/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>She just had a pleasant stream for once.
What the fuck? Did I shift timelines?

>>1737914
I think she's taken to heart some of avenues of improvement for herself. It's always rough facing your deficiencies, but her willingness to adjust and overcome makes me want to root for her.

>>1737821
Hearing her talk about the uno collab hurt me a bit.
It's just shitposting you dumb chicken, just because it made me cringe until my brain shriveled into a raisin doesn't mean it wasn't also really entertaining.

>>1738340
What are you talking about? Sweet, sweet Kiara needs to talk about shit MORE now. She's carved out her niche and she'll get tons of donations from the desperate scatfags. Plus, it runs in her blood.

>>1738340
Timestamp?

>>1737821
I feel bad for Gura Ame Ina and Cali having to be gen mates with this shit chicken.

She has nothing to offer for entertainment. Her singing is below average considering other holos. So she can only focus on drama and interact with her chat for entertainment.

is kiara a virgin

>>1738654
Not gonna lie, former Kiara anti here. This is fucking hilarious watching Kiara burn and rebirth. But in all seriousness we can't let this girl get the JP collabs.

>>1738686
not after the cursed wrestling match

Kiara I know you are here please know that I love it when you are inadvertently a huge bitch. All the other Holos come off as doormats but you will straight up say a viewers’ chocolate is low effort which is what everyone is thinking anyway. The Austrian bluntness is a breath of fresh air and you are the only one who plays no name jrpgs out of all the ENs. I know you will ignore my comment to read all the anti posts so just want to add that I want to hatefuck you until one of us passes out, and then we go get a sundae or something.

I wonder what she smelled like in public after the blanket incident. Do you think you could even stay in the same room as her?

Top Left here; why exactly is Kusotori so hated on this board? I thought it was just the voice or that she's loud, but people keep alluding to "deceitful/manipulative tactics" without ever elaborating on what those are. Can someone explain it to me in smoothbrain terms.

>>1738686
She definitely bonked the shit out of Mori, so no

>>1738654
>says she has nothing to offer for entertainment
>rest of comment is literalyl listing things she offers for entertainment
why are all kiara antis so retarded?

>>1738686
There is unironically a picture if a black man carrying her roommate in his arms. Take that as you will.

>>1738856
Most of it is bullshit. There’s a vocal minority of genuine antis plus a bunch of other losers who just want to fit in. There’s no good reason to hate Kiara. Though not being a fan of her content is fine.

>>1738472
>make a scat joke
>suddenly /vt/ becomes a board of a refined humor taste
Toilet humor in Japan is also considered funny. They have a hats in form of shit for lulz. You would expect a board of shitposters to understand than, but nope.

>>1738995
She just did that for a BLM photo op, the dude in the picture looked uncomfortable and probably thought “why are white hos always this retarded”

>>1738995
I like her even more now. She really is the girliest, cutest holo

>>1738995
A photo with a monkay?

>>1738995
I’ve carried white women in my arms and not fucked them. Granted I was a kid at the time and I’m happy for my brother if he did.

>>1739037
That's some serious cope. If she's doing photo ops with black people carrying her you can bet she's doing other things behind the scenes.

>>1738472
I can't wait for Kiara to become known as the holo with a scat gimmick. One day she's going to shit on stream, Mori-style.

Deadbraps

What did she say about collabs, something about holotalk not being affected. I'm after my night shift and decided not to sleep today and just blanked out at that point

is kiara ok? is she doing fine?

>>1739380
Never mind, found it in vod. Not bothered by that, actually, since her solo content is great, the rest of holoen are fucking boring and I'm too eop to really appreciate collabs with jps. More stuff with id girls would be interesting though.

>>1738856
If you think of love to hate on a scale, -100 being hate, 0 being neutral and 100 being love, Kiara is... less than 0 on this board, how much so is up for debate.
The real reason though, is probably because of KFP, who are seen as (and act like) basically reddit.

>>1738856
Because a small party of idiots samefag with each other. they think that collab with someone who is more famous is leeching, and not a marketing tactics.

>>1739601
>6 hour VOD
how tf did you find any answers in all that sewage waste

>>1737821
Timestamp? What did she say?

The comments are literally under the video, retard. She doesn't need to come to this garbage board to see them.

Kiara if you are reading please understand I do not hate you and i genuinely want you to keep going so with that in mind please see the stuff I'm gonna list as just my personal opinion:

1. Your mic setup sucks. It sounds like it's setup for ASMR but your vooce is not good for asmr. You sound way too close to it and it makes me cringe everytime you talk because of it. Please consider the distance. Polka and Subaru are loud speakers and you can compare that the voice quality to yours are not the same.

2. I know you're an ESL. You sound better in Japanese as far as I can tell because your words sounds way less bitchy. So in order to fix this misconception of people... Try carefully wording things out in your brain first before saying them especially if those words are your comments about people. It's never really goos in the first place to be so rough when commenting about other people.

3. Stop getting into outbursts about your numbers. Everyone is trying to watch to have a good time. You suddenly bursting out your frustrations kills off the atmosphere especially because you sound really bitchy when you do it. You must have noticed that you don't exactly sound cute like other vtubers so be careful. If you want to be frustrated.... Do it in a member'a stream.

4. When thinga don't go your way in a game.... Try to approach them in a mature way. Even if they are technical and you don't know shit about them. Your passive aggressive comment always leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Don't do it publicly. Just take a breather and then just switch games. Again, you don't sound cute so your whines doesn't sound good to many people.

5. Please consider taking voice lessons. Your voice has potential but you have acquired bad habits maybe because you want to sound like a jp idol. This is not good. Just sing in your normal pitch and please put some distance between you and your mic.

Lastly. Don't do your sc reading right after a collab. It's bad manners. Just open another stream.

I love your collabs. I think out of all the holoen you habe proeuced the most original streams like holotalk, teaching classes and the Christmas special. The most i have enjoyed you solo was in your first among us stream. Keep pushing hard.

>>1738872
Never mind that escort that looks like Calli that she hired

>>1740497
Kiara if you are reading this the anon that typed all that is a huge fag

>>1738856
Obviously everyone isn't going to have the same reasons, but you already got a couple of them. Her voice is very loud and her accent is coarse. During collabs she is always the loudest one in the room. Normally during a collab you're pulling in people from other groups because they want to see the streamer that they like, and then they might find another streamer that they like in the collab too, that way everyone wins. Kiara's issue is that she talks over, interrupts, and insults her collaborators in EVERY collab. So she might end up with some fans out of collabs, but she also ends up with a bunch of people that don't like her because she kept cutting off their oshi or something. And she does a ton of collabs, so that happens a lot. The result is that unlike most of the other holos the number of people that dislike her increases every time she does a collab. Normally a streamer could fix the issue, but Kiara is consistently unapologetic about any her criticisms, and frequently comes off as whiny or bitchy while doing so. Even if she addresses a fault, people still dislike her afterward because she was unpleasant or was unwilling to admit it was a problem while addressing it so the amount of hate never actually decreases.

Kiara if you are reading this, please making jokes about Scheiße, it's hilarious.

could you KFP off-site tourists who are typing actual paragraphs just fuck off from this imageboard, thanks

>>1740672
Seeing anons triggered by the germam way of speaking was great, but seeing them encounter german "humour" for the first time was pure kino

>>1740497
>Do it in a member'a stream.
Fucking this.

>>1740678
No

And I'm going to reddit type

T. False flagging "takodachi" Ina

>>1738856
It's all bullshit, but from what I've managed to gather so far is
1) Racism. Weeb who "made it" and got to be in Japan. /jp/ got jealous.
2) Some took the pekobowl rivalry with Moona WAY too seriously. Probably the reason so many of the antis are indogs.
3) The personality, loudness and history makes her an easy target.

The biggest issue is, that because of 1) hating her became a meme and socially acceptable on hlg, and it has carried on.

>>1740672
*keep making

>>1740729
Yeah it was really funny how upset people got over it, makes me kinda sad that she decided to actually listen to them tho.

>>1740774
I don't think anyone is upset about Kiara except her fans and Kiara herself, who are mad that people are laughing at her.

