/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

whos the one in the bottom middle?

A collab will only ever be allowed to happen when StarsEN burns up in flames and they need somebody to leech from. Hololive won't ever allow THEIR viewers to go to Nijisanji, just the other way around. It's why all of the Nijisanji/Hololive collabs lately have occurred on Nijisanji channels.

only kiara x pomu. keep everyone else apart, especially keep deadbrapper away from my precious nijis

Honestly? I don't think it would work out; they way they talk to each other, and the stuff they talk about, just doesn't mix together well. I mean, can you imagine, say, Pomu asking Mori if she eats dicks like she's in a hot-dog eating contest? Or Elira asking Gura if Reflect is a twerkable song?

>>17148374
I hope NijiEn ban the collab for real this time. But I doubt they will do it because Nijisanji is too nice unlike holoscum.

>>17148300
it would be the ultimate cringekino
i want it badly, add in obsydia too, big collab game

hopefully never

>>17148661
>Pomu asking Mori if she eats dicks like she's in a hot-dog eating contest? Or Elira asking Gura if Reflect is a twerkable song?
Holy shit imagining how the Myth girls would react to these makes me grin in anticipation. When """actual""" chaos meets order. Though I agree, a collab with them is extremely unlikely just because of how different they are.

>>17148376
this. Kiara and Pomu seems genuinely excited over the idea. Anyone else would be weird before Kiara-Pomu collab.

If nijisanji can afford to pay random twitch streamers their fees to react to Niji Clips surely they can afford the Holo collab fee right? Why havent they done it?

>>17148956
woah, how'd she do that?

>>17149155
this keeps getting asked over and over again, it's obvious that holo management (omegatranny or otherwise) sees NijiEN as their enemy.

>>17149325
But why? Maybe now with the Nijimales breaking new ground, but back during the Lazusydia days, Hololive was massively more successful, and it was clear that the NijiEN branch was a mere copy. There's not a single rrat of harm they could've caused to any member of that branch, no more than Vshojo, that's for sure.

For me, it's Elira and Ina

>>17148376
>>17149037
Ame is also a possibility. The only ones that didn't interact with NijiEN iirc is Gura and Ina.

>>17149438
Omega does not want HoloEN viewers to become aware of their direct competition on the same platform. A collab would make their viewers aware of NijiEN, maybe check out NijiEN, and maybe possibly switch to NijiEN.
This isn't a problem with Vshoujo because the (important) Vshoujo talents have been around for a long time already, are on a different platform, and provide a much different experience from HoloEN and NijiEN.

>>17149532
There's only one Niji I'd wanna see her collab with

>>17149728
The autism in this picture is too much for me.

>>17148956
this is fake and gay

>>17149797
>ISREAL

>>17149438
NTA but you seem genuinely interested and doing this in good faith. How many Holofans do you think even know about NijiEN? How many Holofans do you think have even tried watching NijiEN? Just from numbers, there isnt that big of an overlap between the two groups especially when their streams overlap.

And you said it yourself, "during the Lazusydia days, Hololive was massively more successful". No one is arguing that they arent, no one is saying the NijiEN will mog HoloEN. But you cant deny that by having a HoloEN collab with NijiEN, NijiEN will get a huge boost of exposure. Now think for yourself, is that a good thing for HoloEN? Free advertisement for your competition? No. So whos more likely to block a potential collab between the two companies? The one currently controlling the western market, or the newly established one?

Also, if you were just shitposting and reply with "But the NijiEN girls arent even good enough for people to jump ship and try them out" fuck you company-watcher.

I want it to happen so bad just so that holonormies discover how fun and talented nijiEN is.

I have stumbled upon countless normalfags who literally think myth is the only en vtuber group that exists and its kind of depressing.

>>17150021
normalfags don't even know vtubing exists. i assume you mean casual viewers. also kek at all the newfags who don't know the history between niji and holo.

>>17149728
honestly this would be fun. But I stand my ground. If this is gonna happen, Ame Mysta should happen 2nd. Kiara Pomu should be first.

