/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>17948029
She is black so she doesn't count as a real holo

>>17948053
Kek

>>17948029
It’s amazing how sana got a golden ticket and basically did nothing with it

>>17948053
Cope holofag. This is a big deal.

>>17948053
>>17948071
>haha le cringism, i'm so 4chan oldfag amirite guise xD

>>17948029
they will be coping as "h-haha it's just Sana, she doesn't count anyway", and it will be funny to see their cope evolve as the people who apparently "d-don't count!" increases with NijiEN's subcounts

>>17948210
The Yozora Mel killer oh noooo

The era of HoloEN is over and now it's the age of the Niji male. Kneel

Doesn't VShojo members have more subs than NijiEN's?

>>17948361
Holofag deflecting to someone that isn't in the conversation.

>>17948029
literally nobody but /#/ cares about this.

>>17948361
And some holoENs too

>>17948361
I doubt it, Twitch subs = Youtube memberships.
Ironmouse, Veibae and Nyanners do, however, get more live viewers than anyone in Holo or NijiEN basically all the time.

>one nijinig male about to pass literal bottom of the barrel garbage compared to the rest of hololive
>nijiniggers claim it as some major victory
You can't make this shit up. This is how desperate nijiniggers are for any victory they can get since they're so few and far between.

>>17948402
yea, and they are also the ones posting this baiting (you)
Holobronies are literally the only sort of people who use words like "yab"

>>17948451
if you look at the vocab its obviously a holo falseflagger, retard
Hololive fans are the only ones using word like "niji" and "yab"

>>17948458
Pretty much. They hate Sana with a burning passion. I don't watch Holo EN so I'm neutral to her. This is a thread to shit on Sana more so than anything else.

>>17948029
Picrel is pathetic, I can't believe we are gonna lose to a man
We saved aki when she was dead last on subs, why don't the Japanese do the same for Sana? The OWE us

>Niji fags are actual homos
Not surprised

>>17948439
No I'm talking about YouTube subs which is the topic of this thread

>>17948451
>he's a numberfag
Holobronies have a few good JP streamers and think they're the shit lmao.
Better luck with your EN gens, and future JP ones.

>>17948361
>>17948402
>>17948451
>>17948513
Holy cope lmao

>>17948451
>tribalfagging with Suisei
an actual retard, kys

>>17948029
>de first NijiEN do gatch ubb to a HoloEN is a MALE. How will Hololive reagtt to diss? XD
OOOHH FUUUGG :DDDD

>>17948126
Like niggers and abbos in general? How surprising!
>>17948029
How about you take her from us, then you can have two(lmao) sucesses!

>>17948614
Ogey #'s.

>>17948029
>The first NijiEN to catch up to a HoloEN is a MALE.
Wait, so to put it another way, the female NinjiEN are all being beaten by a male vtuber, who outclasses them to the point of being almost Holo level? Holy hell what the fuck are you guys doing over there?

/#/ is the gayest thread on the board that makes 90% of the bait threads in the catalog. OP is a retard and there's nothing wrong with Sana, fuck off and go back to your containment thread.

>>17948029
holoen doesn't even stream.

>>17948361
>Nijifags uses VShojo to attack holofags when Holo has good number
>Holofags uses VShojo to attack nijifags when Niji has good number
The absolute state of this board

>>17948687
I wish numberfaggging is banned, its literally cancer and breeds the other sort of shitposting. This thread isnt even made by a nijinigger LMAO

>>17948361
Lol deflection desperation

>>17948739
I don't get why people can't just watch who they like regardless of branch, corpo or lack of corpo.
I also don't understand numberfags, it's like saying Fortnite or Apex is the best game in the world, or that music on the radio is the best type of music, etc. Why would you bank your identity entirely on the shit you consume? How does one even derive pride from that over actual accomplishments?

>muh numbers
You have to go back to your thread, numberfag

>>17948678
The guys are far more interesting and entertaining than the girls. Literally nothing of value would be lost if enna, millie, petra, and reimu graduated tomorrow because they all boring as fuck

>>17948029
The first NijiEN to catch up to a HoloEN is a MALE. How will Nijiifags react to this?
>>17948687
>there's nothing wrong with Sana
lol

>>17948687
There’s a lot wrong with Sana. /nasa/ have been complaining about her quite a lot recently. They can see she’s treating them like shit and are slowly giving up.

>>17948841
They’re *

>>17948872
kill yourself

>>17948029
>Sana
Do nijikeks really?

>>17948739
A classic numberfag tactic

>>17948813
ask holobronies, this is their board, they let this tumor grow by quarantining it instead of banning, now it plague the entire board, they really could learn a thing or two from their futaba counterpart

>>17948813
It's funny, they always claim if something is very entertaining it'll naturally attract the largest views. Yet when you bring up that various people gave up their vtuber past life for hololive then why would it make sense to do so since due to how entertaining they are they'd naturally have a large fanbase as an indie so why hop onto Hololive?

happy for you nijifriends

>>17948451

>>17948029
Why are they so racist to our abbo?

