/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Why do (You) want to be a vtuber, anon?

>>16339252
People tipically post links here for critique, go ahead anon

>>16353929
To increase my chances of marrying my oshi

I recently started streaming after drawing my model and learning how to rig it, I’m open to any questions about that process and my short experience so far— I’m also wondering what viewers of indies seek out in their streamers, what sets them apart in your minds?

I have a rape fetish with Tomoko

bump

Why does it say I'm banned...

>>16359513
It tells you you're banned and shows you that the "ban" was years ago, right? Happens to me too every once in a while, idk what causes it

>>16359513
>>16359568
based drooling retardposters

>>16359568
Yeah, last time it said I was banned in like 2014 or something
And then it happened again just now but the ban was from December


I just wanted to ask if anyone had upcoming plans to stream this weekend :'(

>>16353929
I'm looking for a hobbie

Which game is/will be your first game to play as vtuber?

>>16360275
I think I played Valorant, to test out my set up, and then a co-op simulator game with friends

Is it a bad idea to choose a niche, old game to start out?

>>16360537
the only thing that matters is if you can make it entertaining
please sit down and think about why people would want to spend their limited time watching you

>>16353929
I think I would be good at it and be able to entertain people with my personality and hobbies. I like retro games and divination, two things that seem to be decently popular with the vtuber audience. I have a clear baritone speaking voice and I'm not half bad at singing. If I can continue to toot my own horn, I'm consistently one of the funnier people in the room at social gatherings.
I said to myself nearly word for word years ago that I would stream "if it were suddenly socially acceptable to do so behind an avatar", and here we are.

With holo auditions being permanently open, how would things work? If they find someone they potentially like, would they email them and put them on hold for months on end until they can form a full gen? Or do they set that person's application aside and see if they reapply again after X months?

>>16360537
I think you can choose a game you most into as a start(maybe more than one game if first game is a short one).

>>16360537
It's been working fine for me. Niche titles often have dedicated communities and those viewers will tune into a vtuber even if they aren't typically vtuber viewers.

>interested in this
>can't even hold a conversation with people 1 on 1
guh

>>16360952
Presumably it goes something like this
>get a torrent of unfiltered applications
>Throw away the outright shit ones
>from the remaining applications put the ones that seem like they'd be a decent pick into a folder
>once cover decides to get a new generation going and has made all the prep work like making the models, they look through the decent folder and choose an assortment of people they think might fit.
>conduct a series of interviews
>let people know if they're in or not
So I'm assuming they wouldn't contact you until something's in the works and they've chosen you as a candidate.
Wouldn't make much sense to tell you they've marked you down as "maybe one day".

>>16360901
I should add that I also want this: >>16354113

Does Twitch let you see who holds your Founders badges? The subscriber export only shows current subs, not any that have lapsed.

https://veado.tube/en/terms/

b r u h

>>16363312
Thank god i went with a VRoid then

>>16363105
No, they're only counted as "Founders" when they're subbed, so you can't see any unsubbed founders.

>>16363312
still a pretty good app, no reason not to use it considering its free. i've consumed products by worse people before and its never impacted me

>>16363312
Just use Gazo Tuber for PNGtubing instead.

>>16363312
>being this triggered over some words on a free to use app

>>16364270
I agree, you're all very sensitive

>>16363312
That is goofy as hell but certainly not a dealbreaker for free software. They could have just used the GPL and postured a little less, but I understand why they feel the need to be that way about it. Identity politics are funny.

>>16353929
Because I have some talent and I like to perform, but am too chicken shit to audition for traditional voice acting.

>>16353929
Streaming is fun and discovering vtubers gave me some courage to go further with it

>>16353929
I want to improve my speaking ability and some of my favorite game series really need more attention. Also having a potential second source of income would be good too.

I’m still not a VTuber yet though, not until at least half a year from now

>>16353929
I want to get better at art, music and games and vtubing gives me the external motivation to do so

>>16354852
Are you still here anon?
What software did you use to make your rig and stuff? How did you make your assets?

Did silent Dota2 anon ever come back and respond to the comments or did he just drop them and run off as if it would get him viewers?

>>16360275
Nioh, I’ll be sure to post a link here when I eventually do too

>>16373568
I assume the guy probably read everyone tearing into him and ran off

>>16373466
nta but probably Live2D. Basically the main program everyone uses.

>>16373568
>>16373684
He's streaming right now to 3 people and he's already a bit more lively than before.

>>16373568
wandering dotard here
link?

>>16374699
>>16337328

>>16373466
Yeah Live2D Cubism. The paid version is kind of necessary to do anything fancy and nice.

>>16374743
Thanks.
Man, streaming dota is harsh.
I think the only guy that made it as a streamer without being high level or a well-known veteran of the game was Bradley Dragon but his is more of a comedy stream; I doubt he'd be half as successful if he wasn't as weird and gross-looking as he is, not something you'd want to replicate for yourself imo.

Out of curiosity, are song parodies cringe?

>>16375012
its one of the things with streaming competitive games in general, viewers coming in have higher expectations to get wowed by you whether it's for being very skilled in general, or you can make something unusual or normally bad work very well, all while giving capable insight

>>16374743
>28 views
What the fuck he's inclining hard.

>>16375326
This guy just died as a Huskar to a tidehunter in a fight he picked that was obvious from the start he was not going to win so he's not THAT good. He did the shitters cope and blamed it on his support.

>>16375419
>28 views
>/asp/ has 28 posters
/asp/ies.......................................

>>16375482
if he keeps it up he can probably become a pioneer in a dota livestreamer fails compilation

>>16375695
>pioneer in a dota livestreamer fails compilation
That's Bradley Dragon's kingdom, and he's a dominant dragon.

everything I hear about MOBAs makes them sound like the opposite of a good time

>>16375770
you're completely right, i quit dota the moment i realized it was unhealthy for my mental state

>>16375695
Is the market for a DSP chuuba untapped? just blame everything and everyone except yourself for your bad decisions.
>>16375770
It's a weird thing with MOBA games. They're fucking bad, you know they're bad, you're not even having fun but you somehow just keep playing and can't stop. They fuck with your brain in some way I just can't describe.
I have over 2k hours in DOTA 2 and I hated every single moment.

>>16375483
If this streamer comes lurking later, he should know that he needs to talk more. I feel like I'm watching paint dry here.

