/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>18771039
hahaha what is up with this vshojo/twitch/niji faggot today?

>>18771039
It’s only a matter of time holobrony
you’ll be cucked too
you’ll be cucked too
YOU’LL BE KEKED TOO
YOU’LL BE KEKED TOO
YOU’LL BE KEKED TOO

>>18771039
Holo EN will always be the face of western vtubers and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Hey im all for it
If they get all of the normalfags,greys and 3dp collab beggers from hololive its a win for us

>>18771039
Graduate the entire EN branch
That will save them

>>18771039
EN died after their anniversary stream which honestly should have been their grand closing. They've been reclining harder than ever these past few months because the soul isn't there anymore.

It's over. After embarrassing information day 1 from a failure to vet and unacceptable streaming hours I'd be surprised if tons of English speakers don't even watch the next gen's debuts.

>>18771077
I’ve seen this same posting style in several generals and it’s always to shit on some other group.

>>18771233
based

>>18771039
You're saying this as if it's a bad thing but this is good. It will help keep HoloEN more insular and allows them to do their own thing without normies trying to shit it up.

>>18771389
my problem with holoen is that compared to holojp they barely stream and when they do it's always the same games (this is also a problem with holojp)

>>18771039
Luxiem is the face of western vtubing

>>18771219

>>18771039
they just need to release more gen, with only 2 gen there's a lot of dead hours which usually are filled by nijiEN streamers stealing holo viewers.
the problem is that holoEN don't even stream and that's how they start to recline.

>>18771643
It's pathetic that only Kiara matches the streaming hours of the JP girls when the EN girls do a fraction of the off-stream groundwork. What's their excuse?

>>18771878
yeah, I think en3 needs to debut soon and they should stream more than previous gens. Sana does not even stream at all

>>18771912
Kiara is the only one who actually wants to be an idol, so she works harder than her genmates. Ina just wants to draw, Mori is a lost cause, Ame is starting to get bored and it looks like Gura is sad again.

>>18771389
Debuts always garner larger amounts of viewers. It would be silly to think there won't be an insane amount of people viewing Holo EN Gen 3's debut.

>>18771039
Let me start by saying everything you just wrote is very lazy bait or some pathetic cope

>how do we save them
Hire a gen3 that actually work hard and stream a lot like some of the better JPs, rather than just doing it as a side gig. Being a large corpo with 100k+ subs as a startup and monetized in less then a month is not a side gig, its a full time job and they need to treat it as such

>>18771707
>Luxiem is the face of Chinese vtubing
Fixed it for you

>>18772498
>Being a large corpo with 100k+ subs as a startup and monetized in less then a month is not a side gig, its a full time job and they need to treat it as such
I do not understand why they are allowed to spend so little time on Hololive work as if it was just a hobby

>>18771039
For what reason you want to save a company?
follow your oshi and let the company die

>>18771039
hololvie EN is fine just faggots on /vt/ got tired of their new toy so they're doing the classic /vpol/ reddit meme or choosign whatever dogshit company isnt the most popular to shill because they're all hipster faggots, nijis can't crack 2k and vshoujo is at constant thread of twitch's retarded moderating and UMG.

>>18772646
Can't wait until the crackdown on react content. Vshitshow will have nothing left.

>>18771912
Because they have lives outside and aren't hikikomori's like most of JP?

>>18771305
Weebs are returning to their normal life and returning to anime the Hololive pandemic boom is retracting
to help the recline even further the less loyal became nijifags

>>18772620
>meeting. meetings. Meetings to discuss the meetings. concerts, overwork. working on original, cover songs.
>why can't they stream often.
Gee, I wonder why?

>>18771039
>caring about numbers
Quality>Numbers and Hololive represents the best of the best

>>18772620
Cover attempts to not be a black company and have a comfortable contract
New chuubas procced to use the leisure to its full extent
**Japanese work centric mindset surprised face**

>>18771039
You can't save delay the inevitable, the Hispanic Empire will dominate the Vtuber industry just like we dominate Twitch.

>>18771039
Well I don't know much about smaller corps and twitch indies but HoloEN has been doing a pretty good job at killing themselves these last months.
Management is clearly incompetent, nepotism hires have been a total disappointment unlike NijiEN and their own JP branch, and most talents have lost their original motivation and just stream (sometimes) to collect their fat paycheck. Textbook stagnation.
HoloEN is never going to die but will keep reclining permanently if nothing changes.

