19782280
she's a pro artist anon, i don't even know anything about her past life and it's obvious she does contract work

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19782355

>>19782134
a

>> No.19782447

>>19777909
You should always support your oshi no matter the consequences. It doesn't matter if she self-destructs because of it, or if she hurts you, always support her no matter how grim the consequences might be.

>> No.19782568

>>19782447
>It doesn't matter if she self-destructs because of it
No, at that point that's not love anymore, that's just you being too insecure and afraid to go against her.

>> No.19782907

>>19782447
this is just crazy. if oshi is can take a break, you can also take a break. good relationship goes both ways.

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>>19749962
She was playing one of those generic ww2 shooters and spent like an entire half a second to spot an enemy running right in front of her. That was very hard for me to cope with. But then she chuckled and all is forgiven.

>> No.19786858

My faith never wavered and I keep being proven right.

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19787125

My faith never wavered
I didn't like everything about her at the start but now i can't imagine anyone else as my number one ever.
I love Nanashi Mumei

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>>19779949

>it implies that basic schooling is useless and you can skip it and be irresponsible and you will succeed anyway.
true
>otherwise the "normal" people will be just dumb, irresponsible and dont know basic things.
child prisons don't teach you these things, other people teach you these things

>> No.19787387

>>19762993
I know I did. This Haachama arc is so boring and drawn out. Shits annoying

>> No.19787662

>>19768168
I trust Flare because she is Patra's friend. And Patra is only friend with QUEENS

>> No.19788026

>>19763461
huh?
we can't tell what thats in reference too
fuckin autistic chumbuds

>> No.19788568

>>19781573

talking about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihahqHdGwk0

>> No.19788688
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fucc wavering, we really on that gang shit my g fr fr no cap on set.

>> No.19789164

>>19751497
>DDLC
>Not catching the obvious references to classic Japanese RPG Maker games
Did you only get into vtubers in the last two months or something?

>> No.19789401
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She is really stubborn, often to the detriment of her streams. And Pomu exists, making them tied for me as kamioshi.
A minor complaint is that I really don't like a lot of the games she chooses to play, but I understand she's doing the best she can with the hand she's given.
Fucking love her though, only Pomu can make me so happy.

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>>19749962
lamy every time she says "I love you" then laughs

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>>19749962
>instances that made you seriously reconsider your choice of oshi
No such thing ever happened

>> No.19791146

>>19781568
>>19781791
I remember Ina saying the reason she dropped BotW for Elden Ring is because they were both similar open world games and she was worried about forgetting the muscle memory of Elden ring by playing BotW which would make it much harder to get back into compared to an easier game like Botw where she can just pick it back up whenever and be decent at it.

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>>19753213
>>19763461

>> No.19792364

>>19789401
Are you me? I switch between those two as kamioshi weekly, it seems, but both make me insanly happy

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