/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>17174363
Ogey

>>17174363
>it doesnt matter what she does off-camera as long as she keeps the character on-stream
Unicorns really don't care about that, it's the part about actually knowing what goes on off-stream that bothers them.
All of the holos could be getting gangbanged raw everyday, but since that info isn't known or confirmable they don't care.
The Calli stuff bothers them because all of it was in-character via youtube/twitter/reddit

That's what they say at least but judging by how much they actually care about it and the stuff they say about connor it's obviously just a cope lol

>>17174363
It's weird seeing people argue this when there are literal pedos on this board

that's right. I want to watch a girl pretend to be a cute anime character for like 2 hours a day, I don't want to be reminded that she's a 3DPD cunt that has a boyfriend or see her flirt with men openly as her vtuber persona. Is it so hard to stay in character, take my money, and keep it at that?

>>17174646
I admire the honesty, but that's the same delusional justification for using hard drugs.

>>17174363
>real fans and sctards/memtards consist of 90%
>NOOOOOO LETS PANDER TO THE GREYS AND WHOOOOS

Yea nice marketing there cover when your fans are 99% biological male

>>17174707
explain, I don't do drugs and I'm not familiar with anything involving drugs besides smoking

>>17174363
Go back to a mori thread so we can break your balls at the same time

>>17174988
Keep in mind, this is about concept, not magnitude. Obviously vtubers aren't as bad as drugs.

Pretending a streamer is your girlfriend knowingly is engaging in a mentally unhealthy action for the purpose of momentary happiness rather than getting at the root of why you want or need a pretend girlfriend to begin with. It's pure escapism stemming from a lack of emotional need. Granted it's healthier than alcohol or drugs, but the pure emotional investment is unhealthy psychologically.

>>17174363
>the person behind the character has a life of her own
On their company twitter account, on their company reddit account and on their company youtube account.

>>17174363
Originally...an "idol" are a job that selling dreams, afterall

>>17175307
I'm not a mentally healthy person, I see vtubers as my therapy. I work in an environment with literally zero females and at the end of the day, I use vtuber girls to fill that void, I don't care if this is unhealthy, I'm sick of men and the last thing I want to see is the cute anime girl talking to or hanging out with men that are only there to flirt. This was the original intend of vtubers, another way to milk money from the lonely men with otaku interests and a lot of unspent income, if Cover corp doesn't want people like me supporting them anymore, fine, go ahead and make their talents have regularly male interaction, I'm taking my money elsewhere.

>>17175307
the problem with this is that vtuber fans already admit they're mentally broken they're not trying to become healthy they want to stay in their world so you can't treat it like they want to actually be normal

>>17175606
seek professional help, watching woman play pretend for the money won't help you

>>17175606
If that's your argument then the only thing I could actually use as a rebuttal with you is that you could never take the moral high ground on any issue as you already admitted to using a happiness source that inherently exploits those who don't fall in line with "normality".

Being retarded on the job isn't "having a life of their own".

>>17175606
Same anon. I am in same position. 27 and work as a programmer. Went to all-boys school and had zero interaction with opposite sex during my school years. All days playing moege. College was same. I focused all my time studying and playing VNs. Even after getting a job my social interaction with female is near zero. I can only relax while watching cute girls and vtuber provided me with that experience. I know it's unheatly but can't help but fall for parasocial trap with vtuber that pandered to me.

>>17175606
Based. Don't listen to the normalfags you're in the right here

>>17176017
How were you forced into a life like that but not also provided with an arranged marriage?

>>17175606
Women interact with men in real life

>>17175983
where the fuck do you think you are?

>>17175338
>>17176009
Why do people hide behind the "it's just a character" excuse while simultaneously liking the attributes and traits of the character that are actually part of the real actor?

