/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://youtubeliveen.soraweb.net/ex/バーチャルYouTuber
>https://mix.live-ranking.com/?keyword=バーチャルYouTuber

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/jwfivCFB

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *
Here it goes

>31,149: Aqua (Hololive)
>27,702: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>21,023: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>18,554: Shion (Hololive)
>17,255: Gura (Hololive)
>16,836: Iroha (Hololive)
>16,331: Mio (Hololive)
>15,968: Baelz (Hololive)
>15,450: Kagami (Nijisanji)
>14,439: Laplus (Hololive)
>14,434: Botan (Hololive)
>13,350: Kanata (Hololive)
>12,196: Chaika (Nijisanji)
>11,955: Lamy (Hololive)
>11,763: Noa (VSPO)
>11,156: Nene (Hololive)
>11,147: Kronii (Hololive)
>10,733: Fubuki (Hololive)

https://www.gematsu.com/2022/01/hololive-virtual-youtuber-minato-aqua-game-announced-for-console
Predictions?

>>17284712
Why wouldn't they? At the very least, it has a nostalgia buff for people who knew or have seen the anime.

>>17285142
>biggest card game in the world
* BLOCKS YOUR PATH *
>nothing personel, kiddo

>>17285216
18k and 17k are top 5 worthy? Jesus Christ, Vtubing really has reclined

>>17284389
>Mori
>Hasn't streamed nearly as much due to the yab
>Is still on par with SUPERCHAT MONSTERS Luxiem
Are Luxiemniggers the most annoying people in this thread? They over exaggerate everything. I was never a fan of numberfagging superchats anyway. Its a dumb metric and is really just a measure of how mentally ill your fanbase is.

For example I could superchat some random 2view 5 million dollars right now and make them the most superchatted vtuber ever. That doesn't really tell us anything about their overall popularity at all though.

Superchats are dumb.

>>17285216

>>17285262

>>17285275

>>17285216
>31,149: Gen 2
>18,554: Gen 2
>17,255: Myth
>16,836: Gen 6
>16,331: Gamers
>15,968: Council
>14,439: Gen 6
>14,434: Gen 5
>13,350: Gen 4
>11,955: Gen 5
>11,156: Gen 5
>11,147: Council
>10,733: Gamers

They forced Gen 3 to take a break, didn't they? Either that or they're cooking something in secret, like voicing a game or rehearsing a show

>>17285275
>Luxiem mogs the shit out of Holos in SC
>SC is dumb
The Holocope is delicious

>>17285222
Aqua must own a lot to her manager

>>17285216
Hololive 13
Nijisanji 5

Slow day but was a Friday, Aqua with a gold with a partial consert but Nijisanji gets a respectable silver and bronze. Hololive is 7 out of the top 10. 7 - 3 happens so often I wonder if it would be the mode of all the top tens from the past 6 months.

>>17285383
cope more nijitranny

>>17285222
>No chink developer
Zhangs can't stop losing
Your precious akutan is no longer a Winnie the Pooh's subordinate

>>17285216
if it wasn't yugioh niji will got clean sweep again

>>17285351
Hololive has a lot of projects going around so it would surprise me. I like to believe stuff is happening with HoloEN too but who knows. Voicing games does seem pretty likely.

>>17285416
shitpost responsibly anon

>>17285439
>ENfags taking the credit for JP successes when it suits them

>>17285481
>he thinks Im an enfag
try harder

>>17285481
Say holo en if you mean holo en. Say hololive if you mean all of hololive.

>>17285466
>expecting HoloEN to actually work more than one project a month
Now now anon..

WTF, what happened here? Multiple illegal view funnels?

>>17285222
Its a Visual Novel probably

>>17285481

>>17285557
Nah.. she's been maintaining 5k for an hour now

>>17285557
Probably when the Gen 5 colab ended?

>>17285565
KEK; this would be a perfect pic if the bottle was spelled in the traditional way of this thread
> NIJICOEP

>>17285481
why are nijiniggers like this?

Kiara bearing Vox is pretty funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JwuUSgdi10
example of cull seeping outside of vtubers? g2 should be hype but it barely beat 31k

>>17285565
I'm going to make this the op of the next thread

>>17285222
Considering Gaou-sensei had done works for VN's, pretty sure Aqua's game is the same too.

>>17285649

>the 20k wall vs holoen

Who would win

>>17285647
Meant to say beating*

>>17285687
>Nijiniggers pitting JP vs EN when they get btfo
Aaah, just like the old days

>>17285606
Yep, that would be it, thanks

>>17285687
Why are the crew like this? They've been dormant for months and now the board is awful again thanks to them.

>>17285222
Its not the first time a holo has their own game.

>>17285650

>>17285712
>>17285746
>Nijinigger
>Crew
That Aqua smirk posting faggot is everywhere, he's just a shitposter without an actual purpose.

>>17285613
Nah, i purposely edited so for anons to used it on any other thread too

>>17285351
They're clearly dodging chink new year week

>>17285723

ILLEGAL

>>17285216
>31,149: Aqua (Hololive)
>27,702: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>21,023: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
Lmao
No Peko,Miko,Marine,Rushia,Shuba,
and Niji still cant win a fucking gold

>>17285712
Rent-free

>>17285843
nijiseethe

I have a question.
Is fair to compare Luxiem first monetizacion month with Myth or only with Council?

>>17285762
Blast has mirror streams on youtube since last year. You can see their previous stream data on playboard.

>>17285874
It's fair to make comparisons to both. You can also do the same for HoloX since Luxiem get a lot of their SCs from the same time zones that they stream. Rather than debut SCs I'm more interested in trends. I'd rather have a 3 month data set from each.

>>17285383
your """""superchat monsters""""" gets mogged by lui, the 2nd least popular holomem

>>17285216
and magically, no one talks about EN gold

>>17285975
HoloX also started to do membership streams regularly this month which may make their monthly total look smaller than expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbqw4D_oNeU

264k in under 20 hours. Not Marine level, but the shorts seem to be doing well for Watame. The first two are around 700k now. I wonder how much traffic these actually move to a channel.

>>17286102 (me)
Also this is interesting
https://youtu.be/PZgW9ZmB150

>>17285216
>15,968: Baelz (Hololive)
>11,147: Kronii (Hololive)

hmm. NijiEN? Luxiem? o Vox playing League getting 5k kek. Now that the holoen girls are streaming somewhat consistently again, will we see a rise on chemistry cope?

>>17285887
Doesn't seem too different from last year. It's still group matches, and people always prefer watching it via Twitch.

>>17285351
Pekoras throat was fucked in her members. They are not taking a collective break.

>>17286231
He’s gonna drop league and do more thirsty tweet reading streams to regain the fujos.

Post SEAYSTA

>>17285685
The developers are VN ones
So is granted it will be VN.
Also fitting for her despite she is an FPS autist.

