/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Will you learn from your mistakes or continue to live in ignorance?

>>18188705
Sorry i wouldn’t know, I only watch men

>>18188705
Did you just use time to make that to make thread /here/ to make a point? What a faggot.

>>18188812
>esl

>>18188705
Yeah. Honeymoon phase officially over.

>>18188705
yes, it's a shame really, these e-girls couldn't even keep up the simple act, they all fall apart and let it slip so easily. Such a simple formula:
>1.pretend to be anime girl
>2.don't be a cunt, play along
>3.be retarded and goofy while playing games or something
>4.don't drag personal life shit into vtubing
>5.keep boyfriends/husbands/sexfriend's FAR AWAY from vtuber social media
>6.collect thousands of dollars from lonely men
>7.Repeat
I honestly don't get why it's so hard to follow this, but I guess all the money and influence gets to their heads and they think they can drop it all and be a
"typical thot" about things.

>>18188705
Half and half.
Vtubers are often girls who couldn't cut it as egirls.

>>18189561
It's funny that this is all happening around the same time that NSO is still trendy. People are now well aware of the double life these vtubers are leading, and drama like this lays it bear for everyone to see.

>>18188705
Took you this long to realize that?

>>18188898
Sooo... Yes?

>>18188800
unironically based

>>18189704
Isn't noel more successful as an egirl than a holo?

>>18188705
Yes, the tourists were right. It was all fake. Pack it up boys.

>>18189561
Why you gotta act like an unironically incel fag?

>>18189561
This

>>18190136
he said "often" as in, not every time
yes that whore is making more on her porn account that vtuber account

>>18189561
this.
women have the easiest job and they still fuck it up. dumb bitches.

>>18188705

>>18188705
>They don't play characters
>They don't wat to play a character
Yes, they are E-thots with anime avatars

>>18188800
Faggot.

>>18190189
kill yourself redditor

>>18190344
always ignored noel. i thought she was called a whore for the thumbnails. does she actually have an alt?

>>18189880
Your question was unintelligible to begin with so I don't think they could answer either way

>>18188705
Sadly, it's true. And I'm checking out. The truth is out and it's very ugly.

>>18188705
well duh

>>18190344
Don't spread nasty rumors, she's never even shown a single nipple

>>18189561
>Have it THIS FUCKING EASY and they still fuck it all up
Women are failures.

>>18191925
At least I don’t spend my time watching unfunny women who pretend to be my girlfriend as they play video games badly

>>18189561
zoomer women in a nutshell

>>18188705
/jp/ tried to warn you.

>>18192142
No you just spend time sucking black dick.

>>18188800
Incredibly based.

>>18188705
Playing the character is the difference between ethot and an Vtuber, but 'playing a character is cringe'. Ok, now you have this. Bandwagoners got the industry they fucking deserved.

>>18189561
You don't understand women anon, they want all the fame/money/bf/cheating, everything without any of the drawbacks, that's what women are in reality.

>>18192003
bruh she got some big ass titties like some ginormous bazongagongs like you wouldn't believe my guy.

>Most people rejected his message
>They hated Jesus because He told them the truth
Gal 4:16

>>18188705
My oshi has skills and goals, progressing towards them, controls her and her chat behavior and surrounding narrative like a demigod. Unless someone leaks full discord logs or something like that i'm pretty safe in my delusions.

>>18192336
Mutt's law in practice

I think there can be a line between "gfe" and "they insult your dick and call you ugly and poor and weird", which is what you sometimes get. Like maybe just be a decent person.

>>18190189
Kill yourself.

>>18192770
That's some gay reddit thing, right? Well, go back there faggot.

>>18192083
We've seen the pepperoni

>>18192522
>wants the job, the lover, the option to cheat on said lover with few repercussions, the high life and the fans who fund it
Man that's just a male performer anywhere

>>18188705

What breaks me is the idea of being exploited by somebody who actually hates me.