Especially Mori, the line between real and fake isn't really that blurred when the character setting of demon/elf/dragon/vampire is only cosmetic, the characters literally act and respond the same way the actors respond 90% of the time. Mori irl wouldn't play along with Takamori shit, so her character doesn't. Kiara irl would play along, so she does. Having accents, liking certain food, past stories, how they play games, style of humor, shyness etc.
Yes, they're all characters but the aspects beyond the design aren't really why you like them, you like them because they act how the girls actually act irl.
>inb4 "yeah surely they're lesbians and shotas irl"
Acting 10% still means the majority is actually you

>>17176191
obviously but they're playing a character as a vtuber, it is not mandatory to bring in personal life shit into their vtuber work. Why would it be necessary for one female vtuber to suddenly start talking about all the sex she had last night? or chatting with male ecelebs all day and flirting with them? Nobody here wants to watch normal female streamers, they want to watch female streamers pretend to be anime girls. It's not hard to understand

Why is there so much strawmanning? I don't hate men interacting with vtubers, I just hate Connor and ironic weebs anitubers like the rest of TT.

>>17176455
Because the majority of people hating calli aren't being honest like you are.

>suddenly 50 posts about unicorns when cover is introducing males
I'm starting to notice

>>17175671
This. So many superchats about how people are depressed or suicidal.

>>17176403
Are we talking about her interacting with IRL males or her responding to bait? I was referring to the latter.

>>17174363
I hate women but I still watch vtubers because they're nothing like real women, they're all just actors playing a role. Im not mentally ill to sperg out over what VA did this and that in anime, why should I act the same towards vtubers which is just live anime?

>>17176403
Kiara isnt gay either

>>17176369
reddit 2.0 apparently, aka normalfag central

>>17176455
Same.
I don't care about mori's shit really I just loathe that crew and connor is easily the worst of them too. Talks a lot of ignorant douchebag shit and then cries about "duh real people behind da screen!" horseshit when he gets called out for it.

>>17176632
Obviously, but as I said
>play along
Not implying she's lesbian

>>17174363
Okay but it's easy to criticize the person behind the character if they do something really stupid too.

Like nigga, it goes both ways. Nobody thinks they're going to somehow fuck their favorite chuubas unless they're into vshoujo and pay for it.

>>17176499
pure coincidence, stop noticing patterns, INCEL

>>17176403
It all boiling down to their "Look", they may like their personality but they dislike the look. And that what Vtuber all about in the first place: So a puppeteer can hide behind a puppet, selling dream, that why most pioneer Vtuber are "idol"

>>17174363
>unicorns
>A common swinging term used in the community to refer to a single female interested in meeting other couples. Described as such due to the rarity of finding said females. By no means derogatory but quite the opposite, a rare treat.
That's not what that means, is it?

>>17176499
Thought it was just deadbeats reflecting.

>>17176499
Nothing unusual here goyim, go to sleep

If some suburban white girl who's a millionaire in japan is addicted to the Texas tea like future when she's supposed to be some kind of pseudo idol you bet I'm laughing my ass off, stay mad that your Oshi is the joke of /vt/ cuckbeats. Her booty stank will always have us trippin

>>17176552
>>17176821
Moris popularity is based off of her actual personality. Not the character of a grim reaper, but actually her.
For anyone to say "I like my fake streamer girlfriends personality that has been fully displayed to me for nearly 2 years" to turn around and act like this is anything new is kind of ridiculous. She took the bait, called out and had diss track for haters and vtweeters. She went on TT despite protest. She streamed with gigguk despite protest.
None of this is out of character, so why are people pretending this is anything new?

Not only that, but more importantly why is /vt/ pretending this is anything new? Even if you weren't looking for it, /vt/ consistently roommateposted information about her past actions and past tweets so why are they acting like Mori doing this is shocking?

>>17176612
does your favorite anime girl also take the lean and drank syrup and wanna be south african rhythmer?

>>17176149
>arranged marriage
Anon.. I am just 27 and no way anyone with force that on me.

>>17176821
>>17176403

Secondly, there are vtuber group that are selling dreams, like Hololive intentionally , and group that are don't, like Vshojo and Ninji. Mori just happened to be in the group that selling dream. And dream are mostly purchase by the unicorn

>>17176840
No, it means a man who refuses to be a fan of a female content creator who is in a relationship or who confides with and hangs out with men.