>>16375891
The thing with mobas is that, even though people like to pretend they're dumbed down RTS games where you only control 1 unit, you still need ridiculous amounts of focus and awareness to play. It's extremely hard to focus on the game and still find random bullshit to talk about or even read the chat.
Hopefully he can at least try to start doing his talk reps, although I'm sure his MMR will suffer.

>>16375770
500 hours spent on Smite, would not recommend. Competitive games in general are incredibly stressful, double so for MOBAs.

>>16353929
sex with oishis.

>>16375770
>highly competitive
>huge benefits for being in the top 0.001% of players
>stone nothing for everybody else
>cooperative
>one good player can’t always carry
>requires 5 people, very rare to stack a full party of people you know
>comms heavy, but mostly played with strangers
>games take forever so one loss is a lot of wasted time
They’re basically designed from the ground up to engender bad feelings. If you told me League of Legends was an unironic plot by Satan himself to corrupt people I’d believe you.
They are quite fun if you’re in a group of 5 people who know each other with comparable skill and investment levels, though. Which is how they get you.

>>16375201
I think they’re cute

>>16375855
>I have over 2k hours in DOTA 2 and I hated every single moment.
To stream dota I bet you have to be the selfish toxic douche to get viewers. And be consistant with personal KDA rather than wins.

>>16375482
>he's not THAT good
bro hes a crusader

>>16376887
>To stream dota I bet you have to be the selfish toxic douche to get viewers.
If you're taking LoL for reference, dota 2 is somehow way less toxic than LoL.
The only ones that are impossible to play with and want to micro-manage you from the picking screen are per*vians but nobody willingly plays with them.

Though this worked for Mason but he was a pro player before.

>And be consistant with personal KDA rather than wins.
Why so? I don't watch all that many streamers and my main roles are support and offlane so KDA is irrelevant for me.

>>16377226
gaaaaaaaaaa

heres a voiceclip of me being dumb

https://voca.ro/1d5W2CjGjgXj

How do I turn myself into a female vtuber?

>>16377929
>>>/soc/msa

I asked before but it was pretty late into the thread's life.
Why should I play Stardew Valley over other similar games like Graveyard Keeper or Pokemon Wilds? The brand recognition?

>>16378571
there really isn't a reason, stardew is a popular game of choice because its easy for a lot of people to talk over and its pretty to treat it as background noise for a zatsudan since its not very high commitment, similar to minecraft
play what's easiest for you to be entertaining

>>16378571
>The brand recognition?
yes

>>16378045
You don't. You will not pass.

>>16375201
Do I like them personally? Not really. Can they do numbers? Totally, ask Nyanners.
>>16378045
Google sissy hypno and thank me later
>>16378571
Pretty much. Though if there’s a dedicated community for those games you’re apart of you can probably be a big fish in those ponds.

>>16379083
Do I need to use Google? I think /gif/ has such a thread.

>>16378764
But is Stardew itself a draw or any game with similar gameplay will do?

>>16378765
Shit. I assume that means picking an alternative will be a slight debuff then.

>>16379083
>dedicated community
I'm sort of an internet hermit so I haven't been a part of any community.
I'm fucked, am I?

>>16379083
Stardew is one of my go-to games for 2view dumpster diving, if it means anything

>>16379599
Sadly, it means that a game I wanted to avoid at all costs would help me grow when I start.

don't stream games you don't enjoy playing

>>16379948
>>16380074
Why do you have a crusade against Stardew anyways anon?

>>16380074
This
People can tell when you're forcing yourself to play a game. Streaming a game you don't want to is the ultimate debuff.

>>16380141
the gay marriage
looks comfy otherwise

>>16380367
don't play it.

>>16380367
>spoiler
Just, don't? It's entirely optional

>>16380367
do you have any idea what kind of audience and viewerbase you will attract playing that game?

>>16380634
It's still in. As that other anon said, people can tell when you don't enjoy a game and that will be at the back of my head the entire time.

I just won't play it as the other anons said.
A pity because it seemed like the most braindead way to get known provided I can effectively portray a personality on stream.

>>16380367
man you dumb as hell lol

Uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh, did we just make the dota guy incline?

>>16380814
Understandable, Stardew is not the only buff game in existance though

>>16380965
check in a month. zlyphie "inclined" for a day when /asp/ies checked him out from sheer morbid curiosity.

>>16380978
Is there a list of those?
I've been trying to make a list of games according to the criteria I got from a video.

>>16381015
>zlyphie
lmao
Do you have that twitter thread with the voiceover chubba clowning on him? I lost it.

>>16380918
I'm just tired of this shit being peddled everywhere.
Not on MY stream.

>>16381382
>not on MY stream
dumb. as. hell.

People in my house keep being loud when I try to stream

>>16381382
Nothing is being peddled, mucj like real life no one is forcing you to date the same sex in Stardew

>>16381080
If there was a list it would quickly be obsolete because everyone would only play those, closest you could get is a list of criteria similar to the video you watched

>>16381080
A list of what? Games that are easy to chat during? Anything that's not too mentally intensive and doesn't require much attention to the actual game. Minecraft, Stardew, various simulator games.

The poster from yesterday is either getting botted or is botting because his viewership is 100% artificial, there was no incline.

>>16381799
How can you tell that?

>>16381750
>A list of what? Games that are easy to chat during?
No, no, I meant booster games in general.
I think I can manage making most games I usually play easy to talk/chat over; I've never been a capital Y gamer so I don't play intensely difficult games very often.

>>16381799
>botted
He has been on brb for a while now so it wouldn't surprise if most viewers just left after that.

>>16381914
None of his viewers follow him or anyone else(not including the catbots) and his chart is super sporadic. He suddenly gets random influxes of viewers that aren't actually raided in or anything. I doubt he's botting but something's weird.

>>16381962
25+ viewers with one chatter isn't normal and I checked before he went AFK.

>>16382039
>>16382004
Was it all just us /asp/ies?
Now I feel bad.

>>16381962
>I meant booster games in general.
These don't exist. You may get new viewers if you play some brand new game that just came out and have randoms who go out of their way to check out smaller streamers. But "booster games" don't exist. If they did everyone would be playing them.

