/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://streamable.com/j83af1

>>16943274
Amogus

>>16943274
Stop with your shitty edit

>>16943274
oh fuck

>>16943274
Made me look you faggot.

>>16943274
ඞ

>>16943274
This is kinda dangerous. Not only fired, she can actually get arrested too. Assuming if the management team doesn't do anything about it.

>>16943440
She probably doesn't know what lean actually is and thought it meant alcohol, she mentioned being drunk elsewhere. Bit of an awkward time to find out, though.

I assume they'll give a drug test or something, and if she's negative she can just brush it up to her in-character rapper shtick. Wouldn't be surprised if she gets a suspension from Cover though.

>>16943589
>She probably doesn't know what lean actually is and thought it meant alcohol,
Deadbeats are coping overtime. Rappers use the term lean all the fucking time, she 100% knows what lean is you faggot.

>>16943440
>>16943589
>>16943649
literal texas rapper blaming acting silly on a texas rap thing. The biggest nothignburger of the night.

>>16943589
>She probably doesn't know what lean actually is
The cognitive dissonance on display is fucking impressive.

>Mori collabs with TT people
>person from TT named Connor says in his stream that people in hololive are popular not because of talent but because of brand
>fast forwarding
>member in Moris stream politely asks her to not associate with these people
>Mori insults the members and says that Connor apologised to every holoEN member
>clips of Kiara proof that this was a lie. Kiara hasn't been in contact with any of them
>she donates 50 subs to Connor on her brand new twitch account
>someone superchats "condom money for Connor"
>Mori announces that she wont read superchats anymore
>keeps talking about the drama on stream
>Mori announces that she will be streaming on twitch semi-regularly from now on
>people even in her youtube comment section are mad to her
>few days later she responds to 6 days old tweet of someone posting a comic of deadbeat getting literally cucked by Connor who is fucking Mori on the picture
>even reddit gets mad at her
>she replies to the reddit thread "can I PLEASE just have some fun. Please."
>she gets downvote bombed
>shortly after she deletes it and apologises and announces break
>says she "hit the lean hard", basically admits drug use
>Connor tweets "easy W"
>Anons realize she just confirmed getting high with codeine as drugs are rare in japan for someone as her.
>A mixture of Jolly Ranchers, Sprite, and codeine that will get you high asf.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_(drug)

SIX TRUMPET I REPEAT

SIX TRUMPET

>>16943274
Isn't lean illegal?

>>16943274
Holy fuck it's real.
https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1485120701141233666
https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1485120701141233666
https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1485120701141233666

>>16943274
Please don't involve my oshi. Keep this on the EN side.

>>16943589
thats some good copium

>>16943685
>coping this hard
Do deadbraps really?

>>16943649
>>16943686
She's a severely awkward white girl living in Japan who most likely has only heard the term in rap, and clearly dumb enough to not look it up. She also just tweeted exactly this

>>16943948
ISRAEL

>>16943948
fucking hate you

>>16943766
doomsday clock to the final yab is slowly approaching midnight

https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485152994119221248?s=20

>>16943649
the post was fake you retard

>>16944046
You're a fucking retard

>>16944194
The FBK edit is fake. The post is real.
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485138115656228864

>>16943948
its ogre...

>>16944133
>she actually browse here to wipe off all potential yabs

>>16943766
Seek professional mental help. You are not well.

>>16943948
I think something is broken, this link takes me to the wrong tweet? This one works though
https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1326355021093498880

>>16944308
>https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485138115656228864
Oh she 100% does.

>>16944685
what does she mean by surgery? does she ever talk about it lately?

>>16943334
Good God. Ange is so fucking hot.

>>16943369
kek

>>16944006
stfu unicorn, didn't you get enough drama already

>>16943274
this was good, I kek'd

>>16944120
TWOOOOO MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
THE HANDS THAT THREATEN DOOM

>>16943589
This is "walked her home gently" levels of naivety.

>>16943766
>downvote bombed on reddit
there absolute no way

>>16943948
>not the towa baby
you had 1 chance

>>16946860
Got to -18 when she deleted the post, also those defending Connor are getting downvoted too

>>16946860
Check the reddit links

Here is the whole timeline with links and sources.
>Mori collabs with TT people
>person from TT named Connor says in his stream that people in hololive are popular not because of talent but because of brand
>https://files.catbox.moe/icy78x.mp4
>fast forwarding
>member in Moris stream politely asks her to not associate with these people
>https://files.catbox.moe/lfcm82.png
>Mori insults the members and says that Connor apologised to every holoEN member
>https://files.catbox.moe/75cb93.mp4
>clip of Kiara proof that this was a lie. Kiara hasn't been in contact with any of them
>https://streamable.com/5a8uq2#
>she donates 50 subs to Connor on her brand new twitch account
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce-cR-f8TlM
>someone superchats "condom money for Connor"
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/archive/superchat/iJvbxzGh_a4.html
>Mori announces that she wont read superchats anymore
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTissHo0AM
>keeps talking about the drama on stream
>Mori announces that she will be streaming on twitch semi-regularly from now on
>people even in her youtube comment section are mad to her
>few days later she responds to 6 days old tweet of someone posting a comic of deadbeat getting literally cucked by Connor who is fucking Mori on the picture
>http://web.archive.org/web/20220123054143/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485121754624593924
>even reddit gets mad at her
>she replies to the reddit thread "can I PLEASE just have some fun. Please."
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/htukq15/
>https://files.catbox.moe/lxuexz.png
>she gets downvote bombed
>shortly after she deletes it and apologises and announces break
>https://web.archive.org/web/20220123064719/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485136066008944640
>says she "hit the lean hard"
>anons realize she just confirmed getting high with codeine as drugs are rare in japan for someone as her.
>a mixture of Jolly Ranchers, Sprite, and codeine that will get you high asf.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_(drug)
>basically admits drug use
>damage control a bit later
>https://files.catbox.moe/t7oy6q.png
>Connor tweets "easy W"
>https://web.archive.org/web/20220123071557/https://twitter.com/CDawgVA/status/1485137798512652288

>>16947140
>Easy W
I kneel.

>>16946993
Calling people out for being dumb consumers of a bad industry is really funny considering he's a huge supporter of the porn industry. Guess its only wrong because Japan does it?

>>16943274
EN was a mistake, and I'm gonna watch it fall down.

>>16943589
Yeah. and Santa definitely isn't your dad.

>>16943766
Based, /vt/niggers need to be put in their place

>>16947140
LMAO even mouse was thinking "this nigger is fucking insane"

I can't tell if that tweet is even real

>>16946993
kek
Even broken clock can be right sometimes.

calliggedon

>>16947544
It is. https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1384401726392786949

>>16947434
By...
giving us a happening?
Our place...
as the fastest board?
I don't know what to say, I'm honored.

>>16947442
That’s because ironmouse actually loved hololive in the past. Now it’s her competition so she doesn’t talk about them.

>>16945767
She has mentioned in several times on stream but never specified what it was, just that it's external and for something chronic. She keeps assuring it's minor too.

>>16947140
>easy w
wonder how his holobrony friends think about this

>>16947736
Pretty sure last year, I saw Ironmouse commenting in one of Holostars stream.

>>16947617
ISRAEL!!!!

>>16947140
>Connor tweets "easy W"
is he actually trying to mindfuck her into dropping from hololive because he's secretly jealous of her success. the "holos are talentless corporate hacks" comment was genuine, and directed at her.

>>16947140
>>16947318
>Connor tweets "easy W"
That was unrelated. He beat Ludwig at crane games.
>>16947736
She still does and talks about them on occasion. She was supposed to collab with Mori next Friday and Risu is set to appear on her talk show at some point.

Shes the rapping reaper who made a song about taking heads from haters and trolls. I dont see anything wrong with her firing back at some shitposter on twitter. Banter is what thugs do. Her fanbase is actually PR cucking her out of showing both character and real life personality.

>>16948371
>Banter is what thugs do
She's an idol, or at least she's supposed to be one. Not a thug.

