/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>16575426
I don’t care about competition we need a shota in stars EN

>>16575466
/thread

>>16575426
Who cares, Vox will probably kill himself after a year of streaming for fujos.

>>16575466
I think getting a dude to do a good shota voice would be even harder than getting a girl to do a good loli voice.

>>16575426
I don't know who they'll get but Cover will make HolostarsEN to counter NijiEN for sure and it'll be a bloodbath.

>>16575659
I’d be satisfied with a young teen voice

>>16575848
The longer it takes Cover the worse off they are. They better release Homostars EN before the next male wave. Vox is going to beat Petra to 200k and she has been around for half a year. Vox will beat everyone but Elira to 250k. The longer Cover waits the more wave four will spread. If they release a male wave five before Stars EN, we'll God knows what the CCV will be for the debuts from the built fanbase and those they have attracted.

>>16575426
I saw someone recommended an indie that has a deep voice like vox. Not sure how his gaming skills are but in term of voice, I think he can compete with vox so if cover get him then they have a good chance to take the market back.

>>16576380
Depends how successful he is. If is he double digit viewers they could snag him. If he is 1k+, good fucking luck.

>>16576172
>Vox will beat everyone but Elira to 250k
Nah, he's beating Elira too.
But yeah, there is already no way HolostarsEN can reach their numbers. And as you said, the more they wait, the wider the gap will be.
Also one more thing to add - with NijiEN male popularity, most of potential candidates will now pick NijiEN over HolostarsEN to audition for, so Nijisanji will attract bigger name males from now on.

do schizos in this thread really believe that homostarsEN will have the same numbers as the JP?

>>16576380
You mean that pink haired guy? Yeah, he has the potential to be the Vox version of HolostarsEN if Cover can scout him. But they better be quick before Anycolor get all the good pick candidates.

>>16578492
What is his CCV on Twitch and is he a part time with a job or a full time streamer?

>>16578475
I don't even know if you mean that in a good or bad way, like "their numbers will be worse than JP" or "their numbers will be way better".

>>16575426
Don't care I just want to see /vt/ seethe over males no matter which side they're from

>>16575584
He grew up grooming them on discord he loves this shit

>calls you a bitch
>tells you that your a disgusting whore
>completely ignores the rest of your supa past the $ amount
>goes on monolouge about FNAF for 5 hours
>autistically screeching about how much he hates the lorax movie
>leaves

AIIIEEE Mr Coomer i kneel

>>16578592
As if /vt/ can toss stones as they groom 2views.

>>16575659
Literally just get a tranny for the role.

>>16576380
Name?

>>16578560
https://www.twitch.tv/lordaethelstan
You can check him by yourself, he's live now. His voice isn't as deep as Vox but still good enough for a role like Vox

>>16578768
There is no way Cover is going to get him. I believe most streamers on Twitch can go full time easily with 1k+ viewers. If he joins Holostars he has another entity digging their hands into what he earns, will probably be limited in what he can do (let's say he wants a Patreon or other crowd funding he can make it right now as an indie compared to it being shot down in a corpo), and right now he doesn't have to worry about getting permissions for games nor has to put faith into someone to do that for him.

He isn't going to apply to Nijisanji, he isn't going to apply to Holostars.

>>16578562
Their numbers will be waaay better than JP. Only thing why Holostars fail is because Niji had already monopolized male chuubas in JP, while SEA, NA, and EU monkeys cannot understand them. Council got Susan'ed, (we all know they were 150k-200k++ subs the day their accounts were revealed), ofc their CCVs will suffer now because of those lost subs.

>>16575426
Whos that?

>>16578300
En stars can most certainly make it to Luxiem level numbers. They just have to hire the right guys. No offense to the others but Luxiem is carried hard by vox and mysta. Cover can definitely find more than enough guys that are on par with those two

I only ever see threads about this guy and the guy with the faggy hat. The others are flopping then?

>>16579160
The other three do as well or better than the girls. Naturally people will gravitate to talking about the top ones, one being the king of getting subs and the other with the more consistent high CCV.