>>1740636
To add onto this she's always incredibly thin skinned despite her more loud or bossy attitude she gives off during her collabs. You say even one thing that you didn't like about her collab, her stream, or the /u/ teasing and she quite literally cries on stream and her paypigs are very quick to tell her everything is ok and she's perfect. Which is a shame because she certainly has the energy and the dedication to become one of the best but she'll never improve because her fans don't care and will defend her regardless.

>>1740827
I wouldn't call the amount of hatred often spewed around in here just "laughing".

>>1741176
That's because it's easy to misinterpret things that are directed at people you like. For example, when there are threads talking about how she's going to shit her pants it's not because they're upset she's going to shit her pants, it's because they're laughing at the one vtuber that has such a severe lack of tact that she'll go on stream and say she wants to shit her pants several times over the course of an hour.

>>1741176
It's just laughing anon. I'll peel the curtain back a bit for you:
They keep going because you keep getting so asshurt. Unironically using "hatred" for shitposts, what kind of fag are you?
It will never stop being funny unless you guys assimilate.

>>1741806
Imagine the smell.

>>1741867
I understand where you're coming from with that argument, but
>It's just a prank bro

>>1739175
There is a really easy to find vid of Kiara's roommate and friend getting drunk with a black guy. She's pretty drunk at the end and he starts giving her "the eye" right before the vid stops. Pretty sure she got plowed.

>>1740769

Forgot 4) Kiara is the only HoloMyth member that a)Knows japanese (discard Gura and Ame) and b)Has time for collabs (discard Mori and Ina). So, a lot of collabs end up being JP member + Kiara. Which plays straight into 1).

>>1741963
Stay mad, I guess.

>>1741990
h-hot..

>>1741963
In all seriousness, if Kiara did shit her pants, would you find it attractive?

>>1741990
Never watched Kiara's steam lol?

>>1741963

Literal "I was only pretending". In Year of Our Lord 2021. Face it, Kiara antis became so unbearable that people decided to support the orange woman just to have those faggots shup up.

>>1742061
I'm not even KFP, I just hate infighting.

>>1742060
Fucking KFP man.

>>1742099
You dodged the question.

>>1742156
Not my thing if you really need to know.

>>1740497
>Stop getting into outbursts about your numbers. Everyone is trying to watch to have a good time. You suddenly bursting out your frustrations kills off the atmosphere

I'm a big Kiara fan but this also annoys me. Its kind of cringy and sounds like a pity party (even when Kiara doesnt intend it to be that way, shes just venting frustrations) and it makes the viewers feel awkward

>>1742088
I literally tried that, but her bad collab energy is so powerful it reverted me.. the power of the chicken.

Impossible, Most of the anti threads are Kiara self hate to bait KFP reactions and sympathies. She can't cum without seeing any KFP white knight for her.

Is this the main thread?

>>1742686
Now that's one sexy rrat.

I just want to be happy

>>1738995
>ywn carry your oshi's roommate in your arms
Why live?

>>1743708
I'm sure you will be one day Kiara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOAS5x_BQ8

54:10
>Guys I have made myself a goal. Obviously I cannot change immediately 100%, but I will try to swear less in my streams.
56:00
>There's a lot of things that I feel like it's not a big deal, but then I see a lot of criticism of it. Then I'm like 'ok, well, idk why but ok'
58:00
>How sensitive are you about the P**P. It's like what is your problem, it's just what humans and especially babies produce. Why did everyone make such a big drama about it, chill? But ok I will never ever ever mention P-O-O-P ever again, because there's so many sensitive people who are like 'Now THIS is too much, all the other things Kiara said are fine but no, p o o p, the thing that I do every day, that is unacceptable, you went way too far Kiara'
4:28:30
>I've been not feeling so well these past few days. Not sure how I feel about things. But I'm going to continue doing my best and try to entertain you guys as much as I can.
4:29:30
>'More cat tangents' I don't wanna do too many because then people are gonna be like 'uhh she takes so many breaks, so annoying, she can't focus on her game, her cats are disturbing everything'. I don't wanna see them start that kind of stuff so... I'm gonna try not to do it too much.
4:31:30
>'You're being too harsh against yourself' I don't think so. I was being easy on myself, but I'm only trying now to adjust myself. Generally I was totally easy on myself.
5:31:30
>In some way my whole existence is offending people. So I wanna try to offend less people.
5:33:50
>Idk, sorry guys that I'm... [Minute of silence] There was just a bit too much this week. And I don't wanna hear about it anymore, so I'm just trying to take a few steps back.
5:35:00
Doesn't even reply to some concernfag saying to ignore the criticism
5:36:00
SC telling her chat is an echo chamber telling her what she wants to hear, it's better to trust your genmates feedback.
>Naruhodo.

>>1743883
The saddest part is that no matter what she does the rrats will never die.

>>1738686
No Vtuber over the age of 20 is a virgin

>>1743883
I JUST WANT HER TO BE OK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>1743883
I swear, this board is going to give the poor girl a mental breakdown some day

She doesn't deserve all the hate

>>1743883
>Kiara, if ITT.
Swearing isn't the problem, hogging the spotlight and talking over your genmates is.
You know what it is. Hogging the spotlight and talking over your genmates.
Scat jokes aren't a problem. 30 minutes of scat jokes that, you guessed it, that drowned out your genmates is.
Yeah, health is a problem. Please take care of it.
Don't care about the cats one way or the other.
Go ahead and be harsh. It's a good sign, but not without changing the one factor that actually creates problems: talking over your genmates.
No, it's not offending people. You're drowning out your genmates, stop talking over them.
Yes, do take some time to figure out how not to hog the spotlight with your genmates.

She literally dodged the only real relevant issue. Everything else? People will either tune in or out. But in a collab? It's hard unless people also avoid their favorite.
It's literally only one problem.
Just address it and fix it.

>>1742100
t. deadbrap

>>1740636
You wrote a lot to say she's loud and interrupts people.

>>1744069
yeah she is ok, but all that baggage of her past life is gonna haunt her for a long time, she needs to do something kino

>>1743883
She has to be lurking here right? She should stop that. Sure you can get legitimate criticism here because of the nature of anonymous image boards. However, 4chan is so warped and depraved that anyone commenting here is commenting through a lense of absolute hopelessness and despair, the people who hang out here and who continue to post here are not well. Normal people do not use 4chan and shouldnt be who you try to fix yourself for.

>>1743883
Forgot the part where she said she won't collab anymore for a while

>>1744093
>Scat jokes aren't a problem.
Yes, they are. They are the absolute lowest form of comedy. Agree with everything else you've posted though.

>>1744069
All she needs to do is never visit this board

>>1743883
>Swearing.
Some tune in for that.
>Dumb bird can't figure it out.
Some tune in for that.
>POOP jokes.
Some tune in for that.
>Not feeling well but I'll power through.
Some tune in for that.
>Cats.
Some tune in for that.
>Harsh on herself.
Some tune in for that.
>Being offensive to others.
Some tune in for that.
>BEING SO FUCKING LOUD WE CAN'T ENJOY COLLABS
JUST FUCKING STOP THIS THAT'S ALL FUCK

>>1744150
No they're hilarious.
Only ascended aryans like her can appreciate them because they aren't insecure about their humor, whereas lesser hominids like you feel the need to inflate their ego by only laughing at whatever they're told is "intelligent" or "mature" humor.

>>1744150
Sure sure, we can agree to disagree. I don't like them myself, either. But there's plenty of her fans that don't really care one way or the other, or thought it was funny. Didn't help her, but probably didn't hurt her fanbase, either.

>>1744114
I'd be fucking shocked if she doesn't read this board so I tried to actually explain the issue for her sake instead of just telling her she's loud. I don't actually hate her and I hope she can work through it.

>>1744140
She said before she stopped reading negative stuff but that's probably precisely why her streams turned to absolute shit ever since moving back.
And the most recent shitstorm is a bit different from the usual SEAnigger schizo sperging. Even KFPs started noticing all these problems.

>>1743883
Honestly, this is good. She has to be able to accept criticism in order to improve.

