/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

How did they flop?
Asking sincerely I don't watch Nijis or Holos

Same reason Council did

>>19738825
they didn't FLOP dlop, they shit on any indie male vtuber by a long shot, but the first guys left fucking huge shoes to fill.

>>19738986
council take to much time to reliase and lost momentum
manjisanji wave two suffer for ACCELERATE

maybe hiring talentless tranny is bad idea

deez nuts flopped into your mouth

>>19739343
she is the only redimible thing of this clusterfuck

>>19738825
They're doing alright well at least 2 of them are the ones who aren't are
>Literal homo
>edgelord who pissed off the chinks
>Man (Woman) who has everyone arguing half the time about pronouns

what the second anon mentioned
it's similar to The Council Incident but also not the same; nijisanji is debuting new vtubers way too quickly at the expense of both luxiem and noctyx because: (1) high expectations due to luxiem, (2) potential cannibalization on noctyx's part

but i guess if you're a retard who fujobaits minors on the daily, it isn't really that much of an issue

>>19738825
They're ugly

>>19738928
not really "flop" per say, just worse than luxiem

>>19738825
They’re mediocre.

>>19738825
The fact that the leader has 0 charm and the least popular one kinda fucked them, too bad really, Yugo and Alban are good.

>>19738825
>Not flop

>>19739646
who's even the leader anyway? fulgur? there's like nothing appealing about him except for how much he tries to be no-nonsense with chat
sonny would've made a better leader and this guy faked his death in his pl lmfao

>>19739572
See>>19739691

>>19739691
If those numbers mean they flopped what does that make the niji girls?

Because the market for male vtubers is basically all already watching Luxiem. This is why holostars EN will flop too. The market is small and already captured.

>>19739319
Ironic how both are making the same mistake in reverse.

>>19738825
They all look the same

>>19739343
who is that? I got no idea with nijisanji

>>19739236
400k is huge shoes to fill?

>>19738825
Not enough fanservice like vox.

sonny if youre reading this dick pic please

>>19738928
They flopped in the sense they only get 5k live viewers, while vox has 10k basically prostituting himself.

Anyway the reason is
-one is literally a woman
-one explicitly told women he won't be gay for them
-one is nuts
-the purple guy is irrelevant
-phantom thief is inoffensive

>>19739460
you only think that because of the novelty of a ftm tranny; you wont give a shit in a month

>>19739834
Lined up together they may as well be Power Rangers

>>19739785
living failures

>>19739834
this
uki and sonny are literally fucking palette swaps

>>19739343
Wait you guys actually have a tranny? Didn't know nijiniggers get down like that.

>>19739980
10k? Seriously? With how hard the nijis have been fellating the guy on here I thought he'd be 15 or 20k, but 10? What the fuck have they been bragging about?

>>19739899
if only subs mattered, the pewdiepie would have more worshippers here

>>19738825
The group theme makes them individually look bad.
The Yellow boy is Godly thought,

>>19738825
I guess they just didn't live up to anykaras expectations, sasuga funyun

>>19741222
NijiEN went from 1-2k chuubas to the Males averaging 5-10k with the occasional 20k ccv. Vox and Luca has been consistently beating the HoloEN girls in superchats as well. So yeah, NijiEN inclining, HoloEN reclining.

>>19739785
Comparing Nijimales to Nijifemales is like comparing HoloEN to HoloID at this point

>>19741422
>>19741222
Reimu and petra were only getting like 300 live viewers at their shittiest point, Selen couldn't carry them all. Vox really pumped everyone's numbers. Selen seems happier too since she didn't like being 'the most popular niji' in the sense she felt like she had to do more to try and promote her retarded friends.

>>19740120
Niji has
-whores
-lesbos
-bisexuals
-SJWs
-trannies
-hard gays who speak with a lisp

>>19741811
Yeah the males just brought in a lot of viewers. Pomu's been getting a lot more CN fans as well as a cosplayer.

>>19741422
>NijiEN went from 1-2k chuubas to the Males averaging 5-10k with the occasional 20k ccv
So they went from failing to go head to head with Hololive to measuring up decently, good job.
>Vox and Luca has been consistently beating the HoloEN girls in superchats as well. So yeah, NijiEN inclining, HoloEN reclining.
They debuted fairly recently, no? Compare how the girls were doing however many months it's been since the guys debuted, then consider with how Niji spams gens the guys may well see even more of a drop off than the girls did. I wouldn't get too excited on here about them yet, if you do the holo fans on here will legitimately never let you live it down.
>>19741811
Selen has my genuine condolences, not even fucking around.

