/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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>>16539239
no you are supposed to go to streamers for a parasocial romantic relationship reeeeee

>>16539239
Isn't a girl talking to a male or crushing on someone closer to reality though?

If you want your anime IRL, you need real life situations

>>16539239
Ok, autismo.
Let's see you repeat this when hololive start the HolostarsEN project,

>>16539239
>Vtubing was meant for this
no it wasn't

>>16539239
>not using Neighbula
What a waste

Truly the sanest anon. Pls save hololive

>>16539239
>Kiara ask chat if it's ok to cuck them
>Calli openly cheating
I'm dropping HoloEn and so should you.

>>16539239
cringe and didntreadpilled

>>16539239
Based, people that don't accept that vtubers became popular because of ''cute anime girls'' live in delusion

Watch this post get deleted like many others as jannies are attempting to present Cover's change in direction as "welcomed" and "supported".

>>16539239
Based. I watch vtubers with the exact same approach. I honestly don't understand people thinking about fucking roommates, for example. I get curious about their irl appearance and personality sometimes and check the usual websites but that's it, I'll never be really interested in anything besides design and persona shown to me on stream. The parts of their personal lives they don't talk about straight up don't exist to me. My favorites seem cute and/or sexually attractive to me, I like their behavior and content they produce, but I won't give a fuck if their roommates are actually really different from that persona. Characters are all I care about, simple as.
I wouldn't specifically agree about male interactions though. I watch both male and female chuubas. And if we're talking chuubas = real anime girls, then there may be different genres as well. I can watch mixed gender collabs like SoL where some high schoolers just have fun together. But when I first got into vtubers I wanted exactly what you said - that CGDCT feelings so I watched a lot of girls only collabs and got a kick out of their interactions and chemistry.

>>16539239
I agree

>>16539867
So, you're admitting to spamming the board and probably ban evading? Very nice.

im cringing that you thought this was profound or worth that many words

>>16540328
Ah yes, the classic spamming and ban evading technique of keeping a thread open after it gets pruned.

Like anime, not everything has to cater to (You), just watch a different vtuber instead of throwing a tantrum like a child you troglodyte.

>>16540557
>writing a civilised blog post
>throwing a temper tantrum
Ok.

It's not us "unicorns" that want everything to cater to us. Quite the contrary. It's people like you. You can't just be happy with Nijisanji and other smaller companies catering to all your needs. Noooooo. Hololive MUST cater to you as well and everybody that opposes that is an incel.

>>16539239
>Vtubing was meant for this
Reminder that these are the same people that will try to claim that others are the ones invading.

>>16541064
Hololive regularly collabed with males until Gen 3, shut up newfag. Just look at Nijisanji. Or upd8. You 豚 invaded the hobby.

>>16539239
EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. ITS CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP TECHNIQUE. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXYS MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY COLLEGE CLASS AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN COLLEGE CLASS CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JEKRS. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE LINES AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY APARTMENT LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING WIND DOWN EVERY MORNIng

>>16541064
>>16541287
Nevermind I'm retarded and misinterpreted you, I'll delete my response in shame

>>16540557
He's not even telling others to fuck themselves becuase his lkes are superior or something anon, your reading reps, now.

Also is not a ''CATER TO ME MORE'' is more like a ''I'm running out of spaces where cute girls just do cute things'' because everything is transforming into twitch culture now.

>>16539239
TLDR; Gatekeeping will save Hololive, and we must gatekeep harder

Just don't watch male collabs and stop seething about it. Imagine caring this much about a few videos out of hundreds or thousands.

>>16540962
Aren't there way more EN companies that follow Hololive's approach of GFE and no males than Nijisanji's approach of mixing guys and girls? Also I see anons saying that they're upset at Nijisanji mixing the genders, so isn't that a case of people trying to say that NijiEN should cater to them instead of doing what the company usually does?

>>16541338
>''I'm running out of spaces where cute girls just do cute things'
He's free to check out groups like Kawaii and CyberLive that do just that, cute girls only and not a single male in sight. There's probably japanese groups that do the same as well. This meme that CGDCT chubbas are dying out comes from people not being educated when it comes to their options.

>>16539239
Personally, I watch hololive because anime girl funny

>>16540962
>everybody that opposes that is an incel.
I mean if the shoe fits. Also I'm gonna be real with you, I do not particularly care enough to encourage mixed gender collabs myself. I will however encourage the girls to do what they want, because I am not someone who wants to dictate what they should do like they're puppets.

>>16539239
based

>>16541689
No one is telling them what to do, is just sad seeing how the cute girls do cute things will just die out for the usual ratchet twitch Vtuber culture, nobody likes to see the things someone loves devolve into something else.

>>16541828
Cute girls do cute things isn't dying you overdramatic ass, trying watching other vtubers instead of staying in one spot and trying to make blanket statements for all EN vtubers.

Don't bring incels into this. You fags are even worse.

>>16539239
I respect that you have a particular taste that you don't want to lose, although saying things like "Vtubing was meant for this" and "There's absolutely no benefit to mixing the two" does make you sound a bit like a unicorn. I imagine that there's always gonna be something for everyone in the Vtuber market, especially people looking exclusively for that CGDCT feeling you talked about. I've personally enjoyed watching the Nijisanji mixed-gender collabs, but I'm also not watching Vtubers for the specific reasons you are. I imagine at least Hololive will mostly (if not completely) always keep males and females separate, so I really don't think you have to worry about losing what you enjoy.

I'm kinda curious OP, if your favorite Vtuber occasionally did collabs with a male, like once in a blue moon and not very often, would you drop her completely? Or just not tune into those particular streams?

>>16539239
Unbelievably based. Ironic weebs are seething at this post.

>>16542246
YOU THINK I HAVEN'T TRIED YOU INSUFFERABLE FAGGOT? GUESS WHAT, EVERYONE ENDS UP THE SAME, FUCKING PIC RELATED USED TO BE A CUTE CINAMON ROLL AND MONEY+CHAT DEVOLVED HIM INTO A GAY ASS FURRY WITH NIGGER PRONOUNS! SAME WITH EVERY FUCKING INDIE I WENT BECAUSE GUESS WHAT???? IF YOU SAY DICK AND CUM YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO GET CLIPPED BY COOKSIE AND BE FAMOUS!! HOORRAY!! LET'S ACT LIKE SLUT N57748 TO SEE IF I HIT THE JACKPOT!!!!

>>16542725
You are on a board where the central topic is vtubers, try using the resources that you have to try and find someone. You're an adult, you can do it.

post your sc receipts and member badges, or you are just another greyname shitter and wasting everyones time.

>>16542448
I claim that vtubing was meant for CGDCT because that's essentially what the likes of Ai and Luna provided in video formats. I don't really care what the thousands of other early bandwagoners were doing.

As for your question. . .
Well, I probably wouldn't drop them on the spot but I would immediately cancel my membership and it would likely alienate me over time, I think.

>>16543126
Picrel is the only thing I managed to find but if you'd like to know exactly how long I've been a member to each then I member'd Fauna on day 1 and I member'd the "trinity" during their anniversary.
I didn't member them until then because I never subbed to any twitch streamer either and it took a whole year for them to break the ice for me.
I do regret not membering them back when they started but at the time I didn't even know how long I'd be sticking around.
Well, that regret might get turned around if they start collabing with men.
Needless to say I don't superchat.
Membership is a fair compensation for providing entertainment but I've always found the practice of donations to these wealthy streamers a bit distasteful and unhealthy. Even back on twitch.

>>16539239
>Vtubing was meant for this,
How do I know you found vtubers last year?

>>16539239
>I watch vtubers like I watch CGDCT anime.
ok dumbfuck. you can shut the fuck up and stop talking out of your ass now. nigger acting like he knows anything when you're clearly just another tourist. fucking idiot should have just killed yourself

>>16539239
>I watch vtubers like I watch CGDCT anime.
Kinda long and rambly but based.

