/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1693044
Wait I thought holoEN was dead, what happened??

>>1693044
Too much maths, carry on without me

tldr

>>1693044
Kiarafags seething right now when they claim about gura's dead subs lol

>>1693044
>>1693593
>>1693624
>>1693642
Gura cope thread. Pekora and Marine despite having less subs constantly BTFO her. Marine got a million views for one video in just one day, something Gura WILL NEVER be able to do. Cope.

>>1693667
>Marine got a million views for one video in just one day
Lmao it wasn't marine who got brought in those views. Unironically it was sans.

>>1693044
Damn Tokyo Ghoul stomps most of the million subs there

>>1693044
What does it matter when the best chuubas are indies and smol companies that have actual soul and interact with chat

>>1693720
Except there have been many other Holos and vtubers in general who played that part and didn't get those amount of views in that short of a time span. C O P E

>>1693667
Ah yes the never ending my oshi has more views than your oshi haha you lose

>>1693642
his favorites stopped looking so good on the measures everyone actually cares about so he invented some conspiracy about the numbers not being accurate and convoluted new way to measure the numbers that make them look better

>>1693044
Very good chart, and uses the metric I would use generally when we don't have streamer only info, which is views/time. Taking out short skits, covers, mengen, and private is also a good choice.

Only complaints I have are the curation for some time sections that are very clear outliers, especially the <1h section. お役目 streams, outfit reveals, etc. should also be not be included when your sample size is too small. They might average out evenly if you have a larger amount of normal videos, and included every special event, but it makes a clear impact on a size of ~25 videos. Also not faulting your for this one, since it's hard to look up the history of each video, but some videos also have much higher view counts due to outside promotion or influence. You can make an argument for including these and not including other stuff, but like I said, better to take out outliers with a small sample size. Lize's <1h, Kuzuha's <2h, Pekora <1h, Coco's <1h, Marine's 1h-2h, etc.

Also, I'm not clear on what your criteria was for highlighting a box.

>>1693736
I'm not a chumbud, I'm just pointing out the truth. Kanata got a massive boost in numbers when she started fighting sans.

>>1693720
>it wasn't marine who brought in those views
Sans was there for the other girls too, they didn't get over a mill in a day. So yeah it was Marine.

>>1693794
Oh right, also if anyone does want to take it to another level again, it might be useful to somehow incorporate collabs on someone else's channel into their own, maybe through some function of the other person's channel's average views. You might also want to just include every special event if you do this.

>>1693044
All of Hololive isn't declining at the same time?

>>1693044
>chumbaby clicks on stream
>click like and share with his reddit tranny friends
>gets bored after five minutes and fuck off
>still counting as muh views
holocope

>>1693044
forgot miko and fbk

>>1693980
>Haachama hasn't streamed in over 2 weeks
>Still gaining 10k/week

>>1693794
And stuff I forgot is that taking views/time is good for trying to get number of unique viewers, but you have to take into account the live concurrent viewer chart if you want to try to get a sense of time/impression.

Also the Youtube filtering western viewers thing still sounds ridiculous. Some Nijis without significant overseas audience also had their live concurrent reduced, while some other Japanese streamers had their count stay pretty much untouched. The most likely reason is still "spam viewers", as in they simply got rid of people opening too many streams at once to inflate numbers, or people opening multiple copies of the same stream from different browsers/devices.

>>1693999
Ask me how I know you didn't read a single thing.

>>1694016
It would have been higher if she hadn't private her haachama lore vods

>>1693794
May as well only count solo streams

Live views don't matter because no human being that matters has the time to sit and watch a whole stream live regularly

>>1693794
Yup, I just thought finding and taking out the promos, 3ds etc was too much work, and they are rather common, when you see months as whole.
Personally I would ignore the <1h and the total average columns, because of things such as what you said.
green highlights are the tops avgs of each column. Stronger green means further on the top. Although I may have missed someone, I didn't really recheck everything

>>1693811
didn't the game creator advertise marine or something of the sort?

