/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Every gen after 3 has been forgettable.

>>17276080
Forgetting Council and Gen 1

>>17276080
That isn't EN2.

>>17276080
the only one whose name I know and can recognize is la+ and that's really just because of the + and retardedly oversized horns
the other ones might as well not exist

>Follow Lui on twitter
>She says please watch my stream
>She thanks me for watching
Feels good

>>17276080
>inb4 IDs

>>17276080
No one will remember gens in the first place, since in the long run, people will discover each VTuber individually, and they won't even know which VTubers are genmates.

As opposed to how council has aged i will take the holo JP gen 6 girls everyday happily over EN gen 2.

>>17276080
I have still not watched a single stream from any of them. Is any of them interesting?

>>17276204
Nijibro who remember all members from each branch and wave: "Pathetic."

>>17276294
Are you happy with your life?

>>17276080
Fuck you never disrespect my wife and her genmates ever again

>>17276291
Nah, I only search Chloe's fanart for fap materials, just like Kronii's

>>17276080
I want to like Iroha but I actually do keep forgetting she exists.

>>17276294
Go back to YouTube comments.

>>17276328
Not as much since ethereum's price go down

>>17276080
You can't forget someone who you never even know

>>17276204
Eventually.
Gen 4 is barely a thing anymore
Gen 5 still has a strong unit image
So, it'll take a year and a half or so for them to be "hololive" instead of just "hololive gen6".

>draw a catgirl
>call it a coyote

>>17276080
Are you retarded?

>>17276080
They're better than 4 and 5 to me unironically, which were both not horrible but I'd say overall mediocre gens discounting their various scuffs/yabs.

>>17276080
>t. EOP

>>17276638
Hololive catgirl market saturated, pls andarstand

are you telling me noel 2, some bird thing, laplus, fake nyanners and monhun cocksleeve are somehow forgettable?

the fucking NERVE

man, for a board that shits on reddit that much for being eops, this thread reeks of it

>>17276080
Your meds anon..

Arguably it's Gen 1. They sit in that spot where they aren't quite the forerunners who can get away with just being random girls like Gen 0 and having zero thematic synergy. It's just 6 random characters that all started working over the same prolonged time period.
Like, Gen 1 has Kris. You can't get more forgotten than that.
FBK is more closely related to the Gamers gen, Haachama would rather be EN0 than JP1, and Mel & Aki just kind of got lost a bit in the shuffle as more girls got added. Matsuri is also there, but her numbers stayed good compared to those two.

It's kind of a shame that Subaru and Aqua didn't swap places with Mel and Haachama as then the second gen would have been themed as Gen2Spooky4Me

>>17276080
that's not gen 5 or EN2 you little shit

>>17276204
>they literally introduce themselves with their gen at the start of every single stream

>>17276080
EOP

>>17276080
fuck you, lui and iroha are adorable
>>17276653
fuck you, botan and lamy are kino
>gen 4
t. (._. ) Luna is alright I guess

>>17276080
that would be gen 2. the only gen without a single good member.

>>17276080
because its too character based, they have like a couple catchphrases and whatnot but other than that theyre boring
their job is to amplify parts of their personality, they do the opposite by being actors and hiding it

>>17276204
If I can remember 151 Pokemon name in English, I can do just fine with remembering Hololive gen member.
Niji on the other hand.... pass.

The most forgettable member of every gen:

0: AZKi (love her but she barely streams, alternatively Roboco)
1: Mel (but also Aki)
2: Choco
3: Flare
4: Towa
5: Lamy
6: Iroha (but also Koyori and maybe Lui)
ID 1: Iofi
ID 2: Anya (but she's cool)
EN 1: Nobody really, maybe Ina
EN 2: Sana

Pretty easy picks I'd say

>>17276971
Gen 5 has Nenechi that alone has more charisma than all of HoloX.

>>17279575
nene's a class of her own

>>17276080
Realistically the only truly forgettable one is the generic pink cat. Chloe is hardcore coomerbait, La+ is kusogaki powercreep, Iroha is saviorbait and Lui hits a personality niche with less representation in Hololive.

If you told me without context that Koyori is some random indie 2view edited into the lineup I would believe you.

>>17276662
THERE'S LIKE FUCKING TWO CATGIRLS IN HOLOLIVE

One of them is literally a nyanners clone so I'm not surprised.

>>17276080
>best loli
>best hag
>best hag 2.0
>imagine the smell
>Saber
HoloX is the perfect group

Anyways, I love my mesugaki NEET loliwife !

It's actually insane how fast I dropped Chloe from memory within the first week or two. For a second I thought she was gonna be a contender to be my new oshi. Since then I'm not sure if I've seen a memorable clip of her. Unrelated but I don't really see her as Noel 2.0, I'll still take her over Noel any day.

Laplus has been decent but she may as well be Shion 2.0, maybe a lil bit better than her. But for a generation leader that's kinda weak.

Lui's been decent with her ESL outreach but she needs more memorable stuff and more collabs.