>>18772834
explain Sana then

>>18772834
>Hololive represents the best of the best

Bait thread aside, it really does feel like Hololive, certainly for the EN side, is at least stagnating ("decline" is too overdramatic, they're just not really growing as much anymore).
Sure, they have their big subcounts, but most of those are just deadsubs from brand inertia, whereas in metrics like ccv they're not really setting new records, while others are catching up instead. Holofags used to scoff at NijiEN for example back when the average viewer difference was tenfold, but nowadays some Niji's are regularly reaching ccv's on par or even above some Holo talents (sure, you can constantly move the goalposts "oh it's just [that] Holo, she was always low-tier, it doesn't count...", but as the number of Holo's that apparently "don't count" increases, the cope sounds ever more weaker). And let's not even get into how some Vshojos regularly get 10k+ viewers now, where the average for every Holo not named Gura, or outside special events, is below that. But of course, that's >Vshojo, and also >twitch, so again "d-doesn't count!".

Don't get me wrong, Hololive is still the biggest, most popular, most prestigious address in vtubing (at least for the western normie masses), and that's not going away overnight, they can afford to coast along on their brand buff inertia for awhile, but the trajectory (Hololive stalling, others improving) can be shifting in the future. Unless Holo manages to find another miracle generation that'll push them to new heights again (or do something unique that sets them apart again, because the first-mover-advantage of being the first "notable" EN vtubers has long since worn out and doesn't cut it anymore when there's so many alternatives now), but going by the underwhelming Council, it seems their luck has run out and they're not likely to strike lightning again. If an EN3 gen comes out (far too late, going by Cover's previous pattern, and the hype has already died down), I predict they will get even less subs/subgrowth than Council (who already had less growth than Myth), so we're probably looking at a downward staircase pattern of popularity.

>>18772917
>if nothing changes
nothing will change as long as people act like this:
>>18772790
>>18772856

>>18772620
This
Meanwhile some small corpos do creative preparations for each daily stream, like a new self-rigged addons to their costume

These people are the face of western vtubers now, Hololive cant compete at all.

>>18771219
Myth will never be topped for EN.
Luxiem will never be topped for EN males.
Both get to lay claim to being the first big branches in their markets so they will always be seen as the real ones. Doesn't matter if other gens or corporation come out with a better product, all that matters in the western market is being first and/or the brand name. Its like Heinz ketchup.

>>18773123
>Indies and corpos in harmony
The sun is finally rising on this blackened land...

>>18771754
I see what you're trying to convey here
but yeah, first graduation from Myth the castle will crumble

>>18772790
Not really the issue, at least for the EN side. It's not that they're held up too much in buerocratic busywork, it's rather that they're being given too little direction (or face any actual consequences when they slack off).
Useless Cover (we have the whole txt meme about it for a reason) basically just gives them their work iphone and says "here you go, you're on your own now, do as much or as little as you like, we don't care...", and when a talent has a more lazy personality and/or prioritizes other things and treats Holo just as a "side job", this leads to those bad apples abusing the system, and there's no real way to reign them in.
That "minimum streaming requirement" in the application, for example? Has long been exposed as a paper tiger farce

>>18773287
Who will be the first one to graduate from Myth?
The only ones I can think of graduating is Gura, Ame, and maybe Mori

>>18771219
Look what happened to Kizuna. Give it two years and nobody will care about Myth anymore.

>>18771039
Just don't be asshurt when I make the decline threads about ironmouse when those giftsubs expire.

>>18773332
Mori or Ina

Twitch is quite literally irrelevant. There are people there that gain significant ground there by doing "reactions", i.e. watching someone else's videos while eating lunch and not providing any transformation of the original content. Because Twitch allows the blatant theft of content from other platforms, anyone that's popular on Twitch is thereby as irrelevant as Twitch.

>>18773325
>Not really the issue, at least for the EN side
Irys had to take a break due to her voice. Yes it is an issue. She isn't even the only Holo that needs to take a break due to throat issues.

>>18773408
Twitch sucks but calling it irrelevent is just major cope. Just because the content there is bad it doesn't mean it's irrelevent.

