/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>16734085
A true visionary

This is a great time to break away from shitty mega groups and start looking for smaller creators.

>>16734085
i kneel

Her first loading screen predicted this. She already told you.

>>16734085
Not if the Phoenix (Life) has anything to say about that.

While she also has a time traveller and a lovecraftian girl on her side.

Death only has a dumb shark on her side

>>16734085
More like usher in a glorious era where you (yes you anon) can audition and possibly become coworkers and friends with your oshi

Holobronies care about the weirdest shit

You’re the kind of person Conner and Mori make fun of behind the scenes.

>>16734085
Yagoo planned this

>>16734640

I just got on vt after a couple of months, what's the mori drama is about? I dont watch her streams

The real Gura Killer™ was Mori the entire time...

>>16734085
I really want to rape Mori's mouth.

you know the worst part? none of this matters. we do not matter. the vast majority of the fanbase either does not care or actively WANTS male collabs. they make fun of 'losers' like us in their reddit threads and YT comment sections. and we can just seethe here in solitude and shitpost to cope. we're being left behind.

>>16735144
Friends with people who hate Hololive. I mean, she has the option to keep their friendship private, but, noooo.... keep promoting anitubers who hate your coworkers on stream.

>>16735315
>actively WANTS male collabs
They don't, the only reason they say so is because they get upvotes on Reddit.

>>16734508
>Death only has a dumb shark on her side

Gura is not that dumb and isn't gonna die on that hill

>>16735315
>we
>we
>we

>>16734508
Your Phoenix has spoken.
https://youtu.be/VBfgk0-kq7g

>>16734740
It's like being in school all over again but now your favorite interest has been taken over by those same people who made fun of you

>>16735587
She follows Mori like a loyal bitch dog. She's ready to die with her

>>16735315
Speak for yourself faggot, I fucking hate you idol shitters and how you lose your fucking minds at the mere mention of men. It's annoying as hell and you faggots are so fucking new to the hobby you actually think vtubing is supposed to be about idol no male shit when it never was and that was just a .LIVE/Hololive thing. I fucking hope and pray StarsEN is real and they're given the rockstar treatment and all of the collabs just for the final meltdown before all you faggots finally fuck off and stop clogging up the board with all your bitching and moaning.

>>16735862
Gura is genuinely nice to all of her genmates. It's Mori who pushes the whole big sister thing.

>>16736272
>Hololive thing
We're talking about Hololive, not vtubers in general, you fucking retard.

>>16736272
Well, it's a Hololive thing. Guess where Hololive en is... yep, why not let it have it's niche in peace?

>>16735379
That's the dumbest thing in all this, she should have kept that shit private, but lets be real, her friends wanted to get a boost in viewers and get a big time vtuber on their show.

>>16735315
Ok I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here. Can you explain to me the problem with male collabs?

>>16735749
God this was like watching someone trying to talk with a loaded piston to their head

>>16735144
Salty people jealous that she's collabing with guys.

Also he said something one year ago that a lot of this board actually agrees with (Just by being in Hololive, you're guaranteed a certain level of attention 2views can only dream of) but now its heresy. Just look at any thread about Council, for example.

>>16734085
if she starts the trend of them streaming in twitch more often I might consider dropping them, Having to do membership on another platform or heck even dealing with the issues of Vods vanishing after a certain period sucks, and I doubt anyone of them will bother uploading Vods on youtube after the 24 hour once the twitch streams piles of on them

>>16736461
Not that anon but the fact that you need to ask tells me everything I need to know. Look at all of the sub IQ troglodytes on the YouTube comments section over at https://youtu.be/VBfgk0-kq7g..

You're one of those.

>>16736675
24 hour period*

>>16735862
Take your meds buddy, Gura won't say no to the money just cause Mori wants to be retarded about this matter. Worst come to worst, myth will just become another gen 4 & 5, from 5 members to 4. However Mori will not see that Kson money, not by a long shot.

>>16736608
The way he said it implied shitting a bit on the talents.

>>16736272
BASED

>>16735144
>Mori gets troll SC shitting on friend
>Mori tells guy to fuck off
>Mori says that she'll donate troll SCs to the people that are being shit on
That's the jist of it. That friend however is Connor who is the boogeyman of this board. Here's the context:
>Connor had a stream with Ironmouse where he was discussing hypotheticals of talentless people lying on their resume in order to get a job
>He uses hololive in this hypothetical as an example of a successful company, not as an example of having talentless people
>He states that you're guaranteed success the second you get into hololive, regardless of your actual talent, since people won't be aware that you lied on your resume.
However the part that was clipped removed the entire context behind the discussion. That clip circulated around /vt/ ad nauseum which led to an intense hatred of Connor.
Connor is part of the TT podcast along with Joey, Joey made a video about Nene being in playboy. Anons lied about the video and said that Joey called Nene a whore, talentless, etc. Since anons were too lazy to watch the clip themselves, they just read biased "summaries" which fueled the hatred for TT even more. Here's the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ZHcqBumPc
Anyways, anons feel that their hatred of TT is justified and since Mori defended one of these people, she "deserves" hate for it too.

This woman is insane. She has the option to separate her character from herself. To keep her circle of friends private. But she is actively showing her support on every platform imaginable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azV_-M6VKlo

>>16736762
I wanted to approach this topic with an open mind instead of jumping to conclusions. If somehow that makes me "one of those", then so be it.
It sounds like you're too afraid to explain your point of view, even towards someone asking in earnest.

You guys are honestly insane. There is nothing wrong with hanging out and drinking with your male friend off stream. If you actually knew anything you would know that this is common for vtubers.
This Mori drama is retarded.

>>16737672
If you don't "get it" you don't belong here. I'm sorry but that's just how it is. Any explanation would be made fun of by you, you would call the poster mentally ill, tell them to touch grass, etc.

>>16737742
>off stream
I thought the entire reason this was an issue is because she doesn't keep it off stream/keeps doing it as mori

>>16737742
Based common sense poster.

>>16737742
Is this what your girlfriend tells you when she heads out to Tyrone's trap house?

>>16737823
There are actually some fucktards here who have problem with her hanging out with Connor off stream.

>>16737907
These women aren’t your girlfriends.

>>16737515
animated woman mogs on real females.
this is a project melody situation all over again.