I've seen a few clips of Iroha but she has the personality of a bar of soap. I think she's still decent at being seiso so she's got that going for her. Or maybe I'm wrong, but who cares anyway.

Koyori exists?

>>17276204
I get the feeling that you did your best to avoid describing them as a certain organ.

Whats with all this hate for holoX?

Lui is a great hag streamer, excellent in collabs and the motherly aura she brings to her gen is a unique value proposition. She' competing with Mio for most motherly Holo

Laplus is a high effort streamer, tons of streams, has a great character lots of energy and banter. Falters a bit in collabs. But has amazing mother daughter synergy with Lui, the 2 of them produce heart warmingly Kino content every time

Iroha, overlooked but if u give her the time of day, there is an autistic charm to her that her fanbase is very invested in. Low key streamer but she'll be fine in the long run.

Koyori, i know nothing about her.

Chloe, fake.

3/5 aint bad

>>17276080
OP having shit taste

>>17280175
simple as

>>17276080
>most forgettable gen
>been dominating in every other numerical metric especially SC

>>17276080
Nowadays Hololive is just forgettable. Not even Pekora and Marine are fun to watch anymore. Everyone's always sick and low energy now.

>>17276971
Gen 5? Anon, Lamy is top 5 Holo money earner. Nene cracked the idol code. Botan is undoubtedly a pillar of Hololive. Only Polka is going down a bit but she's a special case.

>>17276080
>>most forgetable gen
Gen5, EN2 and ID2 have all been forgettable too. It happens to every franchise when it keeps adding more and more and more characters. Only the original few sets remain truly classic.
It's just meant to become a worse problem as time goes on.
Having fewer but overall better talents was a big reason why Hololive had much more success than Niji.

>>17276294
I lol'd

>>17280851
throat or tummy hort. What a bunch of special snowflakes

Not enough yuri

>>17279452
>shit, where did you get a list of my oshis?

>>17279452
Lamy? One of the top sc earners in the world? Is you serious, you EOP nigger?

?

>>17276856
Gen1 has alot of misfortune when it comes to their unity. They debuted when vtubing still wasn't established or profitable by any significant measure.

Mel was leagues more successful than anyone in Gen 0 or Gen 1 who had joined by that date and wasn't committed to Hololive cause why the fuck would you abandon your successful main career for a niche market with seemingly no real prospects. In 2018, there was no way to foresee that Vtubing would take off as a global phenomenon thanks to Covid.

Aki was apparently meant to be the 'leader' of Gen1 but she debuted right when her degenerative hip was getting to a point where it would have some major repercussions if she didn't get her delayed operation done at last. Missing so much of her crucial early months has given her a permanent debuff that she only briefly removed thanks to one of the best Holo clips ever. Unfortunately that lightning she captured in a bottle only lasted for a mere few weeks before Gura and rest of HoloMyth snatched Aki's new audience back from her.

Haachama was too young, too normie and dealing with shitty Australia internet/society to maximize her potential in Hololive. We do see brief sparks of her creativity every so often and it is spectacular but there is the possibility she is returning to the same well too many times and getting diminishing returns. She is also the most non-gamer in all of Hololive and that's a big debuff.

Matsuri had a really nice strong start but she has thrown that and much of her success away over the years through her various Menhera episodes and yabai moments. At this point she is treading water just slightly above Mel and Aki.

Fubuki pretty much is the only survivor and this is in part thanks to her seeing how rough the situation was with her Gen and abandoning it by bringing in her friends to form HoloGamers...which she has somewhat abandoned now for the absolutely kino Bakatare Trio.

>>17276099
4 was pretty much Coco and nothing else. By now Towa has been making a high enough impact though.
5 was incredibly boring for a long time but started to hit their stride about half a year after their debut when they finally got over their inferiority complex of myth.

>>17280851
I tried to warn people last year that putting too many eggs in one basket wasn't a good idea but everyone was like 'lol, low tier don't deserve sponsors or the spotlight, only graduation'. Now the overwork is catching up and the faces of Hololive are collectively breaking down.

>>17276080
For me, the most forgettable gen is definitely 5, I forget they exist almost all the time. HoloX is the only gen I actually think of as a gen due to their constant interactions and lore. Well, Gamers too sorta but that's kinda cheating since they aren't a real gen. Most gens just have a few standout members and otherwise very little interaction. No gen can really be complete because all of them are dragging along some dead weight

>>17281388

Watame is one of the most prominent Holo members out there and Luna and Kanata aren't too far behind. Not sure how Towa sticks out to you.

Gen3 is basically just Pekora, Rushia and three whores.

>>17276080
This is probably chumkeks that only watch goora and thinks shes the best vtuber and others are irrelevant

>>17276294
upvoted and reddit pilled

Yagoo needs to stop copying Nijisanji and realize that he needs to limit the amount of talents in his company otherwise it'll suffer the same fate Nijisanji is facing.

>>17276204
I mean Gen 3-6 are the only real gens and 4 and 5 are permanently damaged by a retirement so Gen 3 and 6 are the only real ones. I think what tends to happen in Gens including 3 is you just get a couple or two and getting all 5 together is pretty much impossible. People are much more likely to remember pairings that are actually organic like SubaChocoLuna or Watame/Botan or MiComet.