Adding in men will ruin the vibe, even for people who have no romantic interest in the girls. When you put a man into a CGDCT anime, what happens? Now it's not 5 girls anymore... it's 5 girls + 1 man. That's a harem anime. In an anime it's scripted so I can self-insert as the male protagonist. But in vtubing, you'll just be watching some other male get all their attention.

The girls won't know how to act either- usually they're free to act horny because it's a "safe space" with only girls around. When they're obviously not lesbians, it's funny to watch them thirst over cute girls. But if they're interacting with men, and acting horny, it just starts to feel like a porno.

Unless the JP bros can organize something to stop this, seems like this will be the end of the comfy cozy CGDCT hololive we enjoyed.

>>16544614
EOPs do this thing where they think that everything revolves around them and that vtubing was dead until they discovered it and gave it some meaning. They take their subjective enjoyment of it and try to paint that as the objective purpose behind the entire creation of vtubers. If you ever try to tell them that male vtubers existed long before they ever heard FBK sing scatman or Miko say nigger they'll lash out and throw a tantrum.

>>16545396
>If you you weren't watching 2view JP male vtubers in 2000 you have no right to an opinion
OK then, I guess us 1.3 billion English speakers will take our money elsewhere

>>16539239
Holy based

I'm not even an unicorn, but homobeggars and the like try to change vtubing entirely as if it was something progressive when there's things for everyone and that's okay

I couldn't agree more with you about the appeal of vtubers being a CGCDT element, if anyone doesn't want that then they can go watch VShojo and most of Nijisanji

>>16545542
its not like you pay for memberships/superchats anyways

>>16539239
They're mad ahahahaha.

>>16545542
You might not be OP but in his case if you entered something late then don't make statements like "Vtubing was meant for this." That's all. He's still free to like whatever he wants to like, nothing wrong with that.

>>16539239
Come back home >>>/jp/
We are waiting for you here.

>>16541472
>j-just skip the collab
It's spreading like a wildfire, from Ollie to Bae and now to Mumei. What's next? Fauna x Astel?

>>16545942
Faufau won't do that, she already has a boyfriend, don't want to make him jealous with Astels hot bod'.

>There's absolutely no benefit to it.
That's just like your opinion, man. I like it when they mix.

>>16545767
Yeah I'm not OP and I don't agree with everything he said, but just his general point.

I would rephrase it from "Vtubing was meant for this" because I don't think it was meant for anything at all, just nerds making a neat new technology. I'd say "Vtubing and CGDCT are a perfect match".

>>16546125
Why not watch normal streamer then?
The only thing about hololive different from the rest is their idol thing they got going on and the fact they are for the most part anime girls doing cute thing with each other.

>>16546374
Because some of us actually miss when they weren't LARPing as "Idols".

>>16546374
I assume he still likes 2D rather than 3D so there's no reason to watch a normal streamer.

>>16546238
Kinda based
I don't really agree with you tho, I'll change it to "vtuber and SoL anime", but that's just me. that's also one of the reason I didn't like earlier council, shitty lore

>>16539239
You're going to ENJOY seeing your favorite female vtuber hang out with a male vtuber on a regular basis or else you're a faggot

>>16539515
No one cares about HomostarsEN just like no one cares about HomostarsJP. Except you bc you're a faggot.

>>16546444
nta but exactly this
I do watch IRL dota2 streamer tho because no vtuber is good enough to watch

>>16546509
"Hey guys it's me Joey, you ever fuck a pizza?"
You will eat your words.

>>16546125
then why not fuck off and watch nijisanji or any of the other vtubers, why try and change hololive

>>16541398
kinda hard to gatekeep EN when western fans are very open to male+female collabs cause they want to see their favorite male eceleb with their favorite female vtuber hang out.

>>16546627
Loud minorities only.

>>16546619
>why try and change hololiv
lol

>>16546619
This goes both ways.

>>16546775
>m-muh miko collabed with males
There's a reason she stops doing that.

>>16546706
Japanese business people are retarded when it comes to appeasing westerners, I've seen the loud minority actually influence their decisions before despite the drama it has caused among the fan base and the funny thing is when they fuck up, they will ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.

>>16546808
lol

>>16546835
Just like their western counterpart.

>>16546795
goes both ways how? explain.
>>16546892
yes that's true but Cover Corp isn't a western company

>>16539239
I don't see why the fags on /vt/ have a problem with only liking cute girls. Is it Just fujos out of cum material?

>>16546706
I mean, if Bae and Mumei's numbers don't drop drastically after they collab with guys and they only get support from their chats then what impression is that supposed to leave on the higher ups? They can only act with what is visible.

>>16546914
>yes that's true but Cover Corp isn't a western company
That's true, but both sides are too pussy to ignore the penniless loud minorities because they don't want their face getting ganged up on twitter/reddit.

Why does anon watch the streams?

Much like otheres ITT I like the CGDCT aspect as is the fact it's for (you).
Some dislike 'forcing the girls to act a certain way' or 'avoid men' seem to forget they are entertainers.
Why would you tune in to somebody inherently playing a anime character if you wanted 'reality' ?

>>16547000
>bae
idk, I don't follow her the moment I know her past reincarnation.
>mumei
We'll see.

>>16539239
>>16545166
K-On! has males interacting with the cast. You can treat these episodes as the equivalent of a vtuber having a collab with a male character. The tl;dr of this is "real people don't act like anime characters". So if you treat someone that is not trying to emulate anime as someone who does, then you set yourself up for disappointment.
One defining criteria of anime is that they have a foreseeable conclusion of each season and episode, making ~21 minutes and 13-26 episodes per season very common. These constraints work in a way that the cast around it (writers, animators, VAs, all of which are mixed male and female) have to convey everything to you with the time and budget they are getting. And if they want to convey CGDCT to you, everything that happens around it for facilitation (such as male side characters) only serves to provide immersion and relatable characters. For example, any CGDCT-based story that involves "growing up" or "parents" must inevitably introduce a father because a girl being fatherless would in itself be a plot point required to address.

So: A seiyuu who treats vtubing as a CGDCT anime character will
>have to graduate in a foreseeable timeframe
>ignore all interaction that has to make her act outside of her character. This means no chat or SCs where she isn't acting CGDCT.
>fictionalize her off-stream activity and believably convey to you that everything interesting that ever happens in her life is everything you ever get to see, because the uninteresting or unappealing parts of her life are not her being a CGDCT, and all the interesting parts are part of the character she wants to convey to you
In opposition to this, most seiyuus of a vtuber character
>don't want to graduate
>want to interact with other people in unscripted collabs and with unscripted viewers
>recount non-fictional (IRL) activity to their viewers, with a ~50% chance of it involving a male, such as telling them about her day or what happened in her childhood
>perform not only as a character but also as the seiyuu voicing the character

And we're back to the initial conclusion. The format you want is CGDCT anime, not streaming. It'd be rude to tell you to pull back your expectations and/or leave, but I also think you have to.

>>16546835
How are they supposed to know better? The loud minority are the ones screaming at them. If theres a silent majority then there basically ninjas, hiding unseen.

>>16546565
Wtf are you saying Schizo? That only makes sense in your demented head.

Its pretty easy to not care about the Homos. Its why they're not popular

>>16547459
The fact your only frame of reference is Holostars is rather funny.
This board was a mistake.

>>16547349
>having a collab with a male character. The tl;dr of this
I initially wrote the first part as a response to OP and the entire rest to the second person I replied to, so the "tl;dr" refers to everything after that. But both point apply to both and some others here as well but I am not going to massreply.

