/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I don't waste my time studying useless languages only spoken in one third world. Imagine wasting your time learning Japanese instead of a skill that's actually valuable to society.

I’m starting next week I swear.

>>16505206
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY RECOMMENDEDS YOU DEMON WITCH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>16505206
当然

I have begun doing my reps

I don't even know English.

>>16505587
Tu ne parles pas Anglais?

>>16505206
What happened to her again? Did she die?

>>16505206
Heard a rrat that she still lives, is there anything to it?

come back to us cure dolly you very crazy doll

>>16505206
I want to but I don't know where to start

Yes but I'm skipping kanji.
I'll be able to understand my oshi before you kanjikeks
How does it feel?

>>16505262
So why are you here?

Laziness holds me back. There's also the thought of not actually being able to use it outside of watching chuubas.
>decide to continue learning Japanese
>2-3 days after, laziness kicks in
>waste a week or two before deciding to continue again
>repeat

>>16505262
imagine worrying about being useful to society when you could be a coding bro watching raw anime.

>>16505875
>learn the first ~300 kanji
>learn up to N4 grammar
>then learn kanji up to N1
>go back to grammar
This is the way

>>16505875
that you'll only ever get a fuzzy understanding of conversational jp and if they ever go more in depth with anything you'll be totally lost like ollie

She told me to just watch a kids show to improve my listening skills and apparently I can undetstand most of an episode of Pokémon. Thanks cure dolly.

How good is Duolingo?

>>16506091
duolingo is complete shit.

oreno nihongo kanpeki, demo omaera ha baka eop soredake

>>16505829
Learn hiragana and katakana so that you can write them from memory. Download anki and download core2k deck for it. Watch cure dollys videos. Consume media and do your reps.

>>16505206
I am. I bought Genki

>>16505400
I am not scared of the man who practiced 1000 Kanji once, I am scared of the man who practiced 1 Kanji 1000 times

>>16506180
Thank you Anon, I'll do my best with this advice you've given me

>>16505206
I would be, but japan refusing to let anyone enter the country is a major deterrant to even bothering to learn their language.

>>16505206
I at least mastered the basics, i'm sorry Dolly with you gone and more ENtubers i'm losing motivation, I failed you

>>16506091
It will actually make you worse than you started

>>16506560
They're giving you time to polish your nihongo, you won't make it if you start studying just when they open their borders. By that time I'll have taken your position next to your oshi

>>16506541
>>16506180
Just so you know, core2k is based on words from newspapers. So you'll learn words like "import/export" and "political party" but not anything related to anime or vtubers.

I suggest just following the jp girls on Twitter and Google translating all their tweets, I learned more that way.

>>16506541
>>16506870
If you are gonna follow that other anons advice about twitter. Download yomichan with Japanese dict so looking up kanji is just a matter of hovering over them

>>16505206
I hear that robotic konichiwa in my head all the time…

>>16505829
Check the guide on /jp/

>>16506091
Its good as something to remind you to study and keeping you on a routine, but for actual learning other stuff is better. Its like the "Make your bed" for language learning, it gets you in the motions and after you get moving its easier to keep moving.

>>16507050
yeah cure dolly even has videos about the extensions where you can easily create anki cards and she slams people just memorizing random anki "core" decks. Find vocab in the wild in your immersion and if it seems useful to learn add it to your anki otherwise wait until it comes up again. Don't just memorize newspaper kanji unless your dream goal is picking up a newspaper and reading it.

Japanese /djt/ starterpack
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org
Hentai Anki deck (it includes some basic vocab too)
https://pyonpyon.moe/hentai.html

If you want to watch her, i recommend turning on the subtitles.

>>16505400
why do you have 0 relearn?

>>16506091
It's good to get up to about N5 level, which means you'll still be useless for literally everything. Duolingo struggles to effectively teach anything more complicated than that.

>>16507384
>Hentai Anki deck
Lmao it's real

>>16507248
Not necessarily true, I learned a lot of kanji that were N2+ that I encountered in a hentai game I was playing at the time. I still didn't (don't) know a lot of compound words so I had to look them up anyway, but at least I could read them
>>16507406
I might've fucked my anki setting because after learning a word for the first time, the soonest a relearn would make it appear is 8 days, while selecting "hard" brings it up the next day. Its probably an easy fix but I cba

>>16506138
Weebs will have a easier time reading your comments than Japanese.
I see indies pull out Deepl on romaji comments all the time because they don't realize it's Japanese.
Even after they do, they slowly voice it out loud to grasp the meaning.

>>16507050
Yeah I should explain more. I didn't *just* read Twitter. I also studied textbooks and kanji. But twitter was better for teaching me the vocabulary I wanted than anki was . I'm still pretty bad though.

>>16509152
Romaji sounds useless desu

>>16511066
It's good if you wanna learn the lyrics of jap songs, at least for me

>>16505206
Who is this 2view?