>>16579159
That's a really dumb argument.
Numbers come not from talent and quality of chubas, but from the captured market.
NijiEN girls are also on par or even better than HoloEN, but their numbers are not even close. The same will be with males - HolostarsEN are late and fujo market is already monopolized by NijiEN. The only thing left will be some scraps.

>>16579160
Every each of them didn't recline since debut. It's even opposite - all of them inclined and beat their personal record non-debut numbers almost on a weekly basis.

>>16578609
Based.
>>16579160
Ike (the Swedish one wearing glasses) isn't that popular but I think he's already carving a niche for himself. He doesn't really pander to yumejos and fujos, he's a "soft boy" type where his fanbase screams CUTE at every fucking thing he does, also people gushing over his gap moe because of his love for metal music and supposedly existing yandere side. He didn't show much of these for now though, he really needs to do a karaoke and reveal his powerlevel. Besides his superchat game is strong, recently people bullied him with akasupas to oblivion and he got the most daily superchats that day.
He knows some conversational Japanese and he's really popular with JP girls. I think the most popular with JPs might be Shu because he's fluent, Mysta has a fuckton of JPs but they can't really interact because he knows zero nip, but Ike seems to tick the right boxes for them.
Not much info on Luca and Shu, people are saying they are bro experience. But they are all mostly doing better than NijiEN girls.

>>16579257
Exactly, and if we go by the wave trends for Niji EN, chances are the next wave is coming out in around a month and three weeks. There is absolutely no way they won't release more men. If Stars EN does debut before that then Stars EN will have the same uphill battle Niji girls have. The only problem is this, the Niji girls can still benefit from Niji men, will Cover allow the Holo girls to support Stars?

Time is ticking, and when the next Niji wave comes out, you better hope you won't easily see or surpass 20k+ viewers on the debuts, because that was the peak for wave 4 and would seal away the new audience for Niji men.
>>16579332
Ike didn't get the most SC in a day, that still belongs to Pomu, for now. He could have beaten Pomu because his stream was probably half the length of Pomu's stream, and Pomu's stream was a special event one. Her record will be broken eventually.

>>16579469
I meant daily superchats on that particular day. He got 1.4M yen while the second place was Aqua with 944k yen.

>>16579506
Oh I see, I misread.

>>16579469
>will Cover allow the Holo girls to support Stars?
Probably will allow only a limited amount of interaction with 2-4 select and willing HoloEN girls.
But that won't help HolostarsEN too much, as it's the fujos fanbase we are talking about, and HoloEN girls have completely different fanbase.
The only chance for HolostarsEN to have the same numbers as NijEN boys, is forgetting about fujo fanbase and pander to current HoloEN fanbase. But it also has a massive downside - it will spread the fanbase across even more chubas. And don't forget that HoloID pander to the same fanbase, so with the next HoloID and HoloEN gens, it will be spread thinner and thinner, decreasing average ccv and superchats each time.

>>16576172
Imagine what will happen with Vox overtakes Sana.

>>16579469
>Time is ticking, and when the next Niji wave comes out, you better hope you won't easily see or surpass 20k+ viewers on the debuts
You can also add ccv from the main channel, because NijiEN splits debut into 2 streams. Wave4 peak from combined 2 channels at one point of time was 35k+

>>16575426
Hire Connor

>>16579705
There might be an exodus of people that like Sana from this board. People in the Holo fanbase will just have more ammo to relentlessly shit on her.

>>16579856
>Conner
Doesn't he easily get over 1k viewers on Twitch and lives off his "content"? Why the fuck would he join? There are only two types of people that will go for Stars EN. They have zero streaming experience but possibly did other content creation and want an easy break into streaming like some people in Myth. The others that might join are single and double digit streamers.

>>16580004
Don't forget 3'rd type - nijirejects

>>16580004
Yes, it's likely Connor won't join. But his appeal to Eastern vtubers (e.g. Ollie) is the same as Vox. British fujobait. If Hololive is gonna compete against Vox, they need to hire an actual Brit

>>16580004
Connor gets enough viewers on his own. Plus you have TT that rakes in 60k a month via Patreon last time I checked. He has zero incentive to start Vtubing for a corpo.