>>16547098
Some people just want to ruin the fun for everyone else I guess, like there's thousands of options that fulfill a niche but they gravitate to the most popular one to try and ruin it for a sick twisted sense of achievement. The one thing I like about hololive the most is being apolitical, and although sometimes it may slip up, the girls generally do not want to purposely start drama through it.

>>16547349
Fuck off autist, everybody else knows the CGDCT idea was a 'similar to' or 'in the spirit of'.
There are already plenty of streamers who do CGDCT look at somebody like Nene, how else would you describe that?

Don't pretend males existing in K-On is the same as them being prominent, pretending one joining the club wouldn't entirely change the show is disingenuous and retarded.

>>16539239
Based opinion, but I'm also in love with my oshi. Sorry, cant help it.

>>16539239

>>16547349
I'm sorry but this is probably the dumbest "in good faith" argument I have ever seen.
Even just going "REEEEE KYS UNICORN FAG" would have been better than this.
K-On! or the majority of CGDCT never has their females interact with males in any meaningful way.
You can't compare the female cast of K-On! interacting with literal background characters that are just there to fill the world with a female holo collabing with a man.
If you wanna compare it to anything than it's more like the girls in K-On! inviting an established male into the afterschool club which correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe ever happened.
Nor are there many if any such meaningful examples in any pure CGDCT.
The rest of what you said is just pure nonsense.

>>16547430
that's the thing, the loud minority may sometimes be in positions where they control the narrative essentially, take the official hololive reddit page for example, whenever something that upsets these faggots happen, people get banned/shadowbanned, posts deleted, or the entire page is frozen for a few days, and companies that rely on something like reddit or even discord for a general understanding of their fans, end up not realizing that they aren't getting the full picture. The most recent thing I can remember was Gura's fans getting angry about her shit tier rigging for her first outfit and the reddit page ends up locked to prevent further posting. Luckily there's an alternate way to express your opinion to cover, and that's through their official site contact page but not a lot of people know about it.

>>16547697
>Nene
isn't who you are making her out to be >>4775022
One male collab is also not the same as making those males prominent so that point works in my favour.

>Hololive member has collab with a guy (something that other members do to this day)
>Instead of moving on and finding someone else that fits his needs, anons panic and act like Hololive is the ONLY vtuber group that appeals to the unicorn crowd
Unicornbros you need to have more self-respect. More of the groups that have generals on /vt/ follow the Hololive business model rather than the Nijisanji business model. It's easy to find someone that doesn't interact with males in the slightest and does actual GFE better than HoloEN. Don't be retarded and act like chuubas that try to appeal to you don't exist.

>>16548083
You are talking to people that only care about BIG NUMBERS.
The "yes our team is winning bros!" types.

>>16539442
No I only read the puriest Yuri manga and LNs

>>16547349
>you have to leave
Says the one who wants VIRTUAL youtubers to behave more like real people.
Nobody wanted full LARP channels just for comfy shit to stay comfy.

>>16547634
It's definitely a corruption thing for them.
All this "incel" shitflinging and the like from those who are themselves inherently weebs too.

>>16547985
>deleted post
I think you may be mistaken that post is the only time I've mentioned her, or do you mean she isn't CGDCT ?

>>16548083
You are being disingenuous and pretending like there aren't people like Ollie who push for others to collab with guys.
If somebody they liked and promised not to changed why trust anybody else ?

Really the chuubas should just be honest with their intentions and consistent going forth.
If you have an issue with this you are white knigting, it's basic courtesy.

>>16548083
how about people like you fuck off then and go to those alternatives? why should hololive specifically change for people that want regularly male interaction like you? What hololive is doing is fine right now and it is because of this is one of the many contributing factors to their popularity. I personally am fine with minor interaction within the company but this can lead to a cancer where male ecelebs outside the company feel invited and get invited for regular interactions, I rather this problem be stomped out before it grows too big.

Holostars are worthless. They flopped not because of evil unicorns or being oppressed by management or anything else, they flopped because they're bad and untalented streamers. The only homos that even tried at any point were Kaoru and Roberu, the former is dead and the latter doesn't give a fuck anymore. Holostars can only leech and bring others down with them, I'd rather have holos collab with successful nijimales than with homofailures. Pekora x Kuzuha collab would at least bring numbers along with the controversy, instead of just the controversy. That's why Towa avoids homos like the plague even though she said herself there's nothing stopping her from collabing with them.

>>16547910
>in any meaningful way
One collab out of hundreds of streams isn't meaningful to me, you could make an argument that Holostars are literal background characters to have Hololive bounce off of.
But you are right about that conversation going nowhere if talking to males IRL is fine, bringing up interactions with males IRL or mentioning Holostars is fine, providing GFE to males (plural) is fine, but doing a stream where another male is involved is suddenly where we have to draw the line of what's acceptable.
>If you wanna compare it to anything than it's more like the girls in K-On! inviting an established male into the afterschool club
I am sure that if Kyoto animation had to make K-On! for more than a year and had 10+ seasons, something like that might have happened, yes. My previous point applies: Vtubers aren't anime protagonists.

>>16548443
Where in my post did I say I liked male collabs sir?

>>16547913
Most people were upset about Gura's rigging, even ledditors and normalfags. Most people are not unicorns even on /vt/ . No matter how much complaining they do they won't represent a significant enough fraction of the English speaking Hololive fanbase to be catered to, and the rest of the fans either don't care or actively hate unicorns. What is happening right now is that people who aren't keen on the idea of male collabs are realizing this simple fact, and they are having an existential crisis. What they should do is find smaller indies chuubas who explicitly cater to them instead of watching Holos.

>>16548328
funny how I see nothing but people shitting on hololive on a regular basis in the catalog daily and nothing but "decent" threads about everyone else, hell, I just wanna stay in my own lane but people like you come in to shitpost and bring up brand wars.

>>16547985
>One male collab is also not the same as making those males prominent so that point works in my favour.
It is the same as an episode dedicated to a guy and adds an uncertain element going forth that there could be more.
You are being repeatedly disingenuous for the purpose of 'scoring points' what a sad faggot.

>>16548566
Anon you know very well that other groups get shitposted, NijiEN had it for days when they got males. Before NijiEN it was Vshoujo in their early days and then again with the Nux shit.

>>16548555
Sane people won't outright say that they don't want male collab on twitter or reddit you dumb cunt. Unless you want to get staked instantly by screeching loud minorities.

>>16548443
Those alternatives literally pander to unicorns more than the girls you're trying to protect.

>>16548566
>Daily Pomu thread of "Where is my kimono, sponsorship, collab, new outfit etc.
>Near daily posts about feesh being a filthy whore
>Near daily Selen posts about apex or some shit
>Every other week a post about Nina graduating or Pomu jumping ship to Holo
Nigger are you new or do you just stop lurking after 8pm

>>16548497
>to me
Irrelevant.
>hypotheticals
Again irrelevant, men didn't join the club and we all know why.
CGDCT was a reference not literal you fucking autist.

>>16548430
>You are being disingenuous and pretending like there aren't people like Ollie who push for others to collab with guys.
I don't see anyone in Cyberlive or Kawaii collabing with guys or pushing for collabs with guys? Maybe not every group has bad apples like Ollie?

>>16547697
>>16548628
This anime argument is the fucking stupidest argument for NO MALES I've ever read. These are real people, they don't need your permission to do shit, they can do whatever the fuck they want, they are not beholden to you. You're a fucking piece of shit if you try to dangle your money in front of these girls while threatening to take it away because they play amongsus and a male happens to be there. They aren't entitled to your money, but pissing and moaning while threatening them makes you a huge fucking piece of shit and you need to re evaluate your values. The west doesn't need retarded clueless schizos that plagues the jap idol scene. This fucking retarded insane line of thought you have wouldn't fly outside of our shithole for good fucking reason, because you're a schizo.