>>17948813
>I don't get why people can't just watch who they like regardless of branch, corpo or lack of corpo
People do that, but tribalfagging is part of our lizard brains and won't go away any time soon. That said, it doesn't help when nijii is a sausage fest and vshojo is a den of whores. There's probably some diamonds in the rough somewhere, it' just not worth the effort to find them myself. I'll just wait and check the most popular ones after a while to see if they have any appeal.

>>17948813
I like chuubas from all companies.
Fear me faggots.

>>17948687
/#/ should have been banned, but the mod is a fucking piece of shit holofaggot and he won't nuke that subhuman seanigger infested thread. I don't watch Sana, but I know she is doing her best, since she streams the most in Council.

>>17948451
stop falseflagging, nigger

>>17948210
The first one to actually count will be Fauna or Lui. The next one is Choco's literally dead second channel or >Anya, if anything failing to beat a channel a C tier holo hasn't used in a year or more is more embarrassing for Sana than losing to Niji.

>>17949179
>she streams the most in Council.

Tell me when they pass Gura, until then I don't care about your who's

>>17948029
By still not giving a fuck and still living rent free in their head

>>17948029
>NijiEN's most successful is only just NOW catching up to HoloENs biggest flop
This ain't the win you think it is...

>>17948739
Goes to show that numberfags don't care about the individual, but their numbers.

>>17949010
>quality of model increases with free upgrades/updates
>more resources in general
>better networking opportunities
>immediately part of a sweet, talented and supportive family
>managers provided
>wage(?)
>sponsors look your way
>active artist and clipper community

>>17949650
>immediately part of a sweet, talented and supportive family
lol

>>17949553
>only just NOW
>she had a 3 month head-start

>>17949553
Considering his roommate, it only gets worse from there. They should just take the L and move on to whoever is coming in the next "wave"

>>17949722
She took an entire month off, and frequently takes breaks for her actual job... You couldn't possibly have an easier holo to surpass.

>>17949553
Sana is not a flop. Unlike that British fuck she actually has a job and she’s not a numberfag in the slightest. Vox is surrounded by stinky female SEANEETs and is basically a failed Connor outside of his virtual kingdom.

>>17948687
This is true, I also wouldn't be surprised if most of the seething hatred against Ai comes from there

>>17948687
>>17948687
>>17948687
>>17948687

>>17949838
>Sana is not a flop.
Do sanafags really? She's an embarrassment. An actual fucking reject.
You're not wrong about your assessment of Vox tho just replace SEA with chinks.

who is sana?

>>17949995
Funny you say that considering what happened literally today

Explain to a non tribalist how this is a win? The highest NijiEN has almost reached the lowest HoloEN. What am I missing here

>>17949838
Yeah she has a job and isn't a numberfag, but she is a flop number-wise, her early content choices and the month long break she took didn't do her any favours, to say nothing of the frequent breaks she takes now. I guess you could say she's doing okay considering the circumstances, though.

>>17948029
Sana really is a once in a lifetime vtuber.
She's about to be the only HoloEN that gets eclipsed by a NijiEN.

>>17948029
She's only there to make orange woman not kill herself over numberfagging.

>>17950299
And a MALE, no less. I'd seriously consider graduating

>>17950182
The best and worst thing about her is she’s 100% herself and won’t change for anyone. She’s the least fake EN by far which is admirable, but that unfortunately doesn’t translate into numbers and success. She forgets that not being herself as a vtuber is a good thing, because Sana is a character she’s meant to be playing. It’s not an extension of her true self. That’s where she unknowingly holds herself back.

>>17950540
Fairly sure she knows and doesn't care, vtubing is a fun little side gig for her, she's not as pumped to succeed as the others. Which makes the NijiEN cope here even worse.

>>17950104
WTF
PINK DOG IS ACTUALLY REAL
>PINK DOG
PINK DOG
>PINK DOG

>>17950104
Nobody is talking about her roommate you faggot. Everybody knows she's a gacha artist. We're talking about Sana.
I didn't know pink doggo was made by her tho.

>>17948210
>Dude, we beat Yamcha! Just wait until we beat Krillin and Tien!
>""""cope""""
NijiMEN? More like SaibaMEN, amirite?

>>17950104
Has she ever made anything original? Pink dog is a Korone clone and Mizuki is a Rimuru clone. She's pathetic even as a character designer.

39 IP.........
Wtf is wrong with you dramafaggot

>>17950894
Just like Inanis

>>17948053
Yeah, yeah, keep moving the goalposts.
Seethe.

>>17948687
Yes, /#/ is an absolute cancer
Also yes, there is a LOT of wrong things with Sana

>>17948900
*Kill yourself.

>>17948304
How close are they to the next ones? Can you post the whole list?

>>17948029
Congrats on finally beating the tutorial boss

>>17948029
>final yab
Yeah yeah yeah just like the last 17

>>17951170
kek look at this absolute faggot

>>17951264
*Kek, look at this absolute faggot.

