/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>16541241
Theres a reason she wont sing it during karaoke anymore.

Congrats on totally missing the point of the song

>>16541332
it's ok when Connor, her good friend whom she talks a lot, says it

>>16541241
I don't understand

talking shit before an audience and apologizing in private is spineless behavior.

I'm disappointed. This is really anemic compared to the storms of orange woman bad we used to have.

I don't get it

>>16541241
I was just thinking about this in the morning, heh

I dont get it?

>>16542189
Mori defended Connor who said that getting into Hololive is a free ticket to success regardless of talent

>>16543734
Looks like I got out at the right time.

don't wanna start anything
but for months I've been seeing the names Connor and Roberusomething floating around
and I immediately scroll past
so at this point in time they are literally who

>>16543876
cool blog

>>16543734
Timestamp?

Even Mori herself believes she “got lucky”. No one seriously believes everyone in hololive got in because of hard work. Some did. But getting in IS a free ticket to more subs than your roommate. That part isn’t wrong

>>16545078
Lmao no.

>>16545148
Nothing said there was wrong

>>16545078
>But getting in IS a free ticket to more subs than your roommate
Anya and Iofi disprove your argument.

>>16545177
Literally who?
I know Lofi and Anya in hololive though

>>16545177
They have roommates with more subs? And superchats for that matter, since that's where the money is. 500K subs aren't going to get you shit in terms of raw ad revenue.
For Island Orientals they're doing really well.

>>16543734
After making him apologize to the other girls.

>>16543876
>I totally don't know who he is yet somehow perfectly remembered how to spell Roberu's weird name

>>16545148
What part is wrong and what proof do you have

>>16543734
is there a link to this

>>16545380
its fucking robert with a u instead of a t not that weird

>>16542639
>mori is not actually a 6 foot tall stacy who uses her cock and balls to beat her haters into submission by raping them

Whoa....

>>16545002
>>16545547
If you're asking about Cannur, it was this:
>https://clips.twitch.tv/WealthySuccessfulPeafowlCmonBruh-BUqXwdethhH0qMMN

If you're asking for Mori, member stream. Do archive reps or try to convince someone to release an audio

>>16545342
Mori did not claim to have made him do anything, she just said that he personally apologized to EN. Furthermore there's a good chance that he only spoke to Mori, since Kiara mentioned she was not in contact with the trash taste people earlier today when people were speculating about an upcoming sponsored collab she's doing.

Considering most of EN constantly deals with imposter syndrome due to the surprising amount of success EN has had it seems malicious to make a comment like Connor did. If Mori had a spine she'd stop association with them but she's too fixated on her dream collar with critical

>>16545742
he already said this in an episode of TT before
we all know that just by being under hololive, you'll already be recognizable and get a headstart against indies and less popular corpos, branding works
being under a brand and getting your name out there by working hard is a different thing altogether though
mori (music artist), ina (illustrator), suisei (vsinger), pekora, fubuki, miko, korone, marine (all great entertainers) have all shown their hardwork so they earned their fame
if a low-tier holo never made it in, I doubt they'll even get 100k subs

>>16545742
>member stream
How convenient

>>16545816
Are you ESL or braindead and actually expected a personal call from Connor to each EN member? Try living in the real world sometimes.

>>16546730
nta but that's what Mori herself said, that connor apologized to her and every member of EN
If you want to give mori shit for lying about that too, go ahead, but it's pretty obvious she'll only double down further for TT
https://files.catbox.moe/75cb93.mp4

>>16546107
did he even mention EN specifically? I only watched the clip>>16545742
I just think the schizos are acting like white people on san fran, acting like they're the victims

>>16541241
This whole “controversy” is just KFP trying to deflect from the discovery of Kiara’s abortion. What a nothing burger.

>>16547237
But Kiara said she promised to keep our child...

>>16543876
They live rent free in most schizo posters head

>>16541241
Mori is a backstabbing bitch, if she was loyal to her people she wouldn't be in Japan trying to fuck manlets

>>16546336
Okay now defend sana getting in.

>>16545742
I don't watch Mori much, but when I go through her videos I see member streams listed there that I can view. Did she not release that one publicly? Is that normal for her?

>>16546916
Again, are you braindead? It should be obvious that Mori had a discussion with him and he apologized there to every EN. But not literally calling up everybody and talking to everybody face to face, retard. How are you a functioning human being?

>>16546916
>https://files.catbox.moe/75cb93.mp4
>it was out of context
Pretty gay of her. Why does she collab with them if she doesn't want their shit dragged back to her stream?

>>16545742
But hololive hires people that have been doing something similar for years already. Like, apart from Subaru, every girl already had streaming experience or were a vtuber.
What a fucking retarded argument.

>>16547676
You might want to listen to the clip and hear mori say that he personally apologized to all of EN
Emphasis on personally

>>16547710
She apologized personally to mori's friends through her? Why are you angry incel.

>>16545342
>>16546730
don't believe moris lies
https://streamable.com/5a8uq2

>>16547825
It's a fucking retarded argument in the first place, is the issue.
Almost everyone in the JP branch have been streaming for years before joining hololive but he makes it seem like they pick people at random.

>>16545742
That is disturbing to learn that she would rather defend the TT faggots than her fellow Vtubers.

>>16547856
Either mori is lying about Connor personally apologizing, in which case she's just always doing to double down on trying to get flak off of him, or Kiara meant TT as a whole instead of individual members.
I doubt it's the former, and Kiara is a mostly useful idiot for behind-the-scenes stuff with Myth.

>>16547676
>"He personally apologized to me and, actually, every single member of EN"
How does one personally apologize by proxy? Of course, Mori has her infamous way with words, so she probably just misspoke.

>>16547856
Honestly sad. I heard deadbeats say she was improving but by her defensive reaction it's pretty clear that she values the networking she's doing outside of hololive more than within. Good for her though I guess. It's working out She's rich now, but fuck, deadbeats I feel bad for anyone losing their oshi but when she graduates I can almost guarantee she's gonna turn on you instantly.

>>16546336
Most of them are low tier streamers (at least in EN side). a lot of indies and even nijifaggots fucking mog them in entertainment value.

Your statement is bullshit cuz just being on hololive is literally free 200k subs for existing. You literally cannot fail once you're in the company unless you fuck it up and be a menhera (Aloe).