While I'm not personally watching any of them (tried Sonny, didn't enjoy at all) I wouldn't rule them out already. Maybe a good collab is all they need to click.
>>19741811
Petra's getting consistent 1.5k now. she got an abnormal amount of runoff from the males. Now it's Reimu and Millie lagging behind

>>19738986
>>19739319

I don't think Council cares to make themselves as big as Myth. They're there to have a good time, no chase numbers.

>>19742231
>1.5k
holy shit…

>>19741885
You can act as you like in Nijisanji.

>>19742090
>They debuted fairly recently, no? Compare how the girls were doing however many months it's been since the guys debuted, then consider with how Niji spams gens the guys may well see even more of a drop off than the girls did. I wouldn't get too excited on here about them yet, if you do the holo fans on here will legitimately never let you live it down.
Solid post. They'll probably still do alright, however they may very well be peaking right now.

>>19738825
Councilfags be seething
>>19741885
Once again, you don't actually really know these streamers.

>>19742400
Rosemi is unironically more seiso than anyone in Hololive

>>19742456
From those discord posts one might even say Shu, Vox and Fulgur are getting a little..... cocky.

>>19742309
The biggest problem with Council is they're mostly not there at all. Only rrat and Fauna appear to care to stream anymore.

>>19742090
There will be more waves, there will be more drop off. There will also be drama, the mana of vtubing.

>>19742483
>Once again, you don't actually really know these streamers.
But you do, right? You're best friends?

>>19742231
I want fulgur to stop being an ass, because he actually plays decent games.

>>19738825
their design is shit, for one. Something is wrong when two of your roster literally look like palette swaps

>>19742743
He’d be fine if he took it down a notch or two.

>>19742490
She complains about pretending to be seiso on her members streams, she's the biggest fake of all.

>>19742090
>consider with how Niji spams gens
The only thing is that it has been said for around half a year or a bit more and releasing new generations has yet to bite the EN branch in the ass. I suspect it'll happen soon, but as is it just showed nay sayers claiming the market is over saturated as wrong. We have no clue what the limit will be, or if there will be anyone to break through like Gura has with more main stream appeal.

>>19738825
Because they're not whoring themselves out more. They should do coomer BFE streams, NOW.

>>19742490
Sora's the only one in Hololive that is seiso.
>>19742632
Fulgur wasn't wrong about Council being a dud

>>19738825
they should've slutted themselves out
all of them said no to kisses
i would have been the biggest manslut for the femcel gachikois

>>19742794
Fulgur, Alban, and Yugo's designs are fine. Sonny is an obnoxious yellow, and Uki is just okay. It just doesn't help that Uki and Sonny look like pallet swaps.

they all have the same face

>>19738825
I had no idea they even had a debut. Probably because they had little to no advertisement, unlike their previous gen?

>>19742857
If Vox were to try and become mainstream, how'd he go about it do you reckon? Or would he even need to, considering how strong his fujo audience is.

>>19742714
Nope. Neither of us know them or how they act normally. Its the same kind of delusion that gachifags have thinking that we do.

>>19743123
Depends on what you consider mainstream

>>19742231
I remember when Petra had 300-500 viewers I was there damn it, when she was playing shitty ass indies after debut, fly high petro.

>>19742817
No one is forcing Rosemi to be seiso though?

>>19743221
Gura

>>19743123
Vox could never go mainstream, he’s a bargain bin Cdawg. He fills a niche within a YouTube subculture and he fills it well. No reason to shoot for the moon.

>>19743123
Become a loli

>>19738825
One of them is a mentally ill woman larping as a man. It ruins the entire group's brand.

>>19742817
RPing is considered being fake? you newfags are such losers.

>>19743279
Thats low bar for mainstream, tho I suppose its high for vtubers?
>>19743370
It would be fine if they presented it straight up as a trap or made the design more feminine like Ryushen.

>>19743598
>Thats low bar for mainstream, tho I suppose its high for vtubers?
For an EN vtuber, achieving Gura level success is the most they can hope for really. I can't think of too many other examples of super-popular EN vtubers, maybe Ironmouse, unless I'm missing out on something.

>>19743798
Ironmouse has a bunch of gifted subs so she seems more popular than she actually is. She does have diehards with money tho.

>>19742641
Mumei is unfortunately in school and also in the middle of a move. She'll be back streaming this week. It's not because she doesn't want to. Kronii actually put out a schedule too, now that her to computer is fixed. It's now just Sana who's being a massive fuck up.

>>19742933
See he didn't even say Council is a dud. He assumed what Cover wanted or expected like a fucking ape, despite that they clearly don't care about performance as much as they do otherwise Sana would be fired and so would the Stars branch entirely.