>>16575426
If cover just wants numbers they'd go the other way, find a struggling minecraft youtuber that does kids content and offer them a spot.
We'll all fucking hate it, but that fucker will take the market by storm due to dragging in the actual literal child audience.

>>16580240
>Kids
What are they going to do, convince their parents to super chat them?

>>16580240
>but that fucker will take the market by storm due to dragging in the actual literal child audience.
Too late - Gura and Pekora already monopolized 3-12 yo child market.

>>16580288
No but the ad revenue from the kids demographic is enough that most minecraft youtubers have full time editors and if you left the bubble that is /vt/ you'll see that minecraft youtubers have some fucking ruthless fujos.

>>16578492
>>16578649
>>16578768
Nope, not that guy. He is pretty funny but I doubt he will applies to holostars en. It is another guy, someone recommended him on here when vox first debuted. The dude has a deep voice like vox but he has a really small ccv on twitch. I think his vtuber lore was an in training attorney or something like that. I totally forgot to save his name.

>>16580218
He is debuting as mouse’s sidekick pretty soon so yeah I doubt he has time for holostars plus hololive fans hate his gut.

>>16579257
>fujo market
Ah yes, the fujo market. The ever large and important fujo market lmao

If cover gets Demo in, I'll kneel and stop watching NijiEN

>>16580591
Not as big as the market for copium.

>>16580153
But Connor's voice is disgusting compared to Vox, he's so nasal.

>>16580603
Which Demo are you talking about? I have like 3 content-creators in mind who have "Demo" in their names

>>16580683
Tell that to all the girls that are wet from his voice.

>>16580427
You can't capitalize on Minecraft fujos with anime. It isn't the fact that they play Minecraft that attracts fujos, it's the fact that Dream's cult is fujobait. If simply Minecraft was the answer, far more random guys unconnected to Dream would have armies of 15 year old female simps

>>16578649
Finally found the guy I was talking about.
https://m.twitch.tv/lexpartevt
If he joins holostars en, I can see him competing with vox purely base on voice, not sure how good he is on game and zastudan.

STOP SUCKING VOX'S DICK
MYSTA IS WAY MORE COOLER

>>16581233
Mysta is 3 bad days away from having a mental breakdown on stream. Plus he somehow hasn't gotten over his throat sickness.

Vox fujobaiting is so dumb when he is obviously 100% straight.

>>16581567
Gura pedobaiting is so dumb when she is obviously 100% in late 20's.

>>16581567
Nope he's bi. Said it openly in pl, and as Vox, said he kissed his friends "platonically" which is bislut behavior.

>>16578583
based chaotic slugma poster

>>16581629
Pretty sure that people on their late 20s are the ones most likely to be pedos but anyway why did you bring up Gura out of nowhere when this is about males and Vox?

3D

>>16581233
Mystia does the same gay act, but in a less cool way that Vox.
Though his candor on parasocial relationships and community interaction was a nice. Though if I had the chance I'd ask him what would keep him from reverting to just talking with regulars?

>>16583478
Reverting? He gives a lot of attention to a few vocal simps repeatedly on Twitter. Still, even after his parasocial rant.

>>16575466

>>16583510
In my defense, I don't pay attention to social media or Mysta. But that does not sound good.

>>16581974
bruh. I guess it's really hard to be as dense as you, anon.

>>16582021
You mean 3D that even HoloEN still haven't gotten after more than a year after debut?
You mean 3D that Holostars got after about 2 years after their debuts?
You mean 3D that is light years behind Nijisanji's 3D in terms of quality?

>>16575426
>What will be Cover's response?
Release Hololive Spanish before Nijisanji

>>16584423
dont bruh me faggot

>>16584500
Y-yes.

