/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://youtubeliveen.soraweb.net/ex/バーチャルYouTuber
>https://mix.live-ranking.com/?keyword=バーチャルYouTuber

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>62,187: Aqua (Hololive)
>36,289: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>32,723: Rushia (Hololive)
>25,435: Subaru (Hololive)
>21,377: Pekora (Hololive)
>19,479: Pekora (Hololive)
>18,635: Botan (Hololive)
>18,476: Laplus (Hololive)
>18,000: Chloe (Hololive)
>16,912: Miko (Hololive)
>16,835: Patra (774 Inc.)
>15,409: Mumei (Hololive)
>14,952: Mito (Nijisanji)
>14,646: Lize (Nijisanji)
>14,321: Kanata (Hololive)
>13,853: Nene (Hololive)
>12,803: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji)
>11,908: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,802: Lamy (Hololive)
>11,624: Vox (Nijisanji)
>10,885: Lamy (Hololive)
>10,706: Kanae (Nijisanji)

>>17958544
Pekora...

faggoty thread for tourists. stop shitting up the catalog with my oshi.

>>17958544
Flare....

>>17958684
cry more, faggot. As if people don't come here to shit up the place either

>>17958544
Flurea...

>>17958594
Market correction was inevitable

I love women

>>17958544
tally anon really hates flare...

>>17958544
15 holos
6 nijis
1 774
9-1 top 10
nice day for holos

>>17958544
>11,624: Vox (Nijisanji)

mori and bae combined can't even beat vox

>>17958594
That's PSG messi tier drop kind of thing

>>17958544
Nijikeks...

>>17957661
Does /#/ have any theme song? I think this is fitting for us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxNGMvNIvP8

>>17959088
even mysta mogs them these days
it takes unarchived karaokes or the en queen herself to beat luxiem

>>17959088
At this point even the NijiEN girls are getting views comparable to HoloEN.

>>17958753
>>17958885
>>17959013
Sorry Flare, I usually wait when there is someone close enough to 10k but when I tallied Flare was at 9.4 and Yashiro, 9.5.

>>17959155
They dont stream.
When they stream,they play debuff games.EN management needs to get fired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwTldpmjA6U

sheesh the animation quality of this guy is insane. Last animation with holoen sans gura didn't even beat 1 mil views yet
I loved big sana though ngl

>>17959186
`This is like the 4th time you've done this to her. I know you're an anti but keep your venom inside.

>>17959331
Anon, at some point you need to make the call. The JP side is even more ruthless, they cut it off right at midnight.

>>17959155
Has a single nijien girl ever had a monthly median higher than any holoen yet?

>>17959385
Why does everyone hate Flare? I will save her myself.

>Rushia
1,075,452円
>Chloe
1,090,628円

Stinky bros I don't feel so good.

>>17959384
No. Selen got within 300 of Sana in December. The gap ballooned to 1200 in January.

>>17959308
One of hololive's gravest mistake is not hiring this guy or even crediting him for Umisea

>>17959308
> insanely good animator
> giantess fetish
why can't creative types have normal fetishes...

>>17959426
It's not so much they hate flare specifically, it's just midnight/1am JST is a reasonable end point, and flare, Watame and any of the other Holos that start near midnight and go on for hours and end up catching funnels of the other girls just happen to get the short end of the ranking stick because of it.

>>17959503
Nijis are boring people.

>>17959503
Normal people are BORING.

>>17959503
what's a normal fetish for you?

>>17958544
*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*
Here it goes
>15,409: Mumei (Hololive)
>11,625: Vox (Nijisanji)
>9,881: Amelia (Hololive)
>8,424: Luca (Nijisanji)
>7,339: Shu (Nijisanji)
>6,843: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,151: Baelz (Hololive)

>>17959115
She doesn't have a Messi Shirt +used to be called Pessi by the Nousagis for nothing...

>>17959115
Both of them are frauds I'm afraid.

>>17959016
>She never pandered to anyone
kek
lmao even

>>17959432
Why wouldn't you feel good after beating *the* SC queen for the same type of stream?

>>17959582
Strong day for NijiEN but HoloEN still captures 2 out of the 3 medals.

>>17959582
Mori can't even make the 5k cut...

>>17959432
They were basically doing the same thing and Rushia was doing it on a more popular game so she had the bigger buff. The stinky whale still beat her. Move over Rushia, there is a new queen in town.

>>17959432
Stay mad orcaschizo

>>17959589
Shit unrelated but the name Messi suddenly make me remember how XQC read his name as “Mes-sai”
Shits funny, he and Pekora sometime resemble each other so much it’s uncanny

>>17959582
The nijiENmales being a certified success is impressive, I think many people in this thread wouldn't have guessed that it would work out like that back in the summer (myself included)

/#/ is declining.

>>17959582
NEW FORMAT!!!

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*
Here it goes

GOLD
>15,409: Mumei (Hololive)
SILVER
>11,625: Vox (Nijisanji)
BRONZE
>9,881: Amelia (Hololive)
HONORABLE MENTIONS
>8,424: Luca (Nijisanji)
>7,339: Shu (Nijisanji)
>6,843: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,151: Baelz (Hololive)

>>17959754
She debuffed herself,
even Ame debuffed herself on her Apex stream.

>>17959539
NTR

>>17959888
Being buffed by bugs isn't being a success.

>>17959680
You're not gonna like my logic on how I mixed up which was bigger.
>1.090m? That isn't even 1.1m.
>1.075m? That's almost 1.1m!

>>17959889
hey man

Hal 10k get. first of the day

>>17959754
That stream was boring as fuck.

>>17959879
Speaking of messi does hololive have EA perms?

> Ayame finally decided to kill the Korean-hate rrat

>>17960081
Who publishes Apex lol

>>17960082
that's a shame

>>17960082
Numbers??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>17960082
Even Ayame kneels... HoloKR confirmed.