>Project Nenechi

>>16737994
Actually they are but what would you know.

>>16737994
They sure are marketed that way though

>>16736272
Hello, based department?

>>16736272
>LET ME BE A KEK LET ME HAVE THIS

>>16737994
The truth you faggots need to understand

>>16737742
Common sense on /vt/? What a nice surprise.

>>16735752
>when the bullied kid joins the nerds and losers and find friends
>suddenly becomes popular over summer
>hangs out with the bullies now and bullies their former friends
Seems we never leave high school.

>>16737907
So your problem is that you know it's happening?
Unless their roommate is actively sharing stuff, you have absolutely no idea who they're dating and fucking offstream.

So why do you care about perceived on-stream flirting when getting fucked irl offline is way more cucked and you have no idea if or to what extent it's happening?

>>16734085
>is Death
she’s not though, she’s just his apprentice

>>16738355
>Common sense on /vt/? What a nice surprise.

screeching_soyjak.jpeg

>>16738468
Do you enjoy hanging out with couples as a group of 3?

>>16736272
okay

>>16737515
never use nene pic ever again fucking dumbass

>>16738593
Which is more cucked?

>Thirdwheeling a couple
>Liking an online girl whose getting fucked offline by someone else

>>16738593
>do you enjoy thinking that two good friends are fucking each in a discord sex call
kek

>>16738716
>he's seething that someone didn't fall for rrats
Oh nyoo~

Reminder that the trolls fanning the flames are trying to destroy HoloEN.

>>16738763
the latter, being a third wheel doesn't cuck you.

>>16737994
Yeah, they're mine.

>>16735752
>>16738373
You watch en vtubers, YOU are the problem
You pretend you were here from the beginning when you weren't and act like your oldfags when you weren't. We should've gatekept from people like you.

>>16738828
>deleted for being naive and retarded
deserved

>>16738763
Third wheeling the couple is more cucked if you like the girl.

>>16738828
nice schizopost, did you write that yourself?
a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link

>>16738763
Neither. Former is just awkward. Latter is irrelevant as long as she doesn't discuss it onstream.

>>16738911
>>16738966
Calm down, antis.

How do you reconcile the fact that "flirting" with males in a collab is supposedly cucked yet when your oshi says "i love you" to a stream of 10,000 different men that's not cucked?
A woman telling multiple men she loves them is insanely cucked, so why do they get a pass for that?

>>16738887
Yea Hololive's entire fanbase was all well adjusted Chads and Stacies before the shut in neckbeard weaboos started to join in

>>16739044
dilate, redditor.

>>16738820
i'm surprised there's a husband this retarded. one bad apple i hope

>>16739044
Being a Mori anti is a moral obligation at this point.

>>16738957
You're a retard

>>16734085
Christ this is two full days of this shit. Must be supply line issues in meds.

>>16739075
It's not cucked because it is addressed to the formless entity in which you inhabit

>>16739075
>How do you reconcile the fact that "flirting" with males in a collab is supposedly cucked yet when your oshi says "i love you" to a stream of 10,000 different men that's not cucked?

All those other people at the chat are faceless unlike another male who will be getting her full attention since she's streaming with him. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

nothing wrong with networking

>>16739128
Your being smothered in your sleep is a moral obligation but you don't see anyone handing me a pillow

>>16739095
>>16739128
Go back to discord

>>16739125
>still no rebuttal
You sure showed me bro!

>>16739218
That's even worse because you're being cucked by her flirting with 10,000 faceless losers like yourself

>>16739256
Funny how you just told me to calm down.

>>16739184
Blame Mori for opening the floodgates with this shit. This is a natural reaction when you have this type of fanbase. No other Hololive Vtuber was this fucking retarded.

>>16739199
>>16739218
To recognize this as a meaningful difference despite both being at it's core the same you have to realize that's almost like a mass psychosis right?
For you to unironically type that and think it's something a mentally well person would think is just delusional

>>16739311
I'm a completely different person. I don't want you to calm down. I want you to be smothered by your caretaker so you stop taking up resources.

>>16739300
Again, those losers are all faceless including me. They aren't really connecting with her as opposed to another male vtuber who will be getting her full attention during a stream.

>>16737744
Who died and named you king of /vt/ you absolute fucking panty sniffing purity dreaming potato-headed cocksucking meido praising autist-scale-breaking social pariah wannabe oldfag summer ant NEET piece of fucking filth

>>16737515
there was also the clip where connor talked on his stream about how people should let female vtubers do what they want and if they want to collab with males, which just made it sound like "you should let me do what I want with them"

>>16739460
>>16739473
Calm down, Connor.

>>16739090
No but the unicornfags didn't overstep their bounds and have to fool themselves with pseudo-intellectual buzzwords to justify liking anime girls.

>>16739370
Pretty sure the only thing retarded is the maybe two dozen incel mother fuckers who have nothing better to do.

>>16739436
Why stop there then anon? Why bother puppeteer the anime avatar then since it's all fake, huh? Lore is a meme anyways. Actually you know something fuck it. Let's just go back talking to real women.

>>16739463
You're a cuck
No matter how you rationalize it you're a cuck, her affection is being split between 10,000 people and that's 10,000 times more cucked than if it was 1 person

>>16739436
Ok and?

i dont think the main problem is with connur. The real problem is Mori’s enormous ego that needs to be checked. The way she handled her response to the superchat was incredibly unprofessional despite what the yesmen who blow dick daily will say in her comment section. She KNOWS shes cash cow of EN and thinks she can throw her weight around like the boss she imagines herself to be. In reality shes a huge fucking sperg that doesn’t know how to stay out of drama even if her life depended on it. Even at the beginning of her last Jump King stream she was stirring more shit up because she doesn’t know how to fucking humble herself and just the shut the fuck up about it. She NEEDS rape correction.

>>16739567
>it's the viewers fault not mine

>>16739677
>you're a cuck now please let me watch my oshi stream with another man and she ignores my supachats

>>16739716
don't make me call you out namefag...

>>16735315
Very, very few people actually want male collabs, but on Reddit/YouTube you have to say you want it otherwise you get told you're a fucking psycho creep loser. If people wanted to watch the male stars, they would, and they would have lots of subscribers, but they don't, because watching random Japanese dudes with anime avatars is fucking cringe without any of the cuteness that offsets the cringe when watching the girls.