>>17286412
Didnt he stream today at SEAprime? What was the numbers?

>>17286233
ee, I guess. I may have overestimated the hype on g2's new team.

>>17286585
6.9k

>>17286290
Noob league stream is debuff

>>17286675
I cant help it. Nice.

Wosemi has 2.5k playing Master Duel at a horrible timeslot, it's definitely a buff for EN too

>>17286675
hope the enshit hype will die down
every time anything even remotely related to english comes up in a nijijp stream the chat starts spamming them thanks to all the clipniggers

Peko,Miko,Shuba are all back.
Holo streams will be bloodbath tomorrow.

>>17286826
Luxiem will spam

>>17286826
Luxiem will spam YD soon.

>>17286845
NijiEN fags are spamming JP streams now?

>>17286943
i assume it's jp viewers who only watch clips for the most part

>>17286102
Both hers and Marine's have good production compared to regular, Live 2D moved around vtuber shorts.

>>17286157
Anon?

>>17285216
>Gold: Ateshi
>Silver: Ateshi
>Bronzeboi

Rosemi 3k get. Is she inclining?

rosemi with the yugioh buff

>>17285216

>>17287155
It’s the YGO buff. In exhange, her chat is now a field of grey.

This is now Rosemi's highest solo stream since her debut

>>17287821
It was also Kuzuha's 2nd 20k+ this month.
Shiina's strongest in forever.
YGO is strong.

>Vox now tied with Elira for most subbed NijiEN
Manjisanji groomers...I kneel...

>>17287139
>ateshi is a buff

>>17286928
If they're smart they'll reeanct YGOTAS while doing so.

>>17287135

Subura is teaming up with Cat to take on Pekomiko. This isn't a contest anymore, this is bullying.

It's dead hours now or EU hours to some.

Food for thought, if StarsEN were to come with a lore-heavy background, I'd assume they'd be the seven sins.

Gen 1: Wrath, Sloth, Lust
Vsinger: Envy
Gen 2: Pride, Gluttony, Greed

It kinda makes sense to be in that order and to fit into HoloAlt. No stronger than Council in lore, but equal to Myth in strength.

>>17288828
Do people really care about Lore?

>>17288933
It helps for having something to bounce off of and with fan artists.
You’ll see Holos dip into their character design or lore to make conversation topics or liven things up.

>>17288703
>to take on Pekomiko
Wdym?

https://youtu.be/hjdsUPEtNoA
https://youtu.be/DXJfqW5lB74
>bully in dead hours

>>17289099
Look at the afternoon slot.

>>17288933
The think about lore is that it help shapes up a world or a metaverse that Cover wanted to have. A story helps people engage with the character itself, without it, they'd be a normal twitch streamer kek. Vox had a good thing coming for him in the first place with an immortal demon, but he threw all that out for horny underaged girls. Other than that, it doesn't help that her genmates doesn't really mesh with his lore at all. Anyway, It's a good investment to have lore in,

>>17288703
Why are they bullying the void?

>>17289105
rip bully vod views
>>17288828
are the homos even in holoalt

>>17285275
if a 2v managed to get someone that wealthy and dedicated (you would need A LOT of YouTube acc to sc so much at once) then she deserves the crown.

>>17285351
Gen 3 haven't been doing much ever since the concert, it's their down time right now

>>17289144
>her genmates

oh wait, Kuzuha is gonna take total watched hours this month i think. He's been grinding hours on Valorant and YGO

>>17289334
Peko - fucked up throat
Marine - still recovering
Noel - ???
Rushia - Still recovering from depression
Flare - Playing ARC off-stream until morning almost everyday
Ya, don't think Gen 3 are doing anything as a group.

Any gold contender for today?

>>17289466
They are getting pretty old for a Vtuber, remember that they are the senpai of like 6 Holo gen already. When you put it like that they suddenly seem very old and rusty
About time they take a break

>>17289543
From Holos, Subura unless Aqua pulls out an apex stream.

>>17289344
Considering that the VTubing industry is such a heavily female-dominated market segment, you'd think that Freud would be more common when talking about chuubas... but this is fairly rare, pedantchama.

t. NTA

>>17289543

>>17289323
>Bully views

This is Gura we’re talking about. She gets her vod views whether you like it or not. Case in point:
https://youtu.be/Mg_5TOJJODQ

The geurilla minecraft in the afternoon that was not even announced basically at all and had 12-14k ccv pre-ccvid still managed to hit 400k after time went on. Gura is just too strong

>>17289543
Korone is picking Banjo back up after a year and a half, considering how many people found Hololive through eekum bokum I'm predicting that to do very well

>>17289725
I think it's still hard to reach her normal 300k views bar for Bully in short amount of time, just look at Necrodancer. Of course she can still hit her absolute 200k floor.

>>17289725
nah rip the views since if you double up the earlier one suffers a bit

>>17289725
have you seen her necrodancer? probably gonna be stuck in 200k for awhile

>>17289784
Ahhhhh ekkum bokkum
Hololive was foreign to me back then and the meme honestly got so popular it start to become annoying for me

>>17289682
if he fails to get 300k then the cull is real

>>17289599
Gen 3 can just chill already. Any sponsorship or collabs just needs their image/name and they can just collect the paychecks.

>>17289884
I mean Pekora is the only one who still going hard at it like she’s an indie, other are already settled down and just do whatever

>>17289925
ehh. They all stream at least third of the year. If you use Pekora as comparison, almost everyone looks like settled down

>>17290057
at least two thirds of the year*

>>17289816
>>17289821
>>17289841
>Necrodancer
Listen I actually did like that vod and it seemed fun but keep in mind that Gura has been streaming repeatedly and had a giga popular Ark right after it. Her last <300k vod was 2 months ago and before that? 7 months.

I agree it won’t hit the typical overnight 300k and may take some days possibly but I think she’ll be fine. Bully was a fun experience and I don’t think people will wanna miss out on it but that’s just me ykno

>>17290057
Kek Pekora and Marine is so far ahead of the rest of Sankisei it’s not even funny

>>17290057
Damn, Flare is doing really well. Why is her Sub count doing badly?

>>17290269
Because hours watched have little to do with sub growth.

>>17290057
>2479239 :: Ayame :: 53 streams
>2264614 :: Matsuri :: 297 streams
OUJO-SAMAAAAAA, I KNEEL!

There is this thing as the "Ayame Line", anyone being outranked by Ayame on hours watched need to rethink their strategy

I mean even her CCV, SCs are really good relative to her sub count. I just wish my dark elf do well, they are my favourite genre.