>>17959989
Sad but unsurprising that the numbers thread is full of people who can't count

>>17960117
I'm talking about sport games like fifa

>>17960124
after jp times are over this is /sistas/, didn't you get the memo

>>17960082
Just some geopolitics anon

>>17960156
I think they could probably get it if they ask for it but nobody's interested in those at all for them to ask for it

>>17960156
They have blanket EA permissions as far as I'm aware. A few Nijis and Tenkai Tsukasa have streamed it before

>>17960256
forgot pic

>>17960308
Is he going to admit to the Japanese war crimes? If not then it’s just lip service.

>>17960283
asking permissions for the likeness of the soccer players and teams is going to be another can of worms too...

>>17960268
The only sport that only a few holos care about is baseball and even then I have no idea if they want to stream playing it.

HoloEN management is still sleeping.
Where are game perms?
When is EN3 debut?
What the fucking happened to Kronii?Did her computer eat her out?

>>17958544
Apex Gacha is no joke.

>>17960268
The only soccer related Hololive stream I'm aware ever happened was a Fubuki/Aki watchalong of Japan vs. Poland in the 2018 World Cup mere weeks after Hololive proper started

>>17959582
>>17959926
Ironmouse had over 20k.

As long as you keep spamming this dumbass EN gold thing, I'll be here to let you know how stupid it all is.

Lost Ark holo stream when?

Oh god, VOD culling is real. Will Haachama singing VOD even reach 40k?

>>17960359
Wouldn't that make a lot of Japs angry? I think there's a sizeable amount of japs who think they never did any of the crimes

>>17960428
Kroniis computer had depression.

>>17960480
Yeah, he would be signing the death of his political career.

>>17960466
You mean from EN since the English version just came out?

>>17960428
Kronii just doesn't want to stream.

>>17960359
The guy said so

>>17960428
Kronii's computer exploded, she does her stuff in twitter space now

>>17960561
Yes, it's the perfect game for Bae since she is already holoKR

>>17960466
That's insane, I had no idea this game was going to be that popular. It's like a 2019 Korean isometric RPG, right, why the hell are so many people streaming it

>>17960082
>Finally
EoP Anons need to watch streams.

She's a K-drama fan and has talked about korean viewers quite a few times. Back in her Apex days she even teamed up with korean streamers.

>But she rarely streams
Exactly why it should be easy to catch up.

>>17957683
>Korone used to consistently have 20k+ viewers for the second half of 2020, nowadays she's in the 10-15k range.
Just a reminder.

>>17960648
They probably spent a lot on streamers, just like how mihoyo spent a lot on streamers to promote genshin

>>17960466
jesas asmongold with 150k

>>17960698
Reminds me how Apex spent millions on Ninja to get him to stream for a couple hours.

>>17960443
There's also Kaoru (inb4 who?) playing PES and making YAGOO in it. A fucking disgrace he played on the lowest difficulty

>>17960466
>An entire FOTM category with tens of thousands of streamers
>A little over 1 million viewers

Ew, were Twitch numbers always this low?

>>17960704
190k watching him trying to run the game

>>17960611
She could buy a decent enough laptop/backup desktop to stream a zatsu or game with low requirements and easily make back the money with SCs from one or two streams while her main PC gets fixed, she just clearly doesn't want to

>>17960420
Yeah, honestly I have a stream idea wherein someone would play MLB: The Show and try to pack Shohei Ohtani since the Japanese are huge autists for both gacha and baseball but I don't think anybody would step up to the plate for that. Maybe Koro-san.

>>17960443
Wait wtf? This is kino as hell. Give me fucking Hololive watchalong of the 2022 World Cup even if they're just watching the JP games.

>>17960791
anon, did you check the news in Canada recently?

>>17960704
Fextralife with 56k viewers, 95% of which are probably just people having it autoplay against their will on game wikis.

>>17960767
Anon... the servers aren't even open yet. Nobody can play the game.

>>17960634
EN management wont do anything.

>>17960884
yea, I mostly ignore that stream's numbers since we all know it's inflated as fuck. Love his monhun world wiki though.

>>17960082
how do we solve the korean problem lads?

Hal at 18k and inclining. New Apex season buff?

>>17959926
EN list is too small for 3 medals imo. But you do you

>>17960082
HOLOKR SOON

>>17958544
Another colossal win for Aqua..if she is back for real Hololive a bloodbath this year.

>>17961036
Well, yes, since the ranked season is finished and next season is in.....25 minutes.

Gura mogged

>>17961124
If she's well and truly shaken off her baggage and is content with not overworking herself by taking literally every sponsorship deal she could manage, then maybe, but if she goes back into her Karaoke->Chatting loop then she'll sink back to where she was mid/late 2021.

>>17961182

Oh, so that's why then lol. Thanks. Now the 待機 in the title makes way more sense

>>17961198
Is that his usual numbers or are people actually that hyped for a f2p korean mmo?

>>17961124
will be.

>>17961262
He’s also got drop buff so everyone is gonna sit on his channel for rewards

>>17961262
Not sure about his numbers but the Twitch crowd has been hyping it up a lot.

>>17960464
Keep at it, vsjanon. I don't use twitch nor care about vshojo so your footnotes are informative.

>>17961182
Hope Aqua do new season Master Arc.

>>17960808
Aight an mlb enthusiast en stars, will he flop or soar? Game permission implied. In fact what if they managed to scout a sports commentator/pundit tier malehuuba, any sports. Would it change the vtubing game? I really do think so. Think of the untapped market

>>17960648
They're paying loads of money to loads of streamers with many different sponsorships. Also has twitch drops.

>>17961240
Yea. Since apex is now back in season in JP, a lot of people are gonna be HYPED.
>>17961335
If she plays apex occasionally like she used to, that would be nice, and then do a masters push if she has time once she makes it to d4. She's going to be busy with the Seaside fes rescheduled concert and then prep for HoloFes in march though.