>>16948111
some friend lol

>>16948418
Could have fooled me with her debut. Whats the point of being an edgy rapper but having to be bland and corporate

>>16948488
What's the point of being an edgy rapper in Hololive? She doesn't belong. Never has.

>>16948488
>Whats the point of being an edgy rapper but having to be bland and corporate
Ask the corporation she applied for.

>>16948563
Yeah maybe, I dont watch her stuff because the rapper thing doesnt appeal to me but those deadbeats on twitter and reddit are unironically dragging her down. Maybe she sees that as well and its why she wants to move to twitch and act out

>>16948611
The corporation is the one that let he be edgy. Im only seeing twitter and reddit users crying about being PR friendly.

>>16948371
Anon please explain to me how she was firing back, and I mean honestly, because I still have no clue what was going through her head.

>>16949227
Complimenting deadcuck artwork is living rent free in haters' heads

>>16943948
this >>16946911
wasted opportunity

>>16945877
It makes no sense that no one has taken her virginity yet.

>>16946993
it wouldn't surprise me if she thought the same when she joined hololive. she was always jaded with it came to the 'idol' stuff.

lol that anti is probably having a time of his life. imagine using garbage as bait and catching a marlin with it.

>>16949227
Im not saying it was a good comeback but it was clearly supposed to be one of those "yeah whatever i dont give a shit what you think" passive aggressive millennial things

>>16946993
You know it’s bad when even the Reddit hugbox is questioning your shit.

>>16947557
Wrong. A broken clock is right twice a day

>>16947736
Can confirm, she loves Noel and reacted to her clips

>>16947557
>>16950744
I still dont know how that saying goes

>>16950840
whatever time the clock is stuck showing, it will pass that time twice in a day (am/pm)

>>16950744
its actually "A broken buck akasupas twice a day"

>>16951051
Unless it’s a twenty four hour clock, in which case it’s right once a day.

>>16951161
sure but the saying is in reference to a typical analog clock

>>16943589
I'd find it easier to believe that she does know what lean is, and lied about using it took look cool.

>>16946993
>/vt/niggers brigade thread
>WHoa Look Reddit agrees with us

>>16948662
>>16948488
>>16948371
She has been moving away from being an edgy rapper for a long time m8 and has been pushing a decent amount of GFE

At least we know she checks out her R34 twitter tag.

>>16947140
Any one of these in isolation would be like whatever, but geez man do some PR training

>>16951374
I know, it’s pretty better that way since there are retards who legitimately cant read a twenty four hour clock these days.

>>16947140
https://old.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/htum0v8/

>>16946648
TWO
MINUTES
TO MIDNIGHT
TO KILL
THE RRAT IN THE WOOOOOOOOMB

I got banned 3 days ago by a janny cause I was an early Calli exposer when it's just a normal vtuber discussion.

Fuck Calli
Fuck deadbeats
and most importantly FUCK JANNIES

ps. you just KNOW the first thing calli did was call Connor to hang out and have SEX

>>16951544
I swear people were complaining she was doing the exact opposite of this months ago when the last time connor drama was around. They accused the TT people of convincing her to drop the GFE content because they thought it was sexist cringe.

>>16952051
that was defenently a manager

>>16951544
>GFE
whats that?

>antis attack Mori
>Mori turns around and starts shitting on deadbeats
kek

>>16944194
Oh no no no no no.

>>16952459
And the deadbeats in turn get mad at the people who criticizes Mori's behavior. They're destined to be cucks for the rest of their lives.

>>16952284
y'all

>>16952219
Based migofren keep fighting the good fight and fuck the jannies

>>16948563
She's supposed to be the hello kitty version of a "edgy rapping death god"

>>16943274
posting twitter screencaps should be punishable with a permaban

>>16948071
nah, its just a /vt retard trying to take more shit out of context and rille more shit, he tweeted that in context to him winning at crane games against ludwig

>>16952459
>goes on 1 month break
>roommate starts declaring shes “back” and will be more active than ever and thanking her fans for waiting

Its over deadbriefs you lost she has returned to her true fans now

Okay guys i'm fucked up on anti covid meds and cough syrup, but what if this was all an elaborate ploy by calli to promote her "roommate's" album?

Think about it:

> Roommate teases album
>Calli starts having various meltdowns with antis conveniently at the same time, escalating over the course of several days until tonight when maximum eyes are watching knowing full well her roommate account is well know that people would peek at it for updates.
>after calli makes her tweets, roommates account posts "thanks for the well wishes, will see you later this month".

All that's left to do is drop album in like a week and bam, max eyes on it.

>>16953500
Uhh so you're saying is a marketing campaign? I would be impressed if true

>>16953630
>>16953630
Yeah viral marketing my man. Like what gets the most attention online? Controversies and drama. The timing of all of this would work for viral marketing.

Again, full disclosure: I am fuckin high enough to see jesus rn but at the moment it makes sense.

>tank career where you make all your money to promote your side hustle
based and galaxy brained idea

>>16953500
Damn, she wants even more condom money from deadbeats?

>>16953500

>>16953500
the most sensible theory in the thread from the least sensible person in the thread

>>16953500
>Okay guys i'm fucked up on anti covid meds and cough syrup
Mori go to bed

>>16953500
Who the fuck would care about the album by the time it releases? She turned against deadbeats, and normalfags won't listen to her shit music.

>>16953500
>Okay guys i'm fucked up on anti covid meds and cough syrup
>but what if this was all an elaborate ploy by CALLI to promote HER "roommate's" album?

I can’t believe such low quality bait was so successful. Some anons just have all the luck.

>>16953500
High life is great, isn't it Mori?

>lean
Why does Calli act like such a tryhard wigger but doesn't know actual urban slang?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhM27pQZ_2E

>>16946860

>>16953500
The only reason people give a shit about her shitty music is because the Hololive brand is behind it, no one will give a shit about her roommates album regardless of how autistically she promotes it.

>>16943274
how does a wigger in her 20's who drinks a lot supposedly doesn't know what lean is lmao yeah right

>>16954691
Of course she knows what it means idiot. The real retardation is that she legit thought because ghetto and trailer trash like drinking cough syrup that it's a socially acceptable thing to do.

>>16946860
yeah even redditfags cant defend that shit, yeah some will yesman her and most will just be afraid to say any critique, but downvote is free and anonymous and also dont need to come here on /vt/ to rant.

>>16954698
>-18
>bombed

>>16954691
she took her larping a bit too far. plz understand sir

>>16955131
18 downvotes in 11 minutes and then she deleted the comment

>>16955131
>downvoted chuuba

>>16954979
Because she's a dumb white bitch who is ripping off black people and japs culture for money. Those types never actually bother to look into anything they do.

>>16955216
>>16955291
i yield. i dont know as much about the inner workings of reddit as you guys.

>>16943589
>>16951374
>>16955071
Whether or not she knows what it means, she's still a giant doofus for posting drug slang on company social media. Mow people will either see her as more of retarded poser or they'll see her as retarded druggie trying to cover up with "lol just joking" damage control.
Seriously, what the fuck was she thinking?!

This is why i only watch Japanese Vtubers, i can't partake in drama or get mad if i can't understand what the fuck they are saying in the first place.

>>16955296
I am straight edge white guy in mid 30's and even I know what lean is and how to make it, I'm not even a haterbut she's lying

>>16955400
>implying she was thinking at all

>>16951544
I thought it was weird she was doing a lot of it in the unarchived karaoke. Then she got plastered and all this happened. I wouldn’t be shocked if she really does resent her deadbeats.

>>16955440
gigabased

>>16954354
>expecting cuckbeat not to shut their brain off in the whole drama and go along with the cuckherd
Anon...

>>16955581
Her head was way up in the clouds. High as a fucking kite.

>>16955131
>>16955216
It was set as -18, you have to factor in people upvoting it.