>>16739677
Imagine calling someone else a cuck while defending male collabs. The dissonance is unreal.

>>16739951
NTA but I think he's just pointing out that complaining about cuckery is dumb

>>16739672
Because I don't watch vtubers for GFE. Anyone who does and doesn't realize the obvious contradiction inherent to the feedback loop is retarded.

If you watch for GFE as a cope for your shitty life and aren't lying to yourself about why or what's real, that's fine but it seems like most of the people here take vtubers way too seriously

>>16739951
anon, go take your meds. We don't watch chuubas in hopes to get our dick sucked, we'd sooner become a millionaire and honestly, we'd sooner get an actual girlfriend outside.
Do you go to the groceries expecting to doggystyle raw the cashier? Same thing, we just come here watch funny, laugh then move on with our day. Simple as.

>>16735749
https://streamable.com/hks3b7
Counter point, Kiara acknowledges idolfags rights to exist, and she's one for k-pop.

>>16739951
There is nothing cucked about supporting a woman's right to have a choice

>>16739923
Yup, it's virtue signalling and it happens here too. Tourists stumble upon /vt/ (because drama generates traffic), think we're "psycho creep losers" and have to spout their uninformed shallow normalfag opinions at us.

>>16739075
>mental gymnastics
no one cares dude, just give attention to viewers and not some male streamer, simple as.

>>16739923
Very true. It's all sub IQ retards who comment on YouTube videos and screeching numales on Reddit who are all supportive of male collabs for whatever reason. I suspect it stems from a cuckold fetish and I also have a strong feeling Mori is into sadomasochism

>>16739716
Seriously don't think most fans would care if the woman of Hololive occasionally collab with men. It really doesn't fucking matter. The problem comes when they invite drama shit into the Hololive sphere because no one wants to come to their cute anime girl streams to listen to retarded drama. Mori does this by actively bucking against the negative superchats and comments to the point that she spent her own money to 'get them'. It's about as retarded as the 'own the libs' sentiment and comes off petty as fuck, inviting more circular drama between fans of Connor or her. Fucking stop. Just drop it. Don't reply to comments that rile you up, just ignore them and do your thing, but don't expect to not get any backlash if you do something people (your fans) don't like.

>>16740124
What? Feeling insecure are we?

Cali, Come home. We don't care if you Collab with males.

>>16737515
To be fair, Connor earned his hate well before that clip.

>>16740197
>Seriously don't think most fans would care if the woman of Hololive occasionally collab with men

Anon...people on this board have literally cut the name of their oshi into their arm and posted it on here after finding out their oshi had a bf

>>16739817
>>16739951
Are all you unicornfags ESL or retarded?
The entire point I'm making is that you're trying to make the distinction that one form of cucking is worse than the other when in reality cucking is still cucking. You're literally arguing that the form of cucking you enjoy is better than the other because of x arbitrary reason when you shouldn't accept cucking at all.

>>16740124
>Give attention to multiple men instead of 1
>That's somehow better
lmao

Everyone in here seems to be saying "Why shouldn't they collab with men??" but nobody is asking why SHOULD they? What do the Holostars actually have to offer in terms of enjoyable content? Are there any standouts? Some utterly hilarious or really talented Holostars that simply must be seen? Or is it just a case of doing it for the sake of it because it's progressive and shit? To me they just seem like random Japanese tryhard streamers with cringe avatars, they have no appeal on their own, and shoehorning them into collabs with their wildly successful female counterparts isn't going to change that

What's stopping you from becoming an anituber and drowning in vtuber pussy?

>>16740268
>Imagine
Double Tomboy collab!

>>16739923
>Very, very few people actually want male collabs
You're not considering the people who are indifferent to male collabs. A lot of people don't give a shit either way. Besides, if your oshi collabs with a male...just don't watch the stream if it bothers you so much.
I don't mind unicorns existing but getting angry over dumb shit like collabs is fucking retarded.

>>16740469
Chat is not "multiple men" and chuubas don't see it that way, they can't have a personal relationship with individuals so they visualize chat as a singular entity, usually embodied by something cute like a tako or a shrimp. Interacting with the chat hivemind is not the same as laughing and giggling with some random dude in VC who can respond and joke and flirt on a personal level, pretending that's the case is delusional

>>16740052
Anon you may think you're unique for not forming a parasocial relationship but you're just lying to yourself. I have no clue why you need to virtue signal on here of all places but I'm gonna guess you just want a break of the echo chamber you're usually in to argue with people who aren't afraid of being honest while anonymous.

>>16739923
Pin this post on the fucking catalog

>>16740568
>You're not considering the people who are indifferent to male collabs
I am, they probably account for most, but if most people don't give a fuck, some people really don't like the idea and a tiny amount of people actually want it, why is the minority getting their way?

>>16740052
>Because I don't watch vtubers for GFE

You're a bad liar.

>>16740483
Men are funny, women are just cute retards who do funny things.
Collabing with males brings up the comedic value if they play to strengths.

The real answer is that people just self insert as the guy vtuber and pretend the oshi is interacting 1 on 1 with them

>>16740327
Most fans. I say that meaning that even the big paypigs wouldn't care about the occasional male collab. If they keep it limited and keep the talk of some guy only cropping up when it's fully related to the topic or talking about their past stream, then no one with any sanity will give a fuck. I gosling all day in my Oshi's split and I'm not gonna fucking die if she collabs with a man once. The main problem is continuous mentions or collabs with the same guy or inviting drama, i.e. exactly what Mori is doing. Mori's caught between a rock and a hard place because she wants to talk about her personal time and what she does to her fans because that's part of the fun, but doing so means bringing up non-hololive, non-vtuber people constantly. She could just do something like using 'my friend' but she is purposefully talking about Connor and her irl friends by name.

>>16740685
>Men are funny
Okay show me a funny Holostars clip then

>>16740534
I have always liked watching Selen. A collab between Mori and her would be kino.
It's unfortunate that the BOI stream got postponed but I hope your oshi's doing well.

>>16740483
>Everyone in here seems to be saying "Why shouldn't they collab with men??" but nobody is asking why SHOULD they?
Because they don't get the attention they deserve?