>>17290269
Sub count honestly doesnt mean shit. Flare is doing even better than this graph implies since this is just hours watched. She streams a ton so that helps her keep people watching her and she is doing well even though Marine, Rushia and Pekora makes Noel and Flare look like they have it bad

>>17290349
Indeed. Sub-growth is more a function of "how well is someone known?" and "I want to support this channel that I now know about". Clippers are the number one way that this is achieved for Hololive. Flare, while a good collab organizer and collab partner, doesn't really get clipped and spread around quite as much.

>>17289821
this is an interesting effect but also necrodancer is less clipable. bUT I AGREE that double streams just hurt the first stream.

On the topic of subs, it seems like Vox is tied with Elira in subs at 245K. Seems like he'll hit 300K by the end of February

>>17288828
Last fucking thing you want is your chuba being saddles with a sin. You can play off "XD I'm death" or "XD I'm time" but a sin is a literal character trait. Like how Bae feels forced to be LE CHAOS XD instead of her chill self.

>>17290586
Will he overtake Sana in the future?

>>17289466
Noel seems to be going along as usual.

>>17290057
>gen 5 3D debuts
Botan: 99,112
Lamy: 94,391
Nene: 111,367
Polka: 95,732

I wonder how well gen 6 will do when they get theirs this summer. Their debuts were about 1.8-2.1 times as much as gen 5's debuts.

>>17288828
Lore is fine but it’s better if isn’t too heavy.

>>17290454
Sub count is a meme metric with diminishing returns after a certain threshold.
Flare likely missed the initial boost in 2020 for varied reasons (absence in critical plots during the explosive subs growth?) and got stuck where she is now

>>17290736
Unless his sub growth starts to stagnate now it'll probably happen soon

>>17290494
>>17290804
>subs don't matter cope

>>17289784
Kino

>>17290869
Matuli...

>>17290869
Myth is a great example of why they dont though. Basically majority of JPs can just casually mog majority of myth in viewerships in one stream

>>17290770
I agree EN 2 got off on the wrong foot with Gods first. They should've gone for Queens/Empresses/Matriach of big household family

>>17290869
Nah, subs matter, I am not saying they don't. But as a metric of success there is a variety of indicators to analyze with subs being just one more.

Any chance Lazulight's new outfits get 20k? They're doing it Saturday afternoon burger time. I know in NijiJP outfit reveals aren't much of an event but a lot of vtubing culture in the west is just hololive culture so maybe that will be a boost them up. It's also a relay. I don't expect much of Luxiem's audience to attend so I can't really use them to judge.

>>17290943
Meh, they fell flat because of power creep on Hololive lore. Unofficially (with regards to official lore, but accepted overall even among the girls themselves) even Haachama outranks Council in power level

Is Sony M still leveraging their connections to make Anykara profitable by allowing them to get exclusive deals, sponsorships and game permissions while blocking their competitor out from game perms/popular song artists?

>>17290943
It didn’t even need to be so “grand”. A simple group of nobles, peasants and servants would’ve sufficed.

>>17291022
>Any chance Lazulight's new outfits get 20k?
I would be surprised. Positively surprised (big numbers being sexier than small numbers) but even Ike getting 20k on a Karaoke was an anomaly and, I assume, due to the slot and support from JP senpais

>>17291022
I dont think so. I'll consider it a success if they can pull a 10k, not to mention the cull

>>17291062
There is no indication that Sony is even involved hands on with either Anykara or their own streamers, given the sad state of the later.

>>17291022
The usual Luxiem audience would still be sleeping anyway. I’d say…12K at most if Hololive doesn’t put something in that timeframe.

https://youtu.be/BTeMv4jydEw
isn't this gaining a lot of views really fast(relatively)? personally, I put it in the background while doing work like the other mixes.

>>17291075
>>17291096
Sub 10k will make them a laughing stock. I mean they already look bad because Luxiem is actually competing with low tier holos and mid tier Nijis whereas NijiEN female best female still hasn't gotten past Sana, who's behavior is numbers poison.

>>17285558
It says it's a game.

>>17291220
VNs are games? Like eroge.

>>17290269
She didnt pander much to EOPs (Subs source) during the boom period and we all know nips dont sub

>>17290930
Myth has the second highest view count in hololive with 780M, second only to JP3, despite being relatively new.

>>17291213
That shit is dissapointing ngl. It's more of top 100 kinda video than a fricking medley

>>17291118
Then, who's been outright preventing Hololive from getting obvious game perms that should've been there in the first place? Konami and Fromsoft, from a business perspective, would want streamers to play/promote their game for free but they only let Nijisanji have it. If it didn't feel dirty, then I wouldn't have mind.

>>17282219
it's crazy to me how gen 5 is still by far the closest gen. I wonder if future gens can emulate their closeness. gen 4 could've grouped together after Coco's graduation as they said but that never happened since they are all autistic plus they are closer with people outside of their gen. Towa, specifically, is probably closer with gen 5 than her own gen.

>>17291355
at this point im sure niji pays konami and from just for the permission.
literally no reason to not give them to holos.

>>17285874
It's 5 people vs 5 people seems fair enough.

>>17291360
I figure it mostly thanks to Botan being there. She’s a calm and collected woman who hold the group together

>>17291467
Importance of having a Hag.

>>17291301
Thats true but what I tried to imply that the collective JP viewerbase is a lot stronger than the sub counts of Myth

>>17291301
Yeah, it's not like millions and millions of views were ever purged from hololive JP a bit before myth debuted. Myth(Gura and Mori's music) does great in VOD views but I think it is disingenuous to leave out how many vod views were gutted from HoloJP.

Aside from Ghost, Say fanfare and RIP, what other breakout original songs does Hololive have and what does Niji have?

>>17291355
There's no one preventing them schizochama.. it's more of a bussiness ethic. Konami and Fromsoft chose niji first and has established long term partnership with them. It'll leave a bad impression if they showing too much support or using holo too much since they threaten niji's monopoly directly.
Unless their partnership period is over or niji goes down in flame, they'll continue their partnership and will never give holo anything that can threaten niji's position even more.

>>17291520
You mean the collective viewerbase of 36 JP holos is higher than the viewership of 5 ENs? No shit?

>>17291529
How is the comparison if only count 2021?

>>17291520
Through Cover's analytics about viewers from Gura, Moona and official JP channel, seems like having a very concentrated fanbase in similar timezones can still be a good factor of high ccv potential.

>>17291643
Go and ask them >>17264851
These anons have more info regarding that topic

>>17290057
how the fuck does Choco sub have so many hours watched? when was the last time it uploaded anything new?

>>17291355
>Konami and Fromsoft, from a business perspective, would want streamers to play/promote their game for free but they only let Nijisanji have it.

You are thinking as if companies were rational beings.
The "better ask forgiveness than permission" attitude that got Hololive into trouble multiple times until the Capcom strikes and lawsuit soured the relatiob between Cover and game companies.

In some cases, more business oriented companies let the bygones be bygones and restored their relationship with Cover.
In other cases, like it seems to be the case for FromSoftware, it seems they held a grudge.