>>19744143
I unironically prefer Mumei whose brain is fried by school over normal Mumei.

>>19744127
Her avg before this was still like 9-15k ccv depending on the stream. That's like the top 0.0001% of vtubers

>>19744295
You don't need to cope anon. Its all good fun. Some spicy rivalry is just what the EN scene needs. Fulger buying into rrat brain is fucking great.

>>19739808
HolostarsEN will flop simpl because they are Holostars and not Niji.

>>19744303
I just want unbenched Mumei karaokes now that she won't have cancer neighbors

>>19744650
Isn't it supposed to just be 3 dudes? who the fuck are they gonna pull? Also, Cover might be betting on the idea if the EN stars are successful, then that will rub off a little on the JP stars.

>>19744143
Which makes me wonder if hiring someone in college was the best idea. It's a perfectly valid thing to be busy with and it should absolutely be her priority, but it's not great for a vtuber. Haachama and Shion also struggle with this.

>>19743598
mainstream means even normie who don't watch vtubers know them
Even my mom knows Gura
Vox? Who?

>>19742996
>discount dante
>Arknight knockoff
>Light novel protag
>Player 1
>Player 2
Compare that to luxiem where every member is visually distinctive and you can get what they are supposed to be about just by looking at their design.

>>19744770
It's unlikely but I hope it plays out that way. The JP homos are pretty good.

How spread out these guys are? Their first collab and Sonny got >200 pings.

>>19744127
Yeah, from Ironmouse to Gura is a big jump. Bitch's NA audience is only 25%. A better example of mainstream would be Kizuna Ai, people might not watch her much these day, but her name is recognized through out the world.

>fulgur covid mocks council for not doing as well as cover expected/as myth did
>vt mocks noctyx for not doing as well as luxiem did
WE ARE

Oh great, another thread of holofags talking shit they don't understand. My favorite cope is when they forget that Vox had an average of 5-6k CCV on his first week and Yugo actually gets that during JP time

>>19745243
Thats just good ol strayan internet

>>19745349
seethe and cope fulgur

>>19745349
>Oh great, another thread of holofags talking shit they don't understand. My favorite cope is when they forget that Vox had an average of 5-6k CCV on his first week and Yugo actually gets that during JP time

>>19745349
>Oh great, another thread of holofags talking shit they don't understand
I mean you faggots always do the same so I don't see the problem

>>19738825
why do their models look so bad compared to luxiem? These guys look like discount gacha characters that people would skip

>>19745580
Their models fucked them hard, Even the best looking ones of the five are only really "okay".

>>19745580
Stop!
They're already dead

>>19741222
I think you've lost touch. That's ten thousand people. That's a lot of people watching and 10,000 potential people donating. Obviously most won't, but those are good chances.

>>19745580
This is where I genuinely agree. Even Fulgur who is drawn by LAM... she really dropped the ball. Nothing about him looks good and his hair looks like a sad comb over.

>>19745689
and that's by virtue of being an arknights ripoff

>>19745824
LAM is a man

>>19745863
LAM is referred to as LAM mama. Pretty sure she's a woman.

>>19745913
But I will say I've not looked into LAM enough and just assumed. If he's a dude then my bad.

>>19745755
His audience is primarily fujos as well, who are pretty dedicated when it comes to things that make them horny. Can't think of any examples of fujoshis getting burnt out on homo RP and the like, especially from a guy with a good voice like Vox. However, I have no idea how he would reach a wider audience if he wants to grow.

>>19738825
They are the Council to Luxiem's Myth

>>19746081
I think cultivating a dedicated fan base that will donate is more important than trying to grow in numbers. I think Gura is a good example at high numbers but her donation numbers lag behind.

>>19745913
illustrators are always referred to as "mama" regardless of gender, riggers are the "papa"

>>19746178
Ya learn something new every day. But my heart wants to view LAM as a woman.. so I will continue to convince myself.

>>19745755
Anon, I'm not saying they're doing badly in respect to everyone else such as indies, I mean nijis here have been crowing about them for fucking ages like the were the best vtuber ever to the point I thought they were doing utterly amazing. 10k is not nearly enough to justify their strange fixation on the guy.

>>19739980
>-one explicitly told women he won't be gay for them
who is this based mofo?

>>19744805
retardchama haachama has been in school and streaming since debut

>>19739980
>the purple guy is irrelevant
literally one of the most important characters in the fnaf lore you fucking retard

>>19743123
vox could go mainstream, but he needs something more than just fujo pandering and a low voice. Heck gura blew up not because she was 'cute', remember when twitter spammed her clips and karaoke bits, that shit was crazy

>>19746220
dude LAM once appeared on ollie stream and nigga is fucking man.