KFP telling her she's fine and saying here that it's just a few schizos are just making things worse.

>>1743883
How has it been SIX MONTHS of her having the same problem but it's quite literally blamed on everything else but the actual issue. Just take a step back during the collabs and let your genmates have SOME of the spotlight. Every big collab has been the same way and every time it become insufferable to watch if you're not her fan.

>>1744241
>Even KFPs started noticing all these problems.
They really aren't, the comment screenshots that you retards posted here where all either in jest or not very harsh at all.
You're quite literally a low functioning autist if you think otherwise.

>>1738856
She's a neurotic 3dpd.

>>1744150
I think they're shitty, butt that's not my reason for disliking her or her collab appearances.

>>1744253
Honestly, I can't even fault KFP for defending Kiara. I just have one criticism, and, I believe, it's the root of all the other criticisms. Just look at the Ollie thread that tried to shit on her, there's one huge thing that practically clears her of everything: she's not rude to her fellow streamers.

>>1744269
>NOOO WHY ISN'T A MEMBER ABSOLUTELY TRASHING HER AND WORDING CRITICISM POLITELY THEY'RE BEING TOO SOFT IT DOESN'T COUNT
Absolute mental illness

>>1740769
the moona pekora thing was that big of a deal with indos?? O_o

>>1744140
>She has to be lurking here right? She should stop that.
You seem to forget: You're here forever.

>>1744241
I think Kiara knows though that she is doing something wrong, you dont need to be on 4chan to understand that with the slipping viewership and slowed sub growth. I dunno, Kiara being here cant be good for her mental health. 4chan is already toxic as fuck, now imagine lurking a board where one in every 5 threads is dedicated to wishing youd fuck off and die. Its good to accept criticism and change, but staying in a shit place will hamper performance not improve it.

>>1744328
Indos really do not give a shit, one way or the other. It's easy to blame them or claim "INDOGS!" because they just shrug.

>>1744185
It's quite literally, just this simple but I don't know if she will or WANTS to get it. She gets a lot of attention and money from the suffering blogging.

>>1743883
I empathize with Kiara because I also have a terrible personality that naturally irks people. It's annoying because modern society always wants you to express yourself and say what's on your mind and to "let it go" but for people who are naturally unpleasant it just further enables us. I wish the best for her personally and hope she's able to become something that attracts the amount of fans she wants.

>>1744353
Sure. If that's what her fans want and what she wants to do, great. More power to her. But she collabs quite a bit, and it's not just her fans she has to consider during those times.

>>1744316
Great job proving my point you sperg.

What proof do we have that she lurks here?

>>1744093
If no one else in EN can meet her energy, that's not Kiara's problem. I don't know why they all have to get a pass for it while she's the one that has to work to change. It's not like Kiara being less loud is going to make Mori or Gura less shy on collabs with other people. You're telling me four adult women don't know how to handle a single extrovert? They're not in high-school.

>>1744464
Nothing concrete but the criticism shes talking about is not coming from her fans on youtube or twitter generally.

>>1744401
How is just being a bit more quiet and letting her collab partners speak such a radical departure? She could still be her (whatever you want to describe her as here) self but if she just lets others have their time to talk and not step all over their toes she would be doing miles better with her non-kfp. Just to reiterate, this is not asking her to change her personality but to simply.. quiet down during collabs a bit.

>>1744093
>just let there be endless dead air Kiara
>the reason my autistic introvert oshi isn't saying anything has nothing to do with her being an autistic introvert its because of YOU Kiara
Meds now.

>>1744464
Pretty much just the fact that
>we
have never seen these criticisms voiced literally anywhere else. Maybe there's some hidden trove of twitter or youtube comments that nobody finds except for Kiara but the more likely explanation is that she goes here.

>>1744466
They've been streaming for six months. All of them have done collabs that aren't with Kiara. Those streams were successful. Yes, it's exactly how I'm telling you.

>>1744531
>The 'dead air' myth again.

>>1744508
I think her original insecurity from her first week of streaming never really went away (everyone else is more talented than me), and it festered, so she's trying to hog everything she can to, 'survive,' but doesn't realize she already made it. Actually stupid, because she's sabotaging herself and might NOT make it because of that (eventually quitting).

>>1744464
There's no proof. She is weeb enough to learn Japanese and move to Japan, and this is the largest platform of Japanese loving westerners on the Internet. Most people like her end up here.

>>1744626
There won't be proof because no one that lurks or posts here is stupid enough to dox themselves. Maybe.

>>1744492
>>1744541
Thanks just wanted to make sure there weren't any old tweets I needed to delete :)

>I'm gonna shit those pants real good

>>1744466
>Is she out of touch?
>No, it's literally everyone else who is wrong
Sure thing, mate

>>1744613
The human brain is fucked up. Kiara speaks three languages fluently (including an extremely complicated language like Japanese) and thinks she doesnt stack up

>>1744466
Not only have the other done collabs before that were much more successful with more subdued partners but Ame has been collabing with Ollie, who is incredibly full of energy and extroverted and the stream was not only more successful but more people came out of it LIKING Ollie than hating her. "High Energy" and "Super Extrovert" obviously isn't a valid excuse.

>>1744573
What myth? Most of the ENs are very shy in larger collabs.
Kiara never stopped anyone from saying anything, they just didn't have as much to say as her.

>>1741963
>Implying that it's doing any harm whatsoever to Kiara herself
Nah, it only hurts KFP so it's all good

>>1744464
She's constantly egosearching herself and lurking Reddit, the other girls have mentioned how she's the one always sharing memes and news.

Of course she's here.

>>1744716
(You)

>>1744466
>If no one else in EN can meet her energy, that's not Kiara's problem
They cam, actually. It's just very unpleasant when they do because that by definition means they are all talking over each other and you can't hear shit. For an example of this watch the recent Don't Starve collab. It was fucking chaos.

>>1744544
>>1744710
And Kiara has done more collabs than any of them. And they were just as successful if not more, given that Kiara started way earlier than any of them. And yet SOMEHOW this is only a problem with her genmates. Not even a problem with one of them in particular, since she regularly does two person collabs with them as well, but them as group. Somehow Rushia, Nene, Marine, Fubuki, Pekora, Subaru, Watame and many more have no problem, none of them have this problem.

>>1744759
Nigger.

>>1744763
If she started being rude to JP, then she'd find herself cornered by corporate with the quickness.

>>1744783
Kikeniggerfaggot.
Your move, hotshot.

>>1744716
If that is and was TRULY the case then she should be approaching this challenge from a totally different angle than the current one because it's just not working. Talk to the girls before the collab, have some literal conversation cards, ask questions and then shut up, and those are just things some retard with nothing better to do came up with in 30 seconds. She could do way better.

>>1742088
>people decided to support the orange woman
If only KFP, if only. Your reputation detiororates by the day, and you really only have yourself to blame. Stop being bait hungry faggots and the "hatred" will end. Or better yet, just go back to r*ddit?

>>1744760
>For an example of this watch the recent Don't Starve collab. It was fucking chaos.
Just remembering it is painful.

>>1744763
She's not as rude in Japanese as she is in English. She doesn't even speak in the same grating tone.

If she stops collabs she will fall to obscurity. Her choice in games are overall very niche. She has to do what she is best which is those collabs. She just needs to fix her mic and adjust her approach in collabs. It's very tiring to see haters but you have to filter the bad from the good. She can ask her manager to check so that she doesn't have to read all of the bad comments but just tuning out stuff is plane immature.

>>1744862
Yeah, well that's what happens when you get five people acting like Kiara.

>>1744873
Can you imagine a polite and well-spoken Kiara in English? That'd be entertaining as fuck (maybe even hot). Will it happen? Maybe, but probably not.

>>1744794
>>1744873
She's the exact same. She laughed at Nene in her face. Her first JP collab consisted of her Subaru being as loud as they could be together.

>>1744839
But why should she, the collab was perfectly fine.
I kinda cringed at Mori at points but her cringe is part of her appeal so it's all good.
Only unhinged autists were mad about it, the kind of braindead idolfaggots who pop a bloodvessel because the anime girl made poop jokes.

