/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>19272565
>Is ID just an inherent debuff?
It's this. The only ID vtuber that was ever remotely watchable was Hana Machia and I don't even know if she's still around or not.

>>19272650

should EN and ID just be merged at this point

like Global or Universe or something less corny

>>19272565
ID is a debuff, honestly they should just slot them in EN but it's probably too late for that.

She probably needs to collab with JP More although her humor might not work as well, the JPs seem to be scared of her lmao.

love her when her collab partner can take the sass (Kronii and Irys)

>>19272565
She got debuffed when Ollie doxxed her. Now that everyone knows what she looks like they left.

>>19272688
Irys is wonderful and I wish her all the success in the world. I don't know why Kronii got into a profession she clearly hates though.

>>19272565
I love Reine but it'd be great if she didn't stream at 8am, kind of an impossible problem for ID

I also don't love watching streamers play games with lots of cutscene or lots of dialogue to voice

>>19272565
Thats nice and all but can she stop sexually harassing everyone she collabs with?

>>19272565
>play vnshit
>wahhhh why numbers so low
why do you want everyone to be popular? be grateful of what you have.

>>19272953
>got into a profession she clearly hates though.
Money, opportunity and blind loyalty from ayamefags 2.0

Being an ID vtuber is not comparable to EN for now. If they stick withd being an ID for the next few years they would reap the rewards because ID is going to be the vtubers powerhouse beating EN and JP

>>19273184
This, I'm Royaltea, but her stream times are ass 90% of the time, she should know by now that most of her viewers are not indogs. >>19272789
Sauce??

name 3 good games she played

>>19272565
>rich asshole that looks down on ID fans
>HoloID but english only or you get banned in chat
hmm, i wonder why she can't break 1k views.

>>19273951
https://streamable.com/l5fb57

No one cares about IRyS 2

>>19272565
>le save! le saaaaave! xD!
She doesn't need you to save her. She was doing fine without your help and will continue to do fine without your help. So fuck off.

>>19274146
b-b-b-but I care about ID birb.

>>19274316
based

>>19274146
more like IryS 0 since she came out first

First holo to play needy streamer after rushia too right?

>>19274094
kek

>>19272565
too gay

>>19273834
OP's probably a chunsoft fan boy. Seeing a chuba playing the Zero Escape trilogy and AI is pretty cool.

>>19272688
rrats claim she's someone important in IRL ID

>>19273784
most of her viewers live in asia though

>>19272565
>Says something in Indonesian
>Close tab

Yep

>>19273784
>Sauce??
Reps, keyword is Trans

>>19273784
You're not Royaltea or even if you are you're new as fuck, Ollie wasn't even the 1st one to "doxx" Reine, actual MERAKs have known about her weeks after debut, get the fuck out of here with your slander.

I like Reine more than most ENs

>>19275876
So is it true that Reine is El Monstruo in her roommate form, or is that just /vt/ being fucking retarded? For reference, keep in mind this is the board of mentally deficients who think Kiara's roommate is 'ugly'.

>>19273762
ID is down, Thia is up.

>>19275872
Trans Jakarta!?

>>19276236
It’s /vt/ being retarded. Roommate is a little chubby but in a cute way if you’re okay with that body type. If you wouldn’t shoot your shot with a cute but slightly chubby dork then you’re an idiot with impossible standards.

>>19276767
>Roommate is a little chubby but in a cute way
But that's a plus! I love me some jiggling during sex.

>>19277049
Anon is a scholar and a gentleman.

>>19272687
They should do a hologlobal, basically un-gen'd streamers from various locales who are fluent in english + their native tongue (nip being an obvious plus).
Imagining a russian, a french, a non-menhera south american (if that's even possible), a taiwanese (yogurt plz come back..), a thai, maybe a korean from worst corea.
Dunno where else in the world where there's enough weebery to produce girls with sufficient talent who also would want to larp as an animu gril.

>>19276236
Isn't it better if they're ugly? They will like attention from their fans more.

>>19276767
depends where the chub is located. Around the face, arms and hands are turnoffs desu

>>19273219
It hasn't been translated yet for you eops but in the latest round of drama rushia's accusing reine of sexually harassing her through astral projection and slapping her ass via transcosmic tantric meditation gregorian chant in binary.
she's vowed vengeance

>>19277994
It’s mostly around the hips and belly.