FINALY MY FETISH HAS BEEN CATERD TO IM GONNA NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBER FUCK BRO SO MANY STATISICS I CANT HOLD MY CUM

>>1693727
>700k subs male hold his ground around million+ subs girls with only japanese audience
I knee nijichad

>>1693044
The only number that matters is revenue and even that only matters to the chuuba

>>1693044
Based shark and schizo

ALL NUMBERFAGS NEED TO PROVE THEIR LOAYALTY TO NUMBERS SUBMIT A CUM TRIBUTE TO YOU NUMERAL OSHI OR YOU ARE A FAKE FAN

>>1694239
>The only revenue that matters is from the merch sold

>>1693667
I know this is bait, but Gura has over 16 different million view videos all of which are actual stream VODs aside from her 2 mil karaoke and her debut. That's over 6 more than Marine who has the second highest at 10 videos and when counting only stream VODs is 10 more than Pekora who is at number 2 with 4 streams one of which is Peko mama reveal.

>>1693044
Oho I'm saving this

>>1693044
Now this is good numberfagging.
But as mentuoned above shit like skits and mini videoa might need to be removed and would be better to this on month by month basis to see a trend.

>>1694239
And where is that number you retard

>>1693044
>5.367 2.650 1.441 1.167 0.887
Shioncha actually mogs many of those listed

>tfw you're just glad your oshi is doing well

>>1694016
It's retards making sockpuppet accounts in a vain attempt to make her feel better. MASSfags are on her now.

>>1698474
>MASSfags are on her now
that's a bad omen..

>>1693044
>Ina has the 2nd best numbers in EN regarding viewership
GO INA GO

>>1693044
VODs are important too
I'm an EUfag and most of the times I can't tune for Gura and I watch her VODs instead for example.
I guess this is more an issue for Gura and Gura only than other Holos (since JPs can always watch JP Holos, obviously) and I don't know how many EUfags are like me and watch VODs but anyway.
You could also use SCs I guess, but that's an entire other argument. That's like "How many viewers are willing to pay", and I bet Kiara/Rushia bet literally everyone on that (Rushia for obvious reasons, Kiara because even if she somehow has shit viewerbase she has godlike SC earnings. Basically every single one of her viewers donate).

>>1693667
Nutsagi I knew I would find you here, now where’s my $100?

>>1694016
That's nothing special when even Shion and Ayame are getting 10k a week.

>>1698246
>>1698542
Takos are a extremely loyal bunch due to their relentless fanatism.

>>1698648
>>1698474
>dominates half the roster literally without trying and her best content privated
>don't know what the fuck MASS is but they also kneel
The incline continues

>>1698619
I assume the chart is counting vods, or else the numbers would be much lower. Don't know why OP circled viewers at end of stream instead of total viewers though.

>>1698755
>best content
>don't know what MASS is
Hello literal 1 month old newfag.

>>1698931
ogey rreddit

yea the chart uses the vods, no it doesnt count skits and mini videos
new version on picture. I checked a bunch others chuubas (eg. pika, uto, mio, kizuku, etc), most weren't worth adding because numbers were too low.

last month monthly views

>>1694194
He made a tweet AFTER she beat Sans hinting that he was watching the stream.

>+ 50m

>>1693044
All that picture tells me is that Gura has shit viewer retention with adhd monkeys jumping in and out of the stream looking for something exciting to happen.

>>1693794
>>1694161
I think taking out the promos is not appropriate, as it is a factor of how invested the company is on this oshi. While it might not be the perfect translation for their worth, it represents the corporate interest in the talent.

>>1700629
What's that? Earnings? Holy fuck Cover.

>>1700629
You would think people would try to be more honest in the proper numbers thread after the effort OP went through.

Source is https://twitter.com/v_powerbalance?lang=cs.. The numbers for that week are showing negative due to him removing Gibara.