>>17149651
>>17149967
This will turn out to be in NijiEN's favor in the end. They are growing slowly but steadily and gaining more and more traction. They have already formed their own unique viewerbase and brand culture. If Cover had allowed for more collabs at the start, the NijiEN's identity would have been more influenced by HoloEN's. But as things are going, collabs will be inevitable. And when they happen Hololive fans will not be briefei on an upstart group of talents but a completely reasonable alternative.

>>17150389

yeah i mean casual chuuba viewers, I even showed one of them a reimu clip and they asked me "I dont remember this holo debuting yet" and was bewildered when I explained them about the existence of nijisanji.

>>17149824
no way

>>17150389
When I first got into vtubers, I thought Kagura Mea was a Holo.

>Pomu and Kiara collab never

GOD DAMMIT

>>17149492
That would be based and comfy.

>>17149967
>How many Holofans do you think even know about NijiEN? How many Holofans do you think have even tried watching NijiEN? Just from numbers, there isnt that big of an overlap between the two groups especially when their streams overlap.
You... You're joking, right? Because if you were there during their debut, just a single look at NijiEN's community and chat would tell you that most of them were HoloEN refugees, current or former, looking for something familiar-but-new from "that other company", like a Coke addict trying out Pepsi for the first time out of curiosity.

There were SO. MANY. FUCKING memes ported directly from Hololive (YABE, bottom left, ogey, etc.), all the early clips would feature Hololive soundbites and memes because the clippers had zero point of reference for Niji memes. Hell, I remember Elira talking about Iago from Aladdin, and chat started spamming about "YAGOO?" because it sounded the same. I bet you most of those people couldn't name even a dozen of the JP bigshots. Of course, they've developed their own culture over time, one different from both HoloEN AND NijiJP, but you're out of your goddamn mind if you think there wasn't "that big of an overlap" between the two groups at one point.

>>17150795
this
>Niji EN play minecraft
>sees rabbit
>chat "PEKORA!"
>kill sheep in minecraft
>"nooo pomu killed watame"

>>17150795
>like a Coke addict trying out Pepsi

>>17150917
Hey, as a Coke/DocP shill, I find myself preferring Pepsi on some days. It's not as sweet as Coke, but I tend to stay away from super-sugary drinks unless I've had a really stressful work day or something and need to distract my brain for a few minutes, so on a more casual day, I'd take Pepsi.

>>17150795
hello I'm back, anon from >>17149325

just wanna say that this huge overlap is (back to the issue at hand) the reason why Holo is clearly the ones blocking any chance of NijiEN-HoloEN collab.

>>17150795
There was a big overlap in viewerbases back then, but it's not like /all/ HoloEN fans knew of NijiEN's existence. And the majority still don't.
Plus, the overlap has definitely been decreasing as NijiEN has been growing. I remember early on, how some NijiEN streams would tank in viewers the moment a HoloEN started streaming. Nowadays, it doesn't happen as much, and not to as severe of a loss.

>>17150795

I think OP's point (the one saying "How many Holofans do you think even know about NijiEN") was that only 5% of Hololive Fans regularly watch Niji or know about them. most others are just "I love vtubers but only watch hololive" and if provided with a NijiEN alternative that seems good, might switch since we all have limited free time.

but your point, is that 100% of Niji fans are Hololive fans, former or current.
there's a huge overlap or there's none, depending on which way you look at it, both are kinda true. I'm too lazy to actually draw this in a graph.

I don't know if this is right way to think about it, but I look at Kiara. Kiara mentions Pomu more than enough, but when I look at their numbers I'm not perceiving an increase in Pomu and decrease in Kiara. I think anyone who watches Kiara's streams knows Pomu exists and most simply don't care.