Just go for it. Do it every day until it becomes a habit. The further you get the more you’ll know what you need to work on next. Realise most people giving advice about it on the internet don’t know what they’re talking about,

Currently watching japanese subtitled clips of holos and writing the subs out in word documents for grammar and vocabulary learning and review purposes. Usually, I can understand 80% of a 10-15 minute long video but it's still inconsistent depending on the topic and who is speaking [some girls speak quicker or mumble more often than others]. I hope I'll be able to understand a full non-game stream one day. Trying to keep up with anki every night and morning but there are definitely days where I skip reviews. I try not to let it add up too much though.

もちろん!

>>16506091
Green birb bad.

>>16505931
>watching raw anime
why should I bother with cringe jap voice acting when I can watch superior Italian dubs

>>16506138
>ha
Haha.

I need to leave /djt/ it has nothing to do with learning Japanese.

私は日本語学習中です

kanji is fucking gay
hurr durr memorize 15000 moon runes
nuke china and every demonic spawn language it influenced

>>16519299
One of the greatest strength of the human mind is pattern-recognition
If they filter you that much you are literally subhuman

>>16506091
Mobile app is good for learning kana when you're outside but that's pretty much it.

>>16505206
>pic related
many such cases

>>16506870
I just filter out words that seem less relevant by not repeating them as much. Things like industry or economy I'll just hit on good or easy even if I don't remember them and when they reappear later I'll reevaluate if I want to know them now or not.
What gave me back a good amount of motivation is making new cards only appear after I've seen every review for the day. It helps a lot not getting overwhelmed by new things constantly.

>>16515449
post examples

bro i didnt know her and just watched her last video.. death is something awful

>>16519377
>pattern-recognition
thats not what pattern recognition is you retard
in fact it's the very opposite of pattern recognition, you are mapping a character to word 1 to 1
there is no fucking pattern whatsoever

Too fucking difficult. Impossible when you are adult.

>>16520127
you've got no idea how kanji work.

I'm fluent in Japanese but I only watch VShojo

Nah, fuck that. I learned a few phrases just to be polite and that's enough for me.

>>16520275
ok where are the patterns
give me a concrete example

>>16520385
NTA, but
For words:
市, city
公, public
市公, municipality (public city services)

For Kanji
木 tree
林 Grove
森 forest

Literally how you learn them, do EOPs trying to learn Japanese learn them differently? Most Kanji are 3-4 combinations of simpler kanji

>>16505206
I'm not learning that shit until they abolish kanji.

>>16520127
>you are mapping a character to word 1 to 1
haachama_dont_you_know.jpg
It's worse than that, and not that bad, at the same time. It's worse, in that not only are you learning the characters, you need to learn compounds, whose pronunciations are frustratingly inconsistent. Patterns and rules do exist, but there are loads of exceptions, so a lot of it does come down to "just practice and memorize" for compounds. On the other hand, even if the characters aren't true ideograms, radicals are really useful, and the rules for onyomi and kunyomi are "good enough" to get you to about the competency of a 12 year old. Not enough to use the language professionally, but enough for consuming entertainment.

>>16520969
>three trees is a forest
holy shit brilliant

>>16521220
>trees on top of trees
I picked specifically patterns that translate well to the English language. There's some crazier shit like birds and islands

>>16521220
People toot that example but it barely happens unless you get into meme kanjis

>>16511066
Learning the kana takes 2 days and it will drill the prononciation rules

>>16520385
女 woman
姦 noisy

>>16521315
>People toot that example
I was being sarcastic if that wasn't clear

Don't forget to learn all the different pronunciations for each character!
生活(せいかつ)
生憎(あいにく)
誕生(たんじょう)
生地(きじ)
芝生(しばふ)
生意気(なまいき)
生む(うむ)
生きる(いきる)
生る(なる)
生やす(はやす)

>>16521620
Coming to Japanese after studying (traditional) Chinese was very surprising, as it does not have this problem. I still can't believe Japan managed to take a messy system and make it worse. Korea got it right and has mostly abandoned their own version of the mess. Took them a few hundred years, though, and I don't see Japan ever doing the same. They're too proud.

>>16521620
Motherfuckers talking about pronunciations as if english wasn't widely inconsistent for every word

>>16520385
no retard i mean you don't map the character to a word 1 to 1

>>16521817
Not necessarily. I think Japanese and English are both awful and see no contradiction in holding that opinion. I wouldn't even waste time trying to argue which is worse, because both are bad enough. It would be like arguing whether Leukemia or Multiple Sclerosis is worse: both are bad enough.

>>16521817
You can always at least read the english even if you don't know how to pronounce it.

>>16522335
I do not think that is a very strong claim. To the limited extent that it is true, it is also true of Japanese.

>>16522443
No, it's not also true of Japanese.

Picked up enough that I can occasionally get the gist of a sentace
Certainly not conversational
I can also read hira and kata but I only.know a half dozen or so kanji
I'm very shit with reps so I do like a week of practice then get demotivated and give up for a couple till either a good stream or an anime motivates me to learn again

>>16521754
Proud of chinese leftovers in their culture? Not sure about that one

>>16522726
You can sometimes guess the meaning of an unknown word based on its kanji even if you don't know the pronunciation. For example 火山 uses the characters for fire and mountain, so it's pretty obvious that it means volcano. Or 内乱 uses the characters for inside and rebellion, so it probably means civil war. Of course it's rarely this intuitive, but it's not like English is any better in this sense even if you know Latin and Greek etymology.