>>1700725
In order on top its Company Name, Number of Channels, Number of Videos, Number of Subs, Number of Views.

>>1700654
C O P E

>>1701103
sounds like you're the one coping here bud.

>>1700629
>Hololive only 32 channels
so without including overseas branches like Holo ID and Holo EN

>>1694053
Only thing ridiculous is you thinking there are enough people "opening multiple streams" to cut live viewership in half.

>>1700629
>upd8
Doesn't exist anymore, are they just counting former upd8 affiliates?

I'm inclined to believe whatever you say because only someone truly dedicated would bother crunching those numbers for absolutely no personal gain whatsoever.
And on that note, you should really find a better use of your time and skills.

>>1698724
We're ina cult after all, a tentacult!

>>1693044
Numberfagging will never end, anon. The more effort you put into trying to debunk an idiot, the more effort the will give to completely ignore all the evidence and move the goalposts.
Bravo to you regardless. It's nice to see someone actually doing their research

>>1693980
Youtube as a whole is reclining a bit.

>>1700178
May as well only count solo video because collab vid is usual leech

i will never understand serious numberfags

>>1702306
As long as it isn't conflating numbers with whether or not a vtuber is better than the other, the topic can be interesting when looking at trends etc.

>>1693044
That means Hachama is the strongest?

>>1701929
This is after a month. You don't think her huge numbers at the start just had people who weren't very interested after a few more streams?

Why are you conveniently leaving out her Dec. 8 stream prior to the bug that has her at 34,226 and her Dec. 11 one at 29,585? Not to mention the bug supposedly occurred prior to Dec.4, yet Gura's Ringfit on the 5th still managed to hit close to 60k viewers.

Once again, why do you numberfags want your oshi to be at the top? That just means her chat is that much worse

>>1693044
Chumchad I kneel

>>1693044
so what i'm getting from this is that kiara fans shitpost disproportionately compared to the other en fanbases

>>1693727
>>1694222
Proof that women are unfunny and boring whores who should never be infront of a camera unless there's a penis involved. Men will ALWAYS reign supreme regardless of the competition, it's basic biology.

>>1702932
>/vt/ polls show people think Kiara is the worst EN and has the worst fanbase
>kfpfags spams the board with 50 chikin threads after their indog boogeyman got disproven
should've been obvious desu

>>1703109
I know you're shitposting, but Mito has a better ratio than Kuzuha. If you ratio it with subs, a lot of Niji's would probably be doing better than Kuzuha. Just that ratioing it with subs doesn't exactly produce any useful information beyond how many dead subs someone probably has, and it doesn't take a sheet to figure that out.

>>1700993
then Ninjiniggers are losing sub and views?

>>1704186
>The numbers for that week are showing negative due to him removing Gibara.

>>1693044
>>1702803
Gura has 2.39 mill subs but only 13,000 people are watching her right now. Proof of dead subs and fake hype. Lots of her jp senpai got way more viewers than her today, actually this trend has been happening for many months. Reality is a harsh mistress.

>above quotes the OP
>didn't actually read the OP

>>1706068
>Playing yourself this hard.

>schizo bug rrat that was never proven
>no reliable tracker of how many people are actually using adblock
>"compare avarage", ESL poster
lol

>>1706315
>rejecting reality to cope
Cool. The rest of the world still sees how bad she's reclined.

>>1693044
The numberfagging will never end. But nevertheless, good job on providing another type of analysis.

is 13k the lowest live viewer count she has had outside of superchat and watchalong streams?

Luigis Mansion were about that count as well

>>1706468
13k isn't even her average views for this stream, it was 11k for a lot longer. Yes, this might be her lowest. Bitch has no personality and can't entertain. Pekora played a random unpopular indie horror game a while back and got 40,000 people watching her. Personality gets views. Being boring doesn't.

>>1706468
She got around 10k iirc when she played Red Dead during Euro Hours a few months back.

I should know. I stayed up till 3 in the morning just to watch her play.