You are the company you keep, and what Rushia did was fucking vile. So even though I'm not a gachi and don't care for GFE, I can't help but think that the other Holos hung around this broad and were OK with how she was exploiting her fanbase. And if they were OK with that, what do they think about their own fans?

And it's not just Hololive. For example, Hana and Enna from Nijisanji got on the bad side of /vt/ schizos because they criticized unicorns. That's par for the course and I used to think it was really funny, until this shitstorm made me think it over. Because they criticized *unicorns*, but they were completely mute on GFE as a concept, and on the vtubers that exploit the concept. Even though, from their position on the inside looking out, it should have been extremely clear that GFE whores are every bit as vile as the most incel gachikoi. And if they were willing to criticize the audience but not these people, then what am I supposed to infer that they think of their fans? And if it is disdain, what am I supposed to infer that their genmates who hang around them think of theirs?

I work hard for the money I have. It's not wrong to be wary of giving it to people who think I'm a moron for doing so.

>>18188705
always has been

>>18189561
>Keep personal shit separate from Vtuber shit
>Doxxfags still drag it up to the surface.
I know that's not what happened with Rushia but doxxcord retards actively try to blur the lines.

>>18193394
Enna? What did she do? Was that from her recent stream with Millie?

>>18193394
t. Man slowly realizing that it's all been about making money from the very beginning.
None of their coworkers would think ill of them for exploiting their fans because they also do it. Did people forget that this is all corpo shit at the end of the day?

>>18193725
Yeah, shat on unicorns during the NSO stream. Which again, I think is fine on the surface, if not for what I mentioned.

>>18188705
You're the ones who made based vtubers a dying breed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohfmA3Hs3I

>>18193394
I get you. I don't watch rushia or gfe but this all feels gross. It's so different than any other yab its unreal. I wasn't ready for this yab.

>>18193936
I'd give Enna a pass because I don't get the impression she leans on the GFE angle at all. I only watch her sometimes, though. She may have avoided touching the topic of GFE vTubing as a whole because you never know who might be watching and the last thing you want to do is offend someone in your network. Now, if it were Nene trying to give this talk, lmao holy shit.

>>18193394
He actually thinks that his oshi doesn't think he's a pathetic human being that relies on GFE.

>>18193394
At the end of the day, the only one who had your back was Artia, telling the facts as they were.

I believe there are good spirited women with common sense that don't need to prostitute themselves to be succesful.

the niji ID girl was right all along

>>18194154
That materialistic chink gold-digger? Don't even start.

>>18190189
Get dicks out of your mouth, I can't understand you

>>18194277
She told the truth and yet you refused to listen.

>>18193394
Let's also not forget about the Corporation behind the GFE content creator. The corporation that makes a truckload of money off of merch like engament rings. A lot of people are working in the background and are fine with this.

not my oshi

>>18193394
>idea of being exploited by somebody who actually hates me
This is grounds for murder in my book. It's why I'm more careful than ever about sc'ing anyone these days.

>>18194320
She's not the first nor the last who could have had a moment of temporary logic, but let's not forget she abandoned her Twitch viewerbase to stream for Bilibili and when confronted about it, she was just "oh well." She also unironically believes money is everything, so given the persuasion, you can't trust her to hold true to her beliefs.

Just don't watch GFE vTubers, it's that simple. You don't have to be a genius to understand.

>>18188705
They don't bother playing a character or keeping with their lores past two weeks but want to hide behind muh character whenever it's convenient for them, kek. Did you REALLY belieb it?

>>18189561
It's hilarious how men are better at being anime girls than women. They're even better at gfe.

>>18188705
They're actually worse. Facecam girls actually need to stay in shape and make themselves look good and can't get away with being pieces of shit and have people defend them as being part of their 'character'.

>>18194117
Enna distinctly doesn't do it. I don't know about Hana. I haven't watched her in over a year since her dad came on stream and got weirdly political.

>>18194431
I watch Vtubers for their content and entertainment. It could all be a script and if I had fun, it is fine. People who need to peak behind the curtain ruins it for everyone else.