>we got HALF AN HOUR of the most cursed shit to ever happen in EN (so we were able to suffer the brunt of it, unlike some other cursed JP events)
>we only got 3 minutes of sheriff Calli
Fuck uno, i'm never playing that shit again, I hope they get KyoAni'd.

>>1744873
I know. That's what i have been saying. She's clearly trying to project some sort of image of what a Dumb blonde Karen in a reality tv show.

>>1744942
That's why Nene hacked her, out of revenge

>>1744942
She way LESS rude, and the times she WAS she got blasted for it, then, too. I mean, do you not see the pattern yet?

>>1744873
Lol you clearly don't speak japanese if you think that.

>>1744942
>She laughed at Nene in her face.
I'm glad I haven't seen that because the thought of it gives me physical pain.

>>1744962
Yeah, I 100% don't get it. Her character even has an "out" for it, if she just "remembers" past lives, she could literally rewrite her character profile to have any personality she wanted. It's not like she's trapped with this dead-end screech-machine.

>>1744942
She isn't. She's not cursing every five seconds. She's loud but she's not rude. She's pretty much a genki

>>1744990
Nene fucking thought iCarly and Hannah Montana were romantic movies that adults watch. If you don't laugh at someone's face for that you probably have brain damage.

>>1744951
That's quite literally not the case, if this whole thread and her reaction wasn't a big enough clue for you. There have been multiple very level headed criticisms about why people don't like her in collabs here, most of them stemming from her very repeated behavior of shouting over her collab partners.

>>1738654
I want her to turn off her chicken voice when singing for once

>>1744968
The only pattern I see is that every week there's something new that you people bitch about regarding her.

>>1745064
It's the same complain every single day, until you learn it. STOP BEING RUDE TO YOUR GENMATES.

>>1745027
Oh, that. Yeah that was fucking hilarious.

>>1745086
She wasn't, stop being mad on other people's behalf you deranged autistic.

>>1745027
>>1745088
Oh is that what youre talking about? I laughed when I watched that too. Cmon its hilarious, its not something youd expect at all.

>>1743883
fucking kek

>>1745111
>other people's
Wrong. I don't watch collabs simply to only watch Kiara. It's not hard to figure out. I'm the one pissed.

>>1744763
Right, so under your own admission she has a problem collabing with her genmates. This is a big enough issue that it gets brought up and causes her strife almost every time she collabs. And your solution is just to not have her work on it and blame everyone else?

>>1745111
I can't watch the vtubers I like if I can't fucking hear them Kiara.

>>1745086
Her genmates probably don't care but the viewers do. The fans of those genmates do. They are the reason why they even bothered to watch your channel. Learn the meaning of give and take. Have some conversation starters before you resort to toilet jokes. Fix your mic.

>Polite and soft-spoken maid Kiara next week.
>The next week after we get goth Domme Kiara.
Instant 35k viewership, and Kiara is fixed.

>>1745194
Yup. People watch Kiara to get the Kiara experience. That's fine. Have fun. People don't watch collabs to get the "Kiara-shouted-over-everyone" experience.

>>1738472
I would love Kiara to join Mori, Ollie and Ayame in the uh oh stinky realm, but antiposting would take over and those precious threads would be lost.

>>1745111
If you're watching something because the character you like is on the show but another character, on the same show, continues to berate them and talk over them consistently you're going to be angry. Not because you're fictional friend is getting their feelings hurt (which they probably aren't) but you're mad someone is getting in the way of you enjoying your fictional friend. This is really not a hard concept to drill into your thick head.

>>1745200
>goth Domme Kiara

>>1743883
>offending people
She's not offending people at all.
in fact, Kiara's roommate shouldn't be taking pro-BLM propaganda pics

>>1745200
If her mic is still shoved up her nose i still won't watch her. I hate it.

>mention goth Domme Kiara
>thread comes to a halt

>>1745171
>And your solution is just to not have her work on it and blame everyone else?
No, it's something they have to solve as a group. Blaming Kiara alone isn't going to solve it. That's getting rid of the symptom and not the illness.

>>1745257
You've probably never hung out in a group of friends before, but when 5 friends hang out and play games, there naturally occurs some talking over eachother and some people will talk more than others.
I'd much rather have a collab be something natural where everyone's having fun and talking as much as they want instead of acting like it's a somber political debate where everyone gets their allotted time slots to speak, all while making sure to not make any jokes that might upset thinskinned idoltrannies like you.
Just avoid collabs if you can't handle them acting like people there.

>>1745365
>your oshi will never tease you about how you have your dick out and you're jacking off to her

>>1745365
give me another minute and I'll be finished with my 'tasks'

>>1745401
Kiara's behavior during the EN collabs is not natural. She acts different during other collabs, and in solo streams.

>>1745401
I don't mind collabs with literally any other holo member. Collabs are not the issue.

>>1745401
There's a big difference between people talking over each other once and awhile and someone consistently talking over someone and making a bit enough of a scene that multiple onlookers take notice. You're taking this to extremes because someone has said something mean about your favorite idol. I already avoid the collabs but when you see multiple threads like this and all the saviorfags angry at everyone for not liking their precious bird eventually you're going to want to talk about it.

>>1744466
>>1744531
>muh high energy
>muh dead air
Ollie's ADHD zoomber levels outclass Kiara and she's not hated at all, weird. Maybe because she's not constantly talking over people and redirecting the subject to herself.

>>1745399
Well then, they should get to it instead of having this repeat fucking problem every big collab. Doesn't make people like kiara anymore when there's nothing but posts about her depressed/pity seeking (whichever narrative you'd prefer) attitude and then a bunch of saviors defending her all week.

>>1745583
You've been pitting this rivalry literally since Ollie debuted.

>>1745546
You can see how people act in big jp collabs. When someone is talking, they immediately shut up. If they are arguing like in among us, you can see one person will ask permission to talk by saying matte matte stop stop over and over until they have the floor. Ofc there are moments some do talk over by they are few and that is when everyone is laughing at someone or congratulating someone. There is a reason why the 2nd holoen among us with jp/id was a mess. Noone was directing it.

>>1745583
You have a mental disease.

>>1745657
There is no rivalry, and there is no comparison. The problem with Kiara is not her energy or loudness (for most). We'll keep repeating it until you learn it.

>>1745672
EN collabs need Robert's Rules of Order, lmao.

>>1745710
>The problem with Kiara is not her energy or loudness
But I agree?

>>1745657
While Ollie is loud. Her loudness is more towards reactions to stimuli. Kiara is just loud. Her volume is always waaayy louder than others because her mic is always peaked higher than others. It's annoying.

>>1745710
Did you reply to the wrong anon?
>>1745583
Also Kiara is always praising Ollie and Ollie has praised Kiara in the past.
>>1745772
Probably has to do with her settings. She has been relying on Ame's settings for the longest times since can't figure out how to adjust it.

I would advice Kiara to just watch her collabs herself. Take a day off watch your own collabs with all the criticism in mind and you should see exactly what is wrong with them.

>>1745741
Just look at her recent collab with Subaru. Every time Kiara grunts Subaru immediately refocuses on her even if she was talking and then asks what's up with Kiara. Kiara looked at times uninterested in what Subaru is saying because of this. It breaks the flow.

>>1745812
>She has been relying on Ame's settings for the longest times since can't figure out how to adjust it.
That would explain a fucking lot because Ame is waaaaayy more soft spoken.

>>1745831
She also needs to approach this in a mature way. Her mentality of just simply never doing something because someone said something negative is what a 10 yr old would say. She needs to understand the criticism for what it is and act accordingly.

>>1745651
She wouldn't get depressed if she didn't think she was the source of the problem in this case. Like I said, Kiara can change a lot, but unless the others recognize something is happening it might as well not have changed. Maybe they will, maybe her toning herself down will lead to them being more comfortable and bringing more of themselves in response to her, but it's impossible to tell if it's going to happen.

Like for example I don't understand why people don't give Mori shit for letting Kiara talk over her. Mori can easily be loud and wants to project an aura of confidence, yet she has rarely ever been comfortable enough for it to come through with Kiara, despite how close they are. If I brought this up in a vacuum I can guarantee you people would have a problem with it, yet this kind of thing is par for the course when it comes to Kiara.