>>17961335
I hope so too, both because it would be great numbers and also really fun to watch

>>17961362
One of the biggest issues they would face is that stars are marketed as male idols.

>>17960464
Make a tally goddammit. Just manually keep track or whatever we're losing valuable data and documentation even if people here allergic to twitch

>>17961503
Nah, Sullygnome+Twitchtracker are long-standing tools that has all the important metrics for Twitch. Can always consult them if you need to grab Twitch metrics.

>>17961497
That's JP. HoloJP are marketed as idols but HoloEN are not idols in the least and never will be ones.

>>17961647
Sad cope

>>17961647
kiara being an idol is all i need

>>17961647
Hey, you're the "ENs aren't idols" guy. Big fan of your timeloops.

>>17961701
Also known for his previous byline "EN don't want 3d"

>>17961647
HoloEN are streamers who cant even stream.

>>17961335
She got it easily in s11. Hope she finds people to grind for pred with.

>>17961723
They got it for a corporate event but we don't know if they wanted it or to be in HoloFes.

>>17961802
Sad cope

>>17960256
>>17960308
based, Ayame must be the daughter of some senator

>>17961760
Yeah, they're billed as entertainers. They don't even have idol reps as an excuse for not streaming.

>>17961198
Oh Trisha Hershberger was hosting in the stream Asmond was watching.
That's a blast from the past.

Sourcefed was as much the unity box as vtubers are today. A pretty clear way Hololive could fail, if they replace all their original gens and the new ones change focus

>193k
This is gonna be a 240k vod ain't it...

why are people asking for EN gen3? it's still the same box is it not?

Euro hours...

>>17961931
Because the current 2 gens are not streaming enough.

Emperor 21k at almost 3AM
i kneel

lol if an japanese idol did what Mori just recently did she would be lynched by now.

>>17962066
esl

>>17962058
Is this what Nijifags are reduced to. Did Aqua mog your "king" so badly today that your mind is broken?

>>17962066
It will never, ever, cease to make me laugh how much importance people place on Twitter "likes" (or Facebook likes).

Euroschizos are the worst schizos

>>17960466
Can this game buff holo up to 100k viewers

>>17962066
We virtually did

>>17962154
Nah, it's more a Twitch meta game, and it'll fall off pretty fast after the initial week of hype like most MMO streams do.

>>17962150
only italians

>>17962154
If they had drops enabled and were on Twitch, yeah I could see it.

>>17962104

>nijifags
>hal

are you a bot?

>>17961647
It's hilarious that this is always mentioned in this way. Hey, how about you ask the JOPs just how much they support the talents idol careers? Because if you really want the truth, they probably give two fucks about it.
No, really, go look at all the original songs Holo has released and tell me how many of those have even hit a million, excluding Suisei. You're probably -only- going to find Aqua with a sizable portion, and she's the only one who's legitimately putting in all the work and effort to be an "idol". JOPs would rather they be cover artists than idols. They cum buckets when they hear their favorite streamer cover a fotm song, but the moment they want to achieve their dreams and release music to the world? Everyone turns away. All those Watame originals that could barely break 500k if it even did at all, and the only one in the millions is cloudy sheep, which has Mori in it. Smile & Go? I'm sure Flare is happy with a song she was excited to release that is at what... Is it even at 300k yet?
I really don't understand the idea behind it all. How can you even state that JP are idols when their fans don't even support it? The JOP fans want the talents to be cover artists and jerk off material, not the idols you have in mind.

Ina...

I want to go back in time and tell the anon who first posted in /vyt/ about Aqua getting announced and got no replies that one day she'll have 62k people watching her pulling gacha in the current big F2P FPS

>>17962154
better question, what game can buff holo up to 100k viewers?

Theoretically, if Niji and Konami decided to make a game together with Niji's IPs, how likely is it gonna be successful?

>>17962436
>Hololivers
I fucking hate it

>>17962465
Forget game. PekoGura 3D live where they do silly things together. That's what we want to see

>>17962483
I'd give it very good chances, also depends on what kind of game it is, though.

>>17962311
holy newfag

>>17962510
are we making the kuzuha in a deserted island scenario for holos

>>17962483
Success is relative. What's your metric for success?

>>17962493
Oh it could be much worse don't worry

>>17962510

>Peko

she is old news now. 10k median soon
better bring aqua instead

>>17962066
I mean, she is, thats what bots are for so hololive can pretend that they're still good

>>17962317
calm down nijisister

>>17962658
Oh.
Man, how things change in the span of a few years....

>>17962656
Not sure. I don't even know what game companies defines as success for their new games. Probably a few thousand active players after a few months?

>>17962570
Gacha, probably. That way they can rank livers in a gen on how popular they are.

>>17962842
rent free

>>17962867
all thanks to autistic chinese clippers

>>17962436
>>17962658
Puts things into perspective.
Makes you wonder how will the next few years look like.

>>17962425
Dead streamer

>>17962926
not really

>>17962945
We'll all be looking back wondering how we missed the rise of VERSEn

>>17962658
Niji’s next wave better be announced in this board as
>Hololive’s Nijisanji. No idea what the group is called so whatever

>>17963002
Yeah he forgot the Indonesians

>>17963126
Nah it's all because their competitors are all retarded.

>>17962658
>hitomikurisu

>>17962658
Oh yeah, that reminds me that Mel wasn't originally Gen 1

>>17962926
Why are you eating chinese propaganda?

>>17961931
JP management has taken over and is training the ENfags who fucked up Council, so we're expecting the next Gen to (hopefully) be the Gen 3 of EN.

>>17962317
The fuck are you even going on about.

>>17962066
>>17962138
did she do anything else after the roommate stream?

>>17963126
he forgot that most viral clips were in english

>>17962623
Emperor is not the same as King newfagchama
lurk moar

>>17963278
Omega is still around so you're wrong. Enjoy LORE pt.2 ENbronies.

It's been 100 days since Sony VEE, 50 vtubers, project auditions closed and there hasn't been any new info since then.