>>17176975
"When it's good, it's really good". People are likely to ignore the bad things about people they like for as long as they can. It leads to toxic relationships. You're right, she's been like this all along. But people like some aspects of her personality and dislike others even though they come from the same neurosis.

>>17174363
> unicorns are obssessed with the illusion that the live2D girl on the screen is a character
>always justify sperging out by saying it doesn't matter what she does off-camera as long as she keeps the character on-stream
I'm a unicorn. You don't seem to understand anything because what you're saying is patently false. The character is an avatar for the roommate. They are the same thing, the Live2D only exists to facilitate a small amount of roleplay. If a roommate were to share pictures of a boyfriend or a husband, the "character" would lose tons of gachikoi and "unicorns" and be called a whore. We already saw this happen. Idols are not supposed to have boyfriends. Stick with Nijisanji or even Vshojo trash if you can't handle that.
The fact you didn't know all this means you are a newfaggot, probably from reddit or twitter.
Go the fuck back, tourist.

>>17177068
That does make more sense, thanks!

>>17176821
>>17177054
Mori was consistently 'not' selling the dream since the beginning.
How can you be mad at someone that never had their heart in it from the beginning?
Are you going to be upset that a lion kills you if you stand in the lions den while carrying a bunch of meat?
It was to be expected, it was never a surprise.

>>17177157
That's inherently an extremely shallow relationship because that means you don't care if they actually have boyfriend or husband so long as you don't know about it.
That's the most cucked thing I've ever heard, that's even more cucked than deadbeats saying it's okay for calli to cuck them, because you don't care about cucked so long as it's out of sight.

It's all about the immersion. Immersion is paramount in this medium, and anything IRL detracts from it. Has nothing to do with parasocial bullshit. Hell, I don't even wanna hear the mouse click when they move themselves on the screen.

>>17176975
It stings for people who saw her be extremely grateful almost on the verge of tears when people supported her in the begining. The growth from the 5% thing to almost weekly karaokes, endurance streams, actual no joke date streams and her planning awesome shit with not only genmates but even JP members who she barely interacted with.

Now look at her. Giving her supporters an ultimatum that they have to support everything she does. Listening to stupid expat friends who hate her fanbase and what she does. Ignoring fans that aren't literal children and yes-men cucks on twitter. Giving a half assed apology for giving a doxxer and obvious troll a boost thinking she was going to "totally own" a person with nothing to lose.

Yeah she's a normal human being but it fucking sucks having shit thrown at your face. Vtuber or not, this behavior fucking sucks.

>>17174363
>>17176455
Same. Nobody cares about Mori/Rikka/Homo collabs, or when Suisei worked with producers like Inoue. It's always the TT/ironic weebs e-celebs crowd that we don't like.
I don't even watch Mori

>>17177294
NTA but what I don't know can't hurt me. What am I gonna do, hire a private investigator for every potential oshi of mine?

>>17174646
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>>17177365
Good posts, shame more people can't anonymously be honest about their hobbies like these anons.

>>17177328
Have you tried watching anime.

>>17177294
You read that completely wrong. It literally says the opposite. The green text that I was quoting describes what you are talking about and it's bullshit.

>>17175606
Based anon. I always thought hard-core gatekeeping was dumb but if you're not a neurotic loser what the fuck are you doing on /vt/?

>>17177464
>what I don't know can't hurt me
i can't even form a good response to this
what you typed was just too sad and pathetic
geez anon I wish you the best in life

>>17177294
Do you not know what green text means?
How do you interpret "If a roommate were to share pictures of a boyfriend or a husband, the "character" would lose tons of gachikoi and "unicorns" and be called a whore." as what you just said?
Are you retarded?

>>17177593
It's sad and pathetic not doxxing and e-stalking? I'm fine with them living their own lives when not on the job. Please elaborate with your strawmanning.