>>1745869
Ame's voice has a very good whispery quality to it. She can do audiobook. It's like making Subaru use Choco's settings. Very awful setting for Kiara.

>>1745869
Ironically, KFP was praising her when her settings got messed up since she sounded way better (I think it was around the time she moved).
She "fixed" her settings and it became loud as fuck again.

>>1745899
>Mori can easily be loud and wants to project an aura of confidence, yet she has rarely ever been comfortable enough for it to come through with Kiara
I'd assume it's because she's a nice person and doesn't want to interrupt her friend.

>>1745956
I agree, she has a very soothing voice.

>>1745672
>There is a reason why the 2nd holoen among us with jp/id was a mess. Noone was directing it.
No one in holoEN really fills the leader role.

You know who I hate more than Kiara? Management. They enable her shitty behaviour by gatekeeping the ENs from doing things they and we want.

>>1745899
Mori is a teacher. She's used to talking to children. Everyone knows this. So her letting other people talk more comes off as Mori being Mori. She's already being viewed as the Dad given how nurturing she can be

>>1746003
>I'd assume it's because she's a nice person and doesn't want to interrupt her friend.
Then she shouldn't assume others can't take her being rougher.

>>1746035
I mean sure that's probably true to some extent but I still enjoy the other four's content regardless.

>>1744466
The problem isn't just the energy, it's the VOLUME. She's naturally loud, which means she ends up almost screaming over the others. If they spent a couple of minutes at the start doing a soundcheck and adjusting the volumes, the problem would probably sort itself out, because it means the quieter members (AKA everyone not named Kiara) might actually get a word in.

>>1746035
I wouldn't be surprised if they thought that this is normal western behavior

>>1745899
It's certainly going to be impossible if it's never tried, that's for sure. For the other issue I think's a twofold issue. One, is this has been a reoccurring issue with Kiara, one that people have seen since almost the start of EN. Generally, trying to criticize her is met with backlash, mostly from her dedicated fans and those people can be pretty bonkers. Because of this repeat behavior she has a bad track record and has burnt a lot of good will on here, which I still don't understand why she really cares about what the fuck we post on /vt/ but it's obvious it influences her. And generally, if someone is getting pushed (using pushed for when you mentioned Kiara talking over Mori) around you're going to look at the one doing the pushing with more scorn than the pushed. Especially if the pushed happens to be a women, fictional or not.

>>1746099
I dont get why they dont seem to do any soundcheck before starting collabs

>>1746071
You can try blaming the person that gets interrupted for letting other people interrupt them all you want but no well adjusted person is going to agree with you.

>>1746143
They do but again since we are talking about Kiara, her mic setting is just peaked high. You can actually hear her slurping as if it's beside your ear. It's disgusting.

>>1746116
Her paypigs criticize her, it's just that she doesn't take it seriously.
I'm not sure what prompted her to actually start taking the criticism seriously this time.

>>1746054
Deadbeat that I am, I would make a joke about her not having friends, but I wasn't asking for her background, but saying it's something she has to work on.

>>1746170
Exactly. You can't fault a person for being polite and letting someone talk. You can't also expect Mori to suddenly just chastise Kiara for always butting while streaming. Their managers should be the one informing her of this. It's just how it is. This is work stuff.

>>1746189
>I'm not sure what prompted her to actually start taking the criticism seriously this time.
Probably because the post about her wanting to shit her pants hit #1 on reddit's /r/hololive where management and her JP senpais are all moderators.

>>1746170
Letting others walk over you isn't being well-adjusted. It's particularly bad if you're talking about an entertainer. And specially so when you're talking about people that have been together for half a year and will work together for the foreseeable future.

>>1742213
Begging for pity is fine, but at least do in a members stream, she knows full well how much antis she has, why feed them more materials

t.Kiara hater

>>1746197
You have to understand that they are co-workers. Even if shall we say she does comment on it, how do you think Kiara's antis will react? There is a whole dimension here that can't be seen. Besides, it's a collab. There has to be some discretion that Kiara will eventually let her have a say. If Kiara can't or won't it's really not going to look bad on Mori though. It will look bad on Kiara because she didn't think of her collab partner

>>1746265
Forgot about that. Reddit thinking she has a scat fetish probably got to her.
During the minecraft stream today she couldn't understand why people don't like when people bring up poop. Are Germans just so used to poop or is this an issue with her?

>>1746332
There is a stigma that Germans are into scat porn, yes. They make a lot of scat porn.

>>1746332
I didn't care for her joke. It's just how people like to sensationalize a 10sec moment. My gripe on that collab was ber mic settings and her reading the sc right after the collab.

>>1746189
Probably one of her genmates said "hey Kiara, maybe don't do that ever again".

>>1740089
She started crying and said she ruined the UNO stream with her baby shit, and thinks it's going to be harder to do collabs with JP because of how embarrassing she was during that stream.

>>1746330
If she comments on it then they should have the backbone and their friendship should be solid enough so that they can laugh about it. And not in the "it's not a problem" sort of way, but in the way that shows they're comfortable enough to talk about their issues and move on with fixing them.

People here tend to make everything into a bigger drama than it really is.

>>1745401
If someone behaved like Kiara does in collabs in my irl friend group, they would either have been ostracised real quick, or had a brick in their teeth. You have to be *stupid* levels of autistic or self absorbed to not realise other people want to talk. Shitbird acts like she would die if 3s go by with no dialogue.

Actually, does she get paid by the word? Would explain a lot, now that I think about it.

>>1744069
Why the hell is she visiting this place when she can get positive response from Reddit?
>b-but hugbox
Yes, yes, but for the sake of your mental health Kiara, stop visiting here and stay on Reddit. This is not even an insult, it's for your own good.

>>1744150
I agreed, but thats a subjective matter. If thats the demographic ahe wants to pander to then its up yo her. Her talking over her genmates is a objective matter

>>1746473
It's actually 100% salvageable. Kiara's MC stream actually had MORE people than average. She just needs to change her behavior with her ENmates, that's literally it.

>>1746473
I mean she's probably not wrong. Talking about wanting to shit you pants is about as low as you can go on the seiso scale without saying things that will get your contract terminated.

>>1746575
She knows how much of a hugbox KFP can be.
She stated before she doesn't really trust people who only say positive things about them or something.

If she really is here then I just want to say I love you Kiara! Please be my wife!

>>1746575
She's said before that even the antis sometimes have legit points. And also, since the numberfag is insecure as fuck about being the least popular, she probably reads the anti comments to find out why.

That being said she's aware it's not good for her mental health, she even said the stopped doing it because of that like a week ago (probably why her streams go so fucking unhinged since she was no longer seeing negative feedback).
I'm guessing something sucked her back in, like she read a few comments on Youtube or reddit and then decided to see what the "bad place" is saying.

>>1746665
>Please be my wife!
Are you willing to eat my shit?

>>1746522
Mori is very forgiving. I can already tell what's she gonna say. She probably didn't mind that Kiara was talking a lot. I sometimes think she just doesn't care and just goes with whatever.

>>1746695
I do wonder if a genmate said something to her. The Dont Starve collab was a disaster i could see some tension from that

>>1746716
we can work on fixing your scat fetish together, Tenchou!

>>1746764
The only thing Mori really cared about during the collab was making sure she got the cowboy punishment.
Funnily enough this made the round go on for much longer than it needed to.

>>1746695
Then she should take the advice the Antis keep giving her and just shut up for a moment and let the collab breathe. It's going to be MORE ok if the collab is a little bit awkward than if its going to be another example of her obnoxious behavior. The Collab is still going to do a giant amount of numbers AND Kiara won't be getting the 'hate' that she seems to stress and beat herself up over.

>>1746898
Unfortunately she has a problem where she physically can't stand silence. She has talked about it multiple times on stream before.

Been out for a few days but there's a lot less Kiara threads than usual. Did the schizo get bored or what?

>>1747025
there was a ban wave

>>1746936
Sounds like she has some homework to do because fixing this would fix most of her problems she has with her antis, at least from /vt/.