Anyone know how many subs Luxiem got culled at debut? I know Council lost 200k and HoloX about 180k but didn't pay attention to the specific number for Luxiem, just know they got hit extremely hard.

>>17963540
0, its all legitimate fujos bots

>>17963331
Roommate stream doesn't even matter. Matsuri, Rushia, Noel, Mel, and more do streams on their roommates account.

>>17963540
% wise it was a bunch, but as a raw number it wasn't more than 20k I think. Somewhere in the 5-10k range.

>>17963540
like ~20k total for each I think.

>>17963505
pmaru-sama threw shade on them and a few backed out.

Verse girls must be seething about that project.

>>17963540
50k~
It was small potatoes compared to Council and HoloX.

>>17963278
Fuck the management,no one wants to stream because Cover cant get game perms.

>>17962317
Watame's problem was dumping too much all at once and expecting general holofans to find and listen to all of it.
> Kinda like Nijisanji kek

Smile&Go's problem was that it sounded waaay too similar to Say! Fanfare (so it was looked upon as a lesser version).
And Flare hadn't completely shed her ikemen image when she had released it, so people hoping for "homura" voice were disappointed.

Other than those, and the lower tier singing Holos (Choco, Mel) the rest of them have all had their original songs cross 1M (even Noel).

So to say JPs don't support their Oshi's originals is a bit disingenous, but you were a faggot anyway so I guess that was expected.

Oh great, we have enfag schizo and gameperms schizo in the thread right now. Don't you two have anything better to do?

>>17963383
cute tourist

>>17963412
Omega has been MIA for a couple weeks already

>>17963866
it's past primetime anon
time to close the thread and wait for the schizos to go away

>>17962658
>kurisu...

>>17963771
Even right after the holocaust when they couldn't stream any games at all the JPs made do and still streamed. If these whiny entitled bitches can't find anything they want to play in the entire libraries of Nintendo, Sega, Capcom, Square Enix, EA, Activision and Rockstar plus no doubt others I forgot then what the fuck are they doing here, just quit to become an indie who streams Masterchef reactions already.

>>17963831
Call me newfag, but I got into coffee elf thru her basement biome replica stream. She was always more cute than cool and when smile&go dropped, I thought nothing of it. Saw clips of Homura-kun later and I still think Flare a cute. First impressions matters.

>>17963831
>Other than those, and the lower tier singing Holos (Choco, Mel) the rest of them have all had their original songs cross 1M (even Noel).
Not yet. Just need a little push.

>>17964191
I get that, but her voice...It doesn't SUIT cute. Her range, tone, etc lends itself far far FAR more to well...this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5r8B1fDB8g

>>17963831
Noel’s song is perfect for her.

>>17963831
It’s not disingenous at all. There are more than a healthy sum of talents who are considered “idols” that have not garnished any traction musically. The only one in recent memory that I’d consider somewhat a success is Shion’s original. Ayame’s had 1.8 million but we really going to sit here and act like 1.8 million is an achievement when this girl gets tens of millions with covers? Meanwhile, in the VERY SAME breath, people here actively claim that Mumei’s original is a “disappointment” for needing 10 days to hit a million. If that’s a disappointment then what the fuck is the measure for JPs? Like what’s to be said about a Lamy original that sits at 300k, or the Kanata original that’s “fully animated” and has 600k?
It’s not the talents fault. They all try. The fans can be easily blamed for it and would 100% rather they blow their load on the streamer identity than the idol. Just me though.

>>17963831
I guess Polka is a low tier holo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdYAZZ5SOFk

Where’s the anon that track Ark server activity again? I want to know if Pekora is playing Ark again

>>17964371
Anus tart is a failure tho

>>17963956
He was also "gone" up until his debut stole Council's spotlight. Silence means nothing. I demand Cover's official statement of termination.

>>17964437

Yes? She is for quite some time now. But for OGs she also has Hologram Circus at almost 3M and Po at 1M

>>17963319
He's made that HoloEN aren't idols and never will be so here's taking out his schizophrenia on us. It's very sad to see.

>>17960704
285k now

>>17964214
> didn't know she even had one
time to contriboot

>>17964322
Well, I'm not an Elfrend. I just like her MC and Shiraken kino. Sometimes a karaoke here and there. I'll defer to an actual Elfriend's opinion on this.
>1.6M+ views at >6months

>>17964437
Counterpoints -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJ9-1LWFtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ_eazT56FA

Helps when Holos match their "theme" in the songs so to speak (Mogu Mogu being the best example).

>>17964214
Wait Rushia have a song???
Jesus are gen 3 song just forgettable or what? I don’t think I ever seen people discussing Noel or Flare song either, Marine only have Ahou

>>17964439
https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/ark/13977378
Check it yourself anon, only koyori is online

>>17964881
she has 2 now actually, she released one on her birthday

>>17964834
I can't claim to be an Elfrend, just an ear for these sorts of things, being a trained (former) musician. It's a horrible thing, to have your wants and natural talents be mismatched like Flare's case. She wants to be cute and sing the cute songs and whatnot, but her voice and such don't really serve those songs quite as well as others...

>>17964881
>Marine only have Ahou

>>17964881
>Marine only has ahou
You cannot be more newfag than this

>>17964881
i saw quite a few people talk about Flares song after it came out. most of it was "man its not doing so hot" and "why is no one listening to it?"

>>17964862
>1.6 MILLION views for PO
WTF oh come the fuck on, when the hell did it climb that high?! Last I checked it was just barely crawling over 1 million....

>>17964956
>>17964961
Sorry I should be more clear. I mean that I only see ahoy being talked about regularly

>>17964371
HoloJP is slowly creeping into the "Nijisanji" problem of having too many talents, which is why some great songs might not catch the algorithm as much.
Holo Original songs are also special when it's the first one a member does, which is why Kanata's "Wonder Ladder" has 1.9M.
Also it hasn't even been a month since Tenshi no Agape was released you disingenuous faggot [2]

I think it’s pretty interesting seeing how engaged the EN fanbase is with songs and covers compared to the JP fanbase. Even Kiara can get decent numbers on her songs and covers. Bae seems to be an outlier to this though.