>>16382049
No, unless you're all empty accounts that have no PFP and don't follow anyone. He's had his numbers do this fairly frequently, even before posting here. They're not even raids, just random big influxes of viewers.

>>16382039
Well, if most of his viewers for today were people from this place who know nothing about dota and were just watching to see what he was doing wrong as a streamer but not as a dota player then it's not that weird.

>>16382147
I think I meant buff. Man, I'm dumb today.

>>16382218
>just random big influxes of viewers.
Huh. Weird, I had no idea.

>>16382276
>I think I meant buff.
These don't exist. Stop looking for them.

>>16382276
There's no "buff games" or "debuff games", just good and bad streamers.

>>16353929
I'm autistic and lonely. I don't know how to connect to people. I've never had a boyfriend, held hands, had a kiss... hugged anyone that wasn't a family member.
when i was younger (12ish yrs) I catfished using an image of a beautiful fashion model for a while and that filled a hole in my heart with attention i'd never get in real life. the perfect image distracted from my retardness and people actually put up with me.
I could be anyone. It helped me escape my shitty life. but I hurt people who were really nice that didn't deserve it so I stopped. I shut myself out from contact with other people since then for the past decade.
when I found out about vtubing it reminded of those days, i could use the perfect image, but this time without hurting anyone. I can hide the real me and connect to people without them getting too close to me.

>>16382877
>I could save her...

>>16382877
Is it saviorfag o'clock already?

>>16382877
Hope things get better for you anon

>>16382961
I unironically could

>>16382961
>>16383069
>>16383474
>doesn't understand that you cannot save those who refuse to save themselves
all you're doing is funding and enabling their menhera more.

>>16382877
>when I found out about vtubing it reminded of those days, i could use the perfect image, but this time without hurting anyone. I can hide the real me and connect to people without them getting too close to me.
Be careful, though.
Pippa's rrats just provoked a multi-thread meltdown on /pcg/, and though I wouldn't say it was all her fault she wasn't clear enough about the kind of person she was to people that really hate it when people aren't clear about that sort of thing.
Best of luck, anon.

>>16383519
I know. I was actually joking with my post because I find saviorfags ridiculous, hence the green text.

>>16382877
You can save yourself, anon. It's never too late to put yourself out there, learn new skills and meet new people. You're capable of it. You'll get further and further away from being 12 years old as time moves on.

>>16383661
which rrats? I watch her occasionally but I haven't been keeping up with her too much

>>16384071
Check the last two /pcg/ threads, preferably in the archives, I don't want to bring that here.

>>16382877
A lot of good and popular vtubers are like you but they found friends because of doing vtubing as a hobby, good luck anon in your vtuber endeavors!

>>16383356
thank you. I appreciate it.
>>16383519
this is true. I have to be the one.
>>16383661
thank you for the advice. I have nothing to lose, worst case I will just go back to being myself. but for now I want to indulge in this fantasy.
>>16383714
thank you for the advice. I haven't wasted the past 10 years. I had a lot of free time and combined with existential dread that makes me feel worthless unless I do something valuable with my time I built a lot of different skills. one them actually being teaching myself english :) and I'm glad I did. I haven't put myself out there, but I want to return to school to finish high school. I dropped out with 15.
>>16384879
thank you! I've met some nice vtubers but I just can't let my guard down. my viewers are the only ones I care about. they gain nothing talking to me.

>>16386456
What's your native language? Are you streaming already?

>>16378571
The recognition is more that people know what to expect like >>16378764 said, it's not about the game itself being recognizable per se, its the expected experience most streamers will deliver playing it.

>>16386456
Just try to be honest.
You never know how important you are to the people beyond your screen.

>>16353929
I want to do something with my life and maybe make friends.

>>16378070
whats that

>>16353929
English speaking reps. Not many other opportunities to do it in Eastern Europe, you know.

>>16375201
Here's a rather popular one, shame the original video was nuked.
https://youtu.be/iI7Vr4o4nCs

>Kaneko lumi averaged 10-15 viewers in her pl
>Went corpo, new equipment and assets all paid for
>Now hit partner and steadily inclining
>Alchemilla Menace averaged 20-40 average viewers in her pl
>Went corpo, all high quality assets paid for
>10k on yt within the first two months of debuting
I average 40-60 usually and can pander as much as Lumi and Menace. I wish my schedule allowed me to stream regularly so I could join a corpo and go all out

>>16393477
I do hope the best for you mystery chuuba

>>16360537
Its honestly better than became another apex or minecraft streamer. no new viewer will be interested to check on it except you have something interesting plan to do in game

>>16394175
Minecraft is one of the easiest games to build a huge community because it's purely zatsudan.

>>16363312
Is this for real ? Even the best ironic poster wont be able top this lol

>>16394267
yes it's real. got a problem?

>>16353339
Why do you want to become a vtuber?

>>16395033
literally the first post of the thread anon

>>16353929
I‘m an art streamer already so I‘m just ‘upgrading’ my voice with an avatar for better chat interactions I guess.

>>16390076
the place you should fuck off too

>>16395033
I've always wanted to work creatively, but I have a neurological disorder that makes me clumsy and ungainly, which makes my art suffer, and an auto0immune disease which leaves me rather unsightly. A face for radio, I suppose. Being an anime person online lets me pretend.

>>16394900
If you know the creator please tell him to at least erase this part, it just too goofy

I want to make my model pretty fashionable and not just “generic casual clothing that I would wear at home”
So with that… what are some good footwear? I’m overal design is a bit of sci-fi/cyberpunk and techwear, but honestly I sometimes have trouble choosing specific references to make the design at least slightly “realistic” while keeping with the aforementioned themes.

>>16397291
sneakers are always pretty versatile if you can find the right inspirations for them
something I kept in mind designing my own model is that nobody's gonna see the shoes 99% of the time though

>>16393477
Well it's a lot of luck involved.
If you can average 40-60 people who regularly tune in you're not exactly uncharismatic, I reckon there's no reason why it couldn't happen.
>I wish my schedule allowed me to stream regularly so I could join a corpo and go all out
Wouldn't it be the other way around? once you join a corpo you could build your schedule around it.
No point in operating like you make a living off of it if you're not.

>>16398118
I’ve actually been thinking mostly of hi-top sneakers…my design has some slight exaggerated forms to the body so a pair of good old beefy shoes (if I can pull it off) contrasting weigh the thin legs would look good I think.