>>18194339
merchandise rails for idol industry were set back in showa era at least, we are getting very late exports with slight technological uplift, really.
Choose your chuuba wisely, think twice before committing. Don't rely on GFE unless you really know what exactly you are doing. Stay safe /a/nons

>>18194339
I doubt most people but higher ups and direct friends knew.

>>18194383
SC'ing is a complete waste of money. Especially towards corpo Vtubers. They make way more off sponsorships that SC can't compare.

>>18194673
That's why you only buy membership. You show your support by giving $5 and they give you exclusive content.

Giving someone $100 just for them to say "hey thank lol" gives me nothing and makes me wonder what the fuck i'm doing. You may as well gacha at that point.

>>18194639
Those higher ups, middle management, personal manager, etc. who knew could have stepped in, tell her to tone it down but didn't because they don't care about their customers, only about their money and short term gain.

>>18193622
Dox have no power if the girl in question is actually professional. If the account is locked to begin with then there is zero drama to leech, being silent around personal accounts helps too. But what you see in not the case, on the contrary is often used as tool.
Dox from the vtuber side is a back door to use when graduating and plan to keep streaming without mayor loses. Only when things turn sour they delete everything but never before when rumors of the account existence are circulating. At the start it may be repulsing and invasive but eventually they get used to it, just like how shut ins eventually become social in this medium.

>>18194673
We're not SCing you either, you 2veiw bitch.

>>18188800
basado

>>18194117
>I'd give Enna a pass because I don't get the impression she leans on the GFE angle at all.
She gives kisses for SCs. The boEnnappetit series. Her xmas voicepack was about spending the day alone with you and confessing it was her first Xmas alone with someone. She's a hypocrite of the tallest order. She panders to them then mocks them a second later. Pick a side and stick with. It would've been fine if she played hard to catch but she straight up look down on them.

>>18195215
? Settle down sperg, I don't even stream.

Friendly reminder for all: even if your Oshi did notice you, she'd think you're a freak. No level of JOP will ever be enough to smoothly integrate you into Japanese society. You'll always be a foreigner trying to integrate into a high-context, xenophobic culture. You'll piss her off without even trying. You thought women in your home country were bad? Oh, just you wait.

>>18195313
Yep, she's a massive bitch.

>>18195492
I...I just want to listen to her sing though...

>>18188705
> WAAAAAH HOLO EN WAS A MISTAKE, CALLI HOW COULD YOU...LEAST JP WILL NEVER HURT ME

> Last 36 hours

surprisedpikachu.gif

>>18195622
More like the JP that aren't menhera will never hurt you.

>>18194442
>They're even better at gfe.
example? asking for a friend

>>18195313
Fair enough. I never listened to her VPs and I hardly watch her because I have no time.

What the fuck is a "GFE"?
Is that a term that originated on reddit or /pol/?

>>18195005
even membership seems iffy, maybe I'm just old-fashioned but paying for something digital that you can't even keep is weird to me.

>>18195720
No it originated with prostitutes.

>>18195492
>No level of JOP
>how to expose yourself as a tourist

>>18195762
t. seething JOP

>>18188705
Okay, and?

>>18194170
It's 2022
Robot wife still isn't a thing yet mister time traveler

>Be popular Hololive vtuber
>Your entire thing is just being an insane menhera who is co-dependent with your audience
>Your last bit of merchandise was a fucking wedding ring
>Somehow it does not occur to you to keep your work and personal discords separate.

On a level of 1 to 10, this is like a 50 on the fuck up scale, like its just that simple, keep your personal discord on your phone or a laptop nearby, that's it, why the FUCK would your BF have your work discord.

>>18195801
How new?

>>18195980
Use your braincell and the answer will be obvious, Tips : she an menhera in parasocial relation with him for 10 year now

>>18195929
robogirls are peak wholesome

>>18193085
She can't help that, big boobs naturally have big aerola

>>18193394
You''re reading to much into what Enna said, hell it wasnt even something she said, she was just mocking people who get angry when a girl talks to another dude.
She was mocking idolfags and unicorns in general.