>>16740685
>ha ha my dumb oshi and funny male vtuber work so well together
>i wonder when they'll fuck

You come from the same gene pool who used to write to Fox about wanting Mulder and Scully to fuck already.

>>16740671
Delusional GFE seeking fag

>>16740769
Because I'm here for a cute woman acting like a retard and nothing else. I don't really care about getting my hardcore laughs from Hololive/vtubing and have much better options than this for humor.

>>16740602
>they can't have a personal relationship with individuals so they visualize chat as a singular entity
If you can't be interacted with on a personal level, that implies you can't be cucked as there was never a person level of interaction anyway.

That's like saying watching anime with waifus is cucked because they're interacting with guys.

>>16735749
god her new model is so cute

the fact that the stars haven't blown up at this point despite the whole "muh hololive unity" act people seem to have is honestly proof that Stars isn't actually that wanted in the community.

Like jesus, the newest holo will have 400k subs for free, Stars even with the explosion of hololive's success still struggles to pass 200k milestone.

>>16740666
>why is the minority getting their way?
You're viewing this in a weird way. It's not as if male collabs are only happening because the minority is clamoring for it. Chuubas chose to collab with males because they want to. They are perfectly free to not collab with males. Most of the EN branch has yet to collab with males. Coco made it her policy to not collab with males.

>>16740838
>he watches qt anime girls just to watch them horribly play the same 10 year old games over and over again

>>16740910
I'm a different anon to the cuck guy, I don't think it's cuckoldry for them to collab with men, I just think it's an unpleasant experience to watch a Holo you really like interacting with a random dude for a whole stream

>>16734494
Holy shit the foreshadow

>>16740973
>Chuubas chose to collab with males because they want to
We'll see, Gura clearly doesn't want to so if she does it will be obvious they are being pushed into it BTS

>>16740607
Not limited to vtubers, but any media personalities you like or think are funny/entertaining are parasocial.
Unless you don't watch media you like can't escape any parasocial relationship

>>16739923
There's countless people who cum at the mere mention of Connor though

>>16740806
If that were true that's infinitely better because all parties involved realize that it's fiction VS these pathetic virgins actually feeling legit emotions for these girls playing characters

>>16738887
I'm not learning Japanese dude get over it. Hololive didn't have to make an EN group, but they did. And I'm going to complain about mori not being a unicorn and they're nothing you can do about it.

>Why people don't want Holostars collabs
1. The Stars have basically no appeal on their own, almost nobody would be watching them if not for the girls they collab with - so why collab to begin with?
2. Watching Hololive is like watching cute girls having fun at a sleepover, because they are with friends and it's all girls, they can get away with making some risqué jokes with each other, but as soon as you involve men, it's no longer cheeky and cute, it becomes seedy and gross.
3. The girls are all aware of ships between themselves and play into them because it's cute, but adding men into the mix opens up the possibility of playing into ships between Holos and Stars, which I think would make a lot of people angry, uncomfortable or just grossed out.
4. Let's face it, this is a hobby that attracts a lot of lonely guys, men who would really do anything to interact with their oshi and even pay $100's just to have their message read by them, so how do you think they will feel when they have to sit through 2 hours of some random dude laughing and joking with their oshi in VC? I think a lot of us would feel a bit jealous, and some people would feel utterly betrayed.
5. Holostars fans are comprised of femcels, trannies and homosexuals, just look at all the Reddit threads asking why Holostars don't get as much attention as Hololive, it's full of exactly the sort of people you don't want in a fan community. I usually hate the slippery slope argument but as soon as you start having mixed-gender Holo streams as the norm, you'll start getting gay shit, transgender vtubers, girls flirting with male vtubers and everything that was special about a group of cute girls having fun together will be shit on by forced westernized homogeneity.

>>16741003
No, I watch my Oshi because I enjoy her pretend company. Her acting cutely and talking about herself and her personal life a ton is exactly why I want to watch her. The bideogames is just a nice backdrop for it.

>>16741037
>I don't think it's cuckoldry
>I just think it's similar to cuckoldry

>>16741073
I mean everyone was begging for Gura to do a solo JP collab for the longest time but she waited until she was ready to do it. I don't think she'll do a male collab anytime soon but if she did I would just assume that her stance changed or that you wanted to try it out, not that she was forced.

>>16741296
Based taste. Zatsudan is the supreme form of content.

>>16739567
>incel
>Actually using that word in 2022 in thread on 4chan
Mori stop posting.

>>16741298
Where did I say that? It's just jealousy at seeing some random dude get an opportunity to interact with your oshi that you will never get, it's not like you're worried he'll fuck her or something, it's just not going to be fun to watch.

>>16741349
She has gone out of her way to avoid mention of Holostars, or any male streamers, and doesn't even follow them back on twitter or anything. It would be a pretty major shift in her stance..

>>16741086
vtubers are different than your average e-whore who is honest about things such as bleaching her butthole and having premarital sex.

>>16741277
But people like you are what caused this. You didn't have to watch them, but you did.
Newfags and redditfags will continue to flood this hobby and there's nothing you can do about it.
Male collabs will become normal and you will be treated like shit for not like it and there's nothing you can do about it.
These people will invade every hobby/website you take part in and there's nothing you can do about it.

You will receive every punishment in the world for being an ignorant newfag who didn't respect the true original culture just like I'm being punished for not gatekeeping you hard enough by having infest my hobby

>>16739716
>reality shes a huge fucking sperg that doesn’t know how
This. The connor part is just the catalyst. She's undisciplined and thinks her stupid boring friends are much cooler so wants everyone to like them when no one wants to. Just like her obsession of trash taste and other awful rappers she knows being forced in. No one wanted that content and they still don't. She's just too sperg to keep her real life away.

>>16741296
Well that's just more sad.

>>16741403
You just described what most of these anons considered cucking but with more steps.

>>16741037
>I just think it's an unpleasant experience to watch a Holo you really like interacting with a random dude for a whole stream
I don't share the same views but I can see where you're coming from. It's basically like watching a CGDCT but then a guy is added into the mix.

>>16741553
Okay? Well I don't consider it "cucking" I just don't want it to happen because it will be unpleasant to watch.