>>16398788
No more asymmetric legwear please.
But yeah, bulky sneakers would look really good with that body shape.

>>16398788
As long as you don't go full Sora from Kingdom Hearts with the leg-to-shoe ratio, it'll work out. Big shoes on skinny characters is actually something you'll see around in certain artists when they do cutesy artstyles.
>>16399114
my legwear is symmetrical if that gives you some peace, though my sneakers are just plain white with the puke shoelaces since I don't really know what I can do with them that'll actually add to the design

>>16399114
What’s wrong with asymmetrical legwear/bodystockings?

>>16399254
Forgot me image

>>16399254
It's absurdly overused and rarely ever looks good to begin with.

>>16399254
They're just overdone, a massive majority of L2D indies have them at this point. They can look good if the artist really tries but its just a lazy way of adding detail that's almost never going to be seen on streams

>>16399254
As someone who really likes legs, it unfortunately fails to appeal to either people that enjoy zr, or people that prefer bare legs.

>>16399311
>>16399346
>>16398788
I’ve been trying to figure out a good way to have a short jumpsuit/bodysuit without having the legs too bare but still having some visible skin. What do you suggest then?

>>16399799
Zettai Ryouiki is the universal choice for men and women alike, don’t let anyone tell you different.

>>16399799
What's your theme? Would you prefer something cute or something sexy, or a compromise between both?

>>16400240
The theme is a kind of sci-fi/space theme with a little bit of techwear sprinkled in. The character is male, by the way, if that makes any difference whatsoever.

>>16400375
Also I’d like to try and make things a little cute I suppose.

>>16400375
>The character is male
Well I was going to suggest barefoot, but...

>>16400719
Are you scared, anon?

>>16401243
No, I just don't like m*le feet, so I'm not gonna jerk over them

>>16401323
Weakling.

>>16393477
Cyberlive accepts adopting indies and making them corpo as long as you're good enough. Maybe you can try contacting Misaki of cyberlive and asking about it. It never hurts to try!

Is watching mostly 2views a bad thing if you're looking to grow? I've heard people say you should imitate the type of stream you enjoy but everyone i enjoy watching is a 2view

Is it just me or is mic quality more important for a chuuba?
There's something really disconnected about looking at a model or png that's crisp and clear and hearing a staticy voice coming from a headset mic, it breaks my immersion so to speak.

>>16399254
Literally nothing

I found an artist that I like on vtuber.gg and have DM'd them on twitter and e-mailed them but haven't heard anything back yet. I've now DM'd them on discord; hopefully I'll get a response from there. aaaaaa

>>16403671
Nah there's a guy I raided that sounded like his moc was echoing in an attic that had a 100 more followers than me

>>16399346
>>16399311
>a massive majority of L2D indies have them at this point
You mean a massive majority of VTubers have them. Even in corporations, it's an extremely common thing and I think people just like to nitpick it as "bad design" when it looks fine. At least 1/3rd of all Holos girls have them, so clearly they're good enough to be considered good by those standards.

>>16393477
create a groomcord to start grooming your fans and have discordsex with them like they do in lumicord

>>16405125
God I wish a chuuba (female) would groom me

>>16405106
>it's popular so it's good
Guess despacito is the best song ever written too.
But seriously, people underestimate how much area legs take, they are roughly half of the body. When you do asymmetric stockings, that's a very sizeable portion of the design you're throwing off balance and thus asking for your attention due to how coloring and constrast works, it particularly affects designs that would benefit from top heavy features while letting the legs be an area where the eyes can rest. Instead you are splitting the points of focus and that obviously weakens designs. Also, proper ZR is just sexier, it's how it is.

>>16405891
>Guess despacito is the best song ever written too.
I think that title belongs to Babyshark

Is there an easy way to change your user profile name without having to reinstall Windows? I don't want to accidentally expose my real name to the world should that ever appear accidentally in a stream.

>>16406771
Just make a new profile.

>>16406771
You can create a new windows user with a different name.
Or alternatively you can unlink your Windows account from your computer user completely and use whatever name you want on your current profile.

>>16406771
I think the best practice is to never stream your full desktop, just game windows directly from OBS. If you need to stream something more personal like a web browser just install an alternative browser (Firefox if you use Chrome for example) and stream that window.
There are certain games though that use your name linked in your Microsoft account like Forza Horizon 5 so be careful with that. If you're really paranoid about your opsec you may want to make a brand new Steam account and only buy the games you stream.

>>16406795
>>16406827
I should have specified I meant the user folder name. It's literally the only thing that can expose me.

>>16407024
Solution: don't open C:/Users on stream. What do you even need there while going live?

>>16407096
It's just paranoia mate, I know it likely won't show but there's the minor chance it would. Also some Emulator I played on the other day exposed that route after saving.

>>16407225
Again, create a new profile, and it would display C:/Users/Chuubaname instead of C:/Users/Fred.

I went dumpster diving on Twitch and so many VTubers in the 10-30 viewer range barely talk or react to anything (I stayed in the stream for 2-3 minutes). How the fuck are they getting viewers? I've seen more talkative people in the 5 viewer range.

>>16407591
Idk I've seen people with 40-70 viewers sit around and not say a word for long stretches. It probably has something to do with their connections at that point.

live

/asp/ies are cute! Cute!

/asp/ies stay the fuck away from /wvt/ and the trashcan. Stop getting involved with them. They are not your friends and do not want you to succeed. Once you have a design, sketch or png get out of here and start streaming. Mysterypost or vague post but do not get involved with 4chan retards.

>>16410997
Fuck you, let me groom them.

>>16410997
>4chan retards
But, anon, I AM a 4chan retard.

>>16405891
>it's popular so it's good
>it's popular within the niche I'm streaming in, so there's really no problem with replicating it when the only person who has an issue with it is just upset he can't jack off to it

Most you won't even show your full model, why does it matter what socks you have on?

>>16413774
because aspies love wasting time worrying about things that dont matter

>>16413774
>>16413824

>Most you won't even show your full model
By this logic no chuuba even needs a bottom half, or anything under the bust. I exclusively watch indies and I see most of their full models multiple times a week.

I get the "Stop prepping and stream" mentality but there's such a thing as taking it too far especially when you're rushing people through character creation so hard that you're telling them to stop at the chest.