If you're going to use Sana or Anya to shitpost after, fucking take note that even with them underperforming for a holo, they're still doing better financially than any other streamer outside holo.

And fuck Ayame streams once in a blue moon and people still eat her shit up.

face it, hololive is a free ticket, as long as you don't quit you're made. You're immune to criticism and people just give you shit for free.

>>16548006
I mean. It's true though.

>>16548229
I turned on her already, so fuck her.

>>16547856
>https://streamable.com/5a8uq2
Yikes mori and i was warming up to you again thinking you changed for the better.

>>16547856
email this to hololive desu

>>16548257
the shittiest holo is still leaps and bounds better than the best vshojo

>>16543734
He's right, look at the talentless hacks in Council.

>>16547927
Some of holoX were literally had sub 10 viewer average on twitch.

>>16547545
She no longer release member stream since mid last year i think, somewhere near end of life release.

>>16545177
Show me the Indonesian indie with more than 400k subscribers.

>>16547856
MORI CALIEOPE LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO

>>16548273
Not in my opinion if it was EN2 would not suck ass the new jp gen is far better in every regard. Because they are good streamers and bust ass to live up to the company name. The company name dont mean jack unless you are entertaining and likable in my opinion.

>>16547112
He could only mean EN as, despite his years in Japan, he'a still a shitty EOP.

>>16547710
Define similar? Iirc most of Myth weren't streamers before getting hired.

>>16548973
those that weren't streamers had years of experience in other fields

>>16548973
Reps

>>16548973
They were all entertainers without getting into roomate shit all of them were familiar with live audiences.

>>16548973
Isn't Mori the only one who had no streaming experience?

>>16549122
She literally said on stream that she used to stream art

>>16546916
>green names
also BASED

>>16543876
Roberu is a Vtuber in holostars. The other guy has a youtube channel or something with more people that I haven't watched ever so I can comment on it.

>>16548578
So? All of them streamed or were vtubers already. I'm not arguing against the fact that hololive gives you a boost in viewers, I'm arguing against the fact that they don't actually look at someone's experience and what they have done before they recruit them.
Regardless of talent my ass, that guy is just salty that his iron lung egf doesn't get more views on a platform that's pure garbage for discovery once your stream is off.

>>16549221
That's like the lowest tier of stream. Before Ina I have never seen even well known artists break a couple hundred,

>>16549422
Yeah, because Koyori really earned a debut with 180k viewers.

>>16543734
She realized that after they introduced Council

>>16546916
Imagine paying to watch this bitch when she's actively contributing to the downfall of Hololive.

>>16549524
Why not? Who are you to judge what is earned and what isn't? Does Aki, Sora or Roboco deserve less viewers than your vshojo thots despite putting in a lot more hours and creativity?
Who the fuck are you to say who deserves what. If hololive hired them, they clearly think so.

>>16547856
Is the kiara clip is from member stream ? i cant find any stream match up with it

>>16548303
What does it mean when Kiara is saying she is not in contact with Trash Taste people regarding a collab or something similar? What's more, not saying it happened, but it's perfectly possible that the guy apologized and no further contact was made after as Kiara says about not being them for something else. Meaning no one is lying.

>>16548793
I personally don't see it. Mayhaps I've just grown too jaded but I honestly don't think even half of those in Hololive now could've been successful without Hololive.

>>16549635
Koyori did fucking nothing yet. She literally got those viewers cuz lul Hololive.

Stop being delusional. In the hypothetical a 60 year old grandma got accepted in hololive and got a cute model that already makes their debut near 100k material kek

>>16549635
I kneel to the power of Hololive's brand but you can't deny the size of the silver spoon hololive members are born with. Hololive's credibility has earned 180k viewrs, not Koyori.

When will they fire Sora that bitch only has 2k below views lmao..

Also thread theme https://youtu.be/qGk4E9ss95s

>>16549790
She's been a vsinger for years you absolute fucking nigger holy shit.
If hololive hires them, they clearly think they are worth it so you can take your seething 2view chuubas and return to the garbage dump where they will end up.

>>16549905
bitch clearly doesnt even deserve those views she just sings and plays games that were made before her viewers were born

>>16549524
She passed the JP auditions, which are fucking nasty since the scene is actually competitive, so yeah she did

>>16549839
This.
Connor is 100% right and once you've gotten into hololive you'll be sucking on a silver spoon.

>>16547676
I will never accept that retard's apology and no Holo should be bothered to listen to it, Connor is just one anti out of thousands.

ITT sneeding 2views

>>16550180
But Mori loves him...

>>16543734
He's right, though.

I'm done with her i gave her all the chances i could to be a good streamer and to her credit she got better at it. I gave her all the chances i could to be a likable person and she would rather associate with the ironic weeb TT faggots and probably hates real otaku's. It is pretty clear at this point I'm not her target audience and she wants the ironic weeb normal fag crowd who find japan problematic and try too cancel mangakas on twitter over shit they dont like.

>>16550310
She's more of a "real" otaku/weeaboo than anyone on this board.

>>16550151
everything connor said applies to mori lol

Connor should do a public apology.

>>16550359
lmfao ogey

>>16541271
But she does

>>16550180
That's irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that this is all corporate. Kadokawa and Cover are in bed together, TT and Hololive have to play nice.

>>16550359
TT is not though.

>>16550359
>Undertale Tumblr user and rap fan
Yeah, real otaku material

Is this like some new evolution of unicorns?
No shit, people signed to corpos get undue attention and viewership buffs. Hololive is the biggest corpo and thus gives the largest buffs. Is there anyone really unironically surprised or offended by this? Or rather, is it the fact that someone said it out loud that offends you so?
Sure, let's pretend corpos don't get a buff! Muh immersion! Muh narrative of poor starving aspiring idols who come up from nothing!
Fuck off.

>>16550397
No shit? Mori's career pre-HL proves you can work yourself halfway into the grave and see basically no return on it. Even now she produces way more non-streaming content than basically every other Holo and there's still a few that do much better than her.

>>16550519
>>16550597
She bought a ticket to Japan, learned the language, did everything she could to be a part of the jrap subculture because she loves it. That's more than the faggots here that spend an hour a month on duolingo learning kana can say.