>>19278089
>No use of morphogenetic fields or worldlines
Fake Merekyat detected

>>19276236
Kiara's roommate is really ugly though, for me at least. It all comes down to taste.

>>19278208
please stop my erection can only take so much excess blood before I start blacking out

>>19276236
Is there anything I can say to a chuuba to let her know I think she's cute IRL without creeping her out?

>twice as much as EN
anon 2 x 0 is still 0

Why is it that we can't have a Reine thread that isn't her general without doxshit being brought up?

I'm so proud of Reine for getting to create a lesbian harem

>>19276236
she's not too bad, I wouldn't call her ugly.

but this is from a guy who finds Botan, Okayu and Polka cute.

>>19278208
might do my reps later

>>19278494
Kind of a copout answer, but it depends on the chuuba. Saying something like that to a chuuba with a highly documented PL like Noel or Polka or even Kiara would be taken way different than saying it to a very private, barely doxxed chuuba like Fubuki or Subaru.

>>19278540
Because they're not Merekyats. They just use Reine as a hammer against EN.

>>19278244
i probably have yellow fever so i agree.
though mori looks actually decent (if she doesn't look like someone who did too much drugs cause holy shit did she let herself go)

>>19278540
many seanigger plis anderson

reminder anyone who uses ID debuff rrat are mostly jealous nationalist pignoys who can't have their own hololive chuuba

>>19278619
just ask ollie.

>>19278540
I'm a filthy secondary that only saw a couple of clips like that one asking to play with kronii's abs in korean and that she was modeled by pochi, so every info is new info

>>19278540
Tbf this is the first time in a long time I've seen people talking about her IRL instead of maleschizo and people too deep in the lesbian thingy talking about PL. Hell, /mep/ itself talks too often of PL stuff.

Btw, does someone have that chubby Reine art someone in /ag/ made and never colored? I realized I didn't save it and can't find it in the archives. It's cute so i want it

>>19278902
>sakura pantsu....

>>19278958
>Hell, /mep/ itself talks too often of PL stuff.
Untrue. I often hang out in /mep/ and they barely talk about dox info, PL or not.

>>19278871
Nice try indog. Marketing yourself to the rest of the world versus a specific country in a language no one speaks would infinitely yield more common appeal. The only exception of course is Japan because it's literally the origin of vtubing and has a much greater percentage of the population receptive of anime girl streamers. Don't pin the blame on other flavors of SEAmonkey because you can't get over your petty tribal wars.

>>19278958
>Hell, /mep/ itself talks too often of PL stuff.
Bullshit. Show badge.

>>19272565
>Most based taste
I enjoyed her Nonary and AA playthroughs but wtf?
Minecraft is trash.

>>19279422
Reine is not a Minecraft enjoyer

>>19279175
>>19279235
day 1 member
yes, they don't talk about it in every thread, but every once in a while see someone goes and mentions pl things to say "yass Reine is so lesbian!" in there

>>19272565
I really enjoyed her MK8 Training Arc. Her suffering was too entertaining.

since this is a bait thread and many will open it, might as well
https://youtu.be/MxwV963ZNEU
english and indo subtitles is available, because you will never learn japanese

>>19279625
to add, /mep/ is the ID general who is most obsessed with rm stuff.
t. a resident meppa

>>19279875
Oh boy, I guess you haven't been to Moona's general.

>>19279590
>5 minecraft streams in the last month
That's too many.

>>19278597
Brosnan-Sama I kneel.

>>19279625
>yes, they don't talk about it in every thread, but every once in a while see someone goes and mentions pl things to say "yass Reine is so lesbian!" in there
That mostly happens when that one schizo shows up with the "Reine did a collab with this Indonesian Keyboardtuber guy" post

>>19276582
Transexual retard

>>19272565
She need glasses. Jap virgins love big booba with glasses

>>19279625
Also day1 member. had to move around the billing period so I lost a few days. There's literally no roommate discussion in /mep/ for weeks and if anything happens it just gets ignored. The only main arguments in there were ARSfaggotry and some egg attempted to start shit up with Kiara.

>>19279941
most times they talk about the future and tips to improve or that will be useful, not directly referencing rm things she did/does. however, when they do, the thread gets more intense on it than /mep/. still, my point is that /mep/ does it more often
>>19280407
i don't remember seeing him in /mep/ for a while, the times i have in mind when some people mentioned rm was one time arguing that the general was too obsessed with her sexuality and a casual mention a few threads ago.