>>17948029
>We beat Sana!
Punching down really isn't cool, Niji, leave the poor girl alone.

>>17948439
Why are the most popular the most insufferable?

>>17948439
It's worth remembering that Youtube doesn't count people with adblockers as a live view, which most people use, so it's not an accurate metric by any means. I don't know if it works that way on Twitch.

>>17951019
/#/ love to shit up the board/hobby the rest of us actually participate in broadcasts/videos that vtubers produce for us.

>>17951792
kek.Good one

>>17951644
>which most people use
Not anymore, mobilefags are the overwhelming majority of all users, and only a tiny fraction of just Android users use stuff like newpipe or vanced to watch their streams.

>>17952055
Sure, that explains why live views go up to around 20k at most while VODs have 100k views immediately on upload

>>17952055
source: trust me bro

>>17948029
Never saw that Sana before.
Are you sure she isn't staff like Yagoo/Omega/Ankimo?
Maybe it's just Ina sub account.

>>17948029
Release ID3

>>17948813
>I don't get why people can't just watch who they like regardless of branch, corpo or lack of corpo.
Because vshoujo is a cancer on the vtuber medium.

>>17948813
People who tribalfag and numberfag(save for the few that do it for fun) are the lowest scum retards which is why their naturally attracted to places like 4chan

>>17952120
That's better explained by viewer turnover.

>>17948029
Why are nijifags so desperate for Holo validation? Is this some sort of love?

>>17952156
>Maybe it's just Ina sub account.
The funniest shit is that even Choco's second channel has more subs than Sana

>>17948029
>The niji I hate the most is being the most popular
Not like this

HoloEN was a mistake

>weakest holoEN beaten by strongest NijiEN
A holo victory

>>17948029
everyone said that Luxiem will be a flop and now this happens. I love watching this in real time

Honestly this is just the saddest board. I come here infrequently and the catalogue is just Niji vs Holo or some small bit of drama that's overblown. There could be discussion of smaller Vtubers, yet that'd get dismissed as shilling 2views

>>17952555
No, this is drama for the sake of drama.

>>17948029
The first rung in the ladder...

Funny how there aren't enough sanafags to even defend her and it's mostly people who don't watch her but picked her side

>>17952754
There is, the threads just die for lack of interest. Also calling this the saddest board when there's /r9k/, /cgl/ and /mlp/ in the running is too much

>>17952754
>There could be discussion of smaller Vtubers, yet that'd get dismissed as shilling 2views
Just go to /wvt/, the large indie, or small corpo threads. Them & dedicated threads to certain chuubas are the only worthwhile things on this board. Every other thread is absolute dogshit because of drama & number faggotry

fuck this bait thread that appears whenever I search for nijien in the catalog

>>17948126
At this point Kronii is even worse. She hasn't even streamed this month.

>>17958282
Luxiem and Susan mindbroke numberfags

>>17958326
She's done a few twitter spaces actually, but her computers are dead.

>>17948439
holobronies won't like this one

>>17956435
BASED
Women can't ever hope to compete.

>>17951644
>Youtube doesn't count people with adblockers as a live view
It's worse than that. Youtube seems to just unperson people arbitrarily and stop counting them.

>>17948029
Sana doesn't care about being popular anymore, she streams when she feels like it, which is why she has the weakest growth in EN. She's basically Anya tier while not trying.

>>17958858
At least Anya streams regularly

>>17952735
Penis wave is inclining!

>>17948029
The Sana Killer...

>Beating someone who hasn't streamed for months and a couple of weeks and only does Pokemon streams.
Voxfags are pretty weak even by numberfag standards.

>>17948029
by telling you to take your meds.

>>17958601
that girl is drowning in money and can''t take care of having proper equipment to do her job, that's just disrespectful to everyone else at this point

>>17962554
the bitch is a cheapskate, she uses a busted up third party controller for games.

>>17948126
waisting a slot as well

>>17948439
you can't compare twitch CCV with youtube

>>17948053
t-they'll be 2 views n-no one will watch them
oh nonononono.

>>17948053

3/5ths of one?

>>17948029
>won
Won would mean 1 person with 4, several people with 2 million, million and 20+ members who are millionaires. If you mean closed a part of the gap then yes, the highest subbed NijiEN has more subs than the lowest HoloEN.

>>17948813
More than that, you go to # and it's a mix between people making ten graphs showing that subs and CCVs are meaningless metrics and those exact same people crowing over them. They might as well be cheering at getting big numbers out of a random number generator.

>>17950182
>her early content choices
Didn't watch gen2 holoEN. What was there?

>>17948813
I got laughed at and insulted by my Hololive liking friends because I watch indies and small vtubers due to them saying that they are "lower quality" vtubers and so I take my revenge by gloating on them and shitting on Hololive as much as possible when their arguments fail.