>>17150795

Its interesting that the chat of nijiEN and holoEN are as opposite as night and day nowdays, a holoEN chat usually just parrots what the streamer said and spams emotes and random holo references (lol that duck is subaru! lol a cheese i bet bae cause she is a mouse oh no she is lactose intolerant lmao!)

meanwhile in nijiEN chat I remember people trying to do the same for them with jokes like "lol elira is a dragon!" during the first weeks, then it changed and nowdays is basically people actually having a more grounded conversation with the streamer (because nijis actually read and reply to chat every couple of minutes) and constant banter of chat trying to bait them into ironic jokes or topical memes that you will never ever hear in a holo stream.

>>17150795
>>17150889
While most of Lazulight's fanbase came from HoloEN it doesn't mean that all 20-30k of Gura's viewers or of the other girls know about NijiEN. My friend only knew about NijiEN when a flip debuted. My college weeb group only knew about them once Luxiem exploded. Them collabing will give more exposure to the casuals of Hololive of what NijiEN is.

>>17151327
The majority of the time Kiara only brings up Pomu during her superchat readings, which only her dedicated fans typically stick around for. Plus, Kiara and Pomu's stream times rarely overlap, so there won't be as much of a change of viewership between them.

>>17151327
This is also why (I'll shit on holo management every time I can) it's a stupid decision to ban collabs between them.

to be fair on the shitty managers, maybe they're afraid of "easy access" though.

For example. if you see gorgeous art on /vt/, you wouldn't search the art tags just to like the original tweet, right? What you'd do is probably wait until some anon gives link to the post, or ask for a link yourself. That's more convenient. We all choose to do easy stuff and walk the path of the "least resistance".

Same thing with what you said. Kiara mentions Pomu, but there's no change in Pomu's numbers. Because KFP are too lazy to actually search the name on youtube. But once a collab happens, there will be a lot less mental resistance in them to simply click the link that's directly below the title that goes to Pomu's channel. Especially because once a collab happens, they might enjoy what Pomu says or how she acts, and they'll be much more likely to subscribe. Compared to a simple passing mention from Kiara, a collab is a different thing entirely.

>>17148661
>>17148970
Pomu wouldn't do that, she's a reasonable, sweet girl. She just despises Nina, because Nina is a whore.

>>17148300
selena and gura would be frikkin poggers

>>17149651
This is so dumb, most are already aware.
At least Kiara fans know of Pomu for sure with how often they interact.

>>17152059
Cool, then there shouldn't be any issue with letting them collab, right Omega?

>>17148300
That will benefit NijiEN greatly. For Myth, they receive nothing. If the market is not saturated, they can do that to draw in new audience. But that time is long gone.

>>17148300
>5v3
that's not fair anon. add Mysta and Vox, they're the main NijiEN draw right now

>>17151434
Do you know why Petra's chat always bully her? Is it really toxic bully or just banters?

>>17152122
>For Myth, they receive nothing.
They look less like a gilded cage.

>>17152206
Petra would speak her mind if she's really not liking it. I think she is, to some degree, still able to take it as fun banter. So as fans, we still continue to bully her just for fun.

No ! stop begging Nijisanji

>>17149532
Lmao what? Ame, together with Gura are the biggest tribalists in HoloEN. They are the ones who willingly move their special streams to overlap with NijiEN debuts.

>>17152206

its just banter, the bullysanji meme is that 80% of niji interactions are one trying banter with the other one (in a fun way), there is no real bullying going on.

Petra tried to be really seiso and actually got kind of scared of chat during her first streams but eventually embraced it when she got more accostumed to how the rest of nijiEN is, nowdays she is much more quick on catching up banter and speaking more unhinged too.

>>17148300
Not paying that collab fee Riku, so get the fuck off /vt/ and make another NijiEN Gen to dilute the previous talents viewer's.

>>17149438
>But why?
It's simple. They are not so retarded to think "wow, holo has much more subs and ccv so they'll be unreachable forever". They see the recline. They see the magical "-42%" number.

>>17151847
Exactly! Just because a name is brought up on a stream, people wont get interested in said person. Kiaras fans would know Pomu by name, but not by personality and (as their job necessitates) entertainment value. Why would they bother checking them out if they only recognize Pomu as the certain forest fairy, who is friends with Kiara, and have talked with one another off stream? Thats nice to know, but not enough to make someone check them out. On the other hand, a collab guarantees that people see a peek of what there is to see in another streamer (if it goes well) thus making it more likely that people who enjoyed the collab will check out the their channels.