>>18193998
>You're the ones who made based vtubers a dying breed.
Vtubers are doing better than ever and more keep showing up everyday.
Vtubing is more than Holoshit.

>>18192560
I mean they are big but you have to keep in mind that they're not disporportionately big for her size. They're just big tits.

>>18195622
Its even funnier because Rushia was always used as this shining example of GFE.

>>18190136
Man, I don't understand why people still watch Noel, that bitch act like your typical e-thot without a thought, streaming her body and shit and get money for showing her boobs.
At this point, i think most of her viewer are e-thotfags

I like Hololive vtubers because they're under contract to not talk about politics, current events, and personal drama.
I don't watch indies for the same reason I don't watch e-girl streamers.

>>18193394
millie is doing it

>he took too long to realize this
Mutts, the lot of you
This take have won me a fucking 2080 super and another one if they become a consistent e-whore showing partial/full nudity which is just a matter of time

>>18188705
I don't know why anyone ever thought a 3D girl playing a 2D character was any different from just a 3D girl. The only real difference is just the amount of makeup/window dressing they have on. I guess the prospect of a parasocial relationship with a "2D anime girl" was too strong for a lot of people.

>>18198089
Some people legit cannot separate reality from fiction, and I assume some thought the 3D whores could at least be professional enough to not break the act while on camera.

>>18192396
Oyabun I'm sorry I called you a chink cocksleeve please come back and deliver us from these fake whores

>>18198089
But 3D girls play 2D characters all the time?

>>18197915
Fucking scalper.

>>18188800
Based and videogamepilled

>>18190189
You a twitterfag or a redditfag?

APOLOGIZE

>>18188800
based

>>18189561
Some 95% of women are mentally retarded and/or have a personality disorder of some sort.

>>18196890
The same reason I dont watch most male youtubers, they all went super political...got too scared to make edgy jokes anymore. Ill take some anime chicks who play a character on and off anytime.

>>18198783
No anon, 3D girls have 1D personalities.

>>18198849
I've gotten it when it was being sold on MSRP

>>18188705
Yeah

>>18188800
My man

>>18195980
Most people are not safety and security oriented. Most people whose job it is to be safety and security oriented aren't even always that good at it.
If I have millions of dollars riding on maintaining a separate identity like that, I'd have work and personal accounts on completely different devices, in separate rooms, and put my stream on a slight time delay with a dead man switch footpedal under my desk so that even if someone bursts in and says my real name, physical address, and social security number, I could cut the feed before it went out.
At Rushia's income and stalker risk level, you're basically operating like an online drug dealer who also needs to have a camera on your face while you're working.

Oh, and also I'd have all electronics on a physically isolated power supply disconnected from the mains, because otherwise some fuck is inevitably going to pull some electrical network frequency acoustic side channel bullshit on me: https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3178876.3186100

>>18192003
She does but her hands look rough and ugly as fuck, probably from all the soap rubbing for years

>>18188800
Spbp

>>18188705
pekora isn't just a normal e-girl.

>>18208191
>If I have millions of dollars riding on maintaining a separate identity like that, I'd have work and personal accounts on completely different devices, in separate rooms, and put my stream on a slight time delay with a dead man switch footpedal under my desk so that even if someone bursts in and says my real name, physical address, and social security number, I could cut the feed before it went out.
kek I have had this exact line of thought when randomly contemplating what I would do if I was a streamer.

the fact that people stream from personal machines is beyond absurd to me, if your job is to stream video games at least drop the chump change on a second isolated computer.

I don't like anime.
I don't like streamers.
Why can't I enjoy vtubers?

>>18208191
PEBKAC!

>>18195005
Just watch a 2view if you want someone to respond to you.

>>18188705
hana was right

nah this is only the first trumpet, many much worse yabs to come

>>18195089
>they don't care about their customers
They don't even care about the talents, either. You have no idea how bad things really are.