Rap music was a mistake

>>16955440
Sigma Grindset

>>16955131
reddit uses fake votes to fuzz up the number for combatting bots

>>16955440
lemme suck ur cock

>>16944046
if the fucking pimply 12 year old retards on this website know what it is then the streamer knows what it is

>>16947140
>Her manager: STFU~ STFU MORIIII~.

What a stupid way to handle the situation, this make me really dislike her.

>>16955440
I-I kneel

>>16955440
Big pipi man

>>16947140
https://youtu.be/1E66K-4G3o8?list=PLykDVEKBovY01YcaNiiz2hjUjD3bf_gjv&t=6989

link of her responding to the condom super chat. I dont know if anyone has clipped it yet

>>16953334
That one actually mad me feel a little sad.

>>16957801
holy shit I didnt know she actually responded to it

>>16947140
>Your PR reps, Mori...
HOLY KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKE
I feel bad for Mori, but holy kek

>>16947140
>>16947318
Okay, so the rrat is that Connor somehow trolled Mori so hard that he got her abusing codeine to cope?

>>16955440
holy based

>>16958777
its that she got so assblasted by a superchat of all things

>>16953500
But isn't that like trying to advertise a movie by shitting on your fanbase when you CANT buy up all the cinema space like Disney did for Captain Marvel?

>>16955336
Just to give you some insight, when one of the girls posts a comment there they get hundreds if not thousands of votes to the positive just because it's them. Now sure, half (3/4s?) of the site is botted to hell and back but that post may well be the first time one of the talents got anything other than universal praise and adulation over there. It's an official Cover forum moderated by T-chan and a bunch of the chuubas.

>>16954698
>using 4chan lingo on other websites
holy cringe

>>16953500
Weve come full circle

>>16958590
>vt memes on reddit
>KEKEKKEKEKEKEKE
what has /vt/ come to, you virulent newfags are endless

>>16959417
/vt/ is leddit. Always was.

>>16958777
Technically she trolled herself by being friends with him. He called her a talentless hack on ironmouse's stream and then did say anything to defend her when people started shitting on her for defending him.

>>16959373
>using 4channel
cringe

>>16943274
>full-width question marks
well-made bait

>>16959417
this place has been reddit for over half a decade at this point retard

>>16943440
You're an idiot.

>>16951880
I mean that's what people have been saying for the last couple days as she dug herself further and further into the hole. I really can't say I expected her to reply to a 5 day old twitter post of a comic of her cucking her fans with Connor, let alone the post be jokingly in support of it.

>>16943440
retard

>>16955440
incomprehensibly based

>>16955440
KNEEL

>>16959417
/vt/ was reddit from the fucking start

>>16943274
>I can't wait to come back to you this month
What did she mean by this?

/vt/ is reddit except you can say nigger

>>16955440
basado

>>16961262
Jesas. I think she had something in the works though, so she was already planning on 'coming back'. The other tweet is a lot more eyebrow raising.
She's made a lot of money already and as long as she wasn't retarded with it, even if her other channel only gets 1/10th the views/funding, she'll be ok.

>>16947365
Porn addicts are hypocrites and retards, what else is new?

>>16943948
based fbk

>>16947636
tf is up with that green dot
is that a tracking dot

>>16961410
>as long as she wasn't retarded
Too late.

>>16943589
How the fuck does the wigger of Wippon not know what LEAN is

>>16955440
I don't watch vtubers at all, I just come here for the stupid drama of e-celebs.

>>16955440
Fellow gigachad
The only real way to enjoy stuff

>>16954698
Retards breaking containment

In my defense:
>16961630

>>16961924
Even the archive doesn't have it, what the fuck?

>>16961262
kek sounds like they forced/locked her out of her mori account so she stops digging the hole deeper. Now the question remains is, will she burn down her old account now?

>>16961924
>>16961630

>>16961616
cuckbeats would defend her even if she had said she got "blazed" instead

>>16960134
>I really can't say I expected her to reply to a 5 day old twitter post of a comic of her cucking her fans with Connor
Wouldn't it be sad if she bookmarked that post the day it was posted and spent the next five days coming up with that reply?

>>16947140
Is Mori on the spectrum?

>>16957801
holy shit she is so dumb lmao

>>16962264
No, she's just drunk or drugged 24/7

Is Mori the final yab trigger?

I feel bad for her. Maybe we should stop this and let it be. Just don't watch her
8WVW8

>>16962062
Shes already advertising for job offers and tweeting passive aggressively lol

>>16943274
Bros, jannies are censoring pro-mori posts... We already knew that 4chan and the jews worked together, but this is too far...

>>/vt/thread/S16961630#p16961630
>>16962387

>>16962639
i'll forgive her if she does a chaturbate collab with melody

Trumpet predictions?

>>16962756
Ogey

>>16962756
THE JANNIES DELETED IT AGAIN

First thread:
>>/vt/thread/S16962387
>>/vt/thread/S16962387
>>/vt/thread/S16962387

Second thread:
>>/vt/thread/S16961630
>>/vt/thread/S16961630
>>/vt/thread/S16961630

SHOULD I CREATE A NEW ONE?

>>16953500

>>16962264
she's on the drugs

>>16948071
what would be the benefit of sabotaging her?

Personally, I'd love it if Mori graduated, but the problem is that everyone in Myth would become super depressed and bitter afterwards and they'd start to hate their own fandom in turn.

>>16943589
It will be
>know what lean is
>leaning into her wigger personality by using it to try and make "I got drunk" sound cool
>remembered what country she was in

>>16943766
>clips of Kiara proof that this was a lie. Kiara hasn't been in contact with any of them
Post the clips

>>16951384
there aren't enough anons to outvote the sycophant ledditors.

>>16966513
Gen 4 survived Coco's graduation this would be literally nothing by comparison. Mori's most recent collabs have been mostly with council/irys not myth lol.

>>16947140
>Connor tweets "easy W"
>https://web.archive.org/web/20220123071557/https://twitter.com/CDawgVA/status/1485137798512652288
Unrelated. If you look at his Twitter feed at the previous tweet, this is at an end of a twitch stream with Ludwig where they were having a contest for the best crane game haul which I guess he won

>>16966942
Completely different mindsets. JP girls will always hide their true feelings and wear their public "face", just recall the famous quote about the three faces of the Japanese. Western girls wear their feelings on their sleeve.

>>16957801
lol she is so mad

This is the problem with some vtubers, they don't act to a character. Nyanners tries with her character since she was molded by 4chan, but she slips up a couple of times as well.

>>16952302
Girl Friend Experience. Nene, Rushia and Matsuri. That's their main thing. Especially Rushia. Kiara started as GFE but then changed to treating chat like it's her children.

>>16947140
>clip of Kiara proof that this was a lie. Kiara hasn't been in contact with any of them
>https://streamable.com/5a8uq2#
The way this cut feels like Kiara's line is being taken completely out of context. Sounds more like "No, we're not doing collabs with Trash Taste" rather than "Connor has never spoken to me"

>>16955440
Smartest man on this board

>>16955440
ascended

>>16943589
>doesn't know what lean actually is and thought it meant alcohol
She clarifies that in another tweet that is indeed the case.

why are deadbeats like this?

>>16966513
First mori will graduate
Then Ame will leave seeing the dam has already sprung a leak
Gura will follow soon after, seeing all her friends leave will make her realize shes not having fun anymore
Ina will stick the year out before graduating to indie
Kiara will be the last myth pillar standing

>>16943766
>Connor tweets "easy W"
He just got off a stream where he beat another streamer

>>16969177
>Ina leaving
>Friends in management.
Yeah, I don't think so.

>>16969177
Gura has new friends, she will be fine.

>>16969177
Gura is a menace who loves money, she won't leave

>>16969087
She can. She's not your slave, employee or wife schizofriend.
I'm sorry you let the GFE shit and donations brainwash you into thinking she, or any streamer, is.

>>16943766
>>member in Moris stream politely asks her to not associate with these people
You guys understand why she took issue with this in the first place, right?