>>19739980
which is the mikoboat banepost dude

>>19739859
yugo is literally a Woman larping as a man, if the rumor about her roomie is correct, i heard she identifies as genderfluid.
Uki roomie is nonbinary (male).
in JP there's a lot openly tranny nijiliver tho like melissa, ryuushen and genzuki somewhat leaning toward ''im not a man nor woman"

>>19739691
>two superchat reading streams
come on now...

>>19746554
Idk anon, i've rarely seen a chuuba who pander as hard as he did (both male and female), mainstream will eat him alive, so he'll either lower the pandering or stay niche.

>>19738825
>>19739691
HUH

>>19746919
I don't watch the zoombie. Let me live in fantasy.

>>19747243
sure anon

>>19747393
Who is going to be the leader of this wave? Alban or Sonny?

>>19747562
Sonny

>>19747393
aren't these collabs?

>>19747176
Yugo's roommate is nonbinary according to their instagram

>>19747621
I like you guys make so much rules, then get surprised when they inevitably blow up. Same thing happened during Luxiem...
Uki did get 15k on his karaoke and he is prolly the least popular.

>>19747511
>Find out somebody in Noctyx is playing DMC5
>It's the fucking woman.
>Whatever; she says she's a DMC fan so maybe she'll be good.
>Stream literally put me to sleep because of how dull Yugo is and how lacking she is with Nero.
I'm gonna suggest that stream to all my bros with insomnia. Thanks, Noctyx!

>>19747932
If she debuted JP she would be watchable

>>19747511
Oh, so they literally all have better numbers than all of Luxiem except for Mysta during their first week. Glad to know that you agree with me

>>19747917
You're actually calling her a they.. Yugo is a girl my man.

>>19747917
so still same trannyshit then.
No different.

>>19748043
wait, this dude was that low? Wasnt he the second in superchat in Luxiem last month?

>>19738825
Strictly a good thing if you ask me, they all came out of the gates not trying to appeal to fujoshit which I guarantee you was the reason why their debut was expediated by a couple of weeks, and if EN management will learn anything from JP it'll be to calm down on debuts for the next 3-4 months like they did post-SEEDs/2019 burnout and let them just be a normal group for that time.

A man can dream at least.

Noctyx will fall off, how hard depends on how they develop their personalities, and who they decide to cater to. Probably won’t be that bad, but their designs are god awful. Especially in comparison to Luxiem who had rather good designs which are actually pleasing to the eye.

>>19748400
I agree... And to think that I used to shit on Luxiem's design....

>>19748400
>will fall off
>designs are god awful
literally same shit said about Luxiem...

>>19748400
The designs really are fucking shit. Alban's is cute and Yugo's is made 10x better by being personality-wise EN's Midori and thus makes my pp harder, the rest are just fucking trash.
LAM really dropped the ball with Fulgar, Uki is just Ritsuki 2 and Sonny's eyes are disgusting.

>>19748390
This probably won’t happen, though. They will shoot another gen straight out of the womb before they can fully establish themselves. I have the lowest expectations for their management’s competency.

>>19748632
>/vt/
>learning
Never

>>19738825
>homo
>tranny
>lolicon (had twitter crying all day)
>literally who
>muh lean vtuber xd

>>19746316
She was in high school, yes. Now that she's in college she seems to be struggling to balance her education and streaming. Same thing is happening with Shion.

>>19747346
Only chuuba that I can instantly think of pandering super hard during their honeymoon phase was Kronii, especially during her first superchat stream.

>>19748006
If she debuted as a JP nobody would watch her even if she WAS watchable.
This wave seems like Anycolor checking if mediocre EN chuubas will still sell if they're shilled to EOPs.

>>19748632
if you think their designs aren't bad you should probably get a pair of new eyes

>>19738825
what did they mean by this?

>>19738825
FINANA NO THAT'S FRIENDLY FIRE

>>19749026
I think both Luxiem and Noctyx have cheap-looking design. But i'm a guy, my 2-cent on the design literally doesnt matter. When will /vt/ learn that you guys are never gonna be good judge of what appears to women.

>>19748400
Yeah, Ethyria designs were pretty awful but at least there was Nina's design, which was between decent and good depending on your taste. Meanwhile Noctyx's designs are just incredibly bad all around. Doesn't help that they're following Luxiem and their good designs.

>>19748848
>calm down on debuts for the next 3-4 months like they did post-SEEDs/2019 burnout
Read anon, read. We'd live in the best timeline if EN slowed down like JP did but faster than the almost three years it took them, and while Noctyx isn't as big of a flop as SEEDs or over-oversaturating as hard as the company was at the tail-end of 2019.