>>18209844
please share what you know with the rest of the class anon

>>18195705
The one guy who pretended to be a sickly young mute girl and made bank, even after getting caught he had no remorse and kept the act. Also Zentreya.

>>18197915
>"Hmmm what is a tuhoe? Eeeh doesn't matter, I'll just make a funny face with it and make 20 bucks from this mouth breather."

Not every female content creator or streamer is an e-girl

You ENs wish.

>>18210715
lol

>>18210715
Wrong.

Anyone else feel like this is all orchestrated?

>Mori
>Rushia
>Gura

It's like all these yabs are suddenly pouring in at full force.

>>18195705
>>18210356
I think you be referring to Nora Cat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIFbgtiQnZY

>>18210715
it's literally what makes them an egirl. Otherwise they'd just be a femanon.

>>18188800
absolutely based

>>18195622
>>18196714
I think that's why it's so funny. Rushia was always held up as the perfect chuuba with which the ENs could never dream to live up to. Turns out she's a female like the rest. Roru

>>18195929
>>18196404
It's just a rice cooker with some brainpower.

>>18210945
Nope not this guy it was another guy who got found out because he was a music remixer or something of the sort in a link in his social media. He pretended to be a mute girl who needed surgery to get donations, a real fucking piece of shit. I can't find it on judetube either, it's getting memoryholed hard.

>>18211341
Yeah, all it really exposed is that the ENs at least are too incompetent to lie to you at that level. It legitimately seems like they are unwilling or just unable to be that much of a lying bitch. The JPs have no such qualms and would probably fake a suicide to get simp money.

if you have an oshi you are a fucking cuck. plain and simple. This vtuber simping is a fucking psychological disease.

>>18190189
Found the obvious woman, Hang yourself.

>>18188705
If that were true there wouldn't be a legion of anti-anime e-thot simps shitting up this board right now.

>>18212005
>The JPs have no such qualms and would probably fake a suicide to get simp money.
Probably? That has literally happened hasn't it?

>>18212146
this, the fact that this even needs to be said fills me with disgust.

I miss the 2000's internet where being an attention whore/camgirl meant you got ruthlessly trolled and mocked.

>>18212422
if the barrier to entry to be a VTuber was tits or gtfo we'd all be better off

>>18190189
BASED

>>18195313
During the NSO stream it was all "muh mental issues" but suddendly forgets that maybe Unicorns and idolfag suffer from that shit too.

Oh right, fuck man but help weiman

>>18197336
Thats why you dont watch any english speaking woman vermin, unless shes actually Japanese.

>>18211497
Source of this is "Boku no Tsuma wa Kanjou ga Nai" btw

>>18212720
>muhhh pure japanese waifu!
i can't believe you retards are still trying this now of all times

>>18210924
>gura
qrd?

>>18212963
Not about the race retard, about the work culture.

Christ these autist are getting dumber by the year

>>18194170
Yea thats most women. You can all act like women are some evil boogie man, but at some point you need to unironically go outside.

>>18188705
I love how it was one of /hlg/‘s favorites that revealed the truth after all the shit they talked about EN.

>>18196845
Because she actually make quality ASMR contents. But ofc you wouldnt understand that you trannie

>>18213177
yeah "ASMR" that coincidentally also has her dressed in skimpy outfits with her giant tits shoved right in front of the camera lmao.

she's a camwhore bro.

>>18213056
>most women are good people

Sounds like you need to go outside.

>>18213177
"quality"

I found the retard paying for her shitty "sexy asmr" bullshit.

>>18208191
>and put my stream on a slight time delay with a dead man switch footpedal under my desk so that even if someone bursts in and says my real name, physical address, and social security number, I could cut the feed before it went out.
Holy based, that's smart

>>18192396
Fucking based the golden era was far better then this current era. Back then you watched for the characters and the wacky situations. They’re was no real person behind it. Not it’s just streamers playing the latest garbage.