>>18772856
>Cover attempts to not be a black company
lolling

>>18771039
subbing out of pity ≠ relevancy

>>18771039

There is literally no reason to watch HoloEN unless you are a completely retarded corp sheep. Nijis have much better streams in general and especially MUCH better collabs. While Vshojo rules Twitch.

>>18773474
It literally only exists because streamers can get away with showing copyrighted content in its entirety over there with little to no repercussion. The day corporations and independent creators alike get together and file a class action lawsuit against Twitch for allowing this behavior, and the rules become as strict as those on YouTube as a result, there will be a mass exodus from Twitch.

Kinda funny how that's the one Vshojo member I've never actually seen a clip of.
Either way don't care, I like my chuubas because I like their content, couldn't care less how big or small their audience is

>>18772790
Nijis are making covers and originals too while streaming like 5x more on average. Fuck off.

>>18771139
Keked

>>18771039
>Ironmouse
>vtuber

>>18773332
I mean, you can make upsomewhat credible-sounding reasons for everyone
>Mori: I don't really need to say anything, do I? But yeah, she'll probably get fed up with the forced corpo anime girl act, and ditch the "Hololive bubble" she so detests when she thinks she has farmed enough clout for her roommate streaming/musician career, to be finally free to try to break into her favorite twitch eceleb circles without complaining Holofans holding her back.
>Gura: idk depression relapse or something
>Ame: gets bored and burned out, like she does for every one of her projects, only now Hololive in general
>Ina: goes back to drawing for chink gachas
>Kiara: I don't really see her dropping Holo just for revving up her roommate career like it's prevalent with Mori, as she probably knows she's not gonna be a RL idol anymore, and I don't have a sensible reason for her to leave Hololive, so uuh I just go for the comedy option and say her body breaks down completely and she becomes a vegetable or something.

You can come up with your own reasons, and order the girls by likelihood. I make no secret that I consider Mori the most probable first candidate, and that's not even because I "want her gone" bias, but out of all of them she has had the most significant arguments for it (for example, has already publicly stated her frustration with Hololive, especially on roommate acc, and has kept active her roommate career, so the fallback is there and means/motives make the most sense for her)

>>18773020
>believing YT ccv that has been proven to be broken and not accurate

>>18773662
Viacom and Sony are going to fuck Twitch so hard people are going to fondly look back at these times.

>>18774254
People have been saying Twitch is gonna get fucked for years now. And then it just never happens.
When will people accept that these people are just never gonna face repercussions for their actions?

>>18772498
>You only need to streams 3 times a week minimum
>Treat it like full time job
>???

>>18772498
>>18772620
>Full time job that has Cover management basically do nothing helpful and instead make job harder to justify their paycheck.
No wonder the girls treat it as a side gig

>>18774202
December 2020 YT flips a switch and crashes everyone’s ccv
December 2021 YT flips another switch and ccv crashes again but semi-reverts it when their changes are too drastic
Can’t wait to see what the end of 2022 brings us

>>18774364
>retards acting like streaming is their only job
>what are scheduling and song releases

>>18771077
>fagoons
Checks out

>>18771039
They have to stop playing Minecraft and Rockstar games. Nobody actually likes it, right? Minecraft is alright but it's not THAT good. Like holy hell I can't even look at anything Minecraft-related anymore it's just become so boring. Every GTA/RDR is objectively a bad game. Except maybe Chinatown Wars but it has to be 5 for those epic meme moments.
My suggestion is forcing Gura and Ame to play the new Ninja Gaiden collection. They are not allowed to stream anything else before they beat all three games on Master Ninja.

>>18771389
next gen is all male people only want to see females

>>18774669
It's not like most of these people put out many new songs. And when they do, they are almost never involved in the creative process beyond being the singing voice. Even Suisei doesn't write her own music, or create the music to it, or anything. She just sings.

>>18774669
aside from the indos and low tier holos, they don't need another job with the money they make
>song releases
who the fuck cares about that shit

By posting cunny

>>18774852
Except the logistics and communication between all these people are done by the chuuba as well. Management does not do anything besides giving the girls a list of connections Cover has and some suggestions. It's why people like Suisei and Mori have an easier time because they have their own connections already.

>>18775127
small indie company

>>18771039
You forgot the part where big indies are legit turning down the chance to join. They're actually losing the ability to grab whoever they want. I don't even think they'd be able to poach anyone good from other companies at this point.