>>17948451
Sana is not garbage she's just not for everyone and doesn't really try to be by playing "buff" games she doesn't like and shit like most streamers do I can respect that, she could stream a bit more regularily though because atm she actually very much feels like one of those mid tier nijisanji JP livers that do this part-time and have no plans of going pro.

Is this the current general thread?

>>17948439
The difference is Holo and Niji's target audience aren't normalfags, it's just a no brainer there's gonna be a lot more normies on the internet, just like everywhere else.
That's one of the main reasons there's not point in comparing them.

But didn't Youtube hide half a million subs on Sana's channel?

>>17962932
Considering the number of niji antis, I'm pretty sure this is /nijiEN/

>>17963023
Meant for >>17962891

>>17948126
First job is working as artist holo is more of side gig please understand.

>>17948053
NEVER FORGET
CAPTCHA: AD0XA

>>17948247
Hey fucker, mel is cute for a literal whore.

>>17963023
I was talking about vshojo, besides I think tribalfags are a bunch of schizos

>>17948739
Vshitshow is more of a proxy between the two real players in the game.

>>17948513
Well, Sana did rape Pomu.

>>17962976
Around 200k. Luxiem also got massively culled (hidden subs) but not that many. Sana's real number is like 500k, I never counted how many Luxiem lost, maybe 50-60k?

Image showing sub totals. What conclusion to draw from this is left up to the read.

>man who has streamed 71 times in just over a month inclining more than holoshit who has streamed only 71 times in four months.
How are you surprised?

>>17963404
>Sana's real number is like 500k
And yet none of them came back because they realize they don't like Sana

you guys really think any of council would get their numbers without being in holo? honest question

>>17963432
>vshojo higher than NijiEN despite NijiEN having more than twice the members
kek

>>17963669
>Numberfag can't do math
Ironic.

>>17963669
vshojo is a normalfag shithole and shit comes in big quantities

>>17963909
Also twitch is a buff.

>>17963650
Fauna had more viewers than all of Luxiem's PL's combined. Mumei has more subs on her other account that the highest subbed member in Nijisanji. You're high if you think anyone besides the first few waves of either Holo or Niji got their numbers from scratch. NijiEN aren't the ragtag group of indies against the world, they are backed by arguably the biggest vtuber agency in the world.
>get their numbers
Hal, Shigure Ui, top 3 of vshojo, Gachaman, that fake Kaiji dude, Patra(sometimes) get viewers of Nijisanji/Hololive caliber. Not many else so it's not really a good indicator.

>>17963605
I wonder what the sub counts of certain vtubers would look like without those who only subbed because they have [COMPANY] next to their names.

>>17963605
There is no "coming back", they aren't unsubbed they are just permanently hidden. However you are right that a lot of people did sub to Sana and then realized they don't really like her, part of why she gets fairly low CCV.

>>17964013
where the fuck did this talk of niji come from? I'm just asking about council.

>>17963650
Honestly, no. Council was a boring disappointment and failed to put the shine back on HoloEN that Myth gave it when it was new. The future belongs to NijiEN unless Cover shapes up. Or maybe VShojo but I wouldn't know because I don't watch that shit.

>>17963650
No one in Hololive or Niji EN would get the numbers they do without the company brand. Millie's probably the closest to having her old CCV but she's passed her old self in subs and SCs significantly.

>>17948029
Idk still want sana to step on me

>>17964013
>Immediately starts coping about Luxiem.
Never change /vt/.

>>17948029
One is a western vtuber, the other one is an eastern vtuber, why are we comparing both?

>>17948522
Noone saved their black talent (Flare), so they won't save ours

>>17964586
>Brit and Aussie
Which one is eastern?

>>17964706
>Flare
She's the 39th most subbed vtuber in the world, the 9th most SC'd vtuber in history, and has a CCV average that puts her at 30th~ in the world among vtubers.

>>17964765
Pretty sure he means how one is watched by westerners and the other by SEA/chink

>>17948522
The fujos are just getting started. It's not worth even trying to save her now.

>>17948029
Fujos are powerful I kneel

>>17964870
it's just sophism at this point

>>17964015
Impossible to disentangle that, except for the ones who were streamers before, or who could have converted their existing channels to vtuber channels.

How shocking, the woman who literally doesn't stream is getting beat by someone who does. How absolutely fucking baffling.

>>17962554
She'ss obviosuly using that as a excuse to not stream

man I wish I was part of HoloEN, just by existing I can live off of sad people who jerk off to numbers

>>17965475
Stop crying

>>17965475

>>17953958

>>17948029
Just imagine how much more of an audience she could have if she actually bothered to do art streams too.

why would anyone watch a dude with a anime avatar
i hate faggots so much it's unreal

>>17966487
do you know what board you're on, anon?

>>17966487
I mean, I can totally understand why certain women and unironic faggots like them. I just wish they stopped acting like the world revolved around them and didn't try to shove it down everybody's throats.
Funny how this always ends up being an issue with these people.