Think about it: to this day, Pekora's MGS stream is her fourth most superchatted. beating even her 2022 birthday live.
Japanese are absurdly autistic with regards to having their things used without permission, be it Minecraft tools, footballs or their intellectual property.
Seeing streamers making 3 million yen by playing their property without even asking "may I?" surely didn't go well.

It's ancient history now but people can hold grudges for long, and it is also the reason Cover doesn't even consider allowing their streams to play any game without written permission

>>17291675
Its not like the amount of fans increase lineary every gen though so more members doesnt mean more viewers. Basically majority of JP can have 20k stream if the timing is good

>>17291529
That just means they started closer to equal grounds but still with an advantage to JP since not everything was purged, no?

>>17291759
They seem more interested in obscure indies than numbers.

>>17291815
I asked myself the same thing. I don't recall her doing any live stream there in 2021, but maybe she did ASMR or Ark

>>17291658
>Successful game companies that sells popular games globally actually giving face to a small time streamer anime company
Kek yeah right, you don't seriously believe companies value honor more than sound business decisions where being neutral would've given them more opportunities to choose either streamers from two companies. There's someone pulling the strings.

I think gen vs gen doesn't mean anything lol

Our girl incline

>>17291815
There are 7 vods from 2021. People have been watching archives a ton it seems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7vOimsaTWI

This was also at the end of 2020

>>17291022
>Any chance Lazulight's new outfits get 20k
No chance at all it is probably going to be
>Pomu 4-5k
>Elira 8-9k
>Finana 6-7k

>>17291700
Dunno, I don't have that data. The past 30 days does really changed the rankings too much except HoloX is strong and gen 2 is weaker.
>>17291849
Well yeah but it's not like it's an outrageous rate and Ame's/Kiara's vod views have gotten way lower as of late and Ina was never that strong in that field. One look at the last 30 days shows that Myth is hard carried by two people.

I think totals shouldn't really be compared because massive amounts of data have been lost

>>17291830
It's as if Nijisanji hadn't been through this period too. Do you really think Anykara asked for perms in 2018/2019? They got off way more easier than Hololive.

>>17291507
fucking EN is missing a hag-like figure to keep everyone in check. imagine if they have someone like Fubuki or Botan to hold down the fort. I bet they will stream more consistently and take better care of themselves.

>>17291815
her sub channel is a scary place

>>17291911
See this >>17291830
Nips, or asian corpos, are autistic like that.
t.former big corpo middle management

>>17285216
Wow so Ironmouse got the EN gold despite the new Pokémon hype, huh.

>>17291865
Some oldfag will answer if you just put on the question for few days

>>17291877
last upload 10 months ago. its all Ark besides a single VR ASMR stream that has 1.3 mil views. considering most of the Ark streams don't even breake 50k views i guess its litteraly just people rewatching the ASMR

>>17292065
Yes, imagine a Hag helping to help coordinate stream schedules and implement a proper EN funnel. Like why the fuck is Fauna streaming at the same time as Gura.

>>17291830
Wait, did I say 3 million yen? Make that 9 million yen

>>17292029
True, that's why I called that "grudge". People are not rational and hold grudges for private reasons.
Maybe Rikku took the CEO from Fromsoft to a hostess bar to sniff coke out of some suspiciously thicc thighed Mito lookalike as an apology while Tanigo only sent them a formal generic apology letter.

Anon was correct that the correct business decision for a game company would be to reply enthusiastically
>OF FUCKING COURSE WE ALLOW THE FUNNY RABBIT TO PLAY IT!
>just give us a heads up beforehand so our servers can handle the influx of players she will surely bring

That's not how the real world works, unfortunately

>>17292029
wasn't the holocaust and the end of erolive partially to blame by the rabid part of the niji fanbase who reported everything?

>>17292065
>>17292205
Good luck finding a western weeb hag that can put these hoes in their place...

Cover could get permission to play DS, but they insist on monetized streams and therefore cannot come to an agreement. Niji is played without monetization, like many other games in their range.

Just for fun, since someone mentioned the holocaust, I gathered the total views from each channel from Socialblade, in the end of June 2020, the total views was 784.4M from 31 channels, the purge from holocaust leads the result of the views in the end of July 2020 was 284.2M, that's 500M views.

>>17292274
Why would you play it for free tho? These games got free advertisement while you, the streamer, cant even make money from donation? Fuck that. I'd rather play it offline or use the time to create other kino contents that bring number AND money

>>17292205
>>17292239
>Good luck finding a western weeb hag
"Hag" is a misnomer, but having worked in a company that had a HUGE women only section there is one thing that is missing on HoloEN
> a Queen Bee

In that section women spent as much time gossiping and scheming as they spent work. The CEO hired a Queen Bee and gave her authority over the rest and, without firing even a single one, she got that section working tighter than Towa's bellybutton.

It is incredible what a single person in a position of authority can do if she has the talent to rule and the unchecked authority to promote, demote or outright fire whoever she wants.

>>17292012
Past 30 days
Gen3: 53,330,600
Myth: 43,511,547
Gen6: 42,637,821
*Gamers: 38,332,059
Gen4: 34,231,990
Gen0: 34,140,568
Gen1: 26,740,859
Gen2: 26,142,517
*Gen5: 25,506,582
**Council: 19,105,966

* only 4 members
** added Irys to make it less pathetic

Gamers is actually second if you go by average per person.

>>17292274
FromSoftware also has Cover's permission to use their original songs in their games, as long as they're giving the games for free to the community instead of selling them for a profit.

>>17292274
No they dont. See tecmo games streams.

>>17292231
That, and holo getting too popular to get away from shit like that. Kinda like how game dev backpedalled on pewds and sue him even after he was given a verbal "permission"

>>17292012
Even when you take the last 30 days, JP3 is the only gen doing better than Myth in views, and they're also the highest subbed JP gen, which makes perfect sense and makes the argument that subs don't matter fucking retarded.
>hard carried by two people
Pretty much every gen has a carrier or 2 and a runt.

I feel CCV battle itself is advantaged situation for HoloENs given the there aren't much overlapping streams. JP is often like this.

>>17291643
#aquairopalette and next color planet

>>17292434
Council...

>>17292481
Kek, exactly.

>>17292404
Therefore, the holo does not have permissions for some games, their greed deprives viewers of content. Time for another minecraft and pokemon stream.
If they wanted to do their best for the sake of the viewers, they would stream games without monetization.
In the long run, it could bring popularity and money.

Finally.

>>17292641
see>>17292483

>>17292416
>It is incredible what a single person in a position of authority can do if she has the talent to rule and the unchecked authority to promote, demote or outright fire whoever she wants.
that power can be abused very easily. someone with integrity like Fubuki is super hard to come by, JP or not. fucking yagoo got so lucky with her and Sora setting a good example for their kouhai and establishing the "culture".