>>17280862

I don't know or care if she's in top 5 earners but I have no idea what some people might see in her considering I've never seen one memorable clip of her and might as well be a snow figure to me.

>0 -- remember sora? no? well miko is technically gen 0 so
>1 -- meme crew
>2 -- hololive
>3 -- niconico crew
>4 -- coco etcetera
>5 -- cursed
>6 -- the future of vtubing

>>17282134
I think the idea of Gens will eventually be done away with in a few years when enough have graduated that each Gen is reduced to 1-3 members apiece. I mean, how the fuck do you do a GenLive at that point?

Eventually Gens will be replaced by talent created units such as SMOK, Bakatare and SubaLunaChoco, etc.

>>17282100
This. I never gave a flying fuck about Nijisanji because they've had 100+ members for years now. At this point they'll call me to join Nijisanji

>>17276080
Clearly the talents are overflowing on this gen

a mori thread died on this retard thread

>>17282063
Organizing events and a lot of collabs outside of the hololive sphere I guess. Watame, Luna and Kanata seem pretty self contained but watame has her music to make an impression.
Not sure why you wouldn't include Marine in there, she's one of the most prolific holos overall.

>>17279452
The most forgettable member of every gen:

0: none
1: none
2: ayame
3: none
4: none
5: none
6: none
ID 1: none
ID 2: none
EN 1: none
EN 2: none

>>17279452
Objectively true
It doesn't mean they are bad by any means, but I can't find anything wrong with that list

>>17280941
She may eran lot, but she isn't nearly as memorable as Nene, Botan (especially both of them together) or Polka

>>17282313

Sure she's organizing stuff but that's like saying A-chan is prominent by that logic.

Clippers absolutely love Watame, Luna has a unique cult following, and Kanata's connection with Coco rubbed off on her, considering she's over a million subs herself.

>>17282313
Nta, but he included Marine there
In the
>Three whores category

>>17282450
This is such a Reddit comment lol

>>17279452
>EN 1: Nobody really
and they here are still saying Myth is a mistake

>>17279452
0: definitely Azki but that could change now that she's joining Hololive
1: Mel and Aki are both only famous for getting their life destroyed while being Holos
2: Ayame, I forget she exists most of the time
Gamers: Mio
3: I don't think any of them really, I don't think you can really say Flare because then Noel is forgettable as well
4: Kanata because her entire identity is wrapped around being the friend of someone who doesn't exist anymore
5: Lamy, she's definitely the most forgettable Holo overall for me
6: Chloe, once she removed the mask I immediately forget about her

>>17276080

>>17282749
Well, is it better to be forgotten or to be hated? ID is forgotten but EN is hated. Personally I'd rather have ID's legacy.

>>17282859
Care to explain about aki? I know mel had her stalker, but that's about what I know

>>17282895
>hated
Only in this shithole honestly. Maybe some twitter trannies because of the new mori drama but apart from that they're mostly well respected and adored.

>>17279452

I love how I forgot to put Gamers in there. It's the most forgettable generation, not because of the members, but because it's not numbered. Thread answered, lol.

And while we're there, it's Mio for Gamers. No debate there.

>>17282859
>wrapped around being the friend of someone who doesn't exist anymore
You just outed yourself for not watching recent content

>>17276080

>>17282749

I mean, just because something is not forgettable doesn't mean it's not bad. The most forgettable members aren't the worst.

>>17276080
On what planet? One of the strongest gens ever and they're all great.

>>17276080
Who are these? Sorry, I only watch hololive.

>>17282981
>Degenerative hip she long ignored required surgery shortly after her debut
>Name and design were offputting to JP
>Languishes for 2 years until one special clip saves her overnight!
>...until 4 weeks later Gura and HoloMyth debuts and steals Aki's only bright moment in her 3.5 years

>>17279452
I sometimes forgot Sana exist

I regularly forget Council exists

>>17283296

Where does /vt/ think Council's subs would stand if not for Susan's BS? Would any of them (or IRyS/HoloX) be at a million now?

>>17276080
>Still pulling super decent numbers, in terms of both CCV, views, and SCs
>"Most forgettable gen"
Anon, you might want to get your head checked. Showing Alzheimer's symptoms this early isn't a good sign. Either that, or stop having shit taste

>>17283358
They'd be a little higher than Gen6's

>>17280050
Not if you include alternate outfits.

>>17276080
It's literally the best Gen we've had since like 2.

I watch Chloe more than even Korone these days.

>>17283420
Pink cat is so forgettable because her EN counterpart has a lot of drama surrounding her.

>>17283358
No chance, I think at most you could tack on an additional 30k to 50k to each of them to cover those who got removed and never realized it after not sticking around. The key difference between then and now is that HoloMyth had the benefit of the peak of Covid/Stay at Home and Hololive still peaking as a fresh global fad. Those days are long gone.