I'm just hoping that they consider this a big enough failure to then follow the pattern of the more modern-NijisanjiJP where it's a dozen debuts in a year rather than a dozen every couple of months, if not a dozen in one batch. Hence why I said "a man can dream" because as of right now we really don't know if they're just a flop or a FLOP flop.

>>19738928
The second ones will never match the first ones that exploded
especially when the first impression(design) was mostly underwhelming
still, Their number still on top of the nijiEN girls
The cyborg even after attemping various self-nerfs to have "lowest subs and comfy chat" is getting 3k+ CCV with the exception of his first SC reading stream

>>19748939
...and it would've paid off for her big time in the long run if she'd fucking stream. She should easily have passed one million subs, but she's constantly finding reasons not to stream even before her computer issues.

>>19746178
>illustrators are always referred to as "mama" regardless of gender, riggers are the "papa"
Oh you should tell that to Kiara since she says "Huke papa", and if you know how to speak Japanese you need to tell Subaru to say Ui-papa instead

My point is that you are full of shit and should just STFU, there never was the rule that illustators are exclusively referred to as mama and riggers are exclusively referred to as papa that is something you made up

>>19746440
kek

seem fine to me

>>19749039
>Triangle

>>19749039
Illuminati confirmed

>>19738825
They're one week in, go get some help dude

>>19746243
no other west chuuba on YT outside of HoloEN get this numbers, thats why they make it a big deal
and thats doing normal shit on chink-peak-hours, this fucker buff content like ASMR/The sims(idk why) goes to 17k~20k

>>19749561
She was basically given all the tools to knockout 1 million right out the gate.
>Fate artist that basically makes Blue Saber, giving her a free admission ticket to the Fate paypigs audience
>humongous booba
>70% of her thoughts are presented in the form of reddit-tier memes
>moe gap
>VA pandering skills
All it came down to was her not streaming and striking while the iron was hot, she had some massive momentum in her first few week. Now she has barely more streams than Sana, who's been fucking AFK for the majority of the time since her debut

>>19749561
>>19750427
It's almost like theres such a thing as too famous. For some it gets to their head, and for others it gets into their head.

>>19748375
The Luxiem fanbase continued to grow since their debut
look at his debut 15k only
Noctyx got between 57k to 66k because of how Luxiem grew

>>19750392
Vshojo

>>19750738
>on YT

>>19746178
Not always though. Ina refers to Kuroboshi as papa.

>>19749039
I have evidence from a very reliable source that this they look all the same on purpose. It's the Golden Rectangle whatever.

>>19739646
Calling a tranny good ....

>>19747917
Say her or kill yourself

>>19751451
NTA I stopped giving a shit about what chuubas do or are in their personal lives after the faggot kyatto revealing to the world she was he, and came back pretty much stronger and way more entertaining than ever. If they're cute and funny or sexy and breedable that's all that matters as a viewer, and that's a lesson you've already taken to heart to some degree.

That and I will, without a doubt, put a baby in this fat faced ojii-san's boy womb and make him a mommy.

>>19738825
>Rejected Arknights character
>light novel rival character
>discount Dante
>Player 1
>Player 2

>>19751893
Spot on but
>discount dante
Aerial Rave yourself off a cliff for even comparing him to Dante.

>>19749561
>he believes that pc-kun is really sick
Fulgur is a dick, but Council is definitely a lazy gen. Kronii and Sana don’t like streaming, who knew? And Mumei up till now had civi duties, we’ll see if she improves now that they’ll be ending or if she was making excuses. Fauna is ok, but she’s just ok, she doesn’t really have anywhere to go and that’s fine. Bae is off to a rough start but if anyone in Council can manage to turn it around I think she can. Her enthusiasm for streaming and her chemistry with Irys shine through, I think she can go places.

>>19752143
you can smell the nijiseethe coming from this post

>>19738825
Their design is shit.

>>19738825
They have similar numbers to around when the first gen debuted. Their numbers are slowly rising like the first gen too. Did we all just forget when Luxiem dropped?

>>19738825
it's been 9 days.

>>19746265
The same guy /here/ who shittalked Council in their leaked Discord SS recently. He might be dumb and unable to control his mouth, but he clearly embodies a lot of /vt/ talking points

>>19749180
Reimu's design is actually nice outside of the face.

>>19748400
I like their designs better than luxiem. Weird

>>19741222
Touch grass retard

>>19739980
Then that means Vox is the flop no?
To get 5k live viewers while sub 100k subs means the ration of subs to ccv surpasses vox.
Hell, that means they're doing better than most of holoen too.