>>17292641
Yeah right. And who are these viewers? Where's niji's popularity fron playing these games from these autistic dev? It's not about the money anon, it's about sending a message. As a big brand yourself, you dont just hand out freebies to these companies who refuse you.

>>17292502
GENvsGEN is stupid cause there are gens with fewer people like Gamers and 4,5th gen and some members are on hiatus like Chloe and Shion. You should compare top5 JP and top5 EN if you want fair comparison

You should compare top5 JP to top5 EN

>>17292274
They play GTA without monetization just fine

>>17292434
Anon? Gen 4 only has 4 members...

>>17292943
bitch...

>>17292641
>If they wanted to do their best for the sake of the viewers
That’s a retarded take, for two reasons.

1) The audience clearly values Minecraft and Pokemon. See: Flare playing Minecraft vs. Flare playing absolutely anything else, or Fubuki Pokemon streak.

If they were doing ANYTHING for the sake of the viewers they would play nothing but the buffiest games (like those two) and get a massive audience doing so.
The fact Korone, Okayu, Fubuki and some of the other girls play some debuff games for their personal enjoyment and of a tiny segment of their audience is a gift from them to that segment, which is a minority of the viewers.

2) They’re doing so with the utmost love, care and having fun while pleasing their audience but what they’re doing is called
>work
and it carries an expectation of making enough money to pay for their own salaries and the structure of the company they work for.

You know who “does it for free” (sorry jannies)? Suckers!
Pekora can get regally paid for by (and even have special orchestral songs for her birthday) Square Enix or she can play Fromsoft games for free.
It’s a no brainer which one she should choose

>>17292691
Honestly I'm surprised it beat Watame's song to a million.

>>17292869
Top 5 out of 36 vs top 5 out of 11, not exactly fair either.

>>17292983
its retarded for another reason. that being they play rockstar games without monetization

>>17292398
https://streamable.com/604b5g
https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4
these two videos should get posted every time someone talks about the holocaust. newfags just don't understand how devastating it was. I think hololive was one copystrike away from losing it all. not to mention the back-to-back yabs within a couple of months during that period.

>>17292502
>Pretty much every gen has a carrier or 2 and a runt.
I decided to calculate the 30 median for each gen. Some of them are wildly top heavy.

Gen4: 9,805,328
Gen3: 8,695,240
Gamers: 8,548,875
Myth: 7,568,220
Gen6: 7,429,363
Gen5: 5,633,966
Gen1: 3,827,515
Council: 3,754,724
Gen2: 3,222,679
Gen0: 3,114,448

Not really trying to prove a point but it is kinda interesting.

>>17293033
>Gen0: 3,114,448
Now THAT'S a carry.

>>17292416
>queen bee
I know what you're talking about... I'm saying that you'd be hard-pressed to fin one such thing. The assertive women that are willing to bottom bitch tard-wrangle other women and the women that would go willingly work pretending they're an anime girl for a living do not have much overlap at all.

Kiara could have been that given that she's a gigastacy and had actual experience in the idol industry, but she had to be an European with an annoying voice, an inferiority complex and extreme weeb autismo. Ame should have been that given that she is supposed to be the leader, but of course she isn't and she won't be because you want her to.

And then, how do you wrangle a stubborn retard that just won't stop wanting to have things go her way no matter what and a lazy retard that won't stop being more popular than you no matter what she does (that isn't a yab)?

Hey man, Roboco is doing her best to carry when Migo and Suisei are not around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7db8VvBKgp8
Thank god Chloe is doing a complete SC bait "2 month celebration" utawaku tomorrow, I was getting the shakes from lack of daily updates

>>17293025
Rockstars (esp GTAV) bring numbers and actually fun for both streamers and the audiences. It also generates tons of clips that could easily go viral (ex. Migo)

>>17293290
and dark souls games wouldn't?

>>17292968
I wonder if Coco should've been the alpha bitch of EN if she stuck around?

>>17293263
Stinky Orca is back. She just did a 3h ASMR to farm SCs and now another Utawaku.

>>17293263
What's her rank on top 100 SC now?

>All luxiem enabled membership
>Enna still doesn't have a membership
Kek.

>>17293109
Suzy and Migo are 15m and 12m respectively. Hard carry.

Towa, Watame, and Kanata are artificially inflated due to special events. Coco's 700k doesn't really matter.

Chloe might have tipped the balance between myth and gen6 if she had streamed.

Council's shit is just fucked up. Probably should stream more since Mumei carrying them and she has a lot of unarchived shit which isn't included.

Gen2 is literally just Subaru. Gen1 is literally just Fubuki.

>>17293347
Not as life saving as GTA at least. And it doent have multi option that further boost numbers on collabo
Plus, with most of them girls' gaming skills, it'll only be fun in the first 2-3 part and gets old on part 10 of the playthrough

>>17293399
60, she got overtaken by Chaika's outfit reveal. Iroha is 84 and Koyori is 97

>>17293527
Can she make it to top 50 by the end of the month?

>>17293519
rage clips would be massive, and you can set passwords for summon signs for collabs.

>>17293109
I would argue Subaru carried gen 2 pretty fucking hard considering
>Ayame
>Shion
these two streams once in a blue moon then disappear for half a month
>Aqua
idol rep but should be returning to normal
>Choco
streams but doesn't always yield the best numbers
>>17293515
>Gen1 is literally just Fubuki
good shout

>>17293621
I don’t think having to play unmonetized is the reason they don’t touch Fromsoftware stuff but some animosity between the companies in the past

>>17293701
i know thats why i brought up rockstar games

>>17293493
Ethyria really was the blunder of the century.

>>17293527
Chaika is in the top 60 most superchatted vtubers!?

>>17293774
Is Chaika the clown dude?

>>17293561
No, #50 is Lize and she's $47k off her. Moving up the ranks is going to be much tougher the higher she gets but I'm confident she can reach the top 10 by the time she's had her birthday, 3D and million subs which should be done by around June

>>17293515
>Towa, Watame, and Kanata are artificially inflated due to special events.
Why are they doing things that give them numbers.

>>17293808
Chaika is the buff cross-dressing elf

>>17293976
Now he is cute shota

>>17293347
only the first episodes
it becomes number posion after that

>>17293493
But why?

>>17293852
Very excited to witness this fast and steady incline desu!

https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/music
if you're dumb like me, hololive has a page on their website that shows all the music they have put out and part of as a collab.

>>17294097
What happened to Polka, how did she become the runt of Gen 5?