>>1701865
with foreign branches.

>numberfags comparing apples and oranges to create drama to fight their invisible enemies.

Get a real job and do something productive with your life. Your oshi will never fuck you.

>>1706814
HOLOJP has more views than EN

EN is declining

>>1706814
thanks anon

>>1693044
I am not a fan of the name "vod views//time (1000 viwews per minute of duration)" since it is actually measuring the number of new views in that time period as far as I can tell.
What are the criteria for highlighting cells the different shades of green?

>>1693044
this is pretty good actually.
as some poeple mentiones would be good to remove some less than 1hr videos. But not sure how fair that would be for some content creators that like to do shitpost and is part of their regular content. Do you have the raw data somewhere?
>>1706579
she has gotten lower, friday night is usally low numbers for the EN branch for what it looks like. Monday to wednesday is when they get more. it also depends of the content

>>1702663
i think numberfag is fine as long you are not like this guy>>1706068
It is nice trying to find trends in the girls and boyss growth.People might not have noticed but both nijisanji and hololive got enourmous growth last eyar from mapril to decemeber.
Just that holo was far greater than anyone predicted. As now most chubas are reclining with kuzahu and kanae being different but those 2 have been needing to stream twice to trice the amount as any holo or niji member.

>>1707954
those are the top 5 by colum

impressive OP

>>1706068
Reminder that its 1 schizo who's obsessed with Gura. He's made daily gura anti threads until he was banned kek

>>1711541
>parading 12,000 as if that's a good thing
Good. You gave up.

max viewers reflect the ability to attract new fans

Obviously her fanbase has been dead

Average Watch Time per Viewer calculated by total view count when stream ends divided by stream time and multiplied by max stream viewers. I would have used average stream viewers but the site I used did not have that statistic. Notice how past December all the data points abruptly drop for seemingly no reason, which people are attributing to the Youtube system flagging viewers.

>>1714097
They never donated much to her either. Her genmates beat her in SC earnings. Gura will go down as having the fakest viewerbase in Hololive history.

>>1693769
>his favorites stopped looking so good on the measures everyone actually cares about so he invented some conspiracy about the numbers not being accurate and convoluted new way to measure the numbers that make them look better
but he's right, unless you believe 400k people viewed gura's live stream in a carefully organized 17k cue, watching just enough to count, then leaving for someone new to enter. and it's not just VTubers who are seeing a suppression of live view numbers, a lot of other streamers have noticed it too.

the running theory is it's adblockers that keeps live viewers from counting; and with almost 2/3 american youtube viewers using an adblocker it disproportionately affects american vtubers.

>>1714097
>max viewers reflect the ability to attract new fans
not really ops formula is better for that since a higher user rotation, which means higher click rate, engagement and of course views. So they are the ones getting more recommended and clicked by the algorithm.

>>1714345
i think the most believable rat is YouTube queues shitting the bed for whatever they did in that month.
i still think it has to do with overseas viewers depending on the location.

>>1706068
you do know this stream started at 6am JP time on a Saturday right?

>>1714636
Unless you have a reliable tracker that confirms your theory and can reliably show how many exact people use adblocker for each stream, then this is all wishful thinking and speculation. Drop some expensive akasupas for your oshi instead of failing to white knight for her with mere theories.

>>1714763
it also on firday night which is the lowerts for youtube creators. if you belive statics.

Were wall jumps supposed to be in this game?
The fact that they are so unintuitive makes me think it's a bug

>>1714790
I always make it rain for my oushi. even drop some $$ on other girls from time to time if it's entertaining.

>>1714790
stream just ended <5 minutes ago, gura streamed for 4.5 hours, averaged 13k viewers and somehow is over 250k views.

you think 1/4 of a million people checked out a live stream in perfect 13k viewer increments over the course of 4 hours you're smoking something. and that 1/4 mil number will be up over 1/2 mil before 4 hours are up. guarantee it.