>r/holofags and homobeggers trying to act as if the problem is Mori collabing with men
The problem is her collabing with people that shit talk her coworkers, supposed "friends," and the very job she claims to be so grateful towards. The problem is she lied to try to justify this and then lectured the people calling her on this. The problem is her breaking her own rule of donating to her friends anonymously seemingly only to antagonize her viewerbase. The problem is her doubling down on all of this and saying if someone dares criticize her or her shitbag friends then she'll give any money that viewer has given to her over to them. The fact that management hasn't told her to shut the fuck up or put her on break is another example of Hololive's managers being fucking retarded. She's only going to keep antagonizing her viewers left to herself.

>>16741529
I wouldn't doubt that that's a pretty big reason a lot of men watch these woman and donate like crazy to them. To assume otherwise would be pretty disingenuous, especially the higher on the SC totem you get. Like it or hate it, it's the reality of the situation. I personally only watch my Oshi when I don't have anything else to do with people irl. When I'm home alone and have some down time, it's the perfect fill-in for not having a girlfriend.

>>16740744
Thank you! You are cool Deadbeats just like your oshi

>>16737515
With the full context he is still saying her genmates are talentless. He even apologized to them. Mori made my oshi talk to a male. He had to talk to her to "apologize." Whether that be by email or directly talking. Gura is pure

>>16737742
Nope. Not normal for my gura

>>16734402
Already found 3 on Twitch and one of them already said she is against male collabs. Hololive EN is a meme.

>>16739460
Same but instead it’s niggers not whoever that anon is

>>16737957
yea, me

>>16742342
Did he gave you the good suck?

>>16737994
Yes they are, they're idols

>>16742000
post them

>>16737994
Yes they are, and if they aren't Hololive wouldn't be as big as it is today.

>>16739677
>her affection is being split between 10,000 people and that's 10,000 times more cucked than if it was 1 person

Not really. She isn't personally engaging with everyone as much as you would with someone who is literally speaking to her out loud during a stream.

>>16741779
We get it Mori’s retarded. Can y’all let this rest now?

>>16737742
There wouldn't be anything wrong if TT doesn't hate Hololive

>>16742739

>Fallenshadow (has personally said she won't do male collabs because she's aware it'll make her viewers jealous

>Koumariya

>KKCyber

>>16742769
If she can't personally engage with audience then it's not cucking if there was never any personal level of interaction going on

>>16742881
based

>>16742817
you know you can just ignore this thread or watch other threads instead?

>>16737515
he didn't call her a whore outright, but he sure as hell did say that she is good at 'manipulating' her 'band of simps'. i don't even know what sort of shade he trying to throw, because that shit can be applied to any streamer.

>>16742961
Anon are you autistic, I'm not being mean I'm genuinely asking. As for your question no one can personally speak to over a thousand people like with one person that is co-streaming with you but you can read supas and share stories to still engage with your viewers

>>16743112
You claim I'm autistic when you're the one making the distinction between attention division and levels of affection being conveyed while they're playing a character.

How many layers of irony are you on?

>>16743482
Now you just sound frustrated

>>16743015
He called her a whore. That's what they do, literally manipulate men into giving them money. The retarded ones use their bodies, but the high class ones are there for paid companionship.

>>16737742
I still have the email address I made for the fcf anime survey. It's full of spam about mental health and shit. Fuck those scammers and anyone that defends them.

>>16744070
it makes even it funnier that he shilled for otaku coins. that makes him the biggest whore of them all by that definition.

>>16736608
“Joining hololive means guaranteed success even if you’re a talentless person”
This is what he implied.

>>16734085
I'm all for it, I don't even remember where I hanged out most of the time before vtubers, destroy this hobby/interest already so I can return

Ok, please tell me what happened, apart from liking Jojo and something with Connor? I don’t watch her but I wanna know whats happening

How bad will the death of EN affects Hololive as a whole?

Aren't you guys acting as if these alleged "males" would go through the process of getting a visa, buy a plane ticket to travel to said destination, and show up at their door with flowers and chocolate?

You guys do know this type of stuff is over the internet right?

>>16745989
I bet you're the same type of simple minded normie that thinks an NFT's are just downloadable images

>>16745770
Mori got backlash for the whole mlpe vtuber thing and is now doubling down. Virtue signaling sycophants following suit.

>>16745836
less revenue made, Cover was and still is very slow in promoting/assisting EN because they focus on their main branch first. Even if it's logical to better support EN cause the EN market is huge, they will not because of YAMATO DAMASHII!!!! or something.

It's too late to cry, /vt/.
You had your chance in the first Novmber. You could have gatekeeped the guillotine goddess of Golgotha when she still had doubts about this path. But you were weak. You hesitated.
And now your oshi is going to talk to a male, and hide that fact onstream.

>>16740769
I don't get the salary I deserve. You should give yours to me

>>16741284
>just look at all the Reddit threads asking why Holostars don't get as much attention as Hololive, it's full of exactly the sort of people you don't want in a fan community
especially this
The just want to hijack successful one to promote themselves, exactly the sort of people who are killing movie and gaming industry now

>>16737742
Then keep it off stream? Especially if those guys keep shitting on hololive

I have no problem with collabs with Holostars or whoever, the problem is specifically the TT idiots which consist of two people who hate Hololive, and the third is fucking Gigguk.

>>16737515
>Mori gets troll SC shitting on friend
WRONG faggot, it wasn't a troll. The troll SC's came after she exploded like a fucking menhera.
The original SC wasn't a shitpost, it was a proper concern that Calli kept promoting someone who has shat all over hololive talents without apology.

>>16749852
>/vt/ shits all over hololive talents without apology
>(You) keep promoting them

>>16749370
>and the third is fucking Gigguk.
Gigguk at least isn't as retarded as the other two and seems to have some fucking tact, even if all he does is condense /a/ maymays for his redditard audience for a living.
The worst you could say about him in regards to hololive specifically is his disingenuous
>well err I don't watch them so much anymore because **reasons, but I'm REALLY LIKING vshojo!!! (also because literally fucking reasons)

but that's fucking nothing compared to intentionally misconstruing things for views and actively shitting on holos, also for views.
Since however he comes in a threepack shitsandwich fucking AWAY that shit.

>>16742817
We got it, you're a salty cuckbeat. Can you hide the thread if it bothers you so much?

>>16737515
Joey pretty much also called Nene a manipulative whore, so if Calli considers those TT faggots as friends then she is also a piece of shit.