>>18771039
Graduate Sana
Redesign Irys
Require more interesting streams and frequent collabs

>>18771039
HoloEN is no longer a monopoly, which is good for their viewers and ultimately good for them.

>>18771912
Work smarter, not harder.

>>18773443
wtf does that have anything to do with meetings? The fact Kiara, Bae and NijiEN can stream a lot proves that most of HoloEN are just lazy

They won't be as good as JP until they have about 5 gens as well. It's not fair to compare 11 girls to how ever many JP has. There's JPs that don't stream too and they didn't get a golden gen until gen 3.

Get them more streaming permissions for fucks sake. Their biggest talent has over 3 and a half million subs, they should be sending out emails to tons of corporations already tempting them with exposure.

everyone can hate on mori but she makes more money then anyone in en plus she is getting a 3d model the other en members are not

>>18774852
>Even Suisei doesn't write her own music, or create the music to it, or anything. She just sings.
She's involved in the creative process and she wrote 3 songs

>>18771912
The likely reason is that they make enough money for their liking as is. They don't need an excuse, moralfag, because you're not entitled to anything. Membership and superchats aren't purchasing streaming content.

>>18775127
Still sounds like cope. They're not mailing back and forth with their producers 24/7, neither do they have "meetings" all the time, and lessons some may go to also are realistically only a few hours per week.
If they'd be open and honest about their daily timetable, you'd find a lot of downtime in the day for most of them, that could easily be filled with at least a short 1-2 hour stream (and so you'd still have 10-16 more waking hours left over to do all the other ~important stuff~ that's used as an excuse for why we should believe they're soooo busy).
Face it, the more probable explanation for the apparent slack in some talents is just the simplest one - they simply just don't care enough, are lazy, don't feel the motivation or need to put in any more effort (and why would they, the company doesn't punish them, the fanbase certainly doesn't), so they're naturally minmaxing their "how little work can I actually get away with and still collect enough simp money?" ratio. If you rather want to believe that "nooooo they would never think like that, they're all pure honest souls who totally love to stream, they just c-can't because they're all soooo busy", sure, if that helps you, but other people don't have to buy into that delusion

I know this post is bait but shit HoloEn seem to be stagnating.
Look at myth for exemple 4/5 of their members are burnout or something.
And no matter how many fans are in denial about it they fucked up with Holocouncil they just didnt have the same impact as their senpai and they dont fucking stream or atleast they didnt for a long time and Sana still doesnt.
I just took a look at the top 3 of luxiem and their vods views are in the same ballpark as myth and council expect Of course Gura with less than half of their subscribers.
What a fucking waste, I just hope EN3 bring some life into HoloEN cause they're on their way to irrelevancy and management trying harder with game permission wouldnt hurt either.

>>18775589
kys and go back

>>18775664
sana and ina have irl jobs vtubeing is just a side job for them

>>18775589
You need to stop projecting and go outside.

Nobody in this thread watches HoloEN.

>>18775664
Holomyth carried the brand in the west for like a year give them a break.

>>18775818
Which seems like an odd decision for Hololive to hire them. It would have made sense for them to hire people full time.

>>18775858
whatdidyouexpect.mp3

>>18771039

if they collabed outside of hololive more would people here be seething

>>18775881
I wish I could just do my job for one year then go into part-time mode.

>>18775858
and for good reason!

>>18775818
Ina still streamed more than Kronii and Sana when she started.
Sana is just a disgrace to the brand im just baffled how could they fail so hard in their scouting.
It doesnt matter if she's 3 time better than a 2views since she does not stream at all.

>>18775889 cover wanted them for there art skills they have done work on fate go arknights and azur lane ina has done work for hololive a few times ina even got sana her vtubeing job

>>18772834
t. never watched non-holo stream

>>18776146
sana made more money then ina on there first day back from break people love both of them

>>18773020
It feels to me that they're just running out of shit to do.

>>18771039
>>18775664
They have double the members as before but barely anyone stream. they have a variety of permissions (AoE, Spore, Hotline Miami, Fallout, Diablo), but most of them only play a couple of games until their fanbase gets bored.