>>16548497
>One collab out of hundreds of streams isn't meaningful to me, you could make an argument that Holostars are literal background characters to have Hololive bounce off of.
Now you're just being disingenuous and you know it.
>I am sure that if Kyoto animation had to make K-On! for more than a year and had 10+ seasons, something like that might have happened, yes. My previous point applies: Vtubers aren't anime protagonists.
Anonchama.. you have literally nothing to base this on other than your personal narrative. This is not how you make an argument.

>>16548721
How did it end up as JOPs having more of a spine when it comes to protecting what they like?

>>16548721
You'd think recent years would have taught people about silent minorities.
Mori had what 10k people or something stupid unfollow for a fursona comment.
Most people do infact just leave places they dislike so there's no visible blowback

I'm going keep it real with you, I don't care what reason you have for liking or not liking male collabs and it doesn't really matter. The fact of the matter is, a person who is explicitly "girls only" and refuses to watch content with males in it has niche preferences, at least among English speakers. Don't expect mainstream chuubas to appeal to niche tastes. Go find an indie girl who is /here/ and actually caters to unicorns, or learn Japanese and watch Rushia, instead of complaining that more people don't feel like (You) do.

>>16548879
Found the woman.

>>16548721
Doesn't matter if they say it or not, they are still clearly a numerical minority. Even /here/ they are a numerical minority and people are free to be unicorns on 4chins.

>>16548879
tits of gtfo

>>16548879
Based

>>16548926
They rather ignore that there are options for GFE and unicorns that will stay loyal to you and instead stick with girls that clearly don't care about their feelings. You have entire EN groups built around being GFE nowadays, we don;t need to act like it's a dying niche or we're starved for girls that do it.

>>16548879
You will never be a woman tranny

>>16548430
I was not telling you to leave. I meant that it's the inevitable conclusion of not getting what you want, and I don't see you being worried that this is where we are heading.
I am also not saying I want vtubers to behave like this, I say that vtubers want to.
>>deleted post
No, it is not deleted. Are you saying you made that post half a year ago?

>>16548628
I have other criteria for what constitutes prominence, I guess. I think your analogy is disproportionate in how much airtime and importance it ascribes to a collab lasting 2-3 hours for a chuuba who streamed thousands of hours, especially when it never becomes relevant to any of the other streams.
Calling me a faggot doesn't address why that point would not work in my favor, and I would like you to address the point instead.

FYI, none of the posts replying to either of you are mine.

>>16549106
Holo Unicorns are like crazy vegans getting mad at a restuarant that does have some vegan options because there are things on the menu that aren't vegan. Go find a different restaurant if it bothers you that much to see people enjoying something you don't.

>>16548983
I'd wager more than some think, people who mind just tend to avoid those who they think will collab from the start.
Just different audiences

>>16539239

>>16548879
The anime argument is stupid but not just because of telling people what to do. It is stupid because it reminds me how many western chuuba fans are annoying ironic weebs.

>>16539239
well fucking said

>>16549253
There were literally polls /here/ to prove it, plus you can check the IPs. It's a handful of very active people, but it makes sense that they are so active on /vt/ since this is really the only place then can post.

>>16548879
>You're a fucking piece of shit if you try to dangle your money in front of these girls while threatening to take it away
It's not my fault if they choose my money over males.

>>16548926
Please don't encourage these retRds to watch Rushia I don't want more retards in the fandom. If you're just there for "no males" get out. If you're not willing to kill yourself for Rushia I don't want you as a fellow ""fan""

>>16549393
>poal
>can be samefagged with a VPN extension

How many vtubers would exist as content creators/streamers at similar success levels without vtubing?

>>16549510
Considering how much samefagging the handful of unicorns do (again, check the IPs) they should have performed way better on a fucking poal. Either that or they were slacking.

>>16539239
Shit, you sound a little faggot and got a few things wrong and some don't even make sense, but I do agree with your main point, I see Hololive as a cute girls only show, which I've been watching for hours almost every day, so naturally I have become attach to it and obviously don't want it change.
What I would like to add to this is another reason to be against normalizing male interactions. Vtubing is growing, it may become mainstream at some point and there are vtubers debuting almost everyday but most if not all are not following the Hololive approach and if they do it is half-assed, so the options for people who want male in the mix are growing, while "only girls shows" are becoming rarer, and yet this people push every day harder for Hololive to change, why? because they do it in bad faith or are straight up just fucking stupid and don't know what they have and how special it is.

>>16549441
That's only true for JP girls. Apparently for EN girls it's way more controversial to be a furry than to work with males.

>>16549210
You linked to a post besides the reply in your comment that was deleted.

It isn't the length of time that's the big issue it's how it changes things.
You avoid the point of a male collab changing the dynamic going forth, there could now always be one, the security that it will always be the same (part of the appeal of CGDCT) is gone.
If they will collab with guys then why aren't/haven't they in other streams, it ruins the illusion going forth.
Since this only really applies to those who've avoided male collabs it begs the question of why? (to appeal to that crowd generally speaking) it makes the lack thereof look fake going forth or prior.
All of course which could be fixed by chuubas being honest and consistent.

>>16549721
Anon, the "only girls" shows are getting rarer because the audience for it is smaller. If you are an anime fan who is mechafag you will understand. I've already accepted that I'm going to be watching niche anime from the 90s or indie studios while everyone else is watching isekais and Demon Slayer, and I've stopped complaining.

>>16549721
I see more groups that are going with girls only though? Of the ones that /vt/ follows we have HoloEN, Phase Connect, Prism, Kawaii, Cyberlive and then collections of indies that hang out. Meanwhile if you wanted mixed your options are NijiEN, MyholoTV, Tsunderia and who else?

>>16548780
>Irrelevant.
As relevant as yours, but fine, we both said our piece I guess.
>>16548886
Please tell me how to say "it isn't meaningful to me" in a way that's not disingenuous. Are you saying I can't have that opinion, that I must have strong feelings about it? I simply skip streams I don't want to watch.
For the record,
>you could make an argument that Holostars are literal background characters to have Hololive bounce off of.
means "I can see people see Holostars like that". I don't see it that way, but I honestly also don't watch them very much.
>This is not how you make an argument.
Then let me reframe it: The reason it doesn't exist is because a mangaka or animation studio making CGDCT manga/anime isn't interested in including that. But chuubas don't want to restrict their year-long activity to being just that. This is why you shouldn't treat chuubas as such unless you want to be disappointed.

>>16549895
Isn't WACTOR girls only right now too? I'm not sure if they collab with guys though.

>>16549997
Ironically yes, even though spics doesn't give a fuck about male collabs

Whenever the EN girls mentioned HolostarsEN they seemed so excited, they are so ready to subvert Hololive with Mori's help. I suggest you all start doing your JP reps so you can jump ship when it all comes crashing down. It's over...

>>16549862
Perhaps GAR will win the long game.

>>16539239

>>16539239
If CGDCT world is better without male, will real world better without male too?

Don't let fujos and male feminists on this board shame you for having standards, unicorn bros.
how many western whores will pander to unicornchads for our money, but the moment we expect some commitment , we're suddenly raging misogynist 'incels'...
they'll use buzzwords like these to shame you if you dare to expect something from women besides them playing games and doing cute noises while earning a ton of money.
there's also a lot salty 2views and indies who got rejected by JP corpos from /asp/ and /wvt/, hating GFE and idolchads is how they cope.
don't be a cuck like EN oil barons, brainwashed by vshojos talking about how many guys they fucked in a single night.
t. fandead

>>16548879
>These are real people,
Playing a character, if they don't like it they can leave and got the k*on route whenever they want.

>they don't need your permission to do shit, they can do whatever the fuck they want, they are not beholden to you.
That's fair enough

>You're a fucking piece of shit if you try to dangle your money in front of these girls while threatening to take it away because they play amongsus and a male happens to be there.
If you like it then you buy it, if you don't like it then don't buy it, I'm sorry but that's how capitalism works, if the chuba likes to do collabs with males then good for her, but don't expect everyone else to like it.