>>16750117
>/vt/ is a single entity
leddit-tier sentiment
there is no "we" here fagwhore, it's just a forum for expressing opinions no matter how shit

>>16741779
>r/holofags and homobeggers trying to act as if the problem is Mori collabing with men
and they will continue to effect this form of narrative altering damage control as a final cope

>>16750782
so then what IS the problem, if not the m*les? Cuz whatever it is, it's embarrassing enough that you're all pretending to give a shit what some /a/sshole thinks about Nene

>>16750926
>Mori keeps trying to appeal to people who have not and will not care about her interests because she thinks they're cooler than they are

>>16737515
>>He states that you're guaranteed success the second you get into hololive, regardless of your actual talent, since people won't be aware that you lied on your resume.
Is he wrong?

>>16750926
The problem is that Mori has exposed her true feelings about Hololive and her genmates and her senpai; she thinks they're shit.
The nene thing is just something that other anon tacked on, which though it is a legit grievance, isn't the primary cause of all the shitflinging as that lies on that connor cunt and mori's insane defense of him to the expense of all the other girls.

>>16738828
>Caring for your oishi is now classified as trolling
Fuck off.

>>16742881
>Fallenshadow
That loli is gonna milk my dick and wallet dry if I don't control myself

>>16738828
>unity with mori who thinks so lowly of her genmates and the girls that built the company that gave her any modicum of success in her life
ok

>>16747453
Mlpe?

>>16750926
Connor is an opportunistic scumfuck who openly shittalks vtuber culture.

>>16751644
Only hololive vtuber culture, Mousey doesn't seem have to any problems with him.

To all the white knighting deadbraps, Mori Calliope is a character created and owned by hololive. D*mondic* is the voice actor, whose job is to play the character for the audience in exchange of superchats. They can talk about their real life family or friends without giving them a name, but saying stuff like "Connor is my Friend" breaks the immersion of the character, turning her into just a streamer using an anime avatar instead of a character. Is Connor Mori's friend, or D*mondic*'s friend? If it's the former, does that mean Connor is now part of Mori Calliope's lore and part of Hololive now? Is TT part of Mori Calliope's lore as well?
JP talents handle this stuff correctly. If they have to vent their anger about IRL issues like stalkers or antis, they go menhera on their roommate account, not while they are playing their holo character.
By the way, everytime Mori sends 50 subs to Connor ($250), she's sending $1500 worth of superchats from the deadbraps to Connor

>>16751718
Mori should unironically be fined

>>16751671
Ironmouse is a slut who fakes severe illness to bait donations

>>16751671
Yeah, she just immediately told him to shut the fuck up when he brought up hololive as a negative example.

>>16751922
And he doubled down
Just imagine all the bad shit they talk about hololive private when Mori hangs out with TT

>>16744474
I completely forgot about that. I'm surprised Trash Taste hasn't been dragged through the mud on Twitter or something for that, especially now with everyone shitting on scams like NFTs

Classic /vt/sisters and unicorns aligning to freak out about nothing. Connor nor the other anitubers hate Hololive. Calli isn’t going to force collars with him or other anitubers. This board is full of emotionally stunted idiots that think everyone is as resentful and crazy as them.

>>16752585
NO YOU CAN'T DESTROY MY FANTASY LIKE THIS. I'M A KEK GODDAMMIT. WHY WON'T YOU BASTERD LEAVE ME ALONE. MORI IS FUCKING CONNOR RIGHT NOW AND I WON'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY.

>>16752585
(You)

cuck

>>16739923
Yes, a small minority has managed to completely takeover the comment sections and boards to the point where it is hard to find unicorn posts across YouTube or Reddit. This is a reasonable conclusion and not schizo thinking.

>>16752585
>>16752664
>new IPs
>only replying to the last new IP post
Hmm....

>>16752585
2/4, first and last statements are correct

>>16735749
>your girlfriend asking to switch to an open relationship

>>16752781
Globalfags playing sleuth and thinking they can tell who is posting purely by IP count is the weirdest phenomenon on this board.

>>16735752
Reasons like these are exactly why vtubers shouldn't collab with males or get political. It just ruins the entire thing.

>>16741500
t. brainlet

>>16752585
promoting lies is not good for future relationships

>>16752792
The proof that they hate Hololive is that they recognize the girls play a role of GFE and their fans give them money. They are basically restating what supporters of that dynamic have said ITT. But they used the word simp which triggers schizos. They’ve also said Hololive girls get a massive boost just from their brand name. That’s true and also an uncontroversial opinion here. In fact, when not purposefully removed from context, all their statements follow this same pattern. But because they aren’t unicorns, can actually interact with the girls, and are moderately successfully, the schizos here lose their minds.

Calli’s stance on giving her super chats to people that are criticized is a bit cringe and heavy handed, but she’s also got the ‘tism so it’s hard to believe she’s doing it out of spite of her fans, her coworkers, and the way she makes a living…because that’s insane. She clearly likes her coworkers and fans and company.

>>16752895
So in a thread with 200+ posts, suddenly someone with a new IP comes to post an bait then immediately after another new IP replies to that specific post and not the previous ones. Nothing to see here ma'am

>>16738820
oh nyoo~

:D

>>16750507
>friends with someone
>automatically agree with 100% of everything all of their own friends says

>>16737957
yeah but the main problem is she uses her hololive account for it
she should keep things private

>>16753211
>automatically agree with 100% of everything all of their own friends says
But that's normal normie behavior

>>16734085
tbqh just like coco would cause the death in general?
The only God of Death in this world is Sio, who coincidentally never did anything wrong in the first place.