>>16581191
LexParte? He'd most likely end up being NijiEN Wave 5 or 6

>>16581704
hints for vox pl i want to hear his cringe undertale dub

>>16589139
Please check iketog, newfag chama

>>16576380
Inas friends lessgo!!!

>>16575426
Who are the girls in Niji that challenge Holo's girls? You're asking a dumb question. Nijimales>Holostars, Hololive>Nijifemales. Easy.
>>16578300
Any male candidate should've already picked Niji over Holo if they did any research. And if you're a chick, you'd choose Holo. The only people who don't get this are those who don't watch Nijisanji JP at all. Its not only ChroNoir who are doing good.

>>16579332
>where his fanbase screams CUTE at every fucking thing he does
So he's like CR's CPT?
>>16579662
The only way HolostarsEN gets numbers like NijiEN boys is if they get a big name or if they get an anomaly like Gura.
>>16581120
> far more random guys unconnected to Dream would have armies of 15 year old female simps
Alot of them used to. You only think they aren't that many because they've gotten old and are now replaced by Dream and his crew.
>>16581567
Not as dumb as Bae and Irys being a couple despite Bae already putting it out there that she likes Roberu. Just make a pairing with Roberu instead dumbass.

>>16581191
>https://m.twitch.tv/lexpartevt
He's a niji fan though lmao he's more likely to apply to niji than homostars

Have fun shitposters.

>>16583520
shota for en does not work at all..... the closest you can get is a high pitched annoying faggot...

>>16575426
>They made male corpo vtubers work
Slow the fuck down chief. A couple things.

1. They have barely been active for a month
2. Only two of them are above the 2-3k NijiEN standard that the girls set
3. They have had like 2 or 3 streams get above 10k, thats it
3. Their audience is primarily JP and SEA

Ok, so here is what is going to happen and I hope you understand this before you go proclaiming them the kings of vtubing. They have a lot of casual JP watchers right now because the JP Nijisanji fanbase loves male vtubers and they are curious about these guys. Eventually those JOPs are going to get bored and they are going to go back to watching Kuzuha, Kanae, Fuwa, etc. After this happens the numbers for the NijiEN males are going to plummet.

They already can't draw good viewership during North America prime time and once the JOPs leave they are basically going to only have the SEA audience left. At that point they might as well be NijiID vtubers.

>>16593952
You're looking to start a war my friend

>>16593472
Op literally asked which male would defeat vox???? Are you dyslexic anon?

>>16593912
Based!

>>16584500
>You mean 3D that is light years behind Nijisanji's 3D in terms of quality
Did you just awake from a coma? This isn't 2020 anymore. Hololive's 3D has now surpassed Nijisanji's and their models look great. The Nijisanji models look like Minecraft endermen.

>>16593979
Anon doesnt know that youtube fucks up their numbers LMFAOOO mysta actually had 30k viewers for his cooking stream if im not mistaken. The live viewers on youtube showed 10k but the poll votes was over 30++ k.

>>16594117
Tell me when their 3d models can do a flip and do fucking twisters and hula hooping.

>>16594117
>Hololive's 3D has now surpassed Nijisanji's
Uto's 3D mogged every single 3D Hololive debut and you can believe this

Goddammit Mysta

>>16576172
>The longer it takes Cover the worse off they are
Not really

HoloEN's primary audience is in the United States and Canada. NijiEN's primary audience is Japan and SEA. Even when the so called "powerful" Luxiem" get shit numbers when streaming during North American prime time.

There is your market for Holostars EN.

>>16575659
Kira from Stars

>>16580924
Probably Demolition D, he’s the guy that a lot of people are saying gigguk copied his youtube format for videos.

>>16579332
Ike's voice is ridiculous when eh sings, all he needs is one metal cover and he'll incline to the moon.

>>16594117
Holo models can still barely grip things, Niji has a working prototype to track a fucking jump rope, even the furniture the niji girls sit on have actual physics applied to them.

>>16598577
A lot of good that does when the models themselves look like deformed Endermen.

EN Stars is not happening. Stop thinking it'll happen. Yagoo will never let it happen. Cover can release a new gen of girls after Council and they'll mog Luxiem numbers in a single month.