>>17964371
Why are you talking about random originals on youtube and relating that to idoldom while ignoring all the actual idol things that fans support like albums and concerts. You whine about Watame originals not getting views yet she's done a sololive, put out an album and is coming out with a second. Fans pay her for those things.

>>17964981
I think I should go check it out

>>17964635
I’d be cautious about listing meme songs like Po, because in a similar situation we can see Miko’s 2 recent releases with equally similar effects. Granted this one is a cover, but it’s such a Miko song that it feels like an original in essence:
https://youtu.be/K57XcDsUl6A
But then you check her recent original which to me is a pretty catchy song:
https://youtu.be/8ZVrn4lHLqw
And you see the same pattern. Meme songs naturally generate that traction. But if you look at Polka’s last 2 originals excluding po, they sit at 440k and 280k was it? Again, nothing with the talents in my eyes. I -want- them all to succeed musically but it’s challenging when no one pays mind to them. I’m almost positive Watame complained about it on stream once, how people care more for her covers than her originals. This was months back though

>>17964987
it's catchy a f and very loopable

>>17965007
Did you miss how unison gets brought up across the entire board when it got released and still gets talked about on occasion?

>>17965085
Well I do have a feeling I might be wrong about that, sorry about that

>>17965031
>Bae seems to be an outlier to this though.
Even Bae's song got over 300k in a week, that's more than Flare's song has gotten ever.

>>17965007
Lurk more newfag, Unison always get mentioned here when a holo released their music for charts purpose

If you were to reshuffle all holo talents in a 5 woman generation, what do you think would be THE STRONGEST? Assume they all speak the same language for some reason since there's not much reshuffling you can do just with EN/ID for them to have their own category.

>>17965148
Either way, beside Marine, it seem gen 3 music is just not very popular?

>>17965218
Noel's song did okay, so did Pekora's.
Flare's issue is that she keeps trying to force the cutesy act when everything about her, from voice to design just screams cool
I'm honestly not quite sure what's the issue with Rushia's original song, it just didn't catch on

>>17965031
Kronii’s unreleased song that is leaked out on youtube right now, which has been sitting on the web with no notion of it existing officially, is already like 160-200k views if memory serves me right. Shit is basically a smile&go without ever even being seen apart from leaks and people coming across it. That’s the state things are in between EN vs JP regarding music

>>17965218
I think a problem some of the JPs have is that the songs aren’t really loopable. As much I don’t really like Mori’s songs, they tend to be loopable.

>>17965179
>5 member gen
Fuck you.

Bakatare+Circus
Pet Bottle
SMOK
NePoLaBo+Tako

>>17965218

Noel OG did quite well especially if you consider how her usual singing goes.. It even pops up in some karaokes from time to time

>>17965404
Pebottle is 4…

>>17965427
So is Bakatare Circus and SMOK.

>>17965031
IRyS....

>>17965031
There's only 5 of them, so it's far easier.

>>17965517
I blame that on just how bad management fucked up with IRyS.

>>17965179
Shiraken minus Noel, 4 members is enough i guess

>>17965517
IRyS music are entirely decided by management. Being a Vsinger unironically killed her creativity since every of her project will mostly be handled by a team instead of herself

>>17965179
It’s hard to say because western entertainment is a bit different than eastern, meaning that the personalities might clash if we’d try to figure out how well they’d actually mesh together. But if I’d give it a shot it’d be something like..
Suisei
Gura
Miko
Pekora
Marine

You have god tier artists in Suisei and Gura who’d be able to do duets as well, streaming powerhouses in Miko and Pekora, alongside the jack of all trades in Marine. What’s more is that these talents all have a wide range in what they can do on stream and with Miko and Marine, you’d likely expect a lot of hilarious collabs come from them all. There’s great reactions that can come out of them, all clippable and all have a way to be hyper and active as well as chill and relaxing. Plus all 5 have some of the best zatsu’s in the business.

>>17965218
I remember Pekorandombrain didn't meet my number expectation despite it's being catchy and short, the lyricist is an anisong veteran, and the high tier animation. I take it as a result of the fuckery of her cursed birthday

>>17965603
>. Being a Vsinger unironically killed her creativity
Source on Irys having creativity? You can't even rely on PL shit to prove it

>>17965652
I like it. The song literally structured like an actual anime opening, short, simple, the lyrics get the message across immediately, catchy music
Pekora actually can even use the MV as stream opening and it would work fine imo

>>17965652
It's amazing that something like Sparks has more views than Pekorandombrain.

>>17965676
NTA but I hate how the official playlist only lists one song of an album on Spotify.

>>17958544
You’re a sick person if you celebrated Pekora recline

>>17965758
It’s a party song just like Finana’s song by the same artist.

>>17965577
I don't blame Noel but its funny how that group instantly disbanned after she became a regular member.

>>17965758
No shit. Spark is literally a parody of typical K-pop song, from the lyrics to the music. Stuffs like that appeal to a lot more people than an anime opening

>>17965850
It seem 5 is the limit of a group then. When you look at all the popular group of Hololive, it usually 3 or 4 people max

>>17965927
Also notice how the downfall of all MC Kensetsu started when they expand and recruit more people?

>>17965055
again, it's not about meme songs, it's about the song matching the character theme. And catching the Youtube algorithm (usually with something catchy or being unique in some way).