>>17965740
One fucking 12 hour stream in 8 days does NOTHING to help your growth. She doesn't stream daily. She streams once or twice a week if you're lucky. So I will fucking repeat, a person who doesn't fucking stream isn't growing. Absolutely. Fucking. Baffling.

>>17966487
Yeah he's a huge flaming homo, but it's not dudes watching him.
I think you massively underestimate the thirsty women of the internet.

>>17965740

>>17958601
like do you really believe that shitty excuse?
she wanted time off, this is what you get

WE WON NIJIBROS

>>17967232
Yea, streaming isn't even a "2nd job" to her. it's just pastime. When she's free and just wants stay home and play a game all day long she just streams it because she might as well.
I guess you could make the argument that she at least doesn't hate streaming itself unlike Kronii.

>>17965475
I think OP's point is that tribalism is stupid because you'll end up moving your goalposts. from "HAHA WE ARE THE UNTOUCHABLE HOLOLIVE" to "she's just the worst member, that's all..."

if that wasn't OP's point, that's what I'd like to put out to this thread anyways.

>a male will never clear 100k
>a male will never be the top of their branch
>a male will never beat Sana
(YOU ARE HERE)
>a male will never beat a *real* Holo
>a male will never beat all of HoloJP
>a male Vtuber will never be in the top 10 streamers of the year
>a male will never be the face of Vtubing
>Pekora will never beg a male for a collab

>>17951194
Kinda sad a year ago Mori and Kiara were always near the top of the weekly superchat rankings, where did all their paypigs go?

>>17949553
>>17949825
And so the cope begins.

>>17948053
He will have beat all of council by the end of the year anonchama...

>>17948029
Shitposting aside, I never thought anyone in HoloEN would be passed in subs by another EN chuuba. What the actual fuck? Bravo to Vox.

>>17950736
>NijiMEN? More like SaibaMEN, amirite?
kek

>>17971919
Good, fuck Council. Lazy assholes who did nothing with their silver spoon.

>>17967866
>A male vtuber's brain won't be implanted into a capsule and work in tandem with an advanced AI to be Earth's benevolent ruler

>>17948053
I don’t understand why her illustrator made her black… And why not make her look more feminine to compensate, instead of the goofy sailor moon haircut..

>>17948029
They hit the jackpot with Vox

>>17966962
>I just wish they stopped acting like the world revolved around them and didn't try to shove it down everybody's throats.
the irony is palpable coming from a holobrony. one of you retards have been nonstop spamming pics of ame on /int/ for weeks if not months now.

>>17975279
>vtubers
>/int/
??

>>17975279
That isn't even mentioning other boards. They continually try to force themselves onto /v/ all the time. Probably many other boards I don't browse as well.

>>17969899
Either left vtubers or small corpos siphoned them. I've heard some small corpos have some very dedicated oil barons.

>>17950736
fuck you holobrony

>>17975390
/news/ without a doubt. There’s a fag on there who posts shit with an anime thumbnail (more often than not it’s holo) to bait people.

>>17975103
Sana was probably happy with it, her OC in her PL was a brown loli but of course that fag Omega would've never let her be a loli.

>>17975390
The only reason /vt/ exists in the first place is because /jp/ wasn't cutting it as a containment board as Holobronies would spam every other board regardless.
I'm convinced Holobronies seethe so hard about male vtubers and "fujos" forcing it down everyone's throats as a projection of their own childish behavior.

>>17975716
Seeth more nijinigger

>"Artist-kun, I want to be a big titty brown girl with blonde hair!"
>artist gives her a mutilated nigger frankenstein for a model, so deformed her ears are on the back of her head and which routinely gets mogged by even the most baseline fanart
I'd lose my will to live too.

>>17948029
oh wow you beat, like, the weakest one. Congrats?

>>17975964
Even her colors are off. If they didn't go with the hair and clothing color they currently had they would have something more pleasing to the eyes. Her joke gender swapped model has different colors for her hair and clothes and what do you know, it works. I hope they eventually fix her model.

>>17975902
>seeth
ESLchama…

>>17948029
Why do you even "watch" vtubers? You could just as well be getting excited because Intel's stock price is better than AMD's or whatever, and it would be less work.

>>17948029
Congratulations to him. It's a tough milestone to reach in this environment.

>>17966962
anon... at least think about your own or others you identify with's actions before condemning others for doing the same thing.

>>17976742
Holobronies have 0 self-awareness, they're mental toddlers.

>>17948029
male branch incoming (made up of voice actresses playing 200 year old boys that look 14 so as not to upset the idol consumers)

>>17976742
>>17976843
>have several different agencies that cater to your needs
>instead of just enjoying the content those agencies provide and support them, go to the ONE agency that caters to a different audience and start screeching until they start catering towards you as well
>WAAAAAHH NO IT'S NOT US IT'S YOU

>>17948029
How did Sana managed to be worse than Anya?

>>17977245
even your oshi finds you disgusting

>>17949010
Biggest thing seems to be you can go from hobby to career. If you're charismatic you can go from hobby to extremely profitable 25k a month career.