>>17282632
You would know.

honestly among holos it doesn't matter who's the least know, what matters is the fact that the least known holos is about as famous as the most known niji...that speaks volumes

>>17283488
>EN
>drama

Wow what a shock. I wish they would just drop all of EN group; it's blatently obvious they are all filthy hambeasts behind their avatars. You can literally hear the fat folds in their voices.

All the hot EN girls go over to VShojo.

>>17276204
Hello there liver watcher

>>17282981
had an accident and needed to be operated at the time hololive was starting to boom. clip of her got viral and attracted saviorfags eops that spammed her chat and drove away some of her jp viewers and as saviorfags do they declared her saved and moved on leaving her worse of that before. she has recovered since then at least. now just as Ark is back she needs another op on her vocal cords thus missing out on her signature game

>>17283574
Bait is too obvious, but it was kinda funny. 6/10.

>>17282992
I mean people who like EN hate JP and people who like JP hate EN, they are fundamentally different companies.

>>17282313
Marine doesn't organize shit. Management organizes all collabs EXCEPT spontaneous in game ones and off-collabs for obvious reasons.
Marine rarely ever hosts off-collabs.

>>17282875

>>17283607
Where's the bait?

>>17283053
Coco doesn't exist, move on.

>>17283588
Ah right, I forgot the Ark thing in my list >>17283209

Coco handed ARK to her on a silver platter and just when the rest of Hololive gets jazzed about the game and starts a new ARK...arc, Aki is unable to stream due to post-surgery recovery...

>>17276080
Councilkeks hands typed this

>>17283644
Right here.

>>17276080
Bitch I like every single one of them.

>>17283542
That's like beating up the kid in special ed class. They should have their own standards.

>>17283667
>Aki is unable to stream due to post-surgery recovery

lmao why the fuck didn't she just get a laptop. These bitches that just take breaks whenever for such bullshit reasons, shows just how easy the average female has it in life that she thinks she can just walk away from a growing fanbase and come back to it whenever she wants to.

>>17283744
>surgery
>bullshit reason
Anon, you're off your meds again aren't you?

>>17283744
You misunderstood, she isn't stuck in the hospital.

She is at home but can't stream as she is advised not to speak while her throat/vocal cords recovery from surgery.

>>17283783
>hip surgery

Wow, it's fucking nothing. Absolutely nothing preventing her from using her hands lmao

>>17283744
Retard

>>17283793
>throat/vocal cords recovery from surgery
>hip surgery
>vocal cords

anon wat

>>17283863
FUCKING FAGGOT.

Are you that fucking dense?
Hip surgery after debut. She debuted in 2018. IS IT 2018 YOU RETARD?

The 2022 surgery was on her vocal cords.

God you fucking retard.

>>17283622
>hating jp
Not sure which echochambers you frequent but this is a completely new take for me. A lot people simply can't understand the jps and don't watch them much but that's a far cry from hating. Only /hlg/ hates everything not japanese but they're just being laughed at.

>>17283863
Nevermind, you aren't off your meds you're just an idiot who can't do basic research properly.

>>17283627
That talk was about Towa, anon.

>>17283914
Oh so she just happened to have two surgeries that required her to conveniently not stream?

lmao wake up retard, she took all you simps for a pity ride while she went on vacation

>>17283923
All the troons hate the jps for some reason; I don't know why. Probably because of how actually feminine they are.

>>17283923
Tbh, I don't even see much hate for the EN branch outside of /vt/ and even here it's usually just obvious bait and shitposting. I'm not sure language has much to do with any of it.

>>17283923
Your definition of liking JP is inherently being dishonest, the people being catered to by EN only like JP insofar as JP panders to them and their main complaint about EN is they are being held back by JP.

>>17283983
Your argument doesn't work for those early Holomembers since they are actually irrelevant outside of their association with Hololive. They aren't popular and don't get to rake in the cash on zero effort like the later gens. The only early Holo members anyone remembers are those that are still working harder than ever to this day like Subaru or Miko.

>>17283983
Yes, I'll trust you, a random anon on /vt/, over the talents themselves. Brilliant.

>>17284054
>EN is they are being held back by JP

EN is being held back by their own lack of talent and cringe as fuck dialogue. Vtubers like Irys legit never should have been a thing.

>>17284189
By that logic...penny for your thoughts on AZKi?

>>17284162
>They aren't popular and don't get to rake in the cash on zero effort like the later gens.
This is equally as disingenuous as you accuse that anon of being in your post. When the talents grow all of the brand grows with them, on top of that anyone can become irrelevant if they aren't careful even within a large company like Hololive or Nijisanji. Such is the nature of YouTube.

>>17279452
Towa is super popular though

>>17284284
You mean that I'm saying later gens can cash in? I don't think all later people can cash in equally, Kronii will get far more success from fake pity than Sana for example but the point of pity cash is it requires you to have built-in supporters to begin with. If a pity story just meant instant cash then the people with the most money would be all those irrelevant nobody 2views. The reason pity doesn't translate as well for those early people is they are mostly associated with Hololive through legacy, at their start they were mostly independent talents so they don't have that network of interconnected fans of multiple girls willing to give them money whenever they have problems.