>>16550359
With your logic Chris Abroad is the ultimate otaku

>>16550599
Way to misconstrue the argument. Maybe I shouldn't take your post seriously with le sad cat image, but there's a difference between
>joining hololive gives you numbers
and
>you don't need to be talented to get into hololive

>>16550264
Tell that to the holos who can only break 1.2k viewers on a good day. Rarely any SCs and their chat moves at a snails pace.
I know measuring a little over 1k viewers as unsuccessful compared to the sea of 2views seems like an unfair take, but in a company where "success" is apparently handed to you on a silver platter and they still probably have to work another job to make ends meet, it doesn't make much sense does it?
This is coming from a guy whose oshi has been stuck in viewership hell for years now when I feel she deserves much more.

>>16550618
>learned the language
Lol
Also by your logic, connor is an otaku
Going to japan to teach english doesn't make you an otaku

>>16543734
Connor was right. I don't see how his statements were controversial in any way. That's why people join Hololive, for the instant success.

>>16550618
Anon. Define otaku to me, right fucking now

>>16550618
jrap has nothing to do with otaku culture, jerome

>>16550618
>learned the language
kek

>>16550359
>Real Otaku
>Never gave JoJo a chance before because of the fandom
>Probably only started watching because of a connor recommendation
Very real otaku you got there

>>16550618
This is the stupidest post I've seen in a while.

Connor probably lied to Calli about apologizing.

>>16549687
That clip is from her Link's Awakening steam

Wait a minute why is it unlisted...

>>16550397
True. Mori literally got hired by a company that was exploding in popularity thanks to a pandemic that kept everyone home. I'll give her credit and say that she did work two jobs for a while and she still produces more content than 90% of myth and council.

>>16550689
Hololive members aren't that successful automatically and anyone before gen 4didn't have a real taste of it for a long time.

But what IS an otaku? Doesn't the word just define an obsessive fan?

>>16550683
>>16550719
>>16550736
>>16550757
>>16550765
>>16550791
you guys are totally right, the people sitting at home watching translated clips of retarded jap girls talking about whatever dumb woman bullshit in a cutesy voice are way more invested in their appreciation of japanese culture than the expat that went abroad to integrate herself into it

>>16550812
probably? Did you not watch the streamable? She definitely lied

>>16550618
Stop shitposting, it's 8:30 AM Mori.

>>16548257
I keep on hearing how Indies and Niji livers are better than Hololive but when I actually try to watch them I don't see anything outstanding. Even though they so much creative advantages like more game choices, more collabs, less restrictions and yet I haven't seen anything noteworthy which makes me feel they are much better than Hololive.

>>16550875
>nigger music
>part of japanese culture
this has got to be connor lol

>>16550875
>to integrate herself into it
RUMAOOOOO
She just sits in the expat bubble, she can't even speak Japanese.

> And guess the fuck what, ladies and gents? I'm not even spent
> I'll gladly live inside your head, but who in the fuck pays my rent?
> It ain't me, right? So whatcha gonna do about it, sucker?
> 'Cause while the sayers say the same shit, the doers fight each other
/thread

>>16550618
1. J-rap is not otaku culture
2. Bullshit mori speaks jlpt n3 at best with local slangs mixed in she picked up from her friends
3. living in japan wont make you a otaku being a otaku makes you a otaku.

>>16550875
>than the expat that went abroad
Yes, half of the expats fucking despise japan, considering she hasn't learned the language in her fucking years there, I assume she's in that half

>>16550875
I ask you again. Tell me what the fuck is an otaku. Is Chris Abroad the ultimate otaku or what the fuck?

>>16541241
>>16543734
she said it, i can post no links, but she said it, I swear it

>>16550875
LOL

>>16550886
It is more likely that Connor lied than Calli or Kiara.

>>16550968
Train otakus aren't otakus, gotcha.

Train otakus exist

>>16543734
No, this is fucking disinformation and any member can testify on that, on the music writting stream she even said she talked about connor about the ''clip'' and he showed her the full context, Mori still called him a retard who needs to work on his wording, he agreed and apologized to whole myth about it.

You fucking 2views are still butthurt about off witht heir heads, huh?

>>16550821
It isn't, you just have to look under past live streams because it's still processing and youtube's interface is dumb

>>16550875
>This is what expats actually believe.

>>16550875
>Mori
>Integrating herself into Japanese Society
Wheeze, you are not even a deadbeat if you believe that

>>16550986
>>16548303
its literally right there you retarded ESLnigger

>>16550949
Lol literally

>>16550689
Yeah sure, but under that logic then being recruited by Hololive is a highly desired opportunity, the girls that got recruited were selected over hundreds if not thousands, if it was something easy everyone should do it, there is worth in the fact that they got picked over everyone else, the instant success is a result of the trust people has in Hololive

>>16551054
He must apologize to the hololive fans.

>>16547856
Confirming what has been obvious from the very debut of that grifter whore, fuck mori, and fuck the TT influencers

>>16551028
Train otakus are train otakus, mori is a what otaku? Certainly not a japan otaku, and j-rap otakus aren't a thing if you thought they were

>>16547856
Or maybe he could've said I apologize to you and the girls to calli because he doesn't know the others? you know what common courtesy is right?

>>16551327
>personally apologize by proxy
lol

the deadbeats damage control
its a gift that keeps on giving

>>16551292
What's an okatu, anon?

>>16551434
Anon you won't like what google will tell you

>>16541241
>shits on all holomems publicly
>apologizes "in private"
kek mori is a fucking spineless beta bitch

>>16551434
if you're trying to imply that jrap otakus are a thing, i highly advise you to backpedal before you make an even bigger moron of yourself

>>16551563
You mean Connor is a spineless beta bitch.

>>16551617
both are

>>16551006
Or it could just be yet another case of Mori indulging in her foot fetish and putting her foot in her mouth again. Seriously, it's been over a year now, you should be used to her doing this by now. He apologized, she called him a retard, and she relayed that apology to the others, who didn't actually give a shit, because the only people who give a shit are dramaniggers looking for 'le final yeb'.

>>16551563
Well duh…she had to travel thousands of miles to a country of passive midget salarymen to make her rap seem decent by comparison instead of competing in the states

>>16550875
Did you get your extra large coffee early this morning, Mori?

>>16551673
She may have worded that wrongly without the intention to decieve.