Im not really into nijisanji (i prefer indies like pikamee), but at least they stream twice as much and have some variety.

there just gearing up for the big holo event

>>18776165
that's retarded (so, par for the course for Cover), because if they wanted art, they could just do as usual and hire external artists on a per commission basis, no need to give them a streaming spot and make them a talent (and then they don't even stream anyway). Just buy an illustration from them when you actually need one, and give the streaming spot to some better talent who's actually motivated to stream.
(inb4 someone tries the worn-out copexcuse "b-but if Cover hires them as streamers, that means they get their art for free!" as a reason and just exposes himself as having no idea how any of this actually works)

Please don't put high expectations on Gen 3, we burned ourselves doing that with Council.

>>18771039
Fire management and let them collab with non Holo vtubers.

>>18776522
i don't get it ether from what people say its to keep them from going to work for another company

>>18771039
Better question.

How do we make them die faster?

I wish hololive was less popular so you'd take the targets of their back. Fuck.

>>18776802
kill irys, send kiara more dead animals & taunt mori on a member stream

>>18776320
I'm not sure where else Myth can go from here after getting a million plus subs, even Irys and Kronii are getting there albiet slowly. Gura's slowly approaching 4 million with each month, too. I guess its just down to personal goals or experiments for the talents to figure out.

baes been putting in work she is crazy

>>18775966
Holomyth being weaker this year is not really their fault.
Kiara still as the same work conditions as before and stream a lot.

Amelia new house activated a vile sickness in her so she's low energy most of the time.
Hope she atleast get a lil bit better when she leave these termites behind.

Ina got a lot of contract to draw.

Mori Idk what her trouble honestly,I dont follow her enough.

Gura has a weak constitution and seem to get sick easily.

>>18776492
Pikamee indie kek

>>18776492
>pikamee
>indie
roru

>>18776942
>I guess its just down to personal goals or experiments for the talents to figure out.
That makes sense. I wonder how much the IP permission aspect takes away from potential new creative shit. I recall Gura talks about wanting to do tons of new stuff but getting the permissions wasn't possible.

there dumping alot of money in to the hololive event so no money for good streams

First of all we need to save holo jp from this holo en sjwlgbtdffvhuhbbj+ crap

rushia fucked it up for everyone

>>18773332
Mori is the only one that will likely graduate, mostly just to movie on to other works. The other will not leave anytime soon, the money is to good.

gen 3 will save hololive EN by being the first mixed gen

>>18771039
Fire Omegatranny

>>18773382
Mori, yes. Ina, very unlikely, she likes working for Hololive.

>>18773593
>85% Gift subs

>>18775858
Cant watch a steamers that don't stream.

lol what with the constant holo jelousy in this board, if an indie or another corpo do fine its not celebration unless they beat a holo

>>18771039
Ironmouse is FOTM for normies that bandwagon om a streamer for a month or two before ditching for the next shiny streamer. A few months back it was some korean chick. And now for Ironmouse, in her case she got massively buffed through a combination of her own hard work collabbing with high view streamers and a mix of pity and saviorfags coming out of the woodwork to say they helped some poor Hispanic bubble girl get money.

HololiveEN is stagnating though. They don't put in the sort of hours like the twitch crowd and their game choices are so vanilla by personal choice or hamstrung by permissions that no one wants to watch them play Minecraft and talk to chat when they could be watching the newest AAA game release.

>>18778626
>another schizo who has no life and thinks that if a streamer doesn't stream 24/7 they "never stream".

>>18771912
Kiara has actually work ethic, in fact I remember when she was talking about how she worked with japanese managers prior to Hololive and said not a single myth girl could have handle that level of stress and demand.

She's used to the rigors of JP management, she also actually wants to be an idol and perform to a huge audience, the rest of them don't really give them a shit, neither does the audience considering the most JP like EN member is the least popular, and the twitch zoomers are hyper popular.
The reason Holo is getting stale is because theyre a walled off garden, they don't innovate, they don't change their approach, they just stick to what works for them, problem is its no longer as shiny as its used to be the and market is super saturated right now, and I'm not even talking about Niji's, Twitch for example, lots of companies that are having trouble on youtube are finding new life over there.

And the elephant in the room is that the girls they hire just aren't very mentally stable, they're also very unhealthy judging by the avalanche of problems the EN girls have, mentally ill people are easy to control, but they're not very reliable.

>>18778554
How much data is out there on api sites? I've seen the screencap of paid subs/prime subs/gifted subs, but I want to know who and when people gifted subs. My guess is that a few turbo orbiters overdraw their entire account for gifted subs, especially since a similar thing happened with members of Melody's fanbase.