>>17977318
>I have no counterarguments so I will resort to petty insults

>>17975364
do you think the holobrony label was a forced nickname? You faggots shove that shit up in completely unrelated places.

>>17977306
By literally never streaming

>>17977245
but anon, holobronies do that same shit to smaller agencies all the time do to hololives status as the top dog.
its not about what youre complaining about its about you not being a hypocrite about what youre complaining about.
dont pretend like your side is better when it partakes in the same behaviour but worse because youre part of a majority meaning theres more dumbasses doing the same shit while you turn a blind eye too it

>>17967866
>>a male will never clear 100k
>>a male will never be the top of their branch
>>a male will never beat Sana
Isn't Niji's biggest streamer a guy? Who has said any of this?

>>17977245
>instead of just enjoying the content those agencies provide and support them, go to the ONE agency that caters to a different audience and start screeching until they start catering towards you as well
I've seen people get mad when vtuber girls who are in no way idols interact with or even talk about males.
Now, I have no proof that these people were Holofags, but if you don't think that this isn't Hololive's shadow falling on the rest of the industry, you're just delusional.

>>17967459
Sana works hard on her roommate while happily pulling 10+hr every pokemon stream (same happened with her previous playthrough), anons seethe

>>17967459
wow, a whole 8 streams in 2022

Honestly deserved. Sanas effort is low even if her streams are long and this is barring the fact shes the least popular of her gen. Vox is both popular and he puts in effort of the strongest nijiEN wave. A solid reward.

>>17949650
How does this relate to anything I typed? Let me rephrase it for you. If the most entertaining people naturally get the largest numbers why would naturally entertaining people shift to Hololive. These people should already be successful on the merit of their entertainment value and don't need a corporation to help boost them.

>>17978019
Dude they're already harassing their own girls for not living up to the imaginary standards they set in their heads for how "idol vtubers" should behave. Half the reason Aloe quit was because Holofags themselves were harassing her for being an impure sexhaver but they like to spread historical revisionism that it was Nijifags unicorning over another agency's employees.(???)
Now they're repeating the same thing with Mori and trying to force her to graduate just because she's friends with a guy. They also did that shit to Ollie for months just because she likes collabing with men and wants to befriend Holostars. It's not a problem with Holo antis, it's a problem with their fans being schizo freaks who see a livestreamer as their imaginary girlfriend.

Of course none of them will openly admit this because they're financially reliant on these losers as their loyal paypigs but they all resent their most die-hard schizo fans and wish they'd act more normal instead of putting them on a pedestal as a representation of "purity" in a sea of degenerate non-Holo vtubers. When vtubing dies down you're gonna start seeing a lot of "tell-all" pieces on weeb news sites from "anonymous english vtuber formerly working for a japanese virtual idol company" sharing what they really think about their most schizo fans.

Cant wait for the cope when he beats Kronii and eventually reaches a million subs
>Council was a mistake anyway!
>>17978886
I don't disagree with you, but how do we parse people that are just insane and the drama obsessed schizos, there's always people that will never shut the fuck about something no matter how much time passes, those people don't care about idol anything, they just like drama

>>17979179
Those people exist in every subculture though and are largely unimportant voices trying to stir up drama and being ignored. Their success in latching onto the vtuber scene was due to vtuber fans being really easily triggered into aggressively defending their oshi which leads to fanbase wars and tribalism. It's a dramafag's wet dream that they found a group of lonely grown men who behave similarly to kpop stans.

>>17977245
The people who harassed Lain for being close with her male wavemates were people who had Hololive fanmarks in their twitter

>>17979796
...of course she’d be close with them, they are genmates

>>17975898
>I'm convinced Holobronies seethe so hard about male vtubers and "fujos" forcing it down everyone's throats as a projection of their own childish behavior.

>>17979179
Don't know if that will happen. We don't know when the males sub growth will plateau. If you look at the Niji EN girls they have a period of growth and then it nose dived. For Lazulight around summer time their growth shifted from the explosive phase.

With that said, all the girls have seen an uptick of subscribers ever since Luxiem dropped.

>>17980219
With NijiEN's current method of throwing out waves every 2-3 months they'll probably continue growing if they keep releasing mixed gens after this and bringing in viewers that don't normally watch vtubers.
Not that they'll grow fast enough to pass Kronii any time soon but debuting new waves helps boost the older ones as well.

>>17948029
>Best EN is almost as good as the least successful Holo
>We won.

Good one. Go suck Vox's dick

>>17949179
If you nuke it, all you'll get is numberfags in the threads you frequent even more. You can't stop it, it is human nature.

>>17969899
those guys are like the holomyth of male vtubers theyre the first male corpo chuubas pretty sure their numbers are going to wane 16 months from now. also vox streams almost twice as much as other corpo chuubas

>>17976084
She should actually swap to the shota model, it's legit better. Just have it rigged. And ditch the voice changer, most shotas are voiced by women anyway.

>>17963650
Mumei had a million subscribers. She's only gotten a little bit more than half that since joining Hololive.