I ultimately just blame Connor for just being a shit human being, and Mori having to do backflips just to damage control while also being really shit at it.
I give zero fucks for anyone in the TT circle of friends, but I don't blame mori for being friends with fellow gaijins in japan, and it's not like it's a secret she's been hanging with them in the background. If Connor wasn't a cancer of that group then this wouldn't be a thing

>>16550689
They don't just pick anyone that applies, from Gen 2 onwards you had to have some experience as an online content creator, sure getting in guarantees at least 100K+ subs, but you don't get in just being a VTweeter

>>16551691
When you put it like that it really does seem sad as fuck.

>>16551028
Otaku the word and "otaku culture" which specifically refers to anime, manga, games and the surrounding culture are in fact different.
Train otakus are otakus but you don't find them at Comiket.

>>16551535

>>16550599
I don't deny that having Hololive brand name is a buff but my issue is with how people use that as an excuse to disregard all the all the hard work hololive members has put in to come this far whether as a member in Hololive or before their days as indie.

Just look at this thread there are plenty of people who are spitting on Hololive members while propping up the Vtubers they like. When the fact is that entertainment is a subjective matter

>>16551739
The TT guys constantly give out offensive, brainless and reddit takes that usually someone who doesn't live in Japan would give the only reason they have success is momentum in the youtube algorithim snowballing for e-fame and that's it. A few ESL jap tubers have called them out but Japanese are too passive, I wish someone in Japan with some clout shat on them so at least they would stop appearing in sponsored events.

>>16550949
>I'll gladly live inside your head
Said the woman who, when on the receiving end of criticism, tells them to refund and quit her membership while lying through her teeth for ecelebs

>>16551769
>gaijin definition of "otaku culture" is the real definition of the word
ogey

>>16551892
The fuckers and their fanbase thrive on drama. They would be elated.

>>16550875
In the impossible case this is Mori, get over your ego. Connor won't pay your bills.

Mori brainlessly defends the TT fags the same way an abused wife defends her husband

>>16551739
>Mori having to do backflips
Stopped reading here. It's not mori's job and it shouldn't be her inclination to do damage control especially not against her own paying fans.

To all the people agreeing with Connor and Mori, let me ask you this.
Lets say I want to join hololive, I practice how to sing, I practice how to voice act, and I get accepted; I have never had any streaming experience but I practiced to get all those skills, can you say I did not work hard?

>>16551994
Sure it would get them views for awhile, but if Jap corpos collectively dropped them for being called toxic by a big dog and all the crunchyroll/kadokawa shit dried up it would at least kick em in the balls. The corpos just haven't had any big backlash from the Japanese fans because TT are relatively literally who but if they were dragged into drama by a big name they could definitely get blacklisted.

>>16551054
>needs to work on his wording
What exactly is there to work on? He said what he said. What other way do you phrase it? Being in Hololive is absolutely one of the reasons why these girls are successful. If it weren't why the FUCK would Mori have taken the job. Getting exposure was her reason to be there.

>>16552096
No, hololive carried you.
You'd be nothing without hololive.

>>16552019
The worst part is that not even deadbeats like them. At best they feel indifferent and try to ignore them . At least 4chan deadbeats. Maybe reddit deadbeats do like TT

>>16552096
there's thousands of other people who did the same, possibly more than you, and end up perpetual 2views

>>16551822
Ok, now answer with a straight face, do j-rap otaku exist?

>>16552179
>If it weren't why the FUCK would Mori have taken the job. Getting exposure was her reason to be there.
The implication, whenever I see this line of reasoning, is that it's somehow a bad thing to accept a job offer from HL, or any corpo.
So, what? Do you go out of your way to watch indies who audition for, get accepted to, but reject their offer from HL? Is that some sort of fucking badge of honor that makes a worthy chuuba to you?

>>16552400
Yes.

>>16552216
>Maybe reddit deadbeats do like TT
They do. The average zoomer gets knowledge about Japan and the anime industry through anituber "experts" instead of decentralized media the way otaku did 15-20 years ago.
I've watched some of their shit and half the time they don't even talk about anime. It really confounds me how anime YouTubers could be so jaded and stuck in their late 00's to mid 2010's anime bubble and still be ironic weebs.

Connor literally isn't wrong
Even the most fucking boring streamers (sorry Sana and Ina and Lui) can become successful just because they are part of a company
You don't need talent at streaming at all, and there is objectively bad Hololive members
Connor just said it in the most retarded way possible which made him come off like a bit of a dickhead, which is why everyone jumped on the 'YoU'RE SO OfFESNIVe to thE TALEnts' bullshit

>>16552400
it's not a bad thing but the brand is the reason they are as successful as they are. in a perfect world everything would be based on merit but the reality is you can be the most talented person on earth and it doesn't matter if there's only a dozen people who give a shit. corpos put your name out there and give you a fanbase

>>16552377
Yeah. Calli was one. There is also another anon who is. He posts on mori's split.

>>16552400
>Do you go out of your way to watch indies who audition for, get accepted to, but reject their offer from HL? Is that some sort of fucking badge of honor that makes a worthy chuuba to you?
Yes.

>>16552430
Okay, cool. Which streamers do you watch then? Maybe I should check out these higher-level indies.
Surely you're not making a baseless claim just to push your anti-Mori/HoloEN/Holo/corpo/[whatever the fuck your particular umbrella of hatred is] rrat

>>16552400
>Do you go out of your way to watch indies who audition for, get accepted to, but reject their offer from HL? Is that some sort of fucking badge of honor that makes a worthy chuuba to you?
Yes.

>>16552364
That’s like complaining about people starting a company and only 1 out of the 1000 becoming successful. Is not that the person doesn’t have skill (which I understand is what Connor implies) is that everyone has skills but that 1 person was smarter.

>>16552488
if everything was based on merit then nijisanji and vshojo would've been bankrupt by now

>>16552585
But she's not indie

>>16552517
>>16552585
>Examples:
>

>>16552156
Kadokawa has done some terrible shit and they couldn't care less. TT being with them is the perfect harmony.

>>16552585
>posting a different corpo when anon asked for an indie
hahahahaha holy shit

>>16552585
>Intentionally ignoring the greater point of my post >>16552400
>it's somehow a bad thing to accept a job offer from HL, or any corpo.
So, what? Do you go out of your way to watch indies who audition for, get accepted to, but reject their offer from any corpo*? Is that some sort of fucking badge of honor that makes a worthy chuuba to you?

Is this the fart thread?

>>16552600
By merit, Connor should be panhandling on the streets of Mumbai.