It really is annoying, because I would've thought your views count as long as you're logged in on your Google Account. But as I was listening to an indie's orison, I noticed that I didn't in fact give a view. Tried playing around with my settings and ended up going so far as to completely disable ublock, but to no avail. I suspect the issue is with Disconnect, but I refuse to disable that.

To add insult to the injury, somebody happened to give the song its weekly view right as I had completely disabled ublock, so I ended up thinking it works for a while and watched several ads triple checking things before I figured it didn't work after all. The indie is too small to be monetized, so they didn't even get the ad money. But really, would've thought being logged in counts always, adblocks or no.

>>1716632
I've soured on numberfagging as a whole because nobody knows how youtube counts anything, probably not even google themselves. Views are unreliable as fuck, divide them how you wish. Subcounts don't show realtime engagement and the longer a channel exists the worse the issue of dead subs gets. Supas seem a reliable gauge for dedicated simps but they don't correlate well with real popularity and even someone like Kiara can make herself look good by regularly reading them.

>>1714345
Same stuff but with Pekora. Also same trend as Gura with regards to December being the starting point.

Not to mention there is zero insight on paid follows outside of poll engagement...

Something that strikes me though is that youtube is not really a livestream site. It is a video site that happens to have livestreams. They are not really going to be taking advantage of their sub base if they do not publish the shorter videos that the algorithm likes to see. idk about you guys but it's very rare that any vod actually gets recommended to me even though I watch them regularly.

>>1717945
Ollie-gelion

>>1715568
It's been a couple hours since the metroid vod went up and the vod numbers barely changed. Compare that to her more recent terraria vod and she was getting +100-200k vod views a couple hours later. Either people really do not like metroid or some shit is going on.

>>1718051
I'm retarded its only been an hour since your post. We'll see in a couple more hours.

>>1717890
>>1714345
From what I can tell looking at both of these, live viewership has been cut by roughly 40% starting from December for whatever reason.

holoviewbots

>>1693667
>Gura cope thread. Pekora and Marine despite having less subs constantly BTFO her.
same with my oshi Kiara.
cumbuds are pathetic

>>1718125
Probably a bunch of banned accounts.

>>1718429
>BUT WHAT ABOUT KIARA?!?!?
KFP go and stay go.

>>1714345
>>1717890
If you make your graph a function of max concurrent viewers, and max concurrent viewers drops, then of course your graph is going to trend downwards too. Youtube having done something is obvious, considering you can check a few streams concurrent view count and see them drop like a cliff halfway through at the same time.

>>1715568
It actually doesn't take that many, which is why stream length is a usually a good determinant for views. If you keep 5k viewers, which is generous for a 4.5 hour stream, you only need your 8k viewers to have an average watch time of 10 minutes to hit 221k.

From >>1714345 chart, you can clearly see that she still has high watch times on certain streams going past 30m+. If you take her average to be 15m per viewer, she would need to have 1k viewers stay the entire time to get 221k. If you just go by his view/max, it puts her at about 16m, which is average for her streams.

If you want to form a different explanation, you need to also explain outliers such as why it's still possible for her to get high numbers even with the bug active, and why the bug seemingly targets only a subset. If you say American only, then why have Niji numbers dropped too when a majority of their audience is still Japanese?

>>1714636
Also, I'm curious, which other streamers have talked about this? I genuinely haven't seen this topic discussed anywhere at all beyond vtubers.

This board has some of the lowest quality numberfags I've ever seen.

>"Hurrr, live viewers => viewcount pipeline transition is a conspiracy"
>"Watch Time per Viewer calculated by total view count when stream ends divided by stream time and multiplied by max stream viewers"
>"views > peak concurrent live viewers zomg how"

Archived livestreams generate a large portion of traffic, and anyone who isn't showing you actual impressions, CTR, and WT is just guessing.

>>1718830
Yes, but, I can counter you with one flippant statement.
>Trusting YouTube.