>>17982618
>those guys are like the holomyth of male vtubers
It's amazing how few people seem to acknowledge this. They have the SAME buff as Myth, as in 0 competition, and this level of success is all they amount to. It's all downhill from here.

>>17963432
KIZUNA AI MOGGING SEVERAL COMPANIES SOLO!

>>17982947
Nah, there still isn't a male counterpart to Gura, in the sense of appealing to lots of normalfags like she does. There needs to a Pewdiepie-like English-speaking guy VTuber before that happens.

>>17983110
That's never going to happen because anime twinks simple don't have the same mainstream appeal as cute anime girls.
Just give it up. Stop making a clown of yourselves. Be happy that what you love will forever remain a tiny niche because once something goes mainstream is the time it gets ruined.

>>17982947
Being the first man is not the same as being the first period. Myth also came out at the perfect moment for covid quarantines, while Luxiem is coming out at the tail end when people have either adapted or aren't even under quarantine anymore. It's not close to >the SAME

>>17982945
Does this say more about her or the current state of Hololive?

>>17983235
>Being the first man is not the same as being the first period.
Yes it is because it's an ENTIRELY different market.
>Myth also came out at the perfect moment for covid quarantines
This is just nijicope.

>>17948029
I watched Vox Akuma for a bit, and he totally deserves it. Dude is probably the most professional streamer out of all Vtubers I've seen. Buttery-smooth voice, a ton of charisma, and he's always in control. Comparing him to Sana is like comparing professional theater to a high school play.

Sana honestly doesn't even feel like she's in Hololive, the rest of Council at least has some connection with each other and the other members but Sana just seems like she doesn't fit in Hololive and clearly her unpopularity even as an EN member proves that.

>>17982947
No, they aren't like Myth. Luxiem wasn't riding Niji JP hype unlike Myth riding Holo JP hype.

>>17983624
You're vastly overestimating the amount of people that were "hyped" for HoloEN prior to their debut. Hololive was essentially non-existent in the west outside of EOP clipfags and JP speaking weebs that were doomposting about them.

>>17983501
She literally has the biggest connection of Council since her best friend is in Myth and is the only HoloEN member who actually contributes to the company behind-the-scenes. If Cover simply put in their contracts that a certain amount of streams were required each week, Sana would be one of the better Council members. The fact that the only Council member who takes streaming seriously also has the worst voice/personality is a shame.

>>17984255
Fucking BULLSHIT, EOPs where all over JP streams due to those viral clips, only a fool would have thought that HoloEN wasn't gonna be a huge hit.

>>17983231
I think that if a western male VTuber is gonna blow up, they're not gonna be anime-styled. Maybe western-cartoon styled or something.

>>17983278
She used to upload edited videos instead of streaming, the difference in content is likely a factor.

>>17983366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bVQ5GmuOo

>>17983501
I heard that she was hired as an artist, so she's kinda like staff. How true is this?

>>17948053
Flare...

Who's Sana?

>>17964167
VShojo is the only company I can see standing against HoloEN. NijiEN girls aren't a threat while the boys have a different audience. But because the 2 former use different websites, it's kinda difficult to compare them.

>>17948687
Oh no the great /#/ boogeyman. The number thread discourages catalog baiting and we don't allow rrats in the thread either. We are one of the best threads on the board and channel old /sp/ style rivalry threads. Frequenters hate catalog baiters and its not our fault that a bunch of disingenuous shit posters grab our screenshots to bait the catalog.

Take a look at yourselves before you demonize our thread.

>>17977306
Anya at least has some personality(bratty stubborn girl) and she is streaming a lot comparing to Sana, so her or /here/ meme dream about ONE MILLION subs looks real to me.

>>17993027
All the baiters live in /#/. Your thread is the source of all the shit bait threads messing up the catalog.

>>17948029
LOL holobronies in shambles.

>>17993394
Yeah, the endless Mori threads that have shit up the catalog for weeks now is because of numbers. Like I said, look at yourself before you demonize us. Our thread was actually a safe space for Deadbeats because if anybody tried to bring up the numbers drama in /#/ we reminded them that we don't deal in rrat pushing in that thread.

>>17948439
YouTube subscribers, anon.

>>17992790
Vshojo has a vastly different audience as well. They share a market with regular twitch thots instead of vtubers. Their audiences are built on twitch kids as opposed to the mostly adult men that make up Hololive's audience. This is also true of the likes of Shylily and other notable indies on the platform.

>>17993778
>Their audiences are built on twitch kids as opposed to the mostly adult men that make up Hololive's audience.
This is not true at all. They're audience is likely relatively younger than Hololive but they're still relatively older compared to the mainstream Twitch audience. Nyanners once shared some stats about her audience before and the median was somewhere around like 25-27. And there are a higher proportion of her audience that are 35-44 than under 18 too.