>>1747088
Couldn't they just ban evade like they were doing before?

>>1747111
He's probably asleep.

>>1747025
Maybe Kiara got tired of posting them.

>The one thing I was even more confused about is you guys getting so triggered by the baby thing. I know it went on way too long, but what is your problem with me being a baby? It's just having fun. You guys got so triggered by that, I must say I was pretty sad. Cause I was just having fun and then I read that everyone was so annoyed by it and I'm like "okay... okay..." I was just having fun, I was just doing my punishment game.
>"It was really bad Tenchou" Okay Folklore, if you say so.

Sorry, this is too much. I'm ragequitting. She legit can't even comprehend why her behavior was a problem and if she changes anything it's just to curb hate and not because she actually realized she was doing something bad. And this fucking passive-aggressiveness. Fuck off.

>>1747600
HE'S BREAKING THE CONDITIONING

>>1747600
She did nothing wrong, wasted digits.

>>1744355
Based self aware autist. Kiara is just your basic self absorbed woman. She's nothing especially bad when you consider western women in general, she just has the bad luck of being compared to Japanese women who are extremely aware of social norms where Kiara thinks she can get away with acting she's on a trip with the girls.

What I don't understand is how she's managed to live in Japan for years while being so abrasive.

>>1743883
>I've been not feeling so well these past few days. Not sure how I feel about things
She's still working herself into a froth over negative comments despite the fact she has a thousand people licking her toejam over how great she is every day. Implosion coming soon. If she can't handle 1% of negative comments and doesn't "feel well" because of them she's going to collapse.

>>1747801
Funny enough, she's well aware of how Japan's social hierarchy bullshit works and conforms to it.
We got a peek at it when she talked about Miko coming onto Holotalk and how she uses respectful keigo when they interact on discord. She also said that she drops the keigo/super respectfulness just for streams.
She has pretty much admitted that she has no filter when she talks in English.

>>1738748
This. Kiara is easily the most assertive holo, essentially the anti-Aqua, she is a go-getter that strives to succeed and because of ger force of personality she gets shit done regardless of what others think.
We love you Tenchou!

>>1747801
>I don't understand is how she's managed to live in Japan for years while being so abrasive.
Anonchama your JAV reps...

>>1747600
Based

>>1747898
>Make it into one of the most competitive vtuber scenes
>Have hundreds of thousands of subscribers, legions of cultish fans
>Get money thrown at you from all sides
>Ignore these blessings to get mad at criticism and be butthurt other people have bigger numbers than you
VERY SAD, MANY SUCH CASES

>>1747600
Some people need to have some hard life lessons to learn and grow. She isn't getting all this hate by accident

>>1738856
1. Loud and annoying
2. Overpowers everyone in a collab
3. Does probably the most collabs (see 2 as to why this is a negative)
4. Constantly intrudes on other holos content, chats, and streams even when not collabing. Like when pekora had her mom on as an example.
5. Numberfagging. Its rude to the holos who are below her. Turning it into a competition is a really shitty thing to do.
6. Always using the chicken voice, even while singing. I know a LOT of JPs use fake voices, but the other ENs pretty much just use their real voice for their characters.
7. Emotional instability. No other holo consistently breaks down crying on stream. She has a meltdown over even the smallest things. This instability basically extends to all friendships she has within the company. She is overly attached to Mori, Pekora, and a few others.
8. Because of the reasons above, she constantly gets herself into situations where she comes off as rude or bitchy. One recent example was the Uno collab where it was exclusive to her channel and she did a 2 hour super reading afterwards, holding the VOD hostage.
9. Her fanbase is easily the most fucking annoying. As well, they ALWAYS fall for bait, so people have fun fucking with them.

>>1738748
>>1747955
Based. At the end of the day, with all of her insecurities and her fuck ups, this bird always pulls through. Even if she doesn't believe in herself, I believe in her.

>>1737821
Kiara if you’re reading this, know that I’d love to cuddle with you whilst listening to German fairy tails in your cute accent. I wouldn’t understand all of it, but it would still make me smile. After COVID-19 is gone, I’d like to visit Wien once again and have a little tour with you whenever you’re free.

>>1748135
What's sad is that the simps don't even realize women like Kiara don't give a fuck about them. Kiara doesn't focus on the positive comments because shes instinctively contemptuous towards submissive betas who try to play saviorfag. They don't matter to her. The 1% of negative comments do though because they're potential alphas, high quality men who are rejecting her so she has to make do with her ocean of genetic trash. KFP don't deserve it but it's the future they asked for.

>>1748390
Hans please...

>>1748390
Tales*

>>1748436
This is the case with every single vtuber.

>>1748390
I don't get it, what's the punchline?

>>1748327
>6. Always using the chicken voice, even while singing. I know a LOT of JPs use fake voices, but the other ENs pretty much just use their real voice for their characters.
Literally only Mori uses her real voice and even she puts on a bit of a different inflection.

>>1748390
>tfw live near Kiara
>will never be able to go out with her anyway
It hurts bros.
I'd totally play it cool too like i barely know what vtubing is, i think she'd prefer that.

>>1748507
Other vtubers appear to foster more positive communities due to having better core personalities.

>>1748667
>identifying yourself as a girl on 4chan

>>1746332
Mozart was into scat

>>1748613
All of the ENs do their normal voice with a slight inflection. Gura does do a higher inflection, but its not nearly as bad as Kiara.
The main point being that the chicken voice is grading and annoying. Even the KFP want her to drop it

>>1748390
trucker hands typed this post

She's just too chad, the introverts cant keep up.

>>1748863
I'm not a girl...

>>1749090
You're lacking critical information.

>>1749170
Ehhhh? What do you mean?

>>1746524
You and your friends sound like autistic psychopaths

>>1749076
but kiara is not actually an extrovert dummy

>>1748447
>Hans
>saying something nice about Kiara
Good joke, tell another one.

>>1738340
I'm glad she listened by not doing superchat reading in the same video as the collab. Better late than never.

Also she doesn't seem to get why the baby voice thing is bad, so I'll say it just legitimately sounds unpleasant. The baby voice she did, or however she acted it really is hard to listen to for long periods. If she had spaced it out that would be one thing, but it was non-stop. This is one of those things where you have to record it beforehand and listen to for yourself to understand and improve, though the punishment games might have been improv. In anycase i hope she knows to not combine that voice with nonstop talking. I did not enjoy having to mute the stream, but it was just hard to listen to.

Also if Kiara does legitimately lurk here, she's going to need to grow very thick skin,because being anti kiara is pretty much board culture at this point, KFP aside.

>>1747952
Well then she better develop a filter. Just because English is more forgiving than Japanese doesn't mean it forgives everything, especially when you're talking about Japanese entertainment.

Also I hear she is using a fake voice for singing and her actual singing is much better?

I only question why then. She should stop using her 'chicken' voice and use her real voice if it is much better. Don't debuff your singing if you can help it.

>>1748327
>. Emotional instability. No other holo consistently breaks down crying on stream.


Watame....

But she isn't emotionally unstable, just a crybaby. and emotionally empathetic.

I suppose it depends what kiara cries about vs watame.

>>1749712
I'm not an avid watame watcher, but it seems all of her tears are tears of joy.
Kiara's crying is from frustration, depression, and insecurity. None of the other holos really cry like that. The one instance where a JP holo cried like that is when Aqua lost the mario kart tourney. And god knows that /vt/ and /jp/ called her out on that. as a sidenote, I do think that aqua crying at mario kart was selfish. However Aqua is a lot less socially aware than kiara.

>>1750162
>However Aqua is a lot less socially aware than kiara
I really doubt that. If anything Aqua seems more socially aware that she's an autist than Kiara does.

>>1750196
Aqua is incredibly socially aware, she knows exactly what she's doing wrong at every single instant of her existence and it frightens her into nonaction. It's text book type I comyushou.