>>17276080
This thread reeks of EOP. Council is the most irrelevant gen and holoX is more popular than Myth.

>>17279452
Holy fucking EOP. None of those JPs you mentioned are forgettable. Just because you dont understand Japanese and dont watch streams but clips doesnt mean they are forgettable.

>>17284470
Perfect example of early gens being unable to cash in on pity is Mel's return after the whole Manager saga. By far the worst event in all of Cover's history and probably the event deserving the most pity and all Mel got out of it was...25k subs roughly that she wouldn't have had otherwise. The SCs from her stream was about $14k, pretty good for Mel but vastly surpassed by amounts given for lesser pitiable events.

>>17284470
No, I'm saying were at a point where older talents can do the same, though they couldn't when they started. I agree with pretty much everything you said here otherwise.

>>17284577
Agreed, I was fucking dumbfounded when I saw Towa, and the fact that barely anyone called it out is honestly bizarre

>>17284577
At least post your picks instead of saying that. There is are multiple perspectives possible and there are chuubas who are only popular in JP but at least say who then

>>17276080
I've never watched them but from an outsider's perspective
>La+ and Chole are the most recognizable since people talked about them a lot for both good and bad reasons.
>The pink one was getting spammed for a few days and then all of it stopped at once, now I just know her as Petra's sister.
>Almost forgot about the hag until people tried to save her by posting how she's behind the others.
>I see VERY VERY little about the blonde one on this board, and for that reason I'm going to assume she's the best of the bunch.

>>17285010
All you need to do is to look at numbers, CCV and how much they get views. I dont know why this is even an argument. I am not digging that shit out for you, there is a numbers thread for that.

>>17284992
How is she more popular over a genmate like Watame? There are Holomems I despise such as Marine, Kiara or Noel but I'm not denying their popularity. At least give some evidence that she's popular or something

>>17285151
>despising Marine, Kiara, and Noel
Seems extreme in an otherwise reasonable post, but ok.

>>17285151
The list is a fucking joke when the anon almost refuses to say anyone from Myth is forgettable despite the list being the most forgettable member of every gen. That list is basically
>hurdurr nihongo dekinai so I put bunch of names of chuubas that OtakMori doesnt clip

>>17285135
I'm not sure where would you rank her in her generation but I could only give you Luna below her. And which exact parameter or set of parameters are we going by? What would make her bigger than Kanata (or even Watame if you dare) according to you?

>>17285219
They all have over a million subs and are prominent everywhere. I didn't say none, I mentioned a name. Every gen has to have the one but HoloMyth's would be among the least forgettable and that's natural

>>17284432
I mean.... [citation needed]

You'd think a 'super popular' chuuba would have over a million subs and be more marketable, not that those are the only parametrics.

>>17285435
Toe be fair, she has made some great strides in the past year. Compare numbers between her and Flare over the past 18 months and can see how much Towa has grown after her initial yabai that nearly ruined her budding Hololive career.

>>17276080
>Most forgettable gen
>Its not EN gen2
Someone's salty over the fact that the most "forgettable gen" will have their 3D before EN does lmao

>>17285340
Thats your retarded /vt/ / EOP POV.

https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/calliope

https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/flare

Flare is someone who is apparently forgettable but for some reason she makes Mori, the second most popular Myth member run for her money. Flare fucking mogs Ina, Kiara and Ame.

I legit do not understand how you can call Myth some power group even though most succesful group in VTubing forever is sankisei and its not even close. Myth is not even in top 3 when it come to popularity

>>17285205
Virtual titty streamers. Add Ouro "Ribbon" Kronii to a degree and Choco to that list as well. Haha yabe or big boobs equals funny goddess

>>17279452
Jesus Christ this is low quality bait. Here is your (you)

>>17285657
Do you agree that Flare is the bottom of her gen and Mori isn't? That's the only question here really

If you have a problem that I said "nobody really" for Myth I can take the yab but it's a nitpick irrelevant to the post's main theme

>>17285657
Not that anon, but you're coming across very defensive about this and I have no idea why.

>>17276080
Literally the best gen since Gen 3, you fuckers wouldn't recognize kino even if it was forced down your throats, you know why? Because you are fucking normalfag EOPs who are bound to a sad and miserable existence of watching inferior vtubers and catching glimpses of kino occasionally from shitty seanig clips.

>>17282528
You're a dumb malaysian nigger. Your only EOP knowledge of Gen5 is haha Botan because of her Russian fans. Stop posting forever

>>17285744
You can't just post a counter with no rebuttal of your own. Make your own picks for it and let's discuss and maybe even agree. This goes for anyone

>>17276080
Your birth went wrong judging by the thread.

>>17285694
>Haha yabe or big boobs equals funny goddess
No one says or thinks this, Kronii hasn't played into that since debut, and that doesn't really warrant despising them. There's a difference between "I don't like their content" and "I fucking hate them" you know?

>>17285802
No because you are still wrong and none of the things you said were based on facts, just your gut feelings based on the clips you watched. Lamy is top 5 in superchats for hololive and not the "least popular" member of her gen.