>>16601768
>Saying this after the failure that is council
Roru

>>16601954
Cover's EN recruiting agents got chewed out for the failure of Council. They thought they could put together a bunch of random streamers with zero chemistry and just ride the "their past lives had big numbers so they'll be good" excuse. They won't make the same mistake again.

>>16594866
>HoloEN's primary audience is in the United States and Canada
HoloEN's primary audience is male weeb, they would rather watch twitch male streamers than pretty anime boys
nijiEN works because nijiJP's males are popular, just like holoEN works because hololive's females are popular
Both having large SEAnig fanbase anyway

>>16593630
>The only way HolostarsEN gets numbers like NijiEN boys is if they get a big name
Not really, for 2 reasons:
1. Big names would look into joining NijiEN males first before even thinking to apply HolostarsEN
2. Even getting moderately big names won't help them either. Take Reimu as an example - she had the biggest PL of her wave, yet has the least numbers now. In order for big name to really work, it would have to be someone who was even bigger than Gura's PL. And such people would never consider joining Holostars.

>or if they get an anomaly like Gura
It's really strange that people can't see that Gura is not an anomaly. She's just the biggest member of the first generation from the brand new English branch from one of the biggest vtuber agencies out there, with premade western audience.
If, in alternate timeline, HoloEN1 members were Lazulight, Elira would have around the same numbers, Gura has now.

>>16602135
>If, in alternate timeline, HoloEN1 members were Lazulight, Elira would have around the same numbers, Gura has now.
>he doesn't realize that Elira auditioned for Hololive and didn't get it, same with Pomu and Finana.

>>16601768
Yagoo doesnt control shit anymore though. He is a talking mascot at this point. Even if he would feel that his dream of idol group is threatened by reddit, he cant stop it

>>16602060
People really believe NijiEN has a Sea audience when HoloEN routinely get 1mil+ view translated clips from taiwan and korea?

Before luxiem, HoloEN was the branch with multiple streamers in different time zones and even their NA based streamers like Ina streamed in very EU friendly hours compared to NA.
Luxiem is just going for the same international audience than HoloEN did except this time targeting women.

are nijien girls inclining or reclining due to the males?

>>16602135
>2. Even getting moderately big names won't help them either. Take Reimu as an example - she had the biggest PL of her wave, yet has the least numbers now. In order for big name to really work, it would have to be someone who was even bigger than Gura's PL. And such people would never consider joining Holostars.
You can get holostarJP as an example, they are all big name on NND but they still can't complete with nijiJP males eventhough some of them come from the same circle of friend on NND, have a big fanbase of fujo is the difference

>>16598474
I can already see his near future - does metal karaoke/cover, then gets noticed by a shit-ton of JP's, including NijiJP chubas, and eventually I see him and Hayato making a bilingual JP/EN metal original song. That shit's gonna be legendary.

Nijisanji is where western streamers go to succeed. Cover's restrictions and regulations would be a kill joy for any westerner. That's why all the girls are jp idol larpers and heavily involved in the JP culture like Callie, Kiara and Bae.

>>16602445
None, they don't overlap

>>16575426
>Who is the male that can challenge the power Nijisanji's Lord Vox Akuma

connor

>>16602574
retarded take. Connor owns his own company and brand making hundreds of thousands a year. why would he drop it all to be contract bound to a mid tier chuuba corpo?

>>16575426
>Who is the male that can challenge the power Nijisanji's Lord Vox Akuma.
Mysta

>>16602710
based. they'll never expect the new challenge to come from inside their own generation.

>>16602017
Are you pretending to be dumb?
They didn't hire a bunch of random streamers. The literally did the same approach as myth auditions - got the biggest names from audition applications/nepotism. Council is a perfect mirror of Myth - a shitposter with 1 mil subs, an artist, other random retards from different fields. They failed not because of bad recruiting. They failed, because HoloEN business model was dead from the beginning, they'll continue to devour themselves into nothingness with each HoloEN/HolostarsEN/HoloID gen to come.