>>16413928
>By this logic no chuuba even needs a bottom half, or anything under the bust.
Yes.
Save money. Get started. You can think about a full body redesign in the future.

>>16413985
you can make a joke out of this too if you get a community; you can have people make up their own ideas of what your lower body looks like

>>16413985
That's just excessive, like I said. Create a full character but don't try and make it perfect from the start is a much better strategy.

>>16414206
Any aspie that wastes an extra day thinking about how high their socks should be or what trinkets should go on their feet is an aspie who is procrastinating yet another day when they could get started. They'll find out real quick that it doesn't matter in the end once they start.

>>16414282
Which is why I said "don't try and make it perfect from the start." I'm not speaking in favor of spending "days" working on socks, just that you should have a full design.

>>16413031
Dude I gave you and in depth explanation as to why it doesn't look good but if you're not willing to present a counterargument just do what you want.

the lower half of my design is infinitely better than the top half and I hate it

>>16414829
Your detailed explanation on why you subjectively dislike it doesn't mean much when so many popular chuubas have have asymmetrical bottom halves. It's not like it guarantees success, it just really doesn't matter and doesn't seem to look as bad as you think it does. Have whatever socks you want.

>>16414860
have you considered making a feet channel point redeem where your model flips upsidedown and you stream as a pair of feet? come on aspies get creative why are you all so fucking bad at this?

>>16414860
Show it

I want to just finish my model design and then draw a PNG to slap in OBS so then I can just start streaming.

>>16415178
>feet
why wont you disgusting niggers die out already

>>16415376
I want to see more /asp/ies stream. Even a mspaint doodle will do

>>16415178
Footfags deserve the rope, but channel points are severely underrated among 2views in my opinion. They're like the second most important currency you can get only behind real money. It's TIME people actually spent watching your content. If you only have a bunch of lame ass canned sound effects and highlight my message you're missing out.
Yoro has a lot of good and fun point redeems in case anyone wants to check them out.
Just throwing some general advice out there.

>>16415548
Am I really a bad noodle if I don't want to stream until my commissioned avatar is finished? My thinking is that I wouldn't really want to watcha streamer with a PNG myself so I don't want to stream until I actually have a rigged avatar

>>16415548
I actually got this idea to try drawing a couple different versions of my characters design, and make one of those cut out-style animations that has slight jitter in the lines because I would redraw the same picture twice or three times or so and it would just be a loopable transparent video.

>>16415802
I want to watch you though. Don't you want some practice for once you have the real thing?

>>16415802
yes. you should be streaming right now.
your stream reps have nothing to do your model.
> I wouldn't really want to watcha streamer with a PNG myself
you're taking the OP advice out of context. starting your stream reps isn't for viewers. its for you. you need to learn how to be entertaining and speak clearly on stream. both have nothing to do with your model.

the "would you watch someone do x" advice is for content questions not your model or png. things like the schizo who comes in every other week asking if viewers would watch someone be bad at instruments for months.

>>16415548
there's a lot of /asp/ies who stream though; have you watched any of them?

is half body commission good enough? I found an artist/rigger who's willing to do that quickly and cheaply enough for me.

>>16416359
yes

>>16416305
Yes! There are four in particular I cycle through a lot. I still have a lot of dead hours though.

if I want comprehensive review of my channel / content, am I better posting here for discussions or /wvt/ ?

>>16416944
Honestly neither, but if you absolutely must ask 4chan you're better off asking here.

>>16416123
>>16416246
I get that. If it helps my case at all, I'm fortunate enough to have a job that allows me as much time to talk to myself as I could possibly want and I've been taking full advantage of it. I quit smoking (needed to anyways since I'm an asthmatic) and I've been babying my throat by drinking lots of hot water and cutting on my coffee consumption. I suppose if you guys would genuinely watch my stuff and I won't run the risk of being a /here/tuber by plugging myself in /asp/, then I'll try to have something watchable in the next week or two for you guys.
I'm setting myself up to get roasted here, but I have a lot of confidence in my ability to make the streams entertaining. I'm just getting hung up on providing what I would want to see myself, I guess.

>>16417005

Thanks for the honest response

>>16416944
/wvt/ will get you more eyes and actual viewers.
I don't know why it's demonized here.

>>16417769
see >>16410997
the "viewers" from /wvt/ aren't the viewers you want or the ones that help you grow.

>>16417769
The issue here is he asked for advice and opinions, not viewers. If you shill your 0views channel in /wvt/ you're just going to be called a retard and that's it.

>>16417870
I meant they would get the opinion of people that actually watch streams instead of a vtuber circlejerk.

If I were to put some Easter eggs into my model’s design or costume, what would be one that wouldn’t draw too much attention but make someone go “Are they…? Nah.”
In either a general sense, or hell, with /asp/ies.

>>16417937
>get the opinion of people that actually watch streams
wrong. you would get the opinion on 40 schizos which really bad taste who shitpost day in and day out about the same handful of thread favorites and no one else. the latest data posting in the trashcan revealed that viewers are incestuously shared back and forth between /wvt/ chuubas and none of them ever grow. now some viewerfag is going to reply with a 2 year old pic of Nina because he wants to show that he doesn't have bad taste.

>>16417980
The term you're looking for is "dogwhistle" and why do you want to do this?

>>16418091
And? He's looking for opinions, not long time viewers. /wvt/ only has so many people so everything you said seems perfectly reasonable considering the situation.

>>16415642
Devin Nash said channel points are worthless

>>16417840
>>16417870
>>16418091

I appreciate the responses I've received. I guess I'll just post here. I understand that the content I put doesn't catch any eyes. It's a very normie gaming channel. But I was wondering if the editing was "passable" for someone to watch and enjoy.

And am I shooting myself in the foot if I don't embrace social media such as twitter? I understand that the YT algorithm is brutal. And it seems like networking is the way to go if I can't produce god perfect videos.

Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE8H_e_951zHWciykV1N8wQ

>>16418399
Devin Nash is speaking on high tier levels of thought like a streamer's company and brand. of course channel points mean nothing once you hit those numbers. his advice are great but only once you've hit at least partner numbers. before that, none of what he says will apply to you because you don't even have the fundamentals down.

i'm NOT saying that partner is some magical threshold that if you cross everything magically gets easier. it's just a good and objective indicator that you've got the basics down right enough to see growth and hold onto that growth.