>>16552596
Auditions and job interviews in every industry are 90% bullshit and based on luck and nebulous shit. It's not being smart, it's getting lucky or having connections.

>>16552718
god i fucking wish

>>16552489
No anon, that isn't how it works, there are no j-rock otaku or jazz otaku, there are otaku for idols that might do those genres but they're idol otakus, not music genre otakus

>>16552745
>moving goalposts
Why are mori antis so desparate

>>16552489
you don't have otakus for music genres
also otaku is not a term of endearment, it's pretty offensive

vtuber fans are probably the most spiteful degenerates on the internet full of hate and total failures in life so I cheer for literally every vtuber's success because it means they drain these scum's money and also make them seethe irrationally 24/7.

>>16552740
Same as getting a dream job when everybody has the same uni title, you can’t do shit about it and complaining makes you sound like an asshole.

>>16552794
Because they were so excited she wouldn't call on Amelia's birthday and shat their pants when she actually did, they are desperate, please play along and say kys so they can feel special once in a while, i'm begging you.

>>16552824
You must be one of those sweethearts that says ''all men are rapists'', delightful.

>>16552794
Anon you started this fucking otaku definition autism in the first place, what were you even trying to accomplish?

>>16552718
A suitable fate for the eternal Anglo

I'm gonna be honest, I have Mori fatigue at this point

>>16551739
Just don't bring them up in your streams, it's not that hard. Keep that shit private.

>>16551732
That's what I mean. People are hanging on to this 'personally' part, completely ignoring that Mori is well known for being laughably poor with words.

>>16550875
By your logic if I move to Japan I'll immediately be a bigger otaku than a 2000 pounds neckbeard who watched every anime in existence so long as he remains outside of Japan.

>>16553173
my entire point was that it's retarded to call someone like that an "ironic weeb" with an aversion to japanese culture and media when she's more immersed in it than anyone here but of course retards can only argue semantics

>>16550689
That's like saying getting into Harvard is a ticket to instant success.
I mean sure, but get into Harvard first.
And just like with Harvard, there are indeed nepotism hires who legit shouldn't be there.

>>16553108
Mori is a thin skinned dipshit, so she's incapable of it. Imagine if Gura had a horrid fetish that wasn't "cute" like feet, and she brought it up regularly even though it made things awkward for her coworkers and fans. Nobody would want that shit, but when you double down on things simply for the purpose of being obstinate, it makes you look like a stubborn child.

Otaku in English means anime fans, in japanese means nerd, I think.

>>16552682
Accepting a job offer by Holo is going to be generally bad at this point because the people that do will mostly do it for the money first. There's also the group of people that will do it because they're fans, but at this point there's few people that will try to get into Holo JUST because they are into being a vtuber or want to try to be a vtuber. What's more, partly because of that, but also because moving through companies is so rare in this medium and there's no one as big as Holo out there, it's almost guaranteed that the talents will fail to live up to the size of their audience.

Just look at Council or Mori herself.

Saying "other corpos" isn't comparable because no one has a grip on the market the way Holo does. It's a completely different situation for everyone else. Even no one in NijiEN has even a quarter of the subs anyone in HoloMyth do.

Getting in Hololive would be a mistake for anyone trying.

>>16553246
Harvard isn't a talent agency

>>16553246
Hey, cool it with the antisemitic remarks!

>>16553267
Just say you hate hololive because they're bigger than your nijis instead of masking it.

>>16553229
By your logic connor is an otaku, you have to see how retarded your argument is.

>>16553229
they can't even watch japanese tv cause they don't speak the fucking language you ape brained retard

>>16553229
>immersed
>never leaves her house

She is literally as immersed as the chucklefucks here.

>>16553353
this is literally what the whole argument boils down to except replace nijis with whatever 2view shit corpo or indie you prefer

success breeds jealousy

>>16553460
Yeah the only reason connor even said the shit that he did is he was subconsciously seething at the success of Hololive despite himself also being successful and talentless. The statement is like a reflexive feminine gossip from a retard.

>>16553366
>>16553398
the guy i replied to literally said she hates japan but keep fixating on the fucking throwaway word choice i made lol

>>16553434
Two concerts with the JP scene on 2021, a song collab with an electro swing singer and a veteran doujin music mixer, and Taka Inou last December. Watame, Suisei and Irys tea dates.

>>16553679
We don't care about J-rap.

>>16547856
>don't believe moris lies
Lol, this reminded me of the last time i saw Mori blatantly lying to Kiara's face. It was painful

https://streamable.com/eknk5y

>>16553781
You not caring about a specific Japanese subculture does not change whether those count as immersion or not.

>>16553353
It's the opposite. I wouldn't want anyone in Nijisanji to get big fast the way HoloEN did. I don't hate Hololive, but I'd rather watch people who just enjoy streaming and aren't weighted down by having to suceed or imposter syndrome.

Look at all that did to Mori and Kiara. Even someone as intelligent as Botan felt impostor syndrome at some point, and that's with all Gen 5 went through. One of the best things about Nijisanji is that there's no pressure for everyone to be exceedingly successful and if the benefit the talents get from being in the company is thanks to natural, personal and unforced networking.

>>16547856
That's a pretty harsh reaction from mori assuming that supa wasn't attacking her, what did it say?

>>16553573
She loves japan so much despite the fact that she hasn't learned the language in years. Just like the rest of TT, I'm sure they love japan too

>>16554079
Something along the lines of "I really enjoyed your JoJo twitter space but don't you think you shouldn't associate with Connor seeing as he thinks Hololive are talentless, it kinda makes you look like you agree with him"
Was $100 dollars too, and she said she hopes he gets a refund and cancels his membership

>>16549975
So does Korone. Your argument is invalid.

>>16554158
>Just like the rest of TT, I'm sure they love japan too
Last I saw one of their shit podcasts, they spent half the time complaining about Japan.
Isn't that what they do most of the time when not shilling Bookwalker novels?

>>16553855
Anon. Lets shit on her all we want but in that clip she is clearly taking the piss

>>16554211
Based, too bad he didn't word it a bit more diplomatically and she would have had no out to it.

>>16554243
Yeah, expats that don't learn the language are always the first to complain about Japan's culture

>>16543734
that isn't even what he said, but it's STILL true even when you try to misrepresent their position. take your meds.

>>16554243
He was being sarcastic.

>>16554352
They all worked harder than Connor.