>>17993778
They aren't a bunch of kids abusing their mothers credit card. They are adults paying for subscriptions and possibly bits and so on. Why do Holoniggers have to diminish every other corpo/indie and compare it to Hololive which they then exalt as something more sophisticated?

>>17948053
>Haha le racism, I'm so funni guize rite??

>>17983624
all of those girls from kuzuha's fanbase practically waiting for en male vtubers you're underestimating their amount, they just don't show themselves up in chat because they dont understand japanese. not to mention the actual base the nijien girls already built beforehand. these guys were not riding on nothing, in fact they had more of an advantage seeing at how common the vtuber culture has become

>>17995304
Negros are literally the only people so retarded that they think the tanned characters in anime are black (just as Burgermutts are the only ones retarded enough to think everyone else is white).

>>17993526
Face it, all your thread does is breed tribalism and shitposting. You should've been wiped off the board and all numberfagging banned from other threads.

>>17948029
Just a heads up, it's been over 20 hours since you made this thread and he hasn't even passed her yet.

>>18002176
Notice how Sana is still at 290k, while Vox went from 286k to 289k. Vox is still gaining subs while Sana hasn’t budged at all.

>>17977770
numberfags.
You must definitely be a newfag if you haven't heard this before.

>>17992147
I have a sinking feeling that some zoomer Minecraft channel is going to be the one to do it and become successful as well.

>>18002571
maybe because she hasnt streamed even once the last week lol

>>17949838
oh come on, as a holosister, Sana is an actual disgrace.

you can call Kronii Lazy but she'll still pull some numbers, Fauna has been doing good, Bae works hard same with Mummers.

Sana on the other hand...

>>18002967
Maybe one of the cartoon channels is gonna form a VTuber group and advertise them on TV. Some voice actors already started YouTube channels.

>>17977770
They didn't think the men would go beyond 500 viewers per stream. They have been lashing out for almost two months now.

>>17948029
Sana is honestly the worst holo. She never should have been hired. Already gone full Ayame and hasn’t even been in the company half a year yet.

>>17963133
sana treating hololive as a side hobby is the biggest middle finger to everyone thag applied for council but got rejected

>>18002967
DreamSMP already tried it and their fans didn't care/hated it.

>>18002804
>you must be new if you don't keep yourself updated on numberschizo delusions
There are better things to discuss in this shithole, like streams. And vtubers. And reality. Sorry I don't read up on the daily happenings in the unmedicated pseudo Discord that is the number general.

>>17963133
>>18005290
Isn't she working as an artist for Hololive?

>>18002967
That spic Ugandan Knuckles guy is already the fastest growing VTuber, so it's kinda started already.

>>18005543
But they're spic so it doesn't matter. Language barrier.

>>17948029
this just highlights how worthless the niji females are

>>18005859
English YouTubers might notice his success and copy his style, that's a possibility.

>>18005954
I mean some english youtubers and twitch streamers have and none of them have really decided to keep up with it.

>>17993603
Why is the pink cat whore so popular?

>>17993603
Why would this even matter?
They're twitch streamers

>>18006016
I mean specifically his silly western cartoon style. All the English YouTubers that tried it before only used anime-style avatars.

>>18006088
Because they have YouTube channels and those can be compared since they're on the same platform. Not even all Japanese VTubers are streamers and they were already being compared to the Holos in subs long before.

>>18006024
She was already a weeb meme long before VTubers, and she was at the forefront of VShojo at the start.

He's only just caught up now.

>>18003247
Sounds like that's her problem then

>>17993526
>we don't deal in rrat pushing in that thread
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>17992302
That is what her friend Ina does, Sana is also an artist but I don't think there's any evidence she's done art for Cover. At least not regularly.

>>17996604
>all of those girls from kuzuha's fanbase
>girls
Man, you aren't even trying anymore.

>>18007106
Saner...

>>17950736
Gave me a good chuckle

I bet you nijiniggers would feel proud winning at the special olympics too.

>HOLOBRONIES ARE RETARDS!
>NIJINIGGERS ARE RETARDS!
/thread
You are all the same

>>17975103
Her artist typically makes brown pretty boys, the bigger issue os why he was tasked with making a model that is completely different than his own style

>>17976084
>>17982665
I honestly felt the same, the shota model was so much better, her voice isn't really that feminine either so i feel like she pulls it off

>>18006024
Dead viewers, legitimately, a lot of her old viewers are dead, her account is almost a decade old

>>18008691
He beat Sana in under two months. He's only going up from here.

>>18008717
>/threading yourself
Cringe.

>>18008717
/thread

>>18008863
Many of them killed themselves after she removed pomf. It's true.

>>18008863
Not really. She only really gained a fuckton of subscribers after she debuted as a VTuber. The point I highlighted in the image is her number of subs at her debut date, right now she has 1.39 million.

>>18009045
see
>>18009113

>>18008997
Samefag.

>>17983364
Dude covid gave a massive buff to anything related to streaming or home entertainment. Denying that just makes you look like an actual retard, Netflix market value exploded because of the same reason.

>>18009404
hulucope