>>16523641
>Of course it's rarely this intuitive, but it's not like English is any better in this sense even if you know Latin and Greek etymology.
You're delusional.

>>16505875
Kanji is the easy part, I dunno why people are so scared of it.

>>16523827
Because having a letter for each word is retarded.

>>16523916
kanji is not a letter for a word. Kanji is a letter for a concept, idea

>>16523916
I see people are scared of it because they have a retarded misconception of what it is.

>>16524062
>>16524152
That's exactly what it is. You then assemble the letter-words together to get more words.

Kanji are the fucking bane of my existence. Without them learning japanese would be a fuckton more enjoyable instead of just a pain in the ass. Outdated concept that needs to be razed to the ground.

>>16523661
Polymer makes more intuitive sense in Japanese as 重合体
the fuck is a "mer" to a native English speaker yes I know from googling the greek what it is, but as a high school student I went through the entirety of my AP biology class never knowing (or wondering) what a "mer" is just "poly" because that's obvious, while as a Japanese middle school student every single component part of 重合体 would make sense to me

>>16524284
You should think of it as a concept because that is how the words and surnames are written.

When people read Pekoras name they dont think that her surname is literally rabbitricefield. Kanjis have so many different ways to read them that they are not letters

>>16524329
Cope

>>16515449
mamma mia! pizza pasta cazzo pistachio!
il doppiaggio italiano fa rabbrividire tranne mazinger.
by GoogleTrans.

>>16523827
Because you have to put in at least some study to come to the knowledge that Kanji are the easy part, and 99% of people sharing their opinions about Japanese online are too lazy to do that.

>>16524716
Its a shit concept that long lost its purpose. Nowadays japanese is getting filled with more and more loanwords anyway, just kill that outdated garbage off and watch everyone rejoice.

>>16505262
>skill that's actually valuable to society.
Spoken like a true cuck.

ええええぇぇ、日本語できないのか? まじでざああああこ、だめだめなおち。。おじちゃんざあああこ

>>16515449
unironically based.
I don't know why but Italian dubs are always really good for no given reason.

>>16521090
True as shit. I'm a chink who knows the language these characters come from and I still find them confusing.

>>16525215
why is zako always translated as some fish....

>>16505206
I Am interested, but honestly fuck every type of self-learning book and program, i learn the best when i am in a class with a teacher drilling the knowledge to stay in my head for as long as it takes, but it is really hard in my country to find proper Japanese classes, so for now i am on a dead end.

>>16523827
Defending Kanji as a system is retarded, seriously just think about it, to learn the current latin alphabet you only need to learn around 25 letters with some countries maybe adding a few more, and if you learn it it doesn't matter if you cannot for example read an entire sentence, you would at least be able to read each individual letter, compared that to the fucking Kanji system with a minimum of 2200 to be consider literate, that is absolutely retarded, you cannot fucking tell me a system that makes it so you have to keep learning how to read up until fucking high school is in any way good where with the latin alphabet you are already good to go after fucking Kindergarten, it is extremely inefficient

>>16525358
Because it means fish?

>>16525981
only homos cant deal with kanji

>>16526364
is slang or something? feels like it should mean something else

>>16506180
Once you get to 800 young/mature Kanji pick up Yatsubato and start reading easy Japanese news to help build up grammar from the textbooks you've read https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.eup.jpnews

>>16507176
Ignore this advice, go to /int/ for actual help.

>>16526525
It's the exact way as if you translated "small fry" in google translate 小さな稚魚, the japanese would be confused why you are talking about small recently born fish.

>>16525981
Based and latin pilled.

>>16526851
>Yatsubato
some slang is kind of confusing tbdesu

>>16527023
So like weakling?

>>16526851
>yatsubato
Yotsubato

>>16506541
Get core2.3k from anacreon's website. Core2k is really badly organized and made by a guy who has been studying japanese for over 10 years and is barely n3. Core2.3k gets rid of all the useless jargon you'll never come across and replaces it with common vocab actually relevant to weeb interests.

>>16527290
雑魚 means small fish, it's like you're calling someone a shrimp. Think of the saying "big fish in a small pond"

>>16515449
yeah but italian is a trashy language used in some shitty backwater country that serves little to no purpose, you could be useful to the society and rid us all of italians

>>16505206
I hope she's happy where she are now ;_; what a helpful grandma she was

>>16527683
Naruhodo

>>16527642
You’re being very generous to Nukemarine.

>>16513787
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkdmU8hGK4Fg3LghTVtKltQ/videos
A (now dead...) old lady who made a lot of video explaining Japanese grammar

>>16526525
能力や実力に乏しく、とるに足りない人物。

>>16525981
Kanji makes sense if JP is your first language. No shit it doesn't make sense to an anglophone retard like you.

>>16528130
Translate

>>16524382
>his teacher never broke down the meaning of every word for him
lol

>>16528130
nahone

>>16530308
>he doesn't have yomichan installed

>>16505262
>posted on /VT/
kek

>>16505206
No. I'm stupid and lazy.