>>16554211
wow that guy that gave her $100 really owned her hard

>>16554355
I know, I was sarcastically providing some context. For an anime podcast, everything I've seen those retards do is either consumerism, complain about something, or shilling.

>>16554415
by what metric? and why does it matter?

>>16554416
He was probably a richfag. So yeah.

>>16554211
anyone this retarded probably deserves to throw away their money like this.

>>16554440
>anime podcast
>consumerism, complain about something, or shilling
Sounds on-brand, what's the problem?

>>16554478
>By what metric
Every metric except maybe a couple council members who don't stream
>Why does it matter
because the illiterate anglo retard spewed some shit out of his mouth saying it mattered in the first place?

>>16554211
ah, yeah, I guess that is kinda poorly worded. Still though, I would've figured $100 and being a member would cut you some slack, especially when it was a valid concern. I haven't watched her since the tt video a few months ago, but she was on a solid incline last time I watched, so it'd still be sad to see that she's "reverting".

>>16554416
Mori "I'm not owned, I'm not owned!" Calliope

>>16550689
Connor IS right. BUT. Mori is wrong for continuing to associate with him despite that.
Fact is, in context, what he said was very much intended as a disparaging remark against hololive talents, who Mori has a responsibility to defend since she'd still be washing dishes in the back of a shady ramen shop to make ends meet if it was't for hoilolive

>>16554478
By the metric that Connor is a talentless, unfunny leech. Who has not had to do real work a day in his life. Again, if it depended on merit he should be begging on the streets.

>>16554599
>>16554497
Only on this board can people think ponying up $100 to make a petty snipe is cool instead of insanely pathetic.

>>16554533
This is why anime will be dead by the end of the next decade

>>16554549
i think you have failed to comprehend the question. what work? and why does it matter if anyone in hololive "worked harder" than him?

>>16554613
rent free. people like you genuinely do not know what "merit" means. (hint: it doesn't mean "i like them")

>>16553855
I like the misunderstanding at the end.
>You don't believe me do you?
She says this while truly believing a King cover by Kiara exists and she intends to listen to it later.

>>16554605
She would have made it without Hololive. Don't be fucking naive she is very talented.

>>16554416
$105 actually considering he would have to buy membership
What a retard lmao

>>16554334
No wonder they get along with mori so well

>>16554700
>She would have made it without Hololive.
lol
lmao

>>16554700
Mori would not be anywhere near this popular or successful especially not this quickly without hololive and I say this as a Mori defender.

>>16554684
anime has been dead for the better part of the last decade. if you think anything coming out now is "in danger" of being lost you are too young to have any idea what you're talking about. if you think anime of the caliber we currently have will "disappear" in some capacity anytime soon, you are actually hopeless.

>>16554700
Nigger she was trying to make music for years and was getting nowhere. No she would not have made it without hololive. There is absolutely NO indication of the opposite.

>>16554700
>Don't be fucking naive she is very talented.
lmao
lol

>>16554677
It clearly hit a nerve and hard. Are you poor or something or do you think she is poor so she she thinks she won since he gave her money?

>>16554735
She was beginning to make good money. She said so herself.

>>16554700
>She would have made it without Hololive.
Literally nobody cares about obscure nigga inspired ching ching reformulated white girl rap, people care about cute funny anime girl says the fuck word

>>16554782
$100 is almost a full day of work for me, but giving someone money for the fucking privilege of trying to take a shot at owning them is pathetic no matter who you are.

>>16554693
>What work
Most of the holos can sing, they put on a character which is on a base level more arduous then being a on camera grifter, they actually have variety in their content day to day and must be creative under the restraints compared to just using your algo blessed numbers to leech interview whatever person is rising in the e-celeb faggot sphere.

>Why does it matter if they worked harder than him

Because he himself called them all talentless for presumably no reason except his own fart sniffing believing he was somehow better than them? The guy just doesn't have any redeeming qualities, leeches, and says retarded shit so people who associate him look bad.

>>16554749
>>16554771
>>16554772
She would be doing alright as an independent streamer thanks to her musical talent and charisma. Stop being in denial.

>>16554808
Anon she was still working 2 jobs before hololive

>>16554808
of course she said so
wouldnt you say so too if you just spend half a decade trying to become a musician and no one listened to your shit until you became a pink grim reaper lady on youtube?
her songs got like 2k views over a year at best,

>>16554677
A hundred bucks to make the anime girl on the screen pissy seems like it could be a worthy investment

>>16554880
There is an ocean of independent streamers with loads of musical talent and charisma that are going nowhere fast.

>>16547856
I actually listen and enjoy to mori's music regularly, this kinda makes me feel a lil disgusted. What do /vt/?

>>16554880
yet she worked 2 jobs, neither of which had anything to do with streaming
curious, isn't it?

>>16554871
being a grifter is when you make money and i don't like you

>>16554880
Just like all her more charming and talented contemporaries like Milky, right?
It's almost cute how naive your world view is.

>>16554895
>>16554897
She was already dabbing in streaming and she would have shone in that pursuit.

>>16554808
Oh please. That's yet another one of her copes. She was living in terrible conditions and needed money from her family to survive there.

>>16554749
>>16554772
Nigger she literally said herself that she at the point where she could do it full time prior to hololive
This idea of her being some two-bit literally who that would've never made it is unironically just cope from anti-mori hololive ""fans"""

>>16554871
>he himself called them all talentless
So, are you actually unaware of what was said or are you just pretending not to know so you can be more mad?

>>16554960
Milky is not more talented or charismatic than Mori. Clear as day, only an Anti would think otherwise.

>>16555018
>She was living in terrible conditions and needed money from her family to survive there.
Literally just writing fanfiction about someone you hate lmao

>>16554871
being a grifter is when you use a webcam instead of a live2d avatar

>>16555018
Source: your ass

This video has Mori's response and apparently the stuff Conner said. https://youtu.be/MXh0xBaItcc

>>16554973
Anon there's barely an utaite scene in the west, no fucking way she would have been fine since she couldn't stream in japanese

>>16555047
It's insanely naive to think anyone in the entertainment industry can make it from talent alone. I believe she could have gone full time with streaming but she would not have been able to live a fraction as comfortably as she is under Hololive.