Songs that do this well -
> Mogu Mogu
> Ahoy
> ぽ
> Say! Fanfare
> Korone's original (even though it's not talked about much, still has views)

Songs that do this well but didn't catch the algorithm -
> Howling
> Lioness' Pride
> Ashita e no kyokai-sen (Lamy's orisong)
> Nenene

There's also several instances where a Cover song just matches the Holo with such perfection that it kinda becomes their default "leitmotif" so to speak, and gets a bunch of views because of that match.
This also might cause their orisongs to get less views because people think these "covers" are original, and so it loses the "first time" buff.
Examples -
> Rushia with Hana no Bourei
> Ayame with Goodbye Sengen
> Towa Error
> Mio Sparkle
> Laplas Kamippoi
> Pekora Discommunication Alien

>>17965758
eh, it's just KFP autistically looping it 24x7 following their Chicken's command.
No other holo really does song shilling as much as she does.

>>17966100
>Pekora Discommunication Alien
After watching Pekora for a while I have to say the song fit her so fucking wel. She literally never changed and is still the socially awkward girl like in the song

>>17965758
Sparks is a good song. It's just that Kiara fails to bring out how good it is. The fact that the vocaloid version is better shows that if a better singer sang that, it would have been seen as another Getcha. Nonetheless, Pekorandombrain was just not shilled enough even though it's a great song.

>>17966183
this is why you should shill your fucking shit. Embarrassment should not play a role in getting as many eyes on the shut you've worked on as possible

>>17966100
>Songs that do this well
I would say RedHeart fits this as well. Almost 7M views (since Jan 2021) and spawned a myriad of fan made versions, remixes and MVs

>>17966343
Lol we have literal Suisei onJP side who probably shill her shit even harder and no one care

>>17966400
Why the fuck do you think her songs do taht well?

>>17966354
> haachama with so little new stuff that I literally forgot she existed
fuck
but yeah, Red Heart is also a very good one.
AND I just fucking remembered.
Towa - Venom
I still can't believe she hasn't released a full cover of it, her small 1 minute cover is the BEST fucking version I've been able to find all over the internet.
And I'm sure it's not because of perms, Koyori sang another Kairiki Bear song after all.

>>17965968
Nope it's just Ark season.
Shiraken could have collabed in Ark but Suisei openly said she has no interest in playing that kusoge

>>17966400
Sorry I mean that no care about her blatant shilling and she get the view anyway
Make you wonder why don’t other Holos go out of their way to shill their project like Suisei or Kiara

>>17965031
>Even Kiara can get decent numbers on her songs and covers.
Why do you say this like it should be a surprise or something? Kiara is very solidly the third most successful singer in EN, and number 4 (Ina) isn't even close.
There's obviously a big power gap between her and Mori/Gura, but then there's also a big power gap between Kiara and everyone else.

>>17966457
Good
We don’t want Ark to claim more victims. Fuck Ark, the less people play it the better

>>17966457
>Shiraken could have collabed in Ark but Suisei openly said she has no interest in playing that kusoge
eh, I still expect them or this PVP thing Pekora wants to do to drag her into it

>>17966492
>Kiara is very solidly the third
>number 4 (Ina)
>power gap between her and Mori/Gura
Irys… ;-(

>>17966457
Feel like UsaKen would be better example to my argument. It used to be just Peko and Moona but then a lot of people start being attracted to it until Peko can’t hangout often with them anymore due to schedules
Hope the same won’t happen with ShiraKen since now a lot of people are wanting to join it as well since ya know, it’s popular

>>17966461
Reine actually shilled her cover with Nene is the same manner that Kiara does (stream sparks) and it ended up getting to 1m. Not sure if she did it for her original songs.

>>17966545
It most probably won’t happen. The odd of management enabling pvp with just Pekora and Aki asked is very very low

>>17966492
It’s actually pretty true. Kiara having 2 originals over 3M views probably puts her above everyone that isn’t Mori, Suisei and Gura. Her worst performing original has 1.7 million also, so really, she’s actually done a phenomenal job musically

>>17966100
Nenene is not bad since it was released very early and barely shilled. The new MV is pretty late so its not going to get any boost.
The song got to 1M before any of her other videos and it was stuck on a topic channel.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0LwOuJnnVTs

>>17966492
Mumei is doing really well as a singer, actually. her original song hit one million in a little over 12 days. In comparison Kiara's fastest original is Hinotori and that took almost 24 days.

>>17966445
I genuinely don't know why she doesn't do more covers, red heart did amazing, infinity didn't do too well but it's almost at a million after a bit more than 6 months I think... Most of her covers were made in a meme manner done by herself rather than actually advertising something and doing it properly, did you know that she made an uptown funk cover? And I think she did a we will rock you cover? But most of them didn't last a week and got privated with no way of seeing the light again
There are SO many covers I want to hear from her but for some reason she just doesn't do them, her voice isn't too niche so she can easily fit in duet songs too...

>>17966730
>her original song hit one million in a little over 12 days.
Which is 2 days slower than Violet, a song 600k+ behind Sparks.
A New Start has also already slowed down so much that it gains less views than Iya Iya Iya per day.
In fact, that happened about a week ago (I was keeping track)

>>17960466
Lost ark? You mean diablo 4?

>>17960082
>crying faces
Ayame thinks Koreans are little kids?

>>17963362
translated by chinese clippers anon, the biggest were a chinese team, and still are

>>17966820
That reminds me, Kiaras goodbye declaration is 7k from 5m and iya is 31k from 2m

now I understand why Mori want's to leech from Luxiem, she's losing to Elira rumao

>>17966457
>Suisei openly said she has no interest in playing that kusoge
Holy based, when did she say that?

>>17966609
My personal ranking (Same Anon), based purely on my subjective feelings mixed in with some conjecture, goes as follows:
Mori > Gura >>> Kiara >> Ina > Mumei >>> Irys(She had some early releases that did much better than her more recent ones, she also does ok on spotify) > Bae = Ame
I COULD be convinced that Gura is at the same level as Mori, but even though Gura holds the top 2 fastest to a million spots, I simply can't put her above Mori because Mori simply has too many accomplishments for me to justify it in my head, even if it were objectively true.

>>17966642
Reine always shills her stuff but with an audience of only like 1.5k average that isn't really enough to boost her too much. The song itself needs to be popular and catch the algorithm like King or feature another popular talent like Nene.