>>16966513
I unironically want every Myth to graduate, not out of spite for them but out of spite for Hololive. I hope they all manage the same kind of successful rebound kson has had. corpo hate

>>16969449
It wasn't like he was just some random dude, he was someone who openly insulted the agency to the public. It's a slap to the face.

>>16961262
She's releasing an EP this month under her real name and not the Mori character. The initial announcement pre-dates the drama.

>>16969413
t. David Moore

>>16969087
literal wojak

>>16969413
Mori’s roommate can do whatever the hell she wants. Calliope Mori the Corporate Product cannot.

>>16969545
Does anyone have a clip of what he actually said? Or whichever podcast he said it on so it can be seen without edits/cutting

>>16969413
hello David Moore. She can do whatever the fuck she wants but not to the point where openly defending the guy who disrespects and belittle your work colleague. The very people who carried you to relevancy.

>>16969592
I don't think her real name is Devil Cube.

>>16946911
I was incredibly disappointed as well

I keep seeing people say she admitted to drug use but isn't lean literally just like soda and cough syrup or some shit

>>16969709
>who disrespects and belittle your work colleague
this never happened schizo

>>16969449
Is it stupid? Yeah, but the way she handled it had zero tact for someone who has been donating to her for a while and has been a member for a while. She shouldn't have given it a full read or full response, but she did. It's sad, because they guy was just earnestly frustrated that she'd openly defend someone who purposefully took the bait on a tweet about a month's old drama. Connor purely did it to whip up more drama, ans now Mori is getting the shit because she kept defending him over and over and over instead of letting sleeping dogs lie.
I really don't understand why she gave subs on her work account to Connor multiple times. It blows me away that she actually did that.

I can't believe some of the shit started here as rumors are actually turning out to be true.

>>16969709
>guy who disrespects and belittle your work colleague
You are actually clincally insane my friend

>>16969799
>you dont need to have a talent in hololive. Only brand
When fucking Ironmouse tries to stop you and quickly move on to the next topic because you've just belittled the hard work of others especially because you know nothing about their history, it's not "never happened".

>>16969997
That's not what happened, you made up completely insane narrative and made shit up in your head. Go outside and learn interaction, since you literally dont understand anything.

>>16969694
Jesus that's fucked up how you guys see them as "corporate products" and not humans anymore after they join hololive.
Idol culture is super fucked up from the root, this is really messed up mate.

>>16946993
its at +33 now (the downvoted one in your screenshot)

>>16969413
yeah , everyone can do whatever shit they want but will have to deal with the consequences later, especially working for a company like cover, you fucking soiboy

>>16970086
fuck off joey

>>16970096
So you are taking your high horse stance and punishing for not doing what you wanted with your "consequences"... therefore not letting her do whatever she wants? Right, got it, thanks for supporting my point, you insane cunt.

>>16970086
If you don't like idol culture why try to interlope in such a culture?

>>16970124
>The only person in the world that is sane enough to think that humans deserve to be treated as humans is joey
Want to throw any other mental gymnastics my way?

>>16970054
that is literally verbatim his statement from the twitch clip

>>16970207
It's not a culture. It's a product that you coonsume.

>>16948563
This

>>16970086
I don't see them as a product, but I do expect them to act within corporate guidelines as an entertainer for a specific/niche type of content.
>>16969997
The take is a little off the mark, but I can see how some could interpret it as him ripping on Hololive.
>You should lie on your application.
>Once you get into a company like Hololive, it won't matter that you lied, because the views/money will still flow in.

>>16943766
>says in his stream that people in hololive are popular not because of talent but because of brand
That's all? He isn't even entirely wrong about this. Surely there must have been more.

>>16969699
it’s on another thread here, it’s a twitch clip from ironmouse stream

>>16970207
I can like the good things and dislike the bad things about anything at the end of the day can't I? I like idol music and them singing and dancing, talking about that cheesy dreams shit, etc, etc.
I don't like them doing the GFE shit unironically, and fans and producers demanding them to not collab or associate with dudes and all that other parasocial relationship shit on steroids that comes with it.

Deadbraps are unironic cucks
Their behaviour finally makes sense now

>/vt/ cancels a vtuber over cough syrup

The sad thing is I can actually believe that Mori didn't know what lean meant and was just throwing it around. What a fucking autistic retard.

>>16970260
again if you dont like the product dont fucking buy into it and ruin the shit for everyone else. jeezus christ autists need to gatekeep hobbies harder

>Calli quits Hololive and gets s Demondize avatar
>Gura follows her as a sick puppy as Sensawa
>both join VShojo out of desperation
>Connor tales them as part of his personal harem
All according to plan.

>>16970291
It was a nothingburger the first time around. Then, months later Connor saw a small tweet with the clip resurface and took the opportunity to yell about it again rather than ignoring it. With Iron Mouse instead of saying 'Sorry, it might have come off a little harsher than I meant it to' he just talked repeatedly about how he was right and everyone was wrong while deflecting 3 different way for any sort of blame. New people who hadn't see the original saw him starting shit over it again and one of Mori's SC'ing members SC'd her about it during a members stream. The rest you probably know. There's like 10 points where this could have been cut by people just ignoring things, and the last like 7 were Mori, but here we are.

>>16970290
What corporate guidelines you crazy fuck? Since when does hololive forbids them from collabing with whatever fucking guy they want? What guidelines has Mori actually broke?
If you'd really care about them following your oh so precious rules you would go against someone like haachama instead but you are just assblasted deep inside at the thought of them acting like normal fucking women like they are and not your fantasy character 100% of the time on camera somehow.

>>16970086
>s-she can do whatever she wants she's a human!
First of all, she signed contract. Have you ever worked somewhere? Second, I want to watch Mori do Mori things, not talk about that drama faggot. Third, she deliberately hurt her fans. Whole fucking fanbase. And for what reason? Very nice of her to shit on cuckbeats because they don't want to hear about C***r, or dislike trash taste. No comment about drug abuse, not sure if it's true yet.
It's not going to end well because she can't just shut up and buries herself deeper with every tweet.

>>16970194
Yeah, you can't do whatever you want and expect people to just take it, it will have backlash. this is your last (You) david moore

>>16970260
Everything is a product of consumption due to economic prospects. Maybe in an earlier era in which money wasn't the end goal you might have a point.

>>16970435
Don't know which side you are taking here but, just to clarify, the only people that "ruin this shit for everyone else" are the insane fucks here in /vt/ going nuts over the smallest thing and creating more pointless drama than a kpop teenager fan.

>>16970493
> what corporate guidelines?
low IQ ape, did you read my text?

>>16970424
She's really leaning into her dork side today.

>>16970435
>>16970435
Not the same guy, also fuck your product. If you don't treat people as people then you cannot say you even admire them

Why has Kiara become based and Mori become cringe recently? Is this the plot twist?

>>16970518
All right so you do think that she can't do whatever she wants. Should've just said that from the start then cunt.

>>16970507
>cannot even name the guy
Wait so the cluck memes are real.

>>16970542
Money turns the soul into profit, but the soul endures regardless.

>>16969177
Mori will graduate
Holo myth becomes stronger than ever
1 year later nobody remembers Mori or talks about her

Your Oshi spending your supas on cough syrup. I can see her trying to shill out lean to other jp members as a cool American drink.

>>16970054
>https://files.catbox.moe/icy78x.mp4
Hello there deadcuck

>>16970590
I did. Their corporate guidelines are the hololive guidelines. Not the fucking akb48 ones or whatever. Just because they are "idols" in name doesn't mean they have to follow whatever sacred idol guideline you think there is.

>>16970493
Tell me what other Holo references irl friends by their real names or online handles on a semi-constant basis. Tell me what Holo decides to bite the bait openly invites more drama to them? I don't care who she's friends with, I care that she's actively dragging people who intentionally look for a little bit of drama into the circle.

If Mori really is drinking lean she's more based than I ever gave her credit for. What a menace.

>>16970507
Jesus man, you are too far gone.