>>1718830
The actual numbers are responses to OP's chart. The current responses are only in response to trying to guess what criteria Youtube is using to determine which live viewers count and which don't. There are some really dumb people on this board, but at least read the thread before posting.

Also guessing is the point, unless you have a vtuber openly showing their numbers. If they already show you their numbers there would be no point to these threads.

>>1718570
Yea, I just wanted to know how severely the change in December affects certain vtubers, and it seems to affect both EN and JP Holotubers equally. So all those theories people made about ad-block or views outside of the region of the channel's origin are false.

>>1702600
The point is, the numbers are completely unreliable, unpredictable and not a good metric anymore.

>I saw the tweet. Even now, the specialized department is working on investigation and correction. YouTube has deleted illegal views and may reduce the maximum number of simultaneous viewers (CCV) in live streaming, but if you like, please check your channel URL and YouTube Analytics screenshots for confirmation. Please share. (DeepL)

>>1719490
>illegal views
>CCV
Huh.

>>1693044
So does this mean that Coco viewers are ADHD and can't watch a video more than an hour long?

>>1719615
Wouldn't this suggest more strongly she usually streams for an hour--
Oh, I get it.
*clap clap*
NEXT MEME!

>>1719615
Her highest viewership happens during meme reviews, and those tend to be under an hour long. That's why it's so skewed

>>1719536
aka spam viewers or viewbot.

>Hi there, we've received a lot of reports about this issue. We have received a number of reports about the problem of a decrease in the number of real-time viewers, especially on VTuber channels, and we are currently working on a fix in our dedicated department. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, and thank you for your patience.

>Hello. I have a question, what happened to this case?

>I saw your tweet. We are still working with our team to investigate and fix the issue, and YouTube is deleting unauthorized views, which may reduce the maximum number of concurrent viewers (CCV) for live streams. Please share your channel URL and YouTube Analytics screenshot for confirmation.

>>1719701
I see. How rampant is it, according to the available numbers?

>>1717890
Same stuff for Kuzuha. The Youtube change doesn't even affect him. For whatever reason only Hololive dropped roughly 40%. Give me your best rrats.

>>1719814
Clippers viewbotted Hololive without their knowledge/consent so they could drive up numbers,

>>1719834
Makes sense.
>Viewbotters leech/chase clout.
>Manipulate algorithm.
>Want more views, but don't want their own numbers to be suspicious.
>Viewbot their targets.
>More popularity for clips.
>Own numbers go up.
It's like money laundering, but for views.

>>1719814
kanae,kuzuha and shibuya share similar trends. i think is becasue all of them steam twice to trice the amount of normal vtubbers for both niji and holo. I think thats the price of being mostly apex focused

>>1719887
I don't think stream length explains why popular Hololive vtubers lost 40% watchtime per viewer suddenly from December onwards while Nijitubers were unaffected.

nijizhangs seething already, they are always like this lol

>>1719942
Could you try it with mito
i just noticed something about niji streams.

>>1719814
>>1720185
Same stuff for Mito. It does seem like Mito is affected by the change on December.

>>1719701

So the incompetent company run by an out of control AI (with an endgame of killing us all so we dont create synthetics that will kill us all) is investigating what bullshit its computer overlords cooked up this time and assure you Skynet is not out of control

>>1720546
Our vampire boy is an anomaly.
Almost all of his sub 3hour streams have this trend i usually see with sub 1hrs streams. Where he gets sub100k views at the end, BUT in the next 24 hrs it increases in 200 to 300%.
Not even pekora or gura have that post stream growth and even weirder is that his likes barely increase too. There are exceptions tough but is such a trend with kuzuha that stands out. I think aqua might be a simialr new case also since some of her apex videos are similar in behavior.
if i were to take a guess would be that apex buff for good players actually softened or nullify the december change for watch time/views since people are watching their streams mostly offline.