>>19755226
>*automated twitter response*

>>19753512
It was funny to see a bunch of little quips in the discord leak and then a whole blog post about how Cover is scared of Nijhomos because Council didn’t meet expections. Dude is definitely from /here/.

>>19746265
The actual homosexual of the branch. Doesn't want to acts gay for pay. I can respect that of him.

>>19755226
You need to be 18 years of age to us this website.

>>19750803
Oh, so they just pretend VShojo doesn't exist. Typical of a Japanese company.

>>19738825
Zero sense of urgency. They put all their effort into Luxiem.

>>19741222
Apparently chink fujo women donate everything they have for a straight guy with a good voice and anime avatar pretending to be gay. Fucking retards.

>>19739236
That's the same exuse they used for Myth and Council you gives us holobronies shit for. Myth left shoes to fill for Council.

>>19738825
They lack the sex appeal and wave synergy that Luxiem has.

>>19738825
Will beat Luxiem in a few months with ease. If anything, they're just being merciful on Luxiem.

Yugo is 1.8M on TikTok so can carry them by twerking. Sonny is an actual competent gamer that isn't even using TF2 for views. Fulgur just there to flirt with Vox or something. Noctyx clearly isn't even seriously trying.

Right now though, Yugo don't know how to game and Sonny hasn't vtubed but those skills are easily be learned. They got nice singers in Uki and Yugo, A charismatic personality in Alban, an imaginative RPer in Fulgur, some gaming ability in Sonny. Also, their jokes don't revolve around the same lewd stuff.

What Luxiem can't get is great personalities. Luxiem can only play their linear characters that management assigned them. A really lustful guy and a really dumb guy that flirts with each other non-stop, a dumb guy that says pog constantly, a guy who has to act soft all the time with the "aww". They're banking on fujo loyalty but fujos will just move on to the next ship in a few months, like fujos usually do. Luxiem's only real hope is Shu.

Feel free to tell me I'm right after 4 months. Nothing against Luxiem, of course.

>>19755910
Surely you don't think that Fulgur saying Council's numbers didn't meet Cover's expectations is meant as a comparison to him and Noctyx. He debuffed himself hard right from the beginning, his chat rules disowned parasociality and everything that enabled Vox and Mysta to be big superchat and ccv moggers in the first place, and he explicitly said half-jokingly his goal is to be the least subbed NijiEN member. The only way he could've debuffed himself further is if he doesn't read superchats at all or completely closed them, but I don't think EN management would've liked that.

>>19756151
>actual competent gamer
He's a guy so nobody cares unless he's actually pro level or if he acts dude bro-ish.

>>19756151
>>19756162
didn't read

>>19738825
Fulgur shitting on Council and insisting on not being a parasocial BFE early on makes perfect sense for a /vt/fag.

>>19738825
They chose to not pander

>>19757334
Their avatars are already pandering. If they didn't want to pander, should've just given us five Yashiro-looking motherfuckers.

>>19738825
shit design, shit personality, came in too fast after luxiem

>>19746440
kek

>>19738825
Noctyx is very anti-business.

>>19741570
Kek

>>19741570
this is actually true btw, HoloID gets comparable figures to NijiEN girls these days

>>19738825
ehhh

>>19738825
One of them being most famous for shitting on people with cancer kinda soured the mood

honestly their designs are shit and have no cohesion as a group
luxiem's are kind of nightmarish too but they don't look bad together while these mfs are so mismatched it hurts
having no chemistry as a group doesn't help either

>>19764174
Luxiem at least looks visually distinctive unlike these jokers who might as well be palette swaps of each other apart from the arknight reject

>>19741925
Who´s the cosplayer?

>>19763749
I've never heard this

>>19756151
I was reading in agreement until this came
>Luxiem's only real hope is Shu.
Opinion discarded

>>19738825
They're better than most m*le vtubers.
Which isn't saying much because m*le vtubers are trash by virtue of being m*le and having no sexual appeal.

>>19756151
I sincerely doubt they will "beat" Luxiem in anything /vt/ would care about like superchat and sub (not gonna ever beat Vox on that front). But they will surely get as good CCVs as their counterparts in a few months. The momentum is already there anyway.

>>19738825
Designs are not as attractive as Lux. In fact they look so generic it's an immediate turn off. They are not very entertaining either.

Man it's so weird seeing people say that 1-2K+ vtubers are flops these days, as someone that watches indies and small corpos these numberfag threads are just bizarre.

>>19765306
They are not even 1-2k vtubers

>>19765353
Genshin is a buff game I suppose

>>19738825
Because they’re bad streamers.

>>19763749
Source?