>>16734085
SEAnigs and gooks seething won't kill HoloEN you're not part of the intended audience no matter how much you chimp out

Mori is a cunt and should graduate, no doubt. But only because of associating with anituber fuckers and not maintaining her kayfabe and bringing irl shit into vtubing like a twitch thot. Not because of males in general.
NO ONE fucking cares about male collabs, drill into your thick skulls fucking newfags. Suisei and Sora collabed with males and no one fucking cared because idolshit is not about unicornfagging at all, it's about you supporting your oshi's dream in getting better at singing, dancing, creating content, reaching milestones and celebrating occasions with her fans, achieving her goals. Even for vtubers who do GFE only the most deranged but wealthy minority unironically and literally considers them their girlfriends. They are the reason some girls choose to explicitly say they'll never collab with males, they are just shielding themselves from schizos, it's not like they run away from any male in a kilometer radius in public, kek. Other people in fanbase can have their reasons - finding a chuuba sexually attractive, liking her voice, liking a specific type of her content, finding her funny etc.
But the supreme form of supporting a chuuba is making her your idol, your kamioshi - not as in unicornfagging, but as in smiling every day seeing her tweets and streams and supporting every single one of her dreams. People who are saying things like "I watch my oshi for games, I don't care about her idolshit, I hate jpop" etc deserve the rope. It's not only about singing and performing, it's about deeply caring for a person and wishing them happiness and success no matter what and feeling happy from smallest things they do. I think it's even weird to have sexual thoughts about your kamioshi, I find a lot of vtubers sexy but I can't bring myself to enjoy my oshi's doujins, they all are way too low quality and ugly for such a beautiful girl. Truly supporting your oshi is a bit like a religion though much less extreme and harmful, not like a fucking relationship you dumbfucks. If she's truly your oshi you just admire her forever, you don't think you'll be deserving of her someday.
And yeah, as a postscriptum - people are fine being friends with opposite sex if they're not mentally ill or extremely socially stunted. I've never even really seen people who would have a problem with it irl. Not all people are scumbags, a lot of them are actually capable of maintaining a happy relationship and having friends of opposite sex and not thinking of fucking them.
And then again, the problem with Mori is not having a male friend but being a lying cunt and uncaring entitled bitch and not trying to maintain a vtuber persona, like people already said.

>>16753854
that post was almost as long as the welshman's cock
the difference is I don't have to read it, but (You) have to watch him mindbreak your oshi

>>16753854
>t. someone who gets it

>>16753896
My oshi is JP and she will never even know about this subhuman's existence.

>>16737742
cuckbeat damage control trying to change the story
it's got nothing to do with male collabs whatsoever, but rather mori's association with, defense of and implicit agreement with something that has severely bad-mouthed every single member of hololive from sora onward without apology

>>16753987
But he was right about Hololive and Calli also agrees with him. What's there to apologize for??

you absolute faggots are missing the point. Male anituber weeb loser streamers are not cute and funny like the female ones. They are annoying and make streams less fun. If holostars en was full of cool funny people I wouldn’t give a shit, but they are all such insufferable, unfunny, losers. absolute waste of my favorite cute streamers time and energy.

>>16754059
>female ones
like who?

>>16753854
>Mori is a cunt and should graduate, no doubt. But only because of associating with anituber fuckers and not maintaining her kayfabe and bringing irl shit into vtubing like a twitch thot. Not because of males in general.
NO ONE fucking cares about male collabs, drill into your thick skulls fucking newfags.
Reminder that Calli collabed with Rikka and nobody gave a shit, deadbeats like it. But noooo express concern over a guy that shits all over holos and you're banned and branded a unicorn incel.
It's 100% cope. Every deadbeat knows this deep down, this unsettling feeling that's never been resolved with Calli and the group that look down on all the girls.

>>16754091
>Reminder that Calli collabed with Rikka
funny how much this collab gets memory holed in this discussion

>>16754059
Literally no HoloEN is funny

>>16752538
no one here likes them or anitubers
leddit loves them thus twitter loves them
and since no negative sentiment is ever allowed to build up steam or even be mildly discussed without deletion and bans on there any outrage bleeds out to other places, namely here
i'm really surprised that the hafu that shits on nene hasn't been cancelled because he's an open lolifag who courts a sjw viewership.

Holo en froyotech collab when?

>>16754143
Because they're trying to frame the discussion as if it's just a bunch of salty purityfags and not people pissed off over one member of hololive shitting on the others.

>>16754035
Even not considering whether Connor was right or not... Stop fucking interacting with 3D people (if they're not part of a culture like ZUN or seiyuus) as your vtuber persona period. Don't break the immersion, don't bring your anituber shit into vtubing, just fucking SHUT UP, it's not Twitch. De***di** already appeared in Sydsnap's video recently, what's stopping her from interacting with them in this form and not as Mori Calliope?
Also stop being a lying cunt because Mori just clearly shitted out these words about him apologizing as a convenient momentary lie and thinks she'll get away with it easily. (Which she probably will, but doesn't make her less of a cunt.)
>>16754091
I mean Rikka is based, he's boring but his music skills are good. Fuckers who are trying to spin this controversy as people being mad about males when in fact people are mad about anituber cringe shit deserve the rope. People who get baited by this and start sperging out about how Mori is destroying Hololive, shitting on "unicornchads" and ruining vtubing despite being fucking newfags who probably weren't even here for Myth debuts and don't know shit also deserve the rope.

>>16742739
Amano Nene and asuka Lua. The GFE primus of smol company

>>16753939
>she will never even know about this subhuman's existence
that's what they used to say about HoloEN...

>Giving a shit about Omeger lore
Do /vt/sissies really?

>>16754348
>funni Haachama pic
"Opinion" discarded

>>16737515
You left out some convenient parts like connor doubling down on what he said, which wasn't as clean as you tell it. Also the Nene thing is not defendable, the guy called nene an ill meaning manipulator.

As much as I love to see people shit on mori this is getting old can we move on to something else soon?

>>16754531
Don't worry, Anon.
Soon you'll never have to talk about Hololive again :}

>>16754565
thank god

>>16754598
I did

>>16753854
Imagine getting so upset that you had to write all of this

>>16755114
that shrimp png had better not give any opinions about anime on youtu.be or SO HELP ME

>>16754531
no :P

>>16734085
Kson follows Connor and Joey now!
Much love to Coco and Calli for breaking down barriers, 2D and 3D worlds unite!

C'mon guys continue. Seeing y'all niggers seething gives me pleasure. Keep going, because this is entertaining as fuck.

>>16755687
>now

>>16755983
Nice try, but Mori (basic bitch white woman) is too scared to go to the racist hacker website known as 4chan.

>>16755983
>y'all

>>16756019
Well if not before why the fuck no one talked about it? Never heard about Kson and Joey especially whereas how many threads have their been about Joey/Nene and Connor/Calli in just this past week?