>>18778919
FOTM hunting is the meta for Twitch for quite some time. Reddit's credo since its creation is FOTM hunting and shitting the thing into the ground before heading for a another victim.
While you are right about Holos not streaming as much as a twitch streamer, keep in mind how much money they still make with a fraction of the streaming "work" involved. Well, not like the react meta on twitch is particularly straining either.

>>18771233
Basically this, the more normalfaggots flock there, the better

>>18779319
ironmouse has 6k paid everything else is gifted, still retards here think she was doing bad when she is the most watch vtuber on twitch and the best paid theres no FOTM

>>18779565
ironmouse was defintely much higher than 6k subs before the subathon started. It was somewhere more like 15 I believe.

>>18779800
paid, not gifted or prime

>>18772701
Fucking agreed and I'm a /vsj/fag.
I want them to go back to gaming/chatting together like they used to instead of sitting on their ass watching fucking youtube.

>>18775589
They hated him because he said the truth.
I've spent the last year watching all the up and coming EN small corpos, and it's night and day in the work ethic between some of them and Myth/Council. When you have girls who are literally working full time jobs who just love streaming so much that they decide to stream during their lunch break AND then also stream when they get back from work, that shows me how some girls are truly passionate for what they do.
If anyone ever says "well myth and council don't stream because they're busy", I simply will not buy it any more. Someone who loves stream and loves their fanbase will always, always, always find a way to make it work.

>>18772701
>Surely this will be time Twitch cracks down on react content

>>18779565
>>18779800
>>18779869
6K paid. 5K prime. All the girls usually float around 40% gifted and keeping a constant flow of viewers keeps the new whales coming. The subathon is distorting the hell out of this, but that's what subathons always do. Ludwig's 280K was all gifted too. Probably why he ended at 1 month instead of trying to fight the falloff.

>>18780340
No he ended because he didn't want to stream 24/7 for the rest of his life. No one really does these subathons for "milestones", it's to make a shitload of money fast with subs and ad revenue

>>18780435
Could be. His chat certainly seemed to want to see how many days they could draw the last 5 minutes out to.
I'm just speculating that it's harder to generate hype when the number goes down in huge chunks. Saw it in Mouse's stream as well when her birthday gifts were wearing off and idiots in chat who can't count to 30 were spazzing the counter was broken.

>>18779800
>>18779869
>>18780340
Heard you guys like numbers. I wish there was more data available because something feels off here with the data accessible and knowing its a subathon.

>With Iron Mouse becoming the face of Western Vtubing on Twitch

face for a month and on Twitch kek

>>18780719
welcome to 2022 grandpa

>>18780951
so who's the face of the Western Vtubing on Twitch next month SON? kek

>>18780691
If your issue is the sub count categories vs total;
prime + tiered + unlisted
I have no idea how the website does it's counts or wtf "unlisted" actually is.

>>18781380
Gift subs are my issue here. If we use tier 2 and 3 subs as a baseline of her "core" audience, there's pretty much no change here. Prime subs tripling over the subathon is fine, but the gifted sub count just seems way out of line compared to her follower increase in that time frame. The only conclusion I can draw from this here is that a small group of people is inflating the number to ridiculous proportions.

>>18780691
$400k worth of subs is impressive but come on Pekora sold over $1 million worth of merch. Irys made over $100k from vinyl's, cds and cassettes + however much top 6 in both Itunes and amazon music in digital downloads was worth. Impressive is how much her fans were willing to spend without receiving anything in return besides clout.

>>18781811
Ah. Yes. That is entirely the truth.
Whales get hyped into trying to be the biggest whale. Same goes in a lot of subathons, but it gets exaggerated in smaller streams like Mouse and Shylily where a few whales carry 80% of the numbers.

>>18781037
i dont think there is a face because there are many ways to get into vtubers and different platforms, back when holoEN debut there were barely less than 100 vtubers in the west now the market is completly different

>>18781850
merch is valuable, try to get a gura nendoroid

>>18782002
>Small number of whales artificially pump up numbers to satisfy their ego
So Ironmouse is basically nothing but an NFT in the eyes of her audience?