>>16970793
KIYRU COCO

>>16955440
I fucking kneel

>>16969413
>>16970086
This argument is so fucking retarded. She's in the entertainment industry. Just because there's no law or governing board presiding over all of an entertainer's actions and they *can* do "whatever they want" doesn't mean they *should*.

They are literally selling themselves as a product, so if they're disrespectful to their fans, they should expect criticism and consequences. There's some leeway when talking about indies and 2views since it can be for hobby, but you cannot in good faith say someone that auditioned for Hololive as late into the scene as Mori didn't know what she was getting herself into.

>>16947140
Please don't post when you are drunk or high Mori, the truth is coming out

>>16970793
So basically "tell me what other holo has made mistakes at some point"
All right: every single one of them
because they are all human not actual anime girls
you deranged fuck

>>16970257
learn what words actually mean retard. Literally none of those words are used in the clip, you are too autistic to even understand the intentions. No mouse didnt change the subject because Connor "was belittling" but because she knows talking about it can get them in trouble because she's /here/ and knows people clip shit out of context.

>>16970757
Hello no context you incel anti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysjr7oBjYMM . They werent even talking about hololive, there was no belittling.

>>16970831
Your brain is rotted if you think that anon is too far gone. What he said is entirely reasonable, your cuck behaviour trying to defend insincerity is fucking nauseous to look at, even more from your lack of self awareness trying to act morally superior in the act.

>>16970955
Well I do agree that they are in fault for this to some extent because of how much they play into a lot of that shit and benefit from it.
Then again, I still think that's bullshit from both sides. This thing of "if you make a mistake like any human being does or you do something I don't like I'm in my right of harassing you and talking shit about you" attitude we have for online entertainers is fucked up and the way it's "justified" in this board and for these vtubers in particular is pretty bad.

>>16970831
>you're delusional
Or maybe you are. Or you can explain to me how I'm wrong

>Hololive EN
>Nobody is live
S-Sugoi…

>>16971026
Stop being an ingenious little shit, it's perfectly clear what he was implying in the clip. Cucks are truly subhumans, the mental gymnastics you people go through for no obvious benefit boggles the mind.

>>16969413
she's selling a product, i can criticize
she does whatever she wants offscreen, she's not chained or anything. even ledditors understand this, jesus did you get BTFO there too and now you're sperging here?

>>16957801
>She actually gave Connor condom money

>>16971212
>the mental gymnastics you people go through
the only mental gymnastics one is making is you schizos with literal mental issues. Only way your narrative is remotely convincing is after you remove context and replace words used and make up schizo, bad faith assumptions about everyone and not understanding a simple conversation between friends that had nothing to do with hololive. Kill yourself.

>>16969087
Jesus, he is exactly pic related

>>16971073
>cuck behaviour
Pffttt ok so let me see, what you are saying is that me, the guy that doesn't have a heavy parasocial relationship with women roleplaying as 2d anime girls to the point where you develop possessive and controlling feelings towards them like you would in an abussive relationship, except you do it for someone that you will never even meet in your entire life and doesn't even know you yet you lose your shit whenever they interact with a male with opinions that are different than yours as if she wouldn't already do that every single day of her life when she isn't on camera, is the one with the rotten brain?
That's a really, really good one. Like actually fucking hilarious lol

>>16971155
>This thing of "if you make a mistake like any human being does or you do something I don't like I'm in my right of harassing you and talking shit about you" attitude we have for online entertainers is fucked up
I don't fucking understand people like you. What are vtubers to you? They're just streamers, you don't owe them anything, and they are competing for your time/interest with all other forms of media. If one of them starts losing your interest because of an avoidable problem/behavior, what's wrong with complaining about that towards the end of maintaining the status quo of your hobby?

How much they should give a shit about any arbitrary number of fans bitching depends on how much they're looking to get out of their streaming career, but it is entirely ass-backwards to fault people for wanting to have fun. It's just pathetic white-knighting for nothing. No streamer "deserves" a certain amount of support or success regardless of what they do; it all has to be earned.

>>16971014
I'm not asking for her resignation or forced graduation Anon, I'm just asking her not to bring up TT/Connor on stream by name because it's obviously a sore spot for some of her fans. She can hang out with them all she wants, just use a nickname or pronouns like every other fucking Holo does. And no, 'I don't like those fans' isn't a valid response for this criticism. She'll do fine if she comes back and lies low for a minute.
If she does decide to call it quits because she doesn't like the environment, I really hope she doesn't go around whining about 'how bad those fans are!', but given a quick glance at her prior stuff, I don't see her being that kind of person.

>>16970086
They are not their own entity, they are a voice actress for their model, occasions like this are why most idols don't even handle their own social media

We lost an entire chinese branch of hololive because of drama that none of them(besides artia) had any part of, and their careers are gone.
Poof.
Finito.

why are you retards replying to obvious bait

>>16970642
Kiara has fully manifested into her new persona, she likes kiara more than herself.

>>16971511
That dude can type at the speed of sound and has some reasonable arguments that I can get behind arguing. I also want to believe that there's still crazy deadbeats who are full-on defending every single action she made in the last week.

>>16971447
>it's obviously a sore spot for some of her fans.
Well, that's the part that bothers me and everyone that isn't too deep into these mental gymnastics. It's crazy to get that hurt just because they mentioned a entertainer you don't like, people blame her for doing the donation thing but when she does it is because people were giving her a hard time about that in the first place after all.

>>16970831
You've never worked a fucking job before you actual troglodyte, everything he said is 100% corporate reality

>>16971444
>If one of them starts losing your interest because of an avoidable problem/behavior, what's wrong with complaining about that towards the end of maintaining the status quo of your hobby?
Complaining about it on social media is one thing. But constantly harassing her is another.

>>16949771
I'll fix that real soon don't worry anon

>>16971356
Holy projection. Expecting sincerity to the fucking job you signed up for is somehow too far gone now. Also fallacies
>assuming that I am a gachi
>implying that you are not one while whiteknighting mori's very obvious retardation in places she will never see
>spinning this issue as something related to unicorns pissed off at male collabs rather than people pissed at mori's insincerity and her refusal to atleast try to be better
Maybe you should try saying how that anon's entirely reasonable take on mori's responsibilities too far gone. For ad-hominem you sound like someone who never worked at any respectable workplace and your only knowledge of employment relations comes from the westoid meme of a free workplace

>>16971447
>sore spot for some of her fans
lmao after seething for weeks about it, if you still think you deserve anything and still watch her thinking you control her, you deserve all cucking in the world. Youre done , find another streamer.

>>16971675
You're a neet who gets everything he knows about the working world from anime and it shows.

>>16971696
I agree, harassment is unprofessional and the wrong approach to take if you want to reclaim your hobby rather than run it into the ground. I just think
>hurr they're people with FEELINGS just like you and me!!!
is a pretty pathetic attempt at crafting a total defense against any and all criticism/anti behavior from the fanbase

>>16971444
>What are vtubers to you? They're just streamers
Yeah you just answered what they are to me.
And to me, streamers aren't people you madly fall in love with and defend to death even when they do the worst shit, but they also aren't people you throw under the bus and harass at any given chance.
Sure, you can voice how you dislike a part of them, but if you aren't into the category of being nearly obsessed with them to unhealthy levels is a lot easier to just shrug it off and ignore it when they actually do those things you dislike or move on to the next vtuber instead of whinning about it making things so much worse for them and for the people trying to have a fun time.

>>16971648
So people didn't like a thing she did, she got criticism from her fans, and chose to double down on it expecting it would someone make them see the light of day? That's a really bad PR move. Beyond that, actually replying to a 5-day-old twitter post showing you cucking your fans when you know some of your top donors are the hardest of goslings seems like the worst option and a little insane, even if the post was ironic.