>>17177207
I know that Mori are not selling dream in the first place, that why i said she in a group that selling dream, not her doing it. When you in a group that marketing something, you are to be expected to sell it too or at least have that group standard, in Mori case it an "idol" standard. Granted that she, and the rest of EN branch are not expected to be or have a really low expectation, for the "idol" standard, but there are still a line, and Mori crossed that line, multiple time. The facts that when she did cross that line multiple time in the pass but nothing really happened to her should show you that how low the standard for the EN branch it. Why is this time different you asked? Well, she step too far form that line.

To be clear, im not a Unicorn or Idolfag, all i said up their are form experiences with the time i spend interact with them back in /jp/ and now /vt/

>>17177464
Then you're a cuck or a secondary. It is up to you to make a judgement about whether your oshi seems trustworthy. You are correct that it is usually difficult to prove one way or the other. At the end of the day, the relationship between idol and fan is one of trust. If they betray that trust, their career is usually over.

>>17177548
>>17177640
That post was saying anything breaking a roleplay delusion is bad when the entire intention is to roleplay.
What I was saying was that it's paradoxical to engage in a roleplay that barely constitutes roleplay to begin with.

Is it truly roleplay if you're roleplaying yourself but the only difference is you have blonde hair? If yes, then the rp delusion itself is flawed inherently.

>>17177705
No, it's sad and pathetic that you and other virgins engage with a fake relationship with women who aren't virgins but pretend they are for the purpose of them gaining money and you gaining momentary fleeting happiness while the whole delusion of it being roleplay is shattered by their roleplay being slight on their side and fully on yours.

>>17177762
>It is up to you to make a judgement about whether your oshi seems trustworthy
Yeah, and that's what I did with Mori and dropped her. Man some of you are so mad you're swinging in all directions.

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>>17177740
And if you are truly want to know more, you need to set yourself back and look in the eyes of the unicorn, the puppeteer can act like herself with the puppet all she want, at the end of the day when she step out of the curtain and stand right next to her puppet, and then asked a unicorn with one are the "Mori", the unicorn will pick the lifeless puppet 100% of the time every time.

>>17177207
>>17177976
Wrong reply

>>17174363
There's no arguments or discussion to be had here.
Anons already admitted it's unhealthy but do it anyway.
You have nothing to say after that, the admission is already there.

>>17177916
And i thinks that is what multiple vtuber agency are for. The one like Vshojo and Niji are for the viewers that do not care about the act. And Hololive are for the one that are looking for dream(well, they original selling dream anyway, not much now day). It sad and pathetic, yes, but the unicorn literally paying for their dream product, so like any customer they will be mad when that product are, defected. The problem is, since Hololive are originally the agency that selling dream, they attract alot of unicorn(hence explain the top spot in Vtuber market.)

>>17177916
damn you actually sound like a patetic cuck. cant belive it.

>>17177774
No idiot. I did not say that. I said the avatar is there to facilitate MINOR roleplay elements. It's broken all the time. Whenever Ayame says "watashi" intsead of "yo" or pekora forgets to say peko, these are "breaking the roleplay", but no one gives a shit. Having a boyfriend doesn't ruin the roleplay. It ruins the relationship between idol and viewer.
The roleplay aspect is there because they are not using there own names and it's fun. They are not real cat girls or dragons or half-elves. The character is an avatar and can be whatever, but their personality is the same as their roommate. If you had watched any of them before Hololive, you would know this.

>>17174363
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>>17177774
Anyone who says something different than this >>17177157 while claiming to be a unicorn is simply larping. Either that, or they are confused when it comes to the terminology. The character is an avatar for the roommate. unicorns and gachikoi are in love with the person behind the character not the character itself. This is why you cannot replace the "VA" for the character. They are the same thing.