>Mori is confirmed awake right now in Japan
Get the fuck out of this thread Mori

>>16555047
of course she would say that
she was working 2 dead-end jobs and her musical career was going nowhere
no one would want to admit that, especially when you only found success after becoming a hololive vtuber

watame was bigger than calli yet she never had near enough money from her youtube gig

>>16555072
milky is more charming and charismatic than mori by a factor of ten, simply by the virtue of not being her lol

>>16555183
She was close to doing music full time though. You are wrong.

I don't believe the SCer was trying to take a shot at her. He just wanted it to be read so that she would address his genuine concerns about associating with someone he doesn't like. That's my guess.

But she won't change her mind over that because Mori cares far more about feeding her clout hunger than defending her comrades in arms. She is 2nd to Ayame in having the least loyalty and connection to her coworkers.

>>16554871
being a grifter is when you're popular and you make friends with other popular people

>>16555238
nigger her songs had 2k views get the fuck out of here
you're on some fantasy land kool-aid right there

>>16555194
Ok Anti.

>>16554973
Do you even remember debut Mori? The one who had to get Ame on call to fix her set-up several times? The one who showed up to streams and collabs half-asleep? Mori would not have gotten far as an indie without the other four supporting her.

>>16555194
Oh, Mori agrees. That's why she keeps shilling her. Now if you truly believe that, subscribe to these.
https://www.twitch.tv/milkyqueen_idol
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2c8dQYdDadn7tmK_d7o-HQ

>>16554677
lol I have spend more money for quick chuckle online than that, and maybe this guy wasn't a troll but a concernfag so throwing $100 for some peace of mind seems rather cheap, unless you are poorfag.

>>16555060
>"Getting into Hololive is a free ticket to success regardless of talent"

The only reason to make this statement is to imply there is one or more person there who does not have talent relative to their success.

>>16554955
>>16555134
>>16555302

E-celebs including vtubers exploit lonely retards/children to give them money, the "uwu im paying for content" is cope and most of the money they receive is a parasitism on the emotional states of the donators. They are popular because of the general failings of technological society. You are seething because deep down you know their is no value to the whole endeavor besides papering over problems in a warped psyche.

>>16555238
>She was close to doing music full time
Just 2 more weeks to popularize ironic jrap

>>16555309
It would just take longer. Calli does not give up.

>>16555183
>she was working 2 dead-end jobs
1 one of jobs were apart of her music career retardchama
> musical career was going nowhere
Millions of views is "going nowhere" to you? lmao
You retards are impossible to talk to because you'd rather ignore reality in favor of jerking off to fanfic about her being a literal who when that's not the case

>>16555357
being a grifter is when you make money because society

>>16554265
Mori is not that fucking clever and incapable of being subtle. Its real because if it was a joke, she would have come clean about it being a joke at the end. But she never does. Link me any instance of her telling a joke this subtle

>>16555357
i'm just letting you know that you don't know what the word grifter means

>>16548257
If i felt the need to optimize my animoo entertainment i'd just watch whatever Satoshi Kon directed, or anything Sugita participated. Chuubas are good exactly cause they are amateur entertainers, street buskers of the internets.

>>16555398
she absofuckinglutely didn't have millions of views on her shit before hololive

>>16555417
>>16555472
You're just letting us know you are seething mad, making several posts and desperately upset over either your own profession or that of some e-celeb you had a warped, cult like love towards.

>>16550875
ina?!

>>16555309
>The one who had to get Ame on call to fix her set-up several times?
That was Kiara
>The one who showed up to streams and collabs half-asleep?
Literally everyone in EN except Ina has done this
Ame just straight up overslept an entire collab once near debut lmao

>>16555369
Dude, she admitted that without Hololive she would had to have head back to the states in a year. That would have shot her music career right in the lung and without that she doesn't have anything to stand out from the tens of thousands of hungry 2views.

>>16555499
>she absofuckinglutely didn't have millions of views on her shit before hololive
Ogey

>>16555567
She can stream and create music from the states. She would have been back in no time

>>16555541
That doesn't disprove what I said. Both Ame and Mori have said Ame was literally helping all of Myth getting setups and streams right behind the scenes. So without a network of help to get really started and a dire living situation breathing down her neck you believe she would have shot off like a rocket and get say just 1k viewers per stream.

It really is a retarded argument.
>The winner of America's got Talent is only successful due to it's popularity

As >>16555357 says too, it suggests an attack against one or more talents.
It screams of jealousy and if he did apologise he's a snake since he clearly still believes it.

Mori defending that does annoy me, stick up for your peers.

>>16555723
She would have made good money though.

>>16555357
Not incorrect. That's why you must enter this hobby with full awareness of this fact and regularly check yourself from going any too far. Sure, vtubers and fun and can fill any emotional void, but self-interest is king and financial freedom are one of the sure ways to ensure that autonomy.

>>16555510
no matter how hard you want it, saying the person you're responding to is mad doesn't automatically make it true. it's funnier to make fun of you across three posts than it is to type the same sentence three times in one post. i didn't know who cdawgva was until 2021 when people here would mald about him and i looked into their content. they're just A Guy and schizoids self-report here every time they talk about him so it's a constant source of entertainment.

connorposting is genuinely some of this board's best content because headcases of varying severity bite every time, sometimes for hours.

it's probably for the best if Holo does not associate with TT. they seem like a potential PR nightmare in the future. lots of other options for collabs out there

>>16551096
>The most clip-chimpped video that rivals most political ads...
The only one who does not understand English is you.

>>16555422
I like that misunderstanding at the end.
>You don't believe me, do you?
She says, as she fully intends to later watch the King cover she believes actually exists. She "knows" Kiara knows she didn't see it yet, and clever Mori thinks Kiara is in on the same joke.

>>16555845
You are a illiterate femoid, or a drama obsessed child, whatever the case posting small sentences waiting for the post timer to count down and doing this multiple time indicates some sort of warped heightened emotional state towards the affair. You also just admitted to being a retarded newfag which is typical but that doesn't even need to be said cause no body who was breathing on the old internet has love for e-celebs. Has it crossed your mind, that ultimately, I don't care about hololive, or e-celebs or what have you sincerely but making treatises about nyanners and mori and watching the replies is pretty fun and entertaining.