>>16971356
New schizo unlocked: David Moore

>>16971356
OR you can keep your private life private. Crazy, right? I'm not interested in other people when I come to watch YOUR stream. My interest ends when your stream ends, you live your life, i live mine. Everyone happy. But if you bring up annoying fags again and again, look i get it you like him. Can we move on?
No, we can't. Dumb bitch goes and insults her whole fanbase, over one picture by a literal nobody. This is a shitty situation she herself created and doesn't realize what's wrong until people replied. Now THIS is hilarious.

>>16971628
probably a twitterfag used to post wall of texts

>>16971788
Nice projecting, I have 2 fucking middle manager's I have to constantly clean up after because corporate has them stressed out 7 days out of the week.
Get a fucking job you loser

>>16947140
>person from TT named Connor says in his stream that people in hololive are popular not because of talent but because of brand
>https://files.catbox.moe/icy78x.mp4
He did try to defend himself at one point, but still did a shit job of that too because the man can't structure an actual argument to save his life. I can get what he's trying to say, but he's saying it in the dumbest way possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysjr7oBjYMM

Basically he was trying to say that people will lie on their CVs to get into jobs because once you're in there you just got to fake it til you make it and it no longer becomes an issue that you lied, and sometimes it's hard to fuck that up. He used Hololive as an example that if you get into there, you've already got a pre-installed fanbase of (going by Sana's numbers) at least 250,000 subscribers which would make failure harder, so would give people more incentive to lie on the applications to try and get into a generation, and get enough of a pre-installed fanbase and money that it would be impossible to fail even if you had zero actual talent.

Ironmouse does point out that while it's his opinion, he's also an idiot for thinking the audition process would literally just be them looking at the CVs and picking the best 5 and that there wouldn't be more stages to the auditions process to find the ones that do have the spark and talent they're looking for. But Connor just gets salty and doubles down harder by insisting he was just trying to start a discussion point that nobody wants to have (about lying on CVs?), because he's like Mori in that despite all the "heh, I ain't even mad" bravado he puts on you can see how mad he actually gets by criticism.

He's never said anyone specifically in Hololive has no talent. The worst he's said is that other than Ironmouse, he doesn't really watch vtubers because he doesn't "get it" and thinks the streams would be the same with a live cam rather than a 2D avatar. Because you have to remember that Connor is only an ironic weeb who basically only likes Jojo and HxH, and hates anything else that's popular.

>>16971937
Cool larp, go watch some more aggretsuko or whatever you're getting this from

>>16971868
incel behaviour

https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485189673060208640
She's fine, all this the usual rrat hyperbole

>>16971868
>I come to watch YOUR stream

dont like it dont watch.
Also youre against all collabs? You can find other vtubers annoying too , some more annoying that Connor and they can banter, while collabs with language barrier are uncomfortable to watch.

>whole fanbase
youre not a fan, go watch someone else.

>>16971766
Imagine siding with the decision to 'own the trolls lmao XD'. She probably didn't have a lot of negativity at the first SC freakout, but everything past that seems to have gotten heat from actual fans. She'll still be fine if a chunk of her fans leave and everything I'm saying is as an outsider. I'm not a Mori gosling, I'm not a deadbeat, but I know my Oshi will get stupid comments tossed towards her over this, and I trust she can handle anything that pops up from it, but it's still annoying as fuck to have this runoff drama

>>16944133
To be absolutely honest, I did not know that meaning for the word "lean". I'm ESL though. Considering the situation it's probable that Mori did.

Still, isn't everyone blowing this stuff way out of proportion? Before I left for the weekend, this board was all shitposting over this same thing. Now I come back and it's still on.
If I was a streamer, it'd piss me off too if my audience was trying to tell me who to talk with and who not to - especially considering she's been associated with the anitubers from before she started this whole chuuba thing. In a way, her butthurt is kinda justified.

>>16971968
Nta, but what is your perception of a corporate job's responsibilities anon? Maybe clarifying your views on it would help

>>16970479
This is the good ending.

>>16971816
>for the people trying to have a fun time
why should i give two shits about other fans? i care about my personal values. criticism goes too far when it seriously damages the mental health of the entertainer, because at that point your hobby is made irreparable at your own hand for a separate reason than what you were initially worrying about, but if there's a reasonable chance of a turnaround, i'm gonna pursue it no matter how many screeching autists are part of the opposition

>>16971754
Nah I said those because of the whole "cuck" thing that is clearly used here whenever the topic is about them having boyfriends or collabing with males and etc.
And the "whiteknigthing" is something I'd do for any vtuber I'm slightly interested in because I find the argument itself interesting, not because of themselves because, yeah, I know they would never see these posts and god I hope they wouldn't.
>>16971840
I actually wouldn't be surprise if you insane cunts start calling anyone with a non-deranged opinion david moore and end up fucking the poor guy's life, god I'd feel bad for him lol

>>16955440
I kneel Gigachad

>>16959607
him defending her would have made things only so much worse to be honest. Its fucking stupid of him to open his mouth in the first place. To be honest, if he truly cared about her, he wouldn't mention her at all and he'd put his pride aside and take responsibility for his words by admitting he was wrong. Short of that, keeping his mouth shut is the best option.

>>16971968
I am 30 fuck years old you loser, the average man has a career by then
Go project your actual autism to your mother or someone else who might give a shit

>>16972107
>Criticism is bad when it harms the entertainer
>I will pursue criticism no matter how bad it is as long as we can force the entertainer to change
Aaaand here is where the issue starts and how we ended up here. The hypocricy in this entire board is hilarious honestly.

>>16972113
You would not be replying this much or this in-depth if you had any semblance of 'balance' with Mori's streams that you claim to have. You fervently yell about how every action she's taken isn't bad despite some of them being absolutely stupid for her bottom line. This is a job for them. They should have fun, they should try and not piss off their fans, and they shouldn't be propelling drama to the forefront. If I want drama, I'll go watch some shit youtuber, not Hololive.

>>16972039
Cope, Kiara will also say something that will upset you and will make you seethe and then youll have a "new oshi" and youll say "nooo im not KFP, my oshi is pure" , lmao. But then again Kiara doesnt need to talk about connor to be annoying, but beggars cant be choosers am i rite?

>>16972018
>dont like it dont watch
thanks cap
>youre against all collabs
certain people should be banned from collabs. The ones that live off drama.
>youre not a fan
maybe i'm not anymore. Good advice.

>>16972296
>Criticism is bad when it harms the entertainer
Try
>Criticism is bad when it does more damage to the entertainer than they're already doing to themselves

>>16969216
That's what he wants you to think faggot

>>16972306
I don't even watch mori's streams that much lol, she's not even in my top 10
But yeah I guess I did come off as defending Mori too much as if she was perfect when, yeah, some of her actions were pretty dumb and she made mistakes. I'm not saying she didn't.
I'm saying hololive entertainers, PEOPLE, are allowed to make mistakes and mistakes of that level should not be getting this kind of overblown reaction.
Plus you lack the empathy to see where these mistakes even came from, she didn't start the drama, the insane viewers doing the superchats and all the other overblown shit. It is expected that after being attacked so much you would show some kind of reaction, otherwise you get a Kiryu Coco type situation where they suffer in silence until they can't take it anymore and quit.
They are just human man, jesus.

>>16971950
I agree that he and Calli have more pride than sense. I can understand why that is, but it really hurts Calli because she is part of a company. Calli should honestly receive some mentorship from a senior Holo on humility and professionalism, probably Miko would be the best holo for an example if only there wasn't such a language barrier.

>>16972375
Why do you think they started "doing damage to themselves"? Didn't she do it because she was being harassed in the first place?

>>16972537
Yeah because Miko is Japanese, from the culture that teaches you to always shut the fuck up and lower your head to the ground like a dog to save face.

>>16971315
>>16971356
Man you cucks are the worst. At least in 5ch they won't get to this level of brain-dead. Even with Coco and Matsuri defenders, this place has never descended to this level of cope and unadulterated stupidity.

Did you guys know codeine is a medicine that is prescribed as a painkiller? For example, after you have surgery? Retards

>>16972729
So what your saying is, shes abusing a prescribed drug?