>They aren't entitled to your money
Absolutely correct!

>but pissing and moaning while threatening them makes you a huge fucking piece of shit and you need to re evaluate your values
You can see it as just bitching, I see it as customer feedback, what? there is fly in your soup? STOP PISSING AND MOANING ABOUT IT YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!

>he west doesn't need retarded clueless schizos that plagues the jap idol scene
Roru
Rumao

>This fucking retarded insane line of thought you have wouldn't fly outside of our shithole for good fucking reason, because you're a schizo
Schizos have more power than ever, not only in anime role playing discussion boards

>>16544213
>EN shitter tries to get into idol culture with EN oshis
You already failed anon. Find real vtubers next time bub.

> Whenever the EN girls mentioned HolostarsEN they seemed so excited, they are so ready to subvert Hololive with Mori's help. I suggest you all start doing your JP reps so you can jump ship when it all comes crashing down. It's over...

>>16550303
here come the wojak poster ahahahahaha

>>16550236
Anon, this isn't even about shame. This is about the fact that unicorns got attached to the wrong kinds of chuubas in the first place. Unless a female chuuba explicitly says she won't work with males then you shouldn't expect her not to, and you shouldn't expect the rest of her fans to care. Since you are a fandead you should be aware of what that difference makes.

Why can these people not stop lying?

>>16549914
>as relevant as yours
Mine described what actually happened in the show yours was a hypothetical that didn't that makes baseless claims in complete contrast to reality.

>are you saying I can't have an opinion
He was speaking to the relevancy of your argument and said nothing of the sort.

>chuubas don't want to
And yet many do.

>>16550286
>Playing a character
Only a couple of them though...

>>16550375
I don't even know if wojakposter is pro or anti male at this point

> TLDR; Gatekeeping will save Hololive, and we must gatekeep harder

>>16548083
They watch girls that either cancel streams last second or hardly stream at all. One of them hardly acknowledges SCs and now they have collabs with men. They lost their self respect ages ago.

>>16539239
BASED AS FUCK

>>16550495
anti

>>16550236
You never did give me proof you were a fandead instead of a false flagger in the last thread

> how about people like you fuck off then and go to those alternatives? > why should hololive specifically change for people that want regularly male interaction like you? What hololive is doing is fine right now and it is because of this is one of the many contributing factors to their popularity. I personally am fine with minor interaction within the company but this can lead to a cancer where male ecelebs outside the company feel invited and get invited for regular interactions, I rather this problem be stomped out before it grows too big

>>16550411
>Unless a female chuuba explicitly says she won't work with males then you shouldn't expect her not to,
I agree but there are lots of chuubas who appeal to viewers with pseudo gfe content and create informal expectations.
Ame at debut is a good example.
The onus too should be on the talent to be forthright with their intentions.

It's like the women who dangle sex as a tool for men to do stuff for them.
Sure the men aren't entitled, but we all know that was the informal agreement.
It's just exploiting vulnerable guys even if they have some blame.

>>16550495
he'll post wojak, then report it, then reset his modem/phone and do it all over again

>>16550452
Like...?

> Based, people that don't accept that vtubers became popular because of ''cute anime girls'' live in delusion

>>16550748
>informal expectations
That's not good enough, you will be disappointed to fall for it. Take that as a lesson from this point forward if you want to be a unicorn.

>>16550452
>character
I wish we got more it's such an underdeveloped scene.
I wish those who want to act like real people would just get normal models like most nijis.
The characters create false expectations and the occasional in character stuff leads people on.
I get this isn't the fault of those like holos but it is annoying.

>>16550883
>Anonymous (63)
>>16550910
>Anonymous (64)
Be less obvious next time. And you know that they stop doing that for a reason.

>>16550763
Luna, Sora... I can't think in more who strictly plays a character, most of them are just themselves with some grains of exaggeration for entertainment purposes.

>>16550945
Honestly I think that characters are actually a niche since maintaining it for a long time could make people losing interest since there is no change through time, unless that vtuber wants to develop her character. I would like to see that

Sorry EN fags, you should have learned with Vshojo. I imagine many of you were fans of nyanners or another retard and hopped on the trend after thinking about your 'lovely anime waifu', but are such shitters you can't even watch subbed anime without reeling back at the squiggly-language.
But now you will suffer for your lack of adaptability. As others have said, go find some indie virtual girl who will love you, or better yet, convert over to the JP side and support your oshi. EN girls are trash.

I know this thread is mostly just 2 or 3 schizos screeching at each other, but this mindset is kind of impossible to understand for me. I can't even watch GFE/ASMR streams because it makes me look at my life from a 3rd person perspective. I can't tolerate being a person who sits in the dark in their apartment role-playing that I actually have a relationship with an anime girl. Enjoying them as entertainers and background streams is what I'm here for... I'd rather do my IRL reps than pop a blood vessel about an internet personality interacting with another internet personality in a professional capacity.

>>16551269
Why is someone with a life as good as yours doing /here/

>>16539239
Based and this is pretty much my attitude. I simply do not have interest in watching anime boys. The existing Holostars are pretty much harmless but I have very low expectations for what a HolostarsEN would be like.

>>16551269
Honestly I agree, I just avoid stuff like that because I know it isn't for me.

>>16551045
>Subaru doesn't play a character
>Haachama doesn't play a character
>Aqua doesn't play a character
>Zion doesn't play a character
>Fubuki doesn't play a character
>Nene doesn't play a character
>Watame doesn't play a character
>Korone doesn't play a character
>Okayu doesn't play a character
>Marine doesn't play a character
>Mel doesn't play a character
>Choco doesn't play a character
>Lapras doesn't play a character
>Kuroe doesn't play a character
>Iroha doesn't play a character
>Koyori doesn't play a character

>>16551342

I'm just here for the shitposts and the rare mooms. I always thought the schizos were just like a zoo exhibit with monkeys throwing shit at each other. They're the entertainment while most of the board chuckles and goes about their business. I'm just a bit surprised that THIS is the thing that pushed them over the line and has them flooding every thread.

>>16551624
Anons really don't understand that /vt/ is just a freakshow for lurkers and not much more.

>>16551269
>In a professional capacity
I've never seen anybody actually angry over stuff like interviews and such it's more the flirting or focus being on some ikemen and not chat.

Never been personally effected but I imagine i'd have a different response to my oshii collabing with say Sugita, which i'd like, than something that has her on her knees before pretty boys like that Suisei image.

>>16551609
No they don't.

>>16551269
>They hated him because he spoke the truth

>>16550286
>Playing a character,
KEK
Funniest thing I have read today.

>>16539239
> Cucks this, incels that, yada yada.
If you haven't realized it yet, the posters here who throw those terms around the ones who embody them. The though process is "I'm a loser and I like X, therefore X is for losers and all of its fans are like me." 100% pure projection

>>16551609
Read my post again, they are exaggerated versions of themselves, this is not playing a character

>>16551812
>Subaru
Shes started appealing to gachikoi after she realized that being able to live while only doing mild idol like behavior is a good thing now she's full on embraced being an idol to the point of crying over an anniversary delay
>Fubuki
Is and always will be a weeb/westaboo
>Watame
She is actually a very mild menhera do to all her family issues and everything about her is done to maintain her para-social family dynamic with her viewers
>Korone
PL reps and Roommate reps will tell you all about this one.
>Okayu
Shes actually a fat horny cat otaku simple as
Everyone else listed is disengenious to some degree

We see that there are great benefits to not collaborating with males.
But what's the argument for people wanting to collab with males? I only see people who want to troll.

>>16552337
Appeals to the NTR market

>>16552337
D-destroying bad and toxic idol culture.