>>18208191
Fucking kek. I've been thinking the same as you and even deleted most of my social media from back when I was a teenager just in case I ever decided to become a streamer so I could never get doxxed, even though I could never make it.
People don't really consider their opsec and are posting about their daily lives with not a single ounce of security, they post pictures of their houses, pictures of when they go out, of their kids, their last meal, everything.
The normal person doesn't have the foresight to consider security. Honestly this kind of niche could make some good money, providing good opsec for streamers.

>>18215673
Isn't that the point of a "social media manager"? But yeah, there might be a market for that.

>>18208191
>because otherwise some fuck is inevitably going to pull some electrical network frequency acoustic side channel bullshit on me
easy to understand video for people; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0elNU0iOMY

>>18188800
Based fag

>>18212422
normies were a mistake

Do you care if your favorite hollywood actor is a shitty human being? you liked them for the act (and perhaps the appearance) and that’s it
>inb4 “yes I care”
You shouldn’t.

They knew about Rushia's boyfriend.
They all did. Don't trust a single one, not even Gen 6.

>>18188705
It applies to HoloEN 100%

>>18216948
Do famous actors drop the act in the middle of a movie and act like themselves? Obviously not

>>18216948
Famous actor doesn't scold me for talking to other women

>>18216948
>having a favorite pedowood actor

>>18188800
BASED

>>18216063
>Isn't that the point of a "social media manager"?
If he can't even tell her to use two different Discord accounts then I'm not sure what's he supposed to be doing. I guess they just reply to tweets and shit.

>>18193394
same
same...
fucking same...
fucking speechless...

>>18193394
Yeah, it kind of casts a wide net of doubt on a lot of them. I mean not all the members are close to each other but many of them must have know what she was doing.
Well the whole thing has made me respect Fubuki a lot more at least.

>>18196654
those are the best kind…

>>18189561
There are some clever enough to do this.

>>18212422
>>18212521
>>18212146
>>18216898
tourists. go back

>>18193374
This, men and women are all the same, you're angry at just women because that's who you're sexually attracted to.

>>18188705
>in the end
No no, since the beginning.

>>18213177
>tranny deflection from coping noelfag
bruh I go on pornhub search big boob get five million result your bitch is redundant

>>18192396
This. People don't actually want to watch vtubers. They want to watch e-thots with anime avatars and then delude themselves into thinking they watch vtubers.

An egirl with low views/subs can just show their boobs and boom instant success.
A vtuber can't really do that. Vtubers need to do something more.
In Rushia's case that's roleplaying as your girlfriend.
Even having a big boob avatar really doesn't help that much if the vtuber is boring.

>>18188705
It's true.

>>18189561
>2.don't be a cunt, play along
>4.don't drag personal life shit into vtubing
women literally cannot help themselves on these 2 points

The annoying orange would never fuck some guy, lets bring him back

>>18188705
i just simply dont care since i didnt pay a cent to vtubers
they are just for entertainment
unironically if botan got a boyfriend i would be happy since she is a hag same as Pochi sensei

>>18213056
>>18213431
Most people are not good people, is the reality.

>>18228997
Yeah but other people do care, and I can understand the perspectives of others.

>>18192396
she will always be the golden standard

>>18211497
>It's just a rice cooker with some brainpower.
Exactly. The girlfriend material I really need right about now.

Hello Anons, I'm new to vtubing, where should I start from?

>>18229089
>can understand the perspectives of others.
what perspective anon ?

>>18229662
I'd kill you if I could.
You start where you end, hanging off a lightpole.

>>18188705
Of course, It was obvious to anyone who isn't detached from reality

>>18225332
>you're angry at just women because that's who you're sexually attracted to.
What

>>18218424
No, they scold you for not liking Disney/Amazon/Netflix's latest raping of your favorite franchise.

>>18230610
You don't get angry at males doing the exact same thing you get mad at women for.

>>18229864
Why are you mad?

>>18188705
In the end it doesn't even matter.

Yeah, next time I spend 300 stream points to throw a bycicle at a loli I'll think long and hard about the effects of parasocial relationships lmao