>>17967073
A Mori without the Hololive algorithm would probably be bleak for her.

>>17966609
My personal ranking (Same Anon), based purely on my subjective feelings mixed in with some conjecture, goes as follows:

Mori > Gura >>> Kiara >> Ina > Mumei >>> Irys(She had some early releases that did much better than her more recent ones, she also does ok on spotify) > Bae = Ame

I COULD be convinced that Gura is at the same level as Mori, but even though Gura holds the top 2 fastest to a million spots, I simply can't put her above Mori because Mori simply has too many accomplishments for me to justify it in my head, even if it were objectively true.

>>17966958
>and still are
?

So now that susan finished processing the latest Akutan stream, how much did she make?

>>17967134
https://youtu.be/nKb9P7RxvAI
She roast the shit out of this game

>>17967158
On youtube? Yeah. She's basically tailor made to be a twitch vtuber. She could reincarnate into Vshoujo and immediately be the #4 (or 5 depending on Snuffy) vtuber on the platform. Once she got to ingratiate herself with people like Conner and Moistcritikal she'd incline even more. her only ceiling for that is she's not really a coombait streamer so she wouldn't really grab that audience.

>vwhorejo gf debuff

Yeah, there is something seriously wrong with Haachama VOD and it’s not just “natural recline”.
She doesn’t get this little VOD views since Jan 2020, after which she rarely failed to break 100k on her hour or so long VODs.

On top of the fact she reclined (and I say that as a die hard Haaton since her OP was her room and herself spinning Haaton) I have three theories
1) that theory that mixing “short videos” and VODs in the same channel reduces the recommendation range for the VODs
2) that theory that by removing her own monetization she flagged her channel as low priority for the algo to recommend, resulting in less recommendations
3) that her eroi hijinks finally caught up to her and she got somehow shadowbanned

2) and 3) are backed by the coincidence of her VOD recline coming exactly after the Marine collab and subsequent self demonetization.

Even with the inconsistency she has a recent slither.io stream of less than an hour at 150k or so views so whatever is happening now is new

>>17967340
Based off my calculations, my conclusion is natural recline.

>>17964862
nice observation
How many people have songs based around their theme?

>>17967340
Is there any external way to prove she actually disabled monetization? Other than just turning off SCs.

>>17967340
My money is on 2, https://youtu.be/cuhvq-f51F0?t=222 this guy mentions a similar effect happening when he talked about how youtube works.

>>17967340
I wouldn't bother if I were you anon, trying to make sense of haachama is like trying to make sense of a black hole without the ability to study it.
The only thing that I know of is that it all suddenly started going down when she turned off her superchats, I don't know what else she messed with or did but I know that was the turning point.
Between the end of ccvid and her own self imposed demonetization, she only did one stream which was the collab with marine and that still had awfully low ccv compared to what you'd normally expect.
She isn't my oshi and trying to make sense of her hurts my head because she's an expert in self sabotage

>>17967339
more like disabled drops debuff

>>17966818
I think chammers is the type to fall in and out of love very quickly. She's currently in her rap phase, so who knows, hopefully we'll get a full fledged rap orisong or cover.

>>17967574
>she's an expert in self sabotage
I'm still not over her 3D birthday stream... The fact that she had that bearded man as her thumbnail for the entirety of the waiting room is just... Wow

>>17967340
I think people finally just got tired of Haachama's shit. There's so many JP Hololive members now that anybody but diehard Haatons will watch someone who is more reliable as a streamer.

anycolor 3d studios closed due to covid
https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1490989124370583554
RIP 3d debuts

>>17967330
ehhh sounds like she just doesn't have the time for it, which is understandable since she did mention she'd be focusing on music this year.

What went wrong, pomuniggers?
Where's the new audience attracted with MGS streams?

remember when peko used to win numbers?
i remember...

>>17967845
OH NO NO NO NO POMUKEKS?

>>17967845
Based off my calculations, my conclusion is natural recline.

>>17967821
I wonder how temporary this is. They're pretty backed up on 3D debuts and the 3D stuff is where they make a lot of numbers.

>>17966100
Bloom songs are fairy popular. Hopefully there will be Bloom round 2 in the future.

Didn't notice that Ai's King cover passed 8 million
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On5gvNPjXGQ

Among Vtubers i believe that's in 3rd.

>>17968094
nope, it's fourth

>>17968035
Why can't they just do whatever the fuck Cover did for 3d lives and debuts back when this meme virus was in its prime? Even a 6 month delay on 3d debuts will push back many to 2024 and who knows what the landscape of the industry will be then? It can't just be Anykara being retardedly cautious since they've been pretty gung ho to 3d concerts and all the other shit until recently?

>>17968073
Get the same people who did Bloom. UMISEA and Gen 3 songs were a flop.

>>17968222
because they didn't do it back when and now they are FUCKED

>>17967855
She'll be back when the natural Hololive cycle returns to its minecraft phase.

>>17959432
what was aqua's #?

>>17968222
At this rate LazuLight won't get 3D for 2 more years, 3 for Luxiem. It's been 46 days since the last Nijisanji 3D debut.

>>17968073
> Suspect
> Adtruck
> Hanafubuki
It was a kino series of songs for sure

>>17968222
Because Anykara didn't give a fuck about precautions other than getting the jab iirc.
I imagine the covid cases forced them to act.

Luna's debut thread is pretty amusing
>>/jp/thread/S22717833

>>17968222
y'know, I have to ask the few nijifans that may be lurking.
Which mid-tier talents who got their 3D have used it in some company event or Live (Solo or otherwise)?
Every time I see a Niji 3D event it's always mostly the top tier Nijis like Sasaki, HSKW, Chaika, Gunkan etc who got their 3Ds a year ago or so.