>>16539239
Actually OP here.

It's pretty obvious that the thread has been swarmed with people that didn't bother to actually read my blog.
Don't worry, I get it. It's easier to just mindlessly screech than to try to engage in a civilised discussion.

Anyways, I still wanted to briefly touch on the GFE thing because I'm seeing a lot of people bring it up.
I thought I initially made it pretty clear albeit with implications but this isn't about GFE. CGDCT has nothing to do with GFE.

Maybe people jumped on the GFE argument because Fauna is one of my favourites?
I probably should have clarified.
The GFE isn't what makes me like Fauna and I actually can't stand ASMR.
I watch her for her gaming streams because she always sounds like she's having the time of her life and it's really fucking contagious.

Her ASMR is literally dead content for me and she mostly separates the GFE from her gaming streams.

>>16550655 (me)
Never will give proof in this thread either I guess

>>16552482
Anons were arguing to each other, no one cared about the OP take

>>16552482
We are with you OP

>>16552337
There's the opportunity for fun collabs between people with good chemistry. Just like Okayu and Korone are great together, Fox Demon can be a fun duo. To use a Nijisanji example, Sanbaka are a great trio, but I also enjoy SMC collabs are when Kanae and HSKW collab.

>>16552337
The problem is that is hard to see if there is a benefit since they didn't try at all, 1 or 2 collabs won't tell you if it's profitable in the long run, so is like a risky investment

>>16551216
YOU'RE WRONG! YOU'RE WRONG, ANON! That day... that day after HoloEN was first announced... many people wanted to jump ship and remain with the JP girls. But I convinced them to go on... against their will. I made them invest in ENcoin, part of it was self-preservation but I... I WANTED TO BE A HERO!!
I pretended to be a unicorn for the same reason... I wanted the EN girls to be looked up to and beloved... that... that it has nothing to do with the times and the environments they were brought up in. I am just a bad person. Vtubers collabing with males is my own fault.
I just hate myself so much. Please just kill me. I just want to disappear.

>>16539239
oh nyo

>>16539239
>I watch vtubers like I watch CGDCT anime.

I watch vtubers like I watch pro wrestling.
I like seeing wacky and outlandish characters getting up to wacky hijinx. I know none of it is real, and just like going along for the chemical ride it induces in my brain.

I could be sat in the middle of a roomful of male vtube streamers and actually never even once worry about their dicks getting in the way of things. To be absolutely truthful, I think it's even possible that their dicks wouldn't cross my mind a single time! I don't know, maybe something is wrong with me, as a straight man, for not immediately thinking about the dicks of every male streamer I see.

>>16552337
males become more attractive when they have a harem

>>16552993
This is ironically true kek

>>16552825
idk what's your point but off yourself aotfag

>>16552983

based

>>16549853
I linked to this post: https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/4743855/#4775022
>You avoid the point of a male collab changing the dynamic going forth, there could now always be one
>All of course which could be fixed by chuubas being honest and consistent.
An anime girl have agency written into them to her, she acts "as if" males do not interest her. There is no reason to worry that the girl will change her mind - the writers literally decide what she acts like.
But vtubers shift priorities and want different things one month or year down the line. Neither she nor you can ever be sure that she will not have different priorities 1 year down the line. This is why I don't think it really changes things - rather the people insisting on it delude themselves about vtubers being able to change and do things their audience disapproves of. It goes both ways, people who want CGDCT could want other things for any sort of reason, and a nomales chuuba can't insist that her audience will always want her to stay that way.

>>16539814
Cute anime girls can interact with males and still be cute anime girls. I know because I streamed project zomboid for my 2view oshi the other day and you faggots can fucking cry about it.

>>16552975
>Hakos, Ollie, Mumei, Iofi contaminated by males
And nothing of value was lost

>>16552795
>1 or 2 collabs won't tell you if it's profitable in the long run, so is like a risky investment
It's not profitable, just look at FBK or Mori's number during the collab.

>>16552975
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/s5k2wx/yes_yes_yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees/

>>16553304
Mori hardly did 2 or 3 collabs, and FBK if my memory isn't wrong was reclining when at the moment of doing those collabs, idk if now that she inclines strongly again can make good numbers in a fox demon collab

>>16553463
Her foxdemon collab always get worse number than her solo stream.

This is why JP will forever be the superior branch

>>16553533
Fair enough

>>16553429
>yes_yes_yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
It had to be reddit of course

>>16550425
>Mine described
You said irrelevant quoting "to me". That part of your reply wasn't about the show, and if it was supposed to be you didn't phrase it that way (or at all).
>the relevancy of your argument
He quoted ">One collab out of hundreds of streams isn't meaningful to me, [something about holostars that's apparently irrelevant]" so I thought the phrasing "not meaningful TO ME" was considered as disingenuous, not the argument about the hypothetical. Pretty much same thing as above applies.
>>16550425
>And yet many do.
Ok this gets us nowhere. Some do some don't. Watch the ones you like but don't be surprised if one of them didn't know they would change their opinion about in a year or two. Because unlike anime characters, they can. Doesn't mean they will, but the uncertainty is always inherent. I will also not be surprised if the reverse case happens.

>>16551269
I wish I was more like you. I am a DD and don't sweat if something I disagree with happens. But I still find it hard to look at this place and just let retards be retards. Sometimes I end up realizing that people are much better and saner than I initially thought. But none of this gets me forward in life and I don't think I am doing them or me nearly as much of a service as my IRL reps would.

> i only watch HoloJP

>>16546795
Agree, keep your streamers collabing with whoever we want and week keep our idols

>>16554094
Collabing with whoever they want and we keep our idols*

>>16554094
one day they'll collab with males too, it's just a matter of time until this sexism against males ends

>>16553784
there's a good subreddit for you
>> r/incels

>>16554081

>>16554306
Glad they stop doing that. We won JPchads!

>>16552337
i'm on a moral crusade and you can't stop me

>>16554346

>>16554346
kys incel

>>16554477
Glad they stop doing that. We won JPchads!

>>16554477
OH NO NO NO HOLOCHADS??!!

maybe there is no right answer

I am a 28 year old virgin. So essentially I am a wizard.

I also think that many vtubers are into that parasocial relationship thing and I respect that, as long as you aren't fucking a man behind the scenes, that screams dishonesty to your fans.
Still, I don't mind men collabing with women. It is NOT an incel thing. I just think men and women can be friends and collab with each other for fun. It's normal.

I want to see Maimoto and Subaru again, Roberu and the rest of JP (not Ollie, annoying cunt), etc

>>16554578
Holy cringe

>>16553862
>they can
I don't think anybody has said otherwise it's the implications that divides people.
If they change their style to something antithetical to their original image they should graduate instead of ruining the image just like other industry equivalents.

If you sell gfe and change your mind just be open about it and don't keep doing gfe going forth, they often aren't though hence the anger at perceived betrayal.
They want to have their cake and eat it

>>16552337
I generally like collabs more than solo streams, especially group zatsudans. Doesn't mean I would like all streams to be collabs, it's just a preference of what I would rather watch. It's really one and the same to me if the collab partners are same or opposite-gendered.
>>16552482
No one ever cares about the OP take. It has nothing to do with you, it just doesn't work that way here. You're enjoying the fantasy and as long as you are aware it's a fantasy, you have very little to lose.

>>16552983
Based

I feel this.
I made the mistake once of watching an IronMouse video on Youtube. Ever since I've had constant recommendations for videos related to that Connor faggot who is her boyfriend or something? I don't know but it's fucking annoying and I hate seeing his fucking face.

>>16555377
>evidence_that_susan_hates_vtubers.txt

>>16554182
Against males? Nah dude, I want to join, be an idol, not collab with females, and have female fans that get crazy if I do.

>>16555411
What?