>>16505206
I already learned it, the one thing this obsession helped me with

>>16525981
Kanji is easy as fuck, I only needed 6 months to learn all the jouyou ones. But I still have problems with particles now and then

I'm having problems with reading mostly because of my sheer retardness since i can't accept ambiguity and need to be 100% i actually understand what is written so it becomes too stressful and i go through pauses.
Dolly was great

i've been doing my reps every day for 2 weeks now. my current favourite word that you suddenly hear all the time once you learn it, is 多分

>>16506138
>ha
jslchama...

>>16528130
なーほーね

what deck would you recommend?

>>16524917
and you speak like an actual jobless lives with his parents at age 30 faggot

>>16505206
i will NEVER

>>16521090
>>16524912
>>16525981
Japanese will be literally fucking impossible to read if they drop kanji leaving only kana. Even worse if they switch to romaji or something. Current system is much more compact, you look at the words and immediately understand at least what they are (nouns, verbs, adjectives etc), it's like lego parts tied together with particles and shit. If you leave just kana it will be unreadable even with spaces between words, it's just not how it works, it will take ages to read a simple sentence.

>>16505206
I am studying Japanese so I can follow and understand my oshi after they graduate.

>>16505890
You seem to be under the impression that this is /jp/.

>>16534300
>>>/int/djt

>>16537620
Of course it would become fucking impossible if they drop the alphabet that the entire system is based around, that doesn't mean the system in itself is good, because it is not, it is unpractical garbage

>>16532471
>Kanji is easy as fuck
>Proceeds to quote anecdotical evidence
Even if it was easy, it is not the point, the point is that it is a system that requires for fucking teenagers in highschool to still be learning how to properly read, that is absolute retardation

>>16528839
>Kanji makes sense if JP is your first language
No it doesn't, Japanese people might find it more acceptable because it is their first language, but that doesn't suddenly make any of the flaws i mentioned to stop being an issue, Kanji as a writing and reading system is shitty and inefficient.

>>16537620
>Even worse if they switch to romaji or something
Nah, a switch to Romaji would only be bad for Japs that do not know how to read it, but when it comes to the language itself, otherwise it would be an overall improvement.

My memory is too shitty to learn it. I was using anki but eventually my days were just spending repeating words instead of leaning new ones.

Wait is it actually confirmed that cure dolly is dead? that'd be sad as hell. Honestly worse than any celeb death

>>16526898
They both have the same itazuraneko guide.

>>16539461
Her Patreon confirms it. She was an old lady (who was either British or Indian, or maybe both).

the fastest way to learn japanese is reading visual novels with textractor and making anki flashcards from what you read. use anki efficiently, try to not go over 30 minutes a day.
here you go: https://animecards.site/visualnovels/

dont forget to watch jp vtubers and anime

>>16540201
Damn this is one of the few times I've ever actually been sad over a death which is probably fucked but we're on 4chan so whatever.

>>16538505
>Kanji as a writing and reading system is shitty and inefficient.
its not for natives you are talking out of your ass

>>16540201
She was British there is plenty of information about both her real identity and various pseudonyms out there. RIP to an original lunatic.

>>16539766
Correct, but /jp/djt is shit

>>16505829
open wide
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html
https://learnjapanese.moe/
https://anacreondjt.gitlab.io/

>>16506560
Odds are they'll open 2025 at the latest
You could go from nothing to n1 in that time

>>16505206
My oshi is EN, why should i learn japanese?

>>16538505
kanji are incredibly efficient you just don't understand them retard

>>16505206

>>16505741
>she
Confirmed tranny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUKigKY0grs&t=66s

>>16527642
Is 2.3k really that different?
I remember it being mostly identical

>>16540874
is /int/djt any better? I still haven't checked it out yet

>>16541672
I heard it actually has less than 2k cards, and less cards is good because you want to move on to self-mining your cards fairly soon

>>16541672
not that anon but it doesnt really matter because you should be aiming to abandon premade decks to make your own mining deck as soon as possible anyway
i started with vncore 1250

>>16505206
The reason kanji is shit isn't because it's hard to learn.
It's not any harder to learn than a word in hiragana is.
The reason it's shit is because it takes extra time to learn it.
If you learned every Japanese word in hiragana/katakana then it might take you 2200 hours, or 550 days if you literally study 4 hours every day.
Adding in kanji would require you to learn 2 meanings for each of them, making it take at least 6600 hours, or 1650 days, or 4.5 years of studying for 4 hours every single day.
You are at least tripling the time required to learn Japanese by studying kanji. If your primary goal is to listen to or speak Japanese then learning kanji is a worthless waste of your time.

>>16541902
Do you really need a thread? Just read the website and it has everything you need. Threads are a waste of time. Spend that time watching a Japanese livestream or reading a Japanese work or looking up words on weblio or literally anything than asking retarded English speakers.