>>16755983
Of course you love the attention. Don't forget that despite being a huge cash cow, Coco was bullied into resigning
>>16756050
she's been shilling her garbage "music" on /mu/ back then, newnigger.
She got ignored/saged most of the time.

>>16756136
because no one gives a fuck about it but you

>>16756181
>she's been shilling her garbage "music" on /mu/ back then, newnigger
You think I'm keeping up with what fucking Mori was doing before Hololive? Still, I stand corrected. I hope she sees it all and cries.

>>16756215
>You think I'm keeping up with what fucking Mori was doing before Hololive?
fair enough, why would anyone know of a nobody, kek

>>16756181
>Of course you love the attention. Don't forget that despite being a huge cash cow, Coco was bullied into resigning

She was alone against a whole fucking nation. And friends are more important than anything. Ofc a loser nigger like you wouldn't get it. Anyways, done wasting my time here having fun seeing y'all having a meltdown. Have a nice day.

>>16756597
>She was alone against a whole fucking nation
No, it wasn't even that many antis. They used bots. /vt/ could do way worse.

I no longer want to watch hololive.

>>16734740
That guy's a fag.

>>16734085
I don't watch EN shit. Can somebody give me a qrd?

>>16756670
Mori collabed with male

>>16756597
>And friends are more important than anything.
exactly the very reason why this thread exists. Defending pieces of shit that kick down on you and your friends should be shunned, not rewarded. But keep going with that stockholm syndrome.
>>16756670
too much context for a qrd
>>16756781
the rikka collab is proof that this isn't an issue at all

>>16735752
lol had to be a chumbud

>>16756670
Calli is associating with TT crew too much for the taste of anons and some deadbeats, harassment SCs sent in so she turned around and used them to gift subs to Connor live on-stream as a middle finger to anti's. People are now convinced that recent events show she cares more about her friends than her 'work friends' and she has no qualms about breaking every known rule when it comes to Hololive.

>>16756670
https://streamable.com/5a8uq2

>>16737515
>That clip circulated around /vt/ ad nauseum which led to an intense hatred of Connor.
I hate conner because he's a doxfag far more interested in mori's roommate being on his show than mori

>>16737742
m8, they all probably have male friends but the difference is the dude in question is a proven clout chaser who will do anything to get ahead.

>>16737994
Yeah but Mori sure markets herself quite often as one haha

Women and men make bad friends.
Its always stale, the banter is limited or even lost.
For vtubers this means collabing between sexes are always a loss in content.
For men watching female vtubers the "looking through the keyhole into the slumber party" is lost.
For women watching male vtubers the "being one of the boys" is lost.
The holo vtubers can do whatever they like within company rules in my opinion but then they revoke their right to complain when people get bored and stop watching.

>>16756901
The "rules" only exist in your schizo head

>>16757234
>schizo schizo schizo you're a fucking SCHIZO
Please stop using words you don't understand, cuckbeat.

What is vt mad about this time? The same thing happened again with the same guy which vt has a mob mentality hatred against? Boring.

>>16757402
Connor lives rent free in their heads.

>>16757402
>which vt has a mob mentality hatred against
This website has a hateboner against anitubers. You could go back 5 years on /a/ and get the same reaction. Please fuck off if you think defending them is worthwhile.

>>16734085
She will once she proves to other EN chuubas that you don't necessarily have to take care of literal manchildren for a living in Twitch.

>>16756929
Based fucking Kiara. She's always been able to call out people on their bullshit like with management, ina when she refused to read supas, omegatranny, and now Cali's YouTube drama bullshit.

>>16754174
Be joey. Preaches how hot lolis are and should be normalized, while having the audacity to kink shame an entire country.

>>16757437
I'll regret defending them when I find a single post more worthwhile than anything diginee's written

>>16757578
She called out Mori multiple times.
>she doesn't regularly work out as she tries to picture it
>she delivered her lines of wah wah world a day before the deadline
that's just two other times i can think on top of my head

/vt/ will kick up a fuss, but nothing will change if they collab with males. /vt/ is a tiny infintessimal minority off their audience

>>16757681
Even though I'm not a fan of her voice I genuinely respect her

>Mori isn't in Hololive to be an Idol and resents it
>Acts the most like an idol of all of them by doing behind the scenes politics, being a bitch, and not caring about anyone but herself.

>>16756901
Wrong stop parroting this. The SC that set this off wasn't anyhting remotely similar to harrassment. Mori took it so bad that word spread that she flipped her shit and THEN the trolls started sending horrid stuff.

>>16757773
She's a respectable person. ngl the first few times when she started calling people out, i thought of her being too much of a sperg to fit in. i had a jaded view of her.
It slowly daunted on me, that she has every right to do so. funny how life's playing

>>16734085
im a male VTuber and even I'm against male collabs
sounds gay as fuck

>>16757688
No one cares about male collabs retardo, that isn't what this is about.

>>16737515
I hate connor because he's a conniving britbong

>>16756901
>People are now convinced that recent events show she cares more about her friends than her 'work friends'
So what? I also care more about my actual friends than my colleagues at work.

>>16758441
My point exactly, but for some here the whole kayfabe façade falling is causing them to raise pitchforks and call for her graduation before she ruins Hololive.

>>16754174
He also literally played the leading role in a scam company that stole personal information from 120 thousands of his retarded viewers who he re-assured that the information was totally kept secret, honest, only for the company to be caught selling those information to shady people. I'm surprised that scandal never resurface with Joey just deleting some tweet like it never happened even though he partly founded that company and was working with some Japanese Corpo to open a branch for his scam company there

>>16758543
>the same people who bitch about le cringe lore now all of a sudden care about kayfabe and maintaining the "illusion"
vt everybody

>>16735420
You're coping.

>>16753211
>continuously promoting and donating to said friends despite "not agreeing"
retard

>>16736272
Shut up, you big cuck.

>>16751718
This is also how I feel about it. She's not just an indie vtuber with her original character, she's playing a character owned by cover corporation.

>>16752780
You need only look at viewership drops after male collabs with both EN and JP talents to see that most people are against it or indifferent.
I really have no idea why you people think the idolshit isn't strong within the fanbase. It is. If it wasn't, then most viewers would be watching NIjis or regular 3D streamers. There's a very specific charm to chuubas and Holo specifically that drives the fanbase.