And you already proofed that this wasnt about who was more actually popular with your shitty points. Iroha is also wrong, its Lui. Again, this was just a list you made based on how much you personally watch (not that you actually watch streams) them and you make EN to be some holy gen because you dont know JP and but you still act like you watch anything else but EN.

>>17285952
A bit too harsh on the wording. I was arguing something else so I didn't care about this in particular. I'd say I rather don't care about them than despise, so sorry I guess? lol

>>17285848
We know you don't watch streams, anon. You're way too desperate to stir up shit by blurting out a bunch of names rather than explain why you disagree. Pretty sad, and if you are actually a fan of HoloX, you're a disgrace to them.

>>17286055
Fair, I was just pushing it for clarity.

>>17285802
Also screw you for even making that insulting list. None of the girls you listed are my favorites but if you are gonna make an insulting list, at least make it right.

>/thread/

>>17286050
Correction then:

0th Gen: AZKi
1st Gen: Mel
2nd gen: Choco
Gamers: Mio
3rd Gen: Noel
4th Gen: Towa
5th Gen: Polka
6th Gen: Lui
ID 1: Risu
ID 2: Anya
EN 1: Amelia
EN 2: Fauna

That's ALL you had to post to me immediately and I would have corrected the concensus. I respected it even if it doesn't sit right for me. /vt/ is for discussion after all.

>>17276080
your loss.
lui and lap are top tier

>>17282063
Watame isnt prominent she just has numbers

>>17286387
I also wrote Fauna instead of Sana, my yab

>>17286489
Okay so now you're contradicting that other guy who sent me that chart to say that numbers don't equal prominence. I don't even know what the criteria and concensus are here anymore. Watame not being prominent is a pretty big take though but I digress

>>17286387
And its still not correct. Okayu is the least popular Gamers.Towa is also wrong, its Luna.

Lamy makes a lot of money but I still wouldn't put her above the likes of Nene and Botan in terms of popularity/prominence in the group. You can make a lot of bank from your dedicated fans but that doesn't necessarily mean that people will automatically think of you when it comes to Hololive.

>>17286670
Okay then, I just hope /vt/ would consider those parameters as concensus.

>>17286756
Your list was really good for /vt/, because this place is full of people like you who think Myth is bigger than sankisei. It just wasnt factual because /vt/ is not hololives fanbase at all and EN is not hololives fanbase either. Its part of it but it doesnt revolve around it.

>>17286754
What do folks see in Lamy? Any have clips to recommend?

>>17276080
That's not Council.

>>17286841
I mean, I'd argue that it's better to be recognizable worldwide than to have bigger numbers, but with almost all of them coming from Japan. Not arguing in a million years that a superstar like Pekora is less popular than a Mumei or IRyS but to a random guy from anywhere outside of JP, they're more likely to be familiar with Myth and then some JPs like Pekora, Korone and Watame. Medium worldwide recognition would be bigger prominence to me than having all of only one country watching you. But that's that tricky criteria discussion.

>>17286848
Lamy is good if you are into GFE and want that kind of experience, she is really good at that. She also streams a lot.

Once they started collabs, everyone realized the original members were better in every way. La+ was handed a rap battle on a silver platter and did one song. Chloe used all her material in the first two months. The other 3 barely even exist.

>>17285869
No because its literal low quality bait Jesus Christ simple because a chubba doesnt pop up on your raider doesn't make them "forgettable" if that was the case all of Nijisanji is forgettable minus Pomu

>>17287127
>GFE

Dear Lord I'm gonna go touch grass

>>17287107
>but to a random guy from anywhere outside of JP
You are showing extremely americentric viewpoint here. I can just say Taiwan and your post is proved wrong

>>17287234
Dude there has to be a least and most in any list. You disagree? Cool, give your pick or I've got nothing to argue for/against my pick

>>17287238
You should go touch grass and never come back, true

>>17276080
Don't you mean Council?

>>17287301
Not American, English isn't even my first language. Somehow worldwide means America to you? All I say is that if to a random guy from Chile, Germany, Russia, Kenya, doesn't matter - a chuuba isn't relevant because she's only popular in a certain area - then that's gotta be a big hit to her prominence.

>>17279452
>THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON EN

>>17287305
I don't care about your pick the entire thing is retarded and I've made my point

>>17280882
U SAY THIS TO PEKORA WHO IS ONE OF THE MOST CONSISTENT HOLOS STREAMNG 10 TIMES MORE THAN ALL COUNCIL COMBINED
KYS SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE MY ASS NIGGER

Weak bait threads require horny posting.

Even if it turned into an interesting discussion.

>>17287461

I've corrected the list, now it's AZKi, Mel, Choco, Okayu, Noel, Luna, Polka, Lui, Risu, Anya, Amelia and Sana. And that is always subject to change if concensus criteria is changed as well.

Y'know, you can deprogram a "brain on EN", even if I wouldn't describe it as so.