>>17294131
Too loud for the Japanese

>>17293774
A lot of the all-time chart is there simply from having been around and earning money for a long time, Haneru for example is above Towa despite probably never earning more than her any month since she debuted. Chaika's been around since mid 2018 and finished high up in the 2019 chart so he got a head start on a lot of other high earners that debuted later

>>17294034
She is very stupid when it comes to numbers. She streams a lot of non-monitizable games, prefers not to stream her POV but appears on other channels, doesn't want to enable membership just because.
Her friend Millie is no better in terms of numbers. She didn't want to turn on the membership, but the manager persuaded, dissuaded people from signing up for a membership because she doesn't plan to give a lot of content, and all the earnings from the membership will go to yonkoma for members and charity.

>>17291062
Why Sony Music would have anything to do with game permissions from complete different companies. are you fucking retarded?

>>17294131
ditching any kind of schedule and depression

>>17294131
unironically the le society joke
>Aloe incident
>janny incident
she was supposed to be the star/lead of gen 5 due to her background but these incidents killed her motivation. as a result, the lion had to step into the leadership role. but the lion is lazy so she groomed ramirez into being the leader of gen 5.

>>17291911
They literally do. That's why Atlus still only releases Persona games on Playstation and why they do the same for SMT on Nintendo. Japanese companies are like that even without money involved.

>>17291446
>>17291355
I guess hololive is paying microsoft because ms never gave permissions to them...

>>17294241
I recall an anon here mentioned that she donates a lot of her money as well.

>>17294360
if only. they dont have permisions for a lot of stuff outside some sponsors.

>>17292528
This argument never matters because the reality is that Japan has anime and otaku shit engrained in its culture. Vtubers are regulars in the Asian streaming market so it makes perfect sense why overlap only hits you so hard. Consider that Nijisanji exists alongside other agencies, meaning there are actual dozens and dozens of promoted vtubers streaming daily. It’s just a standard there and watching vtubers is a standard practice.

The western streaming market is absolutely dominated by facecam streamers alongside the fact that anime and weeb culture is heavily stigmatized in society, so you’re already dealing with a giant hurdle from the get-go. So when people say “look! They don’t have any overlap and they only get X viewers in comparison” they largely ignore the fact that on a regular basis, you have people on twitch getting 40k+ reacting to shit and people like xqc who regularly hits 70-90k. It’s honestly similar to how KR and CN markets just don’t seem to make large ground; You already got a large set of broadcast jockeys and shit that people gravitate towards anyways.

>>17294649
^ (me) This is also why myth is so fucking impressive. They carried the ever living fuck out of EN vtubing and absolutely gave people careers because of it. And to this day people like Gura are still climbing faster than anyone

>>17294285

>>17294711

>>17293515
Anon, most of the higher placements there are inflated due to events. Gen 3 with peko outfit/tourney/live and rushia live. Mikkorone with the 24hr stream, etc etc

nice site susan

>interesting "fact" from Oshi no Ko

>>17295104
I checked with more than three experts in the field of streaming and programming and they all agreed that’s just natural recline

>>17295277

>>17295277
I am also an expert and I agree with the findings.

>>17295267
Sora...
how many corpses did she climb over?

>>17295104
working as intended

https://youtu.be/2CxhOJtdW3k
how popular would this song be if it weren't a collab exclusive? I think the hype when you sing this song is comparable to ahoy

>>17295084
Pekora already had the highest views. I was getting medians, not averages. Pekora could have had 1 billion views and the median would be the same. Rushia still came in 3rd which is usually the case when it comes to VOD views for her. Miko doesn't matter since even when she doesn't stream much she has 4 times the number of views as the person in 3rd place. Korone is the only valid example since she is third place in Gamers so if she was at 5 million or less views the median would be 7.5. What happened with gen 4 is 3 of the members got a huge boost. Think about the median of a set of 5, think about 3 people getting boosted at the same time.

>>17294649
This is what I'm thinking about the possible future of vtuber, that it will just dominate by normal twitch streamers with an avatar and call itself vtuber. At least in the EN market outside of Holo and Niji, Vshojo and most EN indies I see are still respect and have some roleplay in their streams, but like some of those surging ES "vtuber" like ZilverK is already just throwing this part. Not here to make arguments about the definition of vtuber, but I just appreciate the role play segment a lot from the influence in JP culture for vtubing and wish these will still be the main force of vtuber in the future.

Should we make the next thread with /#/ - (kanji) to drive out schizo?

>>17295788
No fuck off

>>17295788
Just make it regular Latin script. Thread is slow enough

>gura, mori and fauna streaming on friday afternoon with culling
terrible numbers
specially now that people are back to school

>>17296116
Gura going out of her timezone to overlap Mori is pretty fun

>>17296197
is the other way around since mori doesnt have a shcedule right now.
Faun is fucking stupid could have easily stream during kroni usual time since she has a memebr stream. Worse is that she put the fram one hour before the stream and is the new pokemon game. So will go against gura and mori.

>>17295597
See this is where it pays off to actually look at the channels. Watame is not buffed from events, her extra views are from songs and shorts. Marine is practically all shorts views. Rushia being event buffed coming in 3rd absolutely increases the median of a set of 5.

>>17295104
>>17295475
nino... nina...

>>17295597
What was the big boost for Watame? Her anniversary has 313k views.

>ネットクリエイター編
>ウォルピスカーター、SEIKIN、チバニャン、ピーナッツくん、星街すいせい、みきとPが選ぶ2021年の3曲
https://natalie.mu/music/column/463325

What an eclectic ensemble

>gura with only 2k waiting 15 min before stream
so what makes this timeslot so shit for streaming?

>>17295104
Does any of HoloEN bother with polls to test that problem or was it just Kiara?

>>17296609
>what makes this timeslot so shit for streaming

>>17296608

PEANUTS-KUN!!!!

>>17296609
This >>17296658
Too early for NA. Too late for JP / SEA. It's close to EU hours, but not exactly EU prime time either (~10-11PM right now) - and so far EU hasn't really proven themselves to be a good part of the EN market for VTubers yet

>>17296627
Before the "fix" earlier that stabilized JP numbers? Yes. Afterwards? Not as many.
>>17295104
Send TeamYoutube a tweet. Shit tons of people, both streamers and fans, JP and EN, tweet'd at them during the peak of 2021 X'Mas CCVID and as a result, they took action. Barely anyone still does it nowadays after YT fixed / somewhat lessened the damage to JP streamers. It's hardly a surprise that YT doesn't give as much fuck about it anymore

Damn...this bully waiting room.
Why does Gura do this to her nmbers and stream in the deadest of hours?