>>16541902
Last I checked there wasnt any visual novel readers there, so no.
I'm guessing you need somewhere for advice? I hate to mention discord but the moeway discord and DJT one seem reliable enough. Other than asking for advice try to avoid english though, if you need an english dopamine rush then read a khatz article here: http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/all-japanese-all-the-time-ajatt-how-to-learn-japanese-on-your-own-having-fun-and-to-fluency/

>>16534389
>have a bachelor’s
>have a job at a big4 firm
>take Japanese courses in uni while doing master’s just because it seems fun
Imagine living in a country where you have to get in debt for getting a higher education lmaoo

>>16541902
anything is better than the blogposting shithole that is /jp/ djt but thats not saying much. discussing the language with other learners is likely to teach you wrongly or reinforce bad habits anyway so i think it's best to avoid any language learning community as much as possible

>>16542277
not that anon but im laughing at you anyway for wasting your time with a uni course for japanese, enjoy never making it

>>16542140
You need one to find answers to questions that are difficult or impossible to find answers to online, such as "What is the scope of the もの ending for terms like にせもの and why doesn't it work for words like うそ?".
But good luck getting any actual answer out of the /jp/ thread.
At this point I've resigned myself to just having broken Japanese. It doesn't matter so long as the other person can understand what you're trying to say.

>>16542509
read a visual novel with a text hooker and look things up
the example you came up with doesnt even need an explanation its just something you get used to. "usomono" will simply sound wrong because youve never heard it said in your life, therefore you wont say it

>>16523827
zhangbro...

>>16542638
So is it like gendered nouns in German where there is genuinely no grammatical reason for it and it's arbitrarily assigned on a case-by-case basis?

>>16505206
Pretty good teacher. Model is a bit off-putting but you can learn some good concepts from her. Heard she was already an old woman when she started making videos so the rumors of her dying may be true.

Never thought she would get mentioned here though.

>>16542823
there probably is a reason but you dont need to know it

>>16542823
its because にせもの(偽物)is a word and うそもの isnt, simple as
no reason to even learn 物 as "the もの ending"

>>16543326
if it's anything like French it's effectively arbitrary and if you don't grow up learning it it's just going to be confusing no matter what
kind of like how English pronunciation is completely arbitrary

>>16542823
You're conflating もの as an idiom used in certain vocab words and もの as something you can attach to thing. もの is idiomatic in sense of what nouns it makes - 食べ物 and 偽者 both fall into this. There's no thought process because it's historical. You can create sentences that then attach to もの to have the sentence describe the sort of thing, so 美しいもの、感動させるもの、辛いもの、嘘であるもの. If the prior thing makes a sentence (so ends with い, a verb, or some な/である/etc copula type thing), then you can attach もの. You are not "attaching" mono to 食べ, that's an idiom, it became a word over time like 偽者 and all the other nouns of that nature and is subject to the whims of history as opposed to a grammatical object you can manipulate

I found this indie with a very accurate automatic japnese captions
It's probably great for learning jap but I'm not a fan of long streams
https://youtube.com/channel/UCsf8vvGEgsCS4bUhv49EmTA

>>16520262
Why are Americans like this

>>16543594
Tell her to create 10 minute videos and I'll watch her.

>>16544178
You're stuck with ぽんぽこ

>>16533965
No

>>16542058
You wanna source your numbers? By studying 10 new words a day you can learn all the jouyou kanji in like 7 months. Then you just keep adding vocab as you go on, or add a vocab deck halfway. I'm doing that and I'm still under 3 hours of studying a day

>>16505206
so what the fuck is she? the voice reminds me of a frail old grannie

>>16506735
That is how I initially saw it, but then 1, 2 years passed since they closed their borders, motiviation was lost and the dream of moving to Japan all but dead. By the time they open, I'm going to be fucking old and settled down.

So the only studying I'm doing now is watching streams and ocassionally looking up words/learning vocab.

>>16506091
it make you feel good, but you won't understand anything outside of it. It may be a good only as a supplemental material.

>>16505206
My name is Angela hey, hello

>>16551522
>hen 1, 2 years passed
Assuming you're starting from zero, 1-2 years are enough to get good at Japanese, but you wouldn't be fluent. Having more time helps. Obviously, the problem is what will you be doing until/when Japan opens its borders again. So long as your interest in visiting and/or working there is genuine and not a passing fancy, you'd be making preparations to move there whenever they reopen, while working where you currently live.

>>16551289
maybe she was, throughout her channel more and more of her body went through failure until she eventually passed.

Recommend me some beginner manga I can start reading once I'm at 800 mature kanji besides Yotsubato, Doraemon and Shirokuma Cafe.

>>16505206
I'm. The shift between study and reading actual material is hard.

>>16553968
Honestly just read whatever manga you like and struggle through it. That experience is more valuable.
Dictionary look up unknown kanji https://kanji.sljfaq.org/mr-old.html for paper back or use the Kaku screen recognition app if you're reading on an android phone.

>>16537731
You're wasting your time if you are posting here, regardless of any involvement in Japanese or not.

>>16505262
>one third world
nice english. also having a niche ability combined with other skills is not that bad. my friend who is a japanese translator and huge car enthusiast has a gig where he translates japanese car manuals into english for a large company. because japanese is so niche, when companies try to hire translator for specialty work like that it gets difficult and there's not much competition. it's not about the general ability, its utilizing it specifically.