>>17152375
I mean it could be management, Ame has liked Pomu's tweets (She also replied i think but i don't remember), and i think she mentioned her once due to the walfie emotes on stream. Ina and Gura on the other hand have never mentioned them i think.

>>17148300
Will never happen as long as their VirtuaRea overlords are around.

>>17152122
>market saturated
This is dumbest meme that Holobronies always keep parroting. If Nijisanji, Hololive, VSPO, 774, etc etc can share market of only one country, why En cannot share the same market which is the whole world? There is no market saturation in En scene, only market monopoly by Hololive.

>>17153285
You don't notice the drop in live view? Pandemic is ending and people have less time to watch vtuber
>>17152239
The same can be said with NijiEN and Vshojo

>>17153558
And yet Nijisanji, Vspo and 774 manage to have 3, 4 and sometime 5 digits. Especially VSPO who is the emerging top company. Remember they only have one country to channel their view from.

>>17151600
Exactly. The only reason Holofans on this board think most Holofans outside this board are aware of alternatives because they forget they are stuck on this board with all the other vtubers so there more visibility than on YouTube.

>>17153558
>The same can be said with NijiEN and Vshojo
But NijiEN and VShojo have collabed with so much more people outside their own companies than HoloEN has ever done. Just recently too, Rosemi had a collab with Pikamee, Ironmouse, and GirlDM.

>>17148300
Is it actually possible for them to get along? Hololive is filtered and heavily controlled and the Nijisanji girls don't shy away from swearing every 5 seconds while having actual banter that doesn't feel like they had to plan it out before the stream. The personalities don't mix at all.

I look at people like Pomu and Selen and then I look at people like Ina and Watson. That shit just doesn't work.

>>17153558
>The same can be said with NijiEN and Vshojo
They have collabed with Iron Mouse and Project Melody. Pikamee a few times from VOMS. Hina Misora and Lailia from WACTOR. Shiki three different occasions from PRISM. That among other indie vtubers and non-vtubers like RPR and IPN. This is still all done within less than a year. This isn't even mentioning their ability to get game permissions as well.

>>17153875
EN market is saturated, JP is not. Most jp don't watch eigo chubba

>>17154777
I'm not convinced.

>>17154777
>en market of 7 billion peoples is saturated, JP market of 125m people is not.

>>17149438
>Nijien branch was a mere copy
>The copy starts making impromptu collabs from the very beginning.
>Holoen urgently copies the behavior of the copy and starts making impromptu collabs

>>17154968
Jesus Christ. You don't even know who is the target audience

>>17155422
Number of weeb in NA, SA, SEA and China still outnumber otaku in Japan. Where the fuck do you think number in Hololive came from? Niji En still still manages to get 4 digit number despite monopoly from Hololives. And Luxiem prove that the market can still grow. Remember, most ironic weeb and casual dont know Vtubers outside Hololive and Vshoujo exist.

>>17148300
kys beggar

NijiEN shills oh nyo

Pomu-Kiara is blocked.

>>17148300
The most plausible rrat why NijiEN x Hololive collabs are not happening is because NijiEN has chinks as their talents (Selen and Enna).

>>17155397
>Holoen urgently copies the behavior of the copy and starts making impromptu collabs
No, it had nothing to do with that and everything to do with Council not being nearly as fucking autistic as Myth.

>>17159026
>it's okay for Nijisanji to hire Hong Kong independence supporters and say Taiwan many times but somehow they cannot collab with Hololive.

Nah, i dont want this collab anymore, nijisanji is fine

>>17159068
>autistic
What a pathetic excuse. If you can’t find an excuse for indifference to colleagues, you can simply call them autistic.
Also, impromptu collabs began to appear even before the council's debut.

>>17159026
nijifags just stay losing