I lost the top ranges of my falsetto I can't make high enough pitched noises to be poggers

>>16418091
>none of them ever grow
but they have been. Sigrid and Bird, Mint, and Coqui off the top of my head. Not sure who exactly was used as the sample for that or if it even exists, but plenty of chuubas popular on /wvt/ have grown.

>>16418134
Honestly just to have extra stuff to add in more detail as a crutch for my inability to decide or something and implement it and move the fuck on.

>>16418401
>And am I shooting myself in the foot if I don't embrace social media such as twitter?
Yes

>I understand that the YT algorithm is brutal.
Yes

>And it seems like networking is the way to go if I can't produce god perfect videos.
Yes.

Do you not have a Twitch?

>>16418871
>Sigrid and Bird, Mint, and Coqui off the top of my head.
they don't selfpost regularly. showing up once or twice to shitpost is different than posting links every time they go live then coming back to thank viewers.

look at selfposters like Sloth, Vel, Bodega, Callie and males like Elliott, PhantomMariachi, Egg and Nanase. all of them self post and all of them stagnate. worst of them like Odette stopped streaming entirely.

>>16419043
isn't bloom still growing just really slowly

>>16419043
They're still chuubas that have /wvt/ viewers though, and who inclined after being posted there.

>>16418401
The editing is good, and it's cute. However I feel like it needs something to put it over the edge. I think one of the things is that the avatar is not all that expressive and so there's a disconnect between what he should be expressing and what is being said.

>m*le cutesty chuuba
who do you honestly think is going to watch you?
Is your target audience gays?

>>16418401
your editing is good, keep doing your best man I believe in ya, you're a lot more high quality than people I see in the 1view section

>>16419185
he's been declining since debut and barely keeping his numbers up by doing constant singing collabs. his Doom streams show his average viewers and they have been stagnating since the beginning.
>>16419331
see, this is why viewers are so fucking retarded. the pov of this thread is for chuubas. saying "look some chuubas grow and have /wvt/viewers" is retarded. they grew in spite of viewerfags like you. they grew because they did not spend hours of their days selfposting in the trashcan trying to pander and gain approval of 40 year old neckbeards.

>>16420259
I'm not a viewer. Just to use Mint as an example since she's the most recent case, she grew specifically because she was posted to /wvt/. Your point was that no chuubas posted there outgrow it, which really isn't correct. She's got next to zero presence outside of her Twitch, which means a majority (if not all) her viewers come via word of mouth or direct links from /wvt/.

>>16419742
Why wouldn't people watch him regardless of his character (which is fine) if his content is good? He seems like he's on the right path, just needs to expand past Youtube.

>>16420636
But his content isn't good

>>16420636
>she grew specifically because she was posted to /wvt/.
hi Vtubers R Us. please neck yourself and stop trying to take credit for other chuubas growth.

>>16420660
No one's content is "good" starting out but it's perfectly fine for how new he is. It's significantly better than any /asp/ie content I've seen posted here before just because it's edited down content and not a 6 hour VOD no one will ever click. Not sure why he isn't streaming or why his Twitter is privated, but he'll probably be fine once he branches out.

>>16420726
Sorry, I didn't think you were so stupid I had to add "also her own talent as a streamer because obviously no one would stay if no one liked her content". That much should be obvious. Poor job using Vtubers R Us as an example when his exposure boosted the shit out of chuubas like Chibidoki which even she agreed with. Good try though.

>>16420660
and you can do better? The faggy male vtuber already has better content than most 1views I've seen, just needs to expand more on social media

>>16420726
theres almost always more than one person to thank for a streamer's growth. no one grows alone.

>>16421288
>no one grows alone.
viewers from 4chan do not contribute to growth.

>>16421621
All viewers contribute to growth whether or not you like where they came from or who they are, the only thing that can halt your growth is your content as a streamer and the actions you take to make sure your content is viewed by others.

>>16421718
EggCh
Woyde
Elliott
Nanase
now you're going to be a good dog and reply
>m*les

>>16421621
They do to a certain extent. So long as you do not let yourself to be influenced into being a /here/ meme spouting machine, you'll be fine. Any outsider who clicks on your stream and hears you say "ogey rrat, bane?, final yab" will think "This guy's retarded or streaming for his close group of friends, I'm leaving since I don't get any of this shit."

>>16421849
No, these are streamers who haven't grown because they don't produce content people care about nor do they make sure others can find and easily consume this sub-par content.

Not sure what point you're even trying to make by even naming them.

So my takeaway from the thread today is that there's solid technical advice in /asp/, maybe even decent design feedback, but plugging yourself here isn't necessarily the greatest idea unless you just absolutely need positive validation or can't honestly self-criticize

>>16422423
That's pretty much right. /asp/ is great for technical help most of the time and repeating "Just stream. Stop worrying about it and go Live." which is true 99% of the time, but for anything else you're better off just doing your own research and finding creators similar to yourself or who you aspire to emulate to learn from. The only thing this thread needs is the Ludwig video posted as a signature to every post.

>>16422423
if you want to plug yourself, post yourself in /wvt/. It helps gets eyes on your stream if you're good enough and helps lift yourself out of the 1-2 view hellhole where more viewers on twitch can discover you. The rest is up to your reps on social media to grow.

The Youtube copyright zogbot still mutes/deletes streams even if it's private/unlisted, correct?

>>16425752
>zogbot
just give up right now

On the topic of tech issues.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/14/22383572/open-broadcaster-software-obs-nvidia-noise-removal-rtx-voice-broadcast

Should I bother with Nvidia Broadcast since it's integrated into OBS? Or does it cause issues with filter delays and stuff? Right now, I have it set as Mic - Nvidia - OBS - Output.

>>16397291
Checkout the animation Batman Beyond for reference

I'm legitimately retarded. Whats the difference between commissioning a model and commissioning rigging? Can I have someone else make my model then send it over to rigger, or do they need to make a new model from scratch themselves for it to work?

>>16428788
Model is the art.
Rigging is what makes the art move based on your face tracking.

Artist draws the model then gives the finished model to you. You give the model files to your rigger and they give you the rigged files. You take the rigged files and put it into a face tracking app like vtube studio.