I'm not gonna lie guys I like Cure Dolly and their vids are great but the voice filter they use drives me up the fucking wall and hurts my ears, is there any way i can get this information without it making my ears bleed, like holy shit

>>16554736
Mute
Use subs
Enjoy

>>16505206
頑張れ

>>16542140
I was just curious since I read /int/ sometimes and had never read that thread. I've been studying with Genki, personally

I did for a few years over a decade ago in my weeb phase and almost got to conversational level but stopped abruptly once I touched grass and had sex. Then this vtuber thing became a thing and it all came flooding back and I feel more adept now than I did a decade ago.

>>16520969
and then, teh reading

>>16543202
You never thought that a YouTuber using a virtual avatar of a Japanese girl whose content centers on teaching Japanese while staying in-character to a fictional backstory would be discussed on /vt/ - Virtual YouTubers?

>>16521817
thank god i'm not english.

>>16523590
somehow yes theyre pretty proud of that dumb mess

>>16505262
>valuable to society.

Nigger I don't give a shit about some Jew overlord society. If I wanna learn a language to understand my oshi better then that's more valuable to me than being useful cattle.

>>16515449
You make me ashamed to be descendant of italians you fucking worm, choke on pasta and die.

>>16541672
there might be different variations of core 2k floating around now but iirc the most well known one has a bunch of basic shit pretty far into the deck because its ordered based on some nonsense optimal kanji learning order

>>16553968
惡の華
のんのんびより
高木さん
basically anything with furigana

>>16554736
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpuXerkGU8waJ4DPDNJA4bGeqOvM-csXjTe57iHARHc/edit

>>16560415
>高木さん
I heard of this but wasn't sure if the person recommending it was legit or not. I'll make sure to note down the other two.

I have zero interest in Japan and their culture. I have no plans of ever visiting their country. Lastly, I'm not autistic enough to learn an entirely different language just because I want to watch jp vtubers or read hentai. So no, I'm not studying moonspeak. Ever.

>>16561431
Why are you here then?

>>16561431
That student's name? Albert Einstein.

>>16522335
>You can always at least read the english even if you don't know how to pronounce it.
You can "read" it in terms of "sounding it out", but it is fairly meaningless.
If you have never encountered the word "cerulean" before, maybe you can guess the pronunciation, but even if context doesn't help, you will have idea what it means. Maybe you remember to recognize this word "cerulean" later on? Maybe you don't? But you still don't know the meaning.

Japanese is no better in this respect, but not worse either. You might see 紺, and if the context isn't helpful you do not know what it means. You might learn to recognize 紺 but you still won't know the meaning, same as the person who does know "cerulean".

Kanji is boring
Grammar is boring and hard
I have no discipline
Kill me

>>16562373
>Kanji is boring
I disagree.
>Grammar is boring and hard
Yeah the grammar is insane.
>I have no discipline
I am sorry to hear that.
>Kill me
I do not have the right.

>>16561924
Because of Ame.

>>16562464
I thought I was the only person who found grammar the most difficult part.

>>16562710
Kanji is just memorization and im good at it
grammar I have to think and make exercises or else I dont get it

>>16562710
Kanji never bothered me for whatever reason.
I go full Cpt. Autismo and write them a hundred times, after which I tend to have the memorized decently.
Grammar, however, is a pain in the ass.

if you think grammar is the difficult part of japanese then you need to watch cure dolly's videos

>>16537620
All they have to do is put fucking spaces between words like any normal person would

>>16563105
kumo

what word is that?

>>16562997
I loved her. RIP

>>16523827
I agree, I'm a visual learner. Kanji are literally pictures

>>16537620
I mean, not LITERALLY impossible. How do you think Japanese children learn the language? I'll give you a hint, they aren't taught much kanji early on, if any.

>>16563201
Spider.

>>16564536
wrong, it was cloud

>>16564555
;_;

>>16520262
>Impossible when you are adult
wrong

>>16520262
Kiara did it are you more stupid than her?

>>16562373
>>16563105
>>16538505
>>16525981
>>16524912
すももももももももものうち

>>16564804
Not him, but Kiara is trilingual, and she became trilingual at a young age without living extensively in two of the three languages she learned. She may be "le dumb bird", but she's actually pretty gifted in languages.
That being said, you can do it too anon.

>>16565032
shes not gifted anyone would learn quickly from streaming for hours a day to native speakers

>>16520262
Not impossible but very hard to find the time you're fine with wasting on it.
Having a 9-5 job really does suck the life out of you.
Honestly I've been wanting to quit for months now but considering I have a year of rent saved up at most and the job climate is likely to just get worse in the next year I just can't rationally convince myself that it's safe to do.

>>16565450
>the job climate is likely to just get worse in the next year
What country and industry are you in? So many companies are desperate to hire right now in a bunch of countries.