>>16602975
What exactly is this business plan that holoEN has that is different from holoJP?

>>16602257
>Elira auditioned for Hololive and didn't get it
First, you need to fact-check this one, before pulling it out of your ass.
Second, that has absolutely nothing with what I wrote previously.

>>16602975
>They failed, because HoloEN business model was dead from the beginning,
And what business model is that

>>16602473
First, you've only proved my point that moderately big names won't make big numbers from nothing.
Second, I don't think that holostarsJP had any PL's that are even close to Gura's PL, so I won't count this point as a legit counter-argument, because, as I already mentioned:
>In order for big name to really work, it would have to be someone who was even bigger than Gura's PL. And such people would never consider joining Holostars.

>>16602710
Mysta could probably beat Vox if he streamed as much as Vox. Simply put, the more you stream the better chances people will catch you.

>>16602975
>HoloEN business model was dead from the beginning
which is why they're the number 1 vtubing corporation on the planet right now

>>16602975
I wonder where you faggots come from with all the outright lies and fiction you spew. You are saying with a straight face that Council is a failure while NijiEN is a smashing success. Go back to your fantasy land discord.

>>16603660
It doesn't help that Covers competition is so incompetent

>>16603761
Chinks

HolostarsEN will do just fine if they announce it. HoloEN fans are primarily from the US and Canada and those two regions don't watch Nijishitty.

NijishittyEN needs JP tourists and SEAniggers. That is why their schedules are listed in JST and they don't bother with North America prime time anymore.

>>16603761
>-34%
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>>16603890
>>16602060
lmao

>>16603933
kek

>>16575426
HolostarsEN don't stand a chance, because all big names, who want to become a male vtubers, know that:
If you want to have bigger ccv, you choose NijiEN males
If you want to have bigger income, you choose NijiEN males
If you want to have better freedom of content and collaborations, you choose NijiEN males
If you want an actually friendly environment and not corporate fake shit, you choose NijiEN males

>>16605587
It won't stop them from applying for Stars EN if they don't get into a Niji wave. Stars EN could possibly be better than stewing in single digit viewer hell.

>>16605587
>all big names, who want to become a male vtubers, know that:
>If you want to have bigger ccv, you choose NijiEN males
>If you want to have bigger income, you choose NijiEN males
>If you want to have better freedom of content and collaborations, you choose NijiEN males
>If you want an actually friendly environment and not corporate fake shit, you choose NijiEN males
[citation needed]

>>16605957
I'm glad we are on the same page of not watching Holostars JP to neither confirm or deny this.

If they can get someone to play cute trap character starsEN will beat not only luxiem but myth and council too. Basicly kira EN but better.
I don't think any western dudes has the matching voice and personality however so they have to find hafus.

>>16608246
>not watching Holostars JP
thanks for admitting you're a fucking retard and have zero clue what you're talking about. jp stars are barely surviving off an entire nation's cultural support. that's not going to happen in the west.

>>16610245
So what: >>16605587 said is 100% correct.

>>16610603
you're samefagging too hard

I get the male wave hype now. Luca has won me over and Vox has blown my sides to orbit more times than I can count in the last few months. I realised now, I actually didn't want to watch girls, I just wanted some bros and friends.

>>16610045
>If they can get someone to play cute trap character starsEN will beat not only luxiem but myth and council too. Basicly kira EN but better.
Not when nijiEN get their cute trap first with the rate of their release new vtuber

>>16615912
based lucub

>>16610645
Proof? Or are you off your medication?

>>16575466
Femboy shotas

Luxiem hardcaps success. just like HoloMyth and how Council never came close. the novelty factor and First Mover's Advantage is what's contributing to Luxiem's success right now. any other gen that comes after these males is doomed to fail and end up as a shallow copy of Luxiem.

>>16605587
I'm looking forward to this being flipped in a few months.

OP-san, western female fans are fickle. Once they find a newer and shinier toy, they'll drop the old one and the cycle will continue on.

I would HATE to have the NijiEN people as coworkers.