>>19272565
if she stops palying ace attorney.

>>19280602
i didn't say it had to be necessarily arguments, just mentions.

>>19280856
Yeah, one guy who gets ignored.

>>19280641
As someone who frequents both /moon/ and /mep/, Reine's general is extremely tame and doesn't engage in discussion about roommate stuff. And /moon/ make lots of vague references to what she does over there.

>>19280939
>one guy
the thread has femanons so i wouldn't say it's a guy, and seeing the overlap of the fanbase with deadbeats (who are called doxxbeats for a reason) i wouldn't say either it's one person

>>19272565
Reine is Hololive EN and should rebrand as such desu. Her english would still be the best in the whole branch.
The only issue would be that she loves her indog sex slaves too much.

>>19281248
yeah, me

>>19281248
>Her english would still be the best in the whole branch.
Do you seriously even watch her

I love Reine but the issue is her fucking schedule. She streams the moment I get at work, there's no way I'll ever be able to catch a stream.

>>19281368
I watch every other stream or so. She mogs pretty much the entirety of EN in pronunciation and/or vocabulary, somehow. Partly because most of the are just worse ESLs, but she also mogs some of the natives.
ironically, if I'm wrong it's probably because I don't actually watch Fauna or Mumei much

>>19281662
>She mogs pretty much the entirety of EN in pronunciation and/or vocabulary, somehow.
I'd say watch one or two streams of her AA and you'll see how ESL she is, but then again that series consists of old English so it's understandable. I wouldn't put her above the natives because she still trips up on everyday words and she uses a lot of filler like "like", or "you know".

>>19281239
But anon, I'm a deadbeat and I don't participate in the doxxposting. You grossly misunderstand the doxxbeat meme; there is no reason to discuss Reine's past life because it's inactive and does not generate music occasionally. And it should not be encouraged anyway exactly because she does not have an active past life, and this is a breach not of any unwritten law between vtubers, but her actual privacy.

>>19281662
You're just wrong. None of them are ESL except for Kiara. I have no idea why do you keep on perpetuating this outright lie in every thread.

>>19281239
So your consensus is that the person who frequently brings up PL stuff is a femanon and/or a deadbeat?

>>19281881
I mean, the standard for natives in EN isn't high, anon. You've got Gura, Mori and Ame in that category... Neither is particularly good with words, and Gura is either dangerously uneducated or... pretends to be dangerously uneducated.

>>19282097
my consensus it's that i'm not inclined to believe it's one person (but neither that often to be an annoyance). and probably deadbeat(s), but >>19281883 has a point and pic related

>>19282216
Sure, but Reine's English is definitely not better than theirs. What are you trying to prove here?

>>19273762
>If they stick withd being an ID for the next few years they would reap the rewards because ID is going to be the vtubers powerhouse beating EN and JP
No they won't. No SCs in ID, and there's a ton of poor people that can't and will not support vtubers financially. Removing "ID" from their names will be a buff for all ID vtubers is a better region to thrive in.

t. Indog

>>19282519
Have you HEARD them talk? If you have issues with Reine using filler then how do you rate Mori and Ame? Or Gura, who speaks fluidly enough but has literally half of Reine's vocabulary?

>>19282944
>Fauna says literally anything
>Pregnant pause as the other girls pull out their dictionaries
At least ESLs have an excuse for limited vocabulary.

>>19272565
how bout more of you faggots start clipping reine

>>19282944
>Reine has double the vocabulary of any EN
>Especially Mori
You don't even have to like the wigger but she did do poetry and that extends to rap. Stop insisting Reine has better English than actual English speakers raised in an English country all their lives.

>>19283361
people here hate the most dedicated to Reine clipfag because he donates in ARS (whenever he even donates)

>>19283650
Anon if you think being a native means you're good at it you've probably lived in a rich kid bubble your entire fucking life.

>>19282944
get out of that ollusion, Reine english is good for an ESL but she still has some mistakes on grammar, example: she couldnt understand the kiara praise
(i wouldnt mary just anyone)
where Reine wrongly assumed Kiara meant Kiara wasnt going to mary anyone at all.