>>16972586
Admittedly a lot of Mori's gaffes in the last few days have been a back-and-forth downward spiral with memes and criticism, but all those memes and criticism didn't spawn out of thin air, anon. She's made mistakes.

Anyway, being provoked still doesn't excuse making further mistakes even if the fans are also at fault in such situations. There's also always gonna be shitposters mixed in with legitimately upset fans producing a never-ending stream of fuel to the fire, so the onus must be on the streamer to nut up and end the cycle by being more professional/ignoring shitposting. Mori just keeps shooting herself in the foot every time she tries to "own the haters"

>>16969177
Kiara will try to be the last Myth but the fact that she attached herself to them for a long time will make her have a meltdown and forced to graduate

>>16972043
The correct answer to that is to say you respect your fans wishes and won't mention them anymore on stream, and then to not mention them anymore on stream, and tell them not to mention you either. Then hang out off stream, as usual.

Or you could throw a big tantrum and get bonked by your management, that works too I guess.

This is a job, she is an employee, this isn't for play, its for the customers. Its awesome if your life and relationships are structured in such a way that they don't come into conflict with your work, but if they do, you have to make adult decisions, and biting the bait is childish and pointless.

>>16972722
>Using 5ch as a standard for anything
Yeap, because the place where the most clinically insane people from the most clinically insane society join sure is the golden standard here.
If you really think they are right about anything and you weren't even brainwashed into thinking in the fucked up way they were since they were kids then I don't know what to tell you man, at least they have the excuse of not knowing any better.

>>16972043
I'm also ESL and i know what lean is everybody does

>>16969511
Myth having a full gen graduation is good for them and the company, it's clear these girls don't meet Hololive's demands and would be much happier doing their own thing

>>16972784
>She's made mistakes
Yeah man, everyone does, my point is that, since everyone does make mistakes, you should not have this kind of huge reaction for every single one of them like this board likes to do.
I do think she needs to have a change of attitude against said reactions but man, put yourself in her situation, after being insulted and made fun of over the dumbest shit it is the natural human reaction to want to stand up for yourself instead of just sitting there in silence like a good girl or boy while people spit on you over the smallest thing.

>>16970086
Oh the humanity!

>>16967075
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>>16972528
Except Coco fought in her own way and actually, as a decent human being would had, considered about literally everyone else under the brand. She cared and bowed out in grace instead of burning everyone else. People actually stood by her because her actions made sense. When the antis were persistent and hurting the rest, she really mellowed out in terms of being inflammatory and you could tell she put a lot more control and is apologetic towards the rest for what she has done. She draws a clear line between work and her private life. Something Cali has repeatedly failed to do so. She gave zero shits about how her action would affect the brand, which by the way, is where all her genmates and Japanese senpais she so claimed to adore, falls under. Nada, zero, zlich. It's all her, my pride, my "smart" Snapbacks, and posting on Reddit to reaffirm her fucking ego because she knows it's a hugchamber. She's only human makes no fucking sense, she's a professional and on a job. That's an insult to everyone else who fronts a personality and puts in the work to check themselves. And being a professional means you don't mix personal shit up with your professional work which she did REPEATEDLY. Anon if everyone pulls the I'm only human schtick we will live in a world with shit standards and zero accountability. Come on

>>16973064
Yeah because she is Japanese you dumbass. Japanese people are trained to react that way their entire lives and suffer in silence to avoid bothering others, that's part of why they are so misserable.

>>16972528
You can put the blame wherever you want, but at the end of the day, the one suffering the consequences of this drama the most are not the "insane viewers", who are probably jerking themselves off for getting this much of a reaction, but Mori. And thus it falls to her to take the correct actions to mitigate the situation, no matter whose fault it is. The scorpion is always going to sting the frog, and what's more, it's going to blame the frog afterwards, so if the frog doesn't do anything about it, I guess everyone's sinking to the bottom then.

How’s our little wigger doing this morning?

>>16973020
Unfortunately, anon, she's an adult woman rather than a seventh-grader, so no, it is not the "natural human reaction" to throw hissy fits and publicly lay ebic ownage on your detractors

>>16973146
It's 2 AM in Japan

>>16972894
You are literally consuming and is a dopamine slave to one of the "most clinically insane society" you dumbshit. 5ch might be more retarded as a whole but it is better because they lack PC retards like you and is better able to agree to call it as what it is. Oh and they get a lot less Reddit tourists either.

>>16973136
Her genmates can do it, why can't she?

>>16970479
You know some mental JP Gura gachi would track down Connor in Japan and gut him.

>>16973136
>Coco
>Japanese
I'm embarrassed for you

>>16973137
I agree anon. I just think it sucks that it has to be that way and it's never the mob being the ones to collectively admit their own mistakes.
Oh well, I bet she'll be able to manage this well after thinking things through, she is definitely not the kind of person to just give up from this but it will take a toll on her for a bit.
I do hope she thinks about the way she presents herself and her own brand, I honestly think her doing the whole GFE thing so hard is part of why this happened so maybe she will reconsider that aspect of her character too.
Ironically, I think she needs to be a bit more like Kiara in some ways.

>>16973170
I think you give adults too much credit man. Well adjusted people can have much stronger reactions over a lot less and we are talking about someone that is under constant stress and under the constant eyes of thousands of people. The human mind isn't exactly prepared to take such a situation so casually and be able to manage it flawlessly which is why so many youtubers end up depressed despite having "the dream job".

>>16973235
Gura and Ame barely touch their twitter
Ina is Korean, their culture is not that different from Japan
Kiara has done worse in her past and she womaned up overtime
Mori needs to do these mistakes and be called out so she can grow the fuck up

>>16973280
You know well what I'm talking about cunt
All right, "influenced by Japanese culture a lot more than Calli and any other EN member" happy now?

>>16972660
Yes, Mori needs to learn that. She needs to learn to shut up, apologize, and move on. More importantly, she needs to learn to respect her fanbase. She needs to realize that it isn't only the deadbeats that have an obligation to her, she has an obligation to respect the fans wishes as well.

>>16973056
this is gonna be the cuckbeat meme pic from now on

>>16973478
There's more just in case.

>>16973501

>>16973478
Crazy how you are probably the type of guy to call fans of her cucks yet you want her to adapt the most cuckish part of Japanese culture.
Also anyone has the obligation to not harass people regardless of the situation, it's called basic human decency.
And no, she doesn't have the obligation to bend the knee and do every single thing some part of her fanbase wants, that's not how it works either.

>>16973415
this is hilarious, go back to your hugbox newfag. It's one thing to defend your drugged up dad but another to direct that shit in order to imply coco is worse. Anyone here long enough even if they are at the end of the spectrum would tell you which one is the wiser of the two. Hint: it's not the one sending condoms

>>16973555
Corpo account should at least have corpo decency, she can do whatever she wants on her private account.

>>16973606
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm just saying that Coco was quicker to bend the knee because that's Japanese culture and she was clearly influenced by it a lot more than the American woman that has only been in that country for a few years as an adult.

>>16973648
Corpo or not, it's still her image, and while yeah that was clearly not the best way of doing it, I can understand why she would want to defend it directly.

>>16973648
The funny thing is in the same day Ame talked about how they're all aware of the type of fanbase Hololive caters to and Ame followed it up by saying she's going to respect the wishes of her fanbase (by not moving to Twitch) in her members only stream.

>>16973555
>fans don't matter
t.connorbeat
>moving on and ignoring schizo antis is cuckish
writing retarded twits and trying to clumsily dodge backlash is much better
>bend the knee
bending the knee = listening to their opinion
got it, you're a moron

She has this childish desire to try and "overcome" any perceived negativity or with kneejerk solutions. We see it in the lyrics to her songs and in her everyday actions. When people she perceives as antis say shes doesnt put much effort into hololive, shes goes on a multi hour streaming rampage, regardless of the actual content it brings. Some of her fans are clearly not ok with her bringing anitubers into her and Hololives realm. So she doubles down and belittles her own fans in an attempt to spite the people that go against her own selfish desires. Hurting people that genuinely support her when they simply dont want to see someone they dislike included in the Holoverse.
Whether she makes it to the top or not, if she keeps this up, she'll just find herself alone one day with no one to support or congratulate her. Left only with a hollow sense of pride for not letting people change her.