>>19738825
Might seem petty, but their designs and behaviour on twitter really turned me off from watching them. I still have yet to watch them honestly. I don't hate them, but I'm just not that interested in them desu

>>19738825
shit design, shit attitude, debuted too quickly

>>19765306
I think its a response to the discord leak where it seemed like one of the members numberfagged against Council.

>>19747917
the absolute state of nijitrannies

>>19745913
>>19745961
Watch his collabs with Ollie and Astel. It's a dude.

>>19774610
These are your brothers in arms, nijis?

>>19753998
Reimu's design is the one thing that saved her from only getting double digit views honestly.

>>19746265
The same guy who said fuck off with the emote spam in chat and banned a guy saying it was his birthday and baiting a happy birthday call out.

>>19738825
Boring designs except for one, and that one specifically belongs to a woman.

>>19774610
Based. We don’t tolerate transphobes here.

>>19739980
Based yab free alban, best boy with the best laugh

>>19756151
I agree that with more experience Yugo and Sonny will incline
and Shu is great but Vox and Mysta are going to keep carrying luxiem in views/donations by being such Yume-bait and fujo-bait respectively, something none in luxiem do.

>>19767624

Of course niji n-words are transphobes baka

>>19775264
nijiniggers really will defend a murder if a niji does it

>>19747562
Alban seems the most extroverted.

>>19749039

>>19738825
Techwear-inspired designs are incredibly boring on vtubers. Please stop, it doesn't work.

>>19775774
this vox akuma popularity is due to his alucard inspired design.


fujos want their bishies daper

>>19775264
transmen are not real men and transwomen are not real women

>>19775774
It hot though

>>19744770
They're probably not gonna be that popular. Myth was popular because they were the first EN gen like how Luxiem was the first EN male gen. If Holostars EN could get lucky and say the equivalent of n*gger for Japanese and get Japanese newfags into Holostars maybe we'll see the new golden age

>>19738825
says who

Because Uki and Alban are worse than Shu, sonny is awkward, Yugo is just not charismatic and Fulgur only appeals to /here/.

>>19748870
wait which one's the lolicon? I know Fullgo is ok with loli but he's not into it himself

>>19756151
>They're banking on fujo loyalty but fujos will just move on to the next ship in a few months, like fujos usually do.
you have never talked to a fujoshi and you will never have a girlfriend.
>Luxiems's only real hope is Shu
You don't watch any of them or keep up with any of them, why does /vt/ always talk on things they know 0 things about?

Too soon, didn't give people enough time to settle with luxiem

>>19788721
Mysta

>>19789176
i thought we were talking about Noctyx? I know Mysta is a lolicon but I'm talking about Noctyx

>>19775264
Buddy, you're on fucking 4chan. I literally did a double take when I saw someone use the correct pronouns for Yugo's roommate here.

>>19775264
You will never be a man. Kill yourself

>>19742231
>she got an abnormal amount of runoff from the males.
Supposedly Petra and Elira are drawing a noticeable contingent of "SHE'S LITERALLY ME!" girl viewers. No idea how much money they're dropping though.

>>19774610
Literally /vtrannies/ lmao

>>19738825
who is the brown boy? he looks cute.

It takes like two seconds to see they're performing better than Luxiem did at the same point, what's the point in lazy bait

>>19738825
no bfe

>>19748085
>>19751864
seethe about it holofags, your oshi will never love you, hes too busy sucking his fellow chuubas off behind the scenes.
or maybe hell stream for once if hes part of the council.

> Just block me on social
> Stay away from my streams
> Talk shit all the time
Flop harder than Sana

>>19746440
Kek'd
https://streamable.com/y4gut5

>>19802600
did your thread get deleted?

>>19800966
That's Alban Knox. He's pretty cute personality/voice wise as well.

>>19777917
This is actually true because gender is not a real function of the brain. All differences between men and women can be explained with the natural outcomes of being sexually dimorphic combined with what hormone bath your brain has. One example of a natural outcome of being sexually dimorphic is that males are born at a greater rate than females, which makes females have greater value in the dating pool and males have to compete for their attention. Another is that males are stronger than females which makes males more suited for jobs that require more physicality.

The issue with gender dysphoria is that it actually stems from other mental illnesses (people say mental illnesses are caused by gender dysphoria but it's actually the other way around). The most notable disorders that cause gender dysphoria are cluster B personality disorders and autism. Cluster Bs have disruptive personalities and people with autism have trouble understanding social cues which leads them to believe that they're the wrong gender. The fact that a shockingly high number of trans people also have autism should be a clue that gender dysphoria is not the cause of the other mental issues since autism is something you're born with.