>>16547856
Kiara was talking about collab, not about trash taste people never have any contact with her at all
https://youtu.be/8Flzv4pZUak?t=5h14m53s

>>16543734
He said that over a year ago and has subsequently backed off on that position. This rrat is stale as fuck

>>16550618
>working in japan makes you an otaku
that's the most retarded take i've seen in weeks

>>16555647
Anon did you forget the coof? Also she would still need someone to hire her for the visa, and that's basically impossible in the music industry

>>16556084
as we all know if you use /vt/ but didn't watch cdawgva prior to its existence, you are new. you must be a big fan.

>>16555609
Retard...the video got most of those views after she joined hololive

>>16555609
Bro she had 2 hits, and it was because of her animations. Check her dozens of other videos not even making it to 6 digits

>>16556093
Holy shit
That completely changes the context, what a disingenuous edit

>>16556130
He never did, that's literally the whole problem, and it doesn't matter if he apologized to Mori in private because what he said included all the members, not just myth

>>16556093
Thank you based source bro.
Clipfags deserve the rope.

>>16556289
No, he said it publicly on stream, months ago now. It's a non-story but I appreciate your enthusiasm.

>>16547856
Schizo clippers like you deserve the rope.
Purposefully clipped in such a way to remove the real context and substitute one that didnt exist.

>>16556361
Feel free to post a clip of it, otherwise it's just bullshit

>>16556192
>the video got most of those views after she joined hololive
What a huge cope, it's not even her most recent video either lol
>>16556198
Lmao this is a weird goalpost move, you gone from
>"She's would've never made it and is it talentless!"
to
>"S-she only got popular because of her talents!!"

>>16548257
did you fucking read my tweet-longer? I'm saying connor was right fucking dumbass
I was not defending holo, I'm saying, that holo is just a brand and it's up to the vtuber if they want to do something to stand out amongst others
>Your statement is bullshit cuz just being on hololive is literally free 200k subs for existing
I'm talking how they wouldn't even get 100k if they're an indie
>>16547484
read properly dumbass

>>16548885
he talked about it during the episode before en was even announced
they have a 3-6 week buffer for their uploads

>>16556500
You're making up a strawman retard, I'm not denying her talents, but being talented doesn't mean you'll make it big, specially in her niche as fuck j-rap

>>16555144
Lmao it got clipped? don't people normally hate when this gets done with member streams?

>>16556500
>it's not even her most recent video either lol
You know her most recent vids were really unpopular before hololive right? She had 2 million view hits, nothing else

>>16556205
That has always been the case. The 5% meme is also the case.

>>16556629
>but being talented doesn't mean you'll make it big, specially in her niche as fuck j-rap
"Big" is relative retard
If you trying to compare her to mainstream rappers then yeah no shit she wasn't going to that level
But being able to draw in 1+ million viewers as an indie artist in such niche genre is both enough to feed yourself and as big as you could hope to get, and that's all that really matters at the end of the day

>>16557008
Now this is actually changing the goalposts anon, the whole point was that mori as an indie wasn't goint to get a fraction of the popularity or the money that she's getting in hololive. Also once again, she only got 2 hits, and they didn't particularly buff her next releases

>>16545742
>>16543734
I mean, that's how the entire entertainment industry works.
well I wouldn't say regardless of talent, you do need to meet a minimum threshold to be able to be noticed but once you're there it's 99% luck whether you're picked up by some agency and given a real shot (or the algorithm these days).

>>16557202
No shit. But antis were saying she would be a nobody without Holo and that is false.

>>16557202
>Now this is actually changing the goalposts anon, the whole point was that mori as an indie wasn't goint to get a fraction of the popularity or the money that she's getting in hololive.
Nigga it's not goalpost move at all, she effectively had to abandon as it was picking up steam
Obviously holo helped her get bigger but she wasn't a fucking nobody and she certainly wasn't going nowhere
>Also once again, she only got 2 hits
You also keep saying "only 2 hits" when she has several 1+ million view songs and has been featured in 10+ million views projects

>>16557582
>she effectively had to abandon as it was picking up steam
Anon her last fuckign videos were below six digits before hololive, one of her big hits was one full fucking year before hololive, how the fuck is that picking up steam?
>when she has several 1+ million view songs and has been featured in 10+ million views projects
Is this a falseflag to make deadbeats look even more retarded?

>>16557008
The whole point is she wasn't able to draw enough audience to support herself financially from her youtube/songs.
Youtube basically pays you near nothing for any video under 5 minutes.

She was literally barely hanging on financially while doing multiple temp/part time jobs on top of the income from her pre-holo youtube content.

>>16557659
Fakebeat.

>>16557661
Not true. She was getting into streaming and could make enougj as a stremer

>>16557771
Anon fucking pomu can't make enough to live comfortably as a streamer, unless your standards are living on instant noodles on a cardboard box (which mori was doing to be fair) no way you're living fine by streaming. And also she still needed to work, you need a company to sponsor your visa to live in japan

>>16557659
>Anon her last fuckign videos were below six digits before hololive
I see you've reached the point were you just start lying
> how the fuck is that picking up steam?
>"What is consistency?"
>Is this a falseflag to make deadbeats look even more retarded?
Retardchama if you're going to talk about the roommate could you at least fucking look up what projects they've been involved in?
Yes retard, shit she's been apart of has between 5-25 millions views

>>16556643
they do but it's ok when it's to shit on Mori

>>16557661
>The whole point is she wasn't able to draw enough audience to support herself financially from her youtube/songs.
>Youtube basically pays you near nothing for any video under 5 minutes.
HOLY FUCK she has LITERALY said HERSELF that she was nearing a point where she could do it FULLTIME
I do not give a fuck about your theories or hypothesis. I trust the fucking words coming out her mouth 100000x more than I some literally who on 4chan speculating

>>16553460
Just like the hololive stans being jealous of the success of Mori and the Trash Taste boys. Connor was spitting facts and got all you bitches crying lul.

>>16557771
No, just no.
She made a grand total of ~1k in supers in 4 months.

>>16558060
Go ahead and link where she said that.

>>16558134
>Go ahead and link where she said that.
I can't remember the exact stream, iirc it was around November of 2020
Go ask some deadbeat who keeps better track of those thing

>>16558226
Nigger she was talking about doing HOLOLIVE streaming full time.

>>16557956
For one, those projects were not big because of her and those projects didn't make her big either. Her involvement in them is irrelevant since they were not on her channel.
For the first point, you're bullshitting, you can feel free to try to prove yourself if you have pics but the first thing everyone was looking for when she debuted was her previous channel, and everything but her 2 hits were either in the 100k range or below