>>1748299
As a former victim of bullying, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Because it will happen whether I want it to or not. It is a necessity of society. Not actual murder, rape, or extreme bullying, but your stereotypical American bully who goes home to a messed up family.
They are an important hurdle for all 'unique' men to cross. If your intelligence leads you to being autistic or an asshole you need to either wise up or become more autistic/stronger. Either the path you're on can overcome such people or you need to get off it, if one jackass can stop you completely.
I don't know Kiara's past or how girl's bully each other, and some bullying obviously falls on the extreme and unwarranted side, but my bully ended up making me a better person. From my understanding she still resents her former peers -- on the other hand I surpassed my bully by standing up for myself and eventually receiving a meek olive branch from him, one I accepted with the maturity to understand his situation and his own character development.

Maturity is understanding you're not perfect and everybody else has their own imperfections as well as beneficial qualities. When you can see this even in people you're against you gain a shit ton. A bad man is the teacher of a good man.

And yes, I'm well aware how autistic this all sounds. I'm aware of most of the negative qualities that can be ascribed to both the content and poster of this. Again, maturity is knowing your own imperfection and becoming aware of it so that you may respond in a better manner than in ignorance.

>>1751049
As someone who was bullied so much that he tried to kill himself twice, Kiara absolutely deserve the criticism.
And the fact she blames everything else is fucking shitty as fuck
She needs to take the fucking criticism and learn from it. And KFP faggots being a fucking echo chamber for her is not helping

Chicken hate is a forced meme.

Honestly the entire situation is embarrassing for Hololive. No other talent airs their dirty laundry like this.

I want to hold Kirara's hand

>>1752255
Yeah, they make it membership only.

>>1752702
Most don't even do that much.

>>1748667
Break in while she's live

>>1751994
There is no point in her listening to your criticism because you still would not watch her even if she did everything you wanted.

>>1753357
Everyone criticizing her ITT are mentioning specific events in the streams. Yes, we're watching.

>>1753357
That's such a childish outlook on criticism.
If she fixed the things I mentioned I would give her another try, but there is no guarantee if I will like her. I just mentioned the things that will make her not annoying to watch. Being likable is a whole other challenge.

>>1738748
The hatefuck part is 100% based

Honestly, because of Kiara, the entirety of EN should be a little worried. The criticism-cat is out of the bag, so-to-speak.

>>1748436
>anti comments are alpha men
Is this what you tell yourself?

>>1743883
>some people don't have humour honestly
She still thinks poop jokes are funny. Fucking retard.

>>1738692
This is a pasta I haven't seen in a while

>>1751049
then stop referring to yourself as a victim.
fucking pussy

>>1753808
>If she fixed the things I mentioned I would give her another try
Lol. I hope you never try to find a job in sales or marketing.

>>1754494
ESL, seek help.

>>1743883
>I don't know if it's cultural difference
Are jokes about shitting a part of German culture?

>>1754706
Yup. Apparently.

>>1754706
Unironically yes.
t. german

>>1754965
it is 6 am in germany right now mate.

>>1755017
Gotta watch that Mori stream my dude

>>1755037
wach geblieben oder extra aufgestanden?

>>1755037
Based as fuck.

>>1753808
dude
do you not understand how actual antis work? i will give an example. lets IMAGINE she really does everything her antis say and tries to change herself and becoming exactly what they want. they would keep on trying to change her more and more

>youre to loud
>pls change your voice/use a voice changer
>swear less
>no poop
>be more introvert
>be quiet during collabs
>stop singing
>stream for my timezone
and once she does all that, they will try more:
>i dont like the hair color of your roommate, fix that
>pls adopt my religion
>adopt my ideology
>pls live in X country

aaand so on.

>>1755351
actual retard
just because you can't achieve perfection doesn't mean your critics are worthless or grasping at straws.

yes, a few critics while you are wildly successful aren't a major concern. but when you're kiara, someone ALWAYS having emotional outbursts, getting flak and drama? yeah, you can take your critics as a major learning experience. especially since so many other fucking idols have started out rocky but become loved over time as they improved.

she hasn't got where she is by listening too much you dolt

>>1755480
you dont get it. if she was that worthless she wouldnt be where she is right now.

she is soon at 900k subs, has a huge fanbase, is one of the top 10 world wide youtube streamers. do you know how she got there? by doing exactly what she did.
which means that whatever she is doing, is way way way better and was the right thing to do.
if she wants to stay there, she should change NOTHING. never change a running system. old but true meme.

if she wants to become bigger though, then yeah, she needs to change some things.
but its important to listen to her actual fans. people she knows, who watch every stream and talk with her. not some random schizos from internet boards.
there really isnt much she needs to change though. its mostly the constant talking in collabs because she said it feels awkward when there is silence. which is true, but talking every 3-5 sec is too much. sometimes 20-30 sec of silence is okay. more than that and it truly becomes awkward.

>>1738692
>But in all seriousness we can't let this girl get the JP collabs

But she's the only EN who speaks strong Japanese, having lived there the longest. Only natural she gets the most JP collabs.

>>1755707
>>1755351
>she is soon at 900k subs, has a huge fanbase. do you know how she got there?
Hololive boost. English speaking hololive member boost. Collab boost.
That's why she is so popular. She is in 4th place in EN subs wise, and Ina is only behind by 1k. Her solo streams get less viewers than any of the other girls.

>is one of the top 10 world wide youtube streamers
Stop with this cherrypicked metric. She managed to place 10th or so on the superchat leaderboard for this month only. Its because she had a shit ton of events including moving stream, multiple karaokes, hosted a lot of collabs, and exclusively hosted an EN collab. She baits superchats by fake crying and attracting saviorfaggots.
Superchat metrics do NOT indicate quality. Nor do they indicate audience size. The only thing they indicate is the amount of money the streamer can suck out of the viewers. If SC was the golden metric, then Rushia would be the best streamer in hololive.

>never change a running system
Clearly its running off a cliff. Its getting to the point where actual KFP and youtube commenters had to give her criticism (look at uno stream comments). Soon even the hugboxes like reddit and twitter are gonna start noticing.

But honestly I wouldn't care about Kiara if she didn't shit up collabs with other holos. I'm not a fan of Mori, but at least she stays within her own streams and when she does have a collab it is fun and respectful. No other holo has this collab problem where they do a majority of the talking. Not even Ollie, whose entire personality is energetic and talkative.

>>1756185

Not the only, but both Calli and Ina have second jobs AND chicken is also extroverted enough to ask for collabs. Many holos aren't.

Hell, Calli is on Japan right now. But look at Watame, she wanted a collab with Calli, but felt shy of asking so Kiara had to tell her that is cool, is no problem, both Calli and Ina can handle it.

>>1738856
Hate for her started early the original Hololive general, this translated no problems to the global general and eventually became thread culture. The banishment period of Sharkmeido didnt help.

>>1756328
>Hololive boost. English speaking hololive member boost. Collab boost. That's why she is so popular

...soo she did everything right? good.
>Stop with this cherrypicked metric. She managed to place 10th or so on the superchat leaderboard for this month only
the stats for this month arent even out yet. but thats the thing. even IF she was "only" 10th place world wide, hell, even IF she was only 100th place, it still means she is super succesful and does way way more things right than wrong.
>She baits superchats by fake crying and attracting saviorfaggots.
....so she did everything right? good

>Clearly its running off a cliff
its actually growing

>Its getting to the point where actual KFP and youtube commenters had to give her criticism (look at uno stream comments).
you mean that video with 50k likes and couple hundred dislikes, so a ratio of like " 98-99% liked this and 1-2% are unhappy"? yeah. so you found 1 comment of a guy who was mad at the baby voice. if you can show me that the MAJORITY of comments are saying that, then sure maybe i will take you seriously.

>But honestly I wouldn't care about Kiara if she didn't shit up collabs with other holos.
again: judging by the numbers, the likes, dislikes and SC /views she doesnt fuck them up at all. its a succes.

i agree that the constant talking is annoying for me too. BUT WHO AM I? compared to the stats im obviously irrelevant and im wrong.

>>1756585
>...soo she did everything right? good.
Completely missed the point of my post. The only thing she did to earn a majority of her subs was applying to hololive, speaking english, and then leeching as many collabs as she could.

>it still means she is super succesful and does way way more things right than wrong
A holo could upload only reaction videos to paint drying and they would still get in the top 100 SC leaderboard.