>>16525981
You don't know what you are talking about, both are good in their own way.
Latin alphabet may only have 25 letters, but because of it the thousands of words a languague has are nothing but random permutations of them that you have to completely memorize.
That's why I could take some weird advanced word you don't know about of you language and while you may be able to read it, you won't have any idea of what it means.
Take japanese for example and once you learn what the 2000 kanji represent you have have a lot of the work done as words a lot of the time are either that kanji alone, or the result of pairing one kanji with another one.
In japanese one could guess pretty decently the meaning of any sentence without ever having studied a word provided they know kanji and grammar.

>>16565032
it's a million times easier to become bi / trilingual when you're young literally because of physical shit in your brain

>ITT: I don't speak this language but let me tell you why it's inherently flawed and useless

No language is useless if you want it for a specific reason. For example, if you want to be a humanitarian aid specialist or doctor, learning ugandan might be perfect for you because you will probably get placed in Africa.

>>16568932
In many cases even, learning a language you're interested in raises your chances of being able to be placed/transfered in that country through your work. (cue the China steel worker anon story)

>>16566380
That's a great bit of trivia but it's used exclusively as a zoomerian crab in the bucket cope for not learning another language.

>>16569183
Do you mean the post where the anon started with DO NOT LEARN MANDARIN

>>16570716
Yeah lol

>>16505206
I learned the kana + some basic vocab and kanji, but I just don't enjoy studying it and know I won't get much use out of it besides the one JP vtuber I watch who has multiple dedicated live subbers. I picked up drawing instead.

絵を描ける方が良い

>>16521371
The kanji for "noisy" is the kanji for "rape"

>>16505262
>valuable to society

What a faggot, wants to contribute to le society directed by jews

>>16506870
Is google translation reliable enough for learning ?

>>16570683
Indeed it is. On a certain level it's actually easier to learn a second language as an adult since you have a better handle on abstract concepts than you would as a child (i.e. you are less stupid), but people say this without considering that the real obstacle for an adult hoping to learn a language is time. Some of us have jobs. If you're a neet and aren't trying to learn you must not want it that badly

>>16568164

Actually curie dolly would explain why western conceptions of certain aspects of Japanese are fundamentally flawed. Such as the video explaining the の particle.

>>16521371
>>16572996
>死姦
It's a meme kanji anyway, I've only seen it once and it was in the word above

>>16534389
And while that anon takes in his last breath he'll remember doing things that he wanted to do like embrace the warmth of his oshi's streams and not spending it chasing after other people's expectations

>>16572996
>16572996
I believe that wicked is much better translation when it comes to woman.

>>16574488
I have a new video to watch

Nobody mentioned it because it's not a beginner's problem but kunyomi words about similar concepts tend to ressemble each others
嗜む 親しむ
羨ましい 恨めしい
It be tricky sometimes

>>16577757
Translate

>>16579618
See
>>16532070

>>16572882
This

I'm on 104 days and I'm at 404 mature cards

I'm getting close to 2 years, with only 14 missed days
My indie oshi never outright called me a foreigner but she probably thinks I'm mentally retarded if she hasn't realized I'm not Japanese
I'll never be Japanese

>>16588413
based

>>16542404
i wouldn't do the same but if it was just for fun then that's pretty based on my book kek

>>16574339
no, use yomichan to hover over words you dont know and deepl for longer phrases

>>16588413
You actually type in chat? You might aswell be retarded.

>>16591552
not every chuubas chat is a cesspool holobrony

>>16588413
>he types in chat
based

>>16591552
>>16591599
I mean what's the point of watching a 2view if you're not going to type?
I must also be sending a quarter of the marshmallows she gets, she sometimes read them during zatsudans when she runs out of topics
I'm not a groomer, I don't think I am a groomer

>>16505206
No, because I am based EOP

>>16591789
whos your oshi anon

>>16505206
So fucking weird learning that she's actually an old English woman that leads a quasi-feminist spanking cult and faked her own death on her AI roleplay Japanese teacher channel...

>>16593142
ヒ・ミ・ツ
But I recommend you check the Jap indie thread, I even post her there sometimes
>>16535727

>>16564987
李も桃も桃の内

>>16554736
i downloaded a browser extension called transpose that lets me pitch shift audio. just drop it down a little bit and speed it up slightly and she sounds more normal

>>16596257
explain in detail

>>16610880
I disagree with that anon, all evidence seems to point to her being actually dead. But she had an interesting history online to say the least.

She was involved with some kind of weird feminine-god cult which was comprised of S&M lesbians primarily, hence all the references to spanking. The UK has had a long history of radical feminist movements that were largely made up of lesbians, this is just one of the weirder strains. In particular she was involved with Aristasia which is kind of hard to explain. It's like an esoteric society of make-believe lesbians. A sort of proto-tumblr thing where people believed they could channel ideals of a fictional feminine society as if it were real. I don't fully get it myself.

Her interest in Japanese culture seems to stem at least in part with anime and moeshit as being a kind of divine feminine ideal. She was fixated with precure in particular and ran an online community centered on it for years. None of this invalidates her work on the Japanese language, which is all top notch. But if you ever wondered why she insisted on such a bizarre presentation with the curedolly thing, well it's because she was a fucking weirdo.