Watch riggers start charging double for commercial use

>>16429493
most artists don't even charge extra. Most Live2D artists and riggers include it in the price already because they know no one is using that shit for anything other than commercial

>>16430037
>most artists don't even charge extra
where the fuck are you looking because I need to go there

So everyone is completely autistic about mobas and you have to either be a [single moba] streamer and do nothing else or never ever stream mobas right

>>16430914
Yup. You also gotta watch out for the audience they bring. Unless you know how to wrangle a bunch of third world cyka blyat pacos from peru your whole community is going to be fucking shit.

>>16431163
its funny because if I played smite like I wanted it actually would be third worlder mexicans and spaniards from peru

>>16430091
Twitter. I've looked at tons of Live2D artists and riggers just to get an idea for pricing, and just doing a fresh search right now I skimmed through 10 different ones from prices ranging to 470USD (basic, lower quality but not bad looking) to 1200USD for only the full body art, and none of them charge commercial use. That's extremely uncommon, like I said.

>>16422299
i'm one of those four and i do advertise my content in a place people would care about it
i think most of them just enjoy clipped content more than actual livestreams which is understandable. however,
>>16421718
i don't think i've actually caught the attention or more than a few /here/ viewers but i'm always happy to see them stop by in my chat when they do

>>16431566
you make it too obvious elliot. i don't even why you hang out here when you've made it clear you dont care to grow.

>>16431566
>i think most of them just enjoy clipped content more than actual livestreams
People enjoy Livestreamed content, evident by the thousands of successful streamers, but clipped content is just the only way to bring them to your stream because people are much more likely to click a 1 minute video than a 15 minute one (god forbid a 3 hour VOD) from a fresh content creator with no track record of creating good content.

Or it's just not good, and in all honesty the only person of those 4 putting out anything decent from a cursory glance is Nanase (Assuming it's Nanase Cain, not too familiar with all the /wvt/ chuubas), except all he seems to do is play MH but the potential is at least there

I WILL make 3 to 10 minute videos of cut up stream clips and you WILL watch them in their entirety

Is marketing myself as a pngtuber just filtering me out of potential viewers? As a viewer I wouldn't click on anyone that has [pngtuber] in their tags or title but I might stick around if I click a vtuber that just happens to use a png instead of a moving model. Do people actually go looking for pngtubers?

>>16432268
i can't say i have a particular reason; i've been here since /auds/ and i just like hangin around here
>>16432410
i get a good reception to my clips from the fe subreddit, but as it has been stated before, that doesn't convert to stream viewers
i could just focus on solely FE content to push that but i don't think i'd enjoy just doing that
i do plan on seeing how middle length videos do there too

>>16432529
Start with individual clips and work your way up.

>>16432635
nobody explicitly goes out looking for pngtubers and you're locking yourself out of a valid tag if you think they're any different
vtuber encompasses both moving models and pngs

>>16432635
pngtubing is your dirty secret, conduct yourself as if you aren't doing it and get a model asap

>>16432635
>Is marketing myself as a pngtuber
market yourself and your content. not your png.

I wish I could sound at least half decent, being a guy with an untrained and rarely exercised voice sucks.
At least I have am SM58 and a Scarlett 2i2 3rd gen so then I can sound terrible in 192kHz downsampled to 48kHz hahahahahahahahahahaha

>>16434678
post vocaroo of these two lines
>Where do you think this relationship is? If you are thinking of instituting an open-door urination policy, let me disabuse you of that notion right now, my friend.
>Uptight? Let's all just have a big pee party. Hey everybody, grab a bucket. We're going up to Jerry's. It's a pee party.

>>16353929
I think it would be fun. Yes, there's the big dream in my head of being picked up by a company, but I also just want to try something new for the new year. Streaming seems just like a fun hobby to pick up. I also enjoy talking about all sorts of stuff I'm just thinking about, and it's kind of hard for me to launch into a 5 minute monologue about the Burgess Shale fauna or something if I'm just playing a game with friends in voice chat.

>pokemon wilds doesn't have a tag because it's a fan game
>forcefully fit into the pokemon community tag and buried under shinyggers
Graveyard Keeper it is, I guess.

>>16439994
No one is "burying" you because no one is trying to find you. Stop trying to be discovered for a game category, that isn't sustainable.

If asymmetrical legwear is bad, then what should replace it that is actually good and visually satisfying to look at?

>>16441611
uh, symmetrical legwear? or no legwear? or no legs? no toes
its kind of a vague question

>>16441648
>no legwear
Lewd

>>16441611
>If asymmetrical legwear is bad,
It's not.

My only design hill that I will die on is the eyebag thing. It's cringy and I just hate the "lol I gots depression and I'm unhealthy guise, so relatable" shit.
The last time I complained about this in here someone replied to me with some "ummmm some people just have those??" shit and if you're reading this, I hate you

>>16441912
Other than just plain covered/uncovered leg, what are some ways that someone could make it stay fresh and not boring?

>>16441611
>>16442083

Don't focus too much on it, just pick what you like. Most people will never see it to begin with. Both can look good.

>>16442056
sometimes its not depression some people are just bad at sleeping
i don't think its gotten to the point where it's some kind of bandwagony design i mostly just see it on memes of characters that don't normally have eyebags

>>16441912
I also think it looks ugly tbqh

>>16442056
What if I DO have depression and hugely noticable eyebags in real life

>>16442318
Why would you want your avatar to also have them?

>>16441912
pretty much everyone that is into legs will agree they feel like a spit in the face
but if you don't care about leg lovers and want your appeal to be somewhere else, you can still do whatever you feel like

>>16442318
Why pick those very specific traits to transfer to your avatar?

>Graduating from neet life
I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna get something better than a 2 frame mouthflap animation

>>16442355
Because they are cute.
If you're female that is.

>>16442355
>>16442435
because when it's drawn in fiction it stops being veiny wrinkly skin sagging down under your eyeballs and becomes literal makeup to make the eyes stand out more

>>16440711
>found my favorite current indie by just so happening to search a game I like with few vtubers playing and they just happened to be in the middle of a playthrough for it

I mean, it's not like some grand key to success but people do find streamers based on game sometimes.