Here are the two relevant terms:
A UNICORN is a viewer who only wants to watch pure women. The streamers they support must be virgins. Antis will say pure women do not exist just like a unicorn doesn't exist. That is where the name comes from. It was originally an insult.
Unicorns do not want to see or interact with used goods. A unicorn will not watch women stream if they have a boyfriend. Again remember there is no distinction between character and roommate so this applies to both. Streaming with men almost always upsets unicorns, but some do not mind as long as there is no flirting and it is clear they are not fucking.

A GACHIKOI is someone who has romantic feelings for the streamer. A gachikoi may or may not be a unicorn. In other words, if they're not a unicorn but they are a gachikoi, they probably don't mind if the streamer is not a virgin, but they will certainly be upset if it turns out the streamer is hiding a boyfriend or has a current relationship. Unless the gachikoi is a cuck, they will almost never want to see their oshi streaming with or interacting with men. After all, if you are in love with someone, but you never get to talk to them one-on-one, or laugh at their jokes in person, or play games with them, or tease them, then what sane person would want to watch another man get to do those things?

I have a genuine question to unicorns.
What exactly about males existing in the same locale as your oshi activates your reality check? You already live in the world that has almost nothing in common with reality, why do you have to leave it? Why can't you just delude yourself into believing that offending male simply doesn't exist? It would be trivial compared to the work you've already done, and much cheaper in terms of emotional investement.

>>17174363
>Live 2d girl
>just a character
Yes anon that's the premis unless you think Subaru is real in which case take meds

>>17179733
I don't watch flesh male streamers why the fuck would I want them 2d or otherwise stepping in and ruining my fantasy? What are you retarded or do you not understand the concept of a fantasy?

>>17179733
>Like, can't you just pretend the girl you like isn't flirting with another dude? Just look the other way while it happens. What's wrong with you?
What do you mean by reality check? Unless they're an actual schizo, unicorns aren't some kind of delusional larper like you seem to think.
I don't mind Holostars existing. In fact, I hope they do well. They seem like nice guys and their audience seems to enjoy them.
That said, I don't want my oshi to stream with them because it sucks having to see the girl you love flirt and talk to another guy when you don't really even get to do that yourself.

>>17180167
Subaru is an avatar used by a real woman. Subaru's fans are fans of that woman while the live2D "character" is secondary. Stop being a delusional faggot.

>>17180285
I'm asking why do them stepping in has to ruin your fantasy? Why can't you just fantasize a little bit harder and pretend they simply don't exist?

>>17180475
He's a confused idiot. Stop replying to him. There is no fantasy.

>>17180346
>unicorns aren't some kind of delusional larper like you seem to think
This entire board disproves this statement.

>>17180475
Anon, if I'm getting a lap dance it's really hard to ignore a man walking into the room and rubbing on the girl.

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>>17180475
If some one has to actually explain how something ruins a fantasy its because you lack the basic sort of imagination required to think beyond basic shapes and ideas not my problem its yours

Normalfags laughs at unicorns and say how they are there for entertainment and don't have feelings for the vtubers but every comment in chat they do is some kind of flirting or asking for attention.

>>17174363
>> unicorns are obssessed with the illusion that the live2D girl on the screen is a character
>>always justify sperging out by saying it doesnt matter what she does off-camera as long as she keeps the character on-stream

They never do that retard.

>>17180855
He's a deadbeat thats still seething because his oshi got caught in 1080p shilling a sheep shagger please anderstand

>>17180723
Yet you're able to casually ignore existence of tens of thousands other viewers?

>>17180767
There is no fantasy. You either like the streamer or you don't. No one only likes the "character". Otherwise they could just replace Coco's "VA", the Game-bu collapse wouldn't have happened, and Kizuna Ai would still have different people voicing her.

>>17180475
You need rape correction.

>>17181700
Fantasize about it

>>17181098
Other viewers have the same level of access to the streamer (you) do.
Another male streamer has more intimate access.

Why is this discrepancy ignored?

>>17181451
You are retarded.
You can like their character (when defined as the act they pit on) and not care about the person.
Plenty manage to differentiate.