>>16623942
The only ones hardcapping success are managers business and creative decisions

>>16629743
that would be yagoo yes. he is hindering hololive's potential by forcing the girls into fit into a narrow jp idol role instead of embracing livestreamers.

I hope StarsEN comes along and Cover lucks out with a gen full of genuinely good entertainers, blowing luxiom out of the water. The Nijis on this board would legitimately never recover from that.

>>16629922
StarsEN that's pro idol culture and against mixed collabs. Imagine

>giving a shit about the guys who only get numbers during SEA hours

>>16629922
Cross your fingers and don't hold your breath.

>>16593963
Anon, that is what they sound to people who speak japanese. that is the point.

>>16581233
>Mysta
>cool
>the guy who heats himself up in winter by pissing in a bottle and using it as a warmer.

Like always Cover will do what they do best: copy Anycolor's format and make it better

Why so many serious posts in a bait thread?

>>16629922
>The Nijis on this board would legitimately never recover from that.

u wot? i'm a nijifag and i'm almost certain starsEN would blow luxiem out of the water numbers-wise, cover is still the biggest name in vtubing in the west, all the talent in the world can't compete with overwhelming market share

whether or not their streams are any good, though, is another question altogether. i watch nijien streams religiously but i'd rather pull off a fingernail than sit through a single council or myth "stream"

Can Cover actually find a western man who is multilingual, proficient in Japanese, and entertaining at the same time?

>>16637441
Why limit yourself like that. An entertaining English speaker is the most important thing. Everything else is just icing. I think only one member of Luxiem is multi lingual, if not then only one with a relevant second language being Japanese.

>>16637519
not knowing a lick of Japanese while joining a fucking entertainment group catering for the otaku is a giant red flag. It just means they're not dedicated enough to the subculture themselves, which is why people hate e-celebs like Connor. They insert themselves to the culture they don't even agree with as they only like the "aesthetic" and only identify to that aspect. It's repulsive and disgusting

>>16603461
And Vox hit 200k with his lorax stunt stream.
He's only 80k behind Sana now. If he surpasses her, expect the real shitposting to begin.

>>16638435
>strongest male can barely beat the weakest female
>real shitposting
?

>>16637071
>i'm a nijifag and i'm almost certain starsEN would blow luxiem out of the water numbers-wise
Yes, you are a newfag indeed.
A simple question - what are Luxiems audience? Their audience are international fujos - nips, chinks, seas, burgers, euros. And this audience currently doesn't give a single fuck about Hololive and most likely doesn't even know about Hololive's existence.
Then, here is another question - which audience HolostarsEN are gonna aim for? If the same fujo audience, then they'll be number 2 after NijiEN boys and will have only scraps after them.
Yes, they can aim at current HoloEN audience, but don't expect them having bigger numbers than Council. Only thing Hololive will end up in this case is decreased average ccv across all HoloEN branches.

>>16639052
>And this audience currently doesn't give a single fuck about Hololive and most likely doesn't even know about Hololive's existence
This is part of the truth. They got many messages in which the girls claimed they never knew about vtubers before until Luxiem debuted.

>>16639026
Kek you're right but who's gonna care about that when you can make 200 bait threads about a NijiEN male beating a HoloEN female.

>>16637071
Perhaps you're an outlier than, all I've seen of the niji fanboys are them having the biggest chip on their shoulder and whining about every little thing. The numbers bug had them up their own ass for days.

>>16575659
Shotas in JP are generally voiced by woman, I think? Don't need to hire an adult man for that role.

>>16639052
Not if they are leeching off nijien and make kpop esque songs

>>16639052
Not a problem if they are leeching off nijien and make kpop esque songs. At least Nijien numbers won't ever reach HoloEn

>>16639052
Not a problem if they are leeching off nijien and make kpop esque songs. At least Nijien numbers won't ever reach HoloEn

>>16639439
>Males beating females
It is simply the natural order of the world, anon.

So now that he's not getting 12k viewers during JP primetime will you shut the fuck up?