>>17968549

>>17968331
967,380

>>17967845
It was pretty funny that there was that one schizo insisting MGR was a sign of an incline and people telling him it was a mega buff game were "coping". It's like NijiEN lads are genuinely new, anyone knows buff games are a thing and some can even catapult a vtuber to way over her regular.

Still Still Stellar sold 334 physical ablums
Spotlight vol. 2 sold 228 physical albums

>>17968094
>doesn't sound like og ai
I see why the rat about changing va never died.

>>17968549
>>17968605
Haven't been keeping up with Niji numbers but how does the Panda's CCV compare to Luna's nowadays?

>>17968257
>Gen 3 songs were a flop
You're going to have to be more specific. The only Sankisei song that flopped for real is Smile and Go and that's because Flare refuses to use her cool voice.

>>17968831
Sorry, I meant the gen 3 concert song.

>>17968854
It has 1.8 million views and took 13 days to hit one million, do you have any idea how fast that is?

>>17968854
>almost 2 mil
Right...

>>17968549
i love old threads
its like time traveling into the past

>>17968827
Not sure currently but Panda was getting shit on pretty bad during the monster hunter arc in hololive where Luna giga inclined. Lunaitos were having a party on /jp/

>>17968958
Both of them?

>>17968549
> so many folks ranking Sheep's debut above Coco
was it really that good?

>>17967340
As a #'sfag, Haachama is providing good content for how monetization (ON/OFF) affects a channel. She's lost a substanial amount of views post demonetization and it's not a coincidence or a natural recline as some would suggest.

>>17968605
>same dumbass posting style predominates 2 years later

Don't know what I expected.

Why isn't anyone numberfagging with streaming hours?

>>17969165
Haachama is such a weird standard candle to use. I'd wait for a normal, reliable streamer to get randomly demonetized by some fluke DMCA thing, and see how that works out.

>>17969202
They do it's not something you can talk about endlessly every day like the CCV horse race. People will occasionally post an updated chart for hours.

>>17969202
You again?

https://i.warosu.org/data/jp/img/0227/17/1578140469495.png

> those numbers
Nijigirls have fallen off a cliff...

>>17968549
I'm always amused at the reactions to Luna's debut.

>>17969290
This is like my first post in /#/ in months. I legitimately got curious and went to ask because those among you numbrains who breach containment seem to talk exclusively about subs and CCV when streaming hours seem way more important.

>>17968549
good of luna to switch off the sinking ship...

>>17968651
I'm delightedly surprised it was that high since she didn't do any SC reading and just tuned off. Also I don't remember there being a lot of akasupas also.

>>17969478
the fuck are you talking about, did you not see the fifty billion "Why aren't HoloEN streaming" bait threads clogging up the catalogue

>>17969334
Hololive took their audience, you can imagine why Nijifags hate Hololive so much.

>>17969527
Nah, Nijifags were bitter fags even back then when they were at the top.

>>17967073
>trusting ccvid numbers
anon I..

>>17968651
Was that... just for the Apex gacha stream?

>>17968549
> nijifags discussing Lulu steam
> Holofags discussing Ko'one
> both peaceful and in a single thread
it was a peaceful time..

>>17969650
They're even more bitter now. No other fanbase would literally monitor the competitions content just so they can report it and have it removed. I can only imagine the levels of seethe and cope if someone like Lulu or Gibara actually joined Gen 7 and became more succesful than their Niji counterpart.

>>17969478
Well the general consensus is that Twitch values streaming hours more for their algo and Youtube values CCVs for theirs. Considering most of the number-flinging in this thread are consisted by Niji and Holo streams which is happening in Youtube you probably won't hear anything much about it until some numbers involving VShojo are brought up.

>>17969650
kek notice that the guy who posted the numbers was watching Korone

>>17969762
>nijifags discussing Lulu steam
>nijifags
草

>>17968222
>whatever the fuck Cover did for 3d lives and debuts back when this meme virus was in its prime
When it was actually in its prime all Holo 3Ds were cancelled, there weren't any between Miko's birthday on March 5th 2020 to Flare's long-delayed 3D debut over 3 months later

>>17969334
When is this from exactly? It must be early 2020 because Flare and Suisei have their New Year outfits but Animare is still a part of Upd8

>>17969762
Lulu got banished from the Niji thread for being popular with EOPs later down the road.

>>17970005
Revolutions always eat their own.

>>17969774
>Youtube values CCVs for theirs.
Who in the fucking hell ever added to a consensus for this? This is one of the dumbest things I've read. Youtube algorithm is definitely all about views, likes and whatever magical mystery meat Susan adds to flag videos.

>>17969680
This one is prob correct, she streamed it in a shit time for EN audience and they watched it later.

>>17969680
what's more retarded? extrapolating CCV from views or likes?

kek
lmao even

>>17970005
kek
in hindsight, I guess it was bound to happen eventually, no one likes their own oshi's discussion getting drowned out by others. With enough people raiding /jp/ after the EOP boom, it was only a matter of time till /vt/ was formed.
It's funny how the exact same problem continues happening though - most recently with Luxiem's fans kicking out the NijiEN girls' fanbase out by volume of discussion.
And bj

>>17969695
Yeah. Nowhere near what Matsuri gets but a decent haul.

>>17970386
She immediately ended the stream though. She probably doesn't care about money.

I was on my yt frontpage and saw that Mumei's orisong was only at 1.2M, what's up with that ? It already have half the growth of several months old songs

>>17969680
so they watched it at 11am instead of 7am

>>17970493
Based off my calculations, my conclusion is natural recline.

>>17970544
I though the song was pretty loopable, though, I'm hella surprised

>>17970263
so the same amount of viewers watched it at 1pm instead of 8am live. That assuming you're retarded enough to think the live views arent still processing

>>17970379
holy shit >>17913113
apparently Luxiem are invading even the girls' Members only streams.
Does NijiJP do this too?

>>17970493
Speaking of council, did Kronii never release her song ? The only version of daydreamin existing is the topic one, and she only have the trailer on her channel. WTF is she doing ?