>>17287495
The list exists out there regardless of who's posting it. Not every member is equally popular lol

>>17287409
As I said, you are wrong. Your post was extremely americentric. You post in 4chan which is mainly American imageboard and post in /vt/ which mostly talks about ENs who are extremely americentric chuubas so the context here is that every thing you say that is based on what goes in here is americentric.

>>17287650
And thats the thing see >>17287234 your opinion is trash because you represent a small insignificant portion of a larger audiance just like /vt/ in general

>>17287681
>Curry scented hands typed this

>>17287724
I am Northern European. Literally whiter than 99,9% of the people posting here and I cringe everytime any of you fucks try to demean someone because of their skin color even though most of you "white" people dont pass as white here.

>What went wrong?
Your bait.

>>17287777
Go back

>>17287777
Kek no one said anything about skin color and yet here is a paragraph about it along with an immediate claim to being white

>only a few months in the company. Still establishing themselves in Hololive
>"OMG WHY ARE THEY SO FORGETABLE?!"
Some of you have a special case of autism

>>17276080
The amount of atention they are getting from their senpais is insane, gen 5 feels like second rate citizens in comparison. Every single week they are hanging out with someone different, in bars, restaurants, karaoke, in their house, they are a massive hit.

>>17282100
yeah because fuck varying content we need to have the same 10 ppl streaming to have all the numbers since it's the only thing that matters
Also do you know how much work is involved in backstage of Hololive? One of the main reasons new people are added is to have the work distributed between them so new members aren't overworked like Nene or Marine

>>17276080
>Darkness tries too hard to roleplay even in situations that dont call for it, she also has a weird underdog niche that she could monopolize off of
>Lui got a design debuff, similar to Flare where you actually have to watch her to appreciate her cuteness
>Koyori is basically Kanata and Nene all over again where she has a bunch of hyperactive kouhai energy, but it'll take some months for fans to find her own unique appeal
>Chloe tries too hard to be cute, silly, relatable, etc. and it does come off as fake sometimes, plus she barely even wears her mask
>Iroha is extremely forgettable, like Mel/Aki/Choco levels of forgettable
The problem with their gen is they don't have a "leader" like Botan and Polka was for Gen 5, Coco for Gen 4, Marine for Gen 3, etc.
They all have potential, but they definitely have the roughest start.

>>17290099
>Lui
>Design debuff
Sorry to hear that your a massive faggot

>>17276080
The fuck are you talking about?

>>17289465
Also Luis hosting a trivia stream with Botan Subaru Okayu and La+ on the same day as Polkas Birthday stream gonna be fun to see if she mogs Polka

>>17283644
in his head rent free

>>17280583
Truly, Coco was the foreskin of the now circumcised gen4.

>>17276080
Koyori has joined Flare's army of cat eared women.

>>17276244
Hey man, Sana streamed yesterday.

>>17276510
Fuck you and fuck vitalik too. Straight to zero.

>>17290099
>Darkness
why do people do this? nobody calls her that.

>>17290853
Yeah it's Darknesss

Gen 6 is better than Gen 5

>>17276080
OP clearly didn't forget them though.

Really the first two gens aged pretty poorly (1 and 2, not Gen 0, they're doing fine).

For Gen 1, Aki and Mel both had personal issues that prevented them from growing. Matsuri used to do well but was more-or-less destroyed by her own menhera. Haachama is popular in her niche, but is such a loose cannon that she's better classified apart. The only one that is doing fine to this day is FBK, but they moved her to Gamers.

For Gen 2, Shion and Ayame barely stream so they've been forgotten aside from their simps. Aqua sort of fell by the wayside because other members covered her niches better, and while I like Choco, she's never been a big hit. Only Subaru is successful.

SANKISEI LOVE

>>17290358
To be fair, Koyori had to work her ass off to get that revenue

>>17276971
>thats not gen 5
what went wrong with you?

>>17290099
>Iroha
>forgettable
she gets more views than every EN except gura

>>17280862
I've never watched the ramirez
saying she's a good streamer cause she makes money is like saying stellantis is a good car manufacturer

>>17283983
Holy fuck you're a faggot. Enjoy watching your homos

>>17276080
>gen 1
>gen 2
>INNK
>id1
>id2
>council
>all of homostars

>>17281253
>one of the best Holo clips ever
The one where she's on her back spreading her legs?

>>17276150
SHE HAS NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE

YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER NUMBER TO HER

>>17276294
facebook-tier

>>17280862
Polka still had the strongest debut months compared to the other 3. She fell off because people expected her to be a variety channel like Pekora, Luna, Okakoro, etc. and no one gave a shit about her learning Minecraft arc. That and clique collabs drove her initial fans away.

>>17290825
>Hey man, Sana streamed yesterday.
She only streams once every 4-9 days and has been doing as such since november. She went from being one of the most active streamers in Council to being even less consistent than Kronii. Being a former Sanafag, she's honestly the most disappointing thing about Hololive since Aqua and Haato drastically changing their content. She's obviously doing this to BTFO the vocal minority of antis for taking a month break off, but it made the actual fans suffer who wanted to see more of her and her ideas.