Maxor will unironically probably try and I fully support him

>>16639026
He only one month old, Santa has half a year of head start

>>16575426
Nah, Cover already has their hands full managing all the Holo branches. They don't really need to invest in risky markets anymore, they are pretty much dominant in their own market.
New Holostars JP gen was delayed till now due to Yagoo respecting the wishes of the existing stars until they got their feet on the ground.
Miyabi already talked about just how unpopular they were and much they were flamed when they started off : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv74pMZTLPk
I don't think Yagoo wants anyone to go through that shit again, especially when Holoantis are looking for any excuse to pounce.
Niji can keep the males.

>>16579469
>will Cover allow the Holo girls to support Stars?
Even if they did, most of the girls still wouldn't do it, which would no doubt impact those guys popularity (Luxiem benefited from being hyped by the fans, who were waiting for them for months, and the girls, both things a StarsEN probably wouldn't get), so yeah.

>>16583510
>Still, even after his parasocial rant.
At this point I'm convinced most vtubers that rant about parasocial shit do it for pure lip service.

>>16603430
Anon, I think he was agreeing with you.

>>16639026
Nijisanji went from "they'll never succeed because nobody in the west knows who they are" to "yeah so what if they get better numbers than the weakest HoloEN" within half a year. Expect them to grow even bigger.

would be funny if connor got in and made holofans seethe

>>16654224
Wasn't he a 1k streamer?

>>16651410
This. There will be shitposting due to Holocope. Niji EN isn't anywhere at the level of Holo EN, but the denial about Niji EN is insane.
>Think they'd be double digit views like all the other western small corpos
>Move onto thinking the girls will never grow
>The next wave will surely kill them
>So what if you get the viewers that the lowest performing Holo gets
>You need a collab to get that many viewers even though the number of people tuning in has been increasing month by month
>The men will be sub 500 CCV
>The men will tank the women's CCV
>Oh a Niji male is the first Niji EN to do a solo 10k+ CCV stream? Here are some Gura numbers
The shitposting will intensify due to Holocope. The sooner Holos stop moving the goal posts and coping and recognize Niji EN the less the shit posting and Niji EN milestones will affect them. Tried shitposting Niji EN off the board to many Niji EN splits and many Niji EN non-general threads in the catalog.

>>16654224
Almost anything makes Holofans seethe, not a very high bar to clear.

>>16649882
>They don't really need to invest in risky markets anymore
>Niji can keep the males.
That's some astronomical scale of holocope.
In reality, when NijiEN males debuted and it became obvious that they are successful, Yagoo was so scared that he shat his pants. And instead of changing them, he didn't waste any time and started pushing HolostarsEN as fast as he could. In less then a fucking week from NijiEN4 debut, Cover managed to drop a good dozen of hints about incoming HolostarsEN.

>>16649882
>They don't really need to invest in risky markets anymore
Vtubers are easily small enough that any corpo can get over turned within a couple years. Isn't that what Hololive did to Nijisanji?

>>16654224
Why would anyone who already streams 3DPD go Vtuber unless it's for pragmatic reasons like Nina?

>>16575426
I think what male vtubers should do is trycand tap into that wildly over flowing audience base of modern mcyt since it's more than half of it is horny women who are ready and willing to throw 100s of dollars at teenage boys and 30 year old men
>>16575466
I recommend this too as the market seems to love underage boys that activate their maternal instincts

Talk about this more.

nigger

>>16659000
>hints
medicate.

>>16579257
>monopolized
Women are fickle. They move from shiny toy to the next shiny new toy and so on.
It's better to wait and see what Cover will have to offer. Just by having management from the start, a male gen would do better than their JP counterparts by default.

>>16579469
EN is about to go through some changes. Get ready.

>>16575466
a smug shota with a voice and personality of Mashiro would be perfect

>>16679223
the only indie chuuba that fits the role right now is Ais and he's doing better as an indie than hololive could ever do for him with the holostars debuff.

>>16670487
mcyt = Minecraft Youtube?

>>16679272
They'd need to do some actual scouting.