This video is a dead ringer for her voice, just without the weird android filter. https://vimeo.com/103027216?embedded=true&source=video_title&owner=31019644

This was the website she was heavily involved with which allegedly had ties to the BNP back in the 80's, when they were a more overt neonazi party.
http://www.mother-god.com/

>>16615147
that definitely does sound like her lmao

honestly not surprised to find out she's weird as hell but yeah that doesn't change the work she did for helping people learn japanese.

I honestly figured she was just going to be trans or some flavor of trans.

>>16505931
>coding
get a man's job

>>16615423
well, i have some news for you anon
https://youtu.be/PUKigKY0grs?t=66

>>16616124
That's her alright. idk if she was trans, maybe just a bit homely.

>>16615147
holy shit wtf, I just thought she was weird, didn't know she was a full blown schizo.

I'm very surprisingly convinced that this is her. Reversing the process of making cure dolly sound normal with the transpose extension makes this video sound exactly like cure dolly.

anyone other alts I should know about?

anyone have actual definitive proof that she died?

>>16616822
No definitive proof. But she was extremely involved with the curedolly project up until a day or two before she died on the patreon and her website. She was very prolific, seemingly never getting tired of all her weird projects. I guess it's possible that she faked her own death in order to stop working on it, but an extremely elderly woman dying after months of medical problems seems more likely. I don't see any reason to disbelieve that. We're never going to see an obituary since she preferred to remain as anonymous as possible so that's probably the end of that.

>>16616124
how the fuck do you find this shit

>>16506091
Only good for learning kana and then Nihonoari (on f-droid) is better for that purpose

>>16617558
I'm surprised anyone found either of those videos and connected them to cure dolly when they have such a low number of viewers. It's too big of a coincidence. My guess is that is that an insider who knew cure dolly personally must have initially told someone about this after she died. It still can't be very widespread knowledge or more people would have seen it.

>>16617558
because i'm her boyfriend

>>16617900
It doesn't have to be that deep I think. Internet autism is surprisingly powerful. Just consider the board we're on, vtubers have been doxxed based on like the reflection of a spoon in a cooking video. Curedolly's connection to Atlantis and Aristasia and weirdos like Miss Martindale is actually pretty easy. One of her books is published on their website. https://sundaughterpress.com/

There's a kiwifarm post where some autist speculates that she was Miss Martindale but she sounds nothing like her. If you keep investigating that connection though you'll eventually find the Silver Sisterhood, which Martindale was a leader of at one point. Curedolly's super distinctive way of speaking makes her simple to recognize.

>>16617900
This was known before she died
Internet autists are just really good at finding things somehow

well no matter how weird she was she knew the JP language well

Crazy to think she spent some of her last time in life answering questions to random weebs in youtube comment sections though. That's some serious dedication

>>16565032
Kiara isn't particularly gifted in languages. In difference to 99% of people learning japanese she did it to actually talk to japanese people and did her reps daily. Thats her "secret".

i failed u cure dolly i just have refreshed vt all night isntead of doing immersion.

>>16505206
RIP

>>16629024
>actually working hard to achieve goals instead of just whining about how hard it is on the internet
Hmmm...I don't see how this could possibly help

I didn't even know she was sick...

>>16632358
if this >>16616124 is actually her in the video, which I think is very possible based on distinctive voice and speech patterns, she would have been elderly now as the video was apparently taken in 1982. Makes sense for her to have died.

>>16616124
damn maybe she was trans. im putting on my phrenology cap here but that's a male forehead/brow and nose i'd wager, and that voice reminds me of a lot of trans people who aren't very good at a female voice yet. it would explain her shyness at being shot head-on in that video and also her insistence on using an avatar and voice changers for all her online work.

but this is in bad taste. rip in piece dolly-sensei. arigatou gozaimasu.

>>16505206
Why would i? I don't appeciate those nazis

>>16634719
I just assumed she was trans because it's 2022 and she had this insistence on an avatar and voice changing software and I just know some trans people that do the same stuff.

Being super old and having a weird past could also be an explanation for doing those things as well.

Either case yeah thanks a ton and R I P cure dolly

>>16616124
>>16615147
as much as bizzarre these all are, i guess you really cant learn japanese without being a bit off in the head. this just makes me wanna watch her lessons more.

>>16505206
Honestly surprised I didn't hear about Dolly before I started learning, especially considering her approach is really good

>>16615147
oh shit

>>16616124
Holy crap that is amazing. Agree with >>16620074. Someone's skills in an academic domain can and should be decoupled from their identity, political shit, cultural shit, so it does nothing to my appreciation of her approach to teaching of Japanese. RIP you wonderful android.

Also dat hammered dulcimer music.
Really an underrated instrument.

>>16639685
I think whether they can be decoupled depends on whether or not that shit bleeds into someone's work. In Cure Dolly's case, the only agenda I can see is wanting people to understand Japanese. That isn't always the case with everyone. Some people love making propaganda and that cannot be decoupled so easily.

>>16505734
yeah, i think cancer. she announced she was taking a break to get treated, and 6 months later they announced her death