>>17276080
>most forgetable gen
This thread is about EN2?

>>17290919
You only say that because of the aloe incident

>>17276080
>>17279452
>Iroha the new queen of gachikoi
>"""""""forgettable"""""""
This board really is nothing but people who watch EN and JP clips.

I didn't care for Gen 6 when they debuted. Didn't feel like they deserved the attention nor the numbers. But seeing how fast most of them integrated with their senpais, can't help but warm up to them.

Still don't care for orca. In the business of playing pretend, she feels the most fake, EN aside.

>>17296220
Nah, this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dLHc40dhc4

>>17300528
I want to cum in Iroha's thighs

>>17281253
>>17301203
>aki got fucked over thanks to the biggest numberfags of all
cumchuds really are the worst

>>17276080
>What went wrong?
Your alzheimer's

>>17295687
But she actually is?
Her back and forth with the chat is one of the best, and she's compatible with most holos in collabs
The thing she's weak at is keeping her long game streams interesting which is probably what most EOPs watch and judge her for

>>17282063
Gen 3 is basically Flare and 4 successful whores

>>17276080
On the contrary, I think they're the strongest gen since 3. Strong group dynamic and each has their own schtick that individually resonates well with fans except Iroha. Any numberfags here to show their growth?

>>17276080
I don't watch Hololive much anymore, and I haven't touched a single HoloX stream, but I never hear anyone talk about the pink girl or Okita Souji, the one Kakage traced over Selen only gets mentioned every now and then, and all I see of La+ is from the foot fags on this board and some fan art. No one is watching streams.

>>17285657
A couple dozen people dumping their life savings on Flare doesn't mean that the rest of the world gives a shit about her. You don't measure popularity on income, you base it on viewers and subs.

>>17300528
See
>>17304617
I don't know why you retards are equating superchat income with popularity.

>>17286050
Whose graduation (because let’s face it that’s the only thing that will beat it) will beat out Coco’s 491,342 CCV

>>17304703
>rest of the world
Literally and factually irrelevant.

>>17305385
That's how you'd measure memorability. The ability for people to remember them. People with less subs are literally less memorable. That is objective and you are retarded.

>>17304014
/vt/ is overrun by EOPs of course they don't watch gen6 streams. The only thing they look for around them is lewd art
You see a lot of talk about actual HoloX streams in the /jp/ holo thread

>>17276080
Simple OP
Iroha is too Japanese to be enjoyed by everyone
Koyomi isn't embracing the fact that she is related to Wile E. Coyote and is not a mad scientist
Lui needs to have more confidence and collab with her larger EN audience
Chloe needs to realize that she cannot be JP's answer to Gura simple because she not only doesn't have a tail to be an orca but doesn't really show that she is some assassin.

and the only believable and rememberable member of this group Laplus. Well, there is a lot of wrong that involves her and she heavily relies on her cuteness even though you need more than that to success.

Plus, none of them are fucking Australian

>>17305887
Why would I care about what people outside of Japan think about a Japanese gachikoi-bait vtuber? Go back to jacking off to gura's numbers.

>>17276080
I wish i knew Japanese so i could worship and tribute all my money to Laplus

>>17306191
The same reason why we should care about some baiter that pretends to be Japanese?

>>17306153
Bae and Sana's hands typed this post together

but your also right

>>17276080
Some fags kept calling them Gura killers and it cursed them.

>>17305064
FBK or Gura. No one else probably has a chance.

Lap is pretty JOP. She's does a lot of collabs and is a zatsu/spaces queen but even with N99 she's pretty funny.
I don't watch enough Lui but hag + someone has to wrangle the broken girls in her gen. She's probably going to be an overall mom like Mio.
Koyori is really cute and streams a fucking lot (both time wise and amount of streams). She also screams.
Chloe is a money printer and hopefully will find her niche other than that.
168 is probably the most normal of them but she's got a lot of strengths. Minecraft arc going away got rid of one of her strengths but i think Shiraken will pick her up and she'll become an aggressive lesbian with them.

>>17307519
They all need improvement though

Lap is pretty cool when she tries reaching out to the kaigais because she knows a lot of western pop culture stuff, but is a hard JOP most of the time with her zatsudans. also super chuuni zoomer energy

koyori is horni 2 but for JOPs. she is also really active and makes loud noises a lot

Lui is the den mother. can speak english decently and has good interactions with chloe and lap

chloe knows how to bring in the bucks

iroha keeps trying to act cool, but imo that diminishes her uniqueness. when she breaks character and acknowledges it, she's actually adorable as fuck

>>17296291
>NOOO PLS STOP INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE BECUZ THEY DON'T KNOW THE REAL YOU!!!!
okay sad little faggot

>>17307710
They've only been around for 2 months. Every gen had a lot of rough edges when they first started. Arguably, they're the gen with the most skills at streaming at debut compared to any previous gen JP or otherwise.
But yes, there's still room to improve for all of them

>>17279452
>Towa
She's the only good thing that has come out of that boring generation.

>>17276080
False statement, Gen 1 still exists