>>16539911
This, holy shit. If anything, I just treat the roommates as their fucking VAs.

>>16554838
>I don't think anybody has said otherwise
I don't think anybody should feel betrayed by their oshi if she doesn't stay the same for years, then. It's a risk you have to take if you are investing emotionally into her being "pure" and "just how you picture her in your mind".
>they should graduate instead of ruining the image
One part of the audience may prefer it and another one would literally go "Graduation never". I don't see who would be in the right here.

>>16539239
>Vtubing was meant for this, not to be a crutch for people with no personality, charisma or a sense of humour dreaming about breaking into the easy streamer life.
And yet you're a fan of Fauna, how curious

>>16550916
Is that how people was portrayed as a basedjak before the internet?

>>16554346
>>16554523
unicorns win again!

>>16552206
...
Anon you do realize that what you are saying is literally the modern use of kayfabe, right?

I'm not bothered in the least by Mumei doing this. Why? HoloEN are not idols. They have never tried to be. They are just not hololiv, they are just streamers with the hololive name. I expect nothing from them.

>>16554578
>what dropping Luna does to a mf

>>16539239
based

>>16557175
This

>>16539239
> I don't want to see male interactions when I sit down to watch something like "K-On!"
I get it you don't actually watch much CGDCT then.

>>16559611
not him but I watched every cgdct without males and there is no much to watch indeed

>>16557175
This, except the numbers are reversed. There's one guy doing a ton of superchats who loves hololive the way it is, and a bunch of others yelling loudly about how progressive and open-minded they are, but they never superchat or buy merch.

>>16556385
Except those that still like her could watch her under a new persona, happens all the time in adjacent industries.

>>16559611
Yea, I know Lucky Star. Putting aside the fact that it came before CGDCT really became an established thing, gained popularity and molded a certain formula, your example is still not very valid as, correct me if I'm wrong, he was mostly only featured in those 4th wall breaking post-episode segments and was only used as a background/minor side character outside of it.

>>16550411
This, it works better if you treat individual VTubers as different types of anime.

>>16561674
He proposed to, or at least tried to do it, to Kagami. After the episode where she waited for someone else that did not show up.

And there's also Konata's dad, that is very prominent in a few episodes.

And their appearances did not suddenly ruin everything.

>>16539239
Based and correct

>>16539239
Then just don’t watch?? I don’t see the problem here. I prefer to watch men and even though I don’t mind watching women, only recently have I been getting vtubers that catered to my tastes, well ones that I can understand in my own language. You guys are so spoiled that you need to complain yet you have an all you can eat, choose what you want buffet.

Just a daily reminder that even the most pro male collab people back on /jp/ in /hlg/ were even opposed to a chuuba having a boyfriend. If you unicorned or Gosling mumei knowing who she was then you're a cuck. Just don't do it. Her fanbase is full of kids anyways.

>>16548430
Anon, m*le collabs won’t be the end of the world. If you’re that pressed over your oshi interacting with a m*le, watch solo streams.

Gender is just a social construct, so it shouldn't even matter.

>>16548879
Legendary bait, anon, have a (You)

>>16539239
100% correct my dude.

>>16557175
Thank you for posting this. Its so fucking stupid how proud people are of the fact they think they'll be ok with male collabs. 100% they'll start watching less and the chuubas will get fewer scs. Absolute delusion to think otherwise

Honestly anyone who doesn't feel at least a little bit jealous when a lady shows interest in another guy is probably gay or has low test. Shit would just put me on edge when hololive is easily the most relaxing thing in my life. Yes I know I'm a pathetic human but so is everyone on this board so you don't have to point it out

>>16564602
That's perfectly normal behaviour.
Coworker wouldn't talk to the coffee girl yesterday after he saw her flirting with some guy, dudes already married too.
People can use all the mental gymnastics they want the lizard brain doesn't care.

>>16564365
Look at people fleeing California, people lie to themselves all the time.

>>16554559
Notice these are all Gen 0 through Gamers. Once Gen 3 hit and blew up without doing collabs with males, Yagoo had them cut that shit out and start milking their gachikoi.

>>16554578
Hime would laugh her ass off for like an hour if she saw this and could understand this autist. I bet the mofo is also pissed that she's steadily dropping her -nanora gobi.

>>16564602
Why are men so retarded?

>>16566988
Yagoo's favourite is the one who stopped collabing with guys and wants to attract gachikoi.
Really makes you wonder.

>>16567142
Genuinely, evolution.
Cuck gets bandied about to often but from an evolutionary perspective if you don't behave like that your line dies out, even those little interactions can grow hence why you stop it outright.
It's the people who cry incel that are genuinely socially retarded, most guys are like that just less vocal than an imageboard would be.

>>16550236
based

>>16564602
But just because they do a collab stream, does it always mean that one is interested in the other in romantic or sexual way? Ofc for the likes of ollie or bae who openly say their interest,those 2 are different case. I'm talking more about reine collab with the keyboard guy for example

>>16539239
Yeah, the hobby's already dead, time to move back to anime. Vtuber streaming was always going to attract streamers who just want their job to be easier which was naturally going to be people who hate all of the culture they are now supposedly representing. The only way vtubing could have survived is if it was fully controlled so that the streamers themselves would stay in-character at all times but the people who do that are already the minority. It's over.

>>16564602
It doesn’t bother me because I know they all inevitably have boyfriends or husbands behind the scene anyway.

>not self inserting as the male vtuber
get on my level, chudcels

>>16568328
>It doesn't bother me when my mother and father have sex on the kitchen table while I'm trying to eat my breakfast because I understand that's where I came from.
I genuinely wonder how people like you get so sick in the head.

>>16568234
As I said above, the suspicion of that is an evolutionary trait.
If you are voluntarily collabing 99% chance they like each other or they wouldn't.
Now see how often and for how long the "men and women can't be just friends" argument has gone on.
It's true to a degree though since all women as the selectors subconsciously scout for partners.
Can anybody genuinely tell me if you hung out with an attractive charismatic member of the opposite the thought wouldn't go through your mind?
It's a common joke about men imagining their whole lives with a woman who just says hello.

>>16568460
That’s a false equivalency

>>16568447
I shudder at the thought of how miserable of a mental state one must be in to be able to do that.

>>16568671
No it isn't, it's the exact same thing. Everyone knows their parents are having sex, nobody is telling their parents to not have sex but all normal people understand that kids and parents don't need to be having conversations about that sex. Your counterpoint to people not wanting something on stream is that it doesn't bother you because they are doing that thing offline but everyone knows they are doing it offline, that is not what people are against. People want to watch a character but you just want the person behind-the-character even though you can get that with literally every non-vtuber.

>>16568832
Sometimes I fantasize on what it would be like to be a vtuber and collab with my oshis.

>>16568501
> As I said above, the suspicion of that is an evolutionary trait.
If you are voluntarily collabing 99% chance they like each other or they wouldn't.
Idk man, that just sound like a bs to me.
I have partnered with a lot of female in my workplace in which some of them volunteered to do the projects. I have never interested to any of them because i hate bringing drama into workplace and you are saying 99% of those women were interested in me? Haha sure

>>16568972
There's a big difference between that and straight up self-inserting as the guy that's literally cucking your fantasy.

>>16569337
Are the females in your workplace idols?
No.
Are you a charismatic and/or attractive idol?
No.
False equivalence, why did you ignore large chunks of my post/questions?
Also I never said 99% were romantically interested but that they liked the other, don't pretend streaming is the same as other work culture either, these aren't rigid sets and often enough they are hanging out behind the scenes.
If any of them were young, good looking, and affable you'd have to be gay not to think that way.

>>16539239
>As a straight man, if I want male company from streaming then I will go watch someone like Northernlion.
Anyone with taste this good has to be right.