>>18771039
I honestly have no idea where all these posts trying to pit Ironmouse against other people are even coming from. I don't really know about her much beyond being crippled so maybe that's it? and part of the shitshow, but as far as I know she hasn't really stepped on any toes and actively seems to be a unitychad telling Connor to fuck off with his shit so she seems like a weird target to pick.
At least choose Veibae or something, I've heard and seen nothing but bad about her and she's apparently fucking some normalfag streamer now.

>>18771039
Easy, just wait a month for 80% of Mousey's gifted subs to expire

>fandeads seething because mousey proved you don't need to be GFE to make half a million dollars in less than a month

>>18782468
The same goes for superchat stats you know.
Making it into an issue is a slippery slope.

Subathons are a distortion and people get hyped over the numbers more than usual. Though since you bring it up, it is a real problem that some guys think their big donos mean they have personal access to the streamer. They can get parasocial over it.
Such is the life of a whale and part of why I dislike subathons, along with the dilution of content quality.

>>18782839
I'm /vsj/ and can say that some of it comes from our end. People are tribal and want to stir up shit and I hate every one of them.
The rest are people using VS to bait and shitpost which is normal for this place.
Mouse is a total unityfag. She loves vtubers, simple as. She gets picked just because she's got big numbers right now and both VS and anti-VS are using her to bait.

>>18783776
>People are tribal and want to stir up shit and I hate every one of them.
Based, causing chaos is fun.
I don't even watch vtubers anymore, it's just fun to mess with people on this board.

>>18771039
Everyone can do a subathon. every one can be an exploitative whores for pity points. but Vwhoreniggers celebreate like it's their greatest achievement and make a thread to brag about it
nonstop on irrelevant website, just shows how lack of talent and relevancy these western whores are, hell, one of them even going full 3dpd, it's so disgusting.you should be ashamed for supporting whores.

>>18783169
is not always about the streamer but the community, like you become a cornerstone for others and the bigger the community bigger the gift

>>18783776
Just weird to me that "temporary but massive boost in income for vtuber 90% of the board doesn't care about" is enough for some schizo to make a dozen threads over it.

>>18784052
Yeah, that's the good outcome of it.
There's lots of good whales out there who just want to support their streamer and they do inspire others to do the same.
I get jaded from seeing the bad outcomes too often where the dude goes full retard and ends up getting banned, or broke or both.

>>18784257
Really? That surprises you? Here?
Where said schizos also makes 40 threads about Rushia every damn day?
This place isn't an example of stable people having serious discussion. It's a shitposting board and echochamber.

>>18784569
well im no saying as its something good but its more an addiction, these people become dependent of the community more than the streamer and have the need to maintain the community big for their own personal reasons

>>18784806
My mistake.
That's a shit outcome as well.
At least I managed to feel somewhat positive for one whole post.

>>18781850

where did you get the numbers for irys and pekora

>>18784708
>shitposting board and echochamber.
how new?

>>18771039
We wait for holofest and freedom to use 3D, it's easy like that

>>18781850
Peko et al are much more stable long-term. Are those stats for release? or for the entire time since release? Good income either way.
Mouse's money is burst income so while it's big, it's not sustainable. She's got a healthy 13K avg ccv and makes about 50K/month in take-home pay and I have no idea why that wouldn't be enough, but here we are.
Maybe she's speedrunning a new home or something.

>Muh work ethic
>Muh passion
If you haven't noticed it's normal for those who lack talent to compensate for that in other areas.

>>18771039
Cover hires a gen 3 that actually enjoys streaming and gets lucky in that they don't hate their co-workers.

>>18779147
Name a single vtuber who IS mentally stable lol. Twitch thot types are even worse when it comes to this.

>the most JP like EN member is the least popular
How is Sana like JPs?

>>18771039
HoloEN would probably have more of a presence if they liked streaming. The counter-example to this is Bae currently, but she's also going through the "vtuber starter set" as far as content goes so even though she's streaming often, none of it is interesting.

You've got a group of people who were hired to stream and they don't stream. Yeah, no fucking shit their online presence and overall influence has died down a bit over the past year. People who are interested in vtubers who have branched out have found alternate streamers outside of Hololive who fit their tastes more. It's gonna happen no matter what.

>>18784002
This seething nigger.

>>18771039
>twitch
>mattering
>to vtubing
funee joek.

>>18776146
>scouting
you know she was hired just because she's ina's friend, right?

>>18771039
>on Twitch
Whoop de fucking do.

>>18771039
Why would less shitposting using HoloEN is a bad thing?