>>19283874
Speaking in English isn't just learning it academically in school or having a large vocabulary. "Better English than native speakers" is a fucking meme because the language has so many unwritten subrules you'd only subconsciously learn by immersion and absorbing the habits of other English speakers. For example, Reine uses "wrongly" instead of "incorrectly" because she tends to not utilize prefixes in a word to create a negative and instead just uses an antonym+suffix. And I could tell that YOU are an ESL because you cannot spot minor differences like that.

>>19272565
I think reine has one of the best designs in hololive, but I can't be the only one who dislikes her voice right? It sounds grating to me and it made it hard to watch her imo. Nothing against Reine tho I wish her success, but she's just not for me.

>>19284539
You're reaaaally fueling my rich kid narrative right there.

>>19285016
I literally told gaining English proficiency is through immersion aka talking to people and NOT academic learning, the complete opposite of what rich kid ESLs do.

>>19285674
And yet you talk about technicalities that people below middle class will not know and consistently fuck up.
Source: I grew up in a slightly-above-poor neighborhood and most of my friends can't be said to speak my language.

>>19285997
These aren't academic technicalities. The average English speaker doesn't even know what they're called, but they employ these rules every-fucking-day through immersion. Do you know what immersion is? Active experience and participation in the language.
>my language
Of course, I'm arguing with an ESL, and you wouldn't notice this stuff because you too do not have the lived experience of a native English speaker. And because you're not a native speaker, you literally are not qualified to say "X has better English than Y" because you do not have the point of reference to even understand what quantifies as "good English". Go work at tech support or a call center and communicate with the native speakers through calls, and you'll understand. Again, academic learning is useless because you don't have someone else to bounce of to and absorb from.

>>19286507
Anon the difference between "wrongly" and "incorrectly" is a technicality.
And no, it's not some magical innate native language. If you live in a shithole where no one cares or knows how to speak properly, or worse, they actively dislike it, you're not gonna learn shit like that.

>>19284889
I like her voice but I hate her laugh, especially during the earlier days, her laugh sounds more natural now though.

>>19272565
>What can hololive do to save her? Is ID just an inherent debuff?
Its solely the ID debuff. Reine is amazing.

>>19272953
Kronii hates vtubing? Do you have any supporting evidence to show for this?

>>19287078
She dropped the fake car laugh? Ngl that's one of the things I dislike about her early on. Glad she stopped doing it then

>>19286749
It's not a technicality. BOTH are grammatically correct but /incorrectly/ is used more often by native speakers, and thus it sounds very off when an ESL uses "wrongly" instead.
>If you live in a shithole where no one cares or knows how to speak properly, or worse, they actively dislike it, you're not gonna learn shit like that.
Americans speak English and most Americans are monolingual. Why do you think they're native speakers?

>>19272565
Reine is the only ID I like because she's practically an English speaker.

>>19272565
She is really uninteresting. She has great taste in games that i agree but somehow she still manage to bore me to death.

>>19287248
It still slips out every now and then but is less intense.

>>19287252
You really have never been in a bad neighorbhood in your whole life, have you? Go low enough and people are barely speaking an actual language anymore, it's barely comprehensible and it follows no grammar rules. Go a chunk further up and you get an actual lanugage, spoken very poorly.
Being native means jack shit, where you live and how well off you are mean more.

>>19272789
>Ollie doxx her
>Everyone know she is now

It's the opposite
I'll marry her and get an ez life until few next generation

>>19287592
Ah, you're Indonesian. I recognize that lived experience and the deviation of casual Indonesian vs formal bahasa Indonesia. I also recognized that ID to EN mental self-translation you did a comment ago and your excessive use of "where". No, America has public schools and literal niggers still have better English than ESLs because they use the language daily and thus learn on the go. Language learning isn't a closed system of you just sitting with a book, but actual active participation with the community.

I love Reine so much. She streams a ton. She really seems to just love streaming. She also loves her overseas fans and became almost 100% EN.
She isn't a huge laughs streamer but she makes me smile a lot being a dork.

>>19272687
>like Global or Universe or something less corny
i got it, Trash

>>19288123
I'm Peruvian, faggot.
And you just keep exposing yourself further desu. Your idea of low class clearly comes from fucking sitcoms.

>>19288123
I'd rather listen to ESLs trying to speak english compared to niggerspeak desu

>>19288966
>Butched Spanish from colonization and localization
Same thing. And you do not speak with English speakers in your everyday life as part of a community, and thus cannot speak on what constitutes as "better English" because your idea of good English is entirely academic; What you learned from school.