>>17297020
>>17297282
She's streaming later during her regular hours so its fine if she wants to dip into this timeslot for some odd reason. Would have been weirder if this was her only stream for today. I think the oddest stream for this week on the EN side was Baelz doing a 2AM JST stream, but she got a decent 5k+ ccv in that one

Scraped Luca's membership opening chat log. Here are the rersults:

New members joining during stream: 1031
Unique users in chat: 3291
Unique members in chat: 2036
Number of superchats thrown: 303

--Data logs--
Stream URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwzVI1WygYc
Superchat log: https://ghostbin.com/VsIWd
New memberships log: https://ghostbin.com/F7oBV
Unique Member in chat list: https://ghostbin.com/6j7Ff

>>17297485
Wasting a buff game on this timeslot is a bad idea. This could have easily been Apotheon from last week, or Last Labyrinth
Then again that'd mean she'd get even lower lows

>>17285216
another sponsored tournament inc. Niji cant stop winning.

>>17292120
Yes, Connor officially has EN gold again.

>>17297020
We've talked about this before though,
EU's don't even watch streams at prime time. They finish work at later hours and maybe stay 1-2 more outside.
10-11PM is the right time for EU streams because they just tune in to chill Watame, Ina and previously Lulu streams to end the day.

Otherwise yeah, way too early for the US.

looking like a sub 10k, which'll be her second-ever one. fourth if you count watch alongs

>>17297589
what is it

>>17297589
Koshien better sponsor them.

>>17297522
https://youtu.be/mwzVI1WygYc?t=372
He looked at his members at the 6 minute mark and saw 1500 so he probably started membership a few hours earlier and people already joined.

>>17297522
So he actually did get 1k+ members before the stream.

>>17297589
>>17297821
>>17297827
Are you people trolling? That's powapro.

>>17297815
Funnily enough, the last sub 10k (Deadspace 3 with Ina) was...also in EU shitcan hours. This timeslot is super cursed, and Ina is very impressive for having developed a 9k steady audience in it.

>>17297815
If Ina dips before Mori's IM collab she could get a boost.

>>17297589
powerpro? sponsored
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIdkwtoQols
bomberman? sponsored
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgSqYtTk0rY
momotetsu? sponsored
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJUHwQ9uH8

Hololive also did a momotetsu tournament but not sponsored wwwwww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z18-qWrMDvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWHZiSn_iXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xphsJg5JIBc

>>17297821
ingame characters

>>17297933
Thanks that clears up everything.

>>17297815
This is the realm of Ina, the fact she's basically streamed at this time for over a year makes the people watching at this time pretty loyal

>>17297933
>powapro?

>>17297933
>Are you people trolling
Where do you think you are?

>Gura sub 10k

NijiGold?

>>17298185
She's still streaming in her actual timeslot later, nijinigger. And no one is keeping track of your special olympics gold.

>>17298116
My bad.

You can see youtube rate-limiting gura's CCV gain in realtime, CCV gain spikes by a couple hundred/tick and then the very next tick it goes to sub-20 gain, and then it goes back to 50-80/tick.

>>17298185
If you're going for ENGold to actually exist, you Have to accept where the EN audience mostly is, Twitch.
Vshojo will almost always have Nijisanji beat.

>>17298185
first sub 10k? reclining hahahaha

>>17298243
I think the new system legitimately stops the CCV from ever properly inclining because it verifies new views so slowly its almost beneath the churn rate.
Like say, if an average viewer sticks around (either by watching the video or tabbing) for 5-10 minutes, and this takes 5-10 minutes to verify a viewer, then churn rate ends up being massively affected. Am the only one who notices peaks go down but averages are up, because of this?

>>17298326
Not even her first sub 10k, retarded newfag.

>>17295277
>>17295345
Maybe but I was visited by an ethereal seer and we parsed through ancient scrolls together. The scrolls revealed to us that while HoloEN is getting culled, Nijisanji, in general, is just going through a natural recline.

Holy shit you can actually see viewers getting slashed on Gura’s channel in real time. The moment her stream climbs up it slashes 300 viewers. This is brutal to watch

>>17297522
Only 1031 members basically confirms the Zhang boosting rrats. Despite their viewership being much higher they are getting less members than the NijiEN girls. That is just weird unless their viewers are Zhang agitators doing it to send a message to Hololive.

It's cuz of cull. don't worry bros.

>>17298580
>Only 1031 members
>Unique members in chat: 2036
Retard, he opened his membership 4 hours before the stream

>>17298350
The verification is getting even worse. In Towa's minecraft stream last night, her internet lagged out just before the 10 minute mark into the stream, however the CCV dip from this isn't detected until 15:15 into the stream.

>>17298649
Are you at least going to kill yourself when she gets her normal numbers on the stream later today?

>>17298580
It's 1,031 members joined during the stream, though. There were a total of 2,036 visible members in total in chat (those who interacted with the stream one way or another). Seems decent enough.
For reference, Selen got 1,481, Rosemi 779, Reimu 289, Petra 546, and Nina 746 visible members in their respective membership opening streams. Sana got 2,016

Gura will go over 10k easily. even in dead euro hours she won't drop below in a game like Bully

>>17298580
the joke's old now

>>17297815
take it back it looks likes she'll just squeeze out 10k. definitely will if ina ends before mori's stream

Gura already up 1.2k after Ina's stream ended

>>17298874
What a brave man you are anon, observing her incline for 33 minutes, getting to 9600, then making this call

>>17299010
susan says otherwise

Fuck off Susan.

>aaand Holostars EN soon


YAGOO...are you fucking joking you should fix your EN girls first more than adding g*ystars

Ah yes, exactly 10k. Sure thing, Susan.

>>17298350
Average is way down too.
She has only gotten 20k+ average twice since the karaoke relay, and one of those was the outfit.
In mid december and before she would get 20k average pretty much once a week at least.

I wonder if she will go near 20k in this timeslot

Why do HoloJP / NijiJP get decent to good numbers streaming during EN hours (frequently even better than most of streaming EN members), but EN can't during JP hours outside of Luxiem?

>>17299206
>I wonder if she will go near 20k in this timeslot
Maybe with a karaoke or on an actual weekend so burgers can tune in earlier. Even if her current growth is consistent, she'd basically be getting closer to her real time slot than twhere she began by the time she gets 20k. Mind you, she barely got 20k on Bully in her timeslot.

>>17299129
>>17299091

>>17299267
Because EN isnt that popular or at least they dont have that many dedicated fans. ENfags hate when you say it out loud, but its true. EN should really not be that debuffed because of timezones, quite the opposite but no

Also how is Bully a debuff game for her? This is literally GTA but with a different flavour. Unless GTA is a debuff game as well?

>>17299267
But Gura's gotten good numbers during JP hours repeatedly. Certainly not NA numbers, but also not dogshit EU numbers.
Bae gets better numbers in JP than NA timezones. The only anomaly that streams in both is Mori and there isn't much of a difference between her numbers in NA vs JP.

>>17299399
>streaming outside your cultivated time slot gets you worse numbers so you're not popular
retardslap.png

>>17299399
>implying that enough Nips can actually parse native english well enough that they would readily tune in
We've already established that most of Luxiem's big numbers in JP timeslots are a mixture of Chinese, Taiwanese, and SEA, I've seen no proof of a bit JP segment to that audience

>>17299267
A lot more people in Japan watch vtubers.