This is sort of an aside, but consider that Miko for the few minecraft streams she has done on twitch has averaged 15-16k viewers, even going as high as 17k I believe? This number remained remarkably stable across her streaming time too, so could this be considered the core block of people who go out of their way to follow miko from youtube to twitch? Consider the first stream, which was pretty much completely guerilla, hit 15k viewers...

If so you then look at the bit of minecraft video immediately prior, and you see she had a max of about 10k viewers... are we supposed to believe that 7k new twitch viewers checked her out? If we consider that twitch has bug, then potentially ~1/3 of her regular viewers are being blocked by whatever bug youtube has...

https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/b32e97a2c34246d58739ac5fc0ca9a16/2021-03

>>1722892
youtube bug, not twitch obviously. Also 5k new viewers, the prior number was from the 2nd stream.

But the main point stands that potentially 1/3 of her normal views are not being counted on the live viewer.

Speaking of numberfagging you should watch this stream where somebody who actually knows his stuff explains how do numbers in those sheets work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfJKfMvG1rc (tl;dw from 55:35)

>>1693980
Damn Mori's doing pretty good for herself

Cope - the thread.

>>1719834
Nah, hololive's popularity has exploded everywhere. You can't viewbot fanart. The growth is real.

>>1718570
>I genuinely haven't seen this topic discussed anywhere at all beyond vtubers.
Because of the fucking retarded fanbases that makes up a vast majority of VTuber viewership. It's not enough to like someone, they need to "prove" to everyone else that the digital model they like is superior to others. This thread is a perfect example.

You rarely see this kind of shit elsewhere. Sure it pops up from time to time but in general arguments typically boil down to "no that person is a faggot fuck you." Pretty standard stuff. VTubers though? It's always either "NUMBERS NUMBERS MINE WINS" or "SOUL VS SOULLESS."

>>1723175
yeah discussing numbers is really ard becasue of fanboyism. Even if bot sides suffer from it.

>>1722892
Seems like Youtube's live view count is fucked since twitch shows the true viewer count without removing "spam viewers" (adblock, jetri, region differences, distributed systems failure. Pick your poison, its been months so don't count on it getting fixed anytime soon).

>>1723939
That person is lying about what Beatani's viewer count was on YouTube. Beatani would start her streams at like 80-100 on youtube and grow to like 160 or something.

>>1718429
this is a pretend flag

>>1722909
at least* 1/3. I doubt the casuals would even know she was streaming on twitch

her fans are too retarded and now i hope every holo girls avoids the shark bitch like a plague before they get harassed like lofi

>>1723175
>You rarely see this kind of shit elsewhere. Sure it pops up from time to time but in general arguments typically boil down to "no that person is a faggot fuck you." Pretty standard stuff. VTubers though? It's always either "NUMBERS NUMBERS MINE WINS" or "SOUL VS SOULLESS."

There are tons of arguments about subcounts, but its true that live viewers rarely get brought up.

>>1694016
>>1693044
HAACHAMA IS INDEED THE STRONGEST IDOL

>>1723991
No he wasn't

You guys care way too much about dumb shit

>>1727733
Aren't they both talking about live viewer count?

>>1693044
>>1714345
>>1717890
>>1719814
>>1720546
my take is that it happens more with streamers with a wider international audience. And they're all females. Maybe susan is jealous that our chuubas look cuter than her jewish horseface.

Is holo.poi.cat down / not working for a day now?

>>1730798
More like youtube hates you open multiple streams and view boost like the way Kpop fans did, holofans are idolfag after all, they will open multiple streams to boost the view as a sign of support the girl, you don't see it in normal vtuber agencies like niji, their vtuber's fanbases are harly overlap within company

>>1741553
check mito's again>>1720546

>>1718429
>>1703330

apply yourself.
This was embarrassing and my standards for Kiara antis are already low.

>>1742643
then why the fuck would you respond to them and bump the thread?
are KFP this retarded?

>>1727733
Did you really just screenshot the view count of a reupload of a Twitch stream? That doesn't contradict what I saw whatsoever.