>>19803108
Yes, Jennie is allergic to edited wojak

>>19738825
If this was a gacha banner I'd skip it
This is an insult to avatar designs. They are the ugliest corpo avatars I've seen in years

Being a nigger before even starting to stream

>>19775264
Transphobia? Why would I be scared of a mentally ill faggot? HAHAHAHA

>>19738825
They're cool

>>19738825
Same reason as Council; they weren't novel or interesting.

>>19747917
>nonbinary
A way for straight women to get a slice of that sweet rainbow-coloured pie.

>>19774610
Nijinigger more like nijitranny lmao

Noctyx bros, what happened?

>>19811453
genuine question, are these numbers actually considered low atm? sonny usually seems to pull around those numbers to 4k

>None of them are as appeling or entertaining as their luxiem counterparts.
>Generic debut song.
>Generic ikemen personalities (aside from fulgur, for better or worse).
>Less interesting group dynamic than luxiem.
>Painfully scuffed collab stream.
>No popular fujobait ship.
>Mediocre designs.

They are benefitting from the Luxiem buff so I wouldn't be surprised if they all steadily reach 150-200k mark in the coming months but no one will come close to Vox.

>>19775264
Where do you think we are, newfag? Being transphobic in this woke day and age is the based take.

why do people keep saying pic related is in holo when it's clearly alban

>>19774610
Oh fuck yeah thank you NijiEN for bringing this type of cancer into the vtuber scene.

>>19738825
all they do is play video games. that's all most vtubers do. it's not surprising they're a flop, considering there has never been a funny or charismatic vtuber. what's more surprising is that there's an audience at all for such boring people

>>19742231
>Majora's Mask

oh shit

>>19738825
magic

>>19738825
The designs are fucking horrible. None of them seemed all that interesting at the outset. Pushed the gayshit too hard. Luxiem is a tough act to follow.
I haven't watched very much of them, but the little that I have is like pure, distilled cringe. I can't handle it. Fulgur is by far the worst in that department. The only one that seemed remotely watchable was Sonny.

>>19738825
Small corpo

>>19739980
>explicitly told women he won't be gay for them
that's an oxymoron

>>19820035
He said he wouldn't pander to fujos.

>>19739572
That is a flop though. They should at least be doing as good.

>>19789061
does it matter, people will just pick their own oshi anyway, the more the better, we need to accelerate even more tazumi sacho

>>19802600
more like the cancer of vtubing

>>19738825
they are male

>>19747176
Sounds like we went from Elira Nepotism to Nina playing puppeteer.

>>19756151
have you ever interacted with a fujo

>>19739461
>Man (Woman) who has everyone arguing half the time about pronouns
Ah, that's why he sounds so weird. She's an abomination.

>>19774610
truly the cancer of vtubing

Male vtubers will never be truly big, there are just that many western fujo, a few main ones will take all.

Fermale vtubers got way more normie appeal, male ones are just a subset niche of the pretty dude normal streamer.

>>19820902
that's another reason why he has so many antis now, he's full of himself. He said right off the bat "don't be in a parasocial relationship with me, I won't pander to fujos" before even debuting. He sounds like those trannies that say "stop fetishizing me" when fujos do not want to see your hormonally retarted hairy body in the first place.

>>19820902
Based

>>19808102
Kronii...

>>19774610
No matter how much you tribalfagged for niji or holo, you have to admit that bringing this into the culture is the biggest cancer imaginable. How can you defend this mental illness? Nijis have to lose whatever credibility they had or what little they had left, and I like usually watching both. Pretty sad

>>19812099
nailed it

>>19738825
Bullying poor Sana after her back injury was just too much.

>>19835211
go ahead and show everyone where in that blurry image that happened

>>19738825
flopgur... not like this...

>>19750717
>debut 15k only
>Noctyx got between 57k to 66k
What the fuck

>>19738825
Do we need a Noctyx version of this image now

>>19837103
>Minutes
More like fucking seconds

>>19745580
Yeah honestly, every single design of Luxiem is so fucking good, they all give that premium "corporate Vtuber model" feel like pic related, but all of the designs of these new gen go from shitty and generic to as you said just Ok for the Arknights boy

>>19774610
>I Was crying
Why? who fucking does this? independently of what you think, why the fuck do they have to make it so fucking dramatic why couldn't they just be normally happy?

>>19837887
It takes a certain kind of mindset to voluntarily submit to having your dick chopped off to fit in, anon

>>19774610
is this a reverse Artemis?

>>19838033
That's an FtM, and from what I've interacted with they're not nearly as insane as the other kind

>>19748632
Noctyx just show vt Luxiem design wasn't that bad

>>19739343
>>19740120
>>19741885
Holy shit. Nijiniggers unironically defend this.