>>17181931
>act that they put on
>talk about things going on in their real life.
I'm just going to copypaste my response to another retard like you from the other thread.

If what you're saying is truly how you feel, then you shouldn't have a problem if they change the "VA" to someone else, right? As long as they could find someone with a similar voice who's able to emulate your streamer's personalty, you would still love the character right? However, I suspect that isn't true, and instead, you are just too dumb to understand what it is you actually enjoy.

>>17182076
Because your hypothetical is impossible.
The same voice and similar mannerisms but too much would be different.
However you mistakingly assert the character they play is them.
You wouldn't enjoy saruman so much if it wasn't played by Christopher Lee, but they are obviously not the same person.

The character is the roommate and the roommate is the character.
While people enjoy Christopher Lee's portrayal of Saruman, no one is going to be upset if someone else plays him, especially now that Chrisopher Lee is dead. Just like how no one is really upset when there's a new actor portraying Batman or Spiderman. But that's not what vtubers are. This isn't a movie or a tv show. There is no performance. These are real people, with real personalities often talking about the goings on of their real life. You sound like a schizo that doesn't watch vtubers or understand our hobby.

>>17182237
>>17182692

>>17182692
>Christopher Lee
Ok reddit

>>17182776
They're the one that brought him up, you stupid faggot. >>17182237

>>17182692
>the roommate is the character
Only a single holo in all these years has ever admitted to being in a relationship (matsuri) and even that was only a gf.
It's like saying a customer service worker is actually friendly and doesn't want you dead.

My point about the actor was that while the real person can determine the ability of a role their personal life doesn't hence why a Kevin Spacey character could still be regarded as good but revelations could ruin them for some.

>inb4 reddit
I need examples mouth breathers will get.

>>17183996
And look what happened to Matsuri after her June tweet and the hand incident. If they were truly separate like you suggest, those things wouldn't have mattered. Instead, her views plummeted, she lost her gachikoi and unicorns, and her superchat revenue was decimated.

>>17177916
>it's sad and pathetic
It's sad and pathetic to pretend you're a woman when you will never be one

>>17177916
>pretend
The virginity rate for Japanese men and women aged 18-30 in japan is 40%
https://www.ipss.go.jp/ps-doukou/j/doukou15/doukou15_gaiyo.asp
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/20/asia/japanese-millennials-virgins/index.html

unicorns / gachis / obsessive control freaks.
How can you like your oshi when you can't even trust her?

>>17184666
You need rape correction.

>>17177774
>That post was saying anything breaking a roleplay delusion is bad when the entire intention is to roleplay.
He didn't say any such thing. Learn English before posting here.

>>17184666
I trust her, even if she did there's not a single hint that she may be into something of that sort, that's enough for me, the moment the opposite happens then I'm gone

>>17182908
I dont care

>>17181098
The male vtuber collabing with my oshi can have an entire hour of her attention without giving her superchats or really even competing with viewers for attention. Viewers usually compete with thousands of others, sending money in the hope that she gives them a few seconds of her attention in one stream.

>>17180475
>watch some anime
>surprise NTR arc appears
>"well, why can't you fantasize harder and pretend it didn't happen?"

>>17185568
I think we might be arguing with women...

>>17184279
That you mention Matsuri while ignoring my point about Spacey covering that exact matter shows disengenuity.
They must be significantly different for such a reveal to cause any drama.

Why do you ignore that literally everybody else acting and pretending to be something they aren't doesn't create a separate persona?

Tell me this.
How many holos do you think go outside and act like they do on stream?

>>17185508
And will have offline attention too.
Niji's basketball incident shows the flaws of this.

>>17184603
you don't understand
if they're whores, everyone has to be a whore

>>17185881
>Holos
>go outside

Come back after you've watched streams, faggot.
And your death of the author argument is retarded when it's literally the author that's talking to you face to face.

>>17186117
>literally the author
I'll ask again, do you think the way service workers act towards you is how they feel?

You actually need to take your meds if you think they act that way outside, it's no big secret people act differently at work than in private.