>>16973735
Cuckbeat please. Other holomems already have set a precedence over certain art, it's "Please don't put it in my tags" not "I shall dunk on this certain art".

>>16973735
no, its not her image, she does not own the image of Mori, Cover does, besides, her acting like this make not only her look bad, it makes anyone around her look like shit and unprofessional for even letting her get this far.

>>16972528
In the end, she's a public figure and there is no escaping this shit if you're a public figure. It's up to her to put an end to it by not feeding into it. It sucks, but it's just the reality of the situation. Replying to bait here is nothing because I don't have anything on the line and neither do you. We can be as stupid as we want, or we can reply as much as we want, because we don't have thousands who are hanging on our every word. On the other hand, you might just piss off some of those thousands of fans by saying something or doing something, which is why it's more advised to stay silent and ignore than it is to respond. It's pretty obvious that the first superchat, which she arguably did handle poorly, could easily be looked past and almost no one made a big deal out of it. But then you had everything that came after that, and at some point you start eroding the good will of the people who would stick up for you for a dumb mistake. The more you double down, the more people might stop agreeing with you 'owning the haters', and I think the biggest moment was the reply to the cuckbeat comic, because you could see people even in the squeaky clean r/hololive going 'Why are you doing this?', which is a great sign that your average fan is not in support of your actions.

>>16973555
When you accept all actions and demand nothing, you don't actually support her, you ensure her destruction, just like what is happening now. Now you get to be stuck in drama hell, antis have her number, and know what buttons to push because she doesn't know how to shut up. and they will. keep. pushing. You are the one getting cucked by self-inflicted drama. Miko? She's living life, or at least that's what we see, as is proper. Doesn't look like Mori's having a fun time now though.

You call it bending the knee, so i'll say that. You better hope she bends the knee and learns to shut up, because it will only get worse.

>>16973791
>ame has to take the job of management again and damage control for cover
Fucking pathetic. What do these people even do?

>>16973822
I mean, in that same stream she equated other streamers doing long streams everyday to the race to the bottom in art commissions.
>>16973933
Mori kept saying that Ame wanted to stream on Twitch so Ame was addressing this.

If you hate JP and JP culture so much why are you getting invested in a chuuba that works for a JP corpo, leave tourist

>>16973985
Mori was lying again? Like when she said Connor talked to the other girls?

>>16957801
>retards on chat calling her a chad for that move
are deadbraps really this stupid?

>>16967663
>The way this cut feels like Kiara's line is being taken completely out of context.
And you would be correct!
https://youtu.be/8Flzv4pZUak?t=5h14m53s
Remember to never trust clips out of context, especially on this rrat infested board.

>>16974127
People who support TT probably love the shit riling that this is leading to.

>>16974127
Mori's audience has the largest overlap of TT fans out of any EN fanbase, of course they love this.

>>16970479
>this is what cuckbeats believe
dont involve Gura with that trash, she's based unlike Mori

>>16974127
Game theory necessitates it. People who chat in that manner do it in the expectation that the streamer will see it. If you're on the fence then agreeing with her is the 'best' decision if she remembers you, even if it tuns out to be the wrong choice later, because then at the most she was still as wrong as you. If you disagree her opinion of you might go down, and even if you were right later on, she will likely still have a negative impression of you without quite remembering why.
And greynames fucking love it. They don't have to pay a single cent and they get entertainment either way it turns out, so egging the streamer on and riding crowd sentiment for the rush is in their best interests.

>>16947140
Kek. Her retardation has provided way better content than her streams. I was actually starting to think she was improving as of lately but she managed to fuck herself up.
She should learn from her JP senpais and if she's so affection craving that she needs to get involved with low quality grifters, then she'd be better off trying to befriend her senpais who at the very least are in the same boat as her.

>>16947140
just had to add that last thing in huh.
well thanks for the general summary. Guess this explains all the anti Mori posting going on here kek.
Wonder how many anti threads she defended herself on.
Capcha from the fucking gods themselves kek

>>16974420
She doesn't know Japanese despite living there for many years.

>>16970493
>since when does hololive forbids them from collabing with whatever fucking guy they want?
You fucking retard, at peast pretend you know what youre talking about
Why do you think Kiara x pomu collab didnt happen yet? Because management restricts certain collabs.
I don't know how much calli sperged out to have the tt collab but after this shitshow i hope omegay restricts any collab with 3dp e-celeb faggots and tell mori to sit the fuck down

>>16973700
All the while implying that's a bad thing in context to this situation, you know exactly what you are doing. Meds.

>>16959411
The prophecy is finally upon us.

>>16974547
I think she said before that she spent half a year trying to get the first vshojo collab.
TT was probably just Cover trying to befriend Kadokawa (the company that owns TT)

>>16955440
I mean I understand Japanese nowadays, but even with that there's so few yabs, I think 90% of current day JP holo Yabs are from literally two people (Festival+Chammers).
Helps that my Oshi is Mio and she doesn't really have many "haters".

>>16948371
dude rappers don't go into random village bars to "fire back" at some drunkard badmouthing them a fucking WEEK later.

>>16951544
I've been dropping by here semi-regularly, and during the Pokemon era it seemed that even /HERE/ people were finally coming around to not hating her anymore since she put her boots up and started actually grinding streams (iirc she had the most streams of HoloEN in the past 3 months).
Shame she fucked it all up again kek. It's gonna take a while to wash this shit away. And now that people know they can get under her skin with Connor, you can expect a LOT more of that.

>>16974909
She had to be told by a fan in the comments of her stream that publicly donating to other streamers to "own" the haters was a retarded idea and was easy to exploit.

>>16966513
just graduate them all except those who could speak japanese.
western culture and hololive's will never coexist.

>>16969177
Gura already knows the EN sluts are not her "friends" which is why she's trying to make friends with JPs (Shion, Okayu, Aqua, Nacho mama etc). Once she moves to Japan she will be fine on her own.

>>16975094
I thought she was friends with Ame

>>16975063
uhhh that comment seems to be pinned rn...

>>16972850
> Its awesome if your life and relationships are structured in such a way that they don't come into conflict with your work, but if they do, you have to make adult decisions
You make a good argument, but my actual beef with this outrage is the way it all comes off as people hungrily jumping on a person that fucked up. The same SJW shit we see about free speech not absolving you of responsiblity (and then hounding on anyone who said anything remotely offensive), but kind of in reverse.
Reading this thread from the beginning, I do agree that this all has been a PR disaster, but I just cannot get worked up about it. Then again, I don't watch Mori at all.

>>16974506
And that's the reason she has to beg for friendship to internet weirdos and grifters just because they speak english. Imagine the kino of she doing ASMR streams with Noel, doing party games with Towa, off collabs with Kanatan... She seems to not understand that in her position she has to be careful of who she associates with, and in that regard her holo senpais are way of a safer bet and I don't think the holos would reject her at all, but she craves for the grifters so nothing they can do to help her.

>>16975094
>Once she moves to Japan she will be fine on her own.
I doubt anyone moving to a country with a language they don't understand will be fine on their own.

>>16975190
Yeah, and then she went on to sarcastically like and comment on a cucking comic. Her logic is not very sound.

>>16975263
not literally now dude. In a year or two. There's a reason she's been expanding her collabs to the JP side (instead of EN indies)

>>16975231
Or she just doesn't actually like the climate of the workplace and does it because it's easy money for her and helped gateway into making friends with her idols, TT and VShojo.

>>16975231
The very first thing she did when she joined hololive was to try to collab with Charlie (who she has idolized for several years).
I think it's pretty obvious she was just using her clout to try to collab with all the e-celebs she looked up to, at least early on.