>>16569337
People just refuse to think about this in practical terms. You are all for collabs with males, but you never explain what you think is so valuable about that. Many of the Holo girls actively flirt with their collab partners, that's central to how they collab. To pretend that dynamic is the same when you switch out their female collab partner for a male one is just dishonest. You can say that Ina and Kiara or Subaru and Luna or Botan and Watame don't actually love each other if you want but acting like they do is part of the collab experience. So it doesn't actually matter if they don't love their male collab partner, they will have to act like they do or make it part of their character to instead shit on males which would also alienate them from their fans who are male. The types of people who can collab with males no problem also have a very different dynamic with females. So while there are Holos who can collab with males no problem and it's no impact on their character, there are many who very clearly can't and those are the ones people are fighting over. And in the case of someone like Baelz, she openly admits to fantasizing about and wanting to get fucked by Roberu. So anyone watching them together on stream knows that's the dynamic even if they try to pretend otherwise for the stream itself. The type of people who enjoy that shit are not the type of people who liked Hololive as it was.

>>16570108
I think a good example is the recent collab Noel had with Gariben, she was clearly much more nervous and stilted she couldn't act like she usually does.
Choco on the other hand had a buff guy go shirtless and them argue over who had the better chest, something that would fit for Noel but she clearly wouldn't do.

>>16569969
>Are the females in your workplace idols?
Well they surely arent, but some of them are definitely good looking, at least way better than some of the vtubers's roommate.
>Are you a charismatic and/or attractive idol?
No. But are your kind really wont mind if your oshi's collab partner is a male that isnt an attractive idol? Nah i bet 100% you guys would still mald over it
>Also I never said 99% were romantically interested but that they liked the other,
So what's the difference really? Romantically or sexually interested with liked the other.
>don't pretend streaming is the same as other work culture either, these aren't rigid sets and often enough they are hanging out behind the scenes.
Well maybe for the indies sure, but for corporate vtubers? Yeah i think they basically arent that much different with the usual work environment.

>>16539239
>Nijinigger hate him cause he preaches the truth

>>16570803
It's also the same as how some girls are confident enough to collab with people who speak another language and others are not. There's no ban on the branches collabing but not everyone is comfortable doing it. In many cases their character changes when transferred to another language like with Kronii for example doing a complete 180 while Subaru's persona can translate perfectly into her passion English. The people pushing for every girl to collab with a male are the same ones getting mad at JP for not studying English all day.

>>16570108
> People just refuse to think about this in practical terms. You are all for collabs with males, but you never explain what you think is so valuable about that.
Simply because it can potentially make a kino collab? Like for example i personally think the ID Star among us collab was one of the funniest holo stream i have ever watched.
>Many of the girls actively flirt with their collab partner.
Cool and who force them to do the same when they collab with males? None, they can just stop doing that when they collab with the males or dont stream with males at all.
My point is that, for me i dont really care if they collab with males, females, old people, young people. As long as its entertaining and the partner isnt a person i dont like ex. Connor, go for it i guess.

>>16547349
>using K-ON to defend faggotry
>the most female saturated show where male screentime is mere seconds

>>16572291
See, this is why it's hard to take your crying seriously because you just openly admit you are uninformed on the topic and fighting a battle no one else is having and aligning yourself with fucking retards. If the issue here were you like streamers who collab with males because you prefer that style of content and other people like streamers who don't collab with males because they prefer the that style of content, then the solution is, let's keep these two types of streamers and their fanbases separate. But the people you side with are campaigning against that. They don't like that there is an option for viewers who just want girls that don't collab with males. It bothers them that outside of their sphere there are other streamers and viewers engaging in a fantasy they view as unhealthy or problematic. Nobody is trying to shut down your streamers, they are trying to keep you away from theirs.

>>16552983
Based

>>16539239

>>16539239
Are you a deadbeat?

>>16553429
how excited reddit gets about male collabs is honestly just as weird as unicorns but I fully expect to be destroyed by both sides for having such a viewpoint.

>>16575657
I mean at the end of the day they are both just cucks of different stripes. What outsiders like you fail to recognize is unicorns as a phenomenon barely exist and if they do, they aren't coming here. People here are extreme because they have to be to push against reddit's overwhelming influence. But those reddit faggots, they actually do believe that shit and have zero self-awareness about it. They claim they are pushing against something too, but 99% admit the culture they are pushing against is JP and yet because they can't speak Japanese, they just attack their fellow English speakers that like Japan instead. So both sides are exactly the same if you want to get reductive about it except one is pushing back against something that is hostile to them (/vt/) and the other is pushing back against something that has nothing to do with them through a proxy war (reddit).

>>16575657
Reddit just wants burn this all down. The mods and admins would much rather have another livestreamfails with anime girls than a subreddit full of altright dogwhistles, and they are willing to completely game their subreddit to make it happen. Males collabing is just a means to an end for them and when the alternative is moderatated, there are only gonna be pro collab opinions.

>>16555377
The "don't recomend me this" option is there to avoid that anonchama

>>16575657
I'm pretty sure reddit only likes it because they want to piss off a portion of the fanbase. They're dramafags.

>>16575416
Mori's been the antithesis of CGDCT since her debut.
What do you think, anonchama?

>>16575657
if they were true to themselves and not just sjw their way through another fad, the males would have a bigger audience lol
ollie saying "they DESERVE LOVE" is the mentality of these fags
like, you are obligated to accept bullshit or you are being wrong and terrible as a person

>>16568234
>But just because they do a collab stream, does it always mean that one is interested in the other in romantic or sexual way
No but it always seems to evolve rapidly into friend zone where they talk about how much Chad banged them but they're not sure if he's the right one since he's only 6'1....no one wants to be the cuck sitting there listening to a woman talk her sex life. Women doesn't seem to realize this.

>>16578056
You don't think I've clicked that a million times retardchama?

OP is 100% correct, keep men out of my cute anime girl streams.

>>16539239
people will defend this
https://files.catbox.moe/pnvq8g.webm

>>16581637
yubi yubi

>>16568447
>"I am so cucked I pretend that I am another living guy that does get to interact with my oshi to make myself feel better about having no shot at properly interacting with her at all! G-get on my level, i-incels!"
Jesus Christ (and even he didn't get cucked).

>>16552337
why do you even label people as males and females/ it makes no sense in this context.
whats the difference between collabing with a male or a female?
.

>>16557014
It's not.

>>16557055
Mighty convenient for you to single her out. There will be three other girls.

>>16584110
She's being singled out because she's the only one anybody had any expectations of, you fucking retard.

>>16584554
And what are those expectations specifically? Enlighten me.

>>16583947
>it makes no sense in this context.
It is you dumb tranny.

>>16584581
Not collabing with males.

>>16585079
>I'm not bothered in the least by Mumei doing this. Why? HoloEN are not idols. They have never tried to be. They are just not hololiv, they are just streamers with the hololive name. I expect nothing from them.
Lol.

>>16539239
Funny thing is, holos already made it, you either in for a ride or just straight up move on to some indie 2view virgin that will have to interact with your deranged ramblings just to kill dead air on stream. At this point unless someone will support taliban extremists on stream or something like that, consider any dramafags and their rrats irrelevant.

>>16586906
Wake up, taliban extremists are now the government of Afghanistan.
It must be something that really engages the status quo, like holo proclaiming faggotfy a despicable sin and source of AIDS or something of that nature.

>>16550236
Falseflagging faggot using a copypasta

If its a cute girl anime just skip the episode bro its not that hard, its not like you only have 12 episodes, you have an insane amount of episodes with thousands of hours, if you actually do view it as an anime you can just skip a bit of filler retard

It's a bit of a cramp to the vibe but I want ERPfags to leave, so this for the greater good

>>16586906
Next time try to make it a bit less obvious that you haven't read a single word of the post you're replying to, kek. What an absolute fucking faggot.

>>16539239
holy based