>>19289164
I can guarantee you I've spent more time in US ghettos that you will in your entire life.
And I was only in the US for 3 months.

>>19289164
Oh, and also, you're fundamentally wrong. I'm self taught, my school didn't teach english.

Her mods censored me for saying "large chest!" when she was opening a large chest in Minecraft, this is not a euphemism.

>>19280048
moreso someone who has too much of a voice fetish,

>>19289291
>>19289364
>Self-taught
>spic ghettos unwilling to assimilate
That literally means you have no point of reference of what constitutes "good English" and thus cannot accurately gauge the language proficiency of others.

>>19289439
actually, what happens when you get censored? you mean your post got deleted? on another note, i wonder if she has mods other than other holos and the holoID official account

>>19272687
globoholo

>>19289602
>spic ghettos
No you dumb fucking bitch. I wouldn't know where to find those.
Also you're talking as if you're some fucking authority on the subject. And considering you have no idea about the variances in speech and language based on socioeconomic circumstances, I'm gonna guess you're a fucking linguist. Now just shut the fuck up and let's just agree to disagree.

>>19289853
*NOT a fucking lunguist, pardon my spicness.

>>19273762
you can still market to indogs without the "ID".
having the ID means scaring EOPs from trying you out. which I think is the biggest debuff the ID branch has.

>>19272687
ID is a good pool of talents but not so much of a good pool of audience, i somewhat agree with you. i think hololive's overseas branches shouldn't be that emphasized, instead just make an official hologlobal (which would mean either changing also the ENs labelling or removing all labels entirely) and the specific places of origin become kinda unofficial, like what kiara did with hologermany, or the holoES memes, something like that. and most of the time the streamers speak english. similar to nijisanji but without killing the possibility of future members and including ENs. and cover could then announce new members from different places in the same batch and eventually have chuubas from many cultural contexts and countries.

>>19288123
>>19288966
True, he is retarded, his Oshi probably gets fucked by several dudes
>T. Mexican.

>>19272650
>Hana macchia

Nah She is boring even in Niji standard
I prefer Siska and Bobon for NijiID

>>19289620
It just changed to <message deleted> I wasn't banned but you could be, I wasn't too upset but kinda miffed.

>>19272565
I like Anya but she hates her busty original model and I haven't seen her use it since she got the new frumpy one.

>>19289439
>mods
Boyfriend

>>19289853
I did not discount socioeconomic circumstances, but these are irrelevant to the conversation because the variance between English-speaking natives still won't make them less proficient than ESLs that do not have a community to regularly communicate English with. None of the HoloENs even have the impoverished conditions to you use as an example to even noticeably damage their English to a degree that has them at a disadvantage to a non-native speaker who learned the language through academics or communicating online. And I'm even taking to account trailer trash like Ame, who still manages to speak the language correctly over Reine who has multiple trip-ups in a single stream.

>>19272688
Ofc they scare of this turbo lesbo! She is out for their bussy 24/7!

>>19290668
Yeah, me

>>19291125
>turbo lesbo!
Wasn't that a rrat?

>>19291693
unfortunately, it's a rrat
Merakyats are just a bunch of delusional faggots

>>19288111
her family wouldn't allow her to marry a poorfag like you

>>19272789
Really? She looked surprisingly cute to me, but I guess maybe not by Indo standards?

>>19296004
Asian beauty standards are retarded.

>>19272687
The idiots will think they are closing the ID branch if this happens
And the overproud Indonesians won't be happy with the rebranding

>>19272565
>shitty games
>leeching to EN
>cringe and repititive jokes
>y'know

you can't save her anon, but even if you did, no one would watch her, she's just plain boring

>>19291693
>>19294993
Do your roommate reps, specifically her fanart.

>>19296415
I thought you were talking about Moona

>>19296415
>>leeching to EN
>>cringe and repititive jokes
Learn English or kys

>>19296080
not white, not japanese, not korean = ugly for SEANiggs

>>19296905
nvm i’m a fucking retard

Her and Irys are peak Australian timeslot from holo (Sana doesn't stream and Bae is better in collabs)

>>19298960
Nah, not really

>>19272565
She needs to pander more. That Pochimama design and heart eyes expression are there for a reason

>>19300454
what a waste of good model

>>19300622
I agree. They probably gave her this model for her "ojou" personality, but without knowing she's really just a normie