>....so she did everything right? good
So you want hololive to just devolve into the girls begging for money for 5 hours? Like, when did it become the norm to judge holos by their SC numbers rather than actual quality of stream???

>its actually growing
Every single holo is growing. She is growing just as fast as the other EN streamers.

>you mean that video with 50k likes and couple hundred dislikes, so a ratio of like " 98-99% liked this and 1-2% are unhappy
>judging by the numbers, the likes, dislikes and SC /views
Youtube is a hugbox for holos. A holo would have to commit genocide live on stream to get anyone to even consider hitting the dislike button on a video. I'm here complaining about the uno stream, and I haven't even disliked it. Also it wasn't just one comment, it was a lot. Enough for her to acknowledge it and not do a superchat stream for the watame collab

I'm done talking to you because you write like a retard and use retarded arguments. Either you are 15 years old or you are from some shitty third world country.

>>1756585
>BUT WHO AM I? compared to the stats im obviously irrelevant and im wrong.
Fucking hell could you be any more of a beta bugman? "Who cares what I can see with my own eyes, trust the experts!"

>>1756585
What many retards here don't understand is that this is a business and entertainment.

If your fanbase is mostly pedo coomers, then be a loli
If your fanbase is mostly chill introvert autists, then be a chill introvert autist
If your fanbase is into ASMR, then do ASMR
If your fanbase are saviorfags, then cry
It's really not that hard to understand. In that regard Kiara does everything correct. She does what her Fans want. She gives them the content they crave for. She is one of the best "playing the game". She understands the business.

I wouldn't be surprised if the last stream was just 4D chess to figure out what exactly the majority of her fanbase wants. And by thel ooks of it, they don't want her to change anything at all.

>>1756900
but thats the thing dude. IAM looking at the stats with my own eyes. and these stats tell me she is super succesful. your opinion doesnt matter at all.

>>1756868
so you literally proofed my point with almost everything you said.

tl;dr: she got where she is now by being herself and doing exactly what she did. making almost 500k dollar in 6 months ( 1m yearly) and if she wants it to stay that way she doesnt need to change anything at all.

>>1757162
>and these stats tell me she is super succesful
They tell me she's successful at draining the wallets of a small set of dedicated saviorfags by having bimonthly scheduled breakdowns where she whines about her numbers and haters. Not a sustainable strategy because as the other guy said even KFP are starting to criticize where up to now they've tried to shield her as much as possible.

>>1738719
Context?

>>1757260
>They tell me she's successful at draining the wallets
so she is doing the best for her channel got it
>other guy said even KFP are starting to criticize
and as i have said 98-99% like what she does. the opinions of a small minority dont matter. couldnt care less about one """negative""" comment compared to the 50k+ postive.

>Not a sustainable strategy
yeah making 1 million per year is such a loser thing to do. hopefully she adapts to your wisdom. you clearly know better how to make cash

the absolute state of antis kek
maybe go back to samefagging and dox baiting and pushing your 4 month old rrats. at least you are a little bit more succesful baiting kfp newfags with that.

>>1743883
>tfw kiara read your shitposts
kek get fucked kfp

>>1757260
to be fair, its probably true of every vtuber that a small group of paypigs are responsible for most of their SC money. the 80 20 rule.

>>1744241
>She said before she stopped reading negative stuff
that means she definitely still is

>>1757681
Yep this guy here knows what's up.
If she says she reads negative comments then thats true.
If she says she doesnt then thats a lie.
If she says nothing at all, assume she does.

tl;dr the samefag here is 100% right and all others are wrong.

>>1743883
>will try to swear less

This might do some good, even for her speaking abilities.
Not only does she say 'fuck' way too much but so loudly. I'm reminded of the kind of content where a person doesn't have anything substantial to say but 'fuck' for every other word. I've mostly gotten used to it, but it still occasionally really stands out as inappropriate:
>[all these] fucking superchats
>[too many] god damn superchats
It basically makes her sound ungrateful.
Also the occasional 'fuck' when directly ridiculing/joking about a genmate. I get that she's joking but that can feel like a jab to the recipient.

>>1757579
>quality has no meaning only numbers

>>1753357
Not him, I wouldn't watch even if she changed but it might make new viewers stick around instead of dipping after a few streams.
The point is that if she can improve, it'll be a better experience for everyone but the most hardcore of autists who don't want anything to be touched or changed.

Late to the thread. I'm so fucking happy that the bitch has actually been affected by criticism, especially since it mostly came from her own jannies after the disaster that was the UNO collab. The collab on itself was awesome for the other 3, but it was a total train wreck for Kiara and the KFPs, breeding more hate and antis. Her lack of awareness and pride is only fucking her in the ass even more, and niggers defending and justifying her actions just to be contrarians are only helping her dig her grave even deeper.

A lot of anons have already said it here, but the best argument as to why Kiara is objectively the worst Holo is Ollie. Zoombie is loud as fuck, a complete degenerate full of innuendos, sex jokes, a literal walking yab who communicates in memes, Twitch-speak, and has commited a lot of "sins" that should have probably costed her her career by now. But she's respectful, and humble. She's grateful about her position, her job, and her fans. Whenever she collabs, she uses her energy to compliment her autistic, introverted partner, not overtake them and make them feel uncomfortable. She doesn't need the spotlight to be on her at all times. She doesn't need to deviate the current conversation to tell the viewers a story about her day to day nobody cares about, or beg for views on her content.

The people posting "HOW THE FUCK DO I MUTE KIARA ONLY" during collabs are asking that question unironically. It's has gotten to the point were even the other ENs are having a tough time pretending to care about what she has to say or that they all really like her attitude, or the way she refers to them in front of thousands of viewers.

Kiara your personality is shit.
Your content is shit.
Your fanbase is shit.
And more and more people are noticing. And thats fantastic. Because it will force you to be better or die trying.
Soon, relying on your fanbase won't be enough to keep you afloat because even the jannies are realizing they are supporting a literal piece of shit. Playing the victim card is getting stale too. Please, just stop collabing with the rest of the ENs (especially) and the JPs, and stay enclosed with the mentally challenged fags that want to watch you for whatever reason, and I assure you the hate will go down, at least a bit.

It's too late to go back to a point where everyone is able to accept you for what you are, unfortunately. You will always be the most universally hated Holo, and it's time to accept that fact and move on.

>>1760160
>It's too late to go back to a point where everyone is able to accept you for what you are, unfortunately. You will always be the most universally hated Holo

tl;dr: it doesnt matter what she does, (you) will always hate her. therefore its better she never changes anything and keeps making bank.
gotcha

>>1739022
No, we actually do understand. We just grew out of it early in life. Ever heard of something called a roast? Far more brutal than shit jokes.

>>1738889
Some of us don't count dramafagging and moaning to her chat about how unfair life is while she's getting rich, as 'entertainment'.

>>1738748
This post is almost pudding proof that KFP are nothing more than concernfags that got suckered. Eh more power to the bitch.

>>1738995
>BLACKED
KFP wagies pay for the magnum condoms

>>1760273
KFP is as menhera as the streamer they worship, as to be expected.
>It's too late to go back to a point where everyone is able to accept you for what you are, unfortunately. You will always be the most universally hated Holo, and it's time to accept that fact and move on.
>And more and more people are noticing. And thats fantastic. Because it will force you to be better or die trying.
I can actually see how she gets insecure tards as a fanbase that want to save a poor helpless woman, while she shits on the walls, sinks and then asks 'why do they hate me so?'

>>1743883
>In some way my whole existence is offending people. So I wanna try to offend less people.
Yes, the whole 10 of them. Jesus Christ Kiara. And here I thought you can't be influenced.

>>1744150
>They are the absolute lowest form of comedy
It's still a comedy. Since when did 4chan develop the refined taste for commedy?

>>1763555
She's the least popular for a rason

>>1763830
Not based enough?

>>1743883
Honestly the problem is not just Kiara, its that EN gen 1 has a serious group dynamic issue something they all need to work on and until they do Kiara will be the only who seem at fault.
She takes over collabs, because the rest of the crew has such a weak presences during collabs.