Stop getting so focused on the legs, pick something you like and move on. If you like asymmetrical, pick it. If you don't, then grab something else. It's not that big of a deal and will bring you approximately zero viewers so stop procrastination something that can easily change later. no one is going to see them most of the time.

>>16442560
It's not enough of a boost that it's worth changing the game you want to play over.

>>16442540
Then why not just put makeup on the avatar? I think that would look better than the "teehee I'm unhealthy" thing. I realize I might care a little too much about this and I'm probably projecting a great deal here, but it just doesn't sit well with me
>>16442490
You make a compelling argument here

>a bunch of 4chan faggots thing certain legwear is bad
>for some reason their opinion is the holy bible of design

We should bitch about sharp teeth next

>>16442697
I would but my heart just isn't in it. I like them

>>16442673
People are allowed to have preferences? Oh no.

>>16442697
You stay away from my shark teeth girls

>>16442697
Don't. I'll end you.

>>16442666
You do in fact care too much and are in fact projecting a shit ton when you cry about this and the person who actually has these features doesn't care
This is like complaining that anyone has messy hair or isn't jacked/wearing a suit and tie because "Why wouldn't you look your best though???? Arent you healthy????"

>>16442697
Sharp teeth are pretty hard to rig properly in 2D and 3D because of the implications on the mouth rig. That's why even Iron Mouse and other better riggers still don't look great. It also heavily depends on the artist and if it fits their style or they just end up looking like you've got fucked up teeth. See Pikamee vs Ironmouse,it's more of a technical thing really.

>Things I jerk off to: good design
>Things I don't jerk off to: bad design

>>16442825
Correct

>>16442723
there's a difference between
>i'm a faggot on 4chan and i dont like asymmetrical designs
and
>asymmetrical designs are bad in general
please clarify that you're a viewerfag and don't know what you're talking about first

everyone keeps saying sharp teeth are hard to rig and never says why

>>16442786
Oh no, I have opinions! Those totally aren't the same thing and you know it. You are a soft uwu depressed smol bean and I've hurt your feelings. It's okay; I've been in your shoes before

>>16442854
I don't dislike asymmetrical designs, just asymmetrical stockings. And the fact that people that like legs would feel that way seems obvious to me.
Do what you want though, I can't stop you. I don't know why you feel so offended.

>>16442888
holy yikes my guy

>>16442888
trips of cringe. underageds out.

I don't even know how to make hair look good normally much less fucking rig it

>>16442881
I've only got the word of Live2D rigging friends, but it has something to do with how you have to transform them vs just transforming no teeth or the more generic "single" tooth anime style. It's difficult to make it look good and even harder if the artist's style doesn't really accommodate that. They're not hard to do, they're just hard to make look good and they're a pain in the ass.

>>16442928
>>16442956
I will keep reading /asp/ and you can't stop me. I'm just too powerful

>>16442888
>>16442927

No one cares that you have a preference, they care that you act like your preference is the only thing that matters.

>OH PLEASE THINK OF THE LEGFAGS
who fucking cares? the only thing that will draw in viewers as far as body parts go are tits, or lacktherof. No one will see your legs 90% of the time.

>I'll draw a quick pngtuber to get started
>work on it way too long because it has to look perfect even though the full intention is to drop it asap

>>16442991
Go tomboy pixie cut and you'll never have to worry about this problem again

>>16442788
sharp teeth arent hard, get a better rigger

>>16443047
>who fucking cares?
Well you've felt the need to argue with legfags.
If you don't care then act like it.

>>16443154
please explain why
I'm not baiting you to try to call you out I'm asking because I want to use them

>>16443047
I thought conceding that I care more about this than other people might and admitting that I might be projecting would be enough to convey that I don't think my opinion is the only one that matters.

>>16443159
>who cares? Not me, and I will explain how little I care at length, for free

>>16443248
Lol, it's always funny when they do that.

>>16443289
Hey, that's not the image I chose.

Holy yikes my guy!

I'll repeat what he said, that'll show him I'm not mad

>>16443531
I didn't pretend I wasn't mad, sweaty :)

>>16443531
Take the L already, you've already shown that you care way too much.

Would commissioning music be worth in any way at all if literally nobody cares about you using existing music and probably would like the existing music more anyway

>>16443047
Leg-centric chuuba when

>>16443625
there's that one starfire-looking-ass

>>16443615
i'm usually supporting of people prepping their channel with stuff before starting but this is honestly one of the few things that i feel truly does not matter just pull something off of incompetech or dova syndrome if you really want bgm that isn't widely used or obvious

>>16443615
No, just use something free. No one will know it isn't custom anyway and it won't be playing most of stream.

>>16443625
Would a centaur be better or worse

>>16444043
this would be so fucking stupid that I'd be down
Just never say anything about you being a centaur and only show your top half so any new viewers are like wtf whenever you rarely show the bottom

centipede chuuba when

>>16444134
I'm genuinely having a laugh thinking about this. Unexplained, barely audible clopping sounds as you walk into frame at the beginning of streams for months before the reveal to stir up speculation would be funny too

>>16444173
Too sexual. Think of the bevy of asymmetrical stockings and garters. Lethal amounts of skindentation

Should pngtubers stare at the screen like a normal chuuba or look slightly to the side at the game considering the're going to be soullessly staring into your soul

>>16444173
https://twitter.com/NaiyoSpede

>>16444317
that's a dog with a bug tail stapled to the back

>>16444317
It needs unsettling amounts of anime girl legs for me to be interested, sorry

>>16443186
It's kind of hard to explain since I've never felt they were difficult. Tedious maybe, but anything related to the face is tedious, especially the mouth due to having multiple moving parts.
For shark-style teeth though, I imagine people have difficulty keeping them aligned. Keeping them aligned just means you need to have them prepared to morph both of them as one texture while closed and turning the head, and that's something you can do with the glue tool and proper planning with the wireframe. I think with seeing molars though, that's not really an issue either.

>>16444444
wasted

>>16444501
you're a wastrel you dumb cunt

>>16444501
Arguing with the digits will not score you any brownie points with the cosmos

dear diary, I still have no clue how to light and shade hair

>>16444863
post your hair and i'll try make an example

>>16444599
Digits confirm

>>16444922
Digits confirm the confimation.

>>16444444
>>16444599
>>16444922
bros?

>>16444444
DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH

>>16444968
Numerology is fun :^)