>>17299267
>HoloJP / NijiJP get decent to good numbers streaming during EN hours
There are a lot of JP viewers who watch vtubers in any timeslot of the day, even morning streams. There's not many JP streams in the morning so JP viewers gravitate towards them.

>EN can't during JP hours outside of Luxiem?
JST primetime is extremely early for NA (3 am for PST, 6 am for EST) and there's a lot more competition during JP times so JP viewers stick with HoloJP.
Luxiem also rarely overlaps with one another and when they do, they get around HoloEN numbers in JP/SEA times.

>>17299460
Who the fuck said Bully is a debuff game? Who are you arguing with?
It's most certainly a buff, and it's most certainly not a GTA level buff. GTA is literally one of the few EN streaming buff games.

>>17299460
I feel like GTA is an almost neutral game. Bully is just GTA but older, jankier, and less well known.

>>17299464
the thing is this isn't exactly EU hours either. its 11pm in the uk so midnight/past midnight for the rest of EU

>>17299091
>>17299129
I'm gonna make a Pekora edit of this for these kind of numbers...tomorrow.

>>17299545
Does anyone have a table of their SC breakdowns for say, January, by currency type?

>>17299545
>I've seen no proof of a bit JP segment to that audience
Mysta literally said his audience is 75% JP women in his 2nd week.
Ike's first JP time Free chat (the one he made $12k on) was filled with JP comments, which pushed him to do a JP duolingo stream.

>>17298868
Reimu..

>>17299545
>We've already established that most of Luxiem's big numbers in JP timeslots are a mixture of Chinese, Taiwanese, and SEA, I've seen no proof of a bit JP segment to that audience
Did you know that EN holos get more yens than JP holos get non-yens in SC? Just putting that out there

Ui is by far the most popular indie, right?

>>17299267
Because they aren't getting culled as badly.
Gura's videos regularly have more views processed within 8h of the stream ending than streams with double the CCV, and a lot of of the rest of EN its the same, even Kiara's videos regularly get the same number of views as streams with double the CCV in the first day.

>>17299543
What a fucking silly ass cope. Streams that are on their schedule are to be viewed as any other stream. Period.

>>17299799
depends on what you consider the merise boys to be

>>17299767
Where did you get that from?

>>17299856
yeah bro, just watch Gura from work rumao

>>17299856
Yes yes, any piece of context is cope. Whatever you say , it's not like every single streamer ever says owning a timeslot is how you stream.

>>17295267

>>17297522
So do we know membership numbers for all of them now?

>>17299971
It wasnt actually about superchats but here

https://note.com/or_ele/n/nf2208a824265

>>17299856
How is it a fucking cope when you can OBSERVE she does worse in this timeslot and better in her usual? If I told you it snows more in winter even though it can also happen in spring would I be "coping"?

>>17300111

>>17299996
>>17300016
>>17300179
The whole argument was about why do JPs keep viewers even though some of them literally stream at middle of the night. The answer is because they have more dedicated fanbase.

>>17300244
The answer is they don't. Even Pekora has fluctuating viewership depending on the time slot.

>>17300244
the whole argument is retarded because of variable culling making none of the numbers actually meaningful.
Garbage in garbage out.

>>17300179
springcuck cope

>>17300244
Nothing to do with dedication it's just larger.

So, is there a good way to extrapolate members from unique members in chat? Like for example Korone gets 900-1800 unique members chatting. Her last members only ASMR VOD had 12k views 24 hours after the stream ended. That is an amazingly low number of unique chatters if she really does have 12k members who caught the ASMR within those 24 hours.

Miko gets about 2k per stream and she says she has more than 10k members, probably way more than that.

>>17300464
No.

So what this >>17300174 basically says is that for all of hololive, 25% are non-JP comments. For EN, share of JP comments is 30%.

So the fact that that 25% includes EN itself, according to this analysis, JPs watch EN chuubas percentage wise way more than ENs watch JPs

>>17300244
has nothing to do with dedication. There are just more Jops watcher across multiple timeslots to watch live.

>>17300244
>why do JPs keep viewers even though some of them literally stream at middle of the night.
They don't.
Just look at Kuzuha's chart from last night.
The audience of JP viewers is just larger at any time of the day than EN.

Lmao Gura keep inclining when she does the word puzzle. It happened last Bully stream too. Fucking tab culling

>>17300548

>>17300174
>2020

>>17300585
>5 mins to reach waiting

Does not look like cull

>>17300548
>>17300585
odds are tab in to post in chat

>>17300518
>October 18, 2020 22:52
Literally Myth barely started and were in their peak honeymoon phase. No offense anon, but this discussion is worthless.

>>17300594
There is no reason to assume that the conclusion it gives has changed at all. It might just be the opposite since share of EOPs in hololive has increased a lot

>>17300647
was actually 7 mins, but even then smaller waiting rooms take less time to recover

>>17300518
Anyone who watches Holo EN knows their chats aren't 30% JP, or even 10%.

>>17300822
But it would make sense for them to have a huge chunk of JOPs checking Myth out back when they were riding ultra high in October 2020.

>>17300464
Long running community polls about a topic of interest to a lot of people are the best gauge but you're still guessing at participation levels. It at least provides a consistent floor for judging between vtubers. For example Ina member polls typically get between 7-8k votes. I've heard Gura gets 12-13k.

>>17300822
Did you think I was talking about the exact same number?

Tell me. Has the number of EN comments in JP streams gone up or down at the same time the JP comments have gone down? And when both go down, does it change the conclusion that JPs watch ENs more than ENs watch JPs at all?

>>17301006
talking about the exact number*

>>17300900
Yeah sure. Also a lot of them did dedicated Japanese streams at the start. Ina did like 2-3 learning streams. Mori did teaching streams and also some learning ones. Kiara did a bunch of JP only streams. Even Ame did 1 learning stream. They also did a ton of collabs with JPs when their month ended, especially Kiara who went absolutely nuts.

>>17300518
we already have 2021 data just look it up. heres an example

>>17298868
How many did Millie get?

>>17298558
>>17298919
>>17299345
>>17300732

Someone help them...

>>17301006
More ENs watch JP than the other way around, remember that all of SEA is in JP's timezone and they are technically EN viewers since that's the language they communicate in chat with, outside of dedicated ID branch streams in their own language.

>>17298868
Rimmu....

>>17300464
While we are at it, what's stopping YouTube of simply showing the number of members each channel has?

>>17301277
>trying to numberfag twitch numbers
is fools errand.

>>17301456
>Youtube
>show numbers
>for streamer stats
ahahha oh man
good one!

>>17301277
I warned them about it. They want people from here to come and help them but I told them you guys all despise twitch.